 A former secretary to the government of the federation has stated that the northern Christians are in support of the presidential candidates of the Labour Party, Peter Abbey. Lowell, who was speaking at an interview, said that Ubi had more chances of winning the election. Then the presidential candidate of the All Progressive Congress, Bola Tinubu, asked why he chose to endorse the Labour Party presidential candidates. The APC Chieftain said a government by the duo of Pitobi and Dati Baba Ahmad would give Nigeria its desired peace. The Astiwadru campaign team in the south-east has faltered and displaced the former secretary to the federation, Mr Babachel Lowell, from Adamawa State for insinuating that the All Progressive Congress presidential candidate, Bola Tinubu, will not get votes from south-east in Nigeria. The campaign team said that Babachel would have been no farther from hallucination when he opined that the south-east was a no-go area for Tinubu and requested the ex-SGF to go back and watch the tremendous support of the zone in Tinubu's visits to just two states of the zone when the full campaign period has not even commenced. While joining us to discuss this is Alad Dottung Hassan. He is the global president of the European Council worldwide. Thank you so much for joining us, Dottung. It was a pleasure to be here. So going to what Babachel Lowell has said, now we've seen, I think you and I have had a conversation in this direction when the former speaker of the House of Representatives, Yakubo Dogara, started this campaign against the Muslim-Muslim ticket saying that this does not necessarily sit well for those who are Christians in the north. Now again, Babachel Lowell is coming out to say that Northern Christians are endorsing the Liberal Party candidate as opposed to his own party candidate. Let's hear your thoughts on this matter. Well, let's get it clearly. The Northern Christian is just one group of persons that have interests from the religious point of view, in view of the fact that there was a Muslim-Muslim ticket that Ashurajibullah Khmeritunubu chose the person of Chaitseema Kashim as his vice presidential candidate, and that led to one or two issues from some members that have Christian faith within the APC. So many of the entire Christian faith that is a different, we must separate it from the entire Christian faith in the whole nation is that just Christian members of the APC. And that does not mean they did not appreciate Ashurajibullah Khmeritunubu. They've shown tremendous support from the outset. So considering the issues that have been raised by Babachel Lowell, to me, I've defended Ashurajibullah Khmeritunubu presidential candidate not on the premise of religious animosity, but on the premise of capacity, competence, and experience. So what we are looking at today is an issue of self-emotion, self-inflicted pains, and how best can we pacify the aggrieved. And I believe that Babachel Lowell is one of the aggrieved persons. So there is no harm in somebody being expressive of his opinion or emotions. But when you now get to the level of hatred, pessimistic views and also penchant mod sliding, so we cannot be able to get the actual truth from that opinion. And that is what has bedeviled the opinion of Mr. Babachel Lowell. That is the former SDF of the federation. So to many, even to the camp, if so, belongs to, that is the APC Christian Association, denied him in whole. So it shows that he's just within his own volition, he's acting on his self-wage. So we wouldn't want to make him feel so lonely. That is why I'm appealing that if you rethink those statements he had, he chose to put in the media by granting a personal endorsement of Peter Albee as the candidate of his own personal group or his own person as Babachel Lowell. So that is just how we can describe the bottom. Many Christians, a lot of Christians are reviewing their thoughts on the premise of one equitable balancing between the North and the South and also looking at who best can drive us, especially at this critical point in time. Okay. Let me quickly come in there. Let me quickly come in there. You started off by saying that this was purely political and... No, it's emotional. Well, you said it was politically motivated and not necessarily about religion. But I just want to quote Babachel Lowell. Just because he's not here. So let's give him that benefit of the doubt. He said when he was asked why he decided to go in the way of the Labour Party, I'd like to quote him directly. He said, we're politicians and we're realists. We want to support a political party that has the potential to win and rule, then address all other dynamics in society like marginalization, insecurity and inclusiveness. He also went on to say that there are still some Christians who are hanging around the APC and of course, whatever their reason, we don't begrudge them. He said, some are in the PDP, but he said the average Christian rank and file in the North, they are for the Labour Party. Now according to Lowell, he says chances were that the election would go to a runoff rather than win directly from the ballot. What are your thoughts? Well, let me say, in election politics globally, there's no amount of how much opinion or how you foresee or the foreseeability rule. Most times politicians, any politician that is going into any political contest always sees himself as a winner until he loses. But the fact that the political machinations and every other thing at this point in time is all about winning for Ashwajibullah Ahmed Tunambu and Baba Chellawal, so unfortunate that Baba Chellawal has benefited from the milk only of Ashwajibullah Ahmed Tunambu than any other North Christian he predicated is political. So when you say the milk and honey of Baba Ahmed Tunambu, are you saying that he had put money, he had pumped money to Baba Tunambu? So are you saying that Baba Tunambu gave him that position? That he was not? So what exactly do you mean by the milk and honey of Baba Ahmed Tunambu? Please explain to me. In politics, there are virtues that you can benefit as a result of your commitment to that political venture, winning that political position. And when they are not choosing some specific positions that are of utmost importance to national development, they look at the spread, the personality and it's most predicated on interest and that is the key virtue of politics. That is the game of interest. Who's interest? I'm going to try to guide your opinion and our viewers that Baba Chellawal should not be coming from this angle is coming because if he's coming from that angle, he will be seen as a people. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I have to probe you. Why can't he? I mean, everybody has one vote. We know this. Hold on, let me just let me ask the question. If you're saying that he shouldn't be coming from this position, he has a position, he's a person, he has one vote. If he thinks and if he has other people who also think in this regard, why shouldn't he? Is it because he was breaded and buttered by Baba Ahmed Tunambu? No, no, no, let us look at the moral value of our views here. I'm not saying, the fact that I'm looking ahead to seeing Baba Tunambu as our president come 2023 after our 25th election of February, I still believe that there are some certain individuals who have benefited from the benevolent, the political benevolence of Ashwajibola Tunambu in ensuring that the benefit of that marja, when they are sharing all the legacies of stakes for Baba Chellawal to hand from the Christian faith from Adamu al-State shows how much more is value and the key interest stakeholders appreciated him and Ashwajibola Tunambu sincerely, I know how much I'm talking about, is a close ally of Ashwajibola Tunambu. He cannot deny that fact, but the fact that he's not the vice president or European to be won, or he's denying never to be won, it shows political vendetta here because when somebody is aggrieved, he can say anything and he can throw you up on the rail line and that's what is happening. I know that you're not Baba Chellawal because I was almost impressed upon to ask you what political vendetta you think he has, but then let's move away from that. Let's move away from that. Let's dwell on some factual things. Now, when Mr. Baba Chellawal was probed as to why he thought that there will be a runoff for the election, he gave us some statistics. He said that in his thinking, he thinks that Baba Tunambu will not get up to 25% in Kaby State, in Sakoto, in Zamfara, Kano, Yobi, maybe 25% in Borno, but he said know how so full an estate, it goes nowhere. He said, Baba Tunambu's ticket has antagonized the Christians, so he's going to lose. He said he will get the Southwest because of his affinity and it's our tons syndrome. But then he says, Artika will clear the most of the Northern states. Now, I'm going to ask you a direct question. Do you think that the Muslim-Muslim ticket will not cost the APC some states? Well, even without a widow of the Muslim-Muslim ticket, as a candidate, where you win, where you lose, you lose, I've run election and I've had a personal experience. So for the fact that the base of what we are looking at now is on the premise of Baba Chellawal pre-empting a runoff election, yes, INEC themselves is preparing for a re-run election should there be any as a matter of statutory principle. So for the fact that we believe that the election ahead of 2023, I cannot be grandstanding as though we are going to win, we're going to appeal to voters. What are we appealing to voters for, and that's where I'm coming from, is based on the 80-page document, the renewed hope of what Ashwaj is bringing on the table that is going to better our life. Shifting power from the North to the South is very important at this critical point in time. We know how Peter Obi came about, Peter Obi was the vice-president of Atikua BiBaka, meaning there must have been some political machinations in between the line and the politics that we are running on. We know that the game plan, yes, we understand the general opinion of some outside Fulani within the North to the South. What do you think the general acceptability of the TNU and his running mate ticket is across the country? I'm sorry, I don't want you to speak as president of the Yoruba council, I want you to speak as a lawyer and a Nigerian. How acceptable do you think this ticket is? Listen to me clearly, and you have no my opinion, I'm not too sensational or emotional about whatever I'm saying. You know my position, whenever I'm into any program or any other issues, I try to be very, very neutral and objective, but on this opinion, we are only looking at how can we heal the nation, we are not trying to look at how much of Christian-Muslim war. What Babachel Awal is promoting is a very dangerous methodology of politics. If you have to look critically, what kind of foundation we've never been to religiously opinionated on our political yastic or how we try to draw up our political pathfinding opinion. But for the fact that what Babachel Awal is aping on is a personal vendetta and hatred for not being able to cling to one or two inches, we are all aware. Sincerely, if you have been following my home view as the president of Yoruba council worldwide, all our press statements, even earlier before now, was a promotion of a Muslim-cretan ticket. I can admit that to anybody because it shows our natural love for every other religion. But for the fact that political calculation of article coming from the north, being a musafulani, and how do we really balance to get in road to that extent, it's wrong to balance that political value. And I believe from that opinion, we cannot avoid a sizey importance of winning. But I wouldn't want the Christian community to now look at it from the point of aggressive vendetta or trying to retaliate over non-issues. Because I'm sure you all know from Lagos state, it has shown high level of respect. No religious has to tell you that they have been locked down for once, or they have been a ban on an Islamic or a Christian faith, or the Christian religious leader. Lagos, even south-west as a home. Are Yoruba people for who you know us to be, we are not this dangerously a mess in religious animals? We have to go. Unfortunately, Doton. We have to go. I'm so sorry. Unfortunately, we have to go. Alar Doton Hassan is the global president of Yoruba council worldwide. We thank you so much for being here. Unfortunately, time is not our friend. Thank you very much. All right. Well, that's it on the show tonight. But before I go, I would like to give you my take. Here's my take. Now, there are many ways to recognize a functional democracy. Unfortunately, when we speak of the Nigerian model, it fails to spectacularly in every unit addressed it. Even talking or taking into consideration the emotionally charged arena of politics, you realize that asking why our elected officials can't seem to solve our problems isn't a question worth asking. It's obvious by now that so many of our officials actually work against our interests. One standard by which to judge our democracy is the acceptance of resource of an election and the unimpeded transfer of power. In an ideal world, we would have the corporation of the incumbent team of AIDS and the transition team of the incoming government officials to familiarize the latter with the inner workings of the office. But instead, what we see here is the outgoing governor trying to go on an employment drive for high-ranking officers or offices to settle the new governor with problems before he even takes over the government. And it makes me really wonder what kind of democracy are we actually operating in this country. Well, that's my take. I'm Mary Annakon. I'll see you tomorrow. Have a good evening.