 Welkom back. Remember the hashtag to use is hashtag entrepreneurship Tuesday. Right of effort channel is where you can find us across all our social media handles. The conversation that we are having at this particular segment is the aftermath of COVID teenage pregnancy. Pregnancy. So as I had introduced the co-founder of creature touch the needy Mr. Abdul Ali Husain. So let him introduce himself again because I know you guys didn't hear him clearly initially. Yes Abdul, this is your time. Okay, thanks so much. I'm Abdul Ali Husain. Jina Mtaani na Julika Nakama Mr. Pads. Born and raised in Kibra. Nimeso mea primary shedra Kimalil. Nika yanda mwingi high school wkabani. But nika maliza jua football nika malizia karya. Nika malizia kama kunji high school. Because nika nanchaza ball. So nime na tukakibra, kibra ndo nyumbani, kibra ndo taon do ushago. Amanubian. Nime lele opale and I know everything. Ntanguizu for the past 35 years. Nime kwa paleku da zilebitu nime lan challenges zile to konazu paleku omta. So mea, I don't call them problem, I call them challenges because we need to overcome it. So, when did the passion give back to the community where did it all began? Passionate towards the community In fact, when I was growing up, my mum used to help girls with sanitary towels. So, nime kwa ni kiaona, and in our family, we were just two, me and my brother, we don't have a sister. So, it was sister love. We didn't get it so much. So, nili ona maimama ki jariku sa idea watotuwa chana yo time, zaki chambu, 90s, 2000. So, pia nili gruwa, apashon ni kakwa, nadaku jua watisia, that important kusu, girl-child. So, after finishing my high school, ni kajiwa in NWS, ni kasa vuko. After finishing NWS, ni kasa 2 years. After finishing there, ni kajiwa in KWS for 5 years. Oh my goodness. So, after kajiwa in KWS for 5 years, ni kiaona, ni kerudu na patatu. Okirudimta amtatu iku vile. Oh, the way you left it. So, ni kabidi ni wachi, ni kakuja home. Ni kakwa na passion to the community. Laki ni iliki tu piyana shkuru ke WL soundu, at least wali ni pelika kusu, ni kafa na kusu. So, community development. So, ni kakwa na fanyamenta shi program, side is avoid cost. So, yosuguni ni kakubidi ni kakuja ni kazi shi amtapa. So, from 2010, ni kerudimta. Korudimta. So, ni pata group ni ka join. So, we had to li kuna group, li kuna jita kibira lindi youth organization. Tu me kwatu kiranu pale, na after pale ni kapa ta piya position ya kualida pale. Laki ni due to development zamta. So, kukakuna barabara kakuja bypass. Sayizi ni ito bypass, ni na tokayaya, ni na pitei wukianda baka langata rungai. We kapitaneli organization yatu. So, kukupitanayo, tu kakwa tuna spacingine. So, na wale youth tulikwana wakamua. Tulikwana tulikwa tumesef some million kaza. Laki ni wakamua tugawane. So, to me, ni kafili li kugawana ikua the right decision. Laki ni I didn't have that chance ya kuzuia. So, li bidi tugawane do. After tugawana, so I had to go and start my initiative ya and continue doing the community work. So, even though after they are 2017 do kiltia tulidiansisha. Na from that time, kakwa tuna finatu mentorship to the youth. Mentorship to the boy child, girl child na boy child. Laki ni my passion sana ina kwa kwa girl child. Because na feel ni kiyongianawao. Na jari kutuile periodisha mama ni kiyongianawao. Because the word menstruation ina zana men. Ina manisha sisika men, we need to be part of the process. So, that brings about the title of you being a menstrual champion because you actually help out the girl child when it comes to sanitary towels. I believe that's where the name Mr. Pads came from as well. So, here it is. The initial organization has pleaded and then that's when you co-founded the creator touch, the needy. So, when it comes to the conversation of the day, we're looking at the aftermath of the COVID teenage pregnancy. Let's start from where you seated and you have interacted with so many young mothers, especially after COVID-19. Shulezga Fungwen time frame of around nine months. So, for you looking or even interacting with these young mothers, what would you say is like, what the problem is? Is it the fact that the mothers, the teachers or is it poverty? What is the problem when it comes to the situation whereby anajuma interact now as chana? Like, wuki skia stories, story hour na sema shiden wapi, what led them to be in that situation? The problem to me is the upbringing inia ni venya melelewa pale home. Ni different na venya situ melelewa. Uki angali atemi etu, ulkona lelewa ama muslim, ulkona pata weekend lasma, ulkona nda shule, lakini wana weekend lasma nda madrasa. Kristian ulkona satade kamalabda when he was 70 days. Uda pata family hoten nda church na wazazi, Sunday the same thing. Uda pili kwa, what will kuna believe sana in God. So na dan ile ku, tokakwa ile kuwacha mamboa God pia imechangia sana. People, family amopsi mekwa onata katu vituza dunia, to me neza sema. We are running up ile umeka job mbele sana una sa u God na una sa ule mtoipia na fa alelewa na nini na madili ya kidini. So that is one of the key thing ile pia na ona. Because what we were saying is ile haia. Kitambu sisi un kuna pata. Sayizi kuna zile vitu, I am doing, sivazi doing belia parenti wangu. Kuna zile un kuna wana. One is a pata. Mstia na nava. Times day to ukone zava belia parenti wangu. So yoni neza sema. Yoni one of the key thing. Na pia kenye mechangia, paleni geto, paleni capital city, vitu zina change, technology zimi ingia vitu kaizo. So yoni neza sema. One of the thing that the girl child is engaging in different things. The other thing pia na neza sema na ile madili ya pale home. Ona pata the parents are too busy. They are working to cater for basic needs, shelter, food. Wana sa wile love. Oki anga liya kasi kitambu ukuki kula. Sisi ungeza kukula without dada kopale, mama kopale. Lagi ni size zi zoni vitu zia apen. Mito yi na chikuwa fudi ya kia nina kulapale inje. Parentata jui the challenges. Lagi ni sisi kitambu. Ona za pata ukuki kulapale kua table na parentu wako. Parentu wako kikuwa anga liya face zi ya na jua eh. Uya kuna problem. Lagi ni size zi parentia ya nile. Miza zi na mtoto kuangali ya na kujua na ilia atuna. We are too busy. Ya there's no that bond. We are too busy. Ume lipa skulfisu. Jui kama umutu imu niya na ame fikaile ishule. Ama amesoma, homo kamefanya. So you know one of the things me neza sema. The biggest challenge lila tunafesu. Awa tu iwa stya na hasa wa miko se li love. And when they lack that love palihom, kuna mafisi wako pali inje, wana za ofaili love. Or in terms of soliciting for sexual favors. Ya ya ya. Okay. I also read there's a documentary that was made by BBC and it's in Africa in general. And that was like one of the key issues. So would you say that sexual education should be incorporated probably in religious platform even, teenage gatherings. Ya to me neza sema. Will that help? Ya to me neza sema is very important because one of the challenges we are facing even me in our championing issue of menstruation is still in some areas, some religions is still a tabu. There's a big tabu there. Men talking about menstruation. So women take it as their own issue and men we don't want to engage because we know it is a women issue. So that is one of the challenge. So to me it needed to be in churches, mosque and school and it will help a lot and that is one of the things that I am championing. Because I am moving around to the churches, to the schools at least to talk to the religious leaders the issue of, the importance of talking about issue of menstruation at least to help our girls and remove that stigma. And also I would like to find out in the situation whereby I believe during the lockdown we have our children our children know their relatives probably even their biological father and they got violated during that time as well that those cases. So when it comes to the program that you ran take us to so when it comes to dealing with trauma because this is a kid that is expected to go and report in the police station go take up P3 go to Jalabi's violence center so when you take them through that during that program how do you help when it comes to the program that you guys ran that helps the teenage pregnant mother that is? We take them it depends on the issue and maybe the problem that the girl is facing and the family how the family is cooperating on the family has taken that issue. So for us if the family cooperates it becomes so easy but you will find that because in the program for young mothers you will find that some young mothers they were raped and the parent didn't cooperate that time so for us it becomes difficulty maybe the person who raped the young mother he went back there and talked to the family and give something small so the family don't want to talk about that problem so that is one of the challenges we are facing but if the family cooperates our organization we cooperate with other organization that maybe deal with the gender based violence at least to help in the issue of rape things like that so for us it becomes easy when the parent cooperates but when the parent doesn't cooperate it becomes difficult because for you you will try to find justice for the girl but at the back there the perpetrator go and talk to the family maybe remove something small maybe 10k or even 20k so the family cannot talk about the issue so it become a challenge and the issue of rape you know it takes one of the biggest challenges we are facing now is the government take the issue you need to go for medical checkups things like that so it takes too long maybe because even for us we have like 5 cases since 2019 up to now the girls have not get justice so that is one of the challenges we are facing there in Kibra and it is happening on a daily basis the way you are saying a girl being raped by an uncle a father things like that happening grandfather so one of the biggest challenges we are facing is getting the justice so to me it will be even easier for the government at least to intervene and to come with a mechanism that the girls can get justice in in due time not just to prolong the case for long you begin going to court every after maybe 3 months things like that so that is one of the challenges we are facing there but we are trying we are trying our best and in our center for them is to give them hope and to show them it is not end of their life because for us we are called they are our champions because maybe they were impregnated and they decided to keep the baby so for us we do maybe mentorship program mental health at least to talk to them to give them hope and our main focus is for them after giving birth how they can go back to school or if you don't want to go back to school how you can do a course that it will help you to be embraced back in the society and speak about hope and the mentorship program so what type of mentorship do you give to these young mothers and also I would like to touch on also the mental health aspect because these are people who have gone through trauma this is a child bringing a child into the world so let's look at the mentorship programs that you offer and also when it comes to the psychological part of it how do you go about it for us in our centre we also invite maybe a psychologist can come there last year we had a program from one of the organization called Ginko and Ginko are there they help the girls for the three months for the three months at least to check them in different mental health courses at least one on one at least to know their challenges because one of the biggest problem we are facing every girl they have they have same problem but tackling the issue is differently it depends on the background of their family so you need to deal with every girl on its own way because some will find them the problem is they are at their home some of them will find them the neighbourhood some of them the problem is in school so you need to tackle and see so for us we invite at least those people who have the same experience of talking to psychologists who can come and talk to them and they help us and one of the good thing the psychologists also come from Kibra and they work on a pro bono they work on a pro bono so that's how we try to help them at least it has helped them since last year until now we have seen a lot of improvement and their girls can now open up some of them came at the centre they were not talking some of them opened up after giving birth things like that in the timeframe of the young mothers it's called Young Mothers the Program that was after COVID-19 after COVID-19 in that timeframe how many young mothers have passed through your hands and their organisation through our health and organisation we have more than 60 young mothers in different areas from Kibra some of them have gone back to school and our youngest young mother 13 years old she is in class 7 and she is giving birth and going back to school she will be sitting exam this year fantastic so I speak about going back to the school and I like us to look at the stigma side of it so what is for when you are seated and how you talk to them how do you explain the way forward when getting teen mothers back to school because also for the sake of our viewers so mentally how do you prepare them first we prepare them by talking to them and then giving them hope and at least first for them they need to believe in themselves and maybe getting pregnant or giving birth is not end of life so we did that for 3 months and then after that we also engage the family and we also engage we go to the school and engage the teachers because you know in school we have some of the students who may be talking bad about you getting pregnant so that is one of the key thing that we focus at least talk to them and give them hope and build their self esteem because most of the girls in our area the biggest challenge they are facing is they have low self esteem that is where a lot of boys take advantage of that so for us the main issue we are doing is to build that self esteem when your self esteem is high you can talk you can speak it out you can face your now a mother and you can still go back to school it is not end of life things like that and it has really worked for us because some of them have gone back to school some of them are now doing some courses, beauty things like that in business at least they can make their own income and so just the people who always look at it from an angle of the society now from just being incorporated in stigma free education institution let's look at now the society so how can the society effectively deal with teenage pregnancy and not just pointing fingers at them and just murmuring them because that as well you have mentioned the issue of a self esteem that affect them so how can the society change the whole narrative the way you can change the whole narrative I think it will all start at their home base the parent that is one of the challenges we are facing because you will find out that if the girl get maybe the teenage girl get got pregnant one of the challenges we are facing you will find that the parent hide they hide the pregnancy they don't want to talk about it so maybe after 5-6 months when the the stomach start growing big so that is when they start talking about it but they also you will find that some of the girls who got pregnant when the parents knew about the pregnancy they don't talk they are living in the same house but then they are not talking so that is one of the key thing the community and the parents need to embrace for this young mothers maybe or the teenage girls who got pregnant we need to accept the fact it has happened and we need to show them love and to show them how they will carry the baby for the 9 months going in another journey of being a mother despite you being a young you are already going to be a mother because at 13 years we find a baby having a baby that is one of the biggest challenges we are facing so for me for communities for the parents to embrace that it has already happened so how can we handle the situation and go about it and the other thing is how can we help the other teenage girls to not engage in sex and get pregnant just trying to help other girls and just to avoid the situation by they become mothers at a young age what would you say a couple of risk factors for a teenage mother to me a couple of risk factors we are facing and for now we need to to agree with the young teenage girls they engage into sex that is one of the key things even me when going out talking to them that is one of the things we cannot do away with it but for us it is just to talk them maybe the consequences they will face after having sex so that is one of the challenges understanding them as well because a lot of parents they are child engage into sex but they don't want to agree with it you will nesapatatu wa nga ita tu zile jina ways if it unafanya utakuja kwa na matokeo badae instead of kumambia we engage in sex ita kukulete problem even sitting down and just explaining and explaining to them so you will find a lot of parents zile tu nga wambia wema si iken yunafanya so talking to them wuja wuna jo uja msi idea so do you feel that tabu also from our parents so you feel uncomfortable having the sexual education sexual education to the kids that is one of the challenges we are facing nesasema like me I have a daughter we sit down and talk about sexual education kwa isu nina wambia ok engage into sex iwi na iwi nizile witu tapata unam patiam fan unangali so the key thing ile tu na most of the parent wana jarib kwa avoid mtu iya me engage in sex amo kipata mtu iya msma manakijana you need to talk to him yana nangia ile na sta ili but wuna zatuna corolling fujue manza umalaya nini vitu ka iso so utotu sa wana jo demu wuna kikum tukana na nini so wana taku jo kujue iiki tu na tukani wana iini so izo nuzile challenge utapata watu kapa sanasa na inapen kwa sisi men a lot of men aki sketum tu toa kelabla ili wana kana na mtu fula ni ataki kujua anaku jatupale na start beating vitu ka iso na watu iwa squeeze wuna pata wa pig wuna ungele siya tu wuna onesha indo the right direction nukitaka kufolo ii utapata matunda keni nukifolo education utapata matunda keni so you only one of the key thing ile tu na face kufargentu wuna sema wako busy wuna tuka morning wana ruu the evening uta kuy juo li metu iwa kulepatiwa wana om mtu iwa kuli shindaji so utapata ii o temya covid-19 yoo nine months watu iwa li kwa hom zaz Iwa II busy kuhenda ku tafta k terrala kuyagulipaha wono nuki provided ile kitu Izo motto wona wu ko metatua kakushaw n기 suwile the love kwa kwa us Anschaile love pa le kukar tuhousesga wa oiumende le aje ya ume faa nyaha wakizako entra wikisamma t organise man like u na pata aparentka nizaba yemtia wake fammher laking nidi stunt k jours turmeric na k aquele kwa kwa kwa nijawewey wa nilinu na kumpiae niye kwa nilo kuniwa ito kisha kutikafu kwa ui niwa kataka kizuwa mei kwa kwa na kwa kwa niye kwa kwa hivilita kwa kwa kwa mizima lisa kutikiwa siya kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa billa kisha, niye kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa poka mei kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa needlea a na main straight md y nma change kunya something rung go approximate bata labdani mainma. So them came realize ni two tro ka na main mau. o着 5 mwen o!) whiskey na na magistyae kwa powder atama kwen ya we singi chore n foreigners 사� ambitious a situation in�� лишОune bunda hai Cool Videos We also do the boy child mentorship program and try to talk to the boys and try to show them are you ready maybe to be a father at 15 years, are you ready to be a father at 16 years? So that is one of the key thing we are trying but we still have that difficulty. Boys dealing with them is not that easy because I am also a boy. So like for us a mentorship program for boys you cannot do it on an every weekend. You can try to do it but you will find that challenges. So for us we have a mentorship program for boys for every month we do a two session. For those boys at least talk to them. We engage them in different ways through sports, maybe through playing a playstation, things like that at least to show them the importance of a girl so that the boy child he sees the girl, he can see a girl like a sister to her. In a respectful way. In a respectful way so that is one of the thing that we are trying to help but it is not that easy. Because during the time of COVID-19 a lot of boys maybe who are in secondary they engage in self in riding the border border and you ride the border border for a day after finishing the day you will get you are getting 500. So you will find when the school was open a lot of boys refused to go back to school because of that 500 sheening. So we are trying to help them to show them you can still go back to school and after finishing school you can come and ride your border border. Alright. Abdullah you wind up to find out in terms of your fans how do you raise them and if anyone is watching can they come as sponsor and how do they go about it? Through our fans, through our fans we just raise them from friends and we don't have donors, our donors we just believe from friends and for now we have two different programs providing sanitary towels and providing diapers because for the young mothers diapers have become basic need. Very true. So through our funding we just do it in our page. We are in Facebook, we are in Instagram so that's how we raise our fans maybe when we have a program want to do the diapers program so that we post it on our page there so people can follow it and do their contribution there at least to help their girls. Fantastic. Can they find you across all social media if they want to partner, donate and also interact you on a personal level as well? On a personal level I have my own Facebook account called My Name is Abdullah Lee in the Facebook account but very soon I will be opening my own page of Mr. Pads at least to try to help the girls and people donate at least we can funding for the organization and for the girls Pads because Pads is a continuous process because those girls need Pads every month. It's a basic need actually. It's a basic need, every month the girls need Pads but now you can find me on Facebook, Abdullah Lee Usain and on our organization you can find us in Kirisa Tati Denidi we are in Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Thank you very much Abdullah Lee Usain for creating time to be with us we appreciate you a lot and continue with the great work that you are doing. So that is Mr. Pads Abdullah Lee Usain who is the co-founder of Kirita Tati Denidi make sure you follow them across all their social media handles that is Kirita Tati Denidi. 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