 awesome we're live. So we are on Dr. Hathi it is so good my friend to see you. It's so great to be with you Jill. Yeah and I just love because we get to talking over a dinner and I have them with friends or wherever we're at and it's just like boom boom boom you know like the energy and the ideas they flow so I actually chose specifically you're one of my favorite people for that so that's why you're here. I want to introduce you and I've got your bio here I actually I won't read it all but I want people to know just a little bit about you so hopefully I pick the highlights and then we'll just dive right in. So Dr. Hathi is a doctor, teacher, entrepreneur, innovator and you'll see just from today some of his ideas on what he's doing. I'm so excited to talk about this because he is on the cutting edge. He's deeply committed to maximizing wellness for everyone. He received his medical training at Vanderbilt and completed his residency in family medicine just like me in Rochester Minnesota. He's board certified in family and integrated holistic medicine. He realized something important was missing early in his clinical practice and he really how to put it in a nutshell he's been a real detective in discovering root cause of illness but what I love about him is he's always he's such a great businessman and entrepreneur so he not only takes the ideas of seeing patients in clinic and functional medicine but he really is going to the next level on creating systems and programs to reverse disease and we are going to dive into that today so welcome David to the call today. I love stories so what I'd love to start with is just a little bit about how did you get interested in medicine like you were where did you grow up first of all where were you born? Yeah well I grew up I'm a dairy farm boy from South Dakota and so I grew up on a dairy farm and unfortunately or fortunately I was plagued with many small illnesses as a child so I visited my local family doctor who is this amazing Filipino general surgeon who took care of our town of 850 people and we had a hospital in the town and so I got several thing issues I had mono that I got to be hospitalized for and during that time he gave me a little lecture on immunology and he would come he teach me and then he quiz me the next day these were the areas where they put you in the hospital for a for a while and and he said you should be a doctor and I was like okay and then he invited me to come and actually assist him in surgery so here I was a high school junior with my hands inside another person assisting with you know colostectomies and I was like this is pretty cool and I also knew that medicine was maybe the one thing I could do the rest of my life and not get bored so yeah and I was right that is so cool oh my god and then yeah from there so so you kind of knew what age was that that you kind of thought you were going to go into medicine uh really it was in high school yeah mom mom said it was younger than that but I don't really have any recall of that uh and then uh yeah so this was I I kind of was a covert pre-med during college yeah I didn't want anybody know I was pre-med because I wasn't I wasn't that nerdy and so I kind of did that some sly and and then uh but you know really have loved it I love the practice of medicine I mean it is it is always an opportunity to be humbled and an opportunity to be challenged so I couldn't agree more I love I grew up in a farm too as corn and soybeans and there's something about that just like I I always think of like this nourishment of the earth and like for me there was also toxicity with the environmental chemicals and things this dichotomy and also like you know that learning to thrive and grow in the work ethic and there's something really special about us farm kids where was that Jill uh central Illinois I was right Illinois yeah so did you not know that it was a farm girl too yeah I know no this but so this is interesting because I think functional medicine is totally an agricultural model of healthcare and so allopathic medicine is really more of a militaristic model so you know we look at a disease as something to go hunt and kill in in allopathic medicine but in functional medicine we know that it the creation of health the growth the nurturing of our health health has to be grown it can't be forced and that's why you know the doctor patient relationship has to be sacred because it's the patient that really does all the important work and and if you don't enable that to occur and I think that's I think it is part of the mindset uh that we just grew up seeing things grow on a regular basis and there is a time for planting there's a time for cultivating there a time for waiting a time for harvesting and then a time to rest and and and that cyclicity of of life uh just I think resonates with what reality is and when we operate outside of those expectations of of life and the kind of the rules of biology the rules of reality uh that's where we get into trouble so I love that analogy you know I I haven't thought of it that way but that makes so much sense and what I always think about now my family is still farming in Central Illinois it's more like an agribusiness because it's grown and I am one of five I have three brothers one is an engineer and the other two are farming but what's interesting to me is my oldest brother has a very good business mind and very good detective and he has gone into soils and soil ecology and he's like a functional medicine like phd of the soil and I love it because we get together and have these conversations and what we realize I know you understand this better than probably anybody the soil is a mirror of our gut ecosystem and if the soil so a lot of what we see in functional medicine we see as a mirror of the disequilibrium of our soils and the overgrowth of crops and over circulation without adding nutrients back in it's so parallel and literally Jeff is a farmer he has nothing to do with medicine I'm a medical doctor have nothing to do with farming and yet we can have these conversations about calcium ph in this and ph in the soil or about magnesium in the body and it's so parallel and it's so interesting to me because the health of the soils and I know when I had cancer at 25 my family started to listen and learn how in the world could Jill have had cancer at 25 and then my sister David got cancer at 28 so all of a sudden there's two girls in this family system that grew up in the same environment clearly genetics had a role but clearly environment had a role right and then my mother had Hashimoto so there was this whole thing that my family started to pay attention and now they are some of the only farmers in Illinois that not only are 100% non-gmo crops with corn and soy which is kind of unheard of that's really hard to do it is and I mean this is like 10 plus thousand acres this is not a small business and the second thing they're doing is a lot of organic plots as well and again this is kind of cutting edge for central Illinois farming so I'm really proud of them for that because that is going to reflect on the health of our nation as farmers do that it's one system I mean we can't we can't live with the hallucination that somehow we are outside of the entire living system that is our environment we're part of it right and I think I think that's just that is just something that you and I understand deeper than what we could articulate right it comes natural right like the understanding so you know I love brain you know I love brains yes I'm always always thinking about brain and you know that the our connectome is the all of the some connections in the brain and we've done been doing quantitative EEG analysis for like 12 years and we do a lot of volumetric MRI studies to try to figure out what is the you know how is that particular brain not functioning at optimal and and when we think of the connectome it is that it's a wiring process when we're really little you know the very first steps we take are just all kinds of sprouting going on all those the first things we see so the things that happen very young give us the foundation upon which we build the next layer and then that builds the next layer and that's why early childhood education is so important you know all that stuff but but are the way we saw the world and the way all of our patients see the world it's so interesting to go back and so I like the functional medicine timeline you know you go back and sometimes how somebody views the world is actually the most important part of their then health care right yeah so how do you I mean that's I love that perspective when you're in front of a patient how do you gather like what's your question for how do you view the world because that's a really good place to start is there any particular way that you start to get information from them about the view of the world or do you just listen what's your what's your secret there yeah you know I guess it's my gut I mean I first start with you know what is your health for you know why do you why do you want to work together because I'm not easy to work with we're going to do a lot of stuff you know I work you know but anyway the uh so what is your health for and then just in listening it starts to open up the opportunities to ask questions you know my first question is not like what is your relationship to your mother that would be a little creepy but but that that one may come right and you can learn a lot about somebody by their relationship with their mother because that is the so that is really bedrock when you think of the so the layering of our brain and how we view the world etc so that's my screening question for who I'll date you know like what's your relationship with your mother because of a lot about how they're going to treat the woman in my life right yeah a lot a lot oh exactly um one question before we go to all the stuff you're doing with brain health I want to talk about that but we talked about terrain and the soil and how this analogy with farming and that what do you think I would love your thoughts about the terrain of our environment and this pandemic that we're experiencing because it's relevant right like how did this happen to us and what soil did we have that made it happen in this type of extreme I would love to talk about your thoughts around that because I think there's a lot of things that set us up for this worldwide oh man there's so many things when you take when you take an ecological perspective of how this emerged and where we went from here it's massive I mean just starting from where this virus probably mutated out of was this really adverse environment of all kinds of animals in very close quarters in high frequency with humans you just had so many opportunities for cross species to jump and that is as fundamentally where this came from fundamentally it was our relationship with our food being dysfunctional that started this process and I say we is in China world right yeah that the virus didn't sprout here but then I find it really fascinating that this is showing for so many interesting parts of what we've always talked about in functional medicine right and I wrote this in an early blog I think like in March third or so and that that it's the people with inflammation and oxidative stress and if we started looking at our the viral population with those two markers I mean a high ferritin is amazingly predictive of the predilection towards cytokine storm right we have been measuring ferritin forever not just a measure iron but we know that that's an acute phase reactants and it's like wow if that's high you know and even if you just have high iron that's a problem because that's going to feed forward oxidative stress but it's those are not measuring the virus it's not measuring the immune system it is measuring a marker of how the system itself is functioning and I think that's that's the huge part here is that we're being invited to ask questions about the system and if we if we take that invitation there's a lot of growth that's going to happen as a result of this if we don't take that invitation guess what we're going to have another opportunity to be invited absolutely and I love I don't know where I heard this this is an original but it just I grabbed a hold of it and it made sense to me hundreds of years ago we talked and even the last decade we talked about germ theory and like and clearly I mean this is valid infections of people that even know that washing their hands protected them from these surgeons who were like you know had taken corpses and then going to do surgery and pass an infection so this is clearly valid but we need to now move from pure germ theory to the theory of terrain because terrain is all about why are some people having a resilient immune system being around I heard the story of a close friend who had a friend who was on the cruise ship and it was a husband and wife and their parents for their 50th anniversary the father died the mother got very sick the husband got didn't get sick at all and the wife got sick and recovered so there was these four people same family same room from all ends of the spectrum from death to no experience so to me this going from germ theory and purely thinking about protecting ourselves with a mask and don't go outside well there's two sides of that story right because when we don't go outside and don't touch dirt and don't breathe fresh air our immunity is actually inhibited because by touching dirt and touching things and kind of our system interacting with the germs in the environment that's how it's trained now I'm not saying we shouldn't follow precautions at all I'm not that person but what I'm saying is there's other sides of this and social social isolation creates its own set of trauma and its own set of immune dysfunction there's a balance here and the real issue in functionalism which is what we do every day David is the terrain which is is there an infectious burden is there a toxic load is there inflammation because that is going to determine if you get if you get exposed to the virus there are some people that will not get ill and we know that there's some people who will die so what's the different and that it's not the germ right it's the terrain not the germ and I love talking about that because that's functional medicine of the core it's what we do absolutely absolutely and you know and it's so interesting there is no there's no relevant answer that that allopathic medicine gives for that right when if you're limited so the germ theory is absolutely correct 100 correct and there's more so wait there's more wait there's more no totally and I love thinking about that because that's what we deal with every day to me as I do I do a ton of stuff with environmental toxicity and what I see is the load that we're experiencing even compared to 20 years ago when I started functional medicine we'd have someone come in with menopause symptoms or hypothyroid or Hashimoto's or simple straightforward things that got better nowadays I never I should say never I rarely see something that straightforward it's layer up on layer up on layer and the breaking of the system is under the load and to me with what I see and teach a big part of that is our environmental toxic load the air we breathe the food that we eat the water that we drink the stress that we live these are all burdensome and becoming more so every day so that they break the system internally in our ability to fight infection okay you hold that thought because I'm gonna I have something very interesting to tie into that start talking about we need to talk about dementia and kind of what I'm doing and that because what you're so right into that because that's what I want to really focus on is not tell me what you're doing with dementia let's like you dive right I really want to hear about that okay well so let me just say right off the bat we're literally doing plasma cleanses to to reverse Alzheimer's so I mean this is just bizarre I mean honestly you sit back and you're like what the heck is that about and but no it's something called therapeutic plasma exchange and this is where you have two large IVs put in the arm blood is pulled out of one arm goes in gets mixed with an anticoagulant it goes into a big centrifuge that's continuously running it pulls off the solid cells and it pulls off the plasma the plasma the liquid part of blood is then discarded and those solid cells or the cells are then mixed with a replacement fluid and we typically use albumin or more immunoglobulins and then that's returned to the body and so what's happens and this goes on continuously until we exchange you know like one to one point five times that person's entire plasma volume so for a guy my size we'll we'll run you know eight nine liters of my blood through the machine in a single setting and it's so it's a total plasma exchange I'm a certified aphorist specialist so this is this is not something you can commonly find so it's mostly done in hospitals but this is a seemingly safe process so but anyway um but the whole idea so I want I wanted to jump in what we are doing because of what you just said because you said hey it's so environmental like all the stuff is environmental well what is the plasma and this is this is going to blow your mind Jill it's going to hear it first here I'm not going to start talking about this this is one of the first times I know talking about it uh I've been thinking about this what is the plasma the plasma is the interface between your outside world and your inside world the plasma is the interface where everything that comes into your gut all the all the microbiome activities all all that stuff right that that it's transmitted through the plasma to the brain how about what the things you breathe you're talking about what you breathe in guess what you have to go through the plasma to get to the brain how about what you put on your skin you have to go through the plasma to get to the brain and and so as you know this entire idea we we have so much interest in toxicity in functional medicine because we know it it just impairs the body system ability to function well this is literally an oil change I mean we're pulling out the old plasma and putting in fresh and there's a tremendous amount of science on this but uh anyway it's it's it's it's fascinating let me tell you about the the major study that supports what I'm doing so it's a major study called AMBAR trial and one of the reasons you may not have heard about it yet is because it hasn't been published the results have been done for over a year the results have been presented at three major international meetings on apheresis and it was sponsored by a drug company called Griffels and they actually make Albumin and IgG they're a major pharmaceutical company that takes plasma that people donate and then they in that group plasma they all get separated into his component parts and they make bottles of Albumin usually used in the ICU anyway so they they said hey you know this makes sense they recognize that Albumin Albumin in the body is one of our major antioxidants it is actually the major antioxidant in our blood we talk about glutathione we talk about uric acid we talk about no it's it's Albumin has the most antioxidant potential of the entire it's in their bloodstream and so Albumin can get oxidized reversibly or irreversibly if it's irreversible that's done right it's no longer available to be used and so there's a difference between the Albumin the Albumin that's actually poisoned and irreversibly denatured as a result of toxic intermediation and it's much higher it's higher in individuals who have dementia than people who are normal and they went hey would that be basically like a sponge or like a neutralizing agent is that what you're thinking when you talk about Albumin for the layperson could they consider it like this neutralizing agent or just a sponge to stop up toxins or is it not quite yes absolutely I think a sponge is is relevant I would also kind of think it more like a Swiffer right yeah little Swiffer pads things will stick on and move on but every once in a while you get something on a Swiffer and it's never going away it's not going to work again got it okay and and so yeah so they did the study and but then they found looked at the Albumin because Albumin's in our CSF or cerebral spinal fluid which is actually the you know the the fluid that bays the brain and which which has this carefully guarded interface with the bloodstream and the Albumin the Albumin in the CSF of people with dementia is insanely denatured is super oxidized like like about 40 fold what it is in a an individual without dementia at that same age right so oh my gosh this Albumin is the problem let's remove the Albumin and put in fresh Albumin interesting thought so they did the study and about 490 participants multi so multinational multi-center many academic institutions involved double-blind randomized placebo controlled trial doing a plasmid doing plasma exchanges and there was a total of 18 plasma exchanges done over 14 months and then these and they track them both mild and moderate Alzheimer's disease well the individuals with moderate Alzheimer's disease so guess what happened over 14 months what kind of a trajectory change happened when they got these 18 plasma exchanges compared to placebo remember there's a placebo control trial so we we have an idea of where how what change do you think happened gosh um maybe 20 improvement would 20 be good yeah 20 be great in in the world of Alzheimer's right okay 61 decrease in the rate of progression wow 61 decrease and i have these in presentations i do um anyway so but but in mild Alzheimer's what do you think happened in mild Alzheimer's these people got even better they got better they improved improved over 14 months they improved now that's insane right now it wasn't really powered to give all of the insight that we wanted to do in mild Alzheimer's disease in the group model it was absolutely clear so highly statistically significant not only that they did a csf measurements of the amount of phosphorylated tau and amylate beta 42 in the csf and this process stabilized stabilized the the abnormal relationship of these damaged molecules uh in the uh in the fluid that was around the brain okay so now it's like oh we're not just symptoms but uh objective data so you have you know that's important and but there's more but there's more is that the um they actually also did um pet fdg scans which measure how much energy how much glucose is being consumed by the brain and uh what happened is that stabilized as well so compared to placebo the individuals that had the plasma exchange done had less decline in the metabolic activity of the brain meaning less death of brain cells wow wow so you said this poster's presented and what happened with the publishing that's about that that's the right idea right so so the unfortunately now this is this is just a hypothesis i don't know why they haven't published yet and i am so thankful for griffels for doing this this is the largest apheresis study that has ever been done in the world more procedures this is a huge investment i have worlds of respect for griffels as a company okay so please tell me let me just say that off the bat they they went where other people weren't willing to go and they put their money where their mouth was so hats off but i think the reason they haven't published is because this was a generic so albumin and immunoglobulins and they're kind of generic products and one's not so different from another supply of one supplier to the next and so they're making currently and possibly an improved version of of a plasma derivative so when you get the plasma comes in it's going to be but it will be a separate drug then that will have its own indication for Alzheimer's whereas other albumin will not so but listen i'm a certified apheresis specialist i am uh we're i think it's unethical that we're not doing this at this present time i think there's enough data i think the the risk benefit ratio uh especially if there's peripheral access uh for an individual that clearly has Alzheimer's disease or just going down that pathway um Alzheimer's is a terminal diagnosis we we see it happening right and and so we're using what is a uh an fda uh i'm using a fda certified machine all fda certified and approved medications but just for an off label purpose so there can be no promises made about what actually occurs because we don't have a classic indication yet so this has to be very plain with the people that come in but and again it's it's how do you see a benefit from this now i have seen some cool things happen with apheresis but it has to do with blood viscosity and things like that but anyway oh no this is so fascinating dr hassey because and i'm curious like for uh what kind of uh i'm sure right now this is probably not typically covered by insurance which is so okay because the cutting edge things that we do are worth that in spades to reverse Alzheimer's right and hopefully what you're doing is going to lead the way for the kinds of things that someday make it covered you know so i love that absolutely no no no question and but there's a lot of hurdles that have to be overcome this is an expensive procedure it takes a dedicated personnel a lot of machinery a lot of i mean it's it's anyway it is imagine this is not this is not something that you're going to see pop up in a lot of places quickly and it needs to so i'm actually what you're doing is like i love this i love that you're sharing this and i love that you're putting yourself out there to really make the difference in these people's lives and to do the work because a lot of doctors will be too afraid to be the one on the cutting edge because you are you're changing medicine like you really are and i love that what would like a typical patient uh how many times would it take for them to uh how many times would they need to get um treated until they want their brain to start degenerating again okay so it's kind of an ongoing for those this is ongoing and so there is and that's the challenge so now let me tell you the griffel study didn't do anything of what we do in functional medicine right right let me go back let me go back to what i said initially right that the plasma is the great interface right and so we know you and i have both at many cases of patients that come in with a diagnosis of dementia and we search for the multiplicity of clues i've actually created a software database called Maxwell brain that we're going to be making available to physicians soon uh that that takes in all the data takes in historical data and laboratory data genetic data and things like that and helps make a a plan and um and we're working with laboratory companies to actually make this no cost to patients no cost to doctors so that and and i needed this platform for my studies in plasma exchange because frankly i need a whole bunch of people out there using the platform to get some benefit because i think that that needs to be our new standard of care right that needs to be our new standard of care and then we can have something to actually uh do clear efficacy comparisons on because this is it's again it's expensive it's time consuming it's just it needs to become more accessible but there's a whole lot of hurdles that have to come and anyway but but you got to start somewhere right you have to start and then and then once you start then i love that you're collecting data too because that's really how we're going to move functional medicine and what you're doing forward and i've got a million questions as you can imagine like right now like this is so fascinating so i'm real familiar with ivig i have a lot of patients who get it because of these complex how would this compare it sounds like a step above because a lot of the treatment still includes the iig in the plasma exchange but what would be the difference between what you're doing and a typical i gg treatment well so i gg is you're putting something in right and and we should do another whole call we'll talk about plasma in more depth because i there's so much more to actually talk about here because but but i gg you're putting in immunoglobulins and these plasma exchanges they're actually removing them you're removing all the plasma and and so what are the typical indications for ivig they're severe autoimmune disease right that's where i've gone with this totally guess guess what guess what is the defined standard for the treatment that is utilized when all else fails in autoimmune disease it's plasma exchange exactly plasma exchange so this is this is the this is the mac daddy of therapies for autoimmune disease so you want to stop something short well let's remove the antibodies and that works because ivig we think that that's actually binding a lot of the excess antibodies and decreasing decreasing the propensity but and and actually the cost is similar so the cost is similar but the pros the the availability of somebody who is able to do this and has the equipment to do this is it's harder to find than somebody to give ivig finding somebody to give ivig is tough too right so yeah now do i again i whirl for me with ivig and there's significant side effects with people a lot of that the volume changes and those types of shifts can really cause symptoms and usually they get better in rate dependent and all that is it similar with you as far as the side effects they're watching people or is it a lot a lot more easy for people to tolerate and so i've given a fair bit of ivig as well in my 20 plus career in functional medicine as well so we're i just love it's just so much fun i love it because we just go right there and you know there's so many basics that should happen before a lot of things that we're talking about right we're a little formal yeah i know i know we just gotta we gotta make sure people recognize that though because you know you can get so much done with the fundamentals and those are what you should focus on and do first but but ivig causes a lot of histamine type reactions right there's a lot of immune activation there's and you had the volume issues i mean in plasma exchange as well there's a condition called taco you know transfusion associated cardiac overload we don't see that because we we have a machine it's basically measuring what comes in and out of the body down to about a 10 cc level so we we can very tightly control all the fluid volumes coming in and out we have a we have a protocol for preparation for doing plasma exchange that deals with a lot of the excess histamine issues so we knock on wood we just like don't have a histamine reaction yet so that and that's really abnormal i need to publish that as well because the because when you're pulling things in and out of the blood and you're adding in um citrate and a lot of these other things you're just you're just stirring the system up and and if your mastocytes are twitchy then they're going to be angry and and that you need to calm them down before you start this process and the nice thing what we're doing is it's totally elective it's totally outpatient we can schedule these things months ahead get people studied and and jill with the other things i'm really excited about i've been doing a lot of transcriptomic analysis and so i actually have before and after transcriptome analysis to take a look at what are the effects of the expression pattern of dna of the various white blood cells and how is that how is that manifesting in the process and yeah anyways it's i'm going to be presenting some of that fine we have to do another call now because this is like i'm like if that's what's going to take is someone like you who's collecting the data well you have to i mean it's one thing to have we have really good evidence that this is a reasonable thing to do i mean in a field where nothing freaking works right for in the conventional world there's you know we do and but we're treating the plasma right when we're optimizing hormones and we're detoxing and we're working with the nutrition and we're changing the the ketones and i mean that's working with the plasma literally yeah and so but i think if we add these to we can get so much more bang for the buck i think we can have fewer treatments fewer plasma exchanges i think we can get you know i i have a lot of hope for that it's still early i mean i don't want to make any claims i think the people who engage in this process early my patients are just you know incredible contributors to the world because we we got to learn it first somewhere and and the major academic centers are not going to go here in the way that we know they need to go there we need to be just need to be so careful and we need to be be a humble in this process and make sure that we're loving people as we go through this this endeavor so oh i love that um so this is just going out in a limb and uh we maybe don't have the answer but i could see this being not just for your patients who are you know terminal diagnosis but i'm assuming someone who wants to be optimal performance who's young and healthy this might be really beneficial too because that's where my world is like where are we biohacking optimal performance again this there's no studies on this i know but i'm assuming this would help anyone who has a toxic load or who wants better performance potentially you know i think that's a really good hypothesis right now i mean it really is it's all about risk benefit like what is what is the potential risk and like i said in a standard plasma exchange we go through an extensive informed consent process people have to actually take a test before i will i will see them because because we have to be realistic about these things but i do think we're going there jill i do think we're going there and i pan or pan does which is the young people with the severe autoimmune cephalopathy is those i could again see we don't know i know there's no evidence yet but i could see this potentially being studied in those kinds of patients no and and and we have people seek us out and ask those questions and and it is a um we're if if people are engaged and and are open to us gathering the data necessary to track is this a benefit or is this not a benefit and and again have very clear informed consent i think that that's a very reasonable path to go down so then uh do you have just a couple more minutes i'll try to wind us down here but this is so great i want to ask you because the people are going to be asking you know you're there doing this is amazing the work you're doing it is hopefully you'll get a noble prize for this someday i mean this is the kind of stuff that we need um are you training other physicians yet are you just setting up the data so that we could where we at with starting to maybe get other physicians doing this is that possible yeah no i i we're not there yet and and because the process is well COVID through a whole big monkey wrench in this whole process like most everything because the people who have dementia are going like i need to stay at home right now what people are finding out the people with dementia uh are everybody that's close to them is going like you need help so i think we're going to have an explosion of people seeking interest on this and like i said i've been i've just been very quiet you know jill like i said this is my first facebook live i've ever done you know i i'm really not out there about telling the story i want to figure it out and so i once the story gets out i think we're going to have a lot more interest in i think there's going to be and and i'd love teaching you know that's my real favorite thing to do and so absolutely we'll be teaching doctors how to do this and how to how to get that up and running in their own areas but apheresis is not something you know it is it's not something you you can't take a weekend course on this and get something right this is not that kind of a thing right and if anyone is doing it and able to do it right i just i kudos to you for being the pioneer out there um i am i know you've got a million things you could be doing instead of talking to me but i'm really delighted and honored that you took the time and i want to let people know just if they want to know more about your clinic want to know more about what you're doing where can they find you tell us about how to find dr. hasi sure well it's just david hasi md on facebook or david hasi md that's uh on i have a website david hasi md.com and you can find more information there not as much as you need to find i'm certain but you can ask for more information and we'll start getting it up more like i said this is really the first time i'm talking publicly about this and i'll be on davasbury on bulletproof radio pretty soon talking about this as well and so anyway the and that's that's one of the best by my clinic in nashville is maxwell clinic and it's for maximizing wellness and we've been we're kind of proud to be one of the longest running functional medicine clinics and certainly in the southeast and yeah it's it's it's it's a privilege to get to do what we do we just need a whole lot more doctors doing it as little farm kids who knew you know what we're capable of well we're growing health yeah we're we're literally still back on the farm jill yeah well i am honored to have you yeah yeah i'm honored to have you i'm grateful for your time i will be sure and share with our colleagues and um and let me know how i can continue to support you because i'm one of your biggest fans thank you joe yeah and you know and thank you for the work you do such a at a you do such a great job of communicating what we're doing and attempting in such a high integrity fashion you know when there's when there's a lot of people out there doing functional marketing instead of functional medicine right you know you know the people who are making clickbait blogs and you know making ridiculous claims and there's a lot of bs you really you really stand above everything you put out i am i'm thankful for your your standards oh that means so much i really really appreciate it well you enjoy your weekend and thanks for spending time with us here and i'm sure we'll connect soon all right okay take care