 When you won the world title and you're coaching for some day when the world title 24 is about Joel. Yeah at 24. How are you accepted? Was there any question marks? But I actually took over probably three or four weeks before and he's really struggling with his weight I've been working with him the whole way through so I sort of knew what position he was in and my thinking at the time was We can't afford to win these rounds big because he ain't got the gas tank for it for this fight because He was really struggling with his weight And I know what he's like so I remember he come back to the corner But again people are thinking 24 year old probably doesn't know this doesn't know that he lost around But he come back to the corner I purposely told him he won that round on purpose because I know if I told him we lost he would have come out and Watch so hard to win that round So I purposely told him that he won the round Just to keep him calm and I already had in my mind I know Billy Joe personally before going into his fight and I thought I know how to get what I need out of him But it was about picking the right moment and this guy that he was boxing was not the most not experienced at that level And I thought to myself one we can't afford to shoot our tank too early But I know he's gonna have his own doubts of doing the rounds at world championship level So I thought around that mark when that question starts to usually come in around rounds eight rounds nine That's when we need to Push to pace them because I know what he'll start thinking he'll start having doubts. Can I do the pace cat? I've got four five six rounds left in me So I thought if we can save his energy and use round that seven eight nine to really push on then Those doubts gonna creep in the other guys mind and we can sort of control the pace from there on out And use that guy's doubts against him So it was about The importance was mostly round management and also, you know, Billy Joe wasn't He was seasoned, but you know, it was his first offensive He's well-toiled first fight not working with Jimmy Tibbs, and I thought I don't want to completely Change the the way he's used to being community communicated to in the corner But people would never think oh 24 years old. He's thinking about these things Was there a question marks on your ability to get into that fight? afterwards because it wasn't afterwards because it wasn't a great performance from Billy Joe But I think it was easily a not because of the opponent but because of the way he'd done his weight It was definitely a potential slipper. It could have gone a lot worse if he wasn't economical and efficient But always had sort of confidence in My ability and yeah, why do you think belly Joe? Performs better when he's underdog Um It seems to pick it seems to if I don't know all that when he's well put it like this If you was to do a hundred meter race against someone that you know, you can win out Mm-hmm your own specific time of what you recorded when you know, you can win that race quite comfortably Would not be the same if you thought I don't know if I can Beat this feather in a race. I guarantee your time would be quicker against the guy that you thought Hmm, I'm not 100% sure I can win this race. I need to Do you see that with a lot of boxers if they know that I get in favor of it even There's a lot rate slow down even with sparring I say this to Josh because they've got the big gloves in the head guard there's just a lack of respect for Sometimes he's just almost switches off as a case of Because it's not that respect but when you get in there and I got eight ounce gloves on it's I'm not giving this fellow a chance. So how do you? Plant the seeds in there and mean to pick up the pace There's a kind of mean fucking in there that There can be with some things but also think it's just a case of like What's actually happening doesn't change how you feel doesn't change what's actually happening. He's so easy to go If a boxer doesn't have a performance good performance And to go I was weight drained or I didn't this I was this I was that okay all of what you're saying is great But that's how you feel what actually transpired and happened in the ring So I don't really focus on how somebody feels I focus on what's actually happening, you know, but Billy Joe man Phenomenal fighter. I believe in absolute animal and I've seen photos. They're just yesterday And he's the best shit I've ever seen him. How does that make you feel to see that somebody you've knew your whole life Then fighting the biggest fight in his life. I know it can win that fight I believe so I believe so reason being because I believe everybody thinks he's underdog and it easy kind of guy It gets pissed off. I believe to prove people wrong I can't this and I hope he does He's a showman boxing needs that kind of guy just zero fucks given says it how it is I can clearly see what he's smiling your face I'm happy you're for him like how is that when you see fighters going for that for the biggest fights in a life? How proud do you feel that you're part of that journey? You're part of yeah his story to get him to that level as well Yeah, of course and I want to see him do it and I worked a lot of him in most of his fights really most of his title fights and Even for this fight you come down a gym and add a few days down a gym where sort of went through this is what I think can Know there's gonna do this what I think you need to do And then we've done some film studies for him sent it over to him Just to say look this is my opinion you know, this is what I think and I Think this fight is gonna ball down to who's better prepared Not physically not who's better who's more fit who's better prepared for the up because the level of IQ in that boxing will be a joke Ridiculous Canelo's IQ is ridiculous and Billy Joe's IQ is ridiculous So I just think he's gonna be a battle of who is more tactically aware who Understands what their opponents trying to achieve by what they're doing