 Good afternoon everyone Hopefully you can all hear me. Okay. Thank you for joining our session on the Nick V satellite data program My name is Charlotte Bishop. I work for KSAT and I'm also the program lead for the Nick V satellite data program And in fact the whole team is here. So I will do some introductions a bit as we go through the session today But but but firstly before we start We've got a few people in the room Maybe we'll have some more join us as they come back from lunch But I'm interested how many here have already used the Nick V satellite data program your hands up Okay, so maybe two-thirds of the room have used the program. Okay, this is good So for those who have used a program this will provide some updates on perhaps some some new Capabilities new partners that we're working with but also some very interesting case examples from country representatives And for those who haven't heard about the program you get all of that and more you get to learn a little bit more about What this program is and does and potentially how it can help you as well? So this program is perhaps a little bit different. I'm sorry This session is perhaps a little bit different to some of the other side events. We've had in this program We actually have a live technical demonstration as well to show you how some of some of these tools work online But but also we really do encourage your questions and feedback when we get to the Q&A session at the end So all of the presenters who are the demonstrating or speaking? We will do the speaking part of the program first and then we'll do the panel session at the end very similar to the other sessions So very quickly. I just want to introduce the There we go the agenda for today's session So we will shortly introduce Karina from Nick fee who will speak about Nick fees role in this program as the funders for this program I will give a bit of background and overview to to the program what it is what it does How you can access it and a few updates for those who are quite familiar with the program We will then have Eric from FAO giving us a demonstration and looking at some of these digging into the weeds a little bit with some of the Different tools available through FAO's open forest tools And then we're delighted to have three country representatives today from Ecuador La PDR and Uganda who are going to share their experiences of using this data So I think it's going to be a really nice panel session really good discussion And yeah, please do save your questions. We have I hope some ample time at the end for that So without further ado And so we can try and keep to time I would like to introduce Karina Hertzberg who is senior advisor at Nick fee, which is Norway's International and climate international climate and forest initiative Karina over to you Thank you so much Charlotte and it's great to be here. I'm very pleased to participate in one of a row of very good events during for the satellite data program and It's also very welcome to have the opportunity to speak about Nick fee and the background for for why we took this initiative and The experiences and that we see so far So I expect that a lot of you know Nick fee quite well but it's Norway's international climate and forest initiative is both Norway's largest international climate change initiative and it's Norway's largest biodiversity initiative It's under the Ministry for climate and environment It was launched by the Norwegian government in 2008 and we'll be running until 2030 at least this is through a parliamentary decision We have an annual budget of about three million three billion Norwegian kroner to help protect the world's tropical forests while improving the livelihoods of those living there and We work on a very broad arenas We work to bring together governments businesses indigenous peoples and civil society To help protect the world's remaining tropical forests There are three main objectives keeping global warming below 1.5 degrees and the absolutely Absolutely essential role that forests play in that Protecting biodiversity and there's a huge overlap when it comes to carbon storage and biodiversity in in forests and pursue sustainable development and To implement these three overarching objectives. We have seven strategic areas sustainable land use policies deforestation free commodity markets addressing forest crimes Transforming the financial sector protecting and securing rights. I'm indigenous peoples and using carbon markets to scale up financial support and finally transparency and I guess it needless to say to the audience that the do for I Transparency is key to all of these other issues all of the other target areas for Nick V Where when and why deforestation and forest degradation is happening is really a key enabler for progress on all of these other areas And it's also why we decided to initiate the satellite data program High-resolution satellite images were available before this program was launched in 2020 But it was expensive. It was sort of scattered and only available to a few for those reasons And and in our work with Tropical forest countries civil society a lot of the this broad range of actors that we had contact with but in particular the forest country governments we found out that There there were there was a need for this in high-resolution Satellite imagery it could fill important gaps. It could Make it possible to do much more rapid advances So we decided to do a pilot on making high-resolution satellite imagery freely accessible to everyone And that's our starting point as a principle that this data should be a global common good and I like to add that this perspective of open access of data as global common good is also the approach of the GFI so it fits very well with the GFI and GFI partners are among the most active participants and Contributors to making use of the satellite imagery such as the seapol project, which we'll hear more about The actual program is initiated through a contract Worth up to approximately 43 million US dollars with KSAT With Charlotte here as the project lead and the partners airbus on planet It's public procurement So we're buying the service of providing free access to high-resolution satellite imagery. There was quite a novel Form of public procurement for Norway. So it was a major process We're happy to share the experience The contract for the program was extended earlier this year for its final year which will and it will then run until September 2024 Users will be able to continue using the data that the program has made available Also after the determination of this contract We will learn more about this But some of the key elements that I'd like to mention is the Incredible growth in in users more than 18,000 registered users across the globe And that's just those that are registered users on the platform many more are Tim are getting the benefit of this data through platforms such as global forest watch and the Google Earth Engine So the actual number of uses is way bigger Users come from 158 countries around the world using data from 97 tropical countries basically covering all of the tropical forest areas of the world and The feedback we received In events such as this through reporting is that it has in many respects been a game-changer in understanding and responding to deforestation Governments of forest countries are leading the way and Also civil society private sector media indigenous peoples and the research community are using the data in different but impactful ways and The use of the data has been Somehow as expected, but we also seen some unexpected and surprising and really interesting uses of the data so Governments are using the data for improving their national forest monitoring understanding the drivers and validating deforestation alerts and to enforce regulations and to be able to effectively implement legislation Private sector use the data in their efforts towards deforestation free supply chains relevant not just to their voluntary commitments, but even more so with the upcoming regulation in the EU and We have seen a number of examples of Media using the data in very impactful investigative journalism So I'll close now very much look forward to hearing more about the experiences see the possible that is of uses but also see The rain some of the tools of how to make the best use of this satellite data Thank you Thank you very much Karina I think that was a very nice way to start this session to provide some context and and some reasoning as to what's led to this program And who better than to from for Nick fee to present that directly. So thank you very much again Karina So it falls to me to just do a very brief introduction to the program a reminder as I mentioned Or perhaps it's the first time that you've seen this so for those Small number in the room who maybe haven't come across this program I hope this information is helpful and and if you have more questions Please take the time to ask them towards the end or come and find us We will still be here during the exhibition session as well at the end of the day So I wanted to start kind of building on what Karina was saying in terms of the reasonings behind what led to this program I think this was a really nice visual example We work in Earth observation satellite imagery. We're quite visual people And I think this this is is something I think quite encapsulates really that what we're talking about here when we're talking about what Norway has invested in in this program So the image on the the left-hand side of the screen as you're looking at it is a landslide image So 30 meter pixels a very long historical archive back to the 1970s and has been used traditionally particularly since 2008 when the data became public for a range of different environmental monitoring and monitoring in general And and then we can compare that to the image on the right-hand side Which is the imagery that we have within the program. So this is five meter spatial resolution data So really quite a step change in terms of the level of detail that we can extract from the imagery and therefore when we're talking about Calculating and understanding the level of change We can do that at a much greater scale than we could do with the previously publicly available data So really as Karina was saying what the purpose of this program was is to break down those barriers of access That have previously been in place with commercial data and make this data more accessible But therefore more usable To a wider community and we'll talk a little bit about what we mean by that and how that data can be used by so many different users So this data really is designed to be able to Improve modeling improve understanding of forest management and that goes for deforestation But could also equally for restoration We have partners on board now who are much more looking at that topic as well So I think that's a really interesting for us As Karina also touched upon how how we have such a diversity also of applications of the data So the Nikfi satellite data program is kind of underpinned by this purpose The purpose is all about the tropical forests. How can we reduce and reverse those tropical for deforestation goals? And as we heard about this morning that the commitments ten year commitments to to deforestation reversal of deforestation And this this data program is is very much kind of sits with it within that So how can we use satellite data complementary with other sources of information that we use and how can we empower those on the ground? Including indigenous peoples as well to be able to improve their land management practices and their reporting So this is the coverage of the program So normally the coverage of the program is between 30 degrees north and south It's not in a direct straight line because it covers just the tropical forest countries and and some of those of course in in northern Africa, particularly don't have any tropical forests Which is why it's a little bit of an odd shape But but that's that's the coverage of the program is about 45 million square kilometers And and as Karina says about 97 countries However, actually the coverage we have just based on how the image data is actually made available It's about a hundred and three hundred and Between a hundred and three and a hundred and ten countries that are actually included in the in the imagery And every time we release an image and we'll talk a bit about the data specifics in a minute It covers the entire area So we don't just cover small portions and then you know keep Accumulating in that way every time we release a new image it covers the entire area you see on the screen I won't touch on this because we've already covered some of these But it's quite nice as a visual to see some of those Some of those impact measurements that that we've just heard about in in the welcome And that's really important for us as a program team To help understand how the data is being used where it's being used what applications And so it's it's great to see not only user stories that we collect directly from the conversations we have with users But also from the peer-reviewed articles that are now in scientific publications that speak to the use of this data And so I think it's really empowering to see how much more we're seeing now We are two and half years into the program And I think at this point as we move into the data products It's important to also tell you a little bit about the partners who are we so so we are a case that as mentioned So we're Kongsberg satellite services. We're an earth observation satellite data provider And we are working Directly with our partners planet who are Represented on this panel as well by Louisa, but we also have other planet team members in the audience And planets data is really the the bulk of what's being made available in this program So the data that's being made available from from planet is their planet scope product But made into a nick-fee designed because it meets their requirements mosaic so Continuous image that covers that region that we talked about and it's just under five meter spatial resolution And it's provided in the red green blue so visual bands But also for those who want to do more analysis is a capability to not only view that imagery in three bands Also for bands download that data and do those analyses that you have on the platforms that you prefer to use And from a cadence perspective we had as as we talked about the program started in September 2020 It runs until the September 2024 so every month since September 2020 We've released a new mosaic and all those monthly mosaics are available to everyone So if someone joins the program now they can still go back in time to access those previous mosaics Not only that, but we also have biannual mosaics, so every six months from 2015 to 2020 which also includes planet products Starting with rapid eye data and then moving into the planet scope product So all still at the five meter spatial resolution and in addition to that we also have excuse me have Airbus data So Airbus is also a key partner of the program and they're providing historical data access for a limited number of partners And that goes along with this a different tiered level of access that some of our partners have And I know some in the room have access to that data also and you may hear about that from some of our speakers And this data is provided under a non-commercial license. It's designed to be as open and accessible to everyone And in doing that we want to make sure that even if you have if even if you are a commercial Organization or even for commercial organizations, they're still able to get some benefit for their internal reporting. And so we do have other private sector organizations who have been using this data to this point as well as of course education research NGOs indigenous communities and and you know a lot of you in the room in the forest countries who are using this already So this is quite a nice I think it's a it's a heat map of sorts So the darker the green the more streaming of the data So this is a calculation of statistics just directly from the planet Explorer platform So this doesn't take into account the activity that's happening on the other platforms Which I will mention briefly but as you can see a hotspot for analysis here are really South America and also Indonesia and we see a lot less Activity in Africa and that's something definitely we'd encourage those discussions We want to hear more from users in Africa and and how we can collaborate more to ensure that you're able to use the data And the little inset map that you see there also shows where the users are from because a lot of the users who are Downloading and streaming this data are not necessarily from those countries So we see hotspots in in North America In Europe but also very much so in Brazil as you can probably see from the very dark green On the inset map So how to access the program and we have a QR code on the end slide So don't you don't need to write down this This this link at this time But all of our resources for the program are on one single page and that includes links then to other resources and other Information such as some of the Airbus data as well So on this page you can sign up for the program. You can ask questions to our help desk You can look at support resources including courses and webinars and other information So there's a quite a wealth of information on this page and sign up is free It's free for everyone and that as we've as we've said This is really designed to meet that purpose if you're using If you have a need for use of this data for the purpose of reducing deforestation I urge you to sign up if you haven't done so And this is just what the sign-in screen will look like when you get there and how this looks within the platform So we have two tools within planets Planets products if you're not familiar with those Planet Explorer on the left-hand side, which is that the baseline visualization tool has lots of other additional Functions that you can use within the program within the the user interface Which includes changing the color representation it includes doing screenshots And so you'll be able to take it very nicely kind of laid out with with metadata information of timestamps and such like Of a particular area of interest particularly if you're not so Used to using GIS But you can also do indices as well So if you're looking at vegetation health if you're looking at those kind of things those things you can do directly in the platform Also, and then in the planet base maps viewer, which is on the right-hand side You're actually able to then download Download individual tiles and if you're looking to download much more There are some other tools that you can use and I won't have time to talk about all of that today But but needless to say there's there's other ways that you can do that through different streaming And WMTS links and we have people in the room from planet who can help answer those more specific technical questions that you might have We also have integrations with other GIS tools Esri and QGIS have a plugin for planet And you can use your same login that you would use when you set up when you sign up for the program to access The same data sets within these platforms as well And once the data is released on planets platform. It's available everywhere So you there's no time lag then to wait for that data to be available in the tool that you prefer to use And there's lots of other places that you can access the data as well We're here a little bit about the open forest tools as shortly global forest watch as well Sentinel hub restore I will not talk about all of these but just to show that there is a lot of other Platforms that we know the community are using And if you don't see a platform here that you're using regularly come and speak to us Or we'd be really interested to hear I'll see if there's a way that we can Help support you in in the tools that are helpful for you And then we have outreach partners as well So the data is also hosted within Google Earth engine directly So you would be able to use your credentials To plan it once you've linked your account, which we have some instructions for how to do Then you'll be able to access all of the base map data directly through Google Earth engine also As I said, we have lots of other resources So I do encourage you to take a look at the at the planet comm slash Nikfi page As I say, we'll have a QR code at the end and you can learn a little bit more then And then just finally before I move on to To the next speaker is we also have other we often get asked about how to cite the data How do I reference this data program the data is public? But of course it's still you know, we want other people to know where where you've used that data So we do have citation guidelines and we do encourage you to share Please do share on social media if you're Twitter user Instagram user and and you can tag the program or LinkedIn And you can there are all of the information that you need is all provided in those resource Excuse me the resources that we have online So without further ado and we'll take some questions at the end So do take a note of those I want to pass the floor over to Eric who's going to give us a demonstration Eric Lindquist over to you Good afternoon everybody How's everybody day three the find the home stretch? So I have to tell a little story before I do this I was walking to work quite happily this morning in the sunshine kind of whistling a little tune to myself about how much fun this session is going to be today and I arrived in the office today and find that sepal the platform has Experienced one of its probably largest technical failures in the history of the platform and is Is down so if you've tried to log in to the platform today, I apologize. We have a wee bit of it It's a tiny problem and we have our top people working on it But all is not lost. What's that? What? Was it you was it you I Mean inspirates fun to inspire people to try new things, right, but then this happens and Anyway, but we have a test we have a test server, so we're gonna go off the test server This is for our internal testing purposes only so please don't try to sign up for this one This is just for the purposes of the demo today So there were two-thirds of the room have are familiar with the Nikfi planet I just quickly who uses the Nikfi planet data or the base maps for analysis purposes for like analytics Who uses it for visual like visual inspection of data or of things? Who uses it to tweet pretty pictures to to people there we go, okay, cool Okay, well, I just I just want to give a really quick demonstration of how of how Generically useful these data are especially on the analytics side so to quickly create something Like a classification it can be done in I'll be doing the demo today in in sepal But of course can be done in in any geospatial Platform really including Google Earth engine and we will be accessing the the planet base maps via Google Earth engine In the back back behind the scenes here So the first thing I want to do is just so I'm inside the sepal platform. I have registered for Nikfi planet data I have registered for Google Earth engine and I have connected my It's a bit of a contorted initial process but you connect you you tell Google Earth engine that you're a planet user and you can connect all those things together and Access the imagery directly through Earth engine and then if you are a sepal user you can log in to sepal You can add a recipe You can say I would like to add a planet mosaic recipe You can pick any country in the world Oh, you can sorry This is better You can pick any country you'd like in the world if you pick a country outside of the bounds of the Nikfi planet imagery Project, then there will be just a black screen. So I would recommend picking one covered by the data You can choose what country should we choose? Come on, Mohammed. Okay, Fiji Let's choose Fiji So we'll Go to Fiji so that we can see the deadline issue first hand so we can choose the time period so as as Charlotte mentioned we have monthly data available From like these days back to 2020 and then before 2020 we have every three months and Or every six months We will take advantage of the monthly data we have available to us and we will do let's see We're looking at January to current day to today using Nikfi basemaps and With luck we will be taken to Fiji and we will be creating we will be using the five monthly basemaps to make a median pixel composite using the the data that were available for the for the last five months or Yeah, I think the May the May data is probably available the May basemap is available Right. Yeah. No, not yet. Not yet. Right. Sorry. Still may And so there you are you have Your cloud-free Mohammed you have your cloud-free best pixel composite of Fiji so and you have that you know in a matter of a few seconds really What you do with that then you can change the the way those imagery appear You can use the natural color or you can use the Infrared and I guess the point I wanted to make here is that Not only are they like pretty pretty pictures, but you can actually now do stuff with these data I'll go back there. I can save this Planet Fiji I can just save that mosaic and Now if I want to do something with that mosaic I can add Another recipe I can call it classification. I can add that Imagery that I just created Planet Fiji Let's just choose all the bands except for blue and green for sake of Sorry, still not close. Am I too close or not close enough? Am I good? Oh, sorry Don't tilt my head, okay Okay, I got I Know I'm sorry All my shortcomings are are being are being on display for you all here today right now Whoo, is it hot in here? Okay, so quickly quickly quickly so you can just call this. Let's just call that forest. We'll just call that other and Then you can now I'm really self-conscious about where and you can collect You can collect training data. Oh wait. Sorry. I don't know how to use there we go So if I want to just Anyway Sorry, I'm I'm shook up now Why is it not anyway? What's that? Okay, thank you what I wanted to say and I'm just going to stop here actually But I wanted to say that these data are easily accessible You can actually use them to do classification change detection all at a very high spatial resolution We're building ccdc assets with the data now so you can actually then create from monthly base maps You can create slices at any point in time during the during the Length of time that the imagery have been acquired and all sorts of really cool stuff So if you are interested in using those data the sepal platform will someday be working again and you can you can join that and In the meantime, I think it's most important that we hear from our country representatives here today about what they've been Doing with the data, but it's been a boon. It's been it's been a gig it has been changing the game for us and how we do things and what we can see and it's it's been Just wonderful to work with with this team with these data and you know, thanks to Norway for for making this happen Really, it's been excellent for force monitoring. Thank you done Thank you so much Eric and please do go and speak to Eric if you want to learn more and see a demo That isn't doesn't have a time lag because live demos are always a little bit of a challenge. So Well done for persevering Eric and thank you for the demonstration So it's it's my pleasure as I said at the start to be able to have three country representatives in person here today So I would first like to introduce Shimena Herrera Who is a forest specialist at the national system monitoring of forestry the SM SNMB the Ministry of Forest in Ecuador. So Shimena the floor is yours Okay. Thank you. You can hear me now And I'm going to speak in Spanish I understand and speak a little English, but I think I can express myself better the details that I want to share with you in my own language And in advance, I apologize to the translators because sometimes when I get excited talking about what we do in Ecuador I speak a little fast. I'm going to try to speak slowly so that I can translate Well, then I'm going to tell you a little In the context of how the national forest monitoring system works in Ecuador, because with this context and the precedents of how the system works Well, I'm going to be able to talk a little more about the specific use that we make of the images of NICFI So in the context my country in its surface of continental Ecuador has around 24 million hectares, which is more or less like the size of what I saw now the speedlands of Indonesia, so It's a fairly small country on the surface, but with a high diversity in that territory. We have 95 types of ecosystems, of which 65 are forest ecosystems Additionally, we have around 15,000 hectares of No islands, but if the marine surface is also part of the territory Then with this context of the continental Ecuador, also with the marine surface and the islands Well, we have several areas under conservation, which are part of the national system of protected areas Under the mechanism of forest and vegetation protectors Under incentives for conservation, such as the social forest program areas belonging to the under the protection of hydropower areas of hydropower in itself Forestal heritage Biosphere reserves and connectivity runners. This is also added to the agreements of UZU and Custodia Manglar of the Manglar ecosystem So around Between what is protected and what is protected in the continental territory We have around 25% of the territory under some category of management conservation And this is already starting to present some challenges also for monitoring In this context also It is not true, we in some way to group These objects that represent the landscape and relate them with the vigorous normative We talked about the national forest heritage The national forest heritage is not only made up of forests, but all the existing ecosystems And this national forest heritage represents around 58.85% of the territory Continental The forest surface we have around 12,325,000,000 hectares And a forest surface in percentage would be 49.5% We have identified the losses and the forest cover But also these reductions due to deforestation or the increase in deforestation For example, 2020 is a very strong period Due to the pandemic and social conditions The issues related to the use of the landscape and the socio-economic conditions That show us that forests are very vulnerable to these extreme events Also to consider Because there may be different articles or different press notes That say that Ecuador has a very high deforestation rate And maybe it has a very high problem regarding the rest of the rates in South America But we also have to put this in the context of this small surface Why? Because with regard to its population My country is one of the densely populated countries in South America That means that the accessibility to forests also represents a form of its use that makes them vulnerable To contextualize, I will give the antecedents of the monitoring system We have to consider that the policies or the areas of application are related to the need for information To have information that represents that context or those characteristics of the territory But they are also related to the forest management and governance The national climate change strategies The national biodiversity strategy All these strategies that are then political and applied through programs They need information, not only for their conception, but also for their evaluation of the impact they are having And also in Ecuador, there are spaces that are not directly under the administration of the environment I will talk a little about what are the areas protected by the national forestry And these are managed through programs and projects Such as the forest management system, forest control, a program called Amazonia Sin Fuegos And the national forest restoration program All these also need information from the beginning Their evaluation in the midterm and also to see what is the impact after the implementation So with this sense, in Ecuador, the national forest monitoring system is multipurpose And in this context of multipurpose, it is also transformed into a multi-scale monitoring system Maybe that is a more familiar topic with people who are geographers or cartographers But it is very important to also have that concept of the scale Because according to the scale that I am going to represent an object They are also the insumes and the methodology with which I can apply them So our multi-scale monitoring system is multipurpose It is in charge of generating information at a national level But also information at a regional level and local information And for that there are different types of methods, of instruments, of tools With which we do that lifting of information So there comes the use of images, and how this has helped us now Well, we are doing this conceptualizing the national forest monitoring system Since 2010, they started with independent projects within the Ministry That have the expertise of environmental management Then in 2014, they joined these projects and we began to contextualize the monitoring system In 2016, we began to work as a specific forest monitoring team And go ahead to generate different types of information Different that have been used in reports and also for the evaluation of policies We usually start with use of what is available in countries like mine It is very important to make sure that the generation of data is also related to that sustainability That I have to implement, to capture data of a type of consumption So, thanks, for some time now, the images have been released So it is our first basic line, or our main source of data to generate the monitoring of being launched However, Lanza also has its limitations and its advantages It is the oldest historical series that is kept and constant But it also has the limitation that in small countries, or when you want to identify small objects It is more difficult to do it So, in 2017, we began to do this first use of the images planer Really to evaluate the exactitude of the earth's covering maps That we generated only until that moment So, what we used was the base maps that could be built at that moment Because they were a number of visualizations that could be connected to a system of information And from the different specialists that worked at that moment to be able to evaluate this Well, and so we continued to use them this way in 2018-2019 However, in 2020, we began to incursion in a proposal of changing methodology And there, the use of images in a methodology that is no longer based on map, wall-to-wall A certain coverage of the earth, not more, to identify changes, but the direct detection of changes So, it began to be used in the images planed, this base map itself To evaluate the exactitude of the direct detection of changes All of this, we have been working on a single scale In 2021, when this initiative was born from the NICFI satellite program We were part of being able to access an understanding card Where we could have access to level 2 for the use in forest monitoring processes So, we have the use of a few licenses at level 2 With which we began to work on more things related to those multi-purpose processes that the monitoring system has One of them, maybe I went too fast, but it is, for example, starting to work on monitoring and tracking Of the previous places that they want to apply an incentive for free deforestation Ecuador has been betting on creating these initiatives of certification related to sustainable production And free deforestation So, now, the monitoring of that specific process is done with satellite images of the NICFI plan Based on that historical information that we had generated with LANSAT But, nevertheless, the monitoring specific of those places, we are doing it with the NICFI plan Well, it did not update well in the last part, but in 2023 we are incorporating more use For example, for the national forestry evaluation, which is where the process of the national forestry inventory is in Ecuador It is also part of the monitoring system, because the evaluation of those units of sample Where we have to go to get some information from the field It is also done with this type of information, before we had it for the design stages But now they are also using it in the national forestry evaluation Another process that is also oriented in the monitoring system is to provide information About the monitoring and tracking of deforestation in the territory The forest control is quite important because it is a direct nation to control what is happening in the territory So, in Ecuador, the national forestry monitoring system provides information Of early alerts, which are also generated by different types of instruments available Mainly radar, validated with information, and landed with information from the NICFI plan Because they are generating a lot of alerts, but not all of those alerts are positive And false and positive ones too, and to deliver that to the field personnel So, in order to verify all of that, we would need a much more extensive personnel And much more resources for that logistics So, in order to go to the right places, where there are these deforestation focuses More recent, monthly, 15-year-olds, it is also used in the information of the NICFI plan To validate that information Yes, I think so, I just need to... Ah, the examples, right? So, in this sense of the things that I have been telling you about these processes Well, in the work lines that Karim explained, it is not true About policies and use of the land, about carbon markets and international structures Transparency, free markets of deforestation and forestry delights Because we are also using this information to the monitoring system to provide this type of information So, they verify, as I told you, changes of land coverage for the distinctive green initiative Free deforestation It is the control of the areas that have permission and forestry use To identify major changes that allow for the extraction of resources That do not transform the extraction of resources or management in deforestation The monitoring, that is a specific example It can be detected in a better way, really, with these insumers, versus if we only use Lanzato Sentinel So, for sustainable forestry management, forestry management is using What I was telling you about forestry national evaluation This is no longer the characteristic of the fact that when we made the design of forestry national evaluation Now the units that we are going to find in Calpo will have some kind of alteration And we are already starting with the analysis of how much this is going to impact In the necessary sample to improve our second forestry national evaluation process The monitoring of the mangrove The mangrove is a fragile ecosystem, determined by law, that cannot be topped It has some infractions, the value of the infraction And the penalization of that is very high It is around $86,000, the hectare of mangrove lost That is the infraction that is being committed So, it has to monitor the mangrove ecosystem very well And also because the mangrove ecosystem, these mangrove areas that we have in Ecuador They are incorporating this, that I was telling you about the agreements using mangrove That are areas where the communities that live around the mangrove Are extracting, in a sustainable way, the products such as the concha, the conch, the algae And the use of bioemprendiments That is another policy and other activities that are being implemented quite strongly in Ecuador We have also been using the ability to complete the empty information And in the evaluation of that attitude Of the estimation of emissions, of this new methodology With what we are implementing to estimate the emissions by deforestation and degradation We have already changed that methodology Of monitoring wall-to-wall, the count of pixels for the estimation of emissions To a methodology of areas based on ours It does not mean that we stop making maps As I told you, the monitoring system is multipurpose And for those purposes there are also different forms of information With which it can be done These types of methodologies are not really spatially explicit In the areas based on ours But they are more of a statistical form of being robust And improving the uncertainties associated with the estimation of the emissions However, for sonifications and prospects The map data is still needed We are managing different types of processes Different types of information But now we are also using the plan of NIFI For this issue of empty information The methodologies of estimation of emissions are not based on the use of plan of NIFI Because the historical series goes much further than what is available But it is incorporating in the methodology As I told you earlier, one of the main problems we have in Ecuador With the use of remote sensors and satellite images It is because of the high diversity we have These 91 types of ecosystems that we have It is due to the Cordillera de los Andes The influence of all this Amazonian humidity And all the humidity that comes from the Pacific So, a highly diverse country With dry ecosystems, hyperimmetals, high-end ecosystems We stop them There are also other types of turrets Which are important That I also took into account Not sentimental at this moment But all this has Ecuador So, also generating information To be able to do direct control Of where the deforestation is happening Because it is very important And this is conjugated with the information That is raised in the field of verification And forest control Well, this is part of the team that I wanted to show you And well, the line of challenges Is how we can ensure That the methodologies The monitoring procedures That are simply multi-scale And multi-purpose Ensure this availability of information Now we know that the NIFI plan Is a couple of years more That is very good It gives us the opportunity to continue Exploring and incorporating methodologies With these insumes But also how do we do this That is a long term for countries Like mine Where the financial resources are quite small That is why we rely a lot on the network And we rely a lot on payment for results Because it needs to be well analyzed Not all the time We will have the excessive financing To always change the methodology Or use new insumes That can represent a spending That I will not sustain in time So that is the main challenge That we have here In the Ecuador with regard to the use Of satellite information But thanks to these new initiatives We are doing things better Thanks I can agree I think the interpreter did a fantastic job Because it was a very speedy presentation But you had a lot to cover And it is certainly very comprehensive The work that Ecuador are doing So thank you very much I hope there will be some questions And discussion when we get to that point It is my pleasure now To introduce Sampavi Kyoka From Laos, PDR He is part of the forest Inventory and planning division Sorry, in the department of forestry Sampavi, over to you Thank you Unfortunately, no translation For Laos Good afternoon everyone My name is Sampavi I am working at the forest inventory And planning division Department of forestry At the start I would like to introduce Where is Laos Some of you might do Some of you might not Landlock country Right in the middle of Southeast Asia With the area of about 23 million hectares Based on the latest Assessment of forest covers Laos forest cover, the current forest cover Is around 57% That includes the plantation And we have also the forest land Or another one is called regenerating vegetation Which is covering 26% of the country So The strategy Of Laos is to reach 70% Through Enhancement forest management Law enforcement And intensify Plantation forest plantation Especially in the production Forest area Same COVID Sorry about that So Since in 2016 The PM Or the number 15 to ban the locking The locking ban was established And many many Project in the Laos has collaborated To introduce Law enforcement program By developing the locking monitoring To control the lock So basically We used the planet before The NICFE program was started So the many project in Laos was Co-operating, financing to Provoke here this satellite data With the high accuracy And in 2019 So now With the PM Number 15 was in place So the JICA started developing The The monitoring and the MRV For the first MRV And we started using the The planet data And in 2020 So the start of NICFE program And department of forestry With co-operating with the JICA We developed A near real time forest monitoring Co-provincial deforestation monitoring System using Sentinel-2 and the planet As a monitoring tool Which utilizes NICFE Through the OLDM To monitor the locking area In concession area To monitor the locking in concession area Using NICFE So the first MMR Forest Decasion monitoring level Money planet was used to Sample-based assessment conduct Using collected online And also the IGFL post check Also assess the planet level 2 So to enhance the transparency Of the report. So after the meeting After the workshop in Danang Have a chance to talk with Eric So we requested Whether we can have access to level 2 So the FAO was Greatly provide us with access to level 2 And we have been sharing this With the department of forestry And the department of inspection To use the level 2 daily So in our future plans We Will have level 2 To assist the real-time monitoring So as a current system We were able to detect Only money using Sentinel Only 2 weeks, every 2 weeks Using Sentinel, sorry And we verified what is there That with the NICFE Using the money data From NICFE But I hope in the future We can get more precise Like Eric mentioned yesterday That can be happened in 3 days So we can validate the detection Of the deforestation So I would like to take the opportunity To introduce some of the Deforestation monitoring that Happened in Laos So this is the PNMDAS Provincial Deforestation monitoring So basically NICFE Will be on the provincial site So the provincial staff will detect Will run the And flag the deforestation So it is in the In this row And then the provincial staff Will send The flagged deforestation Flag to the district level With coordinating with the villagers Also this one also use the NICFE As a base to confirm whether This is real deforestation or not Because to reduce the time Or the resources to send The field team to the wrong place So we need a little bit Precise detection And this one So now The project has expanded to Almost all over the country And the provincial staff have Access to NICFE level one Through both WMGS Streaming or the Planet level one And these are the project that Happened in Laos and we start Training for most of the country already So this is the interface of PDMS So you can see where we flag So where the field team need to go And when the field team Submit the data on the field It will go back to the centre And restore the data with the information On deforestation with the pictures on the field This is another one Laos country We don't have much access Especially in the rural places So the offline maps From the application using mobile phone And free streaming using the WMGS from the planet Is very, very useful here So we can create an offline map In their phone and they can go Directly to the field without the internet So you can stream very high resolution Satellite image on the field And with level one we have some Issue, we start training many Many provinces and there is Limitation in level one Where you cannot download So maximum you have limitation In downloading the maps So after the FAO provide the level To access this issue has been solved So we can unlimited Downloading the maps on the app So many provinces staff And even district they can use The offline map on the field So this is very, very, very good And another one is Operational locking Decadation monitoring system So again this one has developed Mainly on law enforcement to Detect illegal locking Or to monitor the locking area Inside the concession So basically again in the component The planet data was used here And field validation Same thing with the previously With combination of The Delta R MBR to detect The very small disturbance in canopy Then we confirm with the planet And then we go to the field Whether to see the locking For the full Information on these two system We were presented in the GFI session In Danang so you can look back In the website and see the full presentation System So this is example of the You can see the locking area Clearly using the Planet The yellow circle And We also monitor The fire Because it has counter a lot of Fire that caused by the human So we have no fire break and then Fire spread and we try to Assess the damage as soon as possible But unfortunately the daily image Was so much haze So we cannot see So there is some issue with the planet But we still Have the high resolution image After the events happen So we can estimate how much Area has been burned The team need to know how much Area has been destroyed by the Fire So let's go to the next step To build a framework And connect the alert With the activity data This is the plan to use These two system To connect With the activity data For the next importing Hopefully And then the upcoming new product We will be able to To visualize the planet Like the others Hopefully coming soon And we can access it Through the program And best For the disturbance We will be able to monitor The forest degradation and Contract the drivers With a specific Which will lead to the EU This frustration free Thank you so much That was Fascinating to see the collaboration That is something That is great to show About this program Is the collaboration with FAO And with other institutions You mentioned as well Maybe it will come up in the Questions as well There are potential opportunities For further collaboration With partners involved And more strategic users Such as FAO, particularly for This audience of country representatives Thank you very much. As we move On to the last but by no means Least speaker in this session I would like to introduce Brenda Anisia Who is the remote sensing Officer for the national forestry Authority in Uganda And as we talked about African countries have some of the lower Use of the satellite data program It is fantastic that you hear Brenda and look forward to hearing About activities with the Data program. Thank you so much. Introduced My name is Brenda And I work as a remote sensing Officer at national forestry Authority Uganda My presentation will be About the quick work we do At the national forestry Authority and what We have done so far And how we use planet data So that's a quick background About NFA It was established in 2003 Under the national forestry And tree planting act And NFA The national forestry authority Manages 506 Central forest reserves That comes up To 1.2 Million hectares The NFA also prepares Vegetation cover maps All land use land cover maps Every after two years With the priority based on Its mandate to produce forest cover Statistics for the country So The history dates back In 1990 Since NFA Was producing this data And the data 1990 Was produced using Sport imagery But for the years 2005 2010 and 2015 And 2017 The approach was landsat But going forward from 2019 We have been using A sentinel due to its better resolution And also Sentinel helps us to capture More forests as compared to the Landsat because we're interested In the wood lots, the very small That are about half a hectare So the activity data And emission factors produced By NFA helps in reporting National reporting and also International reporting And also so many government Programs So displayed there Are forest types we monitor In Uganda We have the planted Or plantation forests We have the broadleaved Or coniferous On the left it's broadleaved And on the right coniferous And these are basically just man-made Or like you here planted Forests And the tropical high forests They are those that are well-stocked And low-stocked or We could call them degraded But degraded may not be Because some of them naturally occur Like that it could not be A degradation That they have been degraded But it's a natural occurrence So the Well-stocked are the ones with A close canopy and they are Reaching species there Biodiversity and Yes We also have the open forests We call them the woodlands And these woodlands Have shorter trees as Compared to the natural tree Natural, I beg your pardon They are all natural forests But as compared to the tropical high These Woodlands at least For an area to qualify To be a woodland It needs to have trees That can attain a height of four meters Yes, even though a canopy is not so close But if we have trees At least Four meters high Yes, they qualify to be forests In an area of one hectare So the woodlands They are riverine Woodlands and they are also dry area Woodlands and these dry area Woodlands occur Mainly in the dry Dry areas of the country So woodlands are classified as Closed trees Open trees over open trees It can also be classified by Stock levels like high, medium, low This played before us There is a land cover Perhaps for Uganda One for 1990 and 2019 So If we look at the Northern Point from here The northern part of the country We can see that we had some good green As compared to 2019 That means Uganda has lost Its forests over the years as well So Now applications of necphi Planet data in Forests in Uganda We can use In Uganda we use it for different purposes Collecting training data For our classification Papers says Collecting reference data for Accurate assessment Validation of our maps They can be land cover maps Or they can be change maps That we get from BFAST OCCDC change They can be used for preparing field maps We also use them for monitoring Restoration and forest deforestation As well So that is just a snippet Of how we Adopt planet Necphi planet data for Collecting reference data for Accurate assessment And that is One for training data collection Because CEPAL has Given us Through the CEPAL platform To access these images At least the advantage of the necphi Is that you can select the year It's not like the Google satellite That you're going to use And you're not probably sure of when You are collecting the information So we also use it to Validate like I said before The land cover changes there The validation has been done Within QGIS Software Change and planet Necphi Was used to validate the change For that particular area And monitoring forest That is one of our Central Forest Reserves in Uganda It's in the western part of the country Kagora Central Forest Reserve Yes, it has really undergone A huge destruction between 2018 and March this year We can see In black Around Just these areas Yeah This part was a huge loss And we can also see that There is a Plantation establishment Within the same forest reserve Like some of these areas that were degraded Before They've been planted Yes, they've been planted So planet helps us To generate this information Of course without having to go on ground We can't get to know that At least yes It is getting like destroyed But also there is some intervention That has been taken At the same time So that is one of our Central Forest Reserves That is located Also in the western side of the country In Uganda most of the forest are in the Albertine region due to the climatic conditions So most of our tropical high forests Are in the Albertine as compared To other parts of the country There was gold mining In this reserve in 2019 But we can see that in 2022 At least It has stopped So the forest is regenerating back So that was This is for Bugoma And it's a quick video For imagery It's not going to take so long A short video Starting from March Sorry, starting from 2019 Over the years How the forest has been Changing Mostly in this region So this information can be Helpful to us To inform the management of what is happening And so that precaution Can be taken ahead of time So that is it We can see that here has been A huge loss in 2023 So yeah, we have some Few challenges with this planet data There are certain Regions in the country that are covered By the tough clouds Like the mountainous areas There it is very hard to use This data for monitoring And also the base maps are a bit Heavy for use like in QGIS If you don't have very good Computer, if your computing power is not Good, you will take Some good time to load it Into your machine And also it is not possible for us To know what happened before 2015 But nevertheless This has been very helpful for us Because we had merely no Option of validating Without going on ground But next to the planet Program came in handy and we are able To validate our data And yes, even if we don't go on ground At least we know we have an alternative So next steps We hope that someday We can use planet To produce our land cover maps And yes Eric is here Will also request him to give us Access to the level 2 as well So that I was Yarning to see His illustration because Myself have tried to do a classification Of my country but I have always failed Thank you Thank you so much, Brenda That was really fascinating to see See what you are doing and again Highlighting the value of the collaboration And the capacity building With FAO as well So we are on time We have now time For questions We will run a little bit into the coffee break But I have been assured by Tom that is allowed Because we started a bit late So we have about 10-15 minutes To take some questions From the floor to anyone on the panel And I can already see a hand up So Marco will take your question first And then we will check with questions And comments online Thank you very much Marco Garcia here from AID Environment and International NGO My question will be directed Either to Karim Or to Luisa And it's about the continuity And I assume that many of us Here are wondering About the continuity We saw great examples From different countries But I'm joining Jimena As coming from the Civil Society community We were very happy that The program was extended to 2024 But I assume that many of us Are wondering what would happen after that So if you have some insights about it That would be very interesting To know Thanks Karina, are you able to speak to that Perhaps Thank you For the question Which I expected And We fully understand That basically everyone is asking That question And so I'll outline Where we are at the moment And I think we can sort of Take it from there So in short Where we are is that Our current support runs out In September 2024 That's the end of the contract Our budget situation Doesn't allow continuation Of support at this level We believe that it's been A very successful pilot Even though there is A half we already Feel very confident that this Has been a really successful pilot And an innovative approach It's shown huge importance Of actually having free access To this high resolution satellite imagery We're also strengthened In our belief that this should be A global public good And especially in light of Ongoing climate crisis And NATO crisis And the increase in several uses And we are also Encouraged to see that this Perspective seems to be shared by A lot of actors including Basically participants at the GFI plenary Large partners that We are working with in Staffing de Forte station, large Institutions This is our impression Including those that have Ongoing long term roles And responsibilities for Earth And the development of satellite imagery And Throughout This understanding We want to initiate a dialogue With others that would be Interested in joining forces To support the global good That this satellite imagery is And that's where we are And so we are Saying two things at the same time Our contract has an end date We are not We can continue support at that Level. We think as a public Global good We wish to initiate a dialogue With those that Can play that role Our understanding Is also that The EU's Copernicus program Will in their next generation of Satellites have high resolution Satellite imagery available But only after 2030 And I think that's an important element To take into account And so We encourage all of you to convey This message to anyone you think might be People who should talk to us About this and are in a position To Sort of share The responsibilities perhaps Thanks. Thank you Karina It's a difficult question to answer And I think it's certainly one that we Also anticipated would probably be One of the things that we I think it's important that we Get a perspective in the room And for those listening online And in that regard If we maybe move online I don't know if we have any comments Or questions. We have about 50 People online listening. We do. I think we have a lot Of comments. Thank you for the Presentations to everyone. The audience is very pleased And is complimenting you all. So I think we have a lot of questions That we want. I can probably get To you those. And we have two Questions. One will be for Lao Now we have more. One will be for Lao. And it's regarding the Set up of your cloud infrastructure And to try to understand a little If you could speak a bit about the Effort to set that up. And how do You maintain it. And how costs And resources are Challenge or not. Yeah, please go. Okay. Thank you for the Questions. Okay. At the beginning, the basic Concept of setting up the forest Decadation or the PDMS System is to Make it easy for The provincial And district staff to use. So with this System, you don't need much Knowledge of remote sensing. All the detection will be done By those collaboration With Jaika and the team, the technical Team. So the end product is very Very, very easy to use. The guys who are the people Who in the province was able to Identify the The deforestation area. And the provincial is a little bit of Training they can use. They can easily Use the system and collaborating With the district people. And the district people that With the access to the area Together with the village team They go to the area and mark the area Take the pictures and send back All the data will be collected into The system And in the central. And we quickly See the result of that. So for the challenges At the beginning Like I mentioned during The presentation, we have We use the Sentinel as the Detection tool. Sentinel have two weeks Two weeks Revisiting period. So then after that we need to Verify whether this is real or not With the planet, with the more High resolution But For the monthly Nikfi, when the Sentinel detected But not the monthly for Nikfi, for the planet to Detect the same thing. So we get Kind of confused with this. And in the future I have a little bit discussed with Eric How we integrate this Into the coding behind and replace The Sentinel coding with the Nikfi daily. So we have more Three days and you have varieties of And during the beginning During yesterday presentation, I think More observable Can produce high Confident detection. So that Will be very good to reduce the cost on the So the main challenge is I think For the capacity building. So we need To do a little bit of time with the Provinces with many people uses. So we need to identify clearly What they really need on the ground. So we know we can When it was the resource, the right way. Thank you. Thank you, Sampavi. And we will come Back to the online questions. I know there's a couple of others. But there's a gentleman back. He had Your hand up please. Thank you very much. I'm a member of the European Space Agency. You talk a lot about high resolution And we talked about the Sustainability of this programmatic Approach. I think it's all about The value proposition. And I think that the focus On the high spatial resolution Is maybe a little bit overshadering The whole thing. I mean, you Showed us early on a comparison Of a cloudy, landsat image Compared to a clear planet image. I think this doesn't really do Let's say very good justice To the comparison of open data Versus the commercial one. I think there's a lot more to the Planet data that you could raise here. And it shouldn't be me doing the Value proposition for planet. But I think it's much more about The high frequency, right. That the data gap feeling on the Temporal aspects That you could focus on. I think it's really possible in the Tropics just using Copernicus or landsat imagery, I Assume. That said, I think the long-term Value proposition could also be About complementarity, right. You can't do everything with open Data and it's certainly not Cost efficient to do everything With commercial data. So especially in the tropics, if You combine planet and others With, you know, open data From landsat, but also radar imagery, Right, where you can address the cloud Issue. I think that's where you Can aim for a more Sustainable approach and I haven't Really seen this in the discussion Today at least. So, you know, Just flagging it and putting it out There. Thank you for your comment. I think it's very Valid and yes, certainly It wasn't intentional to Have an oversight Necessarily on the cloud cover issue. I mean, the high resolution is Important because it's a different Level of detail. It provides Different types of insights, but as You say, I mean, planet and perhaps Louisa may wish to comment on this As well as she represents planet. The cadence of imagery really Allows us to build this Continuous mosaic and provide Something as cloud free as Possible and then speak to Your point just briefly before Maybe I hand to Louisa to Talk a little bit about what Is related to the radar data. Now, radar is not part of this program So that's why it's much more focused On optical data that was Fully in line with the Requirements from Nick Fee as Part of this initiative, but Absolutely agree with you. Radar is Extremely complimentary resource. We know a lot of users are also Using radar as part of their Analysis, but I think it's important To note that this program is The number of partners who are Helping users be able to get the Most from the data with the Collaboration efforts, but it's An excellent question and Louisa, I don't know if you would like to add Anything to that. Well, I would even say that Karine may want to add something, But I think we see the program And the data as very complimentary So it's not a one stop shop for A solution and all the Practitioners are actually the Comparisoners and it's an ongoing Dialogue and I think this really Speaks to the experimental Character of the program as a Joint global experiment of to What extent higher resolution and Higher frequency is bringing us Closer to having a solution Versus or together with other Kines of data and we all know We need data from all kinds of Sensors, we need a lot of boots On the ground and we know how That connectivity is really Very, very important. Which I was really happy to hear About throughout the whole gfoy. So I think this is great. It's great that you're commenting On this and we are definitely Also thinking about that and Nikfi for sure. I am sure and everyone else in This space. I'll just pass to Karine to Comment as well. Just briefly and agree with Louisa that it's not just And as Louisa also said That this is really a pilot. It's sort of experimental in That sense. We address this because In our work at Nikfi Primarily through the dialogue We had with forest countries We perceive this to be an Important bottleneck. That isn't to say that it Would solve everything of Course and But I think we can still Now see that it has been Very important that it does Open up a lot of possibilities For addressing deforestation That were more difficult Before. But again, it's not sort of the End all solution to All of the issues around forest Monitoring. Thank you for the question. I'm conscious of time. We'll take one more question Online and one more from the room. We have a question for Uganda And it relates And I think I'm going to bring it A bit to the higher level because It relates up to the use And the consumption of forest Wood and household and domestic Uses. And I think here the question Underlying it is that it's Related to the drivers of deforestation And to what extent you're finding This kind of data to support you And I did define drivers in how To support forest authority And how easy or hard it is To have that kind of data Not only from the remote sensing But also from the field Survey sensors, et cetera. Okay, thank you for the question. Well, I did not present The whole national forest Sorry, national forest monitoring System for our country But we have Field staff on ground That are employed by the National Forest Authority And we have A system that we call The National Forest Alert monitoring system Similar to what Kenya presented What happens is that There is A form we design Like for using ArcGIS of the 123 For them to use using their Smartphone and when they are patrolling If there is anything They found on ground Say it's a positive Or negative incidence For example, if it's a deforestation Thing, they send an alert to us Because, yes, you can be In the GIS and mapping, but it's not that Every day you'll be looking at these Reserves. No, it's not true. So they send this information And we have A dashboard And they, of course, when they Send it, it's automatically Received at our place and we're This information and we're able To know which reserve it is, of course Reported by who and what incidence And all that. And also If they haven't done that, we have Other Sources of information where We can get the alerts from For example, from Jaika and also There are many other sources There's global forest watch We can also send to them to check If there is Any incidence. So about The drivers Asking about the drivers of deforestation Yes, I think in Uganda The main driver of deforestation Is Substance agriculture Yes, that is From my observation And I think John Begumana Can give us more, but I would say It's mainly subsistence agriculture Also commercial agriculture as well Yes Those, I would say That would be the main driver Of deforestation in Uganda, I think Thank you, Brenda We have time for one more question From the room, a quick question The gentleman in white. Thank you, Kai Kalweit from GIZ I'm currently working in Laos And I've also been working With Ecuador and Uganda A bit more time ago So thanks for the presentations My question is sort of now we see In more and more detail What's happening in the forest And how it is disappearing And how quickly it is disappearing Does it actually also help In your observation to Gather the political will To actually put people on the ground And sort of generate actions To counter the deforestation Or is it almost diverting Resources Towards watching it Instead Brenda said What's happening on the ground To get the information So what's your perspective How does it change the dynamics In your countries? If we take a quick response From each country, Brenda Perhaps you'd like to respond first Okay, I didn't really Get that question very well But maybe if you can So I believe the question was Related to We've talked a lot about the forest Information that could Help with forest management And does this mean that we don't need To send people into the field so much Anymore and what's the perspective? Sorry, no, the question is With now all this detailed Information Do you see the political will Increasing in your countries To actually try to counter The deforestation And I know it's difficult to answer But is it more dynamic Now? Okay, let me say support Brenda I think this is complementary One There has always been a time lag So by the time You get the field reports By the time You know that something bad Is happening, it's like you are doing post-mortem But now Evidence is already available So It means You can easily engage Me, I don't think This one Deters Or deters the Institutions to do their work But it helps them To gather evidence And engage With the authorities And also Are you for more sources Me, I think This is It provides the evidence For institutions To urge you for more sources And you know allocation of resources Is always a big, big challenge And justification for more Allocation of resources also Without evidence is more difficult Especially After this COVID pandemic And government are struggling To prioritize how to allocate resources Thank you Do you like the comment? Okay, again Thank you for your question A little bit difficult to answer that question In my opinion I think in the political views To counter with You know The deforestation, the government has The viewing, in my opinion You can see that From the willingness to You know How to say that Increase Or the pressure on the technical staff To identify more To work more on detecting this And training the local staff You know, and to make awareness Of the people that Even though they did something in the ground We can monitor Those from the above So the people aware that We have the tool to monitor it And To collect the information Especially the Damage There are names Where he lives But on the law enforcement side I can say there is a willingness To enforce the law enforcement In the country Thank you Thank you, and the final to Ximena Yes I could say that The use of satellite information Not only the plan of NICFI But the use of satellite information Of this entire network That started several years ago And changed the paradigm In Ecuador, right? To focus on the decision Based on information That was something we didn't have before So it has served All the levels of government In Ecuador we have the state Autonomous governments Centralized, municipalities And the rest of the population At administrative level So there has been a change In all those levels If we face the same challenge That now there is more information For that decision And it is also the challenge Of how we integrate this information But how we get the resources To make effective actions Directly in the territory That is where the payment For results begins to have a bigger weight Of forest control Not only was it in charge Of taking advantage of forest That is to say that the wood That was extracted under a license Of taking advantage was sent In Ecuador we don't have forest concessions Or forest management Where forest management is done Specifically For this territorial order But there are areas Where it is voluntarily done And it is also requested Of the wood So the forest control project In its program The national control system Has changed When we begin to have more information And also under other considerations But having more information The power to say Who is in this area Is making changes We need effective actions Of control in the territory That made the program A component that not only Reviews the guides Or the permission to take advantage Of forest control So there has been a change In the power to have More tools To get better information But of course that also leads us To more challenges Because it increases the need Of resources to attend Although I also have a cool experience That people in a area To forest control people And they say that we saw a change So people are like They are already seeing that They didn't come here before Because they didn't have the resources So that someone from this area Is going and they know That there is something going on From outside with other tools That are directing to that area So little by little it is changing But it is very useful