 us to talk about ESL Goal for a long time, Glenn. And I'm glad you're in town and able to give us some time. Could you give us a little bit of background on kind of who you are, where you've come from, what your educational background is, and how you tie into ESL Goal? I've been teaching English as a second language for more than ten years, mostly at the university level. I've taught in several different countries in America, Asia, and I have developed a lot of materials along the way, and one day I got to thinking I ought to put some of these materials that I've organized on the Internet. And so I started little by little putting a few of the exercises that I've made and a few of the materials up online, and gradually it became bigger and bigger and turned into this great website called eslgoal.com. So when did you begin that? It was 2002. I was working in Salt Lake City, and I was working at the University of Utah at the time, and I asked my brother to help me with the computer design because he was good at that, and it took us a little bit of time to get all the materials up because I had hundreds of pages of material, and gradually it blossomed into what it is today. I've been through several different revisions of the site. Each time it gets better and better. It's incredible. As I've looked throughout the industry, I haven't been able to find another site anywhere that comes anywhere close to the content and the ease of use. Oh, thank you. It's really been an awesome tool for people who want to learn English. So what is your mission with the site at this point after about 13 years now? Well, I'd like to have a lot of materials out there for free for people to use, just whenever they'd like to come online to study English. I'd like to make everything available to the world because there are a lot of international students out there who could benefit from these materials, and I'd like to have some cutting-edge technology as well, putting video on different types of things on the site. Sure. Great. Have you had any feedback from people who've used the site? Yeah, the feedback has been very positive, and in a lot of cases they've given me suggestions on how I can improve it. So it's been a really good process all the way through, and I'm just learning as I go along. That's cool. So what countries, from which countries do you find most of the visitors are coming? Oh, all over the world. I think we have visitors from every country in the world. We get a lot from Asia, Latin America, Europe, and surprisingly many, many students from the United States and Canada and places where they already speak English. So we have immigrants and people like that who are here to learn English as a second language. So it's kind of, as I've gone through the site, I've noticed that it's kind of broken down into resources for students, as well as for teachers. Can you give us some idea of how you, as an ESL teacher at the university level, are recommending that students access the site and take advantage of it? Well, I'd like to give them some direction. There are several different subsections within the site, so let's say I'm teaching a grammar class, I will introduce them to the grammar section, and within that there are several different subsections which explain different grammatical points and things like that. If I'm teaching a business English class, I will focus a little bit more on the useful expressions for business and things like that. That's a great page. Yeah, and it's designed so that there's a little bit for everybody from the very lowest levels up to some advanced levels of language learners. I've been impressed at the quality of the audio and video on the site. Oh, thanks. It really seems like it's a wonderful tool for people who have never spoken English to be able to go in there and identify examples of what needs to be said and how it needs to be said. Yeah, I had some professional voice recorders do that, and some of the people that I've met throughout my life have been in that industry, and so they helped me with the voice recordings and things like that. Well, they've really done a fine job. Have you any suggestions for teachers in terms of the way they might be able to take advantage of the course in the classroom? I would say introduce it to your students. Look at the many materials that they have on the site and say, well, let me focus on this particular item for today, and just search the site, find out the information that you need for your particular class, and give them the website page and let them learn as they go along. I've been really interested to observe how my children and grandchildren are accessing education these days with iPads and laptops and whatnot, and I was noticing last week I've got a 10-year-old grandson who is required now to do his homework interacting with the web and submit his answers on Google Drive, and it's pretty incredible what you can do by just giving simple assignments on ESL Gold to the students and allowing them to kind of interact independently of this teacher. It kind of takes a lot of burden off of the teacher, it would seem to me. Yeah, I've used it in my classes, and for example, where I'm teaching now, sometimes they have bad weather and they have snow days, and so I just send an email to my students and say your assignment is eslgold.com slash business slash class dot html, for example. Go to it, and I'll be asking you to report on what you learned tomorrow in class. They don't get a day off, and they've got eslgold.com. They can go there anytime 24-7.