 Welcome to EFAP TV, the last of us, season one, episode six. It is. How are you all feeling about that? After this one, we will be two thirds through. Two thirds of the way through. Yeah, close to the end and the beginning. Episodes. Funnily enough, we know what payoffs we're heading for, except Rags only knows about mainly one of them right at the end. But there's a couple in between that you'll find interesting. Well, yeah, we just got done with that fifth episode. Oh, boy. What a ride. Wow, episode five. Wasn't that a TV episode show? It was. Oh, my goodness. And that's one of the episodes of all time. Without further ado, let's get right into common showcase, shall we? Here we go. Kathleen, kids die all the time, that one infected little girl. And I took that personally. Surprising, we didn't point that out. A lot of people felt that way. They're like, how did you not make that connection? It's like, oh, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I suppose that is a connection. Books about, you know, kids die all the time, whatever the fuck. And then a kid killed her. Possibly because she was listening and was offended. Children are dangerous. Children are all children. That's the point of the episode, right? Every murderer was once a child. Destroy all children. I keep wondering if I should read these in an annoying nasally voice to like straw man, the person writing it coming. Endure and survive. Do Chad voice. Do Chad voice. Endure and survive is how I watch this TV series. Because I want season one to be a faithful adaptation and season two to be the opposite. I'm sick right now. And that kind of helped with my Chad voice. It did kind of help. It made it a little bit basier or a little bit more texture, I think. This is an interesting observation, isn't it? Yes, very. I think this is going to be something that Eve Abedza referencing at the end of time in the adaptation argument, because a lot of people do not want season two to be accurate to the source. Now, if being accurate is good, that means you have to fix your system up a little bit. That's right. We, on the other hand, as I've said several times, I like comparing, but because this show is different to the game. It is. It's different enough to be warranted as saying different, even though in a lot, there's a lot of similar beats. Yeah, it is similar and it is different. And it's fun to talk about whether or not that change seems better or worse or fit better or fit worse with what they currently have or what they might have in future. Oh, Mahler, that's an easy discussion. I'll tell you what it is. All right. It wasn't like the game, so it's bad. See, we took care of that real nice and easy. That wasn't hard at all. Well, you know, I think someone else will be saying the opposite if they actually went against season two in or rather game two in season two. Imagine there was no big sandwich. What if they get rid of the biggest sandwich? Everybody, would you be happy about that or sad? I would be very sad because I would want to see how this bigget sandwich compares to Tunel's bigget sandwich. I think that's fair. Not only did Joel turn over in his sleep, he also didn't get any sleep the prior night and also climbed a whole bunch of stairs. I bet he'd be out like a rock. I did forget to mention that when responding to the comments last time. He'd also been awake for two nights. When you were awake for longer, it makes you more tired, I think. That's a science thing. I can confirm that. We checked more awake, more tired. Biology facts. You'll die of sleep deprivation before you starve to death. I'm a bit disappointed. The crew didn't talk about how Ellie fell asleep when Sam asked her to stay awake and has to live with that guilt that she left Sam alone as implied by the I'm sorry at the end. We actually didn't really talk about the I'm sorry at all. And there's a couple of things to say about it that I kind of regret that we didn't. But you know what? That's just a reality. A lot of things happen really quickly. And comments like this can help us open up a conversation that maybe we didn't have. But most of it I would say is, you know, sorry she couldn't save him. Sorry it didn't work out. Sorry that he died alone almost. Sorry that in a way that their meeting kind of caused his death in a way. Certainly that it led there. And I think she would see it that way at least somewhat. Sorry it all ended up this way. Yeah. Lighten with subtext. That sorry is seen by Joel and he stares at it quite a bit. And you wonder if maybe it's the there's a bit of an implication there of, you know, sorry, all the efforts she made to bind them together. The attempts to open Joel up, what did it lead to? Like pretty intense heartache. That was rough. What happened at the end with those two? Something I can't remember if we did talk about it, but I certainly would have liked us to. That Ellie sees this as a failed attempt to save someone from a horrible fate. And thus it will likely egg her on to the position of wanting to save people. Meanwhile, it'll do the opposite for Joel. He'll see this as like, that was... That you it's it's not worthwhile to do this because everything is doomed anyway. It all falls apart. All the effort we put in this appointment. We nearly died like several times, you know, and for what to have some friends, to have some fun moments. Like, is that really worth it? You might even say at that point that Ellie would be further to the degree of chipping away at herself to help other people while Joel would be like, never sacrifice anything about ourselves for other people. We're the most important family first, that sort of angle. If that's what they're building toward, that is a good step toward it. And that is all, I think, nailed with just the, I'm sorry, on that little pad. So yeah, it's a good good job. Good point of discussion. But sometimes things slip through the cracks in the flow of... We do, we try. We try. Like that. Hey, the comments can pick us up sometimes. So thank you for that. That's why comments showcases here. The only magic critique I have of this episode is Joel not checking everyone for bites as soon as they made it safely to the hotel at the end. Everything I've been shown so far tells me that he wouldn't risk skipping that, especially after seeing everyone grapple with zombies. I'm not going to say that the person who wrote this is necessarily not applying that to the game, but I imagine it would also apply to the game, right? Yeah. And so if we skip that conversation, that he does the same mistakes in the game, then it relies strictly on what we've seen in this show. We've, I don't think, ever seen him check anyone for bites, not even Tess after they had separate encounters. I think that you could argue he trusted her, he trusts Ellie and that he would trust even Henry and Sam. Everybody understands what happens, and you could think they would be willing to disclose that. Yeah, like it might have been something he doesn't think about necessarily. The thing about it is, if he had said, like when they get to the hotel, they all sit down and then he pulls his gun up and they're like, well, what the fuck? And he says, show me your arms and legs right now. I don't think that would be out of character, but I'd be surprised. I'd be like, oh shit, okay. I mean, I guess you could, yeah, all right. And I suppose you could say part of it is that if he's going to make them show us to whether or not they've been bitten, then they're going to expect that of Ellie, right? And then she'll be like, oh, I have been bitten. And then they'll be like, what the fuck? And that could cause some issues as well with him trying to keep it quiet. So that's, I think I could believe both, but I can understand this being brought up. Especially with how careful it all is. Yeah, I understand that. I find it fitting that they give OG Tommy's voice actor the bloater's signature kill. Yeah, I thought it was kind of neat. I think we sat at the time. It's like, it's a really weird thing to say, but yay that he was in it for that long and he got his head ripped off. Woohoo. I think you've actually gotten to see it properly because every other time it cuts off before it rips Joel or like Ellie's head off. Before it gets too graphic. Yeah, you see a little snippet of like, oh my God, that's horrible. In this case, they've still shot, but it's kind of in the background a bit bloated out as well. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of funny though. It's like, oh yay, the bloater ripping someone's head off. Woohoo. I feel like everybody wanted to see that. The backstory for Henry really made his scene with Sam and how they ended up hit hard. Henry was a rat for a terribly heinous group and got what's if his brother's killed. And basically I should in a ton of extra suffering for people around him to save his brother. And seeing him process that and then make the last decision is just fucking heavy. Good stuff. Yes, that's basically would be my praise for that. This is the change, right? Like he's not. Yeah. That's not how it goes in the game. They came in with a group of people and they all got killed except for Henry and Sam who escaped and then Joel and Ellie bump into them. They survived together. Henry's a bit different. He's like a hardened survivor. He's kind of like Joel and Sam I guess kind of like Ellie. They have very much reflections. While in this it was a little bit different and they're playing on different aspects of the character journeys that they're going to be going through, right? Like the fact that Henry made a choice to have other people suffer in favor of his brother and then he described it as I'm a bad guy because I did a bad guy thing. Like who do you think we're talking about? What do you think this episode's all about? And someone else is going to be dealing with this soon enough and has dealt with it in the past in his life but to have everyone who suffered along the way as a result of his choice to defend his brother and then he shoots his own brother in the head the actor has to have all of that on his face right before he just kills himself. He can't deal with it. It is an incredibly rough scene. An extra layer added on top of something that is already like obviously tragic but to add that extra element of the other things that are going to be weighing on Henry as well that is I basically agree like the backstory makes it a heavier scene than it already was. I think so too. It's a very sensitively written scene in the game as well as this. Like there's so much going on in that one instance in that one character's head. I mean also the mocap actor but the guy in the show that's a very hard thing to do. They did it quite well. You completely ignored the bit in the game where Joel says and just so we're clear about back there it was either him or me. That's his acknowledgement and thanks to Ellie that she was right Ellie even says you're welcome in response. So the edit was to prove the point which was the initial reaction and then I showed the rifle part to prove that against the comment that was provided he doesn't trust it with guns still and that's why he's angry. I showed that point to be like no he does now that's definitely come through and so then we talked about how it's a subtextual sort of thing to grab from the scene where he's angry at her that he is happy that she saved his life. So I don't know why you've brought this up is basically my conclusion it's like we already said that's what's happening in that scene we just said that it's way more overt because it happens straight away in the show. The part that's missing in the game as far as I'm concerned at this point is the didn't want you to have to do that because I did show the clip as well of when he says trust it with the guns from now on. I don't think you would draw from that that he doesn't think that what she did was the right thing. Funnily enough I was going to put it in but I couldn't find an example but I saw plenty of people saying which is the opposite criticism of this that what you're criticizing it for being too subtle now. It's like I think there's a fine line between having characters say the thing versus not say the thing which is better when one could be implied and one could not but I don't think you can even draw out of the scene necessarily that he feels bad that she had to kill someone. This line just so we're clear it was either him or me. To me is him saying you made the right choice which I already said you can get from the fact that he starts having to have guns straight away after that scenario. The part that's missing is the guilt of a literal little girl having to end a life because Joel wasn't fast enough or quick enough or good enough against the enemy which I think is a really cool angle to take. Yeah I agree the acknowledgement really is the gun being handed over. Yeah I think if anything you don't need him to say just so we're clear it was either him or me we already have that. Trust me I'm pretty familiar with the game I'm not trying to lie about it or ignore it. Right. I still I don't know about John and Fringy but I still think the game is better right now out of the two. Yeah I agree with that. I'm not sure yet. I'm a fan of the show but the game is better I think. Yeah I think the game is better but it'll depend definitely on how it ends to answer the question. I think that's the problem right now is it's not complete yet. It was very considerate of the child clicker to ignore the rules of clickers in order to kill Kathleen right up there with the hey you wrapped it from Jurassic Park Lost World and every ninja zombie from the Resident Evil films. I assume they mean that Kathleen was silent and staying still and the clicker jumped on her despite not having any vision. There's someone who's edited this episode several times as I do with all of them. Before that happens the zombie is obviously chasing I assumed anyway Ellie because it's the one from the car so it got up to where Ellie was and then I think you hear Kathleen say stop or hey. Right after that the clicker is crawling toward her you see it in the background just before Ellie points it out and then just before it gets so you can see it. As far as I'm concerned the clickers have a lot of stimulus in terms of noise it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be drawn to any particular one they'll just go for one. It might work this way in the game right? Say you're staying still and you're three meters away from an infected and then you like stamp on the floor it'll look over at you walk over to you and if it gets within range it'll just attack you. As though this is the last area I heard the noise from I will go for this area. I think that happens in episode two that they jump on Joel when you- That's just the way that the clickers work is that they'll just be standing around and then sound it's like oh sound I'm gonna go to the sound and then of course if you're like running around then they'll just follow where that running is coming from. Kathleen made noise if you want to argue she's not making as much noise as I guess the gunfire in the background or whatever it's like at that point I think clickers can react to whatever noise is their preference. I don't know that say they had like noise at 10, 20 and 30 I don't know that they always go for 30. Yeah do they have to go for the loudest noise or do they just stick with the one they had first or the one that seems to be closest to them? Perhaps it was only partially turned and some parts of the eyes were not covered in mushroom tissue yet. No I'm pretty sure it was fully a clicker. Yeah same like it. So hold on when this guy says rules of the clickers he's talking about the blindness thing. Yeah he's saying the implication is that Kathleen shouldn't have been attacked because she wasn't making any noise but like I said she does shout. Yeah I don't see the issue there really. Neither do I. So the next up is maybe the writers just needed it to kill a character who is standing still amid a whole crowd of people making more noise. She did make a noise and I don't think that they've said the rules are as long as there's a louder noise that means that the clicker will go for that. It'll never go for any random noise. It'll always be the loudest noise. In fact that seems like it'd be really weird because at that point wouldn't they all go to the same place? Yeah why if there's a noise in front of you that you're pursuing it's really close but you just hear a loud noise elsewhere. Why would you give up what you're doing to go get the really loud noise? It's so much like there needs to be like a recognition that the infected in the last of us there's like some semblance of behavior. There's like an objective that any individual infected has which is essentially to create more infected. I think it's safe to say you could have your fictional species thing the only ever chase the loudest noise but that's not what we're dealing with in this. They don't just chase the loudest noise that's not what we've seen. It's especially complicated when they've added in the element of almost like a hive mind kind of working that too, yeah. That it can pursue different objectives in a sense. Not only is it about loud noises here but like she's speaking English to somebody. Like I don't think anyone else in that scene in that instance is like speaking in sentences not that to say that like the clicker can understand English or whatever but they're probably honing in on sounds that don't sound like other clickers just going raw. Yeah, you know it's a great point if they were distracted only by sound then surely they'd start hitting each other. Right. It doesn't really affect the outcome though. So at worst it's an oversight. Any other infective could have killed her here. I think you could argue that but we don't need to. It's terrifying how not only is EFAP becoming what they hate but there are so many fucking comments here sounding creepily like TLJ shills. What the fuck is going on? And that's got 10 likes. Which is a little bit disappointing but here we are. What the fuck is going on? Instead of saying TLJ shills you could have just said you disagree. That could have been your rationale. It's the only explanation that TLJ shills. All I would say in response easily is like you're just the opposite if you're going to call us biased. I don't want to mess with a comment like that. It's like I disagree. I think that we're trying to apply the standards that we've always applied and developed over you know many discussions about media just trying to apply it here. You just disagree with the conclusion which is fine but like yeah I always find it really weird when it's like ah losing their way. I'm just trying to like talk about the show. I just think it's good. This language by the way that they are creepily like TLJ shills which is terrifying. Are you okay my dude? It's terrifying to you that we've been talking about the show this way? By TLJ shills they've just been person advocating for thing I don't like. That's all which you're allowed to do. I mean it's ultimately it's about like the arguments right? Like it's not a conclusion hopefully. But yeah you're right we've had plenty of controversial hated and loved things over the past five years. At this point yeah feels weird that TLJ is the only reference you got. He's brilliant. Well yeah I mean you guys disagreed with us in a blind manner a fair number of you. You guys disagreed with us on Mando season two. We are not forgetting that one okay. Ah Mando season one yeah. That was so shit. No Mando shit it always was. Was it now? As obviously a bit of an outsider to the community and everything like maybe I'm missing something here but I don't know why he's throwing the last Jedi in there. When uh when the last Jedi was coming out it was like a very fraction I guess you could say discussion where there was like basically a shit ton of praise and a shit ton of like criticism. It wasn't like a film where there were a lot of people who were like in the middle like it was just fine. It was a very polarizing film and conversations that people were having in defense of that film were often very frustrating because the arguments were confusing and weird and seemingly inconsistent a lot of the time and bizarre. I guess that's what's being applied here that the arguments that we're putting forth for why we think the show is solid. I will say like hyperological. Some of us disappointing because uh we can clear it up. I just never thought we'd have to, right? So take for example if you're familiar enough with the film John you'll remember but the opening of TLJ the first order of arrived the heroes are escaping they're all onto the Radis their enormous capital ship and they're about to escape the ship attacking them is I think it's the Juggernaut class for the first order and they have this cannon on there that can just fucking annihilate any one target it goes after even like the shields won't be able to stop it and so Hux targets the planet base when the ship is about to escape right in front of them if they blow up the ship they can then by the way recharging takes I think like 20 seconds maybe a minute I can't remember how long but you hit the ship right you destroy that and then you recharge and then you hit the base on the planet that seems to be the most reasonable thing to do to annihilate your enemy and Hux chooses the opposite he goes to the base and he kills nothing and then but by the time they recharge Poe destroys the ship and so they can't and obviously the criticism is wow if he had gone for the ship it would have been over that would be the end of the movie right pretty simple a lot of people who liked TLJ were like fuck that he's arrogant of course he made the mistake and that doesn't really make sense it's like his arrogance made him shoot the planet it's like that's like a non sequitur it just doesn't explain the behavior if he was arrogant surely you would just go for the ship it's like we can get him because arrogance almost implies like you think you you're able to do something when you can't actually and so if the argument is like he thought he could take them both outs who went for the base first like yeah but why wouldn't you go for the ship first you still haven't explained that and there's nothing that gets into some tricky territory of like I've thought about this a lot like this idea like writing characters like dumb deliberately because like you've set up like an irrationality in them as opposed to like just dumb writing where you're not putting enough thought well so this is the counter example right they see that and they're like yep accepted good argument EFAT on board 100% Kathleen then shoots the doctor because she links him to the people who sold out her folks who got hanged and beaten and tortured and so she kills him and they're like oh so she's allowed to make a stupid decision for emotional reasons but Hux isn't it's like well no but that has a through line like she hates him because of the decisions he's made and so she kills him despite the value he may hold as a doctor like that actually has a connection as opposed to like Hux is arrogant therefore he shoots a target that there's nobody there instead of the target where the people actually are yeah because if he did shoot at the Radis and let's say he shot too early like and the guns weren't fully charged and so they only breach the shields they don't actually destroy the ship I'd be like oh okay and you go yeah he was he kept he was like fire fire now fire and they're like it's not charged or he's like fire anyway fuck like we can't let him escape he'd be like I could I could believe that more I could believe that more yeah but they didn't do that of course and so yeah I think that's the angle that people are going for and it's just like yeah these aren't the same arguments but I guess that's our job is to now clarify that and I just hope you're not getting terrified by us praising the show I wouldn't want that to happen yeah don't worry in a fetal position walking back and forth don't worry we recently covered Ant-Man and the Wasp and said that was pretty poopy there you go back to normalcy you'll be all right yeah what bothers me about Kathleen in this episode this is still Chad by the way specifically is that they give us a scene that humanizes her and grounds her realistically parentheses her brother is kinder than her and she knows it but then it flips and it's revealed that she knew the whole time why Henry did it yet she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider if she killed Henry anyway she could have looked conflicted but decide she has to kill him because she doesn't know how else to make the pain go away but they only not do this they not only do this I don't know what they even make her doable down doable you dump store sorry double down I'd want to kill Sam too just because he has ties to Henry and justifies it as quote kids die all the time yet she leaves her entire town vulnerable to kill for one person but this is a weird comment I'm not entirely sure but I wanted to make sure it was covered the first thing I thought was interesting is she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider it that's exactly what she does when she pulls the gun on him she wavers she's yeah she does actually a bit and also she can she's considered it for a long time seems like he's done a lot of considering about it and I guess he was saying like if only she had killed him then she could have looked conflicted and it's like well she looked conflicted anyway she was conflicted but she was going to commit to it because she sees it as a a dominant effect you killed my brother I kill you and your brother that's how it works I'm not sure what the end is there says because ties to justifies it's kids die all the time yet leaves her entire town vulnerable to kill for one person I'm not sure I don't see why those two would be linked together she definitely did not want that to happen that is a result of her mistakes I think when she says that about like knowing why Henry did it like it's Henry is hidden behind the car at that point and she's just trying to get him out so she's also quicker to gun down she's also partially making a point that I think is somewhat fair it's like adults and kids die everyone dies like why does that mean that you get to kill my brother that too yeah for sure in isolation kids die all the time therefore it's okay for kids to die is not a good argument but it's not quite what she's saying the entire point is that she knows it's irrational and there's no point but revenge is her number one priority it's like yeah she is very irrational and she seems to have a pretty strong awareness of it but has decided that she's committing to it sort of thing it's not the plausibility and rationality I know why she's doing it it just makes the scene trying to humanize her pointless and was a wasted potential character beat that could have been added to that bedroom scene plausibility and rationality it's like those you got from that scene that's what that scene did it told us exactly why everything works the way that it does told us why she's in charge told us who she was to her brother told her who her brother was to her told her why she's gonna do this and it gave us an awareness that she knows the options she's aware that she could spare him but she won't yeah I don't know I really don't know what the confusion is it's very clear I'm not sure either yeah I included that one because I was like I find this really interesting I feel like it did all of the things it was supposed to do which takes us to the episode itself y'all exited yeah you know I miss our modoc avatar I'm sorry associated directly so many years of watching Game of Thrones teaser for this one no yeah we we thought maybe they'd bring them back I think they've they've stopped doing those yes they do that's a shame though if we were to guess the Structur the Riley episode that's gonna have to be do you think next time or the time after that I'm not sure I'm trying to think of because we've got probably you could argue probably four or five episodes worth of game left and they're gonna have to crush it a little bit yeah though I think they've been making good time it's surprising when you go through like the game footage so to speak how much of the sequences are like defending yourself against random encounters which this game doesn't this show doesn't really have to do a lot of the time the action scenes of this are very specifically happening to prove some kind of point yeah or develop a very like wider plot here we go three months later all right that's a three month jump dirt I don't think that's how it's pronounced I think it is my bits yeah is this Joel wait they don't this probably isn't it might be I don't know I don't think they're gonna be stopping in a cabin at any point are they unless they just came across one I don't know I just fell down here for a bit oh crossbow yeah it's probably not Joe if that was a crossbow who it is Tommy man oh new guy oh no secret Asian man that's kind of neat and the gun that nabbit are you just someone passing through take the gun out two fingers only put it out of reach why did you shoot him the gun's all the way over there he didn't hurt me by the way yeah I got eyes okay you made him soup yeah I did it's cold though it's cold well I ain't seen him I haven't told you what he looks like if you look at anything like you bit and I ain't seen him he's got a girl with him can I come down no there's like a thousand who's this little psycho never mind her you got a map why you're lost I must have missed all the street signs in the enormous fucking forest because you have to actually know yeah it's the thing that games forget we're so we have a map you have to know where you are on the map and your answer better be the same as your wife's ooh do you tell him the truth wonder if you'll use that layer do you tell him the truth yeah are you telling me the truth yeah I like these two that's charming aren't they they feel like they've probably married their whole lives or whatever not bad to have some levity here after the last scene yeah came here before you were born sonny get the hell away from everybody I didn't want to you've come this far then you know what's out there so you haven't heard the name Tommy nope what about the fireflies we get those in the summer not the bugs the people there are firefly people there are flyfly people oh god what has this infection done there are some best way west yeah go east that's true it is a globe so it is a long way now why they call it death river if your brother is west of the river he's gone you're not gonna scare us scared him just wants his bro back I've never heard of the fireflies joe are you okay joe shut up who the shit are you dying okay okay no no but are you because just to remind you that you're dead i'm fucked shut up fine just a cold air ah that little expression you can try and make a joke out of it but seriously if he dies like this she's got nothing she's got a rabbit it's gonna be easy whoever plays the rabbit it's doing really good it's very convincingly dead yeah totally bought into the character the whole like the head bobbing back and forth things like i don't know if that's a cg or if they actually acted actually did it because it's painful it's too close to dark caves along the river we'll set up camp there crossing the morning good starving we should have stolen two rabbits we can get our own rabbits you're gonna teach me how look at these landscapes his vistas yeah it's real nice marica oh what's he doing there oh here she is i'll bring her back together a bit this time of year in this part of the country yeah i was about to say in this specific show do i have the roars in wyerman i i don't actually know i don't know if it's north enough maybe it is i'm just not sure localized entirely within your cave yes may i see it no you're on fire you're plenty warm you should spit it through the fire and light her on fire and then it explodes kills all of the everything you're not even gonna wipe it so you get curious yep so gross stupid child would appreciate alchema hall so i've been thinking no because it does taste nasty let's say we find the fireflies it all works then what like what do we do well it's a we okay fine whatever you you can do anything you want wonder what this episode's gonna be about where are you going what are you doing maybe an old farmhouse some land come back to see these guys cheap he's well i would raise cheap they're quiet do what they're told yeah yeah okay i like the idea that he's been thinking about that though yeah or else to look but up i read everything i could in the school library Neil Armstrong buzz Aldrin Jim Lovell do you know who my favorite is oh man we ride Sally fucking ride setting up her interest in place for real really which comes up in Las Vegas too yeah this is a good seed for that scene that scene is a scene everyone really likes in that game yeah the vaccine i tried with Sam i knew he was infected and i rub some of my blood into his bite i know i know it was stupid but i wanted to save him i like how he like almost said something more complicated than that yeah if she says they can do it they can do it yeah because it's a tough thing to handle like what do you tell her when she tells you that do both it's probably like what the fuck you're mixing blood it's like oh but she's a kid she doesn't really and she just said it was stupid it's like yeah sheep ranches on the moon especially eat oh well i thought why would you try to save it was just their deaths on your mind it's like the last moment really to do some uh hey idiot that's not how science works i woke up early we were passed out so i took second watch you gotta wake me up if that happens you can't do things like this but i can i just did check my six i looked for tracks i found the high ground and i kept watch like you taught me to all of this so far by the way not in the game no this is all new and it's pretty good i like a lot of it all of it is chipping away at the big old wall between them yeah abridged wow it's like they went to a place where it had snowed and everything no this is cga i think i guess they are getting pretty good at it you can see how the snow yeah some of the scenes the snow doesn't quite track onto the trees where they're trying to yeah a little wibbly wobbly yeah yeah snowing uh earlier on in the show then it wasn't the game right tommy stuff was in autumn and then when it was well i guess i'm gonna say because rags doesn't know we get so close to it now we'll probably not say anymore well it seems like they've condensed condensed that together they made it all occur around about the same time i don't know how to whistle you don't know how to whistle did it sound like i know how to whistle no seriously though how the fuck do you do that talent whatever you should teach me how to hunt oh get a handle of shooting not so sure about the dressing what's the dressing the part where you take the guts out is that really the kind of person that would be grossed out by guts i can't remember i guess not right probably not it's gonna be yeah yeah but is it the dam yeah so that made electricity don't ask me i don't have a clue she's minted this time i would have believed you hydroelectric on that river and move stuff with the water turns mo is or whatever and makes electrics mo tours like mo dock yeah machine only trying what if this is the river of death um or ralph way too many rivers of death yeah why can't there be rivers of life or just just very apathetic rivers water is the life giver they do say do you know there's water in all kinds of things like reybeena you guys have reybeena in america i don't know i don't know that i got that earlier this is uh this is bad maybe we're looking for any trouble we're just passing through drop the gun this be tommy's gang gang of meish fish this is the horse gang you could tell by the horse but we call our sales step back i thought we just talked this through how about you shut the fuck up okay easy a lot less plot armor in the show a bit of the game jolly can't just kill everybody okay you've been near infected there's no infected out here the hell there ain't last chance for a bullet oh infected he will smell it and he will rip you up oh great so dogs are immune i guess so yeah i guess yeah dogs are immune be chill dog oh man's best friend wow i love the the way it checked there it was like an actual let me have a look at like i said just move on now her oh he he don't smell that immune blood the dog's like yeah she's infected but she's immune oh okay and then they're like oh my god a talking dog what are you doing out here just looking for my brother it's all not to look on joel's face there he's just like oh fuck well that whole thing was it's great because he's just trapped he can't do anything yeah joel well she probably knows tommy tomothy Thomas Edison oh he invented the lelkin belt English is overrated they have the red handkerchief of peace let them pass it's been passed down from generation to generation so those will arrive and be like i lost the red handkerchief it's like then you can't get in the red handkerchief has remained silent to your please i also wish it had come with a secret knock all right jackson i love wood so yeah this is well different from the game it's looking quite bustling it's looking very bustling isn't it yeah i can believe it it's been 20 years plus just well if everywhere in the game it's they they're at the dam which is trying to be repaired so that they can power their local town we do see this place from a distance at this point in the game but we don't know yeah that's right okay you know what this means this could be the return of bigot sandwiches it could this is the way the last of us two starts tommy my god damn brother tommy holy shit how you doing baby brother god damn let me look at you what the fuck you doing i came here to save you you get that brotherly hug and that boys i love that disbelief like are you fucking kidding me oh my god yeah we thought he was dead he was pretty sure of it i seriously i've heard people say petro pascal is like a like a wood in this i just don't get it you're wrong you're wrong i'll get you you can't say that after that i mean you've already had plenty of stuff up until this point but after that no way yeah that's unfair man is woman sorry ellie let's mind our manners yeah water pumpkin pie what's wrong with you oh my god is that dita oh shit really that's probably dita oh yeah that's a big setup that's a loss of his two character two arms we got a couple of nine-year-old shit in themselves out there they say that you leave dead bodies around those are the people who joined us a bad reputation doesn't mean you're bad not always at least holy fuck that subtext was pretty thick man yeah for your hospitality and all that was super text we'd be nice to have a moment here maybe just for would you mind if you fuck he doesn't realize because that's maria yeah family actually this is maria be nice to her she sort of runs things around here ma'am thanks for not blowing my head off would have been embarrassing considering you're my brother-in-law we all gotta get wrangled up at some point oh oh shit how do you solve a problem for it I get it yeah Joel congrats dude that was pretty well done in terms of just like I don't like this lady but it could go and it's like I can't it's like oh it's always Christmas in Jackson that section was already a gated community so we built the rest of the wall out from there stopped most of the raiding parties but we still find pockets of them could you imagine that you wouldn't have a lot of raiders if you're out in the middle of Wyoming yeah if you're a raider you're not looking to probably go out to it's so funny you know because like this moment in the game you just get attacked by like a shit ton of raiders right away well it's cause yeah how do you keep this place quiet it's not advertising what we have saying off the radio house of worship that's gonna come up in a moment I think motherfucker I thought you were dead because you did that look at his face deep oh look it's deep it is funny that they've got like the little the base coming out of their mouths because this is real yeah that's it's yeah you're right yeah everyone it's just to appreciate that there's actual like stats you know and environments that they're in shooting outside real sheeps communism yeah again again all filmed in Alberta it is that over here in Canada we're communists right communism I didn't like that it is that literally this is a commune we're communists wait Tommy didn't realize that I mean if you share everything that yes that would be a commune he looks so depressed wait we're coming no that's really funny much untouched and so three but I just got the heat going in it could do worse oh trust me we have been we've been doing fine well I'll take Ellie over there if you too want to catch up was that like a defensive line of like your I've been taking care of us maybe probably yeah doing the best you can with uh in a very difficult circumstance yeah ice you can't just get that anywhere around here doesn't grow on snow you're fucking old easy going to happen to you too doesn't seem like you age much take him you on the other hand are you the bartender thanks for still giving a shit about me is now I like that it's a big block of ice because it is getting carved off of a big old it's even left block of ice Christmas trees and big pretty decent setup so how's Tess she's fine all right ooh damn I can't remember what interesting does he say Tess died too in the game they don't talk about Tess I don't think they do yeah I don't think so either I don't remember so you know where they might be these fireflies you know they got a base down at the University of Eastern Colorado the uni it is severely fucked up between here and there I made it across the country the two of us can make it from here to Colorado I'm not going what because your wife won't let you you know is that why you stopped messaging me back Marie and her crew found me they're good people I'm your brother yeah I'm aware they're very protective of this place if a good fucking reason I mean folks find out we're up here no I heard wrong people might show up so is that what I am those things that you judge me for how did those things to keep us alive we murdered people and I don't judge you for it we survived the only way we know how there were other ways trying to find you these last few months I'm gonna be a father man think of the I just gotta be looking for the layers of conflict that adds yeah so I come up in um in the games at all does he ever have a kid I'm scared to death no I don't think I don't think so I mean this this conversation different as well it was a lot more heated in the game in fact he even says it wasn't worth surviving like that was his perspective well they almost come to blows as well don't they uh yeah but then the writers show up I bring you the cure for mankind and you want to play the pissy little brother we ain't back in Boston you lay your hands on me again it won't end well for you hell is that we're under attack just because life stopped for you doesn't mean it has to stop for me go grab some supplies and be out of your hair in the morning yeah because we're probably not going to do a big Raider encounter in this episode it's going to be characters talking characters talking characters talking which is fine with me yep yeah we got lots more to do no we needed obligatory zombie kill in every episode like the walking dead I'm wondering actually are they gonna make a change so the impression I'm getting is that the more connected he's become to Ellie the more he can't bear the idea of losing it stressing him out reminding him fully of Sarah this is one of my favorite tracks from the game yeah and this is a good use of it E.B struggle in and again that scene played out differently almost specifically because he's a less harsh Joel Joel in the game with their conversation with Tommy he's basically like you'll do it for me and you'll you'll fucking listen to me and that what we did was important I did the right thing like he doesn't take he bet this is how you're gonna repay me is it yeah yeah meanwhile this show Joel is much more I think in tune with guilt to the point of yes feeling satisfied well I guess you would need something like that I think every grandma had one of those little flower glass things you get given one once you hit age like 60 yeah once your kid has a kid and you're a mom you just get one the stork shows up Sarah that would be Joel sarah xs-o3 yeah oh good this is more game specific wardrobe here too that jacket she's wearing that's her like winter outfit yeah it's uh super fucking purple that's not really that purple actually shoes aren't too big uh no where's my other stuff rag pile who's been cutting your hair world class salons let me get my scissors oh no trim just trim liens that's nice javits you don't have to deal about washing it okay that's just an old thing to do I was an assistant district attorney it does cut down on the amount of uh yeah as a long hair haver it definitely uh slows the showers down you could even like turn into a whip you can you can go so if anyone ever sneaks up on you in the shower you can just spin around smack them in the face with your dick I'm sorry about your kids it's okay and kid just Kevin Sarah was Joel's daughter ah that's how she finds out I guess that explains me did Joel mention Sarah to her at all look I'm not gonna ask I don't think so no I don't think so but there are clearly things she told me did it too are you worried about him Tommy was following Joel the way you are now wow Joel's fault again he's smarter than Tommy no offense thrown under the bus the only people who can betray us are the ones we trust hmm you know come on grab your super fucking eggplant coat where are we going the movies we're gonna go watch a movie watch a flick a flim wow put on Star Wars bacon current in a movie tonight's show is the last Jedi get me off the hook or what this ride to the university is it a suicide mission no it's dangerous prepare and do what you do it's quite the crew you got here they're good men this place gives them a second chance gives us all a second chance you've had people go that way and come back all of them what is this she's immune so why'd you leave Boston I've been on quiet the adventure little brother I reckon he's got something to do with that girl she got infected but she didn't get sick Tommy I saw her get bit myself that was months ago months from the beginning hey that's cool that looked like it was deliberate like he was choosing between panicking and telling everybody and getting a quarantine pull to trust Joel and then explain he's got everything to do with that little girl well go on then she's immune immune to what oh come on I know I've seen her breathe enough spores to take down a dozen men and nothing Tess got bit she made me swear to take the kid he was her dying wish what the hell was I supposed to do I wouldn't have bladed neither but I can show you all right I'll bite you know she saved my life there but she had to shoot him to save me because I was too slow and too fucking deaf to hear him coming why bring her here I was supposed to deliver to the fireflies the way I figured they're your boys you've finished the job you collect the whole damn payment I haven't seen a firefly in years that you know where they are that's all man kill his own brother to save her well I just watched and today I thought that dog was gonna tear her apart I couldn't move now I'm not asking for much time I just want some simple gear enough to set me on my way no matter what was lately there are these moments where the fear comes up out of nowhere and my heart feels like it stopped what makes you think I'd do this for you this isn't for me Tommy this is for your damn cause my cause is my family now and I have dreams what kind of dreams I'm failing in my sleep it's all I've ever done it's failure I'm just gonna get her killed don't know it don't know it you ain't talking about some walk in the park here Jesus boy have Maria get some of your bored again friends to do it they got families too Tommy I need this I have to leave her I mean it's what you took off on me right to make up for the things we did you want some gear sure but I ain't taking that girl off your hands well here's your chance to bring your kid into a better world you're younger than me you're still strong you said it yourself you'll come back you have to take her now you gonna repay me huh repay you for all those goddamn years I took care of us took care that's what you call it you can't tell anyone Tommy you're the only one I trust if anyone else sees those bites on her what's under her skin they'll shoot her I got nothing but nightmares from those years you survived because of me it wasn't worth it it's the last thing I'll ever ask I swear I'll bring you the cure for mankind and you want to play the pissy little brother we ain't back in Boston you lay your hands on me again it won't end well for you hell is that we're under attack I'll take her out of dawn this feels like a smarter and more honest approach to get what he wants out of Tommy like then in the game where he was just so hostile because there was too much like bad blood on a brotherly sort of level like it's like I can't do this I'm fucking scared and I'm getting old again like I need help with this yeah I think this is strictly better man look at this plank of wood yeah he can't he's just he's so flat isn't he even a wonder woman he was very good he's always been good the only thing I don't think he was very good in was Mando yeah so for those who don't know in the game Joel when he gets here the big conflict is you can detect this throughout is he's starting to see Ali as Sarah and he can't fucking handle it he's done he doesn't want to have to deal with all that again so he wants to palmer off to someone else not deal with it get out of here and he's pretty aggressive with Tommy in terms of like you complete the fucking mission you're a firefly you owe me favors this is what it is and then Tommy's like you made my life miserable and he's like I kept you fucking alive that's the environment in the game and then Ali finds out she runs off and she's pretty pissed with him and he eventually they have I'm not going to say what happens in the discussion because clearly that's to come in this episode she he's convinced and carries on with it because he does like her and ultimately he doesn't actually want to lose it it seems the dynamic they're going for in this game is that he's starting to see so much of Sarah and the relationship that he is fucking panicking at the fact that he's going to be the thing that doesn't protect her and she'll die because he can't can't do it I'm just starting to realize how much that all slots into place all of these interactions the biggest dramas and the biggest close shaves they've had they're all making it worse and worse for him because he just doesn't see himself as good enough to look after her and so that scene is him just fucking falling apart he just said he has dreams every night he doesn't remember like the specifics all he remembers is the feeling that he fails he just fails Sarah every time and she dies so it's just haunting him that's that's going to be what's happening with those panic attacks too he was told by those people that you know he's heading to the river of death his brother's probably dead and then he walks outside has the panic attack and she's you know she doesn't know what's going on but the reality is he's just thinking about how it's only a matter of time before she dies if she's with me and that's why he's trying to palmer off to Tommy a younger smarter more efficient smarter in the sense that he's got more knowledge of the area the comparison is laying all of that on Tommy very clearly like just completely breaking down and sort of bearing a soul out to Tommy like for that to be the thing that would encourage him to actually consider doing this feels like it's a really strong motivation kind of I think the game has a sense of obligation to the world is more of a motivator than specifically helping out Joel I think he says that to Maria like I have to do this and I think when he says he has to do it it's like for the greater good because he still kind of believes in the whole cause of the Fireflies whereas here it seems like it's going to be way more I have to do this for Joel he's more familiar with the Fireflies he's more familiar with the area and it's just like Joel says in this conversation you know like you can bring your kid into a better world that's a motivator is that this is added in on top in a way that feels much more impactful then I think this is better it's just what a neat idea that instead of him aggressively pushing against the relationship developing which he had done in this season at different points we're now at the point where he's like no he's fully on board he understands how much he feels for how much this relationship is important and no longer feels like she should be with him because he's dangerous in the sense that he can't protect her he's failed too many times like referencing that time where all the guns are on her and the dog's there as much as there's not much he can do he's still it's the same thing every time it's not his fault this Sarah was killed but he feels that way but he has a perception about it yeah exactly like what really could he have done to avoid that situation it's like I mean it's not his fault test I yeah but nevertheless so it's just given him this trauma where he's convinced that he cannot take care of her he's not good enough to do it really interesting change that is an interesting change and I like it yeah and just man that performance too pretty excellent yes it is very excellent good points I agree I'm uh I'm really happy with Tommy's actor as well I think he's doing a great job too yeah he's good trying to remain as spoiler free as possible but when it gets to a desperate part of this storyline yeah the old Joel will come back yeah right yeah that's awesome it'll be very satisfying to watch as that's the way they go with this right especially to show him so vulnerable with his brother but then when you challenge or threaten things he loves I could totally imagine something else will happen and it's funny how they use that line about like the map detail matching up on those two people that they found in the cabin because that's such like it's a great setup part of that yeah I'm really I really hope they use that I can't imagine they wouldn't it's such a good scene yeah Ellie oh look at that set design that's like right out of the game these are yep yeah and that dialogue is too is this really all they had to worry about boys is this really all they had to worry about boys movies movies deciding which shirt goes with which skirt deciding which shirt goes with which skirt it's bizarre get up we're leaving and if I say no it's bizarre listen why are you here you even realize what your life means huh running off like that putting yourself at risk it's pretty goddamn stupid I came here to talk to you no why you're still here if you're gonna ditch me ditch me well I guess we're both disappointed with each other then what do you want from me admit that you wanted to get rid of me the whole time what exactly did you hear I have to leave her you have to take her Tommy knows this area oh fuck well I'm sorry I trust him better than I trust myself stop with the bullshit you know I stood up for you today because I thought what are you so afraid of that I'm gonna end up like Sam I can't get infected I made this decision for your own good you'll be way better off with Tommy I can take care of myself how many close calls have we had well we seem to be doing all right so far and now you'll be doing even better with Tommy he knows the area better than I do do you give a shit about me or not of course I do then what are you so afraid of not her you know what Maria told me about Sarah Ellie I'm not her you know Maria told me about Sarah no you are treading on some mighty thin eyes here I'm sorry about your daughter Joel but I have lost people too don't say another word I'm sorry about your daughter Joel but I have lost people too you have no idea what loss is you have no idea what loss is everyone I have cared for has either died or left me everybody I have cared for has either died or left me everyone fucking except for you everybody fucking except for you don't tell me that I would be safer with someone else because the truth is I would just be more scared so don't tell me that I'd be safe with somebody else because the truth is I would just be more scared you're not my daughter you're right you're not my daughter and I sure as hell ain't your dad and I sure as hell ain't your dad now come down we're going our separate ways going our separate ways get it together we're not alone well that was pretty much nailed as well I I think I have a preference for the way that it was that it was all done in the game in terms of the framing but I mean it's basically one-to-one so it feels like it's very minor yeah it didn't feel forced at all either really well implemented how about you surprise they didn't keep in I mean is your friend such wife having their uh you can't fight it yeah maybe maybe that's about to happen maybe hasn't told her that would be bizarre if he it's weird to get to this point without having told her yeah he probably has but oh well I mean can you shake it by or something no I came here to steal one of these horses and go you deserve a choice I still think you'd be better off with Tommy let's go okay in the game he just says it's fine I'll do it basically yeah similar tone yep what are you doing your wife kind of scares me I don't want it coming after sorry for stealing your horse come back to town let's discuss it at least you know me my mind's all made up general direction head southeast to you and I-25 it's a place for you here both of you counting on it there's a place for you here you know you good adios little brother you know both of you could go just saying adios big brother I mean it might as well just be that the perspective is I'm not gonna endanger him on this one all right although maybe yeah or you want to stay here it's my count of the misses get on the way and yeah Maria as well they've established a fireflies broadcast from the university right that's why they're going there right now they had it yeah I think it's just I think it's the lab it's the same setup as in the game that there's a lab there we are running out of episode time so I don't know how much they're gonna do yeah well yeah because it seems like that would be probably a logical endpoint what happens in the game yeah I think we know how this episode's gonna end no I think that there might be a difference in the nature of it why is it that I'm not yeah I'm hoping for an improvement and I will talk about that when we get there deep breath in slow breath out you squeeze the trigger like you love it gentle steady nice and slow you're gonna shoot this thing or get it pregnant it isn't gonna work it doesn't aim right you dick aha women suck at guns yeah take that gamers oh another song from the game oh look at that shot gorgeous that's pretty pretty look at that one get on sunshine oh look at these landscapes that'd be funny if they set up the fire they're like we're gonna go all the way over there and put up a cabra okay so you guys just sit here and talk back then there were basically two main ways of looking at things some people wanted to own everything and some people didn't want anyone to own anything at all which one were you neither I didn't know the capitalist versus the communist pretty much houses doors that kind of thing we were called contractors the contractor that probably is the name of a movie actually the contractor almost certainly yeah yeah everybody loves contractors love mission contractors doing all my contracting look at these silhouettes it's called a turnover like an apple turnover but if you make it why are you learning about sports sports I feel like the show is emphasized more than the game probably could like how quiet things would be a lot of the time the game has plenty of quiet moments but there are so much quiet moments of just there's nobody around there's not many people in the world at this point I just want to once again appreciate the the will they crafted in this show it's really cool yeah man things seem pretty chill and happy it'd be sucky if something bad yeah right and then the episode ended no they wouldn't they wouldn't it'd be a real shame wouldn't it that's a giant ram you guys were like some idol worshippers when it came to sports hell yeah it's kind of cheap oh see this stuff goes into your dream hmm oh they made it to the uni uni uni people would live here and like what go to classes and stuff yup I think it was just as much about partying and finding themselves as anything else figuring out what they wanted to do with their lives what they wanted to do with their lives what about you what do you want to do so I've been thinking mm-hmm I don't want a sheep ranch actually I mean if the deal is I can do anything that's the deal right when I was a kid I used to want to be uh a singer when I was a kid I wanted to be a singer shut up why is that funny shut up who's serious sing something uh no you gotta sing something now no come on man I'm not gonna laugh you're already laughing no cage come on honey I'm not gonna laugh I don't think so but y'all please there's two actors in that hole it's doing great work are those monkeys those people in the old labs look at them go 20 things later monkey this time see the monkey are those monkeys yeah old mess of them firefly here we go so how come the zombies didn't infect the buildings and have zombie buildings that's true yeah living yeah with the house living buildings like an ant-man and the wasp no maybe we should go back and ask the monkeys for directions monkeys are intelligent yeah we're monkeys right no we're apes you're great apes no that's right humans are great apes the such thing as an ape you're thinking of eight which is the great eights for eating the and also the number eight I suppose that too that too it's all monkeys monkey monkey monkey return to the monkey reject biomedical facilities return to monkey was there some kind of apocalypse definitely doctors here they just left maybe not all of them I'm just uh giving a casual look to the floor see if there's any rebar I don't see any I don't see any protruding rebar I sure hope there isn't any it's a big set of spikes like inside of the hedgehog Joel adds that it makes the same animation that he's like oh jeez like losing dollars full out of his pocket Ellie gather up the coins Ellie that's hell monkey Jesus get him maybe in all that research they turned into fucking monkeys well maybe in all that research they turned into fucking monkeys let's keep searching we'll find something really you look kind of depressed of that thought oh hmm weather all like city uh-oh do you know where that is I know the city is it far it ain't close I mean horseback what fireflies get down and there we see a raider devoid of any individual personality and help bent on being aggressive and rude at the back avoid this species at all costs I do like that you can kind of hear the meat it's it's the sound effects of like the video game of getting detected right yeah surely they'll be waiting at your horse for you to come back right uh I guess it depends if they saw the horse yeah I mean you know you want to get out of here as quickly as possible questions on both of them because they both know what it means like not oh no you've been stabbed more of a oh shit so what I was referring to was um something of an issue I take with uh the last of his game is the Joel falls I think it's like three meters or something on to rebar and it goes through his whole body and it shows a pool of blood forming that is fucking fast he looks like he's losing shit tons of blood and it's gone like right through his whole body and it's really hard to believe that he survives it is kind of it's a serious injury this one is also serious but it's not quite as crazy yeah this one I find is easier to believe that he can survive this one yes like you can survive this but you'll also yeah pass out from some but he's isn't a bunch of trouble and also the fact that the fight happens it's like yep got you oh that adrenaline's wearing off yeah yep though I guess somebody might say that it's like man pretty shit timing that like when you were there you had that little group of writers show up yeah the same same thing as the game these are these are normal storytelling issues you usually get with a lot of just people showing up at the the times that are optimal to facilitate conflict and drama yeah yeah and you can even say lucky it was just the one that followed them and attacks instead of attracting the like if it was all four at the same time they'd have been dead yeah and after he falls on the thing the game still makes you play as him for a little bit and it's very yeah he bleeds for a long time well it's just a slow walking sequence which is always fun in a game right but it really gives you the sensation as a player that he is in a super bad shape yeah yeah yeah and I will say I don't know why they did it but yeah the benefit you get with the sequence is seeing Ellie do a lot of the work you usually do and you know her Joel having to just desperately watch and I think there's a point where she almost dies and he has to just watch it uh but she you know just take out a guy though the one thing I remember is she kills a lot of people in that sequence loud because the kill count in the show is a lot less like we're talking about again an encounter with like four people is really scary and dangerous whereas in the game four people it's like that's like nothing that says belly anybody you know but yeah I don't know what can I say I like a lot of these adaptation changes I think a lot of this makes sense for the show I still think their performances are they're proving themselves really well both of them I feel like at this point it's just a massive cope to pretend like that they're not they're not doing really well in terms of the performance yeah I think so this is clearly is clearly good I don't know yeah I just feel like yeah if you're not giving this a chance and if you're just saying it's bad or saying oh Joel's not acting or that all the changes are bad changes or it's not like the game then I don't know I just I feel like there's a lot of stuff worthy of you know praise here well it's no walking dead but I suppose it's all right it's no army of the dead but I imagine people may be scared by the fact that we've got over Last of Us 2 references in this episode it's like maybe we all know it's on the way we know it's coming it will come but I mean surely I guess if it's gonna get set up if it's gonna happen right if it's gonna happen look how many changes we've made to Last of Us 1 and they there was no reason for them to change it in terms of pleasing the audience so to speak so I think that there's a good chance to change Last of Us 2 and if you've got several other creatives working on the show they might be like oh hey you know Neil probably not gonna have this this this happen because that doesn't make as much sense there's a possibility that'll happen and there's a possibility that through changes that it'll it'll be better but the thing is we I don't think we're gonna be dealing with Last of Us 2 before this season ends it's not they don't have time not substantially I don't think so because now we only have episodes 7, 8 and 9 and so it's like we know that the last one's gonna be all about the fireflies we know that we've got the one of them is gonna be a full flashback which to be honest with you I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next one I think the next one the next one might be the appropriate one actually yeah I in fact in fact I'm thinking about where episode where the the Ellie storyline like where the logical end point is is an episode and it seems like you wouldn't do that and then have the flashback and then yeah next episode gotta be gotta be the Ellie back story yeah and if you make 80% of it the Ellie back story that basically has you understand how much she's lost in her life and how much she cares about people and then you end it with the knowledge that she's managed to repair Joel so to speak and then set up maybe a couple things that was gonna be about in episode eight then you do episode eight and there's a payoff in that that I'm very much looking forward to how they're gonna do and then we will all be stressed out waiting for episode nine the whole world over that's gonna be a stressful one for sure but as for this one it just goes like another really solid episode yeah I mean and so many changes because like I was gonna say those those two guys we met at the beginning they were they were fun I liked them and uh yes yeah I liked them too a little bit of levity just people out in the middle yeah gives a look and it's like an implication of someone's in here and he recognized that but it's it's too late anyway because Joel just immediately says drop the gun but I like they says why didn't you shoot him and she just goes the guns all the way over there and like they seem mostly chill and fun like you said they've set up the map thing which I think was a really good choice a lot of smart carefully considered decisions in regard to introducing elements from the second game and condensing things the first game the seasons are quite important because it kind of serves as the narrative framework of the whole thing like you have these four big distinct chapters that are separated by seasons but here we just kind of skipped over the autumn season just the season like obviously the events that happen in autumn in the game that's like the whole finding Tommy at the damn thing which is not the Jackson camp or is it I don't go to Jackson the okay Jackson is often the distance but they don't go back they don't spend any time there right but they take the opportunity here to set up the Jackson location which I thought was a great idea why not get that out of the way the story more cohesive because they know the last was two is on the way but we'll have to judge it when it arrives yeah like I said there are tweaks that I consider improvements here and there not including when I limited to the rebar but also just I find the sequence with him and Tommy especially that they have several conversations to be more convincing I guess yeah yeah I still like it in the game and I still this is the thing I simultaneously I'm like Petra Pascal is playing the character Joel yes but they are different Joel's that's not a problem this Joel feels more haggard by life nothing's working quite like it used to he's getting on and he's so fucking tired of all of the shit he's had to go through while the game Joel feels more like I've been through so much it's made me like a terminator it's very compelling to watch especially when it gets the point of threatening people that he loves and he expresses love in a very sort of limited more manner while this Joel feels like he's more open to being vulnerable about his emotions they're slightly different men but I very much enjoy both characters quite a bit yeah I like that he's more likable here in the game he in this part he comes off as a real jerk well you know who's a bit of a jerk in the game at this part which I'm kind of glad they cut was Ellie finds out that he's planning on leaving her here or at least palming her off to Tommy and she runs off now because it's a video game you go after her and you have to fight like scores of bandits between where she was with you and where she went and like it's a game right so you kill them all and you're like fun game stuff now cut scene again that's emotional character stuff but it's like yes but that is an event that took place that means that that's what it's like Ellie how the fuck did you get past all these guys and secondly we all just nearly died getting back to you because you ran off because you're having a temper tantrum that is fucked up and I think like even brings that up and she's like oh I guess we both disappointed in each other and it's like okay and the fact that they're even there not many bandits I don't have to deal with Ellie doing that on a whim and causing that amount of danger and you know trouble and then them coming back this change makes it so well that's gone like I said the rebar going through him when I show the clip you'll see how intense it is and the amount of blood loss wow look at all that blood look at it oh my goodness there's so much look at how much blood there is my goodness and of course that's when he's been stabbed and then he gets yanked off the rebar which is gonna tear that wound even more I'm just saying I love the last of us all right but I think even when I was streaming it I was like I don't know if you would have survived this but okie dokie while in this show the woody's got I can very easily believe that he can be patched up I can believe he can survive through that yeah he'll need to rest a bit and this is kind of what I'm getting out in terms of improvements there are definitely flaws and definitely changes that we've highlighted before as well that that are bad I just hope people can accept that there are at least I feel like that one's categorical in terms of an improvement but have you considered an argument that I'm not aware of but you might find well of course we'll have a comment showcase next time and see if people have other ideas about what was taken away slash added through this episode but I was quite happy with this one as well I think five is still my fave but I really like this one yeah this one I don't think this one's top and five but that's okay it's just laying down more groundwork for it feels like again we're being very deliberate in terms of laying down the groundwork for the choice that Joel's going to be making in the finale as you mentioned earlier in the the whole thing of like just the perception of Jackson versus what Jackson actually is based on the accounts of the old couple feels like that I think you even signaled it it's like ooh it's like yeah that's an interesting one about the nature of perspective which is going to be relevant in terms of Joel's choice it just makes me a little bit less terrified about what's going to happen in the finale I think it's going to be hard for them to fuck up the flashback episode and then they have a really great blueprint for the cannibal episode and it's all down we said it's all down to that last one I feel like the rest of it is pretty easy sailing for them yeah and it may well be that the finale makes or breaks it but I guess I'm I get the impression that it's it's been thought through you know just come across that way and you know you look back and this is something that you really do have to consider now I've been made aware of a lot was going on with Picard right um for those who don't know for those who are completely unaware Picard season one and two are horrible stains on existence and Picard season three looks like from the very mouth of Gary from Neurotic from Drinker from Robert Meyer Burnett from Dave Cullen from several others that the new season is actually good that it's worth seeing which sounds insane right like imagine you had a trilogy from the offices of Disney and someone said well the rise of Skywalker is actually excellent you'd be like what for real like how just how you're following on from continuity of blah blah but they've seen I think I'm not sure if all four of them have but the four of them have seen a lot of the season while there's only one episode out I've seen a lot of people sort of reviewing episode one and saying like I'm out because they clearly haven't changed XYZ they clearly haven't led to this this that they've done this this this and it's interesting because I happen to know a couple of things that are going to happen and a couple of things that uh people are like oh they haven't done this so I'm out and it's like oh give them give them mmm just hang on patience and I think it was either episode three or four's coverage where I was like fucking hang on let let let this season do whatever the hell it's gonna do but I mean that with the last of us now isn't it interesting to look back after seeing this much and to be like you know Joel and Ali don't have enough time together you'd be like no they do especially after these three episodes and then it's like uh you know Frank and Bill they had way too much focus and it's like in retrospect it's like the longer the season goes on the less amount of time they'll have taken up in the season relatively speaking and like when you take it as a package I know you watch them episodes by episodes so you only gonna have these opinions right and it's like well then you're gonna have to acknowledge once you watch it as a whole thing and revise it as a yeah yeah it's gonna have to be revised when you say you've only seen three episodes and thus a whole third of the show being devoted to two characters aren't the main ones is a problem it's like I guess it would be under those very specific filters but you know we were never gonna see them again I think like we spent time with um Bill and like we spent time with Henry and Sam we're probably gonna get a bit of time with like David and his gang yes um and probably Marlene and the the fireflies this this is where I mean I am this this is where this way this episode didn't surprise me other than the um the change with that conversation with Tommy right but a lot of it doesn't surprise me but I'm I'm willing I'm expecting surprises when we get to uh the Cannibal episode and the last one in terms of like every single line is gonna be so important we'll get there when we get there I guess how long now until the show is just over is it three weeks well it'll be three weeks yeah three episodes three weeks been a fun ride it's right I hope it doesn't end with me saying well I don't recommend this I hope not I hope not but so far so good it's something that if they managed to maintain it to this level by the time we hit the end I would happily recommend it to a lot of people um it's a good way to consume the story of the last of us if you're not into playing games at all but hey maybe this will usher in the death of the superheros dominate everything it's the era of the video game adaptation starting with something like this moving on with Gears of War God of War Tomb Raider get us that Dead Space TV show do it it would be really good lots of stuff you could do with it in any case that's episode six thanks for watching folks we're getting there and we will see you next time yeah see you later everybody bye bye bye bye