 First it didn't sound like a scream. It sounded like some kind of a whistle screams of little children. Yes Come back to our stupid tricks. Do you have some Corbin? I'm Rick Welcome Hi, how you doing? Doing good happy 100th birthday To I'm hoping this is when we're gonna drop this That's the plan. It's it depends on if one other thing happens. I guess best laid plans of mice and men Of the it's a Bengali film by the Infamous yes more than famous yes If you don't know that story me goes Saturated right Ray right right right. I didn't know is it both No, no, I thought somebody said it was both. Is it a swarior Ray? Might be no Anyways, but it's the 19 what year 66 1966 film Nyak or the hero is that you put that nyak almost what is it? It's actually Nyok Because Bengali. Yeah, you know the O's the O's habits, but yes, Nyok Which is Bengali's favorite cereal Cheerios. Yep. Hmm. No, it would have to be something with fish and rice Cereal yeah with fish. Absolutely gross And the translation for it. It's interesting and Johnny was asking me the if that was the you know If she thought after I watched it up, I thought that was the better Translation for it because that's technically not What the root meaning is I mean it can be hero, but it really does mean lead actor Yeah, but obviously an Indian cinema. We know it as the hero exactly We even know here unless it's a superhero movie. You don't call your leads heroes, right? And I actually after watching the movie Think that the hero is a perfect title perfect title. Absolutely. Yeah, so 1966 It's a in route to Delhi to receive an award a Bengali film star reevaluates his success for fellow passengers dreams and past experiences written directed by Satya Jit Rai and composed by Satya Rai and then cinematography by Subrata Mitra who I believe was also his cinematographer on the appu. Yes, and well other things right many many things Starring Sartaj's mom. Yes and Uttam Kumar and her name is Shumla Tagore. Yes Shumla, I realize that halfway Like I think we saw that one scene from this right on the train and then it just it recalled me I was like, oh, yeah, that's and because I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, is that it's it's not just mom. Yeah Well, I yeah, they uncanny. He looked I mean we've seen her obviously more but man does he favor his mom? Yeah, he does. Yeah, your initial thoughts Rick. I don't have a paragraph But of the Satya Jit Rai things we have seen thus far This is my favorite over the appu as much as the appu trilogy is groundbreaking undeniable and it is a meteoric rise debut especially with the first one for him I I Like this for the same reason I prefer Beethoven over Mozart. Hmm. This is to me a Of the things we've seen this is by far in a way his most personal work Hmm, and it's got some flaws and I like the flaws Yeah, in the same way that Beethoven when he wrote everything was scratched and I I feel like this was really a work of Where the other one had a lot of his vision and his tech technology and his Flexing his muscles as the director. Yeah, I felt like this one Tapped more into if that one was autobiographical storytelling. I felt like this one was a Therapy session inside the mind of Satya Jit Rai. Yeah, and because of that I Mean it's it's hard to pick the two as far as what's the better film, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I This is my favorite of his films because I think it's so I think it's so freaking personal And I think it is so brilliant and different than the things we've seen him do in many respects I'll get into that but I I Love that that was shocking to me that you said you've loved it above a poo. Yeah, that's crazy. This is my favorite of his as well I was good. I was watching it. I was like, this is extremely different Mm-hmm, which makes me respect him even more Yep, the fact that even though a poo the poo trilogy three films and then the other one which I always forget the name of it It's not the wife the wife, which I enjoyed Rick didn't enjoy as much But yeah, that would be my least favorite by the ones that that was a little at least similar to a poo in terms of Style wise in terms of all and so I was like, okay, this is just type of director We have and then you kind of just kicked everything out sure did and it was like oh Okay, so you could do you could do a bunch of different stuff. Yeah, this is the most stylized film of his Obviously, we've haven't seen a lot of who's is what three of who trilogies one of the film This is our fifth six that you count the short film to two. Yeah, right But I thought this was incredibly smart. It was incredibly a classic feel to it Yeah, it it gave me even though it wasn't Like sci-fi it gave me Twilight zone. That's it, right? I said that many times I was watching it with with Andrani She saw it as a little girl and was rewatching it with me and there were especially the nightmare sequences I said, okay, if he wasn't a Rod Sterling fan and didn't like the twilight zone Then this is a strange uncanny coincidence. It's in the twilight don't always had some sci-fi E slash supernatural kind of thing going on behind it This didn't have that but it had the vibes Especially in the dream sequences and there's a lot of cinematography It's just even some of the the score behind it even though it was a very M score Which it was reminiscent of a lot of his other films Even though a lot of it didn't have score behind it I thought it had a lot of the vibes and I really really enjoyed that and I love the style Like stylistic feel of the whole thing that he took some risks with it And I always enjoyed it. So, yeah, I totally agree. I really really enjoyed this film I I let's talk about him. I enjoyed his performance a lot This is our first time seeing Say his name with Tom Kumar Which I know he was a Bengali legend big right monster movie star Andrani's mom had a big movie star crush on him growing up In fact when we were watching it her mom came in to bring her some cha and biscuits to eat and saw What was on the TV and I saw her stop And then she sat down on the bed next to Andrani And then she stayed there. It was the remaining half hour of the film He just stayed the whole time watching it was it was great. So yeah, he's a huge Bengali star of the day Yeah, I really enjoyed his performance. It was all over the place Because obviously you went through a whole a whole bunch and I thought it was smart of him to get an actual star for this Yeah, absolutely because obviously this the character he's playing is a massive star I thought of him almost like a an srk level star, right? Absolutely, even though his personality isn't much like srk But his the stardom correct, so that's what I was envisioning a srk level star legend That is You know even srk talked about in one of his interviews that we saw I was like he has to be conscious of what his audience wants He's was for a long time Tied to the box office. Yeah, which is one of the big things I liked about this is What satchel did rye had to say about the movie industry? Oh, yeah, which you know, we echo a lot today, yeah um He I have so much to say about this and for morning you Andrani and I have already done a 30 minute afterthought. Oh, really? Yeah, so I'll be putting the afterthought up because there's so much to talk about So anything we didn't get into here you can go to my personal channel There's gonna be an afterthought between we I have her skyped in so you can see and hear her um I felt like I mean we could spend the whole time and I won't because it's on that afterthought But I could spend the whole time just talking about what I think He was symbolizing what he was talking about and as it pertains to that one of the first lines at the very beginning That I found to be very intriguing was when he was explaining to her that he had been Accused of being a puppet by his theater teacher. Yeah, and he said to her Was Marlon Brando a puppet? James James Dean and he's genuinely Trying to figure that out and she and I'll mention this obviously in the afterthought but for me This was such a deep thing and I don't think he meant any One person to represent exactly the same thing I think there were people on the train that represented aspects of his own personality And I think there were people on the train that asked that represented Circumstances that he's been in and I thought she for me was This was the voice of his conscience. Yeah, she was jimmy cricket. Yeah, their chemistry was off beautiful It was it was wonderful. And she This is our first time actually seeing her. She's a wonderful actor. Well, no, we saw her in the opu trilogy Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's what I was gonna say was when we first saw her in that It was obvious. Yeah, it was like, okay. Yeah, you're Made for cinema. Yeah, there's so beautiful to look at and what I love and this is a guys There's a point in the film this same segment Where he's talking with her and he says everything we learned about movies we learned from america and everything we learned about acting and if you notice in this film if you watch this film and this is 1966 And Thank you marlon brando and leash drossberg and everybody who was at the pinnacle and james dean of method acting and grounding the work in in realism and believability because The groundedness of this is what we're looking for in in modern-day cinema because It's been since the days in the inception since street her name desire hit It's been about realism and believability unless the film call like unless it calls for a Choice right unless there's an artistic decision by the director or the style of the film itself to take it in a direction that This is what you're supposed to be as actors. Everybody in this was really doing their especially our two leads I felt we're grounded I loved some of the choices that he made to accentuate that where He just had a static shot of the two of them and I really enjoyed how he did just the slow pan He said something and then the slow pan She was now talking and then the slow pan He says something and the dream sequences Lot to say about those but stylistically if you just turned those on and didn't know what you were watching You'd think you're watching with twilight. Absolutely. Yeah, especially the one with the money It was the cinematography that shot out once again to the satcha satcha di rai and um um Say his name Man the cinematography especially in that same. I mean the whole thing the lighting of course was Wonderful, especially for black and white. It's just it's an art form in and of itself. Yeah, uh, but the dream sequence Was something out of a a classic Like it almost felt horror. It did like it did and even though the film wasn't horror That's what it felt like and that's a good place to talk about like that first nightmare when he had the piles of money It does convey the obvious warnings about and the negativity about uh movie stars Doing it for the love of money, right? But I really felt it went a lot deeper into the psyche of satcha di rai and the recognition of If you were in this position yourself, don't be so quick to judge And I think he was dealing with that himself because this is 10 years after opu Right, so he's got an established sense of stardom himself notoriety money making And that's that's intoxicating and no one is immune to it no matter how much you think you immune to it Stallone said this recently about you may think well if I had that money, I'm never going to do that I'm never going to do that and then the next thing you know You're on a yacht with 50 of your friends in the middle of the caribbean and you're like crap. I'm doing it Uh, because it's that difficult to turn away from and I love the symbolism Of what I think he meant as opportunity With the skeletons holding the phones ringing and that Now that you're at this place and at first you're relishing in the fact that you're making the money But now the artist in you Is realizing that you've sold yourself to the highest bidder And all the phone calls that come in are harder and harder for you to turn away from because each of them is connected To this big stash of money and as he sucks into it What's the thing he remembers and looks toward his theater teacher who connected him to the love of the art Who doesn't pull him out? Reaches but he himself and droney pointed out has decayed Everything about why he was doing what he was doing as an artist had grown so old and broken and distant from him And he was now a victim of his own creation by having chosen box office money and fans Over artistry and audience and I thought I thought creativity the writing get it really subtly as well of Leaving this story I love the whole it's just a train ride Uh thing, uh, it's and that's that's the entire thing. He talks to all these different people I love the every conversation between the main two leads. I love the conversation with the old Oh, that was fantastic. Especially at the end when he's drunk He's drunk and then just both looking at each other and the old guy just does this Because he told him but that too I thought because droney asked me what I thought about the old guy She said did you think that represented him? What do you think that represented? You know who who what was it? I said, I don't I don't want to oversimplify I mean, I think the train itself Is the recognition of this journey that every artist is on with this journey that sachi jarai is on in his life And that I think and we met it early on I really do think if if he was around That would be pointing to The societal mindsets that have become so structured and so Calcified in the name of higher morality that they've missed the point that what they're fighting for Isn't for things that are morally upright What they have done is become ridgeless religiously legalistic and missed The realities of just human existence and and the level of what life really is in the name of I have the moral high ground. Yeah, and how that impacts people's not just their lives, but their their artistry. Yep. Yeah, one of my favorites Some Stylized shots it only happened a few times every single time you put on his glasses. Yes It got in a really close-up side shot. It was on purpose. Yeah, and he became the hero every single time He put on those glasses and from the beginning when he got on the phone call To when he got off the train to I think there was one other time as well But every single time he put on that His clear facade he became Yeah, the hero his voice changed his his demeanor changed the shot was a very stylistic shot And the eyes were the window to the soul And yes a lot of celebrities wore sunglasses because the flashes of the photography are just blinding and you can't see But many of them are using it as a protective thing and to hide themselves and I found it a beautiful juxtaposition To have his conscience wearing clear glasses the whole time And I loved at the end The difference between I mean when when she says goodbye, I said out loud Don't let her go and I meant it. I meant it too full I meant it relationally like I think he found the perfect match. She's somebody who would not be enamored with him but she would Relate to him as who he is, you know the difference between Michael Jackson versus Michael, right when they get off the train He's got the glasses on and he's in celebrity mode and he's he's in what he's in But the difference with her is that she's just very down-to-earth and practical and with that person who I think was her dad And I do think I'll ask you this question before I answer it myself Do you think he ends the journey changed and I have something to point to that that is evidence of my answer to that question Do you think he ends the? train travel Changed and if so for the better or for the worse I don't know. I could see it. I could see both I'm glad such as Ryan did it the way he did. Me too You know, I love those endings that lets you decide. I'm I'm hoping they never met ever again That's just my hope I wanted to be like this was just a passing. It was a great passing relationship Um, but yeah, I'm hoping and I love the way he just she walked off screen He was talking to them and it just the end. Yeah, I did. I love that. I don't I don't know if he changed I I could I could I could see that he that he did but I don't know I have a feeling I'm a skeptic I think he did and this is where I think it isn't my own Imposition of optimism on the movie. I think it's evidenced by this I think the the relationship he has Small as it is With the girl with the fever So when he first gets on She's just watching him And she's not like other fans now granted She doesn't feel well But all she is is smiling and amazed that the star that she loves is there and the mama says that we've seen all your movies Except the most recent one because she's been sick And it really doesn't dawn on him at the moment what's occurring Then He comes in later And he's noticing her. He didn't really notice her before But now we notice was her and he puts his hand on her makes his hair your fevers come down and he recognizes this one Isn't a fan who wants something for me or his who is deifying me and kneeling and worshiping at the altar of Who I am She's she genuinely is someone who loves my artistry And then when he sits down later on She's in her mama's lap and he asks her if she The mom says can you do a favor for her? She wants an autograph and he says oh give me your autograph book And the mom says she doesn't have an autograph book And it registers with him It's huge that she doesn't have an autograph book. She's not a celebrity hunter. She's not a gossip monger She doesn't collect autographs the only reason she wants his autograph is because of her there'll be a remembrance of that personal connection And he writes it Not on a napkin Not on some random. He actually takes the time to find a picture of himself And writes on it and if i'm not mistaken He's not wearing glasses in the picture It's a headshot with the glasses off and to me that symbolized that this trip I think brought him back to the place where maybe sachi jirai himself was struggling at the time of his fame Of it's so tempting to now make things that the audience wants or that The people around me want or the people who give me money to make what I want want But am I going to be true to what I really do this for am I going to do this because I love the art form Or am I going to do this because now it's what the audience expects of me And he Proved his decision by the film this film itself. This film is not Made for box office success. Yeah, this is made for the film festival circuit. Yeah, right. Absolutely. Yeah Really really enjoyed it. There's so much we could obviously talk about I said I got a 30 minute after thought already But yeah, uh, we wanted to get to at least one For his birthday. We're gonna get to every one of his work before before it's all over and we either are dead When by the way, who who's the girl she was great What are my favorite moments in the movie is the scene Where he's thinking about daydreaming about the girl who came to him and said she wants a part and he said Are you married and she bursts into tears? And then he said what's the matter? She said see I can act That was great. I love that scene. Yeah, I don't know who she was. I can't I don't remember her name And there's also we could say a lot and I do in my afterthought thing about The man with the pipe who runs the apex and the the the girl who I think the man with the pipe is another aspect of side to dry, but again, we could There's there's a whole bunch this film has a lot to say Uh, and I think it does it really really well So let us know what the next such a ride film we should watch. I hear the music room is really good Obviously, I'm sure I don't know if it's gonna be any good. His track record. Yeah, he's a bad track record He's probably made two good films. Yep And they're both named a poo. Yeah Actually, none of them are named Let us know that tomorrow Let us know what's the next such a ride film should be down below