 You're welcome back to the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Our next conversation is about security consciousness. Now, in the light of all the farmers' headless clashes in the country, the Ocean State government says it's developing a novel way to tackle insecurity. And it says the reason for this basically is to preserve lives and property. And this new way they're advocating is to capture the data of all herders in Nigeria or in Ocean State. And that's the of Fulani al Boruro descent. So Fulani Boruro herders in Ocean State would have their data captured and they would have identity cards to basically ensure that there's more security in Ocean State. And we've invited a security upon public affairs analyst, Mr. Mac Adebayo, to discuss that with us. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Now, how do you take the news that the Ocean State government to begin to register and capture the data of Fulani Boruro herders in their state? It is a common way, waste of time resources. Very very common. You know, there are some governments in this country, especially in the south, who are so desperate to satisfy the presidency as the expense of their own people. You know, I don't know what an ID card would do for a killer adder. Or what is that going to be? It's absolutely useless. It does nothing to do with protecting the rights and properties of our people. And please, let me correct this very, very wrong impression that the media has had the killer adder to serve to the populace under the war. There is no farmer adder clash. You cannot say somebody who is in a farm walking with who are caught last is clashing with somebody who's taken by the same one. It is not the farmer adder clash. It is under terrorism. So let's not do that. There's no clash. There's no clash. Somebody is in the farm, walking in the farm, somebody goes there to attack you, you are asking that they clash. Like our, here you leave, you call the Pakistan. You cannot say that the terrorism of violence of killer adder is like the two fighting between farmers and adders. Meanwhile, the killer adders do not limit their violence of bloodshed and terrorism to farms, you know. They go into towns and villages and cities and leverage the operation. So it is the violence and terrorism of killer adders who are of the rest of us. All right, Mr. Adebayo. All right, Mr. Adebayo. I want us to hold on, please. I want us to go back to Oshoom State and talk about, you know, this move once again to give identity cards and registration to the Fulani headers over there. Do you think it might at least be able to give the state government an idea of who and who, you know, in the state has cattle, so they can be held accountable, you know, if there's challenges. And of course, it makes it easier to point out those in the states that are illegal. All right, can you hear me? All right, can you hear me now? I'm hearing, but it's not clear. All right, I'm trying to find out, you know, your views on Oshoom State government being able to register the Fulani headers and recognize them so that whoever else that walks around the state with cattle that doesn't have identity can be seen as illegal. That is where you see them. It's where you see them that you accuse them of acts of their identities. Those who are going to keep people, or rape people, or visual crimes, or visual cities, and carry out terrorist acts, and give identity populations a result. Are not going to move in the daytime. They always carry out their atrocities at night. So if you don't see that they are caught, if you don't you see actually for them to identify themselves. All right, without modesty, I'm sorry to say, but it's a very foolish idea, you say you are banging open gracing, burning, simplicity, burning, stop the movement of animals across our cities and villages, once and for all. And then we move away from this nonsense. People are being accused, people are being raped, cities are being raped now, and all you do is do it, and we want to identify you. Just because we will do the tag capturing, we will do it all, all this nonsense. We have people at the time, we have the identification process in the way of time. Like I said, the government and the people of the government are so desperate to please the president, because the president himself is the other. And you have been saying that online TVS, the leader, government came to meet him in Abidah, and he said they go back and free support them by themselves. You are elected to free support them, don't look for somebody else to free support them for them. But this is a common way, a very common way of trying to escape the responsibility of the part of the state, of the state government of motion. IB card, or no IB card, these guys continue killing and raping and destroying of many people. They will continue kidnapping. The whole world, the entire world, except the Nigerian government of Naguari, recognizes the killer others as the first various terrorists all over the world. In Nigeria, they have refused to capture them as terrorists. Because the president is detected in keeping the violence good. And let's go to say so. Everyone here today, when we were being asked questions about this open grating, you said you have given instructions, you have ordered that they should go and bring them with you in the desert, and trade them all out to move them and bring them down to the road. And if there's anybody who has a coat of arms to bring them, they will be removed. Whether it's the school or the school or everything. And I would like the president who lives in the 1940s, in the 1930s, guys in the roots in 2021, he doesn't want to close more classes. How long does it allow him to remove my house, say that I am on virgin roots, or my school, or my investment? But why do you think that if everything about this president is about capturing others? Everything about him, everything about what has dominated our life and policy in the last years of him. Okay, so Mr. Maka Debayo. Okay, Mr. Debayo, we'll talk about that in more detail much later. But regarding the concern by the Oshun state government to have an identity for these herders, so that they can easily help in security tracking. How about the national identity numbers? We had a nationwide registration for that. And even if these people are foreigners, the NIN requirements had said that if they're staying in Nigeria for more than two years, they should register for NIN. So why don't you think the Oshun state government is focusing on NIN registration for herders instead of a totally new registration? He wants to, in particular, he doesn't want to eliminate the president, I mean. But if the president has, according to him, over 200 years of chaos, but those cows are ranched, they are in his farm. They are not moving about, they are not going about their work. They are in his farm. And he said yesterday when he retired, we're going back to that farm. But you see, I want you to look at the hypocrisy of this government. The Oshun identity program is just to buy time, just to win for time. They don't want to eliminate the president. That's all. We don't know if it will be for the second time. We don't really have time to have a meeting of certain governments. It is not good. Now, we just really want to be, you know, getting pregnant and that is it. But how, which we have more governments like, Somaloto, how, which we have more governments like, if you're dealing with Oshun, who will take no losses? Who will not submit or surrender the life of these people? For them to live. No, no, no, no, no, we are hypocritical. Identical for what? How about who are going to farm? If they do, don't they have identity? Somaloto, maybe they have government assets, maybe they have identity, the national identity card, maybe they even have, what do you call it? What is the, what is the bank, the bank registration number? Now, you want to give a density to Kathuadas, most of whom are Thilaadas. That is not going to achieve anything. If you don't, if you have boarded them to do what they have to do, it's because they will say, we have identity card. So, you know, you say whoever has a identity card cannot commit crime. Good question there, Mr. Adebayo. See, when we look at this whole situation regarding identity card, Osho State is not the first to be saying this. Delta State has said, you know, earlier in 2019, that they were going to issue identity cards to headers. Eboni State said this earlier in about February, that they were going to issue identity cards to headers. But that was the, that was all we heard of it. Osho State government is saying this now in June 2021. But don't you think that maybe they have a different spin on it? They'll be different from Delta and Eboni. I don't see anything different. Those two states you mentioned have come out of bad or completely out of tragedy. They've come to discover the continuity of issuing identities to terrorists. You know, they discover that they do do anything, do protect their people. People have continued to be killed and mailed to Eboni State. In a massive way, look at Delta State and Delta State last year, came out and removed all the handouts of Eboni State in its local government. In issues and executive order. That was, that was the look at government drama. Not governor, not anything. But we cover it up a bit more time. It's not clear whether it's being moved. It's not clear whether anybody in the real business will send anybody out on him. In fact, executive order, they look at our Bushes, we arrest them in our Bushes. What have we done with governors in this outlet? Yeah, Mr. Debye, what would you suggest that governors should be able to do in their individual states to protect their people? We've tried the Amotecum idea, but that didn't or hasn't seemed to completely read the Southwest of these killings. The Southeast, of course, has the Bubeagu. So what would you suggest that every governor should be able to do in his individual states? And also, why does Nigeria seem to not want to take the same Twitter route with regards to Headsmen? Let me answer the last question first. Why Nigeria is reluctant to deal head on with these other members? It's because we have to send them with their last petrol. And whose body of local landings are very clear that it is a misdievous culture and you cannot stop them. Why, you say, they are killing? The question is, they are from outside the country. But all the same, if you want to open up all the individuals, for Polina, for Polina, that's what's in it. But because, is that the answer we wanted or not? Who are these people who are in Nigeria and Nigeria? But when it comes to Kilaada, they are Polina. Look at their cookies. There's also anxiety on the part of the president. You know, my big day, the problem with this government has been in support for Kilaada. Now, you see, what this state can do? That's why I said, we need like six state governors in Southwest, Owa, Ayodheliparachi. Who will lead from the front? You roll your cow through my cow. We capture the cows. We kill them so that they must share the meat. We send you to jail. That is Ayodheliparachi. Whether you are dealing with refugees or not, it was able to protect you. It brought out the order, not after every Aga you see. Aga in the city or in the farms. That is the government. That is orange. That was the truth is real. That was humanism. So look, the primary purpose of government shall be the welfare of the people and the protection and security of the people. It went out as a president governor, even with that support of the government, and really the Aga Kilaada. You don't need permission from the president. Those two governors went to Aga and suspected the activity of the people. Nobody went to pretend the activity of the people. That is the activity of the people. You are elected to show the government, go back and show the people. You don't look for somebody else to show the government. We are one of the governors. I will return to my state. I will have you. I will have everybody to go out of this collapse. That's what I will do. We should show nobody around this issue. We should start, we should stop, we should stop romanticizing criminality and terrorism. We don't want to please anybody. The angle you spoke about with regards, well, from your perspective, wanting to please the presidency or seeking a second term, those are really, really strong statements. I'm not sure if a lot of people would agree with that. But at the same time, if you read the report, there's also been talks of trying to build a harmony between the Fulani settlers and, of course, the Oshun state indigens. So, do you think that's also important in this conversation? Do you think that there's ways that they can also build and make a lot better the relationship between the indigens and the Fulani settlers? These are still others. There is no economic peace with the devil. It will break the agreement. They will pretend that they want you. They will pretend that they are sorry. But in the next two days, they are coming after you. There will be more deaths. There will be more destruction. Go and study the issue of others all over West Africa, Africa, Ghana and Russia, and get to the amenities this actively. Yeah, but Mr. Adebayo, not every... There are two here. Not every... I don't talk to them. Yeah, Mr. Adebayo, what I'm trying to point out is not every Fulani settler is a herder. Not all of them is necessarily moving cattle. And at the same time, even those who are moving cattle, not all of them are violent or killers. So, there has to be a way of identifying those who have continued to maintain law and order in the place where they've been made welcome. And also, I've been able to point out the fact that there are certain numbers in these persons who have been violent, who are bandits, who are killers. So, don't you think it's also important that they are able to accommodate those who choose to live in peace with other indigenous national state? I have no problem with those who live in peace with their hosts. But look, obviously in the arrogance of the Nicaragua, today we mean that the wishes of Hordo, the voice of Hordo were imbibed by Fulani and that before the Yoruba people were ever there. Did you listen to their language, the statement that the Fulani owed the whole of Nigeria? Did you hear their threat to the Benares State Governor? How they are carrying out their threat? I don't want us to particularize this issue about a few, maybe it's a group of few who are living peacefully with their host. We are talking about a pandemic of violence and bloodshed by killer adders. You know, I try to respond to them as Fulani because I don't want to see killer adders. We are not talking about those who live in peace. We are talking about those who are taking a people. Yeah, okay. And we are saying that the only solution to that we are talking about you are living peacefully or you are battling the terrorist character stop open policing, simple as a basic. That is, we are talking about solution to a major problem. Stop open policing and for bad open policing. Not identifying who is this, who is that. Just back it up. All right, Mr. Adebayo, thank you very much for your time, this one. Thanks for speaking with us. I wish you a peaceful day ahead. All right, Democracy Day June 12th. That's our next conversation. We're going to be speaking with Dili Farotimi to speak on Nigeria celebration, the talks of protests in here and there. Of course, heavy security presence that might be spread across the country to address protests and we'll be back after the short break.