 Word in San Francisco, he would even give me batteries for the fire lines like oh, it's the new year Here's a bunch of night vaults. You're gonna have to wow You should have asked him to move in with you down here I think is cuz I'm super low maintenance and I don't break stuff like also that would you know If the place he doesn't want the place to burn down. So yeah, I mean the decor is from 19 late 1970 But whatever, you know Back then everything was all the countertops. Well now it's retro. So it's back in back in style Like it missed the avocado actually he even paid for a new fridge Like I said, I think a mouse died in this one and there is really And he gave me in his wife gave me 20 bucks to tip the movers You never talked to this nicely about him when you live there That's so funny. I never talked about him. No, I don't know. He's like, oh good rent I don't know what you got till it's gone landlord. I mean like that place is probably High two thousands low three thousands a month Megan do you still live in Noe? Did I get that right? I yeah, so I used to live in Noe now I'm in Cole Valley though. So one of the other valleys Yeah, and I mean my rent so cheap though like considering for San Francisco like I pay Under a thousand dollars a month. So I mean, yeah, I don't have a couch or a living room, but You know, if you like the roommate it. Yeah, like it's a great situation Exactly. We've known each other since we were 14. She was my best girlfriend like Yeah, we're super close And probably have some stuff you can go out and hang out. Oh, yeah Apparently someone told me the other day that it has a 100 walking score. Wow, really? Yeah Yeah, he's like everything is essentially within walking distance like grocery store pharmacy Urgent care That's are you on top or the bottom of the valley? So like do you have to go down to those? Well, no, so I'm like right in the valley. Oh, okay Because because I was the one that had to trudge up the hill to get home from the barge station. Okay. Yeah, why that helps the old ticker It does All right, so we're about ready to do the show Sarah, can you read the opening? I can and I will Excellent that was gonna be my next question I'm physically able to Tom. I was just checking. I didn't want to listen All right. Are you ready? Mm-hmm. Here we go three two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday June 22nd 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane. It's the second day of summer in Cleveland. I'm Len Peraldo and very excited to have Megan Rose Dickie reporter at Tech Crunch on the show. Hi Megan Hey everyone, how you doing? Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us. We're gonna talk worker of mine Indeed indeed indeed Totally different situation we're gonna talk with Megan a little bit about startups and diversity and probably solve all the internet's problems in a little bit Our producer Roger Chang is here putting this whole show together Roger. Hello Thank you. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Movie ticket subscription service Cinemia announced new family plans Which now include up to six people and up to three movies per month per person a premium option can add iMacs and 3d movies as well Cinemia works with Fandango movie tickets and Adam tickets and is available in Australia the UK Turkey Canada and the US Twitter announced it was acquiring the trust and safety as a service startup smite To help it better address issues related to online abuse harassment spam and security on its platform But it's also decided to immediately shut down access to smite's API and It didn't really warn people leaving some of smite's existing customers no time to transition to a new service provider So they're not happy Podcast at pocket cast is now out of private beta for Android and open to all Android users still in beta Just open the company tweeted that the open beta might have some broken builds But welcomes the public to test new features by grabbing the app from the Google Play store Pocket cast was acquired in May by a collective group including NPR WNYC Wbez in Chicago and this American life All right, let's talk a little bit more about some details coming out of the police investigation of the uber crash in Arizona a Tempe Arizona police report says evidence showed that the safety driver in the uber vehicle that struck and killed a pedestrian Was streaming a television show on her phone at the time of the accident Records from Hulu showed the driver streaming the voice until approximately the time of the crash then it stopped The report calls the accident entirely avoidable because of this The video shows her looking down for five plus seconds at a time the driver rafiela vasquez could Faceman slaughter charges that has not been determined yet Well My first question is always how does Hulu know for sure that she hadn't given her account to somebody else? And this was actually what she was doing fair enough. Should they don't they only know that her account was streaming that at the time, right? Yeah, and granted. I mean the video showed that she was Distracted granted that just because she was distracted and clearly looking at her phone It doesn't mean that it was Hulu, but if it was her account then it Seems yeah, it all kind of was yeah, it all kind of fits and and that may be the difference between saying we don't deem this an avoidable Rec, but we're not sure if we're bringing charges Is is those kind of areas of doubt there? Okay Let me go then okay, uh So I was just gonna say that I mean that yes She the safety driver needs to be paying attention in these autonomous vehicles, but I still think the real problem Was the fact that uber's software didn't like didn't act on its own because that's like the whole promise of these autonomous vehicles that These cars will be able to make good sound safe decisions and theoretically shouldn't need that safety driver Granted it didn't help that the software failed and then on top of that the safety driver wasn't paying attention So just two things that went wrong and I just want to make sure that we're not Totally putting the blame on the driver. Although yes, she could have been She should have been paying attention. Yeah, there's there's more than one and probably more than two reasons that this happened And you know I was talking in our slack earlier. Look, it's easy to vilify her But remember you're in a car that you've been in for a long time and it hasn't messed up And you're relying you get reliant on that that oh well It'll it'll stop itself if there's a problem. You're on an empty road where you don't expect there to be any obstacles You are not at a crosswalk. So you wouldn't expect someone to walk in front of you. Those aren't excuses But all of us would be tempted to not pay as much of an attention I would hope that all of us would you know, if we were in this position Double-down and make sure that we didn't give into that temptation, but it's you know, there there are conditions here That would lead you to want to not pay attention. And if you're in this position, you should pay attention That that safety net that she got lulled into experiencing just didn't work this time Yeah I think a big part of this is this is you know These are safety tests in a perfect world these cars are gonna work so well that people could be able to stream video You know, it sounds crazy to us, but that's the whole idea is that the car does the job itself This is jumping the gun a little bit. So yeah, it's Yeah, I don't know down the road Maybe she would have been you know watching a movie and it wouldn't have been such a big deal but it's kind of hard to side with somebody who's Seeming lax during something that's supposed to be proving what autonomous vehicles are. Yeah, and I mean and as it stands today I mean well granted. I'm actually not sure of the the law in Arizona, but like at least in California It is illegal to like have your have your phone in your hand when you're behind the wheel So yeah, again, I'm not sure exactly what the legislation is in Arizona Well, and and how was that a legislation applied in this kind of case where you're doing a test vehicle is another interesting question Yeah, yeah, I think there's still a lot of like things to be worked out around, you know liability and Yeah Let's talk about VidCon Specifically YouTube announcing new revenue options for creators all creators with 100,000 or more subscribers Who are also older than 18 can now offer memberships for $4.99 a month five bucks a month Which includes custom badges and exclusive emoji as well as members only posts and other perks Creators with more than 10,000 subscribers can offer up to 20 merchandise options from their channel page in partnership with teespring Creators who use brand-sponsor company fame bits can offer their own merchandise from the same area YouTube is also adding premieres for scheduling the first stream of pre-recorded video with chat So, I mean one of the complaints about YouTube has been a lack of monetization options Even from some of their biggest stars and and this certainly is an effort to try to allay those fears and say hey That thing we were using with YouTube gaming now available for everybody granted you have to have a hundred thousand subscribers So this isn't gonna help you till you get popular But I don't know what do you guys think does this this how far does this go in calming down the the sort of pitchfork crowd Well, I I don't know I mean this definitely seems like YouTube is taking, you know a page from patreon and twitch and some other Social networks that are also video based and and and offering merchandise options as we all know Merchandise options can be really lucrative doesn't mean that if you have ten thousand subscribers You're gonna make a lot of money selling t-shirts But if you want to put more effort into that to have YouTube help you build it into the community You've already started to build I Mean, I think some people are probably gonna be happy about this. It's also more work Yeah, it's absolutely more work and I mean I think it's just and I think it's good that YouTube is doing this Of course, they don't want to lose their creators to to other platforms and I mean even Instagram just this week announced a Longer form like video feature. So I mean there's definitely a lot of growing competition in this space Yeah, and I think they're taking on patreon a little bit here too because having a regular subscription Is is sort of competing with patreon patreon just announced that they are also going to add the ability to auto deliver Merch with a partnership with a merchandise provider So so that they've YouTube kind of scooped them on that and and the brand sponsor thing is is very endemic to YouTube if if I'm You know, I'm I'm brownie brownie cameras is my my brand. I can now just sell brownie cameras in my YouTube Merchandise section and and that's gonna that's gonna work really good for branded content Megan do you follow anyone on YouTube that you are not just anybody but anybody that You are you know, you're enough of a fan and you know audience member loyal that you would pay $5 a month No, but I also don't I watch very little on YouTube. Like this is really not for me. Um, I Think remember Francesca Ramsey She did those videos. This was like years ago. So like this was the last time I was on YouTube It was maybe four years ago when she did this video Like shit white girl say to black people or something like that and I'd buy her merchandise But now she has her own website and I don't need to do it through YouTube Gotcha Daily tech news show not sponsored by brownie cameras In the case of carpenter versus the United States the US Supreme Court ruled five to four the police must Generally show probable cause and therefore obtain a warrant to obtain cell phone tower records to determine a phone's location This is just about determining location in the past. It's a very narrow ruling. It doesn't even apply to live tracking It doesn't apply to data or anything else But to go to a cell phone company and say we want you to show us where this phone was in the past by your tower records You have to get a warrant Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the fact that the information is held by a third party Does not by itself Overcome the user's claim to fourth amendment protection And that had been the case up until now is courts had ruled Well, if a third party holds information you don't have an expectation of privacy because the third party knows it and so therefore you don't need a warrant for this stuff and The Supreme Court is saying well in this case. This is such valuable information just because it's stored with the third party Doesn't get rid of your rights This is a big deal, you know, like a lot of people are worried about this sort of thing as far as you know Keep protecting your privacy So I think it's maybe unusual that that I don't think people would have expected the Supreme Court to rule this way. Maybe well, I mean It seems to me that this is very logical because cell phone data might be held by a third party if if there's it police have a warrant the fact that they're not Maintaining the data from that cell tower that wouldn't excuse them going after somebody if again There's probable cause and that's all very relative Yeah, I think that's the surprising part is this seems logical and yet it's also how they ruled You just said yesterday you love the Supreme Court justice, I do I'm a fan of the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean I agree with them every time Exactly moving on to Facebook Facebook expanded its messenger kids app outside the US to Canada and Peru and added Spanish and French support and all of these markets The app also requires parents and children to agree to be kind be respectful be safe and have fun Before using the app Okay, Facebook also added kindness stickers and will also add an appreciation mission to encourage appreciation of friends and family This app has been criticized by some child psychologists So clearly Facebook is going real in on how much fun and safe and kind it all is Which is not a bad thing. It's you will have fun. You have agreed to have fun You will have fun in the Facebook way Yeah, I mean it's clearly wanting to you know get those people over from snapchat and because I mean there I feel like there's an article every day about how the youths are abandoning Facebook and Facebook is really needing to Try to figure out a way to you know, like maintain that audience, but then on the flip side Like my colleague Sarah Perez like she's she's thought deeply about you know Like how she wants her kid to use social media and Facebook and so I mean it's definitely a concern that parents have around Around privacy, so it's so in this case like yes, you know the app requires the the parents to to agree to certain things But um, yeah, I don't know Facebook is a is a tricky place. I've been off of it for a while as a parent I will just make this one observation this kind of reminds me of what they used to do with breakfast cereals when they wanted to get kids They would make all these child-friendly things even though what they were serving it was a bowl full of sugar And you know, I think you know, especially with so much of the concern being online Whether it's cyber bullying or or getting into places. You don't think your kid belongs You know, I think this just seems like a lot of paint on Like a very thin veneer of nice and children child-friendly without necessarily Kind of addressing the the innate issues that are within Facebook Well, when we announced the launch of Messenger for kids, there there are a lot of things they do in this app to address those issues I think we need to be fair on that but but your point remains Getting kids used to using Messenger does open them up to you know, other kids even if they're approved by parents To do what kids do and I think your breakfast cereal analogy is perfect because what Facebook wants is These six to 12 year olds to grow up to use regular Facebook instead of Snapchat like Megan was saying so This this is sort of the entryway and to getting them in the door UK solar energy company B box is partnering with DC go to provide off-grid electricity in Lesotho, South Africa and Swaziland the product will offer pay-as-you-go use of the solar equipment And they plan to target people who either don't have access to reliable electricity Including those who use unauthorized grid connections, which a lot of times can be dangerous because not properly shielded or monitored B box signed a contract with the Democratic Republic of Congo earlier this month to provide off-grid solar energy to two and a half million citizens by 2020 I think this is important to note because a lot of times we think oh solar energy That's what Elon Musk provides to people in suburban areas in in Europe in the United States And this is a great example of how it can be used to provide energy to people who really need it Now you go I went last time you go My guest I insist I mean, I was just gonna say that I mean that there there was that time when you know when After like the crisis in Puerto Rico like Elon Musk like provided solar energy so I mean of course, it's not just yet in suburban areas, but there are really like Potentially like massive like benefits of really ensuring that this solar energy and this technology is you know International yeah and affordable too, right and affordable of course Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com So Megan two stories that you covered recently on tech crunch caught my eye One was VC firm Cain and partners set aside setting aside 20 million dollars of its fund to be allocated for investment by its two youngest employees Who's Houtan Rashid Afarad who's 28 and Adina Teklu who's 27 The other was the story that the number of black women receiving more than a million dollars in investment has risen from 12 in 2015 to 34 in 2017 now the number of startups led by black women has risen from 84 to 227 so it's still a small percentage But I think the obvious take on these stories is diversity in tech is improving but still has a long way to go I think another thing to think about is that if you want to solve a lot of these problems in tech like we're talking about the Abusive data and privacy you need different perspectives from founders on the ground floor It seems like I'm not saying that these are the the panacea obviously, but these are good programs to help encourage that, right? Yeah, I mean with the one with Cain and partners is is super cool Like I'm I'm really into it because the idea is that you know oftentimes I mean the VC industry is predominantly older White men so that's a very limited Percent right. I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's there are very few like young people of color who actually have a Decision in saying like this should get money that shouldn't get money, etc So so the idea like what what canan is kind of betting on is that by having these two younger people Who also just happen to be people of color that they'll be able to see things that other other investors might miss out on and In doing that be able to better serve the actual population of the world and not just like one one select group of people and and yeah, I mean as you said earlier the The obvious take is yes diversity is Slowly slowly improving like at a snail's pace and there's still work to be done And I think that'll unfortunately continue to be the story for for years to come that will just be these like Minor increments increments in progress, but no really like massive over over our team changes I Think that one of the ways one of the reasons that that happens is you have people in charge of the companies Who despite their best efforts have a certain perspective and they're naturally inclined to say oh But this person's really good at this job because they're like me right that's true of all of us and so to combat that you need different founders who who have different perspectives and say oh, but This person is like me. So I'm gonna I'm gonna bring them along And and then you start to balance out and you start to look at people based on What kind of ideas they bring in and how good it is rather than oh, I just want to have more of the same So that's why I think these these two programs a particular caught my eye as being important because this is planting the seed Like you say it takes a long time for that tree to grow Yeah, and and some of this came up even just in the the Facebook Cambridge Analytica scandal Like I saw a lot of people on Twitter saying you know like this is kind of what happens when you have When you don't have a diverse set of people working on problems like even like beyond, you know Like race gender and sexual orientation But just if you don't have a diverse group of people then you're going to miss out on certain things like you need You need you need optimist and you need pessimists like the ones thinking like okay What is the worst case scenario? How can this technology be abused? Like what effect could this have as opposed to all people just kind of all thinking the same way about things I'm not really thinking about the the broader implications Going back to Canaan partners Megan I don't know if you know Hutana and Adina either of them 28 and 27, you know as a person in Tech in BC it's like they're not that young. Yeah, they're pretty old But but as you know as as as a firm usually is structured that would be on the younger side, right? Allocated quite a bit of money But at the same time, you know, you read a headline like this and you say oh, well, that's you know, that's that's great You know, they're listening to the youth they have to because the these two as Well as you know, many other peers and in that age group you see things that as an older person not that you know Once you get to a certain age You don't know what the tech trends are anymore, but you start you know different trends because you live differently Yeah Yeah, these I mean they're like well who 10 he goes by who do you just you know, but um, so like who do you and Adina? I mean, they they started as analysts at at the firm and of course they had been kind of Helping with investment decisions, but they'd never actually been given the opportunity to you know, find companies on on their own and and Adina was telling me just that you know, she she graduated from Stanford and like still kind of has that network of Like just out of college aged friends and acquaintances and And also like something that the people often reference is just you know, Jeremy Lou one of the first investors in snapchat like it was his his one of his Partners at the firm like his teenage daughter who like told him about snapchat and like so you kind of need You need people like on the ground with with the youths to really, you know Yeah, I mean, I I don't want to admit this but more and more I'm like You know like oh, yeah, who's the young person who can explain the context of this to me No, for the longest time My wife was the one who kept me up to date on the cool stuff and then we both got too old and it was her Younger sister now her younger sister is getting older and we're like where are the young cool people to make sure We know what's going on like it just if you're in a circle that is homogenous Just think of age and that will give you an example of like how there are perspectives that you need if you want to stay Conversant with what's happening out there well and the whole idea of diversity being an issue and yes going in the right direction, but as you mentioned Megan It's a trickle The more that this gets shaken up the more that things change because it's been the same way for a long time even in Silicon Valley Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think we're definitely moving in the right direction, but but then unfortunately like Then you see, you know the infamous Google Manifesto that whole thing and you know, I was that I was at a dinner last night with sales forces chief of quality officer Tony Prophet and You know, we were just kind of talking about the memo and he was just saying that you know, there's there's a James De More at every single tech company like that could happen anywhere and really it's about it's about meeting people where they are and not necessarily trying to change their minds, but at least help them to become allies and He had he had a lot of great examples that I'm totally blanking about now, but um But yeah, or something that he said was yeah Like you like an employee might support black lives matter or or something and generally support black people But that you know in this one particular police shooting like maybe that person thought it was the kids fault Maybe they didn't think the police officer was at fault, but it doesn't mean that they're Necessarily like anti-black and don't want you to do well Yeah, so I mean I think and I think the ways that the diversity and inclusion conversation has evolved over the years has begun to include talk around allyship and people being accomplices and actually You know trying to understand where people are coming from and then to support them and in the workplace. Yeah, it's about dialogue, right? It's not talking. Yeah, absolutely Speaking of dialogue. Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and also vote on stories at daily tech news show reddit.com We're also on Facebook Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, Chris Christensen has some details on using the Amazon Echo in hotels This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute It's mentioned on the show this week that Amazon is rolling out into hotels a special version of their voice assistant she who must not be named for hospitality and While I felt a little left out that you announced it without me I thought I'd add my two cents on this one of the things that's interesting about this is that they are adding additional commands that are appropriate for the hotel including controlling the drapes and ordering room service and Finding out what time the spa is open or whether the pool is open but the thing that wasn't mentioned is that one of the problems with these devices is Knowing what commands are available So some of the success of this program and it's only rolling out to ten Marriott's this summer But some of the success is going to be dependent on is the signage or the information They give the guests enough information to know all of these special commands Not to mention the fact that this is also just a regular Amazon Echo or something in that family and do enough people want to use them like they use them at home or not That's the bet We'll see hotels have certainly been known to invest in things like Android tablets that people don't end up using or that really fancy Clock radio that you just end up unplugging because the light is keeping you awake So we'll see how successful this project is if anybody has stayed in one of the hotels that has this I'd be really interested to hear about your Experience. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Oh Man, I'm glad to know it's not just me that unplugs that light It's like it depending on the hotel, you know how some hotels have sort of paper thin walls and you can hear the person's TV on the other side Now you can they hear the person being like No close the drapes close the drapes room service, I Mean, it's a great point. You can ask an echo to tell you Commands to use but people aren't gonna know to do that. There's a lot of cases. So yeah, all right Let's see what's in the mailbag Sarah. Let's do it. Jeff in Pennsylvania has some feedback on our Amazon story and state taxes from yesterday The main issue with imposing sales tax collection obligations on internet sellers is the sheer number of taxing jurisdictions There are over 6,000 states and local municipalities who impose state Sales and use taxes and the same item is often taxed differently. Sure the Amazons of the world They figure out how to tax correctly, but it's not easy Especially if you're a small company might be more of a burden I'm actually surprised that the Supreme Court changed course here as in the quill Case the court essentially said that this was a matter of Congress to fix at least originally Congress tried several times over the years, but the bills never went far Yeah, and a lot of people pointed out like every state that collects sales tax also collects use tax So even if you order from out of state, you aren't exempt from the tax We were only talking about the retailers being exempt from the tax And we were discussing this morning in our slack about this, you know 6,000 jurisdictions and how that would be handled turns out Amazon does collect local taxes according to itself On it on its website. It says it collects state and local taxes So because Roger noticed that when he ordered something From new egg when he lived in san francisco It was a different price than when he ordered it for glendale Because they were charging the different municipal taxes there. So thank you Jeff. Good to have Expertise writing and thanks to everybody who wrote in we got a lot of good feedback on this one. Yeah, all right Let's check in with Len Peralta who has been illustrating during the show. What do you got for us? Len? Well, you know, I am very happy to see that Tech is getting younger and diversifying and if you're ever if you remember the show the Muppet babies Yeah, this is you know, the it's the tech babies the vc tech babies who are getting that sweet sweet VC money I think this is the this is the new show that's going to be on every tech channel the vc tech babies Uh getting that sweet sweet I like that the babies are windows onesie like take the money That's right. They don't know what to do with it, but that's all right as long as we're giving it to the youth And uh diversifying. I think it's all good Love it. That is excellent. Thank you lad. Thank you And also thanks to Megan Rose Dickey first time at DTNS Thank you for having me now. This was great. Yeah, it's really fun Um, you know, we we all know what you do all day But you're not only a writer, but you have podcasts tell everybody where they can keep in touch with your work Yeah, so I I also do a podcast with my colleague Henry pick of that. It's called controlled tea Yep, there it is and um, you can subscribe on itunes Uh, unfortunately, we don't have a podcast page on our new website, which is unfortunate But if you see it's just tech crunch dot com slash tag slash controlled tea. That's ctrl plus tea Um, and yeah, or follow me on twitter. I'm just at Megan Rose Dickey. So hit me up excellent Patrons making my birthday dreams come true. 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Oh, thanks for having me Oh Yeah, uh, yes, please come back soon. What are you doing this weekend? Megan anything good? Well, it's pride so i'm actually about to hit up the uh trans march and um Is that like market street or uh, it's there's a rally at delores park and then um, there's yeah There's a march. Yeah on market street. And there's an after party at al rio. So it's going to be quite Oh my gotta love al rio I remember moving to san francisco in 1999 and being introduced to pride week I remember when I don't know if they still do but al rio had dollar beers on mondays So a lot of no back back in the day of tech tv tom and roger and i all worked there like We would all go on monday because we're like it's cheap now. I'm like right. Yeah, i'm drinking like 90 beers on a monday like You know, but at the time we were like, but we're saving money Yeah, the more you drink the more you save There's there seem to be more of those right after the The web bubble first and then like a lot of other places sounds. Yeah Yeah, they're like all our patrons are gone because the companies that work for no longer exist So we need to drum up but traffic So much crowd. I missed the food. I missed the food So the trans marches today you said? Yeah, yeah, it's today Exciting. Yeah Well, man, again, this is the part of the show where I come up with the title for it and sarah and tom We're basically we're just hanging, you know It's a friday fun event. So Please stay with us as long as you can but you know My phase are facebook's bowl of sugar 28 is old and tech Don't hulu and drive I don't like that one. It's too sad. That's the only problem. It's a good title. But yeah, it's really sad Yeah, be nice to tbc tech babies I I feel like that implies someone's been mean to them or you know Nothing to have babies, right? I mean, you know, they're young youngish baby. I remember I had a guest that He used to run the Back when palm pilot was like the thing He would come on the show once a week screen savers to do his palm pilot to try to remember his name but he got married and I was talking to his um Wife and like, you know, they're they're whole marriage and everything. It's like, yeah, I'm 25. I'm still working on that It's like, oh, you're just a baby So even at that point anything under 30 was still considered to be baby fat. Yeah I remember being like mid 20s and someone who was in their I don't know mid 30s or whatever You know would kind of be like, oh, you're you're a child, you know, and it used to really bug me You know, like excuse you I have a college degree. I'm an adult You know, I live in my own place just a number. Yeah, exactly But now I find myself having to like because I I feel that way sometimes where someone's like, uh, you know Life is hard and I'm like do turn 40 and then let's talk Because that's just what happens when you get older, you know It's because you you wise enough and you just want to kind of back and the next, you know, smart I like yeah, like it's not supposed to like, you know diminish Anybody's feelings But I think it's just like we just sort of find you have to move back home to your parents in your mid 20s It's a deal, but it's not that big of a deal if you're doing it when you're 40 I'm sorry. That's just an entirely different set of well, great. If I have to do that I thought you were a lot younger I did not I did not realize that Well, um, thank you Thank you. Um I like this to me I get that a lot, you know, like yeah carded and then you give them your id and they go I'm sorry and give it back to you. You're like Wait, why are you apologizing? Well, like because like you're so much older than I thought you were so it's like compliment, but also very backhanded Like you that's always meant well Right, right Yeah, I think I think if someone is like Whoa, you're only in your 20s. You seemed much older. Yeah, that would be more of the actually there's been a handful of people I mistook to be a lot older Then they actually were like Thankfully it was only to other people in the office and never directly to that person So maybe you got to them in a roundabout way, but not for me Uh, facebook's bowl of sugar then I just created sowing the seeds of success as a placeholder How's that? Okay sowing the seed that sounds like what was that band? Um, tears for fears Sowing the seeds What were the seeds we were talking about today? Uh, planting the seed with the with the young startup. Oh god, I got it got it It could also be a losing to prosperity gospel where you play i'm open to changing it It's just what I put in while I was waiting That's good All right, I'm gonna log off because I'm gonna hopefully go to a baseball game this evening. Oh Uh, major league baseball major league baseball. Wow, Detroit tigers versus the cleveland indians Now are those two Are they bitter rivals or no? Um, they're in the same division And you yeah, and Detroit are fairly close to each other Yeah, and the uh, but the tigers are not doing well this year. Oh, okay Neither are we really we have sort of problems. What's what's your favorite? Uh, uh ballgame snack. Oh tonight is dollar dog night. All right Over there That's where you have 90 hot dogs because that's right dollar dog night. You can't go wrong So hope it doesn't rain out because uh, right out all the fact you just say the hot dogs are due today We got to sell a boatload of these These have been here for a month. We got to get rid of these Just sell them for a dollar All right guys. Take care everybody. Nice meeting you, Megan. Take care Don't forget to go to lemperallsastore.com to check it. There's nothing else just to check out the art I'll have to check that out. Um, yeah, I'm probably gonna bounce as well Get ready for the trans march. Uh, yeah, yeah, we're getting with my cupcakes. So Right. No, we've been keeping you from your cupcakes. I feel bad. They arrived like 20 minutes ago. Oh my gosh, you have to go Yeah, but thanks for having me. I hope you guys have a good weekend. Thanks Thanks so much for coming on the show Bye That was a good shoe. Have fun. It's the it's the it's against your terms of service if you don't If you don't have fun I have agreed to have fun That would actually be a very interesting uh terms of service Well, imagine if a kid's like I don't agree to this I do not want to have fun. This is very I'm only going to use messenger for very serious venture capital related issues Some people are serious like that I mean, I get what facebook's doing. Um, you know, they also uh the messenger kids app They uh had changed course which we reported a couple of weeks ago where it's like it used to be If your mother and your mother are friends, then we can be friends as kids or mother father or whoever And then it was like well, but parents aren't always friends Even if kids are really good friends and that's not necessarily dangerous But that's not a requirement anymore because that's The parent version of facebook is totally different, right? Well, because that that rule almost encouraged the I don't want you to be friends with them. They're not from a good family, right like No, it the the kid might be totally fine Even if you don't like the parents the parents don't shouldn't have to be connected on facebook Exactly. I mean as a child I um You know But like I had certain friends where my parents were not I mean, they didn't hate them or anything No, it's just they were going to hang out with that other kids parents. Yeah, I can't imagine uh that The petersons my my my best friend in kindergarten and we still talk on twitter regularly and play fantasy baseball together The petersons wouldn't have wanted to have to be facebook friends with my parents It's not like they didn't like each other. They just moved in different Worlds, I guess uh, not even that even makes it sound too dramatic It's like no They were just they had their thing and my parents had their thing and they wouldn't have had like They wouldn't have cared about the thing kind of things you post on facebook and vice versa Right, but jeff and I should have been able to use this, right? So yeah, well and yeah Again, we didn't have tools like this one. We were you know at this age But I even there were some friends where My parents downright did not like the other parents because they didn't like the rules or the you know Lack of rules or whatever it was the parents weren't they did not vouch for each other But they also weren't keeping me from having a you know, little good friend So this app is sort of like are you going to be kind and respectful? Have some fun like well, then you kind of take the parents out of it. Hopefully Well, the parents should be approving like, okay. Yes, you can be friends with jeff But without putting a burden on the parents, right and also Yeah, sort of reiterating, you know adults have all sorts of issues with each other But if the kids don't and they all you know, think of it as a fun sort of playground that's you know for their smartphones or whatever um It's not I think that one of the biggest objections Is six to twelve Having messenger for kids encourage the smartphone use and a lot of people are saying You should be doing the opposite you shouldn't be encouraging smartphone use You should be limiting it and using it responsibly and in a way it kind of reminds me of how Some parents approach the telephone, right? You know, you don't you don't Some kids I knew in grade school had their own telephone in their room and my parents like no There's just one in the house. Yeah, same here You know, you're not going to be on it all the time talking to your friends you can tell you know and it was very much about being able to moderate and um with smartphones you can do that to an extent But you know I mean, it's not like you want to give them your phone and every time they want to talk with their friends, but I don't know. I mean It's it's an interesting but also very complicated conundrum Definitely I when as soon as you said like we didn't have those tools back that I immediately thought oh, right Because the way I would get a hold of Jeff Peterson would be I would call him at 6641475. I still Remember the number You don't know what area code it was So Well, Tom, we know enough about you that somebody could probably figure it out Yeah, and I bet they don't have that number anymore. Probably not. Um, I remember my it was sort of like it went from Uh, yeah one line And there was you know a phone in the kitchen and a phone in my parents bedroom And that's what it was and they weren't like wireless or anything. Yeah, we just had the one I had you know, you could sit on my parents bed unless they made me leave You know or like walk around in the kitchen with a cord my mom's upset But and then call waiting happened and so it was like if I was talking for three hours to you know I don't know but a friend in fourth grade at least somebody else could get through So it was like, okay. Well, this is a little bit better. So I couldn't you know talk all day as long as me Emergencies can still come in. Hold on Um, yeah, just a moment click click. I'm sorry. Someone wants to talk to my mom. I gotta go. Okay Right, exactly. And and the rule was always like you don't tell them to call back. You get off the phone Yeah, no, say here and then it was Your friends are calling way too late sarah That this is not cool. Your friends are leaving weird messages on the answer machine also in my parents bedroom I don't really know why and finally calling during dinner time. That was that too. Yeah. Yeah, and then finally it was Reluctantly like it wasn't a presence or anything. It was like you're gonna have your own mind because we just can't handle Oh, wow. No I think cordless cordless phones came along around the time that my parents would have Considered another line and they're like, well, you just have cordless phones. So cordless. I'm like wireless That doesn't sound right cordless phones. Yeah Oh first cordless phone. What fun. I remember my when my sister got in junior high when she came a teenager my parents Sprang to buy the longer cord for the phone So that she could go around the corner into the living room and talk instead of having to Bother a dad while he was watching tv in the family room. Of course. Yeah, we only had the one phone We there were no other phones in the house. It was just the one Yeah, it's so funny. You know, I remember I was on the wall Yeah, the kitchen one was always on the wall. There was never like the the my parents had, you know, sort of a Table top, but it was yeah, the cord, you know, you kind of like you're spinning around my mom would always say It's gonna get all messed up. Stop doing that You know, keep the cord intact. You're stretching it out It was a revelation the first time I used the phone with the longer cord and I was like, I can go all the way over here around the corner Technology is amazing Well, people with two lines. I always thought we're like super rich. Yeah, that's what I thought too Like whoo, they could pay for a second line. It's like that's like having some that's like having two cable lines in your home My dad did a splitter so that we could get the extra cable Back before they started trying to tamper proof People stealing the premium stuff you couldn't get the um, you couldn't get the The kit like HBO Cinemax or the or channels above 13 On alpha splitter remember the flea market. I remember this guy selling all these little adapters like get his little thing It was get HBO for it. It's back when they modulated the signal In order to scramble it, but you know, it was Wasn't that hard to come up captain jack says second line was eventually dedicated at the dial-up modem Do that you're talking way farther down the line. Yeah, we're yeah, this is like we're talking pre modem times Well, not a pre modem, but just like in the 80s because yeah, I guess some people might have had a modem with their Commodore 64 Vic 20 or something Do you guys remember star 69? Oh, yes that great rem song Which is funny because it existed before I had it like my parents had to you know add it to the the package or whatever But I knew what it was. I knew that if somebody called you and pranked you or whatever And you wanted, you know, you don't get like an ID, but you you call them back I knew that it existed And there were a couple of times where like, you know, because teenagers are horrible like some boy, you know Called me and you know said something and then hung up and I was like, I have star 69. I know you did that total well, uh We're gonna leave the the network and uh, we'll stick around on the local channels For our continuing coverage where tom will sing star 69 Uh, we'll say goodbye to the dtns radio network