 Do you know who I am? You might need a theme song for your shit, jump us out. I'm turning right. Why shit, see Ben? Jackthriller.com. We creep Ben. Snoop Dogg to the left. Jackthriller to the right. Jackthriller.com. Do it all night. Hit the website. Hit us up real quick. If you're trying to get hooked up with a bad super bitch. Yo T-Rex, what's up with you, man? How you feeling, bro? Man, I'm feeling the same. Five of these, uh, the co-hosts for today. My co-pilots. And whatnot, man. After I do that, you know, you got to give them they flowers. You know, you got to give it up to them. All right, so, you know, I got to give up to my cousin first. My blood cousin, man. Uh, the godfather of the crank movement. Y'all give it up for a little Playboy. What up, what up, what up? Oh, I got my homegirl in here, man. One thing about it. Podcast, uh, Money Talks. Uh, my other homegirl, she in the house and whatnot. Got her own radio station, TKO Radio. Y'all give it up for Chelsea Speaks. And you know what? I met these two really cool girls last night, man. Over at, uh, Ugly Money Meets You, the trigger alert show. And, um, you know, one of them, uh, she got a little bitty, little bitty, uh, booty. Big titties. And one of them got small titties and a big booty. And whatnot. They sisters. Wherever she go, she go. And whatnot. Uh, what's your name, young lady? Kate Man. Kate Man. Kate? Yeah. Last night I was calling a Caitlyn thinner. Hey, what's your sister name? I go by Ashtagas. Ashtagas. And Ashtagas is a rapper. She a rapper. And you know, we got another rapper on here today. And whatnot. This is one of my player partners, one of the King's Crunk and whatnot. We go back to about 20 years ago. You know what I'm saying? My favorite Atlanta. This is where Atlanta was. Atlanta, back in some Freak Nick shit going on before all the snap movements and all that other shit, man. He hails from, I just heard, Tauberton, Georgia. I didn't know that shit was even existed. I thought he'd make it up at first. They say the, what they say it is? The population. Like less than a thousand. Less than a thousand. Real small. Real small. Okay. Y'all give it up for Bo Hagen. Yeah. Who am I? I'm Bo Hagen. Do you know who I am? Who am I? Yo. Come on, Bo Hagen. I just want to say, man, thanks for having me here. I'm happy to be here, man. Bruh. With my long lost big homie. You know what I'm saying? Bruh. Bruh. Let me tell you something. I listen to you every day in the gym on treadmill. Every day. I listen to Bo Hagen. Get them calories out. You got to get your calories out, bruh. Come on, man. Crunk calories. Crunk for calories. Come on, baby. What you been up to, man? Hey, man. You know, just, just life. You know what I'm saying? Just life, man. You know, I still do my shows. I see you online. But you know, I'm just trying to evolve. You know, you can't be a 60-year-old rapper just jumping around on stages. So I go, I go do my shows. And then I go, you know, I, you know, I mess around in transportation industry. Be my lady. Got a turnkey business. You got your lady. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get them apartments right for you. You know what I'm saying? So that's like my side hustle. Goddamn. So you know what I'm saying? You got to. You invested right. Yeah, man. You got to have money coming in from five different ways. Okay. At least. You sound like Chelsea. Hello. At least. I can dig it. I can dig Chelsea. Go ahead and get in there. Listen, so you have had a lot of success, but most of your success started around the age of 27. With, when you had, uh-huh, and it sold over 500,000 units. Numbers that we do not see at all anymore. How was that feeling for you to be at such a young age and experience such a great amount of success? It's a blessing and a curse because it's like, it's, it's, um, it happens so early. So you, you expect things to be in that same realm, but like with the music industry, it's here to miss. You might shake them dice, roll them the first time, you know, you might crap out. That's the number. You know what I'm saying? So, but once you hit, you got to learn to get up from the table or take it, take your winnings and put them to the side and then go play, go sit at another table. You know what I'm saying? So, um, but it was a blessing. Yeah. Blessing. Because I met John and like, I met John at 18. Yeah. You were young. You know what I'm saying? And then the success came like five, six, seven, eight years later. You know what I'm saying? So you don't never know when it's going to happen, but when it's when it happens, you just got to be ready for it. What is it that kept you locked in with little John? Cause a lot of these artists nowadays, they don't believe in putting in the hard work. They want that microwave success. What is it that kept you, your hands to the plow through all that? Just the process, you know what I'm saying? Just knowing that like where I'm from, you know what I'm saying? Jack said it best like where I'm from. It's a small town, about a thousand people. So here I am plugged in in a city with one of the biggest movements. So it's like, you know, I wanted to stay, I wanted to stay in that situation. But at the same time, you know, I had talent that could let me go, move around and do my own thing. But I was like, let's see what this, you know, this little John ship, let's see where we can get it to go. You know, it took off and sometimes I'd be sitting up there and looking at the ship with everybody else, you know, but you know, it's a blessing. And I'm proud of my happy form. Do you think that coming from such a small town really like pushed you to be like, No, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Like I want to be big. Like I'm not doing this shit with y'all. Yeah, yeah. They say, um, they say in a small town, you got two types of people. They say you got the people who stay there and never leave. Then you got the people who leave and never come back. So it's like, you know, I was kind of like a mixture of that. You know what I'm saying? I represented my town. But at the same time, I knew it wasn't an opportunity there in South Georgia. Yeah. As far as music, you know what I'm saying? Do you know any other artists that do music out of the area? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We actually shot them country ass. But you know, but no, no, no, no. You're the first artist I know from there, but you're the first person I know from them, period. It's ironic though. He goes off the game? It's ironic though, because in my little small town, we've had three artists that had nationwide exposure. The first one, and he's the one that kind of inspired me to rap. His name's KB. KB, you know him with Calhoun. He was signed to Rappelife. Okay. He had the song with Devin the dude. No use in a saving these, let's show them what they wasn't made for. Now you tell us. You know, that was, so he's like OG, you know what I'm saying? So it's him, and then we had a- Hold on, do that shit again. No use in saving these, let's show them what they wasn't made for. That was the song that KB and Devin had. I love it. But KB is like, he's my OG, you know what I'm saying? So he was an inspiration for me. And then I came along, and then after me, it was a little chick called Lady that- Lady? Yeah, that plies, brother, Big Gates. Yeah, Big Gates, okay. So she had some song called Yankee and something. But yeah, in our little small town, you know what I'm saying? She came from out of there? Yeah, yeah, she from out town. Later. So yeah, we don't have, you know, it's a small little black town. It's like we got the same shit that go on in like urban neighborhood. It's like, it's just rural. You know what I'm saying? It's just a small concentration of hood shit. It's like gang violence in a good town. Yeah, yeah, they drilling. Drill music has taken over the world. So they spending down in my little area too. You know, I got a question. I've seen a lot of people in the industry. How do you stay looking so good? Because, you know, the music industry can wear and tear on your body and your spirit. So what's been your secret ingredient in just being able to sustain in the industry? You gotta detach. I don't take this shit serious. Wow. Wow, that's heavy. I don't take myself serious. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I can laugh at myself. I can let, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people. They get caught up in the crowd, like the crowd. Once the crowd stop clapping for you, they go crazy. You know what I'm saying? But before I left, I played football. Really? So like, I was running back part return. Okay. He got a return. So at 10, 11, you know, I already heard the crowd scream. So when the crowd screams with music, it didn't affect me like that. But if that's your first time that the crowd screams to you, when you on stage, oh boy, you on stage. You on stage. Come in the back, you on stage. Tell on whoever just to keep that going. Just to get that high again. You know what I'm saying? And that's what drives a lot of them people. I feel like that's the culture right now. Like, I think like rappers nowadays, the famous, so short-lived for them, they don't invest their money, right? They all lend. They doing it. I feel like rappers back in the day, it was like their job and they loved it. Like it was their passion. But like you said, like you were like detached from it, you know, rappers now, like they live in it or like they want to live it. They want to do the drugs. They want to, and I'm just like, how are you going to keep going with this? Like, it'll make no sense. In 2008, you did an interview and you called the music industry an assembly line. Yeah. Yeah. Because it changed like when I started in the industry versus what the industry turned into, versus what it turned into while I was actually, you know, knee-deep in it. It started to get to the part that were, okay, who the hottest producer? You put him with the hottest producer. Who sang the hooks? Get them to sing the hook. So it'd be a different rapper, but they got the same formula. But everybody did. You know, that's like she model four. You know what I'm saying? Sounded all the same. Exactly. But you know, whatever works for him, but I love music. And even with the style too, right? And the clothing. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because we got a whole little thing over here. We call school clothes. Wow. Wow. Boy, hey, and if you don't mind, let me show you how that go real quick. Playboy, show them your school clothes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Show them your school clothes real quick. Full time. Oh. Yo, this something light, man. I got on these shenanigans. If you don't know about that, that's Chanel. Chanel sneakers. We call them the shenanigans. I got on these vintage, seven jeans. I got this, the Beatles t-shirt. You know what I'm saying? You know, a whole lot of ice. Just some ice and shit. You know what I mean? So, hey, that's how we doing it today. Something really cool. But still, it holds its weight. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Hey, uh, Chesley, can you show me your school clothes? Oh, sure. Hey, y'all. One of my black clothing brands. So, the skirt is from Shop 119. Top is from H&M. My brand is Women Are Dope. And y'all know the sneakers they don't go. Okay, let me get them. Yeah, sure. That looks good. Okay. Let's see. Sneakers are, you know, a real comfortable new balance. I got these jeans from Pretty Little Thing. The top I actually got from, um, I was at Five Dogs album release party, his posthumous album. I met his family real nice. Like, it was, it was real crazy. So, this t-shirt was for free. I got it at his album release party. And then this jacket, I think like, I want to say like Forever 21, I think. That's it. Show them your school clothes. Hey, man. Hey. Yeah. Leap eyes, you know what I'm saying? Casual? Just move around. Thank you. Thank you the most. Hey. Hey. Uh, uh. Caitlin Bennett. Show them your little clothes. You don't know? So, Bo Hagen, I wanted to ask you, um, you know, you started off with like the, uh, the bass going into the crump and then even in the snap. That's a couple of generations, man. And a lot of eras that a lot of artists ain't able to do. Yeah. What made you or what helped you be able to maintain and go through each one of those eras? Well, it's like the bass, um, era, that was how I had to get in the game. Cause he's like, um, see like a lot of people, they think I kind of started with John, but I actually, um, I was more, um, I started with some left-eyed producers. Get out of here. So, um, left-eyed had a producer named Michael Anthony. He was producing for black. So, um, you know, dealing with him introduced me to another one of left-eyed producers. Uh, that was from South Georgia. So he and I linked up, you know, real hard. He's the one that introduced me to John. John was a A&R at S.O.D. So they was doing the bass all stars at him. So when he heard me say, like a rapper in Martin Luther King. So, I was like, I don't hear, but hey, that's what it is. Let's go with it. And, um, so he wanted to put me on the album. Um, but I had to do like a regular, uh, rap and then he took it and put a booty-shaped beat to it. So Luke Skywalker had a producer that I did. I did a regular, um, song. They took the beat off the song and then he put one of those Miami bass beats. You know, Miami bass is 50% faster than Atlanta bass music. Atlanta bass music, it's going fast, but Miami bass music like 200 BPMs. But, you know what I'm saying? Like she said, the album went gold. You know, I bought me a Cadillac offer. You know, so. You got some of the fucking sticks on the little John albums and whatnot. Yeah, man. When was that up there? When, where the nigga kept on God damn, you was trying to get rid of him. He's trying to get out to get out the phone. Yeah. Trying to get out the phone with the nigga and he just won't go. He just got one more thing. One more thing. And one more thing. And what's that shit you said? Yeah. Yeah, man. Get out the phone. Like, hey man. What he said, there's been a phone call from me. I'll hit you back tomorrow sometime. But yeah, man. And like that skit, like, believe it or not, like, and that's something that I look back, you know, over time, I feel like that skit, it planted a seed. You know what I'm saying? Because in the south, we weren't really doing skits. No, no, not really. And, and like that, that skit, it was an audio skit though. And like to look now and just see all of them, they do the visual skits and to see where that shit gone by just, I sit back like a proud uncle. You know what I'm saying? Because I knew that I had something to digest. You know, they success, they success. But I had a little, I sprinkled a little drop of the seed or something that led to that shit. You know what I'm saying? So, so that's a blessing in itself. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they call you the country ghetto poet. So one of the things about your platform, you've always felt like the streets needed narrative. Why did you, what was that happened? And maybe you're, you're upbringing that caused you to be like, you know what? Somebody needs to talk for the street. Because I felt like, I felt like music is a soundtrack for life. And like right now, it's only like a soundtrack for the weekend. And it's like nobody talking about Monday on your way to work. How you feeling? You know what I'm saying? After church Sunday, you know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody making the music for the other days of the week. It's just within a ball and a turn up. Trap open. You know what I'm saying? Well, what you do after you done took a loss in trap? You know what I'm saying? And it's like, we got to have music for all of the moments in life. You know what I'm saying? And we just making one type of music. That's true. Speaking on us are, speaking on writing music, a lot of people didn't know that you wrote The Hook Damn for Young Blood. If you don't give a damn, we don't give a fuck. Get out of here. It was a lot carrying behind me. That's an every day. That's one of those every day. That's not no weekend. That's an everyday mentality. So I see exactly what you're saying when you said that. Where were you coming from when you said that this was the actual situation came out of it? Something happened, didn't it? It was a lot behind that hook. We don't give a damn. We don't give a fuck. So we on the same level. Yeah, if you don't give a damn, and I don't give a fuck, we kind of like equally, equally yoked. Anything happen? Yeah, it can go either way. You know what I mean? Word. But yeah, I mean like, you know, that song, it went number one. Like if you ever see it, it'll say, it'll have me on there as a writer. Like it won't say featuring Bo Hagan. And like that's kind of like where the money we had. No, no. I get paid off of it. I wanted the credit. I wanted the credit more than the goddamn money. Because I could have took the credit and made more money. They were just like, no, get your 10%. Like hush money. We ain't going to put you on there. That's your voice on the hook? Yeah, that's me. Because what it was, I was supposed to lay the scratch. I was supposed to come back and lay his voice over the hook. Alright. So that's how I left the studio. So, uh, Mil Fitz. Y'all know Mil Fitz? He was the nigga that you sent to the store to get the CD, to get the cigarettes or the Cigarello. He was the one. I didn't say that. Pretty much. Pretty much. Melissa, listen to me though. Shut up, Mil Fitz though. Mil Fitz came up from that shit because he was the one took the song back to the label like, look, we got a hit. So being a fact, they call that a tastemaker. So whenever you the first one take it back to the label and say, look, we got a hit, did something. And then that shit actually become a hit. That's how he got his deal. That led to the Huey, like a helicopter, the Camershare, all that shit came up that song off the cloud that he got because he took that song back to the label. Even some cheesy shit. Niggas didn't, like, he was like that bridge for a lot of down south artists and everything to get their deal. So yeah, like that hook, it was a lot that came behind that hook. Wait, what happened, like you left the studio and then, like, what happened? Like, you get this little gray area right there. That's my brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, me and Sean Paul got to fight behind it and we got out in the yard and formed a circle and got out there and hooked and everything because because they had me thinking leading up to the video. Yeah, I ain't gonna throw bro on the bus. I mean, I will say, we'll just say, you know, we'll just say, he didn't win. Yeah, you would just say that. You know what I'm saying? Sean Paul, that's my beauty. You know what I'm saying? But it was one of those situations where they was telling me that you better say your hook. Once I heard it and I heard it on the radio I'm like, damn, that's still me on there. So I called, like, bro, y'all didn't take me off the hook. He was like, no, we're gonna, your voice sound better on that. So we're gonna just leave it like that. So that's when I was like, yeah, y'all gonna let me say my hook in the video. Yeah. Leading up to the video, like, let's just say the video next week. So I called, hey, bro, like, y'all still gonna let me say my part in the video, but I had been around video shoots. So I knew that someone was supposed to call you, get your clothes. Your call sheet, yeah. And nobody called me. So I called nigga, like, the two days before, hey, bro, y'all gonna still let me, um, yeah, yeah. So get to the day of the video shoot. I just went to the mall. That's when the new Vic, the new Farrakhan jersey, I bought the new J, the big jersey. I was like, boy, nigga ain't gonna better say nothing. I'm already friends. Don't need no up. Get to the video shoot and, so we doing a couple shots. They got me up there saying, and then all of a sudden a little intern come and say, uh, yeah, JD say, um, he don't want nobody out here but, uh, little John and, and the east side boys and the young boys. So I look, I'm the only one that, hey. Oh my God. Wow. He could just say, hey, he don't want you on stage. But I had to go to him and say, what did you just say? JD dissed you, bro. I had, I had done, got money with JD. You gotta thank him. I came from so, so there. Yeah. JD. JD. Come on. We need answers. Come on, bro. But this ain't to throw JD on. JD might have had some shit going. Yeah. JD. We got to talk to my boy. He's about the third time. Fuck shit. I'm just playing JD. I still need you to come to the show. But yeah. So, um, but yeah, you know, so, so once he did that, I got in my feelings. I love, I call my love cause you got to thank. The song is number one in Atlanta on the radio at this point. They ain't, we ain't did the paperwork or shit. You know what I'm saying? The money going somewhere but I ain't. And you ain't gonna let me say my part in the video. So I left I'm gonna call my love. Look, I charge them extra. Just tell them I won't just give me 30,000. Like I just, you know what I'm saying? So, about a week passed. So then I get the call. Oh, Chris, you said you got that. We're going to beat you up. We're going to do this. Okay, bro. So then that's your pause. Oh, man, we're gonna like, bro, I'm right round the car. Y'all know where I'm at. J-Bow. Come on, bro. So at this point, you know, I done been threatened. So it's like, so I'm just standing, I'm standing in the window with the scrap with two clips. I wouldn't even sit down. Okay. They gonna threaten me. So, um, through the course of it, because I started out with added crew. So like they, we are a family. But it just at that point, you know, we had to get some training. So, um, Sean Paul, big cousin, pretty keen. He mysteriously come through. I guess Trey had told him what going on. So it was just like, yeah, man. We just fight. Yeah. He was like, man, y'all just fight. And I put my scrap up. So I hear I hide my scrap downstairs. I'll, you know, probably about 15, 20 minutes later, they pull up two cars deep. I'll come out the shirt. We out there. First thing is need to do pull out his strap. Oh my God. Your cousin taught me to put my scrap up. Wow. And you pull out yours. So we, you know, we toss them. They get the strap from them. But you know, I don't want you to tell the details of the fight, but just say, you know, I only lost probably about one or two fights in my career. And that was the first to. So, listen, you know, we'll just keep it like that. But, you know, it's love. It's fame. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's love. No. You know what I'm saying? It ain't no hard feelings or no shit. I have to tell my truth. You know what I'm saying? It's elections, bro. I got my truth cut through your truth. Hey. How common is that? How common is that that happens? Like somebody single hook, don't get the credit. Like they ain't get their money. Like is that that common that that happens in the music industry? Yeah. They'll switch and work for hire. They'll switch and say, look, they just paid you to do the hook. People who come through and like play instruments. They'll get them on some work for hardship. We just paid you a thousand dollars just to play that little tune. And now we own that tune. So it's just all about having your paperwork and taking care of your business. And you had your work. Yeah. Well, I had them in a spot because they had released the song. The song was doing numbers and they hadn't did the paperwork. I just said, hey, give me whatever. Yeah. And you got to make it work. You know what I'm saying? Because you want to catch up with the song. You did me. So it's like that happens a lot. You know what I'm saying? It's a cold guy. That's how that young jock song was going down. Yeah. You got your own hair on coming out. No, I don't have my own hair on. Why was I leaving it? Hair on. It's kind of like already copyright. For God. God made the puppet play. But I'm working on a series called Heroine Wars over in Birmingham with my partner Quest and Rear Records. It's six episodes. It should be dropping in the next couple of weeks. So y'all check that out. Look out for me now. What was the inspiration? I just wanted to evolve. I just want to like I said, you can't do music forever. You know what I'm saying? And at some point, you got to get out of the kids way. You know what I'm saying? And you have to figure out how can I still be in this game but not just be sitting in the kids way. You know what I'm saying? You see a lot of live shows and live bands you know what I'm saying? Or they start acting. If I act, I can still do music occasionally. You know? It's like a part-time, hobby type thing. Weren't you signed to Bad Boy at one point? I wasn't. That's a sign of time. I wanted to sign to them. I was you know, I had done some work with So So Del, Warner Brothers so we probably did some work with them but I would never do it. I have a question for you. With the whole YSL Young Thug thing going on and a lot of people talk about rappers and their lyrics you coming from a history of really speaking your truth in your lyrics you don't give a damn when you give a fuck do you think that it's grounds for rappers lyrics against them? It's like it's what they call it in our creative license so it's like what happened what changed we went from writing to freestyle and when you freestyle you just pretty much talking about some shit you did you know we talked about what you just did you know what I'm saying like so it's like that's a great area in it to the point where yeah they shouldn't hold their lyrics against them but we all know that this shit down you just freestyle of what you did you know what I'm saying so shout out to Thug I hope he gets it I hope he's come out of it So what's your overall take on the music industry as it is now we got the sexy reds and of course music has changed but you know in music theory behind the composition putting hooks together how to build an album what do you think about the music industry now because we hardly get albums anymore yeah the music industry as we know it it dies it's officially gone because see what happened is back in my era they went to the stores and bought tape CDs nowadays they cut that out it's no tapes you know no CD stores they switched and went to streaming and what streaming is is basically ad money so it's like if you look at title YouTube whatever it is that song playing on they selling something around the platform is getting that money from the ads and then just breaking off whatever song is playing on point zero zero zero zero you know what I'm saying so it's like the music industry just tied into the ad money and if a song played 1500 times that's an album sale they don't even have to go buy that shit you know what I'm saying when you be seeing such and such got a billion streams those are album sales now you know what I'm saying nobody just buying your tape people don't do that no more they just listen to it so that's what changed about it so now the record labels they don't really give a fuck about the talent they just won't who gonna drive traffic so whatever whoever act in the food that's who they want they want whoever you know what I'm saying just out there making noise just doing whatever that get people's attention so it's like a microwave type of time speaking of streaming right how you said we switched over to the streaming world I was looking at some of your songs online and I noticed that sometimes they got your names feel different um is that like was on your behalf or the label behalf or was you changing your name was you trying to get your world keys back like what made the name change excellent question see um and you know that's the business part of the game it's like where um it was a period in my career where after I wrote the hook for Dan I signed a pub deal thinking they were gonna let me write for other people but really I you know as time went on I realized they tricked me into signing the pub deal to get that little part of my publisher to say to say to somebody else I was like oh shit the fix is in tell somebody shit yeah yeah but um so that might have something to do with that you know what I'm saying so like my pub deal with E.M.I. Blackwood I know y'all always hear about Michael Jackson on the Beatles Publish that's called Sony ATV Michael Jackson bought my publisher after he had died wow so I would give him a chance I'm like damn Sony ATV Sony ATV bought E.M.I. Blackwood but I think that's what they they already knew that was gonna happen so they tricked me with the hey man you know we're gonna get you to write for somebody else fly me out to Cali Big John got me out got you in the May background where I signed it tell me where I signed it right now the big city bro you know what I'm saying it's finesse and that shit bro and that and a lot of times like they would put a song it'll be my song or it'll have a joint name on it or it'll have scrappy now a tripper like bro y'all can't be this smart over here and then some shit like that you're not you're either smart or you're stupid what do you think up-and-coming artists can do to protect themselves from having situations like that happen to them see like nowadays they sign you to the 360 and I ain't gonna sit here and say 360 is the worst shit because they get in need it ain't got shit going on but a lot of time when they sign at 360 they don't have the lightness so like say finesse you signed to somebody in 360 you got to change your name you know what I'm saying you got to be a whole another artist whatever so I think nigga told me I couldn't be a honey boy no more bro they don't give a fuck shit say you don't change at the center but I'm a center boy I'm a center boy you hear me with the booty squirting them out you know what man it's Franklin's bitch you doing me a favor yeah that shit crazy because that's what's gonna happen going into the future that's what you'll see when people try to leave the label or something they got to change oh shit and then they got to build a brand back up so unless you in a good situation where somebody can help you build your brand back up right quick right quick do you think it's I was just gonna say you think it's just like the artist desperation like they just want something so they'll take anything because I'm just like bad deal's been going on for so long like when are we gonna wise up and be like let me have somebody look at this but not everybody has the money for a lawyer to look at things they definitely take advantage but it's just like okay at some point it's just like y'all need to wise up about what's going on you just sign it and you won't even look at it yeah you're right and every artist they you know 99% of them feel like I'm gonna wrap my way out of whatever bad situation they feel like I'm just gonna wrap my way I'm feeling muscle up and got down I'm at 20 after my 24 album it'll be all over thug say he was like I signed the most f-ed up deal in the world but he was like I had a plan for it but it's just like you'll never know what's gonna happen he is the 1% that's the exception that's not the rule he is the 1% most of them is not gonna happen but in our heart of hearts every artist feel like I'm just gonna keep jamming and keep jamming and keep jamming I'm feeling like they're gonna get this shit right you know what I'm saying and it never happens I feel like it's the best I think it's the age to start I think you can't be 50 years old start like in my case in my case I signed my first deal at 18 so it's like I came in it as a kid so I feel like that's a license for me to keep doing it but now if I had it just at my age now I'm just saying hey I'm feeling to be the hottest new rapper I got 16 son you know what I'm saying y'all give it up for Old Hanger hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha so what you think 35 35 to cut off to start how old was 2 Chainz when he started he was a little bit he didn't start he was a 2 Chainz he was 10 boy 10 boy started way back you know what I'm saying he switched it and did it 2 Chainz thing if you already here then you good West Side Gunner and Benny the Butcher they in their 40 but they ain't moving in their city for the past 20 years but they started early so they can keep somebody in Buffalo then so it's not like oh he just blew up at 39 right right right Benny the Butcher was on my 16th or better this back when he used to just go by Benny and I didn't know that this nigga if I had known that nigga would blow up I would have signed the shit out of that then hahahaha hahahaha they show me that shit on that hahahaha on my long face hahahaha look at it's a letter it's a letter at the bottom it's us at the very top it's the Jew now you gonna have one or two people that look like us they gonna get kinda close up there to them and they gonna see the shit that they doing so then they gonna be like bullshit roll down here so then they gonna do the shit to us that they see the Jew do to them so like this shit been always happening but like back in the day it would happen with the old soul singers or the blues singers and shit like that but like now it's like different ones of us are getting closer up the totem pole and they seeing the slick shit like how they still your publishing after people die you know what I'm saying your kids don't know where to go get that shit they just let it sit for about 15 years and when nobody looking they just go grab your publishing cause you done died off your kids don't know how to go get it bro the closest thing that we had is the shit that Hollywood just did because the first strike happened about two years ago I wanna say a year or two years ago see the one that Jesse got finished it's the actor but the one before that like a year or two years ago it was about once they came out of that shit it's hard to chase went up like 25% you know what I'm saying because some kind of way they made them pay more for royalties so every time and like this strike right now once they come out for that the when your you know you do an independent movie or whatever once they keep playing the streaming money for the movies gonna go up because that's what the actors were tripping like shit they should play on Netflix again and all this I'm getting $20 checks my game it got damn a million to do the movie why am I getting the $20 check you know what I'm saying and that's what they going through so once that shit over with streaming royalties gonna go up a little bit you know what I'm saying and it's starting with with the movies but it's gonna move over to the music too that streaming and streaming I was just gonna say because artificial intelligence is taken over and there was a bit of a you know decapable they scared of that shit they're still going through that what do you think about that because a lot of artists may not be able to push out music because of artificial intelligence it's um like I've seen it sound like like DLC like DLC used to be one of my favorite rappers like and I've seen it where a DLC you know cause it had the accident and it messed up his vocal color and he's about to do an album with AI that's that's cold you know what I'm saying he get AI to rap in the place I used to rap I would appreciate that cause I definitely don't want him to do it before she gets it yeah yeah yeah he probably gonna write it and get AI to say it so that's the case where AI we benefit from but now the other case is like shit like you got that right down hey Drake do a song with Jay-Z and AI got them do the song write it the lyrics mix that bitch down everything and see that's what they scared of you know I think it's gonna be a good thing though man we just gotta adapt with the times and stuff I think that's scary you know having a good lawyer and Nick Hannon just said that you know you just gotta lawyer all the way up and just be on top of your piece and get you an AI lawyer a real AI lawyer sometimes these lawyers actually work with the labels they be owners of the labels, co-owners of the labels and you think you signin' something that's good for you and your lawyer got your back but really you signin' something that's good for that label it's just benefiting them it's not even for you you need to go into the label with your own lawyer you don't go get the label you don't get the lawyer that they give you we got uh uh Betty Hill right here nah they gonna give you a good price you gonna be you definitely gonna get some kick back kick back right up your ass bring your own nigga that's what you gotta do it is what it is man and you know just to go back to something that y'all was talking about earlier with signin' bad deals I would advise people that it's hard to tell somebody what not to do when they rent do and what they been doing is chasing a dream saying they got this opportunity because like you just said you could be part of the 1% but that comes with you don't have a knowledge of the game being a one stop shop learning how to edit your own videos write your stuff learn and get a business music business for dummies and all that and that's how you can counter counteract that if you ain't got no money up front do the best you can do the best you can because these deals don't be happening there that's what I was gonna say too it's very hard for black people when you're trying to do something that only 1% of us are gonna do to be like oh let's come together y'all it's cravin' a barrel because only a certain amount of us are gonna make it anyway and then they don't want people to come up and snatch the opportunity so I think it's very much people don't really want to help because they're like nigga I barely got it myself I'm just trying to feed my family so I think that's the mentality a lot of rappers have yep yep yep who you gotta get yours or not gotta get mine and we gotta stop bringing our cousins from the barbecue to the table to do those business deals everybody can't do it LeBron and keep your cousin with you so you gotta step away from so for you is there anything after knowing all that you've been through is there anything in your journey that you would do differently um you brought your strap to that fight yeah yeah probably but um I don't know man because the way my career went I had to scrounge for everything like I didn't have a tell them what scrounge mean that's way deeper than deep it's like you know just there's some slave shit scrounge like when I came in the game it's like I knew if I didn't do that with Soso Def on that bass all star album that I probably wouldn't have got in the game you know what I'm saying I knew that that was an entry point so it's like I went in to um bass music but I knew that was my shit you know what I'm saying so people know me from crump you know what I'm saying but then I released my single in the snap era but what's happening so it's just like you know you just you just gotta roll with it you know it's water you know what I'm saying your hustle gotta be water you know whatever you pour water and it takes shape of that you add you add heat to it and steam up you add cold to it it turns hard you know what I'm saying so your hustle gotta be water another dope era of your career was the um the Georgia Dirt Era do you think you guys who ever do reunion yeah yeah that's that's family you know what I'm saying what happens to stuff shout out the Playboy Tray um Little Boutta Big, Myve Luna T Bro Quack Mr. Ward you know that's family you know what I'm saying that's when when I seen that the bmc ship was when I seen it taking on water that's when I that's when I put the whole Georgia Dirt movement together I was like okay I gotta make me a lifeboat somewhere I gotta make me a raft you know what I'm saying and you still got your bmc sharp chain no no yeah it gone it gone it gone yeah it gone what you doing with it you did you got pissed off yeah yeah I had my moments where um you know where I was mad at my situation you know that that I know I did throw it in the woods you did it in the woods I just got outside and spread it through it like yeah yeah it it I went through some ups and downs you know but like I said they still found man it's love you know it's just it's just like when you go through the struggle and there you you you you carrying them on your shoulders you living them then once they get to the part to take off and it's just like thank you it's just like shit you know when Git Cronk we were supposed to do the video for Git Cronk John fell out like they had approved the video everything then he fell out with TVT they sued him he sued them he uh they went to court he moved to California that that's high end you know what I'm saying it's just like shit bro we were feeling what about us and you know I'm saying and it's like years before I seen him again and then after that it was just all Mexicans and white people around it just like man this ain't what we were you know shots out to the Mexicans and the white people you know I'm saying much love it's just one what we were doing you know and you know when it changes it's like okay it's over yeah so what are you talking about give me one single a song do me a beat and then you can go on about your business yeah and see like and people always were always wondering like what was my grudge and like my grudge with John was it's like bro why we were grinding you always told me like do this and then we gonna got there and we gonna do your project next boy we feeling it got there you know what I'm saying and it always kept back low me back low me and then you take off and then he did that with damn you know I'm saying he could have told me look man he did the hook you know I'm saying and then when it came to get crunchy did the same thing again and then your partner like all the rest I met John first I ain't meet the other folks from being me then it's like your partner come trick me into signing this pub deal and all this shit and now you just high and bro look at my face talk to me man like I don't want to hit it I ain't really I never saw him he a boy I seen him some place on he go through all these different emotions 3 seconds he go through 5 different emotions hey what you drink he's like bro I got love for you he's on occasion he try to see what kind of shit I'm on hey bro give me a hug like god damn you know what I'm saying but it's all love but I just felt like I felt like this was some of my career accidentally on purpose you know what I'm saying yeah you know what I'm saying that's how I feel about it but at the same time it's like get crank got critical to claim it's like everywhere you go boy that's very good as hell you know what I'm saying boy that's very good as hell your verses was the verses nigga yeah so it's like with that it allow me to do I don't do bigger shows or whatever but I consistently over 25 years done deal shows they gonna call me and they gonna keep on calling we finna get you on all our shows I'm here one of my favorite song I can't the hook go my phone is tapped we can't hide the money we need a bigger role you say god damn I be watching lean on me what's your favorite scene out of lean on me when they take him up on the roof when they take him up on the roof when they take him up on the roof do you smoke crack do you smoke crack you know who smoke crack don't you job mother fucker yeah Joe claw I didn't know that was a real nigga man New Jersey New Jersey we need mojo club 2023 don't do it Joe claw just need a bulletproof bed yeah 100% man what's the name of that song Ben a boss on scrapping knee scrapping and dro take us out to that dro went off you know this I feel like we need to give you flowers right now cause I feel like you have not been appreciated man thank you thank you man it's just it's a journey man and it's like I say I don't take myself too serious with this shit like I um I knew it was bigger than me like my first time writing a rap and somebody was like boy you got some I knew it was bigger than me I knew that I had the talent so I wanted to do it for my area where I'm from to inspire the next generation it might not be rap you know what I'm saying it really is that you want to do you can do it you know what I'm saying we got cats that doing all kinds of shit from down there and they success and they success but I just wanted to inspire 100% I look at it like I came I saw I conquered as far as that and my journey is not over right and like even when I was doing it back then I felt like my music was aged with because I felt like I feel like right now Jen now catching up to my you know what I'm saying some of my old rap your shit don't sound stupid right it's a bunch of shit sound dumb I used to listen to this shit I go back and listen to some non-limit shit but I should have heard Peter had that next time I should have heard that one that was one longevity is worth way more than being hot for 2-3 years and then nobody even know so kudos to you that's a blessing so what's next for bohagan I mean I know we got heroin is there anything on your personal bucket list that bohagan wants to do I'm going to get back into the lab okay that's my own you need some skits you need some skits I would love it and you know I'm going to just try to keep going I got it get this that was a delay delay delay but not denied yeah so that's my next project I'm going to be working on man I'm just taking it one day at a time John them actually reached out to me about the B-103 the B-103 show that they're doing next month yeah so hopefully if I ain't saying that too bad but hey listen he was just playing yeah he was just joking bro what are you going to do god damn show John stop playing so yeah man so I just keep pushing you know what I'm saying and I just love music I don't have to make it new music come out I listen to who's the new niggas you listen to right now you know the little um I'm telling what because I moved to Birmingham oh for real I'll be listening like that hold on you drove him from Birmingham see your dog from Birmingham nigga I want to come to see me I'm not with you bro I'm not with you man god damn I need to get you gas money we good we good can you shake that man smoke one with me let's drink one yeah we drink one but yeah so like but I always keep an eye on the city like me too it was taking a minute for them to break the new eight-time artist and then I heard the Huncho I was like okay they got a new one you know what I'm saying every couple of years I was like didn't see who the new artist coming out the city and when I heard a bro I was like okay they got another one good stuff you know I just Atlanta is one of the greatest cities on earth don't believe the bullshit it's been good it's been good to me through the years so it's like I always always gonna have a special place in my heart to keep an eye on it but I just it would be good to see us not copy other people they just say like everybody try to be Chicago right now back in the day Atlanta would play a partner it just like it would play a you know what I'm saying we be doing some Chicago shit yeah everybody turn to Chicago yeah the youngster is spending that's Chicago so it like it kind of got a little bit mobile that's true I like the media and the mainstream but like the upcoming like the high school artists oh yeah man they don't count man they don't count they don't count man I'm already spending I ain't claiming that I ain't claiming that that's what I want to see them just kind of like getting that position again to where the rest of the world want to be them instead of them asking like you know what I'm saying the rest of the world like that's the change that I seen you know what I'm saying the old and then we still the same you know what I'm saying but it's like the youth kind of follow in Chicago you know what I'm saying and they kind of got to get out of that on a genocide dangerous yeah would you ever manage any artists I would but you know managing it's kind of like damn they're like having kids what the hell you talking about I tell a nigga know every five minutes well I'm telling like I call myself um call myself looking out for one of my little cousins he was rapping you know he had started getting this little momentum so I told him one day um I had booked a show for him it was my show he was just going to take a letter open up and I was like man we'll just come up stay up you know stay at the house and we'll go do the show later on he wanted to have he wanted to have 15 like he's fully signed and making money you know what I'm saying I'll just hit you up next week but like that's kind of like where it be you know what I'm saying like the nobody says he like when I was coming like when I first met John I'll never forget um Mr. Cool you remember Mr. Cool had a song born through it John that um introduced me to Mr. Cool and then told me bring my suitcase and then I left me old Mr. Cool house for about two weeks by myself no limit coming through Mr. Cool see I was like god damn I was by myself you know what I'm saying but it helped me it helped me my social skills it helped me just holding your arm you know what I'm saying see that's what the key is now but you can not finish him by himself you can finish him with 15 and it be the entourage that gets you in the bullshit so the entourage be their personality for real they can't complain about themselves exactly the entourage the artist it might be some shit to where he would look the other way it wouldn't be no big deal the entourage before you know it a whole other deal we've seen it happen too many times you know but it's life 100% boy hey man this is the first but it ain't gonna be the last time you come in man like I said I really appreciate you coming over and showing New Jack Thula City love man is that anything you want to say to the New Jack Thula City audience man before we get up I cheer my boy because I know you got some more famous shit to do I just want to say y'all make sure y'all follow me on social media at the real Bo Hagan check me out you know my new projects I got the heroine wars coming on six episodes it's coming soon we got the independent movie post-degree that we did last year that's gonna be dropping soon so I'm just working to be on look up for that Hagan Amish project when it takes time yeah it is man well like I always say you just can't say you real or something you gotta be Mamma Bo Hagan y'all give it up one more time let's go ok hey let's take a picture boy