 Yeah, I guess we're sitting right at, let's see, we would have just passed five years. And we've come a long ways. And about this perspective, this has come a long ways. Do you remember that time that I invited myself on a road trip with you? Well, I actually forgot about that. But now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I never invited you along. You just kind of said that I told you I wanted to come with you. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, because you were invited to speak at a conference at the Bruderhof. Yeah, so random. I wonder, I still don't know to this day how they got my email, but for some reason they wanted me up at a missions conference they were doing in Farmington. New Meadow Run community, I think is what it's called. And that's like a long ways from where we lived at the time. A little bit 10 hour drive. Yeah, like in, so we were all the way down in Tennessee, southern Tennessee. And, and so I was just going up on my own. And apparently you had heard of the Bruderhof before. I wasn't familiar with them really at all. I'd read some of their books and I think I'd seen their YouTube channel, but I'd never met them or seen one of the colonies. So when I heard that you were going, I naturally wanted to come along and see for myself. Part of their ethos is physical labor. So I don't know if you got in on this, but all of the attendees to the conference were given a work to do. So they took me across the road with a group to another Bruderhof and we made cookies. So no kidding. Yeah, I actually didn't, I did not know that part of the story. Meanwhile, I was on the other side back at the main conference area and they were showing me around, giving me the full tour. And it was fascinating. And I was immediately struck by how much effort they put into communication of what they value and believe through publishing books, their magazine, Plow Magazine, and some other things. And I remember just almost right away thinking, wow, why is the, my church tradition not doing something like this? Like we have stuff to share. Why aren't we publishing more books? Why, why don't we have seminars and videos and things that are easy to find? I don't know that kind of, yeah, I got me thinking that afternoon while you were off making cookies. Yeah. Well, I also observed the same thing you did. They're at the back of the building where the conference was happening. They had a display table full of books that they were giving away for free. So I think both of us came away with substantial stack of books. Oh, they like took me into the back and said, please take one of everything. So like I had, yeah. So we did. It was, yeah, it was okay. It's high quality publications that they do. Absolutely. Yeah, this isn't cheap stuff at all. And they're pretty widely read. And that's the thing that did a really good job with what they were producing. And again, I was just like, why, why don't I see this in, well, at that time we were going to the same church, you know, fairly standard, I guess you could say a Mennonite church. Why don't we see more of this? And I think some of that was because you and I had been involved with helping produce some materials before this as well in the Mennonite genre. But digital stuff. And prior to the time that we went to the conference at the Bruderhof, I had been listening to their podcast. I forget what it was called. They discontinued it. They had a pretty high quality podcast going to have an active YouTube channel still they had going then. And so it felt like for me as an outsider with no particular connection to the Bruderhof, if I wanted to know something about them, it was pretty obvious what I needed to do to learn about it. Just go to Google, go to YouTube, search for them, and they have plenty of material there where they present themselves very well, very artfully, and with a great deal of articulation to the onlooking world. But I think what impressed me was both the quality of that, but wishing that for our tradition, the moderately conservative Anabaptist, I wish that we would have some equivalent. Something that was easy to find. Because I think an important part of this story is you and I both going to Sharon Mennonite Bible Institute. We were there together in different times. And one of the things I did there is help them produce a video series, but it wasn't released on the internet. It was released in DVD format. In the end, people saw it, but I wondered how much more reach we could have had if it had been readily accessible through a Google search or up on YouTube or had a dedicated website for it, which maybe one day they'll do that. I don't know what their plans are with that project. And just being like, oh, this is going to be hard for someone to find unless they literally call up the school and ask for it. It's going to be difficult to find this material. And that felt like that was representative of a lot of the material that Mennonites, Anabaptists were putting out at the time. And remember, this was five years ago, some of that's changed. Wasn't this right around the time we did the project with Dean Taylor as well? No, that was before. I think we did the project with Dean Taylor before. And I think that was where a lot of these things started coming together, because we filmed a conference with him based on his book. And it was released as DVD and CD format. And it sold some copies, but it wasn't like a mind blowing amount of copies. But we also released it up on YouTube. And it was totally different there. We got 10, 20,000 views on it. And it was like, well, pretty sure we didn't sell 20,000 DVD sets. Like this is, this is amazing. I don't know if people were just googling it. I don't know how they found it, because we didn't really advertise it at all. So I think all these things are kind of bouncing around in our heads when we're at the Bruderhof. Exactly. Then when we were traveling home from Pennsylvania to Tennessee, it's probably about a 10 hour road trip. We were sitting in the car together, reflecting on these things. And we were talking about what we had seen from the Bruderhof. It turned out that neither you nor I had communicated to each other about it before. But we had both had ideas in our head for how there was space on the internet for more accessible media by means of, I think podcasts is what we were thinking at the time. But the idea is a podcast on YouTube went very well together. So we began to brainstorm and plan and make ideas for what it might look like for us to be involved in a podcast or YouTube channel that made the kinds of ideas that our churches represent accessible and easily available on the internet. Do you remember the spreadsheet? I do remember the spreadsheet. That was fun. So basically, I think I was driving for most of the trip back, right? And you whipped out your tablet and said, well, let's just start putting down ideas of what we would produce if we were to do this. It was just totally brainstorming at this point, kind of more for the fun of it. But who would we interview? What topics would we try to address? Because we were like, well, pretty clearly, like, we don't know enough to do this ourselves. So we need to go and interview people instead of us having the answers, we go and ask questions and find answers from those who have invested and learned this stuff. Do you remember how many episodes we brainstormed on that trip? It was a lot. Somewhere between 80 and 100, I think. I forget exactly because we made most of the spreadsheet while we were driving, but then it evolved over time. But I think we started with about 80, maybe 200 guests and topics in mind. That's kind of a lot. Which some of the ideas were good, some of them were very bad. Yeah, I remember there was a few of that spreadsheet that never got made. So if anybody who's interested in it, about its perspectives, there's the spreadsheet buried in the archives of a bunch of ideas that definitely got scrapped. But it was fun. And I think it got our ideas kicking. And I don't know, when did we actually make the decision? Well, hey, let's just film some of these and just see what happens. Well, there was a process. We got feedback from several people on the idea before we actually began to do anything. I think Kyle Stahlsfuels got involved pretty early on as your brother-in-law. I think you probably emailed the spreadsheet to him or something, and we gave him a chance for feedback. And from the people we spoke to, it was generally favorable feedback. So we didn't begin to film right away. There was a process that involved other people encouraging it to happen. Yeah, because there was a number of months there where we didn't do that much with the idea, if I remember right. We were chipping away on the background, kind of trying to flesh it out, but weren't making stuff or producing anything. Because I was traveling a ton. Between October 2016 and February 2017, I was basically gone the entire time. So I think it kind of sat on dormit for a few months, if I remember right. But somewhere in there, we decided to go into production. I don't remember what caused that to happen. Do you remember? I don't remember exactly when we began to film the first episodes. But we've been talking about before, and I think Matt Landis was the first one. We had to sit down for an interview, right? Yeah, July. I'm not sure why we did it in the summer. See, I wish we could kind of remember what were the decisions going from idea to we're actually going to get some cameras and do this, which fortunately I had some camera gear from when I'd done some other projects. Pretty minimal, but we kind of slapstick and duct tape and made it work. And then yeah, it was just like cold emailing people, if I remember right. Just like, hey, we're trying this thing where we go around and ask people questions and get it on camera and put it on YouTube. And we had never done this before. We never posted anything. And people were gracious enough to do it. And that was in the end of July in 2017 where the very first one was with Matt Landis, which is interesting because Matt didn't know me at all. And I didn't know him at all. And I just, yeah, I just cold emailed the guys like, hey, I got your email from, I think it's probably Kyle or something at Faith Builders connected us and said, you know, you don't know me, but we're trying this thing. And would you be interested in doing an episode with us on Mennonites and technology? I was like, sure. So I came by his, it was old office and they've since rebuilt the building. And yeah, first episode, it was kind of a mess, but hey, we did it. And it's up on our YouTube channel if anybody wants to see it. But it was fun. I was like, wow, like, this is kind of neat. I could enjoy doing this. I get to ask interesting people, interesting questions, you know, what's not to love. But in that process, I think a big piece was the connections with that we had built through SMBI. Do you remember anything specific about that? Because a lot of that's kind of fuzzy. I don't remember a lot of the specifics. I know that at that point, you were doing all the filming. And for most of Anabaptist's perspective, you've done most of it, but like a process has evolved over time to where we get other people involved. But at that point, you were doing all the filming. And I was doing a lot of the ideas and development of what we wanted to talk about by means of scripts or sets of questions that we would present to the guests, which would happen in Google Docs. Then we had Kyle at that point as an advisor. And Chester Weaver was also involved pretty early on. So we would make the set of questions and have our ideas. And then we would send them to our advisors for feedback, which really did help to refine our plans. So the advisors were important early on, but also you mentioned SMBI. A lot of our first episodes were with Cliff Shrock and Elijah Yoder and I think Benjamin Good also from SMBI. So those connections you had with SMBI were pretty important to the way we were able to film some of our early episodes. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure there were some old email threads from back then where like after we filmed with them, and Cliff and Elijah and some of the teachers there said, oh, here's a list of other people you could interview. And here's like how to get a hold of them. Who we suppose contact? How do we find people's numbers? Because if you go back and look at those, what have we done like 140 something episodes now? I mean, there's a wide range of people we've interviewed. It's just kind of random because five years ago, we didn't really know any of them outside of the teachers at SMBI that you and I had been involved with kind of wild. So some of it was just cold emailing people, asking them to get involved with some of it. Was the very important connections that you had at SMBI? Because I don't know if season one would have happened the way it did or would have been much more difficult if we didn't already have connections with people we trusted who were willing to show up on our episodes. Yeah, because it's kind of like five years ago, there wasn't, I mean, at least that we know of Anabaptist, Mennonite, whatever podcasts and YouTube channels like what we had or like what we built. They just didn't really exist, at least not to the consistency that what we were in for every single week. We were putting out a new video and a new podcast. And I remember the idea just feeling kind of alien. Well, nobody's ever done that. Will anybody even be interested in being interviewed? I was pretty sure people just say, no, we don't know. This doesn't seem worth my time. I think we didn't have anybody say no to an interview in the first few years. I'm not sure sure on that. But most people will say, oh, we'll give it a try. We'll see. Since then, plenty of people have declined requests for interviews. But early on, we had an incredible amount of support and cooperation, even though we didn't know what we were doing at that point. Yeah, they do. We didn't know what we were doing. And that is the before. But there was a lot of willingness to get involved and to help. Which is pretty neat. So to all those people who were on early episodes, I guess we owe them a thank you card or something for being willing to give it a try, and being good sports. Because it could have flopped. It could have been a disaster. The whole thing could have just crashed and burned. But fortunately, it didn't, of course. Yeah, around that same time, I went to Faith Boulders shortly after I had interviewed Matt Landis because I have family out there. And so my brother-in-law interviewed him. He's a teacher there. And a few other people, a few other faculty, he had helped line up. And it was around summer term, I think, or something like that. Because Chester Weaver had been there teaching. And Kyle, my brother-in-law, says, hey, you should meet this guy. And now my wife, Trish, was with me and said, oh, yeah, I had one of his classes way back in the day at a Bible school or something. And so she kind of ish knew him. And we were like packed up, walking out at the end of the day after filming some people. It was late. I was so tired of traveling like crazy. And she sees him in the hall as he's like walking out. And she quick flags him. And I got to tell you, I did not want to meet him at that point. I did not want to meet any more new people. We had just interviewed however many people. And I was tired and we'd been traveling like for two weeks straight or something. So he comes over and was very energetic and interested. And so, well, you know, wanted to hear about it. So I told him what we were trying to do with ambass respect is and he was immediately on board. And Chester has been on board ever since we've interviewed him a number of times. He's now a board member, quite involved in a number of ways. And he said, I'm going to fly you to Texas and have you meet some people out here. And maybe some people to interview and see if we can get funding for this thing. Because you can't do it for free because it's like cameras aren't free my time. All these you know, you have to live somehow at this point, I didn't really have a job. So he flew me out to Texas and we met some people. That's where we met Patrick Matthews for the first time. So he's been on the show a couple of times in here recently. He helped us raise a bunch of money to upgrade our gear finally because we were using very old and extremely outbate gear or we just lacking critical gear. And so he helped us get that and has been a big part of the process. Anyway, and while we were out there, Chester took me to meet someone from that community and pitched the idea to this person. And, and they were very interested and say, okay, how much do you need? And I had a proposal written up here how much money will take to get this thing off the ground. He said, okay, and they thought about it for a day. And the day before I left, they handed me a check for the full amount. And that was the moment, I think, where it kind of went click and said, okay, this isn't just an idea. Someone's put a lot of money into this, like it wasn't a small check. They put a lot of money into this, and they believe that they think it's worth at least trying. And that was actually kind of scary at that moment in time. Scary and humbling, but also very affirming. Yeah, it was the ambition to continue. And we did. I don't, I can't even remember when it was, I was in Texas, but sometime in that year 2017. Yeah, it was before we published anything. So it was early on when we were still filming and collecting episodes for the first season. You know, I didn't even have, now that I think about it, I didn't even have like a sample to show this guy of what we were trying to do. Like, it didn't exist yet. You know, oh my, that's, that's kind of wild. So that was most of 2017. Let's see, I'm trying to think, was there anything else that happened in that year? Yeah, that was the summer that the Solar Eclipse happened, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, so we had pulled together somewhat of a team. We had a couple of advisors from other places. We had pulled in Brandon Nisley as a video editor and Myron E.B. was involved, someone at that point. Forget the extent to which either of them were involved. I guess both of them were doing some editing work and the Solar Eclipse was centered right over Tennessee where we were living. For that event, several of the people who were involved from other places traveled and we all got together. So that was the first time I had met Brandon, the first time I met Myron. That was the first time you met some of them too, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Krista and Elliot came down for it. Who else? Ryan was here. Like, there's a number of those people that helped and those early, yeah, wow, that was fun. Before that, Myron was just a Twitter connection. Yeah, I met Myron on Twitter, which is kind of awesome and kind of funny to think about in retrospect because it was like, who is this guy? But he was like the only other men at night that I knew of that was making YouTube videos at the time because I was making some YouTube videos of like my travels and stuff. I was like, wow, I'm not the only weirdo like this is there's other people doing this, you know, because they felt kind of strange because they didn't know anybody else. Anyway, that was fun. That was a great connection. This is an important time for connecting. But also, do you remember that intro or about us video that we tried to do that week? Yeah, that was a terrible disaster. I don't even remember. Did we have it outlined or I think we just kind of like made it up. It was outlined. Was it? Yeah. He's like sat down and tried to do that. Like it was supposed to be the opening up like video to launch the project. Yeah. And for some, you know, I don't know, we just failed. Like, I had never been behind a camera before. So I was really bad at being in that situation. We're also bright red and sunburned from. Oh, yes, from a soy. We were sitting outside all day looking at the sun. So we were so burned. It was a disaster. I forgot about that. Yes, it was a disaster. And that's kind of a point to be made that we did try a variety of things. And when this thing was starting, that totally flopped. You know, there was an early episode I had filmed that never got released, you know, because it just it just for various reasons just didn't work out. Like the guest wasn't as comfortable with it. And I didn't really like how it turned out. And we're like, you know what? Let's just scrap it. There was other little side projects we tried to just failed. And so yeah, that video is supposed to be like the here's what this project is video never made it past the editing room. And so then it comes time to actually we've collected enough content. Let's start releasing every week. But we didn't have a synopsis video that says here's what this project is. So what did we do instead? Which I think was kind of weird, but we did nothing. We just went straight into publishing the first episode without comment. Yeah, we literally like, upload. Here it is. Everybody episode one. And we never really explained what the project was or like, we're trying to do. Which was very nerve wracking. And I remember it was at your house. And we have footage of this somewhere. That was a lunch party. Yes. And we had pizza. Yes, we did have pizza that day. January 2018. So right at three years ago, because we're filming this very end of 2021. Yeah, that was kind of weird, because we just like randomly created a YouTube channel and started putting stuff on it. And we're like, well, anybody watch. And after we published that first video, there was immediate response. But I don't think we should take credit for that because we ourselves can do a lot of publicity. No, we didn't. I had never made a podcast before. I didn't know anything about how podcasts work or assist feeds or any of that. So I was experimenting with SoundCloud. And we happened to publish our first podcast episode. I think it was several days before our official launch day. That's a little bit fine. Theoretically, nobody would know to look forward. We'll come across it before the official launch. But your sister, Rachel, from Doctors of Promise magazine, shared the podcast. I don't know how she found it, but somehow she found it. And she shared it on Facebook. And Rachel Stella, who was a journalist with Mennonite World Review at the time, saw it. And she reached out to us and asked for an interview. So you and me, Samantha, Tren Camp, Ryan Tren Camp, we got a phone call with her and she asked us a few questions that she published about us at Mennonite World Review. So automatically, without us even trying, we had people who knew about us. And I suppose the circulation of that publication is pretty broad, I guess. Because they published that article within a week, I'm going to say, of when we hit upload on that first video. And the funny thing is, I got a paper copy of the Mennonite World Review then afterwards. Like it's like a newspaper. And we're on the front page. Now, it's below the fold, to be fair. But it's still on the front page. And in my mind was just like, what? I was thinking to be this little blurb about that big on like page 42 or something. Nope, right there on the front page. Giving our names. And here's what you're trying to do. Because she had interviewed us and stuff. And that kind of that really surprised me. And they posted it to their Facebook, different ones on Twitter, picked it up and things. And here we are. And I mean, the response, I think, was pretty much immediate. Yeah, we had the audience ready and waiting. Which is pretty wild. Oh, yeah. I forgot about this. But Anne of Aptis Voice Magazine also had a blurb about us. Oh, I did that. Yeah. I remember that. I did. It just showed up one day. I guess I may have found what we were doing interesting. So Menow World Review January 12 says many conservative Mennonites who have long been cautious about communication technologies are increasingly using the internet to connect with people who are interested in conservative and abaptist belief. That's like the description. And then the title of the article is Podcasters Fill a Quote Void on conservative and abaptism. Menowworld.com. And right here it is is the article. Anyway, that just kind of was like what seeing this online. And yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty wild. Yeah. So for me, that added some weight to what we're doing just because of the sheer visibility. Like it was still felt experimental at this point. But instantly, and somewhere or another, a lot of people were taking us seriously apparently. Well, yeah, the subscriber count on YouTube, we never promoted our YouTube channel at really at any point. But you can just see the subscriber count just doing this. I wonder if that would be the same today in the current environment. Because at that point, it really did feel like a void. There were not many people at all doing anything like this. But in the past few years, since that happened, many more have gotten into the same space. So with us being the first, I wonder if there was a lot more attention because in some ways we were kind of trailblazing, representing and reaching out to our particular demographic. It's a really good question. It was an interesting situation to be in with us being some of the first. But at the same time, there have been others that have come after like, we think of like Daniel Willis, we've interviewed him a number of times and he started putting stuff up on YouTube. Soundfaith. Yeah, Soundfaith YouTube channel. And he's doing it very well. So the space isn't crowded for sure. Definitely space for more. Yeah, like there's a lot of room to keep pushing this kind of material. But I think it got it got things started and then more people start putting stuff out and then that just gets out to even more people and it just kind of grows and grows and grows. Instead of it being shares of a pie, it's like the pie just keeps growing. There's been a number of different podcasts that have started up since and that's been really neat to see. I'm pretty sure we're not the ones who inspired any of them to start necessarily, but maybe they maybe maybe it sparked interest or sparked an idea and we'd love to see more, you know, really like there's so much out there. So what exactly were we trying to do? Because I know like our policy and organizational structure at that point wasn't very well defined, but we had some sort of a vision statement on that point. Yeah, well, we didn't have a board initially, which is kind of a problem and has since changed. Good, good, good thing too, I suppose. Do you remember how we even made this? I think you and I sat down and just wrote it out one day, but dug it out of the archives. This is a this was the initial thing that we said. I guess we called it a purpose statement kind of kept it a bit broad. It's it's fairly ambiguous at some points, but this is the initial thing that we wrote. In response to the void of media that is representative of conservative and moderately conservative anti-baptist thought and lifestyle, we propose to number one, describe and defend biblical elements of contemporary and Baptist lifestyle. Number two, describe and defend anti-baptist theology. And then we went on to say in response to the void of knowledge and interest in social issues of the surrounding culture among conservative and moderately conservative anti-baptist people, we propose to number one, promote biblical discussions among anti-baptist people about social and cultural issues. Number two, provide non-anti-baptist people with ways to think about social and cultural issues that differ from the dominant media and news sources. This will be done by creating a video series for online format to be published on YouTube, Facebook, etc., thereby making it free and easily accessible for all. And I think initially the thought was we want to do this for our own people, like people within the anti-baptist world and just make it super easy for anybody to find. But what surprised me, it still surprises me actually, is how many, just like it would be fascinating to know precise numbers, which we can't find because analytics aren't this good. But how many people are consuming our content that are not anti-baptist or Mennonite or that stripe of Christianity at all. But they've seen something here that's really interesting, like, hey, I want to know more. And so they're either, I don't know, googling it or stumble on it because the YouTube algorithm puts this up or something. It's just been amazing how the variety of people have contacted us, which really wasn't a major focus, though it is in here. But it's just kind of something that just happened. Just because of our audience by necessity, we've had to adjust a bit of the way we think about who we're reaching out to because, like, YouTube and podcasts is for everybody. And so you can't perfectly pick who your audience will be. It's very, very rough and it's difficult to know for sure. Like you said, analytics don't tell us what church affiliation a person has. But I think it's about 50-50. Half the people are in the churches we represent on our podcast and about half the people are from other places. Any idea how those people find it? Is it just they're interested in this and they search it and here we are? It's really, really hard to tell. It would be really interesting for people listening to the podcast to message us or email or something and say, here's how I found you, because anytime I meet someone who said, I've listened to your podcast, it's amazing the different ways people have come across this stuff. And it's been really neat because we've gotten a lot of feedback, people that it's helped and helped them think about the world in new ways. And yeah, that's really encouraging because originally the thought had been, let's make a podcast. Oh, well, while we're making a podcast, let's go ahead and set up cameras and hit record so we can put it out on YouTube. And that was like the extent of what we had in mind. We're like, we'll keep them short, put them out of your beak. Since then, it's kind of diversified a little bit. We started with a blog, which at first was basically transcripts of the videos. That's grown into something much different from where it started. Yeah, that's true. And that's been exciting turning, well, first off a branding shift, now it's called Essays for King Jesus. And so then they're making like high quality essays, not just not like your typical blogs, which tend to be kind of shortened, we're trying to go a little deeper. So that's a substantive content. That's a yes, that's a good way of saying it. And then more recently, taking those essays and narrating them as their own podcast stream. So Essays for King Jesus isn't just a section on our website now, it's its own podcast, which I think is kind of neat. Yeah, I think most people or many people know us for what we now call the main channel, the main YouTube channel and podcast outlets. But there's Essays for King Jesus is alive and well on both podcast and blog. That's been amazing to see that grow. Yeah. And then the whole other podcast stream that is for the Partners program and also on our Patreon page as well, that one's been really fun because that one's basically not exclusively, but generally is the listeners submitting questions or comments that we get on videos. And then we take a whole podcast episode. It's usually just you, me, a few others. And occasionally we've had other guests on. There's about, I think 80 people by now, right? Who are in our partner program, we're on Patreon, supporting us financially. And which makes a big difference because though we're not exactly a for-profit company. Definitely not. We rely on generosity. Yeah, it's the money. Yeah, it's trying to sustain this financially. It's quite hard because we're giving everything away for free. We're not selling anything at all. The more it's shared, the more people who see it for free, the better is how we look at it. But the problem is you have to pay for the production costs somehow. It's an honor. And it's a humbling to have so many people supporting us. Like you mentioned, when you went to Texas, the individual gave a substantial donation that helped us get off the ground. That was very humbling and affirming. But now, every month, every month, about 80 people have partnered with us to support us financially. And that's an honor and continuing to support us. Yeah, very humbling. And it also gives a sense that it's also helpful in the sense that gives us the reassurance or something that we're on the right track in that it's helping people and people believe in it enough that they want to see it continue. That's the part that has been kind of neat to see. Because some days you're like, well, is this actually helping anybody? Is this worth it? It's been a number of years. We've come a long way since cruising down the interstate in my beat-up old Buick Century car. A lot has changed. But there's a lot of things that have also stayed the same. With everything we've said, what is it that keeps you still involved with this? Why do you still believe in what we're doing? Well, I still believe in Anabaptist perspectives because I still believe in the Anabaptist movement. I have enthusiasm about it since I find myself here. It's not that I want everybody to be Anabaptist, but this is where God has put me. And I think it's worth talking about the way that our tradition, people within our tradition, have chosen to represent the kingdom of God and to live it out. Since there's an opportunity to represent this on accessible media like YouTube and podcasts or a blog, I'm enthusiastic to be a part of that and help make that happen. I think it's kind of pretty much the same for me as well. I think the part that's been really interesting is meeting our viewers in person. That has been a lot of fun. You know, people like, oh, I recognize you from, you know, I've seen, you know, I'll go to like a church or something. And they say, I've seen some of your stuff on YouTube. Thank you. This has helped me think about the world in new ways. You know, you brought more light into something because you interviewed someone who, whatever, that has been really neat to see. And if it helps a few people, let's keep doing it. You know, I'm sure some things have shifted and changed. We're clearly not the most qualified in the world to do this. You know, our gear, at least when we started was terrible. The quality wasn't great. We didn't have the experience, but there's still a piece there that has shown us time and again, that this is worth doing. You know, you respond to a lot of the audience comments and emails. And I think you get quite a few from all over the world, you know, of people who have found this and said, hey, this was helpful, keep doing it. So I think we will, I don't think we're going anywhere. You know, I think this is, this is something that's worth doing. It's a lot of work, but it's helping, you know, at least from what, from the feedback we're receiving and from the amount of people that are engaging with the material. Yeah, it's, it's helping people and it's getting good information out there to people who may not have seen it otherwise. And that, that's something to get excited about.