 So, when we talk about something like stages of cognitive development or stages of moral development or stages of spiritual development, we're talking about structures of mind and these develop in a predictable unfolding pattern throughout the course of someone's life. But it's important to realize that these structures of how we orient towards spirituality aren't actually the same thing as these sort of stages of realization or stages of spiritual awakening. We need to be both woke, mean that through our spiritual development we understand the plurality of existence, we understand how systems interact with each other, we understand social inequalities, etc., and we need to be awake. We need to be both woke and awake. Woke meaning that we have a capacity to understand the complexity of our current systems and awake meaning that we've come to know ourselves as this unbounded wholeness. So, you can be awoke and not wake, you can be woke but not awake and wake but not woke. We need both of those.