 We'll do it day in and day out, playing and play out. That's really where we got to be able to take the next step. To navigate, a lot of guys have been talking about the swagger. And I know you want that, but you're also not far removed. I know last year's last year, we've given up over 50% on third down. Yep. And I imagine you want them to stop some people before they're flustered. Yeah, no doubt. I think it all goes into confidence. I mean, we're working on our confidence right now. I think that's a big part of this game, is knowing you can line up across from somebody and out execute them, out play them, out hit them, whatever that might be. And I think guys improve when they gain confidence. When they gain confidence to challenge, when they gain confidence in the techniques that we're teaching them, I think you see improvement. So obviously as a unit, we want to take the field with a mindset. We got to earn it. We got to earn it every single day. It's not just out here. It's going to come whenever that first game is. But ideally, every time we take the field as a unit as individuals, I want these guys to think that they're going to execute. We're going to get it done. And we're going to find ways to win each down. That swagger, having Jenkins, having Jackrabbit in here, I'm sure that contributes to it. How does that, and when you see him out there going hard, how he does each rep, how does that help? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, whenever you have a veteran like that who's done it a long time and has success and you see the way he practices and competes and goes about it, I think it rubs off on everybody, regardless of the position group, even the wide receivers, right? I think that's contagious. And the thing with him is he's constantly talking, constantly coaching guys up, constantly trying to turn the tide, because every game there's going to be something, right? It's not always going to be perfect. We understand that. He understands that from playing so long. And I think his leadership and being able to turn the tide and get our guys to respond and kind of change the mojo when it's not going our way. Last year, you guys had really high snap counts for guys like Harold and Clowney when he was healthy with the addition of Simon, Autry and the improvement in Tarte and Murchison. Do you perhaps maybe see rotating guys in that front seven more early throughout the game so that they're fresher in the fourth quarter? Absolutely. You always want to be able to keep guys fresh, especially in the fourth quarter. As you guys know, every game is close in the NFL. You've got to be at your best in the fourth quarter. And developing that depth, like we've seen flashes, but again, it goes back to consistency with those guys. Who we can count on come Sunday, play in and play out. But the more depth we have at those positions, the better off we're going to be and we'll be able to roll and do all those types of things that, ideally, we want to be able to do. Are you feeling more comfortable with that than you did last year? I do right now. I do right now. We'll see where this goes. What benefit is it going to be to your guys going against a caliber receiver like Julio and AJ every single day? Yeah, man, I think it's invaluable. Like, they're competing against the best. They are. And for some of our guys, they're competing with guys who are challenging matchups for them just in terms of their size and speed and all that they bring. Hopefully, it makes it easier come Sunday, right? And we got game one. We got a great task out the gate with the guys they got, right? So I think it's going to help them understand the techniques they got to play to play those types of receivers one. And secondly, if we can challenge and win those matchups, it's just going to build their confidence. We've got seven or eight interceptions so far, Ken. What does that tell you? And maybe who are the guys that are making it? What is Breon, Alani? Yeah, I mean, Hook showed up in a few different coverages making some plays. I mean, he's been savvy back there. He's always been a smart football player. I think he's kind of starting to learn the ins and outs of playing the game a little bit more so than just his job, so to speak. Breon's been good up to this point. Again, just consistency day in and day out playing and play out for him. But I think he showed a lot of improvement coming into camp versus where he was at in the spring, even. I think he busted his butt in those five or six weeks away, and he's come back ready to go. But those guys are finding ways to stay tight in man. And then in all the other stuff that we do, they're finding ways of getting the right spot and break on throws. You're saying in your, I guess, kind of different role this year in terms of on the field and in the meeting rooms, too. How have you been able to do different things without having to worry about a specific position? Yeah, I mean, I've been able to bounce around meeting rooms. Again, I think it goes back, and you guys heard a lot last year, like the coordination, the communication, making sure everybody's on the same page, right? And now the DB sees something one way. I can immediately walk in the linebacker room and say, hey, man, this is what we're thinking. This is how they see it, right? So everybody sees things the same ways. We're communicating things the same way. So I think that's been a tremendous asset, being able to bounce from the room, also being able to understand and make sure we're getting coached what we want coached, right? That's part of it. I want to make sure they're here and what we want, and then when we go in the unit room, they better be able to spit it back, and I know they got that covered, right? And then obviously out in the field, just being able to touch all those guys, but I think building the relationships with the guys, that's a big part of it. That last year, I don't think was there, where I think this year it's growing, and that's becoming a bigger piece for me. You guys feel more comfortable with you in year two? The fact that your role is actually clearly defined this off season, do you think that has helped you clearly define a lot of their roles? Yes, absolutely, I do. I think it's helped, I think just with everybody, with the coaching staff, with the players, I think it's been good up to this point they kind of understand where the buck stops, and it is what it is. So I'm excited for the opportunity, I really am. I'm excited the ways these guys are going about working right now, and kind of what we're trying to get accomplished in defense. It's great to be here on practice, and obviously Coach Ravel, yourself, how has that whole synergy gone under something that you talked about before, Ken? Yeah, man, it's been great having Schwartz here, it really has. He's a great sounding board for me as things go. Obviously Mike, he knows it all, right? So I can always turn to him, but Schwartz has been great. Like anything that comes up, we talk through everything, we go through kind of our plan for different scenarios. I think as we get more into even situations, some of that type of stuff, his experience with some of that stuff is going to pay dividends too, but I'm super excited he's here. Like he's been a great asset to me so far up to this point, I expect that to continue. It seems to be a pretty solid plug-and-play for you guys right now. Yeah, I mean, he's familiar, like with the system. Obviously we had him in Houston. He's about what we're about. Like he's tough, he plays hard, he's going to play with technique. That's how he's made his career so long. And he's, like I said, he's familiar with us too, right? As people, like, I know John back to Ohio State just like Mike in 2012. So there's some familiarity there just with our personalities, who we are, and I think he really fits what we're trying to get across in terms of our culture, defensively, and as a team. What's the process like in trying to incorporate them more into what you're doing on a day-to-day basis? Yeah, man, it's good to see him out here actually doing something finally. I mean, we'll see as he keeps progressing whenever that is that he can get back in there. We'll see how it goes. But he's been engaged in meetings. I think he's soaking everything up. I think Jack Rabbit has helped him tremendously in that regard. He's always in his ear, teaching, coaching, giving them pointers and different things. I mean, time will tell. He's got to get out here and go. Like, we're doing drills right now and that's great, but when he has to line up across from somebody and actually cover them, we'll kind of see what it is. AJ and Julio out there, receivers are only getting bigger in the league. Does that make a guy like Caleb that much more belligerent? Absolutely. I think if you can match the size and that type of length and that type of skill set, I think it's rare. And if you have a guy like that, you obviously aren't as concerned with the size match up down the field and those down the field throws. What's the more penetration are you looking for from your interior line than you got last year? And what's the key to maybe being a two-way player there in terms of clogging things up for the run but also being able to close the pot? Yeah, I think that group right now is making big strides up to this point, Paul. It is. Guys got to know what they do well in that position. I'm a run stopper and my transition is this. Or I'm a pass rusher and I got to focus on this in the run game. Every guy is different with their skill set. Even down there, like a nose is dramatically different than a three-technique, right? And I think the biggest thing down there is knowing your skill set and using it to your advantage. Because like Coley, for instance, he's dramatically different than Thierre Tartt, right? So there's a lot of different skill sets and those guys understanding who they are in both the run game and as rushers. I think that plays a big part. DC Laundry is someone who has a position, versatility. We saw him play some of the edge in Indianapolis. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that's why he's here, to add value in a lot of different ways for us. Obviously, on third down, the flexibility to move inside and do some of that, have a bigger body, which we really haven't had in the past at times. And then to be able to play first, second down, outside, absolutely mix in inside at times, like he's a valuable piece because he does have that versatility. We're getting a lot of the defensive players have talked about having a chip on their shoulder with the way last season went. I mean, how much do you, I guess, encourage that without harping on last year too much? Yeah, I think you've got to learn from last year. I do. I think in the off season, we evaluate it. And we come back to them with a plan on ways to improve. I think now that we're kind of into 2021, like it's areas of emphasis for us. Like it's not about last year. It's about this year. We've got to make sure, like third down, red zone, all the turnovers continue, right? Like we make sure we emphasize those things. But like last year's over, like we're a new team. We got a lot of new pieces. Like half the guys in our defensive room were here last year, right? But understanding as a unit that, hey, these are areas we struggled with, like we're going to make a big emphasis on this early on. Like we've got to be better here. Because if we're better here, it's going to carry over to be better throughout a lot of different areas defensively. How different is the practice experience you did this year compared to last year when you were working in an individual drill and how did you try to divide in time? Yeah, man, I like it a lot now. Being able to bounce around, hear the different things the coaches are teaching them, see the guys go through, holding them accountable. To making sure they make every rep count, we only have so much individual time to develop that technique and fundamentals. So holding those guys accountable, to making sure they're making each rep count. But I've enjoyed it. I think it goes back to building relationships too, making sure they see me watching them see me over there. It's not just me in a meeting room telling them to, hey, on this play, you do this. There's a lot more that goes into it. Have another third down last year. As you said, has that been as much emphasis as you can remember on a particular situation so far in camp? Yeah, I would say up to this point, we've gotten some third down work these past couple of days. We've gotten some resume work throughout as we've started here. And both those have been major emphasis for us. And I think just the technique and fundamentals and being square and understanding the down and distance, understanding all the little things that go into every situation, first and foremost, before the balls even snap. I tell them all the time, if we can be 100% before the ball snap, then they've got to beat us. And too many times last year, we weren't ready to go. We've got to be set. We've got to be ready to rock and roll. We've got to make them beat us. We've got to be coordinated what we're doing. If we can handle our business before the ball snap, the onus falls on them. All right, appreciate you guys.