 was trying to get out of this film it was literally it was like a contractually like i'm dead now can i leave they're like one ball are you like okay damn it robin daddy jr probably told her it's it's good to get out just get out then again oh yeah he's still when did they film it it was like fucking ages ago right yeah for a while she's probably already filmed more movies by now that she's probably forgotten all about black widow then she did the promotion Robert have you guys seen any of the promotional still on super awkward jesus christ wait what have you guys seen any of the promotional stuff super awkward in how such a black widow yeah this this is one where um david harbour is like oh she says like buy your tickets now and then he goes or else and then florins pew like awkwardly looks and goes or else what and then he goes or else and then he makes the uh you know slice throat symbol with a finger and then um they both go no no no no no no he goes yeah you'll you'll you'll not see it that's what that's what that means buy your tickets now and it ends you're like i don't know who writes ads but they're probably not top not um hating on another woman what the fuck hey look it's the only talent we have hiding on a man next week don't worry well is he is he the protagonist or is silphie um yes hello everybody welcome to efab number episodes 144 us we're six away from the anniversary rags free was really a run we're almost there yeah we've almost made it another year this bullshit yeah it's been a great set of media up to this point huh it's been a great year so far a lot of bangers a lot of really uh a lot of really good ones you remember 2019 there was like seven movies that came out that we were like these were good yeah yeah and we thought that was the bad year we thought it was yeah well now if it was like a good year like i would doubt right it seems pretty strong yeah oh um yeah you know plenty of fun ahead of us we're joined today by two regular faces um mootlo and indigo hello i was never here before what are you talking about you where i recognize you the crying one oh oh yes me i was here before nothing ever goes your way and you're always like yeah that's me it's terrible um and i missed the gaming how'd you do hey thanks for running me on i think this is my fifth appearance i think you're getting obsessive now okay you're desperate to talk about how shitty everything is i bet i don't say my number fuck that mel's is like your 70th appearance like it's probably your first time here yes it's probably reaching 150 appearance on the podcast of 144 episodes no but the movies and stuff as well those are those are offshoots those are those are not uh those are crazy spin-off episodes yeah the second we bought by disney they're going to decanonize all the movies oh man but yeah those are mostly that's most of them not canon batwoman was not canon and then everyone knows jacob can you know he's just gonna be gone that's fan fiction it's an unsanctioned third party cash in on the real material mm-hmm which is unfortunately not black what black widow is sadly uh also special guest to ruin he missed a madvocate how do you do you hello i'm doing fine we uh we had a look see your video last week it was pretty neat um but i do have to ask why you have to bully high top what's that about yeah i i just can't contain myself you know i just had to throw insult after insults because it's just it was just not a good video guys what i don't know what else to say i'll have you know the wonder woman doesn't solve her problems by punching people okay that's true you guys really got me hook line and sinker there yeah video was ruined i think that that's what she has that's special about it the other here is a kind of toxic in that way there's punch punch punch but she does a nice little i've seen it argued by the way that um you know in the opening when she like clearly destroys people's legs and arms um but they don't actually get hurt you know and she's like kicks someone and he flies like three meters above um i've seen people say like she's so talented now she's so in control that she can not only make it so that she can do stuff like that but she can do it without hurting people i do not believe you know a lot i feel like that's physically impossible i feel like you're lying to me i feel like that's a load of horseshit it reminds me that uh that batman parody on youtube a couple of years ago where it was like uh batman was like throwing uh ninja stars and like being the shit out of people and is like oh look at him he's all tuckered out he's like no batman you killed him now he's tired he's just taking a little nap he's sleeping i'm so good at shooting now i could kill you but doesn't hurt it's just boom actually that probably makes more sense without hurting you yeah that makes more sense than i shot you without a bullet hitting you yeah i just wasn't there like a comedy central bit about that way like lately shoot someone's like he's not dead he's sleeping or something i know it was actually comedy central i forgot who it was i think it might have been like college humor or something like yeah yeah yeah i think that's right but yeah yeah he was like oh look at him he's just tuckered out you know he's the little guy it's gonna be fine um but yeah it's seen a lot of people i've not watched it yet but you've done a flash season one and two breakdown is it or is it just the one yeah it's both season for both of the first two seasons so and it's mainly just breaking down like the the fight scenes if you can call them that who why uh why pick on a cw show they're pretty good from what i've heard that's why we see that's true i'm here to i'm here to bust that myth though like of all the tv show we've already done what that we've watched like as a thing longer than like 10 episode thing like haunting oh nine that was why do you think we chose batwoman it's um it's a favorite for us and i just think that if the flash is anywhere near as well written as black woman i need to see like that's how good it is i just i see them as the same thing i just don't see why you'd pick on it at all the clips that you showed from in our hit tops video i just thought it was an example of the flash not wanting to hurt people he turns up and says you can't outrun me and then they outrun him because he's trying to give him a chance yeah like i guess he just likes to tease his enemies a little bit he's a really nice guy so i don't see why you have to be a relatable hero yeah it's more it's more excellent relatable character writing that i expect from the c w i constantly let people escape justice because they're gay like me that's really yeah that's cute i like that um yeah it must be any fact because i've already seen someone post a fringy is wrong i don't even know what fringy said today that good job fringy yeah they're silently in the corner he's like he's fucking wrong i made you a little piss list they just rock it back and forth like i can't wait to fucking post that fringy is wrong i'm the poster yes my life is complete jumps off a building yeah oh you know i'm i'm gonna read this one ahead of time since black widow movie has proven natasha can survive falling many high places unhurt does it take away from the impact of endgame scene does fringy now have to update his video yeah i'm surprised she died doesn't really make sense does it she uh i don't know what happened but somehow she lost the ability to survive long we did that scene from rise of sky will get somehow natasha died everyone's like what she can't die it was like a mystical thing it was a floating red skull man he said there was a deal i don't know if it's touching the floor that kills you or if it's the grav I don't know yeah he's gotta admit that you were wrong about that and that is a plot hole we've all assumed it made sense but it does not somehow they didn't have to make it so obviously deadly her fault they didn't have to but they could have been like yeah he's a little busted up but you know it's okay it's nothing nothing unreasonable you know somebody worked on that shot for months probably and why ragdolling her around didn't have her crash and bumping every metal wall dude she can't survive this it's like shut up imagine that was the logic she was like i'm gonna jump walk out because this isn't gonna kill me dude and this is gonna be fine you'll get the stone and we'll both get out of here but then she actually does die and red skulls like haha it was a magical kill idiot from the other guys could survive falls like she could could you imagine if there was some like uh you know sequel recon scene where she's like hanging from the cliff it's like oh i'm glad they tricked them i better climb back up and escape this you know alternate dimension or whatever that's the thing they don't even need to do that anymore they'll just pull her out of an alternate dimension just be like yeah she's fine you're back now okay even though you could tell the russos wanted to pair the killer whether or like i tried to bring it back but i couldn't and then someone else can be like you didn't try hard enough help that's right again yeah like that the the multiverse's thing really destroys that because like how could you possibly kill her soul across infinite they will find the way yeah they just say oh that's what that's just out it's that's how the thing is that's what the rule is maybe it's a good idea that we don't want soul dies they all die oh no it was a good idea we don't bring up anything to do with Loki until next week because it's impossible for us to account for any of that alongside how stupid black widow is if Loki would never come up again but that's just wishful thinking oh yes well we're getting another season of that show because it was so hard yeah it was great if there was any show that i really wanted to see more of it it would be Loki bad one oh well obviously that's that's a given never wanted to stop um yeah so we're here today to talk about the events of the film black widow and um dispel the insane notion that this film is just bad because that's an unacceptable position you can't be can't be clay with that it's ridiculous it is uh well let's put it this way i think you would have caught us on um previous efeb saying you know what black widow that's probably going to be the the most normal most grounded most fine thing to come out of phase four that's probably probably going to be i don't see why it wouldn't be it's going to be very chill it doesn't have to be super high stakes we don't have to fuck around with space and time and the cosmos and fate and destiny and souls and things like that yeah it's the nice simple story about black widow doing a secret mission and stopping a bad man and with her guns and she's going to kick them and punch them and it's going to be great we're going to be nice and simple yeah very very approachable and very nice easy history's mostly written too um from previous films so it's really just one of them you walk the ball into the goal and you take your awards congratulations you did it um but it seems that they decided they wanted to do a little more they wanted to give up some of their own flair and they've added so much to our world that's in the mcu that has caused a few ripples you put it that way um and so yeah i don't really know where else to begin other than saying i have to like set the pieces on the old chess board a little bit uh as you understand the mcu you know you can you can keep it that way but now you're gonna have to add i guess drakov and his faction because a lot of people be like well what's what's what's that it's like um he was like a member of the soviet union but he split from them uh he's super rich super politically influential and he's running a world domination plot that involves taking girls from across the world and training them up to be um well like super secret mind-controlled assassins that will sit by side of of very important i think he has a line where he says like all great men have like a widow next to them or something something like that well he said that the world's greatest uh the one thing the world has too many of um which i was gonna say something like like dirt uh rocks rocks and maybe salt water sand the one resource that we just have too many of in its girls girls well i can explain yeah i'm i'm well sand gets everywhere so you see when they were writing all of this they'd almost finish the script and they're like oh shit we forgot to make the villain like super sexist what can we do about that it's like make him hate girls and it's like why it's like he just he just hates girls i guess he thinks there's too many of them what what does that even mean i don't yeah if you're gonna go through all the trouble to raise a bunch of super assassins to like fight people in hand to hand combat feel like you're gimpin yourself a little bit by arbitrarily deciding that it's it's gotta be girls um well was it was that the logic he chose girls to be his assassins because he considers like becoming an assassin essentially losing your personhood and therefore we should do it to girls because girls suck oh we can't take the personhood away from a man um well he clearly has uh men soldiers who will literally fucking kill themselves to attack the enemies so they're all faceless just mask wearing men well hey we we don't know those could be girls if they took their masks off even though they're clearly clearly have the physique and the body structure of a man who know it a scene where they take their helmets off they could be skinny girls underneath that and with the CGI body for the next scene you know they can all be old clones olga clones olgas they all have like a lord farquad suits where they're like a tiny little girl is that like a big some of you may die but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make such a legendary character he would have been great in this movie i reckon replaced right over the wine um so yeah uh i suppose that's good for a little character profile a little little added the character in there for people who are like who is this drakoff's like he is summarized by being an pathetic idiot who hates women that's basically drakoff nothing more don't forget that he lives in a flying sky castle that nobody has noticed yeah yeah so i guess that's perfectly yeah it's he it's enormous and it floats and moves around um it isn't stirred up to 20 is it 2017 and the mcu's timeline that's when it's blown up uh yeah yeah it's right after civil war or well it's inside civil war which i was civil or 2016 yeah okay yeah so it's yeah um and we're supposed to believe that nobody's noticed this thing throughout all of the mcu isn't a cloud it was there was cloud there was weather so yeah i think this really yeah yeah it really points out what it's totally clear what the hell well yeah i really really wish the u.s. government would point out you know unidentified flying objects that are over you know various uh air spaces you know tony stack would have found this thing and you'd be like what the fuck i think it's just there is just just imagine just fucking around on google maps and this is like this huge fucking flying cross does you look at it's like what is this you think you would notice the shadow or something or when it crosses in front of the sun or like all of the satellite feet of earth or radar or yeah something i guess nobody just i guess nobody noticed nobody noticed they just i maybe they thought it was a bird yeah this is one of those i don't believe you things um it's enormous it doesn't even it doesn't even have like the what are they called the retro reflexive panels or something yeah yeah like warrior like hell it's gone yeah the riders are just like fuck it's in the sky it's big it's massive and it's just and this is the thing you might be like why the fuck is that that what made it make that you're like no idea you couldn't have just had a base in russia on the ground you just yeah it's better than it floats the only reason that i can see them actually giving in the film was that it's hard to find its location as a result of this you're like uh huh it's hard to do it if it's like underground in the middle of yeah it took us years to find well he said that um oh sorry uh yelena said the the black widows get sedated when they go in and out of it so at that point why did you need it to be floating around anyway if everybody gets sedated so they can't possibly know the location then you may as well just have it underground what difference does it make yes it's a cool final level for it really is that it's very moving that's it we just have to we have to make it big it has to be this incredible grandiose bit of nonsense sci-fi floating base tech that may it it's ridiculous but that's that's how it's got to be we can't just have it be like a secret base underground and that would be crazy believe me this is all important to set the stage okay because he creates that thing and he has his whole faction and all this bullshit uh this is just all this is all ahead of time before you need to understand all this is the case and then we can begin history i guess because i just wanted a highlight as well the final battle when everything's destroyed and falling down it the tasha's just looking around that it's like oh the main structure fell over there it's fine yeah it's far away from you look around and she looked up and it just fell on her head like man that was anticlimactic but okay yeah i like that that that they killed all these people on this thing basically so many dead people on that fucking red room thing yeah we can hate it man or they hated women we can mention yeah we're probably gonna get it's probably a lot of women up there still no it's fine we would never kill a lot of innocent people no that's just that that doesn't feel like her character yeah she's like assassinating you could say that's the meta aspect of the film is that we how who will assassinate the assassins ah pretty cool yeah should should never kill people that were defenseless or anything like that in mass that's really out of out of her character the tasha is a good and well you know what that that leads into the next right so draykov exists and his plan is i'm gonna train up a bunch of girls and plant them across the world and eventually once everything is just right i'm gonna come out of the shadows and and then it gets kind of vague it's like i'm gonna control the world question mark he's like he misses he mentions obviously that he has like the power to end the stock market the stock market and the oil industry or whatever like just with a button i don't know is that all those assassin ladies all those black widows they're gonna blow up things and stab people yeah i don't know what his ultimate goal is i guess is what i'm saying i guess he just he's controlling stuff man so much to call the avengers or somebody hey there's a guy that they invented for this movie and he's gonna like make the world turn all flizmy you do something about it i just i just i just want to make sure somebody else knows it felt like there was a missing scene in this film like a cold open or something like that which showed like you know some some politician addressing a bunch of people and all of a sudden like his completely innocuous innocent-looking secretary just like pulls out a knife and like fucking kills them like really really brutally and that like cuts to like black widow it's like what the hell just happened like kind of showing the power that jacob wields because he discusses the potential but we never actually see his power in action we just see a bunch of black widows doing doing things and mostly just fighting each other at the movie we don't never see that the we never see the the actual power he wields because you have um the winter soldier explanation where um you know uh zola says every time history didn't cooperate we would make it out of cooperate or something like that he's like if so if a if a war did or didn't start that they wanted or if a politician did or didn't make a decision they wanted they would fuck with it and they've been doing that for many many decades but apparently drakoff had been doing it too like yeah oh man also but also the tba have been doing it as well yep yeah yeah you gotta level these little factions to be like i'm the one who's really in control he's like well no i'm the one who's really in control it's ridiculous at this point every time you see something you have to wonder what the what the strange super secret hierarchy of decision making and uh approval is from these clandestine organizations that may or may not yet exist and is nothing people can't just do things anymore i wouldn't be surprised if they fucking when they introduce galactus that they tell them like you know what kang will defeat you that he just goes i created kang we're like oh no now what yeah we go away if hydra was secretly infiltrating all of the the world you know organizations and stuff but also drakoff was too like you know were they buddies like oh i'm hydra yeah i'm from i'm from drakoff steam okay we're buddies or we're the enemies you know it's just there's so many secret organizations that it's really hard to keep track of who yeah it gets one thing who gets embarrassing you are embarrassed on behalf of the writers working together to make this universe because this universe is falling the fuck apart real quick and that's the one of the big the big challenges with the adventures is that they have just so many freaking plots and so many villains and so many overlapping stories that individually if you just took this movie as its own movie it wouldn't have nearly as many problems still have tons of problems but you wouldn't have all the other inconsistencies like imagine an adding ghost rider and mefesto and stuff like adding demons to the world we've got right now we're like um yeah feel like we can't handle this satan is actually influencing everybody through his you know sinfulness well now that they know the mcu is just like a money printing machine they're just gonna put everything in it yeah everything will now become the mcu and as long as it will see anything in the mcu as it looks slick as long as you got some kind of unified aesthetic via some well-known actors it'll be fine yeah also make them cry have scenes where they cry oh yeah absolutely people watch it people will love it people don't give a fuck about the writing people don't care even the people you expect to care the people on youtube who make their livings they're like discussing media and analyzing it it's like no it's fine it's it's all it's good it's great it's totally good the green screen effects in this movie made me cry they already did ghost rider they're gonna i don't think they're gonna count the ghost rider from the agents of shield or obviously nicholas cage is one i i figured that was a given um give it time they'll do them all again he's gonna mentor the new ghost rider and she's gonna be a very powerful very strong ghost rider very get her done yeah um so yeah because there's gonna be people who've not seen this film so i'm gonna do my best to keep them with us like that drake of stuff that all exists he's a russian man he's big powerful lots of money lots of influences even shake hands with presidents that's what we see in the opening he's he's met up with uh was it clinton he's with um maybe one or two more but the point is that he's he's a big old chungus and uh yeah his goals take over the world through mind controlling his black widows into being in positions of power and then they can make things happen it's not entirely clear now you know that he's he grabs girls from across the world and unfortunately natasha romanov is one of those girls when she's super young and um she's put through the red room presumably for x amount of time and then she's taken out along with the girl who's younger than her and to hire abagents and they're sent to ohio to be an undercover american family in order to do espionage basically okay all right this is the beginning and um if you know anything about natasha you might immediately be like oh i can hmm i can see maybe what they're doing here if you if you make her like this undercover agent thing but you also give her a secret family i could see how this might play into why she actually pines for a family um you know and and there's parts of this movie and i'm talking slivers where it's like ah i can okay yeah thumb up kind of shaky thumb up um and so you're like oh family life's pretty normal and happy and then the dad comes home and he's like oh we gotta go well that's what he should have been like he should have been holy fuck guys get your shit we're leaving because yeah i just blew up a facility i've got people chasing me and we got to get to fucking kuba but instead he's like because we have some dinner dinner was done i mean why waste it yeah i'm exhausted after blowing up that factory right it's like i think if i give up my wife a frown you know she'll she'll ask me and we'll discuss it for 15 minutes then then i'll tell her that we need to get the fuck out of the entire country well spotted by the way because that's supposed to be the inkling to us like oh something's not quite right he like looks at the the wife and she's like oh like she knows what's happening but it's confusing when you watch it in retrospect because you're like wait you don't need to hide anything from the kids they're literally undercover agents too like yeah the fuck out of here you could go and it's only until he's had his drink and he's chilled out that he started like the editing speeds up like oh now we're gonna go when he says like uh it'll be an hour and it's like wait what why did you burst the door hey kids family trip let's go i don't know how you would determine that you escape the facility you've blown it up and you know the police are on the way and it's like how long do we have an hour it's like how could you possibly know that yeah why would you think that it's an hour that's how good he is that's how good he is he knows that he has an hour weird um and yeah and he tells um he tells melina the wife that the place is on fire and then when he gets to um rick harvey tells him it's ashes now this is very important because i'm seeing a lot of criticism about something specific here and i'm pretty sure the criticism is still there but it's just a little bit different so there's a lot of claims that the tech they steal or the the information he steals is like biological research about things to do with your head and it gives you eventual access to complete mind control on people and that's how we explain the new sort of generation of black widows that's why they're basically like machines they just get told what to do and they do it but you can release them we'll get to that part however the obvious question comes up wait who do they steal that from you know shield controlled by hydra you're like whoa if hydra had complete mind control why was the winter soldier so flimpy why weren't they giving mind control to more people why wouldn't they mind control steve they they because their facility was probably like underground it wasn't flying in the sky well yeah i probably explained so this is the thing i think the writers are trying to tell us the alexi destroyed hydra's research and copied it over to a floppy disk and gave it to drake off meaning and i guess hydra can't do it again hydra can't do it again that's what they're telling us as hydra couldn't possibly replicate that and they ended up with shitty mind control instead being the brainwashing for winter soldier unreliable and um yeah that's that and so someone might be like isn't that a plot hole and it's like it's a incredible contrivance uh they've told us it's not a matter of hydra having this research it's that hydra somehow by the way who believes that alexi destroyed this facility like completely uh frank over there i think frank believes it but like fuck frank he's he's now he's fucking idiot um as a lot of people point out alexi in the opening is seemingly a lot more competent than any other point in the film um that's the only thing he does that's really competent at all yeah but it just becomes a joke and it's off screen well and it's incredible he does it off screen and it's the same that he did and that's it uh that's one thing that irritates me about uh all these people because they're all like secret russian asians or whatever and when they're speaking english they're like hey honey how's it going oh i had a rough day oh thanks hey sweetheart do you have dinner ready and then when they're uh going back to the russian it's like oh i am russian you know how you have the vocabulary because i have a russian accent and it's just like okay yeah it sounds more russian when you drop every other word but did you just forget english in three years or whatever um i don't know someone just mentioned in fairness they had the winter soldier controlled from as early as uh the 40s right um so the thing is we're supposed to believe that this was being developed in the night in 95 it wasn't completed yet like hydra hadn't completed the research it's drake of that completes it because again i'm going to try and be as fair to this film as i can be there's so much wrong with it but they want us to think that in 95 they got the floppy disk and then they eventually developed mind control from that because natasha wasn't given mind control it was only after she left that the black widows started getting mind control so we're supposed to believe that they synthesize the research into you know usable mind control as as late as maybe 2005 something like that a bit later i it's hard to know because we don't know the exact dates for and black widow left um so we're supposed to believe it all happened like that which isn't a whole it's just dramatic contrivance that hydra wouldn't have backed up all of their information on this incredible research that literally allows them to take over the entire world with ease like okay david hobb broken the fucking guy who literally calls himself the muscle of the operation he managed to sabotage everything and destroy all five i don't even know how he managed to have the clearance to do that because off screen don't think about it that's how good he is he just just it's off screen don't worry about it it's done boom walking me forward now that we've gotten that out of the way yeah it comes home completely well addressed it no sign of struggle or action or you know damage or injury just like magically did it all like if you just punch a big bomb or something if so that makes them a lot more evil than we originally you know anticipate i suppose it's a pity that um jim and scientist ai didn't have it all backed up you know there's a little bunker yeah yeah um but yeah that's the way it goes so they're escaping and they they get shot at they fly over to cuba from ohio in the no one follows them no one follows them always them we just nobody's curious about where they're going just cut to cuba and all it's all good it's like here's your floppy disk this is what the fuck is a little bit beyond contrived it's like they didn't have any air units to chase what they know to be someone who's stealing the information that allows them to take over the like hydro would have been like send everything get them oh yeah there's no way they would be like send a couple of cars and hope like no and what's funny is you're like that one is you like that one car that just drove directly towards the plane i don't know what the guy's plan was fuck i crash into a wheel oh he's gonna stop i'm sure please please stop please fly oh shit oh okay he's got no um and the funny thing is you might be like standard assumption of how equipped the police are to chase someone in 95 it's like no this is the mcu shield and hydro in 95 in the mcu captain marvel's already fucked you over the tech they had at that point is through the roof insane um yeah sorry they're not gonna let you escape not happening yeah yeah and it it really didn't seem like anything beyond just local authorities even like it i never got the idea that even shield was after them from when i watched it it seemed like yeah you can see the the logo on the cause this says shield oh well kind of pathetic security yes the shield is supposed to be way fucking better than that um took him an hour to find out that it was so lexy i this wouldn't mean you kind of just like we have to believe all of that happened because that's what they told us it's like i just don't know i i don't i don't see it yeah that's you're a liar i don't believe everyone well maybe i'm starting with every movie i start to believe it more and more but just the idea that everyone in this universe is an idiot until they need to be incredible and it's offscreen um because it's funny they have him do it all even though they tell us that melina is the four-time black widow who's the scientist who knows how all of this works and like super spy like why didn't you just have her do it cause um doesn't she become that after that all happens no she said that she was cycled through the black widow program four times before she met uh natasha oh oh yeah i don't yeah that's stupid then um i maybe elixir was just that good or maybe there was um maybe there is a reason maybe there's a reason why do you say that right um to fast forward a little bit because i was talking to free uh yesterday about this one so you guys know when she sees ross at the end of the film and then it cuts to her just being free somewhere else yeah that's that seems like a plot hole like how could she possibly have escaped when it's an army of men versus a you know tired exhausted techless black widow standing in a field well the director was asked about this she said it's it's not you don't you don't want to see another action scene of her escaping ross and his men so it's really up to the audience to sort of you know experience that and figure it out and then when pressed on it she was like how did she escape i i assume she um she would have made a deal i don't know isn't it great that she would have made a deal you know it's awesome that if you don't show something happening you don't have to explain it all what happened you just have something happen off screen you have no you have no responsibility to actually tell you the user or the uh viewer's what she happened i just know like i i assume that like ross arrested her then took her to the raft but then she broke out found steve rogers and then went back to the raft to free the rest you see that would have if she'd been captured by ross and taken to the raft and then cap freeze a lot of them that would be something but no the next scene fucks that up because yeah she she breaks everyone out of the raft with cap it's uh it is really hard to understand what the fuck's going on and you realize the less the writers and directors talk about their own movies these days the better because they honestly have no idea they don't even know they just oh they just yeah i i truly if they just fire and forget these days so here's my thing buy do it send me the money to my paper i don't i don't get it this is your life like yeah it doesn't matter well i guess it's just when i see something like some of these interviews that have happened for this movie and some of the things that i mean saying like baffle me i don't i don't get it i don't understand the process for them like oh well you know we can't do like normal taskmaster it didn't really like what would we have just what like taskmaster but that that doesn't make sense so yeah so so anyway we could have a drakoff's daughter that just made a lot more sense it's like that's not you're not saying anything you're talking but you're not saying anything well fringy you talk about the salt water crocodile often and how strong its bite is so crocodiles have been essentially in their current form for many many many many years they haven't really they haven't really changed much for a long time crocodiles are they're pretty ancient because they're just there's no reason for them to change they're just so good at what they do and it works so well for them there is absolutely they're just minuscule if any evolutionary pressure for them to adopt new mutations i got too many things to change over and over there's no no pressure whatsoever for them to change and in such as the mcu with all of these writers saltwater crocodile mcu is a saltwater mcu is a saltwater crocodile it is it's the apex predator of assassinating its own characters sure but also of just the cinema right now swallowing up there is absolutely yeah there is no re much like a saltwater crocodile devours gazelles unsuspecting zebras um as i say elsewhere the mcu has it just it won't it just swallows it all and there's no reason for it to change therefore it will not counterpoint for coming to my TED talk one crocodile evolved to become the god of mischief so you know they're they're going places alligator they'll gather they're basically the same come on you know upset all of the crocodologists in our chat the only reason i know the difference between the two is that jumanji where robin liam says like oh crocodile uh all gators don't have the fringe on the hind leg and i always remembered that line for some reason i feel like what should tell you that they're different is we should watch that we should watch the movie yeah we can do all of them they're all of them like i swear about it the black widow all of them i'm set to around i believe it um so yeah they get to cuba from ohio on their dinky little plane which is really hard to believe and all you had to do was move them when you look at them get all america you could have just moved them down to florida for this story and then had them go to cuba that would make way more sense but no yeah i don't think they can fly all the way to ohio that's a long flight and also like there's so much uh american land that it'd be going over yep and potential for them to shoot the plane down yes so did did david harvard just like did david harvard just like hang off the wing the entire i don't know what they want us to think about that because he i don't think he's on the wing when they arrive which means no he climbed in there i guess either that or they did land they did refuel and he got back in like that must be what they want us to infer it's just that was so i was so excited to see them land uh in cuba with him so on the wing it's like oh thank god there's a rifle in his hand as well yeah he was shooting birds if they got in the way of the plane yeah um they shot the mini bald eagles yeah so again anybody who's confused you got rachel weiss uh david harvard a mum and dad and then natasha and yelena the two daughters and we just we see this scene to know one that this family existed for three years as an undercover family and two that they sabotaged and stole research from hydra that's gonna lead into stuff later um and then we get smells like teen spirit covered by new band that makes me cringe it's terrible i don't know anybody who likes it how do the because because we have to have a woman singing it but it's i don't see how the lyrics match with the film in any way no uh i i i grew up on nirvana i'm from seattle area so a grunge was like my thing um the there's a reason why that that song is so uh is good when when uh what's his name sings it because the lyrics are very nonsensical but when in that cover they they say all the the words very very clearly so when he's talking about like my libido and all this other stuff is like what the hell does this have to do with black widow yeah to me it just feels like they snatched a song um yeah Kurt Cobain and it's like oh it's the 90s yeah let's do grunge everybody knows this song yeah yeah it's the 90s which is why we're gonna use a modern shitty recovery instead of the 90s version south was that because pheromones rags smells like teen spirit you can guarantee i'll be playing that with volume for chat when we get there because that is and the red room sky castle oh also uh kid natasha just steals a gun from a soldier on the scene yeah that that it's just retarded randy soldiers that's all i have to say about retarded stupid drama so we can have a moment even though it's really dumb it's just another instance of me leading to watch some small character take away something from an from a trained soldier without without any troubles just so sick of it well so the only thing to keep in mind is that she's had black widow training to some degree already but i still don't think that that's enough and yeah the guards would know that and they would know to keep their firearms secured yeah it's just yeah yeah but it doesn't help the film because it shows that she is aggressively invested in yelena um from when she was super young but she's not we know this because it's never been brought up or dealt with for all of the mcu it's a history it's just when you retcon this shit you start to damage the characters no you don't know you don't it's fine don't think about it you can't damage a character people love it that was a weird thing like are we supposed to believe that by that point and or like i'm guessing our tween years or whatever that she'd already gotten years of of aggressive training and somehow that would help david harvard and his his thing like wouldn't it wouldn't it be much simpler to just take one trained agent and implant him into like an american family like would it really be or maybe maybe just the parents well do you really have to have trained children too like you'd think they would be um liabilities at least yeah i'm degree um yeah like if she gets in a fight at school and breaks the freaking neck of some other kid is like oh that's that's suspicious why is the black widow why is the black widow kids why are they under the well why are they with these fake families instead of just constantly in training in the red room facility or something like that yeah it's weird right because it's kind of like the the whole black widow it's almost like the spot in two program except the spot in two program was well regimented and like totally controlled and you couldn't leave and you couldn't like get people's weapons and try to use them against people i think they want us to think that it was a good no no they don't want us to think they don't want us to think amali thinking is verbose i'm gonna give a couple of hands out to this film because i have so much to criticize it for so here and there i'll be like i'll try and help it up the little stairs as it's trying to climb and then it'll just fall down like an old person you want to put on the film's helmet i told you to put it on you need to believe me you need it like it's the um it's the uh what is it it's like 2.5 family right like the the the mum dad two kids uh so that they just i guess they thought wouldn't it be great if all of them would drink of people that makes sense and you're just sitting there like does that make sense i don't think that does make sense and the way that they talk in front of the kids in that opening scene so that the audience can pick up oh something's going on here while the kids are like what but that doesn't even make sense because again they're all in on it yeah so it doesn't work when it would have worked had those kids actually been um you know maybe americans or whatever maybe the wife was and like you said the husband's the only one who's undercover you could have had the storyline like that they were a genuine family and then he is gonna leave and the wife commits to going with him or something the kids are taken along and then they get stuck in this horrible life in russia as a result and it's a huge mistake and the the mum and dad like have huge regrets or something like that because it's kind of bizarre because it is three years and they're undercover and um it's it's a huge sticking point for natash in this whole movie that that three years and for like yelena it was like the most meaningful time of their whole lives and it meant everything yeah i'm gonna sound i'm gonna sound heartless but uh i had a step i had a stepfather for 10 years and i don't give a shit about them so like three years of undercover like foster family like uh i don't see especially somebody in their 30s i've seen so many late 30s now uh natasha seeing had gone through so many things i don't think that would be a huge emotional thing for her because that family was fake it was like basically a foster family for three years like i know some people can you know gain meaningful connections in a short amount of time but it kept a marvel new nick fury for like two days yeah um the one thing they have is that of course especially from yelena's pov that's the only time in her life where she got to live a life the rest of it is black widow flumes so i suppose it would stick quite a bit um the only thing about it is that like david hobbit describes it as just painful and boring like the whole time and so that tells me like what was he like as a dad then like was that was that a loving thing or was he just like hey we got a job mission said i had to be a good father so i just was a good father yeah like think about um where yelena gets a knife instead of a gun oh well don't worry about that don't worry about uh i'll keep i'll keep rewinding it again there's there's so much to say so uh they describe taking christmas and like like halloween or whatever thanksgiving photos all in one day and that along with everything else just makes me think about like how oh man what a what kind of family like living experiences that for those kids like everything is all faulty and not real and it must fuck with them um but they see it as like the best time of their lives it's like okay um yeah and i think that film would have benefited from uh committing a little bit show us uh more time with this family and why they actually loved each other and don't have david harbour remember it as painful and boring that was a mistake yeah that's weird um you would think i thought that's the art of the thing they were going for but i don't even the more you think about what they wanted with his character the more you're like he wasn't really one oh yeah we we're gonna have so much to get through all that yeah um like i thought i thought for a second they're going for the whole thing like oh man i love my family so much let's escape this life let's go somewhere safe so i can actually because i've become attached to my family i thought that's the kind of way they're going for but i was gonna die in the opening yeah yeah like they escape the cuba and then it's like oh by the way i posted in chat um uh ohio cuba flight is three hours so just keep in mind that the mother was bleeding out for three hours so they would have wrapped it up you know they gave it a little slew and they put a thing around it three hours it was wait is that three hours in a commercial jet uh it doesn't say it's a flight because it's probably like in a normal passenger jet not some dinky sesna oh yeah commercial commercial airliner 500 miles per hour so they were in a dinky little peril 500 miles per hour so like that would have been probably quite possibly a lot more half the time or a double the time yeah yeah um um someone was mentioning is when they're leaving the house the family that malina is like i don't want to go and that's all the pushback she gives and then we know that she goes on for decades to craft mind control and have it applied to a bunch of innocent women and girls and she never checks in on the two daughters she apparently loved oh that's such a such a character ruining moment there we're and i'm skipping forward but when malina finds out that oh my god one of her quote unquote you know daughters uh was under the program she she created it's like i didn't know and i'm like she's dude you oversaw the program you saw oversaw the program you would have absolutely known every single name that was under your program you developed the program also that doesn't even absolve you of anything she's lying no it's not even a matter of a contrivance like i just believe she's lying i believe in narrative that she is lying yeah she's um she's possibly one of the worst characters in terms of like most disgusting people in this film outside of drake off i guess the question is do you think that the film recognizes that she was lying um i think it's up for interpretation world because uh there's a lot of references i would have for proving that she's much more dubious than we realize and there's enough in terms of like the the way that everything is shot and done that um if we had a sequel she could turn out to be evil she could be the villain in the next film but i think they don't want that i think they want her to be a good guy that's fine i'm saying that the film could support either one oh yeah but yeah by far action she's like horrific like honestly like not just that just notice her like facial expressions and then all the decisions she'd uh made after knowing all these different things she sold them out immediately only to them be like oh yeah we can totally make a plan out of this dot dot dot yeah yeah change your mind again it was the natasha's little speech yeah natasha told her that the reason she held on to her humanity was what malina told her when she was a kid which was something like pain only makes you stronger or something and they watched conan conan or something or something and then she was like inspired i guess well we can get to that um we see that that montage is of course just being like they grab girls who are falling through the cracks of society throughout all the world kidnap them slash pay for them we'll get to that too and then uh they they've grown up in the black widow training program and that kind of takes us to obviously what we know of history is the black widow was on a mission of some kind and well she's done many missions she became world famous for uh she's like one of the most terrifying assassins ever and hawkeye was dispatched to kill her and there's a story that we will never see of him deciding to spare her yeah after they they met up and um apparently he had the chance to kill her that is like a payoff you can already picture being really interesting but we'll never get it we assumed that that would be what black widow was about yeah i mean i did because that was the thing that was alluded to and it involves another character that you know that that we kind of like and that's just not it's just not gonna happen yeah germy renner was key to her her past right and he's still in her contract he's getting a show right isn't a hawkeye still happening but it's not about black you know anymore clearly like that's that's over hawkeye's gonna do his own thing but there's so much there like if you watch that scene from the avengers uh loki the all the things that loki finds out about black widow is because he mind controls uh well hawkeye and he tells him about jacob's daughter they mentioned that in the avengers he says like what about jacob's daughter and something something about a fire and always that the horrible things that black widow did but like that would be an interesting thing to tap into well well as we learn what they pulled from that scene there's no jacob's daughter's taskmaster that's cool all right moving on guys didn't care about him right i'm her right nobody heard about taskmaster is fine wait how to undermine such an interesting concept for a character in one movie like it wasn't a formidable villain uh what she was basically just uh well i don't know if we want to talk about taskmaster yet because yeah we'll wait on that um right so uh yeah so that would have happened in history with hawkeye they would then work together to do uh well like we can say this now take our take out drakov and then she goes to shield works with them for a little while ends up being set to infiltrate iron man and his situation and then fast forward what's that two years and then we're in the avengers and that and you know the rest of that story and then we fast forward to civil war and we see a scene where ross is like i got you now natasha romanov your best give up gonna get you and she's like this is really embarrassing you're making yourself look so stupid try to chase me and he's like oh well i've caught hawkeye ant man whatever else and she's like oh yeah well i used to have a lot of lives before i bet you and it's just like okay chill out a touch it's to me it was really out of character already this is like why would you be gloating on a fucking phone when you're like the best espionage assassin person ever you wouldn't even entertain that good she is she can just just quote about how good she is she she knows she's good like ross she wouldn't do it in fairness ross is doing his fucking job like this isn't some villain who's trying to hunt you down this is like yeah we're trying to hold you accountable for the misdeeds that you've committed to um as we said you assaulted to char uh to charla it's like yeah kind of yeah she facilitated the escape of wanted men um sorry this is just how it works and so if she left behind a recording i could i could maybe see it like she's goading them into this position further and further when she was never there to begin with but she's literally on a phone connected to the place that they're finding and she eventually tosses that off the ship and i'm like why would you risk any of that why bother that's confused as well oh i'm actually norway already i think it was it's like you idiot leave the fucking transponder in whatever the place you were and get on with your life they will fall for it and then they will realize you were never there and they'll be like damn she owned us but instead she has to get that call and be like you're embarrassing yourself yeah we thought this movie would have low stakes it really had oslo stakes oh shit so oh my god we we're like oh boy she's 10 steps ahead of all rosa rooney and she's off to just hide out basically and um so you know we'll take a pause on her story we'll cut to black widows hunting an ex black widow in the middle of morocco it's just like what in the world why are we here um this fucking scene man when i first saw it oh this is so there are some movies where everyone has to be an idiot in order for the plot to happen even if the idiots in question are renowned trained from childhood brainwashed mega assassins they're like the nuns from the hitman trailer but they're really dumb um i'm gonna play this for for uh not not audio but if you guys get the stream of you'll know what i'm talking about you want to see this clip look at the editing on this one one is it's such a like when i first saw this i was like what the fuck just happened yeah this is i had a sneaking feeling up to this point what uh but it's really confirmed the door's gone there's no door anymore well open the door so let me uh i'm gonna get my i'm gonna get my drawing kit out so rags what they want you to think if she was walking here and she hit this door this car was coming down here she hit the door and moved to the right the the car hit her and then she ended up on the floor here it is logistical nightmare is the is the title for this i am the other door but who opened the door was that was that was um was it luck was oh she opened the door yelena ends up coming through the door and we're supposed to believe that she fucking planned this even though a second ago she was rushing to catch up with this girl so she got into that orange building waited behind that door and was like oh fuck yeah when she comes down this alleyway oh i'm gonna open this door on her and then she'll hit attack but why not just shoot her in the head there uh and we can have a plot there are more examples of this film having garbage editing this is just one of the funniest ones because again when i watched it i didn't even know what had happened she's just walking on the street and it's like hit by door hit by car you're like what yeah uh yeah this to be good this this part really cemented uh but no offense to everybody who made this movie but just the pathetic the patheticness of this movie like the the the director uh it's done nothing but like uh indie dramas featuring women so i think it's a really poor choice for an action-driven movie because like all the action in this movie just has a very like none of the none of the takes are tight all the editing is very clumsy like that initial fight between how they do like a second or two seconds at a time of fighting and then they had to reset it yeah and and you compare that to even just like even compare it to uh speaking of mando compare it to like a modestly competent director uh like iron man to uh to take any fight scene from this and compare it to black widow and iron man to night and day difference like iron man to she like jump up on people flip them use their body weight to like knock them down like you're like wow this woman has a like a lot of fighting skill even at the beginning of winter soldier when she's fighting the guys on the ship even then you're like okay well you know what i think the problem is i'm pretty sure i said this i think that might have been before the stream started like a scene like this what was probably written in the script was but like they fight and she stabs her and then she gets shot in the face with the juice and that was like what was written but it doesn't work and it can't um but like it's too late you've already said that's what's gonna happen so like it's like you've you've written the story believing that there are certain action beats that will get you to where you need to go but they don't and like them what do you do at that point when you show up on set and you you're like oh shit this like just doesn't work we can't have yelena get shot in the face with the juice well i will agree with you but they didn't even try like no you've got a yelena's running through this area we see her running like okay then we see our girl and she's heading down a street now you know as well as i do that if she's being chased she could go fucking anywhere we don't know she turns the corner and she's heading up this street and it's like how do yelena managed to know which how to get ahead of her and to which door to be able to ram into her and then get a hit by a car like how do you plan that i guess that's one of those things when you're on set do you sit there and think wait like how which why right so you're like the director is talking to the actress you're okay so you're in this building now and you're behind this door except he wouldn't say that to the actress because she wasn't the one behind the door somebody else opened the door then the actress came in later for one of the other shots i highly doubt the actress herself actually opened the door it's all just so disjointed it's not like you're taking like i would imagine if you were a director and it seemed like this it's like you're going on a journey with your actors and actresses and you're saying okay now you're here and doing this okay we did that so now you're here because like time works and so now you're doing this thing and now you're doing this thing and you see this progression of events and you're explaining to them they know the script and they know their poses this is a journey that we're going on piece by piece by piece and it's not so disjointed where you just don't have actresses around and you just have things happen that don't make sense and people teleport where they need to be there there's no sense of uh there's just no temporal integrity to any of this like i see how you'd get lost constantly if you're just being told what to do and where you are now and what's happening in the story now what's funny it's possible you might not even know like what even is the scene all we know is these two people it's like okay so drakoff has sent black widows to hunt down this black widow because she's defected and she has a set of vials in this briefcase that can basically undo mind control in a very simplistic way so drakoff and he says this by the end of the film he fucking hates this this antidote having been made and it's causing him problems so he sent these people to just get rid of this one now if you've sent your black widows to attack this woman you know number one priority do not get close to her uh she'll fuck everything up if you get close to it now what we've just seen is she was hit by the car who vials the right there on the ground quite close to uh yelena by the way um now can you see something wrong i'll be free he's already mentioned it but still can you see something wrong with this image what is that on her left leg oh well i was actually focusing so she's drawing the knife and you're like why would you do that why because now she's engaging in a knife fight and you're like that seems like a bad idea you think there's a is there a i faintly recall there's some saying about bringing knives to um gun fights i think they are uh and how that's not a thing you should do in fairness yelena only has two pistols so and a rifle on the on the on the on the roof somewhere it's good that you mentioned the rifle because if someone was to argue well they wouldn't want to make noise with the pistols it's easy it's a quicker and quieter kill to just get it with the knives like they've already shot the rifles they've already they're screaming in this fight so high there's already been a car hit and you're right yeah it's much more important to secure those vials even if it means someone sees you shoot someone it's like that'll be fine oh no in what country are they in morocco oh no a gun shot in a moroccan slum oh no um though like uh movie hollywood movies uh it's not realistic obviously but hollywood movies basically make silencers like practically like silent like a cough which isn't at all realistic because silencers barely make a huge difference in actual loudness but how many movies have the head rolls like and then the person's dead yeah hardly any louder in movies it's what fring was mentioning right so they will she she can she gets a costume and she's like i have guns and they're like you got to use the knife because you got to get close to it so we get rid of the guns on my face no i thought i was playing this really uh really skilled deadly assassin why would i engage in a knife fight rags judge this skin is it weird to have the bullets lined up there or is that like her whiteness or on the color no what i posted oh um yeah that seems bullets yeah i was asking if that's like it no i don't think those are bullets they look like they look like uh they look like cartridges well they wouldn't be cartridges um those were those are really big those look like 30 30s or something or 357 something big and also they'd fall out um if you have if you have bullets and you would have the the rim that would be on the top that keeps it from slipping out which i don't see here i have no idea what those are i assume they were bullets if you have the old west uh you see those old west guys you know the cowboys and they got the bandolier bullets yeah and you can uh you could just you could see how they're held in place um but i i have no yeah i i i don't think those are bullets i don't think i don't know how they stay in well and how would you use a better out she would have to pull them down through the underside well maybe push them from the bottom up and then pull them out oh that one i could see a rim on that one yeah it looks like they're just like a strap from the top that one looks like a rim because they look like bullets but i like they sort of look like bullets the tips on the bottom i can yeah i can see why you're a little confused what gun what gun do you have that shoots those bullets and why do you just have four randomly on your collar that was the part i was mainly interested in your commentary on like yeah of her entire outfit she's just got these four onto her like near her shoulder you just like okay yeah why like why would you do this yeah considering like a bandolier you have like shotgun shells which one shotgun shell can actually do quite a bit of damage but this was just like probably pistol rounds right unlike like like like what are you not using a magazine fed firearm yeah you think you just have a mag not like four bullets in just random four bullets just on her collar that she has to pick out one by one um yeah which would be really weird she's in a survival horror game where every bullet counts she's a reasonable character four bullets on the edge of a cliff so uh yelena managed she must have watched a bit of Game of Thrones and The Last Jedi because she does the pro move where you uh you have your arm caught up with the with the weapon you drop it and you get the other arm to grab it and you use that to stab fucking oh yeah ace move arm to grab your pistol to me it seems like um yeah i think she could have done that the whole time it to me it just seems like a cruise control for cool fight choreography because you just don't know what the fuck you're supposed to do anymore like everyone else is doing it it's a really easy thing to film and you do they do the slow-mo thing like whoa whoa oh you're like oh nice if anything that's just jose you're kind of how pathetic Yolanda is because this person just got hit by a freaking car like that you'd be really really in a lot of hurt a lot of pain your muscles wouldn't be working in full degree but she basically beats you Yolanda who just walked up and is perfectly healthy um which is interesting because Yelena is the top dog black widow at all she is the leader of the black widows at this point geez oh i have another reference for just show just how uh not only how weak Yolanda is but also like why women there's actually a scene in here that kind of show demonstrates that fact perfectly it's much later but there's a point where she knocks out one of the presumably male heavier male uh like uh drakov thugs and then she like picks tries to pick him up to grab his hand to put on the the palm scanner and she's like i don't remember that scene but it's uh i can actually timestamp it if you want but it's like really it shows you how weak she is but uh it's it's much later you know i mean she no if answers like there's not much muscle on florins pew like no no she's a beautiful woman she's a pretty good actress from i can tell but i have a hard time believing she could just like overpower and beat people up it's gonna be tough um so it has to be through like combat skill but this this wasn't so anyway she she stabs her in a gut twists the knife and then drags it across and in any other movie if you're gonna choose to do that that means guts are gonna start to spill it out um of course marble so well see i think that the choice you have to make then at that point is you don't show the wound you stay away from it with the cameras as much as possible um but in this film we they decide to like show it uh as a lot of people know it's like it looks sweaty um which is weird drop dribble a little water on there put a little red cloth under it under it oh and then she gets hit with the well wait i'm gonna try and get that sweaty shot just to show you guys because now i want you to only to understand why i said it okay it's important took longer to get there that i remembered quad yeah there you go okay so you you when you tear someone's gut open you don't really expect that to be the result but this is just like black panther where you cut the person's throat and they end up yeah yeah there's no wind whatsoever yeah there's a little bit of red you can see a little bit of red by the way when you when you rewind like a couple of seconds you can see like people in the background just looking at it and just walking by yeah they're like well there's no authorities in morocco as we all know yeah the driver was an asshole he just hit her and ran yeah and run was the thing i think they want us to think that the fucking driver was it on it or something it's it's all a big plan but it's like no it's just a random taxi driver what if he pulled on whatever he was a little slower the taxi was slower or the taxi turned or the or if he if he got out he was like what the fuck is going on you're an assassin use your firearm no that ruins the scene which we can finally get to yes well yeah what i was about to say was it's like man the the one widow who got shot with the juice was natash's sister yep which is incredibly important yeah incredibly convenient literally like if any other black widow was hit with the flume juice it's over the plot line doesn't function exactly yeah so well no maybe the maybe that black could it would be smart enough to be like oh i should mail one of these to tony stark oh yeah maybe you're right yeah maybe we would get a better result it would be fucking stupid um you know what i actually quite like this as a screen shot it's funny like oh my god um so yeah she she fires this shit into her face and it removes all mind control and she's immediately like oh my god i think she says rock stan is the name of the one on the floor and she's like i'm so sorry and that's smaller is that your uh is that your red gas we have fringies green goo we have my white snow is that your red gas it removes mind control i guess maybe mine does more things than that fills up my mask yeah that's what you breathe i'm literally you can see it in the background of my image i'm just in a room filled with this red gas you're like vader in his pod it's full of red gas just rage anganus and um yeah use it on people and it it brings them it red pills them that's how it works red gas yeah you break open the red pill oh yeah it's like uh yeah from like wonder woman you you break it open and the gas comes out and you breathe it in and yeah it's also good oh sorry it's just also a weird choice and it's like a thematic for the black widow color scheme but red usually means bad so thematically you think that the red gas would be the contaminant and like something like blue or green gas would be the cure right now obviously in reality would be probably colorless or whatever but uh if you wanted to kind of show that something good happened to her last thing you'd want to do is show like a bunch of red glowing stuff on her face uh green's like a fart um i mean i don't think i don't i actually don't think that's a point at all i don't know that that is what color it is like it's and also yeah i don't think it's bad at all i think i just imagine it's red because black widow stuff is red that's just like the dominant color for the for the color palette red and black it just looks it just looks cool but but like that scene when i close up when it shows a bunch like evil red looking stuff all over her face it kind of it gives you the wrong impression i think um obviously afterwards she's like fine but yeah just i might agree if there was a mind control gas that was blue and then the solution is red i'd be like that's a little weird but like i'd still only say that that's only weird because of convention at that point yeah it's just color association not a big not a big deal at all i'm gonna make a big point of it um so uh we're very this this will just open the criticisms of yelena yelena is the standout for a lot of people in this movie they're like she's great not only the character but the actress blah blah we're not gonna be including that so she's released right and when we find out she's been mind controlled since very young to the point where she says she's never made a choice in her life that's how she feels never actually made a choice um and so this is the first time in her life that she's released from that and within seconds she like mourns this woman that she's just killed packs up the vials tears a chip out of her leg and then escapes the black widow team that she's with wow not bad huh i would it be really cool and impressive that is what a what a hero would be really interesting to kind of see her almost uh emotion like like uh confidence wise and emotionally almost turn into a child for a bit like whoa i have no idea what what i'm doing now i have no mind control it'd be like it'd be like being on auto someone's helping her like uh like auto pilot for your entire life like that would be a huge shock what's interesting is the uh bucky is like well when so winter soldier is a bit of a um you'll you'll catch a lot of references a lot of things you can connect to winter soldier and winter soldier did bucky like fucking phenomenally better than this in terms of whenever he realizes he's starting to remember his past life like maybe sebastian stan but it's also the fact that the script allowed him to react to that just like you know i'm immediately thinking of um when he's punching cap over and over again he's like slowly realizing who he is and stuff um and they do it a bunch in civil war and it's just like it he manages to make you believe that he's a man trapped inside a brainwashing sort of system meanwhile this is like i was brainwashed for a while damn yeah okay anyway yeah i was like all right well that's done i have no issues with it i'm quirky like i was saying with uh moeller when i was watching it i'm getting elizabeth syndrome from the bio shock infinite elizabeth yeah she's totally she's too well adjusted and and like to for what given who she is i don't believe that this is her first day of like real freedom in her life no no she she should barely be a person like at all she should barely be anything like not a sense of humor not really perspectives on a lot of things almost like catatonic and she's yanks that out of her fucking thigh straight away like oh no problem you go girl that should be that should be gushing with blood by the way yeah it would have to be of a significant depth why the fuck wouldn't it be and then if you managed to just dig a knife in there and yank it out with your hand yeah that would be my next question to i guess yeah for some reason the blackwooders are aware of where their chips are which seems redundant when they're designed to help mine control them in the kitchen yeah that would have been done when she was under i'm sure so they've probably have been unconscious well do you call them chips and in in the uk what do you what do you call it because we call them chips what do you call them like my control for micro does she have like a are they fries or a biscuit crisps that's right that's the crisp out of micro crisps micro crisps um what i find funny about this though is that if they want to fight convention and be like no she's not worried about her whole life changing forever and having an exes or try and insist their existential crisis it's fine because she's so competent i'd be like okay so why does she spend the whole scene ignoring her team instead of reassuring her team because the team basically decided that she's compromised because she doesn't respond all she had to do is be like neutralize the target meet at the rendezvous you know someone like that and then run away yeah literally just run away but no she just stays silent while she's doing all these things you could talk and this is what i mean i think that's a problem make up your mind does she is she super aware of what's happening and like dealing with this situation competently or is she like totally flustered and doesn't know what to do yeah picked one yeah she was competent she she she could have taken the tracker um you know gone over the radio was like yeah you know someone's so secured on my way to run to viewpoint toss the tracker and then i'm even made it made a decoy you know a box or whatever even put a bomb in there she has access to bombs look at her apartment uh and that would have been a much better get away she's competent yeah did she use the same knife to stab her leg that she'd stabbed here with elaine it doesn't have a the screenshot just showed you by the way that is after she has dug that into a gut and ripped it out like man didn't seem to get you the marvel blood on it which means that she's evil right oh yeah that's how it works oh by the way in the same shot we took that screenshot you can see the little little box where they put the the vials in those those vials are not properly secured at all no those four random bullets like they get they eat it around like crazy and they just don't break at all like they're really lucky that he's just don't break with every encounter there um i guess you have the excuse that uh they're they're not completely they're a little steady and that this was all done in a rush so that's why they like that right now well not only here i mean like over the course of the movie where we see this box the fucking box gets like fucked uh we lose the well we lose the box on the bridge scene that's the end yeah box but you're right it does get fucked what a bit yeah and the vials general later on they just put they just put it in in a in a box in a box in a pocket and they fight and walk around and fall on it and nothing happens it'd be so funny if when she dug that micro chip uh micro crisp out uh she like actually did hit the artery and so she's running away and after just a minute she goes and falls over yeah if you stab yourself on the thigh there are your biggest blood vessels are in your thigh yeah you can that's how police people don't shoot uh people in the legs because you can actually totally kill them fairly quickly in in search and rescue and in voice counts and stuff if we were told if if someone has broken their leg like around their femur around their thigh avoid moving them because if one of those splinters it could it could hit one of those major blood vessels arteries in your thigh and you could have a lot of internal bleeding so that was one of things I wanted to know that those bullets are standard issue for the outfit oh they've got well they are standard issue bullets they're clearly just not for any gun that they have they're assassins it's like an MMO costume thing yeah i mean i'm gun i mean just put a put some bullets on it because you know bullets well as far as i'm considered this costume design is fucking weak like they were like i don't know you shouldn't have costumes you're assassins you should be in plain clothes yeah who are you at ceo where you walk around in these ridiculous getups even then though like design a cool outfit that an assassin would find useful it's like throw some bullets on there they like bullets like what bullets yeah should just have a backpack just a normal looking backpack full of all kinds of useful things stupid fucking vest she buys that's like a running gag is more useful than this no because it has a lot of pockets even just like a nine millimeter magazine almost a clip oh geez magazine on her on her collar would have been 10 times as useful as those bullets like i i was trying to see if they were in my collar it's a dumb place in any way yeah i would understand if it was like a flare thing specifically for yolanda like maybe she grabs the bullets from like scenes of murder of assassinations and puts it there but those i think are unspent cartridges they don't look like they were the actual bullets they look like yeah they look like 30 30s or 44 longs or 357s just just just helping you out here okay keep calling yolanda and i'm offended yolanda name is yelena yelena yelena yelena yelena yelanda yelanda yeah i'm going for yelanda too it's fun yolanda yolanda no that sounds way too epic for her yolanda that's her beast master name yeah i shared a i shared a video that came up on my feed from like yelena being being an icon yay they're already starting with that that's like wean stuff are they this character she's certainly my favorite character uh by the way we're we see i guess that's where you're going next of the task master uh well her pulling out the chip is is forcing drakov to decide that because she's the king of the black widows this the mission is compromised and we have to send the black widows to the queen the way i interpret i i got this scene is like oh it's just looking at hawkeye just just gathering information because i had no idea task master can like look at footage and just learn the fighting you can see you can see uh huh so it's like oh it's just it's just a scene but taskmaster is looking at hawkeye i don't think they mentioned that's a thing right no they well she says uh he can mimic they even say he like uh because they they're convinced task managers matter that is a he as well uh oh they said it then i missed this okay it's in the when they're hiding in the train station she mentioned uh okay i think he says he can mimic and stuff like that um so yeah task master is dispatched to take out yelena that is our development on that end um now going back to good old black widow after she talked to ross she's just chilling out in norway she's doing a little like my life is pretty sweet and they remind us through the radio that um there is a worldwide hunt on for the avengers steve rogers and natasha romanov because they breached the sycovina cords and uh she assaulted the king of wakanda have we said that this takes place during the events of civil war no they don't say that i don't think we've mentioned that yeah okay so for anybody who doesn't know right after bucky and cap they're all finished up with uh well no it's so it's the raft when everyone's captured in the raft uh they're also looking for natasha in civil war this is before iron man goes and fights cap so that's when this movie takes place is like literally as we're doing all of this cap and iron man might be fighting right now yeah really fucking weird to think about it is really weird so is this this character that gets shit for her is he introduced in here or was he a character before he is new to this movie which all righty because i wasn't sure anymore there is um there is some reason to think that there be contacts that natasha would have that we haven't seen before that are useful for blah blah blah but he is such a vending machine it's so fucking lame like he has no character because i felt like how they introduced him i was supposed to know who that is it was just my feeling i was like wait should i know this guy do i know who this is because i didn't so i didn't know if that wasn't me or if the movie just didn't do it properly i don't know i just felt like i shouldn't know who this is because he's just lying what he produced for her calling him a weapons dealer is like well he's he's an everything dealer he just he gives her brand new covers that apparently makes her immune to cameras and eyes for some reason it gives her that's all good news the caravan safe house he points it to the budapest safe house and he gives her a helicopter and he gives her a quintjet it's fucking insane just what can do when you give me time and money that's okay that's what you can do that's that's crazy tech but where'd you get this from like i thought there were only how many of these where there's supposed to be he is the vehicle simp as uh i i feel like is his best describing him because he just doesn't seem to want anything in return and there's one time where he complains where ross is gonna fuck him up if they carry on and she's just like i'll make it up to you and he's like all right oh he's basically the the duke from as an evil eight actually he just like gives her her quest you know quest objectives anything she needs you know it's like oh i'm lost oh go here oh i need a ship or i need a you know the vehicle whatever here so it's just kind of a weird uh kind of it's almost like they thought they might have needed seen where she needs to like steal a vehicle or you know break into someplace and get some weapons or whatever and they just like replace it with some boring weapon stealer kind of slash i can get you anything you need kind of guy well this where i mean he's he only exists to fill up plot holes like is like how does she get any of this shit this like that guy oh it's all good yes he does a guy how does she have contacts if she's been like boomed in every way she's brainwashed and everything or we're not brainwashed but working for the i mean working for like the the black widow people is is that supposed is that going to get in the way if her does drakoff know about this contact or why would you say that this is natash she hasn't been with drakoff now for the decade maybe more all right that's why i don't know i don't know i was there was some overlap or worries come well there will be with shield specifically we'll get to that very soon so this contact is like hey um by the way given you box of your mail that was care of you sent to the budapest safehouse that another agent provided me that is insane i have a screenshot for that that i prepared while i was watching the movie because i was very confused because one i don't know how much time passed between yolanda and her getting the the yolanda getting the vials and shipping hit to budapest so i was like oh let me how far is that so budapest budapest i was like ha budapest so i just put on the google maps i was like that is that's a lot of ground to cover so it's probably 62 hours with car you can't drive over the the straight of a derailleur though can you i was just sorry okay yeah uh so it goes to budapest it's staying there for x amount of time i don't know and then goes up to norway somehow i guess just fed eggs dhl i don't know hds coming through and they already said taskmaster they already said taskmaster to get the fit the thing like what was it what the fuck are doing ps is the real taskmaster yeah some there's like a thousand problems with this you don't understand i think i think most people would be like that's fine it's like we got so many character and plot and world problems now as as with just finding out that she sent the vials to net so i guess we'll start with the budapest safehouse which is the same one that hawkeye found her in back in the budapest mission that safehouse is still active and used for agents despite the fact that shield would be fully aware of it how is it a safehouse explain to me exactly how that is a safehouse let's not have safehouses work the more people know about it the less safe it is it's just fucking maybe they mean like the house won't fall down well it's got holes in it wouldn't be so sure um danger house so if you uh you have that safehouse active which i think is bullshit but we're gonna have to say okay fine there is a new agent that is in that safehouse and she told the handler guy that i've received mail for natasha romanov could you please pass it on to her what the fuck yeah like get out of the safehouse right now the fact that somebody is sending mail to there to get to secret agents like what the hell this is very bad this is not good this is a compromise safe we need to figure out who knows who knows about this what's going on is the organization breached yeah everything's fucked um so that's really bad news and the fact that anybody can just send natasha stuff at will when she's currently wanted worldwide she's not bothered by that at all she's like oh hey mail neat you're like okay he's got mail um yeah i just don't think the writers know what the fuck a point the point of a safehouse is the fact that this guy he has all of his secret agency just lets them all fucking send mail to each other it's like okay i'd be fine with uh the idea that they could maybe pass messages along if they're actually aware of each other but even that's risky as fuck like that's just not how it runs you don't do you wouldn't want your agents communicating in that kind of way especially if they have nothing to do with each other like it's strictly a friend thing it's like i don't think that's a good idea um yeah but then of course that means that yelena sent the vials to the budapest safehouse in the hopes that the current agent there would then send it on to natasha through her handler yep what the fuck i don't know who's in that safehouse but she what an idiot what is he's what an what a buffoon i i don't even know where to begin with that one like first of all why would you send all the vials away what like you need them they're incredibly important you you are the person that needs them more than anyone however if then this is gonna come up a bit later if you wanted to send it to someone to study it and replicate it yeah i could see you sending off a vial you've got like 14 or whatever yeah it makes some sense send one to natasha tell her the the red put a message with it saying the red room is still active drakoff is still using mind control and it fucks many women in the world and this stuff this frees them but i need more to get more of them free can you get this to your avenger pals can you do something with it maybe you know but she sent every one of them to a safehouse in the hopes that the person who is there might send it to the person she kind of wanted to go to who she doesn't even know she can trust who doesn't know what it is it is insane it makes absolutely no sense it makes her look like an idiot who knows that the plot will work work in her favor against all odds and it shows that he's in it she's an idiot for not being oh tony here this is really really really really important and the stakes for this are really high potentially world saving i'm not gonna send i'm not gonna send one to tony starker i'm not gonna mail one to the white house or something so that the the government finds it or just anyone oh you don't get it individually needed to bring it there so that they could enact a fight scene on the bridge which is another thing we're gonna be getting to very soon fucking incredible what a decision by elena makes no sense for her character to do that and it's the worst way to do that very thing that she wants achieved makes no sense and incredibly dumb to cap it off uh natash is like what's in the box and he goes ah some stuff someone said for you to your safe house which by the way is such a fucking worry but he's like then she goes oh i would have told you to throw it out and he's like oh he's like can you man throw it out throw the whole movie with the fucking box the weird security box someone sent maybe it would have been better if we threw out the whole movie throw it away whatever fucking happened just throw away um so i mean we're only 20 minutes and we've barely got our premise and i was just like fucking hell this whole movie's already destroyed and by the way the third act is the worst of three acts so no matter how bad it gets in the first two just be prepared you know and this is stuff that i think a lot of viewers might just find a little boring they're like yeah i don't care about the mechanics of the spies sending messages around with each other what happens next um but like to me it just it sets everything up because the next question is how did task manager find the fucking vials why can't i just close you because i'm not responding can't we just end pass yeah in fairness i actually did mean to say task master i've said manager is a joke too many times i was coming up with names with fringy and i'm pretty sure he came up with manager and i've accidentally said it as manager now way too many times i didn't i didn't want to just chime in and be like hey i got you bro i wouldn't you can't let you can't let moller walk all over you like that fringy you gotta stand up for you gotta be a man gotta stand up for yourself you gotta protect your jokes it makes sense because like they send in the task manager when everything else to the sense in the line out of trying to kill mollipha still in the dark and then mollipha stood right well i'm gonna go and task genuinely i get them fucking mixed now because i've said it too many times or my brain automatically goes i've said task manager more times in my life than task master so yeah that is true anyway um how the fuck did he find the vials or she i really don't care go yes you know what i mean i think they are playing there's a there's a tracker in the box because he follows the box but not the the the the vials i think that is a generous leap that you know i know that that's that's how that's i just thought they were trying to say but i i don't know because then again how did it take it takes a long to get to those i get shipped across the world you know it's really fucking funny because i just pulled up the thing because to back you up because you are correct well i think you couldn't draw it from this but vials confirmation 100 percent how oh no like maybe it's confirmation that this is the box this is it i recognize that box anywhere i like that's 100% confirmation as opposed to like 80% what is it that would make it i don't know but if it says vials confirmation 100% what are the other 2% 4% it's on the for others what are those adding up to 100% well the uh those are what those are what we call um 30 20 i don't even know it's there's gotta be name for them when there are at least there should be whenever you have one of those screens and it just has random like sliders that go left and right and wheels that spin and just random numbers that don't mean anything just so that you could have a computer screen like trying to pretend as if there's a whole bunch of information that's being displayed but it's just random gibberish and numbers i'm mostly okay with it it's just that the actual information they give us like vials confirmation 100 that just is funny to me like yeah you know seeing 32.5281% as just a random percentage there that's that's almost fine with me compared to confirmed vials 100% like okay yeah it's like they have like a very basic uh storyboard for like okay look computer vision uh detects vials whatever and then they hand it over that over to some poor sap on after effects for 20 hours having to handle the crap and like oh what what are the things that sound official and cool uh vials confirmed 100% or whatever it's just like i don't think there's a whole lot of direct i doubt there's a ton of direction given to these people and the effects guys just have to come up with things that look that look cool and techy probably battery 62% for what well so yeah um for the box for the box okay on all your boxes have batteries so you don't charge all your boxes so i was gonna say okay just use the batteries we're like advanced like this as with all shitty writing um metal's gonna gonna have to you're gonna have to draw back your um your uh your rescuing that well unless you're saying it was hacking onto the box was your your theory yeah yeah but that would say vials so yeah this is gonna be why would it yeah maybe he's labeled the box as vial it's fucking weird um there's there is nothing to the thing is i think it's a fair question in a normal environment how did he find random mac random on this street but he's found someone who is actively trying to stay under the radar against everyone in the world right now it's like how did you find her he's that good there's a thing this is like in star trek when um the like the the character of the episode or the monster beats up wharf right because we have to establish that this monster means business if that monster if that creature if they can beat up wharf oh you know they're serious right it's just to establish how incredibly talented task master is even against all reason he can do something wow what a character he is a force to be reckoned with i think it's bullshit yeah i agree with you uh but yeah it would uh it would make no he can't hack onto the vials we know that much because it would destroy so many other parts of this movie if he could um but yeah we get the bridge scene which i think is the first scene people start to realize this movie is garbage uh i burst out laughing when that happens oh it's really funny um oh okay she's trying there's that there's that tiny little if you if you there's a tiny little sliver of what could have been something really cool for task master in that scene and and once your brain started to maybe recognize that it's gone and it's never coming back oh yeah that's it it's over um my file died so i'm just retan in a sec so i'll i'll show i'll show everyone in the chat the really funny bit and there's a couple of really funny bits in black widow's a movie they're just bits that you just uh they're aquaman moments i think is the way to put it yeah i think aquaman is versions yeah aquaman is a movie one of the things people noticed about it was the every once in a while they would just be real there's a lot of quiet and then suddenly just something crazy happens and there's like at least five instances of that and it's just like what the fuck um we have one in this movie and we're getting close i'm gonna i'm gonna play the clip for you folks in chat because it's amusing she's driving a nice normal drive she's gonna get some fuel i think and um everything's nice and normal nice and quiet but then suddenly oh my god what was that oh it's it was a laser beam it's well it's it's arrows right cannon biotech in there let's blow it up it's a hawkeye laser arrow yes loads that's what we're supposed to believe that this is a an arrow that's just oh my god just like guesstriker michael bae well black widow is clearly dead that's just wow wow that's well how does it work i mean the car is done like you're not flipping around like your car is going to explode but also if the car exploded black widow dead vial's gone that's just the end of the movie everything's over yeah it's over but yeah i thought you had to be alive for the next film but i guess not i guess this is where she dies also people don't give a shit about continuity anyway so the prize yes sorry he shot the arrow underneath the car why didn't you just shoot it directly at the car and it would have hit her on the like it would have that's that that's what that's a clipped over the sdm soldier isn't he concerned about good it's basically like winter soldier like the winter soldier reveal in in cap two it's like that exact scene just done poorly like where are they uh they just like shoots that he shoots the kind of magnetic mine under uh yeah which seems to be designed to go underneath the car like that is that weapon this one though this is an arrow that then we see him fire it later and it does the exact same thing and it's like well he doesn't have to do that right um you could shoot it through the window and like blow them up directly in the face yeah and so the question is with a gun does uh does taskmaster want to kill her or not and you ask your question you ask that question several times in this whole fight yeah this is very unclear the answer is supposed to be yes i know by the end of the film he wants to kill her so much and actually herself he wants he wants to kill her so bad that he saves her life by allowing her to grab on to him and deploy a parachute instead of just falling to her death yeah and is he not concerned about this massive exploding arrow destroying the vials and this is the question we have to run both scenarios if he was tasked with destroying the vials which is fair that could be the task i i don't think it is but if it were this can make some sense i don't know why you wouldn't keep firing explosive arrows to just fuck the car up yeah just keep shooting them all alternatively yeah like if you're destroying them and if you don't want to destroy them just shoot the arrow through Natasha's neck and then it's like cool you win like she didn't say that coming um and then you have if he didn't want to why the fuck did he open with this yeah you crazy like this is the worst all you have to do is grab she's running off to get some fuel for her safe house the actual smart thing be to keep an eye on it get to that safe house go inside it wait for it to walk in yeah just fuck her up that way like any normal assassin would but this that wouldn't be bombastic you probably don't even have to kill her at all you can just wait until she's back home in a trailer and then just break into the car yeah she has no significance on those vials she has no idea what they even are it's like oh someone rode to my car oh those things that want to throw out are gone all right cool yeah so this is this is a flaw that you see because taskmaster is meant to be really competent oh no and uh in a couple seconds i think you've got a pause right or you had a pause right before like um taskmaster very very very very very slowly walks towards well like really slowly and then she gets out of the car and then she's like oh where where where is he and then he's like uh she like turns waits for waits for her to turn around then he does like a jump surprise attack and jumps in front of her i just it's going to go frame by frame of how dead she is from this uh explosion they like to pretend at the bottom of a car i guess is like just thick lead and it only acts as a launching platform but like look at the flames and the coverage and the force of the explosion it's just really funny it's like look at that but she's fine don't worry about it yeah um the fucking weird i'm sure you know they well they wouldn't do that again this is your one this is your one we're like yeah i feel like you should die but uh they probably won't do it again it would have been so awkward if she got blown over the bridge into the water and taskmaster's just like oh look what happened explosion is look at it big boy the big boy yeah um this yeah this isn't as bad as like well it's pretty close to being as bad as it was like one foot away no less than a foot away like 10 centimeters away from an explosion and it's totally fine it's just a funny screenshot um so uh the the thing that another knocked a good old gnats intelligence right so she's attacked by an explosive well for all she knows it was just a missile a fucking attack to a car then she sees this fucking skull mask biker dude walking out of the truck slowly toward her and her first thought is does ross have jurisdiction here i think from past that they blew up your car lady like we're passing this is what i mean about when a drinker said it in his newest video and i totally fucking agree your characters are only ever going to be as smart as the writer and so natasha is unfortunately brain dead in this fucking movie she never would have assumed that this is sent by ross and even if it were what are you in jurisdiction he's fucking firing missiles at you that explosion you knock it off there mr you shouldn't have done that pretty sure this isn't legal just sorry my bad yeah it was like this it's like those horror movies where they always call it the name is like ross ross is that you oh ross quit playing games ross sent in his task master who blows people up is like no no no no ross stop it the whole fucking point of their service the people are trying to prevent you guys from creating crazy collateral damage why would they fire missiles at every like what do you why would you think this natasha it was like yeah well whatever just like so stuck in her mind also he's wearing a skull for a helmet oh man i think he might be bad boy that seems like somebody that ross would send off to you yes now remember you have to take your skull helmet so they know we mean business she's so convinced it's ross is like ross why are you wearing a suit why are you laughing ross was with the outfit but like if task master was competent and like he committed to blowing up the car in this crazy way the next thing is to just unload like 10 million bullets into the car yeah it's yeah yeah you know what that's a great idea he should probably shoot her yeah just shoot her with a gun like a gun yeah yeah that would be no they have to fistfight well they have to fight you see this is the problem task master doesn't have any projectile weapons except his explosive arrow bow only one i would have brought that with me so yeah weird that he wouldn't just have a pistol you'd think you'd have a pistol you'd think you'd have an assault yeah once again i'm gonna throw a compliment to win to soldier from memory good old bucky has is it three pistols the scorpion on his back the assault rifle with grenade launcher attached typically and yeah so he's just kitted out he has several knives too yeah he has like a he should be kitted out that grenade launcher is really effective too yeah it's also at the end at the end he has a dock octanical blade that comes out of his forearm i think you're right but he also has the sword that he doesn't use as well that is true he just he could have used the sword throughout this whole fucking scene he just doesn't because he's like i don't need it until i need it um so anyway natash is like i'm gonna kill you with my gun and then task manager's like a gun puts up his shield and it's like oh that's like captain america yeah it's like captain america shielding yourself from bullets that's uh that's what i like the little um yeah she's i like the little task master doing a peek once uh yeah she stops firing are you done shooting stop it um and so that this happens he's like fuck you black widow i'm gonna throw the shield at you man projectile weapon you know just saying like it's stuck in the car it's like that's unfortunate so some dinky uh european european car is throw it like he's gonna throw this at you first off how fucking strong are you that you could throw a piece of metal into a car like this so hard that it gets embedded into the metal shell of the car the thing that we can mimic strengths do yeah i guess she can because like holy crap oh i can't have this possible i'm a little bit scared right like how strong are you well the thing is uh that car mostly made out of chairs because it stops the shield so do you remember i mentioned my pc's not doing so well lately yeah um it is very hot and it just started making noises that are spooking me uh oh god you open up the side panel and put a fan in front of it or but that's not good uh it was it was making the sound of a fan inside the pc hitting a piece of paper with every blade as it went past until it slowed down to not making the sound at all which only worries me um well check closing any extra windows like a chrome and stuff i heard you making fun of task manager oh boy pc you are you're a hot boy right now i do you need to get rid do you have anything else running in the background that you can uh close out anything like that yeah you know if you guys keep talking i'm just gonna start killing programs sure so well program aside is happening over there uh advocate what's going on you need to calm the fuck down you're talking too much ironically yeah i'll mute myself okay you're oh what's your what's your icon there your daredevil icon that's that spooky yeah it is spooky i literally just looked up daredevil on google i guess and i thought this looked pretty neat it's like the cover of a comic uh i named kyle hotz i think with the z kyle hotz the artist who drew it or the person yeah i think uh no i'm pretty sure it's the artist yeah it definitely is yeah it's neat yeah so i thought it looked pretty cool yeah it's like louis yeah there it is this one it was the is this what's the story of that comic that evokes such uh imagery oh these uh these are oh i don't read comics oh okay that's fair enough being either yeah these are covers for the uh man without fear which is like one of the i really like that i like david harbour that's a good run it's like the origin story good to know that's cool yeah i probably have to pick it up my father well i am i'm i was so far i think in the film's really good and tosh is definitely not an idiot the plot makes a lot of sense task master is we're about to get we're about it's it's a shame that the the tiny little cool thing that task master sort of does the one and one and only tiny little cool thing is like book ended by him being an idiot in a total imbecile on either side yeah like you know all the all the computer ui stuff you could have totally kind of had visuals like switching to you know a hawkeye mode or something like that that would have been really engaging and interesting just seeing their fight style change and just like completely switch up the stuff and like people like what the hell like you know like just just when they finally finally get a a bead on like what what these people are doing and how they act and how they can counter that they just completely switch entire personality fighting style you know uh mobility and everything like that would be a really interesting villain you know it'd be a difficult one to overcome but we get nothing pretty much well i'm i'm wondering if they're going to try and bring task master as i guess it just seems bizarre to for this movie and in this role where he's not even the big bad he's just subservient to another bad guy and there's no character and i don't have task master is quote-unquote supposed to have a character and dialogue and like desires and once and like motivations but i imagine if there's a lot of task master fans out there because when fringy was explaining to me the concept of the character's powers i was thinking man this is really cool you could do all kinds of stuff with this guy like you'd want him to be a recurring villain so that you could take advantage of all of the different things that he might potentially be able to do with his copycat and mimic abilities and they waste him for this movie that stinks it's a total waste it's it's you could have had this guy show up in several films um he could have been like in an avengers movie maybe not as the main antagonist but a secondary and just like we we because his unique ability of copying and mimicking people's you know fighting styles we barely see that in this movie what do we see he puts the shield up to block some bullets and then throws it like that's it for captain america and then he pulls out black panther claws we don't really do anything with them yeah they don't do anything yeah yeah it's just like a reminder of what his powers are without showing what him actually using his powers it's like what bell even we're not even really like doing anything here this is this is not a utilization of his abilities at all like this is it's just it's really shallow and they didn't go as far with it as they could have and it's a shame because we're never going to get the proper one now like there's no way that's that's it like task master for the mc maybe in like 20 years or something but not not anytime in the foreseeable future that sucks for all the things that they rip from uh you know captain america especially winter soldier they didn't do the one thing that would have been interesting is leave the door open for potential conflict continuation of the character like i they might as well just not bring task master back at all because like the complete character any sort of interest in conflict has just been completely eliminated uh but with winter soldier even after you know despite its flaws even after everything you're he's like confused about himself he saves cap but then like leaves and and kind of goes on his own and you're not really sure if he's going to continue doing good or bad or what he's just he kind of leave that door open and that would have been an interesting way to take that character i think it's like we'll task master return well he's not whatever but yeah yeah i don't i just i don't know slime fucking lime there's a lot of stuff in this movie that's lime you wonder how they got to him why pick task master when they were brainstorming ideas for this movie were they like how does the idea get brought up and approve that we'll we'll just pull this one guy this particular guy from the comics because we just because we couldn't just have a bad guy because the task master character could have just been a really skilled really something do do they need to have the reveal that it's drakov's daughter still alive which doesn't really how much impact on the story does it have that it's her who's still alive well it means like what it didn't kill yeah yeah oh yeah well that sure is solved very quickly because she's like i'm sorry and then that's it and there's no real like hey fuck you for kind of causing this but she's still committed to killing the person even if the person happened to survive that's that's why it's frustrating to me is that i would have preferred that if she didn't forgive her you know it's just like nah you caused yeah you made a decision you're gonna have to live with the consequences you can't just you can't just have the character come back as a brain brain controlled like secret agent and be like okay it's fine i didn't die i didn't actually die yeah it honestly kind of undermines the the conflict there we haven't known for that part yet but i have a lot of things to say about the whole drakov's daughter thing and i really felt like this movie was just like almost like a checkerboard of like bits and ideas plucked from other movies there's actually a very very very similar scene i i swear it was just kind of ripped from that movie actually of the whole drakov's daughter concept from the i think 2005 Munich you ever see that steven spielberg no no but uh yeah i want to get closer to that that scene where the whole drakov's daughter thing i'll i'll get into it more but it's interesting parallel and on how you could do that scene so they don't want to commit they can't commit to any of these like new characters especially lady characters frank here make out having like flaws doing bad things having to face that you know that they're always proven right or they were right all along or they're they're just when they do horrible things as we'll see in the the prison avalanche we're just not gonna acknowledge it so it doesn't exist um or they turn out that they were good all along it's it's like that that recurring thing like remember in cruel oh it's like it wasn't my fault i didn't kill my mom or whatever it's like you have to you have to remove any potential conflict or morality or struggle from these characters and it just makes them incredibly boring and not at all well written or interesting like the best characters usually have something they regret or something they're they're trying to redeem themselves over some sort of inner conflict but they have to like one by one remove any guilt that's like yeah we'll get to that stuff later but they completely remove any guilt that natasha has about drakov's daughter by the end pretty much um i have i've knocked out a significant like my piece is barely running anything now except for i'm not even um i'm only streaming not recording on locally and uh my cpu temperature is not reassuring his bouncing between 88 and 100 that's really really warm which is i mean it's it's not generally a problem for a cpu but in the long run you probably want to check that out you should be fine have you disabled uh can want to go into windows updates and and put it to sleep for like 30 days whatever sometimes i notice when my computer acts up it's because windows is secretly updating you can try that yeah background updates can really bottle neck here really really drag you down i've already all the update stuff sex i fucking hate windows updates yeah okay just thought i'd check that just in case that's right i mean i'm pretty sure you'll be fine for tonight but you might want to check that out yep probably gonna have to either look into getting these because the fans i think are broken inside them that might be the the second one that i've heard chug a log that just died this has never happened on my pcs before yeah well if your cpu could die that's a problem well that's why i'm just staring at the temperature because if it exceeds like i don't know 110 i'm gonna have to stop streaming and fucking turn this thing on before i lose everything yeah absolutely yeah have you opened up the like the side panel do you have a fan that you could blow on to it um i don't know if that's if is that a fantastic idea with how it'll screw with a cycle of how the dust is moved around inside a pc no it's fine for just a for just a stream it's a okay yeah it helped yeah that's one of the advantages of open pcs is yeah they could have dust issues but they also can keep a lot cooler because there's it's so open and air can move through so easily yeah but yeah for just like a stream you're you're a okay that won't that won't be dust won't be an issue at all dust is really only like a long-term issue if the dust doesn't accept your fans but if your fans aren't spreading anyway then well now it's balanced between 83 and 95 so if it keeps lowering overall we should be all right yeah yeah okay let us we will try and get if suddenly everything falls apart you'll know this has been foreshadowed the streams have been struggling here and they were random ones like my pc has told me it's in trouble and i'm like you have to wait just a little bit longer there you have to get your new computer i just ten thousand dollars for a new computer i feel like what's happened here is the computer is gargling on it so i'm blood-osking for help and more like no i'm total black widow hang in there you need to work it's really life imitates art task my Andrew has found you in real life too yeah no um we shall we shall soldier on for now um i'll get the the moment up so the uh the rags we're talking about where they we see the the one i think meaningful mimic in the entire movie because having black panther claws having caps shield having the hawkeyes bow that doesn't really mean much to me it's like okay because in a normal movie if if this was a well-written movie we would say oh if he didn't have the shield he'd be dead but how it really works is if he didn't have the shield black would have just wouldn't have shot at him yeah um it almost feels like it's for the audience but this one didn't quite feel like the audience she grabs him and she does her signature climb all over you get her legs around your neck and flip you but during it he counters and flips it and does the exact same move to her that's cool that is cool yeah he's like oh i wasn't expecting that more than once and uh she's like wait what and um you got evaluating defensive measures prediction and so prediction 98.16 percent threat 86.53 percent okay that's a big threat i guess i don't i don't know if the threat means likelihood of killing him or likelihood of attacking him i don't know what it means um yeah i don't know either but that's a big number i mean i guess because the the the colors on her are red too and threat is red i guess she's a 86 percent threat which i don't believe but no of course but threat of killing or attacking yeah yeah because if it's threat of attack that should be a hundred percent she's just attacked you yeah i don't know well how this computer manages to figure this shit out um anyway what's then cool is she does one of this oh geek squad over here is like oh i don't know how the threat computer analysis works well clearly i have an issue with computers right now okay i'm allowed to be thematically on on on point but uh they do uh at the same time i i'm a really cool superhero get-up move yes this is um and they do this thing see this to me feels like the beginning it's like we've just found out this person is mimicking that is fucking surprising that's it almost like he it's it's almost like a cyborg in a way or it's this weird robotic kind of like just an alien behavior because you don't know why it's doing this it's like it's it's learning her or it's it's i don't know it it's a it's nifty when you look at it but it's hard for me to justify why they're just staring at each other and there's a pose i got nothing for that um um i just i like the and the thing is it would have been i guess he's watched videos of her and that's why he did this move but it would have been cooler to have had her do the move on him and then he learns it from that uh instead of yeah like the board will uh the borg assimilate and they adapt to things hey to start your currency but you could you could have that where we if we do this we can only use it one time or a couple times and then he'll learn it and he'll understand it and then he'll be able to use it against us what it's like it's like echo the game y'all should play it by ultra ultra where you're like uh oh it's like i know that my like if i pick up my gun and i use my gun against the enemies well the next cycle that happens the enemies they're going to start using guns against me because they've learned it so i've got a well i really don't want to bust that out unless i really need it that kind of deal you don't get any of that in this movie he's so wasted yeah that'd be an interesting thing if you could have more of the interface kind of tell what's going on like this reminds me a lot of actually like how he won in t2 worked like where you'd see the terminator moving around and all the like the the text and info on the screen would be talking about how they're like uh identifying objects and identifying speech and then he like learns like you know fuck you us whole or whatever and then speaks speaks the same you know thing back to the people like if they could have they could have visually kind of told more what's going on and showed more of that mimicry uh to great effect like whenever taskmaster would actually be you know uh beaten or over uh you know overcome in some way they did immediately like analysis 100% you know new move learned or whatever and then all of a sudden they will do the thing back just like you said like that'd be really that'd be a super interesting and fairly unique way of of presenting a villain where like you could never do the same thing to them twice because they would learn and be able to do it back to you or counter it and it's just a law when you unlock that you're like oof i have so many ideas and the movie's like no no that's it another minor minor irritation is like when that when it's getting up like they do the weird like i'm creepy so i'm going to tilt my head you ever notice that in movies yeah it's like it's just so irritating whenever there's a moment of like wait i don't understand quite how this works that character has to tilt the head to make it that much creepier yeah um you could have had a an idea where uh Natasha and her sister have to fight because they they both have like sort of different upbringings at this point and so they have different fighting styles in terms of martial arts and they're poking at making fun of each other for each other's fighting styles the the movie and that's like kind of the the through line thingy um and then when they have to fight fight task master that they can't beat him he's learning him too much and then they have to be like oh i have to fight in your style and you have to fight in my style so that he can't really like mimic us because we're not even fighting like ourselves and they're like oh yeah and then they do that and then they win and that would have been something that just sounds like the repurposed Hawkeye idea i said about with with Black Widow trading weapons see there's a lot of stuff you could do with task master and they did none of it that's the thing it's almost like we're highlighting not that they did the bad thing it's just they didn't do a thing imagination i think it's not even well they didn't do anything yeah it's not like they had a bad idea like oh they had him mimic Black Widow until she shouted at him and he went what and that confused his systems and then she beat him it's like that would have been stupid but so somebody knows their fighting style so that won't work but if you're not used to a fighting style and then you start using it like because it's not like really a style like you're not doing it that well yourself maybe it could be like oh he can't quite predict it because there's an unpredictability to the style because you haven't quite learned it yourself you know it's not going to be really consistent and that's how you beat him you know right is right because he will have been trained to deal with Black Widow's fighting style and then if she's using Yelena's for example he'll be like this is fucking with my understanding of how you even work why are you doing this and and that's how we get our god forbid family members are our sisters to like bond in some way not yeah the first jack and i ever bought me it's got pockets you could actually have like it like they they discuss and that they bond over something that they have as a similarity which is their martial arts skill and they use that to further the plot and defeat the antagonist or but they don't they like kick them off a bridge or something and they're like oh he'll be back he's not done yet and so we could have him come back later in a better movie written by someone way more talented but he knows both fighting styles okay so if rag i'm expecting rags to shoot his pistol at me and so i get like a block like a shield and then he fires the rpg i'm like fucking and then i blow up because like my accounting for one thing doesn't account for the other thing in that immediate moment he's expecting them to punch or kick in a particular way they don't he accounts for that he's like oh i gotta switch i gotta you account for them to fight that way then he's dealing with someone else fighting in a way that he's not supposed like all you have to do is overload you have to be unpredictable yeah like you have to you have to change up your style and your methodology i'll look preferably in the narrative in a way that you're not even trying to do you're not even trying to be unpredictable you are just naturally unpredictable because you haven't quite uh learned yet so okay uh example uh moored how it's a great game y'all should play it and in that game there's a lot of different moves you could make with your sword uh and in your weapons when it comes to blocking parrying chambering reposting that sort of thing and when you fight someone who's relatively skilled or good you kind of have an idea of what they're gonna try to do but when you go against a total fucking noob sometimes they're so bad and they haven't quite figured out the game yet that they could do something that makes absolutely no sense for them to do and it catches you off guard because it's so dumb for them to do it and that could be like the the mirror of that that could be like what they do in this when they fight taskmaster or they have to like use team up attacks intact his his technology he can't fight like two different people at once who are being unpredictable they like overload his computation matrix motherboard machine chip crisp and they they beat them because they work together something you could do like something um i i find it all super interesting because it's such a fun way to try and create a way to beat him and um you know if you if you had like three people it just makes it more and more complex and task managers software slash training you just can't keep accounting for all the switches and he gets confused and he starts getting beaten it's as simple as that in to a degree iron man is better in a fight than cap or bucky but fighting them both at the same time when they're both countering them all the time in civil war it's just it creates so many fucking problems for iron man even though we could all be like well just fly away and fire missile is easy it's just like that the environment plus all the actions everyone's taking makes it a lot harder than it might come across um and they don't take advantage of any of that in this movie nobody does anything um they didn't even like when he fights a lexie uh he just he just dominates and you'd be like that wasn't you didn't do anything like oh it's a fight yeah i guess so i don't know i don't know why you have task master why why not just have bodyguard person well john and then it's like john is a girl intimidating guy then do anything so the scene's a lot like uh that one in winter soldier and uh where you first see cap fight winter soldier or chase after winter soldier but you know bashing through all the walls and jumps through the window and then throws a shield at him and then you're you're expecting it to be a really effective move then winter soldier just turns around grabs it with his metal arm and tosses it back like just that move you're like oh okay this is formidable and he's got a similar power level and skill set so that just that one like i want to say 10 20 second shot accomplished everything that this shot this says he can try to do only way more effectively i think and it left the door open for you know a future encounter it's like okay this guy's formidable when we do actually do our full fight this is going to be tough that's basically all the all the scene had to say and you didn't have all this goofy like slow walking you know jumping onto the cars should he surprise attack and you know slowly getting up and a lot of other stuff like there's a way more efficient way you could have accomplished that what the scene was trying to do yeah um we'll we'll talk more about task managers we go along but for this scene um his senses their senses whatever tell them that um they've got i think it's 100 percent predictability or 99 it's really really really high up yeah 99.89 percent predict 88 percent threat redirect to vials now how stupid does this fucking software have to be to be like there is an obstacle i predict it's going to attack me and it's 88 percent of a threat but i need vials i guess i'll get the vials ignore the threat instead of just suppressing the threat and then getting the vials yeah if it was operating in a under any way that we would expect would be reasonable it would just kill it which uh task manager has a couple chances to do so does not do so just grab a sword right now and just wish and that's it the threat has to be 100 percent so if like it's a shame she used all of her bullets shooting that shield like she hasn't worked with captain america before and what's with the four color bullets or four she she she didn't have the four color bullets that would have been would have been enough to defeat listen you got 12 shots in that block okay i see that it's a 26 and you have the extended mag in it i got one too um you didn't shoot 12 times you could you could just shoot him in the leg the i don't know why i don't know why why do i do this why don't do this to me i don't know why i do it honestly is a pretty small shield as well we had we say we ask a lot of the times why don't you just shoot him we do that a lot i know it's why don't you just shoot him i feel like this could be the alternative title for this movie because there's a lot of scenes especially in act three where it's like people just forgot they have guns yes this is interesting because this isn't a problem that like i remember like 80s action movies often having like usually they account for the guns like they find a way to get rid of the guns and even when they get rid of the guns people fight for the guns like that's what the fight is about getting yes yeah die hard does not a lot for the knock the gun away you're not yeah like there's the the trope of like knocking the uh the gun off the railing and so the it's out of the picture yes that's why they they show it very intently the gun is gone you have to come up with something else the gun is out of the picture the god forbid the stakes have changed and then that's quite often when somebody's like okay pull up the knife ooh new danger okay knife is now better than fist so it's like that is as stupid as a lot of 80s movies were they were they were very good at keeping the tensions high and the stakes you know in the in the correct range and not forget the funny thing about this fucking meme is that i'm like should i open it i've got no tabs on chrome open for a reason right now now past manager is it's gonna be yeah we don't want to do that we have to switch to edge edge might be a little bit better it pains me to say i'm just gonna keep it all closed for as long as we can edge gonna hope to sort of sail through this stream without anything blowing up we're gonna we don't want to you you don't we don't want to go to the red room no and explode that that's another thing too that we have is random explosion chain reactions that just just uh it's aquaman moments we'll get there in five hours i think rax is talking about when the red room just starts blowing up for some reason everything explodes yeah she fires a grenade into the um into the turbine but i guess just every other part of the system just starts blowing up okay that's russian tech i believe it well i feel like as an architect that's like one of your or an engineer it's like all right so let's like design this so that one failure doesn't blow the whole thing it's like just our engineer tech you know it's like you know hopefully something that's going on in this event or also will blow up the whole freaking thing literally tries to stab him in the back by the way when he's walking just like and if you thought that was enough to convince him it's probably worth killing him he still doesn't got it literally disarmed and captured and decides to punch her in such a way it's like superhero punches but they forget that you can't do that to every character you can do this to cap you do to thul you can do it to iron man you can't do it to nat because we have to know about us yeah you gotta have established and consistent power levels for characters and if you violate that then it's gonna cause problems down the road like well the problem is like how can we ask how can task manager throw the shield so powerful that it cuts and sticks into the metal car how are you if you are that strong then if you get punched by him you're probably just dead yeah yeah like you can't get punched by him he'll kill you like isn't isn't the task manager just wearing armor it's not like a mechanized suit or like it's not a skeleton it's just armor so like how is how is a 20 30 you know plus year old woman able to do all that just like black widow black widow is just a human too so you want to avoid a scenario where you have to punch metal generally i'm not generally both our both it's just in general be it the germans or actual pieces of like alloy and things if you're in a position where you have to punch metal you should do something different yeah yeah don't punch metal don't punch metal it will not work and it'll it'll hurt this is what we call counterproductive it'll break your fingers potentially absolutely it's free your head punching metal is definitely i'm pretty sure that was a joke and um i think that was a joke in the clone wars where like a clone punches one of the robots and immediately screams as he grabs his hand it's like yeah punch metal it's really bad idea they did that perfectly in uh kind of what was that the original x-men where a wolverine was in the fist fight and he like he punches his fist the guy's like fuck like he you just see the pain in his arm because he's hitting an adamantium skeleton yeah and then you had in Deadpool where like punches colossus in the face that breaks his head it's like yeah would um yeah so then she decides to attach a little uh little floppy rope to oh wait no not yet they get up and fight again fuck i completely forgot how many times he spares her god damn it it's really annoying only eight only 88 threat though so it's just at this point he's put it down three times it's like when do you decide you know what i might just kill her i've decided um yeah it's really annoying to watch because she does this thing and there's another like amazing editing sort of thing going on in terms of timing i guess so she attaches the wire and she is about let's say a good five meters away um his timeline is slinked up in about i don't know a second maybe two cuts the rope and swings down and attacks her that's a good i don't know we're looking at five seconds probably yeah that was like a cool thing where you're like wow this guy can think on his feet figuratively and he he's really quick with his hands very dexterous he maybe he plans things ahead or he knows to expect certain things he makes the best of a bad situation this guy's like a ninja and ninja and and he somehow doesn't kill her here um there's all kinds of tiny little little tiny little sliver of like oh that that was cool and then it's gone she manages to open the case grab the vials and close the case uh in that time she's like damn i have to run over to it it's like a good that case this it just took the fucking sword swing well yeah well that's that maybe that was one of the numbers from earlier was like it's resistance to machete uh the strikes was like 80 something percent or each corner had like a 30 something percent so it it was like it was really really really resistant to you know um the way that this is edited reminds me of if um a pov is rags running up to my room he's gonna kick open the door and shoot me so he runs up there he lifts his leg to kick it cuts over to me and i'm typing on my phone for ages and then like five seconds later the door bursts open and he's there and they want us to believe that was consecutive like it wasn't at the center like um the him going to kick yeah raising will i just standing there aiming for the right place with my door raised like crane style in front of the door yeah because like he goes up cuts and comes down and he's already up by the time that she's like still meters away from the thing but then we just have a moment where she's dealing with all of it and then we cut back to him he's taking ages walks away from her how can his how can her threat level be that high and he just starts ignoring her i thought her threat level was really high as if someone came into my house and the my my computer said uh threat detected level 86 percent i'm like oh my god how to grab the gun yeah eight percent is like it's a pretty even fight but you'll probably win well like and not only that but like the person just pulls out a machete how many times was she lying on her back recovering or defenseless machete stab done the um yeah you see how fast he was when he was cutting himself off that wire which i guess you can just slice through a wire whatever fuck it um and and you can see how quick he was then and then another place is when there's these big open windows where he can strike he just doesn't do it makes you wonder what he was was up to it's like a really overpowered uh mob monster from a video game with just the worst ai possible getting stuck on walls and just like walking away or you know must have been the wind it reminds me of in like a video game where uh like if you're really bad at a video game and you're playing as a character who's like a fighter you can press a button and the button does this really complex flashy finishing move but when you're not doing that finishing move or that that that that special strike series of attacks that's basically automated you're just running around like an idiot because you're a bad video game player and you don't know like what to do so you bump into walls and you attack mid-air for no reason it's kind of like that large swaths of incredible incompetence that have these tiny little slivers of extremely choreographed like prescripted um super attacks that you'll do yeah it's really just the worst tactics imaginable considering the power level culminating in a kick i think is a kick to black widow that um fucking saids of flying back first into her own truck and then bouncing off it into the water which again she's not cap he's not thaw he's not iron man dead also again strong as this guy very very strong which they never explained by the way there's no like that taskmaster shouldn't have any bonus strength where does that come from yeah how are you that strong that's like you have to be a super soldier to do that yeah it's like they it's like they forgot everybody wasn't captain america like everybody's strength level seems to be pretty much captain america yeah one of the things that made him special apparently everyone is special yeah the but like you have to appreciate this she arc and went forward by what looked to be about five meters do you understand the force he had to hit her with to make that happen yeah so it's not only the force to like where the kick was that would destroy everything that's in that region of your body but also breaking your spine on the back of that car and also hitting the water like you're gonna drown and cough up your own guts as you die at the bottom of the water she's looking really good at that explosion too ignoring ignoring the impact the whiplash alone would be like hitting uh hitting uh like being on car because i didn't like 40 50 miles an hour that's the face of your body all of a sudden shooting back like that yeah yeah that force is is whiplash and that dude yeah and she goes um and taskmaster realizes that she still has the vials and he just doesn't chase yeah he just goes home like oh oh yeah she yeah she's just gone now even though no she's in the river you can probably see her with that look at that fall by the way that's not a small fall pretty significant fall so that's uh that's a dead fall right there she's already died in one fight yeah she's died twice already uh it's it's no you could jump off bridges that high i'm not in her position after having broken it back she's drowning there's no way about it didn't work she didn't go like straight down into the emergency drop she just hit the water flat yeah which which people will know from jumping in pools if you go flat even from a couple of meters it'll slap you and you're like yeah mobility yeah mobility so did he kick the shield he did he did kick the shield um oh yeah it wasn't that's not why that's the problem the force of that pushes her back into the car back first yeah like she's holding the shield in front of her and so i don't know what's going on with her arms right now uh in terms of she holds the shield up and all of a sudden he does this kick flip and it just uh it doesn't make any sense and it shows that she's she's got i would say this i think i would say that this one has the do this is have more plot armor than winter soldier i think so yeah uh it's close i know it's close but when you consider the third act i think it beats winter soldier i think the third act is what yeah the fact that like yelena blows up a thing like right in front of her and that doesn't kill her and then black widow free falls and catches her and then fights task master and then manages to grab onto task master and deploy the parachute when she would have died it's like that's uh that's especially considering she's a normal human she's not like captain america supposed to be a lion man in a suit you know like yeah yeah the plot armor and and this is plot armor this is hyper plot armor right here yeah significant five times over because for me the big plot armor thing is is the um when when the helicopter is just hovering there and the guy shooting out at 50 count oh yeah that's the thing for anybody this is the for anybody saying it's an easy choice out of either of them i'd be like you have to remember how much is it both um winter soldier has insane plot armor but i think this one edges it out um dare i say that's it for act one because of the way this film split uh like we we're kind of done with the intro for everything now and then we get the one piece of connecting tissue that lines us up with meeting yelena and this is a huge problem again our villain sort of um we have yeah the backstory sort of taken care of that we have the vials and their importance established uh yeah so you're Natasha okay you receive the vials you have no context for what the fuck they're about but attached to them is a picture of yourself when you were young with Yelena which they let you keep for some well keep that picture funnily enough the timeline for that is she grabs it in the house she or no she grabbed it from the car it was in the um the windscreen sorry sunscreen thing what are they called yeah um she pulls that down grabs it from there she then gave it to Yelena in the opening credits when they're both screaming and being torn away she gave us her that Yelena managed to hang on to that for like 20 years as a black widow how the fuck yeah that'd be searched so many you wouldn't be allowed to keep any personal items is no way they're they're like horrible crazy do not have any attachments people why the fuck would they let you keep pictures of you and your loved ones that's not a thing yeah that's weird the new thing about that um also also like uh she was under mind control uh like chemical based mind control for how many years she would never yeah she would never even that wouldn't even register to her to to keep that yeah but she did and Natasha sees it and so like if we're being completely just so generous be like as a as a writer what does she do with that I'd be like I don't know I don't know what she could draw from that image I don't know why that takes it and most reviews of this and this is not the fault of anybody I think in particular because you're just sort of watching a film like so she heads to Budapest to find Yelena and you're like stop stop stop why why did she go to Budapest yeah why why have you and we find that the reasoning is Natasha thinks Yelena will be in the Budapest safe house because she just thinks that that's the case why wouldn't she just give it to her like with her hands I guess yeah because we're about to get into all of that I imagine because yeah if you're just give it to her just say hey don't shoot me I have these vials and here's what they do we should mail one to Tony Stark using shut up he's into a lab and make these into a you know mass produced vaccine for the mind yeah these will stop the army of evil assassins that will destroy the world we should do something also we're both like pointing guns at each other I don't know I feel like if you rounded a corner and there was someone pointing a gun at you you might just think of one called the trigger yeah like that's what I do is like oh shit son just pointing a gun at me the person who pulls the trigger first wins that better be me just look how close they get to each other and the both of the birds is just looking at each other we're already what is happening what are you doing too far forward for me right I know it's just such a terrible there's so much wrong so yeah like I said she drew from the photo being attached that Yelena sent them to her which I already think is a jump it's like yes okay she drew from nothing that Yelena is probably in the Budapest safe house and by the way for anybody thinking like well isn't it because of the she that's where um the handler said the message was sent like the handler said it was just a secret agent that moved a piece of mail on not that they sent it so going to the Budapest safe house is a huge gamble I have no idea why she thinks this is the most likely thing but she was right um and we kind of just have to mention she goes through all kinds of public travel yes Natasha Romanov so here's the world famous here's the stupid thing they tease that she's that she's going to dye her hair because we see her getting hair dye I was like oh smart at least change anything about you so that's not getting recognized and then hair color now for a lot of people I mean considering you know yeah it's like oh indeed because I was thinking about that when she got like the passports like that's not going to be enough you need to change your appearance somehow well the part that gets really awkward is is there any reason to believe that she doesn't have access to the super duper mask like why if she's got access to the handler because those are only around when the plot needs them to exist yeah that's the problem is like the reality is that she would get one of those that would be the smart thing to do but absolutely and you can you can have fun with it you can have a person we don't have any clue who they are and they're talking you know they ambush Yelena and then Yelena's like able to recognize from the way that they did it who it is and we as an audience are like oh oh and then she takes the mask off and you're like oh okay just something of a reveal but no they're just like nah she went through all the public travel looking like here it's fine don't worry about it so okay and that that's about to get that's about to get much much worse with whole being in public over the course of the movie yes uh I was I was yelling at my screen when I was like you fucking idiot I heard people was like oh my god it's it's black widow from the adventure so I need to I should should I be talking to you that's one scene that's in particular that's like really infuriating but I think I was gonna wait until we get there just for the visual of it um one thing I'm gonna jump ahead for is why is Yelena in this safe house and she says her reasoning is I expected you would never come here that's I mean that's not like them to meeting which is integral to everything happened because one of them assumed that they'd be there and the other one assumed they wouldn't be there to avoid them yeah the whole reason that Yelena or Yelena's reaction is ridiculous here she's like she sent exactly the the red vials to Natasha and then here you brought them you brought them back to me it's like dude what do you expect you you're in the building with no context like they're here yeah like um why I don't know why they're in the safe spot if you want so if if black widow is coming like you're you you're Yelena right and you're an idiot and you know that black widow is coming to talk to you or whatever and black widow doesn't know what's going on and she has the picture and everything and the last thing you need to be doing is to have her around the corner and you're pointing a gun at her to confirm her suspicion that this is some kind of a trap or that you're trying to you know be mean to her what you need to be doing is you need to be calmly sitting on a coffee table saying hi there you can trust me let me explain what's going on to you not I'm pointing a gun at you this is like three times that happens in the movie where somebody invites somebody in this case Yelena invites Natasha essentially to come meet with her later on they risk their lives to save their quote-unquote dad and then later on they meet their quote-unquote mom and each time they're like we just went through you know 500 miles of travel and or life and death situations to meet you I hate you this is like such a weird reaction like Yelena invites Natasha over and then immediately tries to kill her just like what what are you doing I think it'll be worth showing this and then if rags can just give his commentary he's gonna know very well how valid this is it's a it's a form of gun Carter I'm sure the thing yeah I'm gonna I'm just gonna play it here for the audience this so their fingers aren't even on the triggers their finger yeah so their fingers aren't even on the trigger which is generally we have the opposite problem yeah films and video games where people keep their fingers on the trigger while they're vaulting over obstacles and running and rolling around and things like that which is how you get accidental discharges because your fingers on the fucking trigger and now I'm like oh so you don't want to shoot each other one time they have trigger discipline they shouldn't have and and I don't get this whole like this this whole we're gonna grab each other's guns thing like that's really dumb yeah I think the one they want us to think is like it was a really cool move to disarm your opponent but they did it to each other at the same time so all they really did was switch the guns you're like why are you not like holding on to your gun tightly yeah well they were reaching for another one and and they just it was really cool why are you nitpicking it's just it's really dumb that was so stupid um right correct me it's not a weird way that she's uh Yelena's handling the gun with her left yeah I noticed that too with her fingers up really high along the side of the slide that's really weird I don't do that with any of mine I it's not something I see people do couldn't that slide you know you shoot it it flies back and you know if your fingers along the side of it it could you know just just a weird way to that isn't really well you're right I've never seen that oh yeah the slide could hit your finger and also isn't the left side with the ship oh my god how awkward it is I'm trying to stimulate myself it'll come out the right generally right but it's just the fact of your thumb is against the slide it's it's really weird it's a very bizarre grip the two thumbs are lined up together like that yeah yeah and I noticed that both of them both of them are kind of doing the thing because I can't see black widows her left thumb but where you're holding so you have like where like I don't like I hold the bottom so with my right hand because I'm right handed I'm a righty I hold mine normally with my right hand pretty much the way there is to do it in my my left hand is on the bottom of the grip it's not in front of the I don't know maybe that's a preference thing but I've never done that it's just kind of well you can still fire the gun that's what's important right yeah yeah but what she has to have her thumb like into the gun like why would your left thumb be hurled over your right thumb or along your right thumb so that you could put your thumb against the slide because if you shoot it you're going to be like oh shit that metal just slid along my thumb which probably isn't going to hurt you but it's going to be really weird you should have your thumb right under the slide for better recoil control under the slide all of your hands should be under the nothing no part of your hand should be above the slide in any way so yeah maybe it will like it comes across as weird to me but I don't know enough about guns to be sure yeah your reaction to the slide uh the slide very very rapidly rubbing against your finger might also adjust your aim to you might like have a like a reaction um yeah no that'll be after the shot but it's it's weird I've never seen anyone hold a gun like that no it's super nitpicky sure but it's just weird to see and it's interesting to look at anyway because this is stuff that might be overlooked or it might be something good to learn from you know um but we were just talking about plot armor earlier now I'm gonna try and go through this selection and show Yelena grabs Natasha and she does this slam slam now that for a normal person is already like fucking ow okay stop it we've already established that these characters are insanely resilient to all forms of damage um and so this is the thing because there's people who haven't seen this movie so this will be funny so then Yelena grabs a plate smashes it across Natasha's face and then I want to show them in it check this out chat watch this move oh that would hurt it will you know right and how do you throw her like that that's insane I forgot about that ow that's like a literal yeet right there just yeeted like how did you generate enough force to throw this woman who's your size like whoa you did it with wires oh wait no sorry that's true in your world now like pulling out knives and shit like what are you doing why do you not why Yelena what are you doing why are you trying to kill her what the fuck is happening here well so this is the thing after all you've seen look at that move right there she's trying she is attempting to dig that knife into Natasha's neck so she's trying to kill her um yeah and now I can imagine people be like what the e-fap what is happening in this scene it's like well let me tell you Natasha arrived and um she was like what what you're doing being sneaky out there like Yelena and then Natasha was like well not sure that I trust you and then Yelena was like not sure I trust you either which is a huge sticking point for me because you sent her all the fucking vials yeah which fucking pisses me off to no end you clearly trust her a lot you have an incredible amount of trust in her and now you're like you trust her more than anyone else in the world um you'd be like so well what happened did they get into like a big fight how did the fight start it's like well you saw it they walked right up to each other with their guns aimed then they swapped their guns and then she started bashing her into walls and stabbing her I have no clue why they've escalated to killing each other yeah they just instead of Yelena just putting her gun up or away or just to the side or dropping it and saying hey I sent you those vials for a reason I trust you there's so much that you don't there's so there's so much that you don't know that we have to explain no they try to kill each other because we need a fight scene yeah I was just completely lost in the scene I'm like what what is your motivation for inviting somebody if you just try to kill them like you're obviously meant it as a friendly invitation because you give them the most important vials to the plot and like your sister whatever but like Jesus Christ oh so weird um yeah this is this oh no that looks like some really that's like some awful Nintendo 64 face yeah yeah it's like I think I could make out you know the face kind of it's it literally if you really look at the like skins for like gold night models and friends before it looks just like that it looks like the face is like squished my beautiful mother dude looks like a like a background character in a comic book who doesn't have to be really well-defined or anything oh yeah oh this would be the kind of thing you'd see in the Gotham High comic book yeah absolutely no no no no this is too proportional that would never be in the Gotham High comic because you could call him handsome woman handsome woman okay so all right I'm gonna pee right back so that's that was fun we have fun we have a good yeah this is one we already had proof that Yolanda was definitely trying to kill it but there's this one bit here where she goes to she is pushing that knife with a strong intention to absolutely fuck up Natasha look at that face that is going right if she is desperate to end her life yeah it's not like a he says how's it going it's more like a fucking endio you're just pretty nuts and so you're just like wow how's this gonna end it's like well Natasha says truce and then they have they have a chat I think in my notes I just wrote I'm confused about this truce and fight it's all nuts and Natasha sustains a sane amount of damage but I do think we're at the point where you'd have one of the writers or the director or fucking what's his name fight you'd be like oh okay so cap can take damage but Natasha can't thank you yes you're showing your bias there no well I'd be like I am biased towards super soldiers you're right well no I guess my response would be well I would expect that Captain Marvel would probably be doing all right in this situation not so hurt I don't know that Yolanda could do anything to Captain Marvel well I guess that's what I'm saying is just any response like that it's like no I wouldn't apply this like Wonder Woman or something but uh Yelena she's just like a normal person um not normal person but yeah this this to me felt like oh shit we have not an action scene in two seconds better get one in there yeah I just want to say that I was about to say that it's like there's like a counter uh on the you know uh peripheral vision of every single character it's like oh no we're gonna have to fight scene for five minutes gotta kill you yeah I get the twitches I'm going with well it's it's funny because we only get uh about a minute of exposition and then another action scene starts yeah um and this exposition by the way catastrophic again shows how much they give a shit about the story we're like yeah this is an explanation oh no a fight scene I can't believe this is happening the scene this action scene I and yes I watched Ongbug yesterday I don't know if people are aware of this it's pretty old yeah yeah that has I watched those those those fight scenes I was like man I can see what's happening it looks like they're actually fucking hitting each other which they probably did because then especially like Thai and Korean movies like they have like actual fighters that can do that shit about the martial arts in their martial arts movies yes so yeah the camera is in one place mostly like you mostly if you can see when actual moves happen there's like oh I was like I know what's happening I can understand what just happened he kicked him yeah under the thing and he blocked it with a thing and then he kicked with his leg and then now they're like I'm following I I I I understand what is happening yeah Tony job or Tony yeah I actually don't know how to pronounce his name properly uh he is he's insane and I think and I saw he's in the new monstonsa movie which made me laugh we still gotta see it said you see it when I was like oh this is where I'm gonna see him next um yeah I know he's great in that uh like the scene where they they jump through the uh the actual barbed wire like yeah hanging barbed wires like man it's nuts yeah I think that this is what would put him on the scene I think that movie yeah because he's good it was I saw some feature it feature ads as well where they do the stuns and they're like those they're like actual fighters and they're like little protective vests under their their costumes and they kick the shit out of each other all right there's some hard contact to the head yeah if you fuck him up he's got a vest on you fuck him up especially when you see those those weird flippy ones like he does like a front flip and they kicks him with like his two feet and if you're like nah he didn't really hit them there and then you see like a feature at a scene where he kicks like a kick pad like this and the guy who's holding it is like going back and you hear like a I was like oh fuck I don't want to get hit with this yeah the film too for the film yeah yeah just really impressive and just really nice to look at good action story is terrible but of course of course but but yeah yeah the action is absolutely ass in this entire movie but you know at least sometimes I can understand it's a trend it's like with the with the stories are terrible the characters are terrible and the action is terrible the recent one being Loki versus Sylvie as well it has the same problem of why are you even fighting like I don't even know I'm just watching a fight scene because I have to I guess uh motivated fight scenes and then fight scenes that are well filmed I miss both of you yeah and whatever happens yeah and was considered one of the one of the less or Marvel films Iron Man 2 was the first appearance we saw of Black Widow I recommend going through about halfway through that video I posted where it shows her first like kickassery and those I mean I wouldn't call them perfect but the choreography was really intense like snappy editing she's like flipping knocking guys over you know hanging them up from the ceiling like doing all sorts of crazy crazy stuff and meanwhile like happy is struggling with one dude which is pretty funny but like the comparison I mean I hate I really hate to mention this but like I just think this movie might have been done just five eight years too late because I it's it's it's a hard truth but I mean Iron Man 2 was 11 years ago I mean she's I don't mean to get you know too personal but like she's been through two divorces she's had a kid you know I don't blame her for not being quite as you know springy and lively as she was back in you know 2010 so like it just it's just been a while since she's played this role so I don't understand if she isn't able to uh completely do the same flips and and gymnastics that she was able to do I don't know she really looks like she's in great shape and also a lot of it is stunts like yeah yeah always get a stunt this is well I mean she's worked with the same stunt person for I think the whole MCU and she seems quite good at what she does the problem is that like the choreography itself is not yeah I would gun for the the filmmaking rather than anything to do with Scarlett Johansson at this point yeah she's not old anyway she's like what 35 but I am looking at these and I think they unless they uh transplanted her face on there I think she does like 99% of the fighting well at this stage visual effects is like really at the point where they might actually have transplant the face no it it is literally that is a thing that is done a lot in uh action movies now where you just have the stunt double but they have some dots on their face and then you just transplant the face of the actor that's they've done it for years well one of the times I found out that it was a thing they were doing was uh Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith uh that was in 2002 yeah they try and if you pause you can totally tell but they're trying to CGI Chris Philly's face on top of the stunt guy um which you know like it's good it's not that bad like when you when you watch the thing you can be convinced that Chris Philly's doing at least a decent amount of some of the obviously the close-up ones but yeah um yeah obviously as you said that's like what nearly 20 years ago um I agree 35 is not old stop this idea that we are like when you get to your 30s you're like an old person you're not old to your like 60 yeah I'm yeah I'm I'm I'm 36 so I mean I can I can relate but oh my god you're old wow man you're so old oh my goodness but the one thing that kind of uh really kind of amazed me I mean obviously Scarlett Johansson's nowhere near this in terms of physical peak quality but I remember uh what's the famous runner um uh Usain Bolt was like starting to get a little bit little bit slower in his runs and he like he still won but he like he didn't quite get the the record he was looking for and he was like oh yeah my age you know age might have been a factor or something so he's like 26 so like even even past your like prime prime prime years you know things start to slow down you know joints don't quite aren't they quite the same and stuff like that and I don't think that's a really the the reason necessarily but I'd say choreography and stuff and just not having an action director like this director of this movie was has done nothing but everybody who had any say in making these action scenes all sucked like nobody really gave a shit these are shit yeah because we watched uh extraction not long ago the action in that is fucking phenomenal compared to this and oh yeah yeah actually I really cared a lot and it's a matter of cues and and effort and time like the idea is like well Chris Hemsworth is in the peak of his lifetime that's why they were able to do everything they could have a lot of people doing what he was doing you just have to get directors every move yeah and get every move right at the right time like this is when you punch this is when you grab this is when you move this this is when you stab choreography and that's not yeah that's not physicality and um yeah they don't have any of that in this they're just doing things uh so of course we get a lot of exposition turns out Yelena sent the vials to Natasha in the hopes that Natasha would give it to Tony Stark in the hopes that Tony Stark would analyze it and discover the location of the red room and send Cap to destroy it can you think of seven thousand problems with this line of logic actually one moment someone sent me a message and said did you guys already talk about uh that the movie or parts of the movies are at least five years old because they have the old Nokia Windows phones and the Surface Pro 2 that's probably just that that's probably just a prop department thing to make it i had within a timeline yeah they say it's product placement um i mean i was i don't know i was well uh depending on when they're using these things couldn't it be argued that they're using like better versions of phones and they're using like shitty attack potentially yeah i i don't think it's i don't think it's like a in in like a film problem it's just like a hey this movie is the movie is old i guess was filmed years and years ago so what was so they had the product placement that was cutting edge at one time and now it's not anymore it now it's five years old no i think he's saying that the movie is set like five years in the past so are they using future tech that didn't exist at that point in time like products that didn't exist is that the point i thought i thought they were saying that the phones were older than i don't know anymore i think it was that because because the this film no this film was shot in 2019 it wasn't shot in 20 if he's saying five years ago he means it was set in uh in in 2016 which it is yeah so the film was set five years in the past the way the way he says it it made it was led me to believe that the scenes like they filmed the movie parts of it were filmed five years ago no they weren't no no they absolutely weren't no yeah well definitely they actually they would have been per planting because they were going to put scenes from bonus scenes from civil war in this at first but they decided to cut them i didn't yeah maybe there's a mix up in there somewhere i don't know i don't think either argument works and you read the first what they said again could you just read it out again uh did you guys already talk about that the movie or parts of the movie are at least five years old because they have the old nokia windows phones and the surface pro too yeah i don't i don't know what like i think that's what point is being made yeah it was the point that the movie sucks because it's old that's dumb because nine minutes you had better that's not the point and uh if the movie it uh the movie did wrap in 2019 october 6 2019 um according to internet uh but also i think that if if there are old phones and stuff like that that could just be clever uh prop department and just saying like hell this is set in 2016 let's use 2016 technology why sorry why did you say it's if his point is it sucks because it's old why would eddie would make that point i don't know anyway right so what i just said that through line um it breaks in like eight different ways elaine is supposed to have sent the vials to natasha to send it to tony she didn't just send a vial to tony okay she did not send instructions with the vials even though there's no reason not to she instead sent a picture to hopefully and this is the best interpretation i have she doesn't say this to hopefully give the impression to natasha that the vials relate to black widows and freeing them that's instead of just writing a note that says these non-mine control vials for black widows because black widows says why did you send me this and she puts deliberately picks up the picture and puts it down on the table i think she's referring to that not the vials and it's not answered she all she says in response is you brought them here yeah so we just ignore that question because yeah it doesn't make sense brought them as like aren't they here what do you mean yeah like where where did she pick up the so she picked up the vials in budapest where is where is elaine right now so elaine picked them up in morocco she sent them to nat through whoever was in budapest apparently then she went to budapest and then natasha came back to or came to budapest looking for her so both the vials so where where is the location difference between where the vials were delivered and where elaine is here so if elaine was in morocco and sent them to the safe house to be sent to natasha and then she finds out when she goes to the safe house and natasha has come back to the safe house with the vials she would be accurate in saying you brought them back technically yeah oh my god you you're right so she sent them to budapest possibly not even knowing that it would end up being sent well apparently they were care of natasha so that was her goal i guess that's interesting she sent them to budapest then went to budapest why not just like yeah that's what i'm trying to figure out like maybe i'm confused because it seems to me like i i have this idea in my mind that she sent them to a place that she went she ended up going there yeah afterward i guess so i don't i don't understand why would and then she was mad that that they were in budapest but after she sent them to budapest well they were moved from budapest to norway and then they came back from away but well she knew it would have left presumably because she went to the safe house she would have known it was moved out of that safe house to natasha wherever natasha is and then natasha brought them back it's um it's not important compared to what she should be asking yes um it's almost a distraction to the audience because natasha asked a question that could easily point out how stupid elaine is but then we don't get an answer to it so it's like never mind um really hard to follow um she hoped that from tony analyzing them that he could find the location of the red room that makes no sense elaine says that the red room is really hard to find because even the people who work there are sedated when they enter and leave like they before they enter and then after they live as they leave they they don't know where it is so how would having a vial tell you where the red room is she said i was expecting when watching the news to find out one day that captain america destroyed the red room how okay that's uh yeah how well stretch and why not work with the avengers why not put yourself in and be like hey i'm an ex black widow i breached the system i've got all these vials this can help you i've got loads of information i can help you drake off is a real thing mind control is a real thing la la la instead i'm going to send the vials to someone i don't even trust to try and get it to someone else you can derive a location irl out of the vials without even knowing what they do somebody i don't trust whom is currently on the run from the government that i tried to kill the second she entered my apartment yeah okay yeah because that's the question what was she gonna do when she killed like if she succeeded in killing that now what was just the end of the story i guess so so if they confirm that they were sedated before entering leaving the red room then that makes the micro crisp thing completely impossible she'd have no idea where that was or even at the tracker existed right um we're supposed to believe that they just they're aware of those trackers or the the chips they just but when they wouldn't they be implanted in the red room though so that i have no idea you think that they shouldn't be aware of them but the film is telling us they are aware of them okay that's all we can do uh well uh they actress uh what's her name uh pew she's she's british so maybe she has like a micro crisp to detection they genetically implanted into her because she's british who knows i don't know why being british would mean that but i understand that that is a possibility because you can detect crisps you know all right i mean a bit of a stretch but i mean this movie isn't alien to those at this point um so they decide well they don't even get to finish their conversation um she explains all of that and then they're like kind of mad at each other and then uh i guess i'll show chat this we got another aquaman moment uh she says what about drakoff's daughter which is the obviously the spooky secret is that um natasha kills drakoff's daughter in order to kill drakoff it's her the the red in her ledger or at least part of it and so she says what about her and then there's like a freeze and we're like oh no but then suddenly action scene um it's so annoying because this movie you like you play a couple of seconds it's like right now let's talk about the seven things that just went wrong yeah this could have easily been fixed by just showing like 10 seconds of surveillance footage somebody's watching them just just imply that something somehow this was a play with those all planned or something because otherwise these things just happened to be incredibly coincidental it's really bad so i guess their plan here to get a land yelling and natasha right is to blow a hole in the ceiling instead of just shooting them through the window or just waiting until they walk out the door and shooting them immediately their plan is to blow a hole in the ceiling and then walk in with machine guns and try and shoot them i guess that i i i guess my bar is a little higher for the supposed greatest assassins in the world that can totally disrupt all of the world economy and governments and everything maybe i just feel like they should be doing better than this is better too better yeah so if you've got their location you know they're incredibly dangerous you just wait until they leave and you shoot them down they're all by the way standing outside covering the exits in case they they go outside so it's like so they're already willing to do that um there's a lot of disadvantages to blowing yourself through a ceiling including but not limited to your inability to fucking see breathe and you can't distinguish who the good guys from the bad guys are yeah you fucking dust everywhere you've created like a smoke bomb effect that gives concealment to the targets bad move like the mob right you know all those mob movies and spy movies where someone's just like they just get gunned down because like the the the people with the guns they're waiting for the others to just walk out of a building and then once they do just boom machine guns you're dead you don't have a chance they're not fucking around that's just what you do that's why the mob does that shit that's just a sudden drive by where you just drive by and you unload of machine gun on them and that's it it's done that's all it is it's not this fancy bullshit of we have to set up these explosive charges in the room above where they are in all that it's so stupid but the spectacle ooh someone in just so maybe they're trying to kill them with asbestos kill them fucking selves with asbestos it's uh there's one with an afro in this scene by the way it's oh yeah the hair they let these super mega assassins keep their afros and shit what are you doing yeah they probably all should be bald if you know if we're really trying to like be efficient oh yeah like that's what it's it's all of it should be all efficient it's like they cut your hair in the military it's like just people can grab hair I almost think doing that when you're fighting if you guys remember the um there was a trailer that was the afro lady was much clearer and there was like another shot of it it's much more harder to find her in this scene and I think that maybe somebody in the editing room was like this fucking afro lady is so embarrassing yeah it's like she in any group of people she's just gonna stand out like a sore thumb because of her big fucking profile from the afro like you're supposed to be a deadly assassin and you're extremely conspicuous this is so fucking stupid cg fog or something over to lessen the impact maybe yeah that's where it feels because you don't get a really good shot of her throughout this whole scene but just like what are you doing well look at her big fucking it's like bat woman also like hair is a big big uh disadvantage in like any hand-to-hand combat because you just like grab she walks in it's like I don't save any woman who doesn't have a uterus so it's such a basic concept too like uh military is going as back back as far as the ancient Greeks used to shave their heads to remove any sort of like disadvantage that you might have or you know block of vision or anything like that so like that's like military always got the crew cut because they'd remove that any sort of disadvantage or inconvenience you'd have when when you're on some sort of deadly mission very weird um and yeah like we can't go fucking five seconds without more plot armor they uh they get shot at throughout this whole building and just everyone misses a course because why wouldn't they they uh go to head outside immediately devalue by the way walls are not bulletproof and deadly assassin should know that oh they took cover behind that wall I'm just gonna shoot them through the wall walls are not bulletproof if you guys have played the classic modern warfare 2 you'll know that there are certain walls if you played modern warfare 2 you know that nothing in the universe is bulletproof yeah except for bushes you can shoot through a lot of things except for bushes that's true yeah um that's that's why a lot of people use that's one of the reason to use a shotgun for home defense is that shotguns don't have that much penetration now uh we've had several so Yelena activate some explosions they like they're in the lamps I think and it's just a distract and then they managed to beat up and knock out a few of these black widows and then they try and head out and there's something funny fuck I missed it again where are you um what the point I'm making is there's loads of sound right you would have heard screaming explosions gunfire and this operation is specific to bringing down these two specifically and uh they get to the close to reaching the outside where of course you're gonna have black widows perched and ready to kill them if they should enter this yep once they walk outside bam dead done movies over that's what assassins do they sit and they wait for their target to do exactly what they need to do instead you have two extremely conspicuously dressed people with big guns just standing there in the middle of the fucking streets and they're not even you are the shittiest assassins I've ever seen as well after all the noise you would have heard you're like that's fine I'm sure they've got it they've probably got it under control oh yeah and of course they shoot and they miss because everyone fucking misses yeah why didn't the assassin I know we I'm pretty sure you might have mentioned earlier but like it would have been a lot smarter for them to just wait until they stepped outside the front door and fucking shoot them in the face like why would you blow up the hole in the roof and give yourself so many things they could have done a little better like tossing many grenades just suddenly into the apartment building using a gas of any kind waiting obviously waiting for them to come out was just that's what anybody normally would do using a gas of any con would have been pretty smart yeah because you just gas and come in with your moss instead of without them and breathing in all that asbestos yeah yeah it's so frustrating they have snipers everywhere people covering everything and they all shoot at them as they approach these exits but everyone misses everybody not very good assassins I guess no and um two two black widows on a staircase attacking and Yelena tosses a grenade at them that's gonna be relevant later yeah yeah we're gonna talk about that um well there's a goal here I think the I think it's fair to to kill these people in self-defense if you have no other option we will go over that yeah because if you let them kill you you can't save any of them yeah of course um so they get to the roof and there's only one black widow chasing them a black widow that has two pistols chasing we have we don't use those those are just decorative it's uh really staggering to watch when you get to the point of because when you're all running on the rooftop say you're gonna have a little bit of like maybe maybe she's so focused on trying to keep up with them that she can't pull the pistols out maybe but when you get to the point where they're just awkwardly standing on this pole and she is this far away yeah you're uh you're pulling those pistols out and you're shooting them they are sitting ducks easy shots and as a reminder these are mind controlled completely morality free you know yeah there's barely any decision making to be done they just yeah you know this is scenario kill them now chat you may be wondering wait well what is she gonna do of course she will jump onto them and begin stabbing them with her knife that is what she will do which will then kill her too that's uh maybe she drops and dies anyway playing this is just like bad all you have to do is pull the pistol and shoot them it was easy why join them on this really risky move jesus christ and it looks like you die if you do it yeah they're probably gonna kill themselves exactly like when that thing hits the whatever it's gonna hit you're gonna fly off you because you can't grip it enough i do and you're just gonna fall to your well look at how high but but what i find funny is like that this thing got pushed over by taking out a little pin and just push it in the middle of a massive city if you look at those connectors it looks like you'd have to disconnect all of them no no no any regulation wouldn't allow it so that this enormous fucking pole that can blast into a building if it falls over is held by one little latch it's like bullshit yeah yeah and also yeah that's oh well and i guess this is the part of the movie where we learned that the mind control is incredibly stupid because if it was if it was good she would have held on to black widow's hand because she was saying oh i got you she's trying to save you so hold on to her hand and then wait until you get wherever you go and then kill her well yeah like even if you don't believe her like you're holding on to her you are you have air beneath you you need to hold on to her or you're gonna fall well the point i'm making here is that clearly the mind control has no regard for self-preservation which is stupid because it should like it's not worth killing yourself if you achieve nothing like there should just self-preservation so the people know what you're talking about she yeah flails at attacking natasha until she gets herself killed yeah because she's an idiot yeah but she doesn't everyone in this film is an idiot she doesn't hit anything with the knife no yeah she misses her twice and so natasha drops her like any reasonable person would because like i'm not gonna get she says no i think she slipped i don't think she dropped her i think the film wants us to believe yeah split well i thought i mean i don't care either way i'm just saying that like this this knife didn't connect and this person for some reason decided with her black widow software i'm totally going to try and attack their hand in exchange for me not being able to live yeah that's great um the only thing they in praise of this is that it would be pretty hard to move your right arm all the way up because you're basically dangling from your left arms you'd have to lift your entire right side of your body up to reach your your hand so i could understand why it'd be difficult but yeah attacking literally the hand that's so this hurts to be propelled through a window like that that hurts it hurts really hard when after you go through the window you smash into a concrete wall and then into stairs well so yeah yeah chat see that would have hurt her right you probably agree with that chat yeah let's say so yeah she's probably hurt you know yelena is probably hit oh natash is fine though she hung out on the edge that you can see wow she went right oh oh wait oh no oh no oh no i mean that'll hurt you'll be i mean you can live but that um i think this run wixery all over again this has been said a few times but if you are making this film and you need to make that cgi ask yourself why that's the case and then maybe why can't you not make it more believable what what was like why can't you do this with a real person it's like well we've killed them it's like oh what are you doing is black without a normal person i don't know why they did this it's so stupidly cartoonish yeah it's so obviously deadly she she lands on her feet i would never would have never guessed that i will ever say they did it better in genre three at least i was shocked when she landed on her feet i'm like oh i thought she'd just be like a just a heap on the ground i think uh i think he's picked up he's he's picked up by randy yeah because he can't fucking walk i think my favorite part here is how she like grabs her waist like oh it's like yeah all those broken ribs oh yeah i just gotta hurt you know you ever like fall on fall on like a coffee table or something like that you're like oh fuck i'm gone i'm like pretty much ouch for the whole day like i would think that hitting those things at those angles would almost be worse than like falling the entire distance and rolling imagine falling on 12 coffee tables from like four stories i'll hate when that happens yeah and it's even the first leading cause of death right it's like about a two meter fall and she's kind of torso first into the vents like oh that'll hit and then it just keeps going and going and going and going gratuitous but she's fine here's there's a way you could do that or if she like caught onto the vent held it for a couple seconds and slipped that would at least like quote unquote absorb the first the first like a velocity drop essentially and then she could like slip and then maybe you know catch yourself halfway on a bar that breaks you know at least like you have to kind of catch you have to kind of like uh slow down the fall not just like bang bang bang that just makes it seem like she got hit four times rather than once someone said she was trained to control pain i hope you're trolling me like she was trained to not be human and they were not your uterus they removed her if you're pain if your bones are dust it doesn't matter no they trained you to deal with that so yeah that all happened it was pretty hilarious and i think they only did it because they needed to get here so these are the goals of the scene we need the black widow to fall and die we need yelena to be delayed and we need natasha to be with the fallen black widow but not in not in wounded she needs to be okay how do we do that and this is what they gave you and yeah just wow incredible amazing um so this black widow she's like hey it's chill don't don't be a flump and then she goes to shoot her with her wrist thing and then drake of tells her to kill herself and the question why not just let her shoot her with the wrist thing though good question that is a good question actually i don't i guess why didn't she just shoot black widow well the way that they edited too is that she had the time to do so yeah look at that she could have killed it she could have got her right there but um yeah drake of is slowly telling her to kill herself and i guess that's what happens the instructions are in english first and russian second that seems to make a lot of sense yeah that's uh they're acting too it's like i don't want to do this i just remember being that being really cringy yeah um so how do they kill themselves if they've broken their arms yeah that seems like how do they kill themselves you can heal those you got a huge investment in these soldiers no no no it's it's the idea of like how can they kill themselves if they're incapacitated like why would you have it that the terminate function only works if they're capable of killing themselves what if they're not is that it they're captured and then you're fucked they hold their breath if they yeah the two times you're really gonna need to well that's the funny thing is that's new tech apparently that she's recently come across with the pigs so maybe they'll introduce that but the interesting thing to me is that the two times you're really going to want to kill them is if they defect or if they're captured in which both times they're not going to be willing to kill themselves so maybe have something in the chip right remote detonation or remote release of cyanide into the bloodstream that seems like the really obvious choices yeah you could instead of putting the chip in your leg but in the back of their brainstem and just have a you know quick shock dip you know bam gone if it were an explosive we can't do that because Yelena would be dead already as well as potentially blowing up fucking Natasha in the scene and if it was cyanide Yelena would be dead as well so we can't do that it has to be something else um yeah sucks when you write a shitty story because then you can't make anything make sense yeah it's like they made the chip ridiculous easy to remove because they had to have Yelena be able to do it on the field right after she was yeah very quickly so that we don't ask questions to what the fuck the chip does and what can be done to Yelena through the chip but yeah so she's dead but the interesting thing is Yelena shows up to be like do you believe me now it's just like shut the fuck up I also hate everyone's Russian accents they make me cringe I was gonna mention that it gets on almost like every any of you seen after earth with Will Smith where they invent that accent for everybody it almost borders on that where you've gotten no they used to language expert to the accent of the future would be okay yeah whatever that means the accent you're not you are not promoted the ranger and so yeah but uh having having your entire having your entire cast of like americans and english people and whatnot and all having them do their worst uh russian accent like well there's a couple times where sorry go ahead why not just get russians you know russians would be great but they're not famous so I guess you can't do that but I all go but then she plays like a mute she plays character doesn't speak oh that was okay okay yeah what a waste right the one russian person who could have actually done a really good accent but uh I I I worked with a really closely with a russian guy for six years um a few other russian people actually but specifically this one guy and yes his name was lad um and like he barely knew english when he first started the company so he had a pretty thick accent and but you can kind of there's a certain subtle subtle not so subtle difference between a really good and funny imitated russian accent to an actual russian accent and I mean obviously rushes like 11 time zones so it's not necessarily a small place but it these are very much you know I am russian you know I speak with the the that they're kind of like almost slight vocal fry that uh Yelena does like it's it's okay she probably does it you know probably the best of the four but it still cracks a lot yeah what a awkward way of making all the dialogue very awkward so Yelena pops up I have to say in that and she's got her vials and she's got one prepared to use meaning she is absolutely on board with something that I was thinking she should have been doing this whole time but I wasn't sure that the character was on board with it which is popping these vials in front of the widows to free them from the same prison that she was in not fucking days ago yeah um which is super viable that end yeah exactly and to that end when those widows dropped down into the building that you were in why not like use those vials on them throw one out and then blow it up and then get two or three or four of them get them to help you do it with the other ones to save them right now explosives or something like you don't need to explode them you just need to break no you pop them and throw I guess you gotta get close to them well no you can pop it and then throw it out it's like a grenade yeah yeah it because at the end they blow up because it's attached to the flashbang but well thanks remember literally the first one she presses a button that explodes at her face like it yeah but you still have to get close to them yes which they are very close to many widows and many of these scenes yeah like at least when they first dropped down like with they're like they got the gun at them throw it at them well these things are totally super resilient well there are still some rags you can press a button on them to release them yeah yeah you have to get close to them no you throw it you throw it and then you release the button okay so you press and then throw it but doesn't it so there won't be any left by the time it gets there because it's all plumped out yeah that's what I was thinking too because it goes out immediately when you press the button yeah you press the button it squirts and then if you throw it then the gas is left behind and the vial is just empty now very I don't understand why you guys think that this would be done as you press it wait for it all to come out and then you throw it I don't know why you know why you throw it on the way on the other way there if you throw it if you press it as you throw it the gas will be left behind and the glass now empty will just hit them why is that the case there's not enough because it's all released at once so where did you get that from isn't that how it happens in the first scene the when gelena gets freed doesn't I'll just flump out flump out and it's now that one's expended I mean it looks to be relatively quick but the sound effect is like so as long as you like press throw like so picture is in your hand you'll start the throw and press the button as it leaves your hand yeah I don't think yeah I don't I don't I don't think I would work oh well I think it's worth trying so yeah I guess maybe it's because well I I think it would almost certainly not work but because there you only have so many you know that you can't take the chance I guess and wasting them 14 yeah but you only need one that like one is all you need to get two people or three people yeah I don't know if you're underestimating the value here we help to cripple drakoff's organization you remove people who try to kill you and you add people to your team who are incredibly uh according to this movie talented and besides this is one scenario that you've managed to knock down we've got like seven other ones yeah the other ones yeah there's there's plenty of other scenarios where they're just like right there especially the person who was on the um on the ground who is gonna you mind controlled kill herself you just have gelena who's just not around right now I guess and if the roles were reversed gelena could just push up your freed now let's go get the rest or something or tell us something and there's additional solutions they've got an armory so they could use a attaching a flash bang but then they could also just forward roll in and among all of the the confusion and just activate them on the people who are coming through the ceiling but also like we know yeah getting close like widow breaks one of these at the end of the film she punches it hard enough to break it so you can break these vials by smashing them on the ground yeah but I just think I think that I think that's an insane inconsistency of the film because remember they strapped them to that flash bang and then there were magically a bunch that just weren't see I think that's the inconsistency yeah I think none should survive the flash bang not yeah that's what I'm saying well you said that what Fringy said was an inconsistency but it's not well with so the inconsistency is the flash bang not blowing them all up it should all blown up if it's glass then yeah yeah so I'm not inconsistent then I'm saying that smashing them is easy and you said that they weren't because later in the film we see that some of them survive but what we're saying is they shouldn't have survived they all yeah that's the inconsistency yeah um and then of course well even when when black widow takes them and like jumps off the river and everything and the whole button the bundles okay after she gets to shore should they be broken then I don't I don't think that's as significant as a flash bang I I think when you if you're falling into a river and you have all of them bundled together and you wash ashore I think that should certainly break a bunch of them if not I think a few of them yeah I do think it would I think that's I think it's really crazy that they're not broken from that I guess what I'm saying is I think the glass is weaker than it is stronger that's what I lean towards I I I lean towards that as well yeah you know what that just in that case just roll it and then shoot it right yeah yeah so there's just like a million solutions for this and they should be more than aware of this more than we are because they're like literal special agents oh you mean like like slide out the vial and then shoot it sure no but yeah that's what what what is you've got what it wasn't for so oh you mean like eight do you talk about the bundle of vials or just one one um I feel like so back again which scenario are we doing this one is this when they come through the ceiling well like opening when they're when they're fighting these people in the in the apartment in Budapest just use one so if that's that's me while while black while they're both very they so in theory they should both be very good marksmen in practice in the movie I don't know if if we're going to get caught on this I would rather just skip to the guaranteed examples and because then you also have if it's really dusty will you be able to see it with all the stuff in the air and will you be exposed long enough to safely shoot it if they're aiming their guns at you if we're gonna get caught on this I'd rather go to the guaranteed examples yeah yeah yeah because are definitely those ones where they just I'm showing one right now they are hand-to-hand combating yeah that's why you just so do they both so where I guess where are the vials right now where do they have them are they in like a backpack or a pocket or does it matter I don't think well I would I would I would think it would matter if I'm not saying it's not possible I'm saying it would depend on where she has the vials because the vials are not reachable like if if she thinks oh shit these vials are very very precious I need to wrap them in something or I need to put them in a thing and maybe that means she doesn't have like she definitely doesn't treat them as precious throughout the whole movie so oh yeah I you know they they they are they they're just sort of around yeah but like maybe well I mean yeah I'm saying it would be in character for to be prepping this that we're gonna we're gonna get close to these widows and we're gonna free them want to broke all their legs she was like prepping to do it to her so when these two get knocked down that is pulled up on the stream now's the time yeah yeah they should be she should have them ready to use because yeah like I can see how black widow maybe might not be as aware or have them handy but because it's her and she knows what they do she should be like hey if you're next to one like press this button and the red gas gets on them but that was that was out point it sounded like you were pushing back against that yeah it depends on where the setting was like when they first like here yes that's but I'd say that this is a different scenario than like another time yes sure but you put I'm sorry you push it back against this one just like a minute ago and no when they when they first come down in the the roof I thought I thought that was what you were referring to okay no you would because it was specific showed the streamer that you said well who has the vials and how how much are they keeping them secure I thought you were I thought you're referring to when they first come through the roof you already went over that one you said it was the moxman issue not who has I know I know I I'm I'm fine yeah I know we remember I introduced to the saying this is the guaranteed now we're talking about this different one yeah so that's how I introduced it should be using it here yeah but you push back against that we said that they should yeah I said they should be using it here and I was also like though it would depend on where they have it like maybe they don't have it but I think they should be using them here yeah it's it really sounded like you didn't think they should be using it here and then somewhere partway through it changed earlier I can understand why they might not have here they should be using it okay that's the important part here they should be using it excellent now the ones on the staircase and the ones wherever else I'm totally fine with them get into that armory grabbing a few flashbangs and prepping one vial per flashbang and throwing it at these people to not only confuse them with a bright light but to also release them from the mind control like with that grenade down the stairs yes but instead we toss a grenade at them instead of thinking at all because this is the thing if you wanted to argue to me she's not going to use a single vial because you need to keep them all that would be fine but the movie is clearly saying she's willing to use them she was about to on the dying widow but she was too late that's why at the end I was it was like it seemed insane to me that she would strap all of them to the flashbang and throw it at the end that is another problem that damages her character as far as I'm concerned so the other one there's a good example and this is the thing that kind of bothers me that I think would be really cool to see in this movie when they're um approaching that little pole is actually if you have a luke see there's a little um I guess you could call it a vent or whatever how cool would it be if Yelena ran up to the pole or Natasha did and this widow's run into order well we'd have to account for the guns but um she gets tackled from the person behind hiding behind the vent and then they they flumper in the face with the stuff you're like oh and it'd be like yeah and you add another character to the roster and you this is the movie they're slowly trying to de-convert all the black windows hello mauler um hello and maul totally fine so yeah just me oh well hopefully that came through I don't want to say it all again the point is it would be cool to see them what have you been saying you just like everyone like was silent I heard I heard that too yeah wait so who heard what I said I heard everything I did not hear you you I you caught out at when you said when Yelena ran to the vent I'll just do it again it's fine um so I didn't hear it yeah if if if she came over the rooftop and she could only see Yelena at the pole we as viewers would be like wait where's Natasha or vice versa and then from behind this little vent on the right if one of them tackled her and then you know put the juice in her face I'd be like we could we as an audience be like oh clever idea um and you could even make it more dramatic by having a get executed then by drake off through the like I said with how the chips could work but we'd have to re-account for how that would work with malina's yeah not malina Yelena's removal of one lots of things to fiddle around with here the point being Yelena has not been operating in this entire film with the goal of releasing these black widows when she should be and it fucks with it I agree with that I agree with that I mean I don't know how effective the shooting the vials would be depends on if the red gas is like in normal air pressure at room temperature is the red stuff a gas or is it still liquid if it's still liquid it has to be dispersed through like some sort of spray I guess I she punched it and it sprayed up and then it got them both like we see it detonated in a street in the outside and then in a room and every time it's gas I'm assuming it's always gas okay yeah so so it's basically compressed gas then oh so yeah what's the um what's the point of them kicking the vent to get away from like all the things you know like just yeah it would have made more sense to keep going through rooftop to rooftop instead of I don't know what their plan was with this thing on the vent and then kicking away from the vent because I would think oh shit like I'm gonna probably die because it seems to be pure luck here that she gets through the window and the other one is just nowhere to be the you know you'll you'll linda goes through the window black widow miraculously survived this fall which makes me wonder why did you take this crazy ride on the vents at all I mean it's nice but I guess the intention really was to crash through that window both of them that was the intention like that seems really stupid it really does the same it definitely relies on movie windows not windows windows where you smash into the window and either one it doesn't break because windows can be more durable yeah she um she smashes right through the wood as well like it's no problem yeah and also you have the wood of the window frame and that latches that hold it in place and the glass her face is going to be so cut up oh yeah but it's not she's totally fine they're all fine this movie's stupid then she lands on her feet and that shocked me not even up to like act three where it gets really bad catastrophic and yeah so that's why that was like um as soon as I saw it pull it out it was like so you just fucked up a whole bunch of shit we've already seen now because it's not even just the matter of him morally wanting to do it like these women need to be freed which is something Yelena would obviously feel because she's gone through the exact same thing um yeah it's incredibly useful every one of these widows being converted to your team is incredibly useful yeah absolutely oh yeah it's just frustrating to watch um and you might think ah finally we'll um have some peace and quiet now uh this this will really baby laugh what I saw it all of them do but I don't know this one especially so they're all people who um again chat enjoy this for you so they get to their bike which by the way Yelena makes clear is on the east side of the original building now the widows had the place surrounded so I guess they didn't disable Yelena's bike oh they didn't have anyone watching it or anything it's just like yeah okay find nobody's around nobody's around but does that make sense with this happening I'm gonna pause this because people in chat what do you think just did that what could possibly have just done that that was my thought as well it's like oh shit who threw that fucking car across the street so is that bad is the hulk gonna be making a guest star because what is possible is this rhino is he is he visiting from the amazing spider man the way he comes and flying it was like already in the air for like two seconds yeah I feel like everybody's just gonna guess the hulk like what the fuck else could this be so this is your answer it's an apc that I I need to point out look what it just did to that fucking wall when it came around the corner look at that oh my god it went through the stone building I think the best part is how it pauses yeah just pauses before I just danced there yeah so yeah well in fairness it lets them you know it doesn't it wants a fair race it doesn't want to just run them over yeah that means also I think there's like a continuity error here I think the positioning of the thing is different when it starts driving again so I just want to I just want to reiterate this is the same organization that I thought it was too too unsubtle to to shoot somebody in the streets of wherever that was the beginning at the beginning no that was just being dumb oh well I was gonna say that's the best defense you could make it's not a good defense but it doesn't even fucking make sense now they're willing to crash an apc through the entire city yeah because if that was yeah if that was the case and they would have special super silent pistols that were almost maybe even like air guns that shot darts or that shot a bullet eat like the one from out of your solid the little air gun that you have to charge with every shot um and you know what though I'm pretty sure that Hungary and Ross and NATO don't care about a giant fucking tag rolling through the streets chasing a black widow well yeah if if they got any uh cameras which there'd be many of they'd be like who who are they chasing who's on the but oh and by the way you wouldn't need Ross to fucking ID her everyone knows who this is they'd be like that's black fucking widow what the hell they relied that on catching bucky in civil war because someone's like oh shit the most wanted man of the world and he's over there getting posted like black winners getting chased by an apc and then he's going this is why we need the stakovi accords this bullshit right here yeah you can't walk around as like a movie star or a famous football player without being recognized imagine the savior multiple multiple time saviors of the world youtubers get recognized yeah and so the first thought I had with this is running was like man all they do is turn a corner and the apc is fucked like it's going to take a while to be able to catch up some if they're tight corners especially and then um you know the film is generous enough should I say to provide one but it does something that is just it reminds me a man of steel what are you doing you're not supposed to do this so they turn a corner I have to see this see that now maybe is there any room to say that this is a bad guy van I would say that it would be unreasonable to assume that it this looks like just looks like an average guy he's in a kelemann sphere it puts it's moon language and he's just going where was he going where was he going is a fantastic question trying to drive in that little thing as well just gonna get like slam on the brakes but there was a building in front of him anyway and like what was it were you trying to kill yourself and got surprised what's going on here damn it I was just trying to kill myself awesome appears into his passenger seat and is like hey if you don't drive into this wall I'm gonna melt you so they turn meaning and they turn in such a way that basically if you remove the van from the scene why the turn if they remove this van from the scene the scene plays out all the same they can dodge the apc by going down a very narrow turn narrow hallway like okay it's like a video game it's like you'll see the big monster later he can't chase you to the little hole but they put the van here and so it almost looks as though our heroes sort of lead the apc into fucking annihilating the van it just smashes right through and it's gone I don't know what they could have done that's the thing I think that was the van being in the wrong place at the wrong time there's a correct thought to have right so what are we missing what do you think is missing the acknowledgement of the heroes that somebody just got fucking framed along the side of an apc yeah I don't blame them we're running away from something trying to kill them and then someone else happens to get caught in the crossfire but you need to have them be like oh no that sucks someone just died in the middle of all this but they don't give a fuck yeah that's just that is a matter of steel thing just a difference to all this chaos yeah and they're plowing down I mean think about all the anyone else in that alley any of those other cars that got smushed it's surprisingly common and you know for a fact that Zach tried to retroactively fix it like he didn't realize what he had done until everyone started complaining about it and so in bvs his opening scene is like I'm sorry I care people dying is bad sorry and then it's like you know you have an apc chasing you that can track you to some degree because it did find you and you're like let's go into this busy street full of these soft squishy cars well you know what if whatever happens happens oh the way that they ride up that car is so bullshit it's bullshit there's an invisible ramp it just gets them up it's like video game stairs that look like stairs but they're actually just a flat incline yeah gta physics right there yeah you're lying to us movie let's see right yeah believe you yeah you'd hit it and die like what would actually happen in real life yeah you fly off the motorcycle because the motorcycle stops on that bumper and you keep going see she's coming at it so if you lift up the front like do a wheelie we'll have a lot more patience for you but if you go straight on look starts lifting up she is a literal invisible ramp just an invisible ramp which is super useful movies and I hope you're gonna land on something that's you know not gonna instantly kill you or flip you or throw you off the bike lucky for you right you fall off the bike yeah or if you land on a vehicle which are not flat but why don't you just like full pelt into it smashed forward through the wind screen through the back winds like back screen it just like is a mangled corpse on the other side that are like yep that's what happened I totally imagine that you ever play a gta 4 and you like hit a car really hard you fly through the window you're like half a mile so then there's this incredibly lucky train that they get in front of but our black widow can't so she misses all of his shots except one bullet just clips the back wheel it's so funny because I didn't know this happened until I looked at it in slow mo which makes them drift and slam again plot armor I slamming into this yeah over they go she looked at her leg up that was good I guess you saw it I guess the stunt woman saw it go over and then they landed on a car which is nice and bouncy whatever and then onto the floor man you're you're dead again sorry yeah I think depending on how far I guess it depends on how far they went down it's really gonna hit I think is the main it's gonna hurt I don't think that'll kill you but it'll it'll hurt you could kill you you land on it could you're dead it could but I'm okay with them surviving but I just show them being busted up that's the thing so actually you know what no because the problem for me is like the the number of times that you keep surviving at some point you cross the threshold for me of like not dead like you've taken two damage you're dead it's not they need to show the damage being taken that's the thing like if like the plot armor is insane but at least like try and fool me you know like show them limping or like maybe god forbid ruin their makeup a little bit right you're judging it in isolation as your point like in terms of if they're at full health oh yeah yeah like yeah if they went over the top and then landed on the the hood I'm like yeah I think you you'll live I have no problem with surviving that but she's Christ like limp or something scar what I'm trying to talk about is almost the idea of like how many times can you survive these falls before I just say no you're dead now you were on new life this is like life too oh yeah this is yeah like if you if you survive one thing miraculously I'm like and I'll roll my eyes and I'll be like I would argue we are on an additional life because she died when she fell down that um that's what I'm saying yeah yeah and so she's died by that logic she's died many times if she's on a refreshed health bar then uh yeah there's probably wouldn't I would if someone's to show me the fall and be like did they die or live I'd be like probably live yeah I probably lived but they're hurt yeah oh yeah I was like it's pretty lucky didn't fall on your head like that's yes well the part that abuses me is that they immediately get a pull a gun on a guy go get out of the car get out of the car like nothing just happened like they just took a step off of a staircase but they have to and they filmed on those actors probably needed a minute to like recover from that well like true but the editor the editor knew that we couldn't wait because the train is small or at least it you can't tell from these fucking angles um but they need to get the fuck out of there because they're about to get shot by the widow again and if they take too long then we'll just be like where the fuck is the widow why is it not killing them there's a cut every second yeah I know she had her finger on the trigger when she was pointing at a guy I completely miss that tumble because as you went through there on frame by frame like that's like less than 10 frames and some of those cuts those are really really short cuts so much she shoots them and misses again through the she misses somehow that car is not bulletproof well they both they both did a sort of duck rags and if you do that kind of that's like just like Alma I guess it's a BMW it's I remember I watched a video from FPS rush away he was like showing just how bullets can penetrate cars very easily they're like you know the movies don't go they will penetrate them lengthwise yeah yeah yeah uh the the the engine block is bullet resistant it can stop a bullet can can stop a bullet anything else no the doors not though those things are not designed to be bulletproof they're designed to keep you alive in a car crash that is way different than a bullet in modern warfare too you'll know that there are certain things you can just shoot through this cars would be one of them is another example of things just firing and then it's like put your hands above your head Alma you'll be fine yeah you're fucked you're dead you are dead you don't even for the passenger seat you're dead because that's going through and you're dying just you're just dying yeah it's going through the sides it's well that's the thing they showed the bullets going through the back window and gets broken by the way the windshield's fine still but well the windows on the right side are still up the bullets I guess were stopped by the glass that is weird yeah I remember someone said also I didn't notice are they driving stick that happened in a movie was it it might have been this it might have no it was Cruella that was it was yeah she was driving that old car and she'd never driven before and I'm like wow a manual on your first try interesting get a clutch clutch down in the first time was incredibly difficult yeah really difficult you have no idea what you're doing you're either right though she fires a whole bunch of bullets it's that back window and then nothing nothing else the bullets don't go anywhere else they just disappear well no here's the thing Mahler the bullet has taken out the glass it's done its job they've canceled each other you know it's weird bullets only do their job after they're fired nice well the missing part is that they didn't you don't realize this is that they actually hijacked Nick Fury's SUV so that's why they're going in a way yeah bulletproof seats and bulletproof windows yeah bulletproof everything bulletproof fury something incredibly stupid which is grabbing the wheel oh whoa whoa whoa so I've got I've got to think that this really pisses me off and then it pisses me off more because I don't drive and I know that this is a thing okay when um so to set this up right Natasha it's got a one track mind of I gotta just drive and we gotta try and avoid this person's trying to shoot me Yelena is like I'm really smart and I've got an idea and that idea is to open the dry was it the drivers or the passengers door I can't remember right passenger door it was her door so open the passenger door flip the car 180 hit a pole to knock the door off to send the door into the bike behind them flip the car back around and carry on driving now if anyone in chat thinks that's ridiculous you're stupid correct Yelena is a genius now you might think that on its own is pretty stupid like that's insane by the way someone said why not just hit the brakes like that's a way more a safe idea to slam I've got another one for you why not use the gun that you had in the last scene no okay well they must have taken the guns off the window that died too otherwise I'll be fucking stupid um she had two she had two pistols you might want oh remember four bullets on a collarbone you don't want to grab them that's true that's right you got four yeah so four freebies um yeah so that's Yelena's plan now it's stupid enough on its own it would never work in terms of the likelihood is fucking insane she doesn't tell Scarlett Johansson this plan yeah she simply does it so let us watch her engage I think calling it a plan is already being in credit this is like a hopeful wish yeah um the reason I hate this is someone who is driving if you suddenly yank the wheel you fuck everything up you've got to get the the the pedals the wheel your brain your intentions everything has to be in the same track you can't just like randomly have one of them do whatever it wants and then it somehow works out so Natasha has no fucking clue you're not going to magically start drifting you're just going to turn left extremely sharply and crash into the wall yeah you're going to crash into the wall or you're going to flip over this spin is perfect like yeah do you understand how hard this is to do when you actually know you're doing it well because the thing that Natasha would have to do is she would have to take off the accelerator and go into reverse at the same time without being the person who turned the wheel by the way this isn't this is an automatic transmission car almost certainly you can't do that you need to still change no you need to change your you need to switch into reverse um and you need to know that but if you're but here's the thing when you switch to reverse you can't they're like they're not on the same i don't have to explain it like you can't go and reverse the same way you can go and drive like you're not going to be able to it's not like a train that can do back and forth like identically you'd have to like shift it into reverse you probably have to while you're driving somehow switch uh hit the hit the clutch or or the brake not a clutch but but but you but you'd have to hit the you'd have to hit the brakes switch to neutral uh do like a crazy spin with a brake to be able to do that sort of 180 and then you'd have to hit the brake again uh switch back to reverse and i i don't know the mechanics of automatic yeah your handbrake yeah that might work manual because it's like this is if you were 100 in control like it as a stunt driver and you knew what you're going to do and you were the only one controlling not somebody like half-acidly turning for you in the passenger seat this would still be like a one in ten thousand tries yeah it's gonna as someone in the chat said this will probably just shatter your gearbox if you do this all of a sudden dropping to reverse when your engines and gears are like oh yeah we're going like 70 kilometers per hour yeah then you're gonna just that's gonna destroy your car yeah the car all that how you to do that because the car's like no you can't do that no but but so what actually happened in the scene is you lain and crashed and killed them both they crashed into that wall but instead what happens is that yeah she flips instead she flips it yeah flips it and then she opens her door and that lines up perfectly with a signpost they go and pass that breaks the door off which fine you know what you could have just done that by driving to what you could have you just shot her with bullet and that breaks off and it directly it bounces off a building and then hits the woman on the motorcycle and this is assuming that it gets ripped off and it doesn't just bend it doesn't chop her head off or like hit the ground or not hit the bike then they do the drift flip back re-drift again back and keep going yeah and I'm I'm not convinced that that would knock the door off I think that would probably bend it forwards and then there would still be a sign yeah I'm not sure about that I don't know yeah and to top everything off this is in a very narrow European metropolitan area with tons of parked cars too so you've got there was a bunch of parked cars back there though blocking up there wasn't an APC to run them over in a spectacular fact funny you say that right because you'd think everything's all clear now but it looks like the boss music is coming back up oh dear um and yeah so just trying to get anywhere the APC decides it's back on the road and it's coming to get them again yeah and then it feels like it's sort of just standard car chase they're both moving forward but then good old taskie Masty is like I'm gonna fucking get my bow and you're like oh jeez it's funny because um the intro again you're just like how is this remaining a secret they even have choir for this by the way I don't know my brain just like caught up with all the stupid that was happening why does the door hit that pole and then fly backwards just uh that doesn't make me backwards yeah like oh it should just fall on the ground why would it fly the other way yeah it's not gonna bounce and then fly back absolutely right it would not fly I think we I got fooled for a second you're right when you open the door and you hit the pole the pole it was it will break off but it would just fall down or alternatively it was slowed down but going the same way as the car but what happened here is that it hit the pole and then it flew in the other direction to oh yeah that's how physics works it's like it's like they want us to think it springs or something yeah it wouldn't it would just fall down yeah it will probably just wrap around the pole or it will just they'll just smack it it might bounce back a little look it flies yeah they want us to think that if you ignore the car for a moment they want us to think the door flew into the pole and bounced back off it in the other direction like at full speed that's what they want us to think happened that door is still flat as can be it's not it doesn't have a huge shape that door should be in the shape of a v we're at i didn't even think of that like i didn't even oh it's cool the layers of stupid if anything it's more likely that it keeps flying forward either the pole breaks and it just keeps going it's more likely to keep going with the car yeah if we're gonna say it will tear it off the hinges of the car it's still going to be going forward that because it'll have dragged forward until it breaks off it's not even just momentum i'm saying like the connection of the hinges will drag it before they break yes that's true yeah yeah assuming it even comes off and it'll keep flying forwards because look at this you you see where it hits the door on like the far left of the door yeah so if it comes off at the hinges then it'll just keep going forward and just spinning yeah how many issues is that in this like 20 second sequence 15 16 issues also now the glass breaks it's something like that um so anyway chat you're in for another treat here it comes yeah uh oh oh yeah so we got lost our task pastor yeah he's like i'm gonna fucking send another thing at you oh we got a cool little combat strategy compatibility 100% oh very good i don't know what that really means that's good right that something's gonna happen that makes no fucking sense but it'll work i was gonna say we're getting you could call it an aquaman moment again at least this one's a little bit more clear um and i will say i'm gonna mention this sorry like the but when he pulls out the bow oh where does the string but i'm curious as to the CGI nanotech oh i was i was like where did they animate the string coming out of when he pulls it back i was just curious what you know i'll i'll have a look for you because that could be amusing have a look i'm curious what they uh how they make the bow work nanotech nanomachine song give me a second apparently a little bit too far be okay here he is oh all right a frame by frame so it's all flumping up and down at the same time shoots out oh it's literally a frame it just appears oh oh yeah oh the string just appears movie magic everyone like it extends like the string is always in it and so when it extends it pulls out it pulls the bow tight yeah exactly that's what i was thinking you could you could fold it up and just have the string uh some like pullies pullies just pull the string tight in a frame it's all of a sudden it's there that's great yeah just the hell did you get an apc out of nowhere it's a drake of pc okay so as you guys may be remembering right now oh boy these things they go into cars and they explode them well what else can we expect to happen so natasha in fairness to the movie this is what i find funny she's like put your seatbelt on so if the movie is telling you they're taking safety precautions can you imagine what we're about to see like i mean i know what's about to happen yeah quick quick thing before you go does he pop out of the top with the arrow with him where does the arrow come from i think he pulls it out from his backpack yeah oh he's got a quicker of i guess i guess so we can figure i find that more forgivable than the nanotech bow appearing in his hands oh so i got another another cognitive backcourt just got absolutely wrecked by that apc yeah look at the carnage behind him the apc don't give a fuck yeah imagine all the wailing and pain that's happening back there oh man i wonder where the widow is so i'm just i'm just keeping an eye here because you guys know what happens next that's what we can see in front of the car right now just a clear oh fuck i didn't even know nothing at all nothing at all nothing at all so anyway there's the there's the arrow chat oof oof all right i'm gonna play this bit with sound because it's pretty funny i might have to pull us halfway through though so if the car is getting blowed up from the bottom from the beneath instead of through or in just blow them up you should know this is only mildly affected from last time you should know that this won't do shit i've learned this lessons yeah wait it flies back onto the how does it fly back yeah oh my god oh my god now where those stairs come from where were those stairs they weren't in front they were nowhere to be found and also they're dead they're dead well for some reason these explosions are all propellant they don't seem to damage anything they just push things they don't destroy the car that is a strong car yeah the car is just not really bothered by that you look at the bottom of the car and it doesn't even look like it's been hit by an explosion do these cars inexplicably stop the apc when nothing else would why would they stop the apc apc just broke yeah i know what you mean it does stop the apc enough for the wait does we were gonna just cut away slides the bmw off the hood yeah look like look how clear it is in front of them there's nothing is he the bomb in the car it's like how is the car looking like that it's pretty good German engineering right look hey bmw's man bmw's they're just yeah you know it's how you notice that stairway gets to be like three times as wide second shot as well i like as well look at how clear look at how busy this place is but there's nobody on the stairs nah someone's on those stairs someone's getting splashed and no one and nobody is in front of the stairs to get hit by the because if this happens you're not going to move out of the way because you hear this noise and you're like what's that and as you're trying to be as your brains trying to find out what this weird noise is you all of a sudden have a car careening towards you right so you're dumb luck nobody gets greased there's no stairs but then there were two cars and then suddenly there's the end of the road and stairs and remember if there were no like entrance to a subway and it was just normal road taskmaster's got him dead to rights uh whole another thing i'm just thinking off uh what does bow even be able to outpace the cars the speed they're going yeah yeah because they're all going the same speed of momentum yeah okay okay i was just wondering if that if that works pull it out of a 60 mile an hour car your bullet will be going its speed plus 60 miles an hour plus okay yeah my message but what's weird here too is that i was saying i think taskmaster he's done a passable job even though by the way this should be considered a horrific failure by the organization yes this must mention in destruction like y'all are assassins and you are called the biggest scene in the name only and um but luckily if he's in a hurry he'll just run down there catch him real quick shoot him while they're in the car nice and easy um nothing to it but instead he um and he throws the shield yeah he gives chase uh and he tosses his shield and it fucking embeds itself in a steel uh i guess it's just like a column um pretty amazing and uh this is a theme that is designed to hold up an empty room underneath a city those are what we call looks like a funny face just look at all the the extras and how like zero fucks they give because of the explosion they're like oh like uh whatever somebody's been walking toward the car they don't care at all go back to a couple scenes because oh no i think that was the reflection of the light because i thought that the white streak down the middle of the orange like um escalator things was supposed to be like the shield scraping the paint off but i think it was just the light reflecting the right way could the other ones were like that there were several people including a super chat point i was like isn't it like a plot hole that she dies from falling at that game now and it's like guys like that she's not supposed to be able to survive this yeah she just keeps doing it and uh yeah worst of all is like we finally have a repercussion you're like oh wait what is it it's like yelena's arm is bleeding but then they put a thing on it it's fine right oh he's slowly walking instead of sprinting so here's the thing if he's sprinting after me i'm terrified if he's slowly walking i'm saying thank god he's doing yeah we got a chance we got a chance also he leaves his shield he doesn't give his shield the first time that he met he knows they have a gun or at least he should assume that they do he his life is saved the first time they meet because he uses his shield to block bullets and he just doesn't yeah he just leaves it he doesn't take it jumps in and what's crazy to me is that they had very limited time and she was bleeding to the point where it's leaving this whole trail they managed to make her bleed up to that little vent to convince him that that's where they went and then all in all the time they took to move over to the other vent climb up into it you know awkwardly and then cover it up not a drop was was dropped also look at how casually this metal grate to the side super strong that's the thing like you can't do that that's a solid piece of like pig iron or something i don't know so they went up here now you might be thinking it would make sense if they went up here just as an option right but they make it a lot worse they tell us that this is actually a hidey hole that natasha and clint made back in the day literally like a decade ago this specific place yep oh that should be checking that well you know knows about it right they just happened to fucking all of this shit ended them in a place where they also had a hidey hole that they used before she's like damn it's lucky a lot of stuff happens in Budapest um and yeah it was proof that this is a little little safety hidey hole thing they spent apparently two days in he shows a couple little games they've played now fringy knows about this um it'll be funny to see if maybe i just misunderstand the game of noughts and crosses all tic-tac-toe in some way but does anyone spot anything strange about this that's it's a double that's a double win you got a double yeah can't even get tic-tac-toe right tic-tac-toe is stupid but when you have like so that whoever was playing circles was actually dumb yes i don't know how this happened i don't know how someone could be this stupid so there's somebody won and then can they continue playing and they won again um anyway you run this right i'm got i've got it on screen okay so we're going to pretend to be the circle player i'm going to start in the middle because that's a pretty good place to be then the crosses player is like okay i'm going to go bottom left and then you as the circle player it's like i guess i'll go bottom right right nearly got it this crosses player goes here so in this scenario i have to go here or i'm retarded but they didn't um somehow they decided to go for one of these and then the crosses player was like i better go here and cross got really cocky and sickle was like i'll go here and then cross was like i'll go here i win but then i double win bitch um you have to go back because yeah you're gonna have to go back is this even possible to do well so i'm gonna run another scenario now if if x crosses goes first and decides i'm gonna go top left circles like middle and then crosses like uh i guess i'll go top right no reason not to circle has to go here now but they didn't and if x went here circle would have to go here but they didn't so cross can't go any fucking where else so circle kills themselves is this possible okay so the circles does that circles in the middle which is almost certainly means that circle went first no circle had to go second but that's my second point because there's more crosses so circle so so x went first didn't take middle big mistake you always take middle yeah and so okay let's do the bottom left now circle takes let's say circle takes middle here x would have to go here i'm trying to play this out in a way that x could well yeah that's what i'm doing on screen for and obviously it's more useful if i do it because chat can see it as well okay i've i've done it okay i've done it but i i have to play like a crazy person almost well yeah i did it so the first one i did i did it too but it makes no sense like there's just no reason anybody would play the game this way yes i i was like x is really cocky because they set up two double x's saving the corner piece for the double win because x knew that zero or the o's was an idiot and just to flex got the double win point being who it um maybe an ape did this because like they don't understand the game it's maybe maybe a dead ape like i'm trying to come up with a reason for why they would have drawn how do you fuck this up it's a set you drew knots and crosses on there just go and fucking play a normal game of it did someone seriously not know what it is and someone said you just put and say hey y'all just play a couple games of tic-tac-toe it doesn't matter who wins but just just play and and then that'll be just like the thing that's what i do if i was the director and that would be a cool little fun fact for the movie we got jonathan adams who was our camera guy and brennan stevensson who was one of the sound dudes and they played tic-tac-toe and that's how we got the prop hey i love it you just you went on the sound he was like fucking i don't know what is what is this game it's like you just draw knots and crosses until you get three in a row and he goes uh sure that's like three three yeah they'll do okay so so we've done the tic-tac-toe thing that's dumb now we gotta move on to hang man i haven't actually looked at these because i figured there's just so many options that that's a long word too and it's in russian i just can't believe they couldn't get tic-tac-toe right it blows my mind the game's so simple it's like stupid how do you fuck that i i know we're talking about the really important stuff about this movie like tic-tac but our tic-tac-toe but uh i just want to point out i i put in the chat um the lead stunt double for test masker was andy lister a guy so i find that a little cheap like i know it's supposed to be a big reveal or whatever and they designed the costume to kind of hide any sort of curves that uh uh olgo would have had but i find it pretty pretty cheap that they literally have a guy in a suit until it's actually revealed not to be a guy i don't know i find that a little a little annoying personally i mean yeah this is saying that the most experienced tic-tac-toe players put the first x in a corner rags did not care about anything you just said okay listen there's one two three four five there's like five there's eight that's pretty good it's pretty good i was just focused i was looking at tic-tac-toe stuff i was i was researching what did you find but i agree with i have that much confidence in him to make correct statements to what you find i found that tic-tac-toe was a solved game what's the same week or is unless a player makes just a stupid mistake every game will end in a draw yeah yeah that makes sense or in this case a double win and i guess there was a game called chopsticks where you have um a chopsticks game and that one is it's a hand game for oh that's the where you have your fingers and you press people's fingers and then you add and take away numbers based on the fingers you guys know what i'm talking about yeah i think so and whoever whoever starts loses or something that's a game where the second person will always win unless someone makes a dumb mistake so luckily these things don't matter too much when two dumb kids are playing it but that's one of those that's one of those um yeah i just that's right chat i'm talking about the real issues here i think it's hilarious that they failed tic-tac-toe uh i interesting world building where it was like a whole wall full of tic-tac-toe and it's all draws because of the player's super competent at it and it's just every single draw they had a hangman on there too i'm wondering if that's wrong as well but i don't necessarily want to spend time we uh just like we mentioned with falcon and soldier with the battleship games like these are opportunities for you writers instead of just lupin them out and then getting some idiot on the set to be like oh it was like like three squares or chicken i don't really know how to do this i've done like four games in a row where they were all draws and then it stops because both of the people realized oh that's right we're like black widows or we're super smart so like why are we even doing this over it we it's gonna end the same way every single time let's do something else and then it's all hangman they're out because that's like a guessing game that's just funny uh looking at prop design and set design and how much you can communicate through that like i'm uh currently you're editing a video and and i'm looking at the 1997 movie gotica and they've got a ton of great visual storytelling in their sets like there's a there's an exercise kind of like a gravity test machine that looks like the vitruvian man you know da Vinci you know it's got a lot of a lot of history there there's a uh in one of the apartments they have a spiral staircase that looks like a dna helix and the whole movie is about genetics so there's like a lot of really great visual storytelling through the set design and and then we have this movie which can't get tic-tac-toe right instead they treated it like how to tell me was oh treated the picture frames in the background just keep the spoons there like no one's gonna notice man that's odd okay and maybe the the director would say that they're like no the tic-tac-toe game is indicative of the attitudes you have to read into it to understand it i'm not going to give you the answer it's interpretive so then we get this story i killed drakoff's daughter because i knew it would be a surefire way of killing drakoff the huge reveal the red in her ledger like oh she's very guilt ridden about it um which i'm actually fine with a lot of people aren't uh i think in isolation that is fine that the big thing or one of the many things in her history that she hates is that she killed little girl in order to defect her shield just sort of you know get what she wanted which was away from black widow people that she she would do that i feel like that works well enough yeah she was she was a bit more a bit more ruthless back then uh willing to you know say it was worth it that that one girl died um and maybe now you know she's different now she's way less well i i say that this current black widow was way less um willing to have innocent people die but that's clearly not the fucking case is it so yeah and it's something she regretted immediately probably um and it was almost like a quick grab to just get what she wanted and uh obviously the conversation with loki like it's something she has immense regret for and considered shameful and it's like yeah yeah okay that's fine with me um knowing that's what it means drakoff's daughter that's fine with me we've still got south paulo and the hospital fire like these are things that apparently we'll never know now that's okay with me i like a little bit of a little bit of flavor in that text that we could imagine what they might refer to my issues with the drakoff's daughter stuff will come later i imagine but let me get a really stupid scene they go into like a gas station and they just talk about the avengers her being black widow how she's on the front cover of magazines how she kills people all the time and how they're in a situation of trying to stop drakoff i guess in front of a fucking clerk who's just listening to all of this he's like literally half a meter away he's just he's he's just sitting right with them like he's a part of the conversation it's bizarre how they shot it like i expected him the joke to be uh like to say he like oh will it be that cash or check or something like that paper or plastic like they're having this big conversation and he just this is like i just i'm gonna sell things and it's it's retarded um how do you don't notice this the civil war is the one that you always want to compare to uh that line where she's like making it so that the whole world is aware of bucky bonds doesn't guarantee you can capture my guarantees that we would have meaning like um the way zemo was going to get to him is by making it so that everybody wanted to find him and the task force would then get him because it's inevitable that he would be found if he does any sort of unless he would live in the fucking woods um in this film they don't give a fuck it's like this is black widow say she nobody really knows who she is you know yeah like when she's on those magazine covers everyone goes like who's that yeah man it's like is there an attempt that he's not paying attention because he's watching football on the telly or something you can't not hear it i know that's what it's it's the right no matter how you spin it doesn't matter how you spin it he's like he's standing right there like she could give him a hug like yo what's up black widow wanna call police maybe no okay i don't know how anybody wouldn't be aware of the team of heroes that fight to save the world i don't know how to say you wouldn't know who these people well i mean homecoming establishes that they're all like marketed and they have action figures and masks and the tool in school would it would be a part of that yeah it's i think of the uh the will smith song where he talks about how uh countries who can't even speak english scream his name like you know once you get past a certain uh celebrity it's it really traverse transcends borders like pretty much a good you know i i'll say a uh a good like double digit number percentage or even a majority of people in the world would probably be avengers so you'd be pretty people in chat saying maybe he doesn't know english it doesn't fucking matter they didn't know in worldwide in all the languages might not know english yeah what do you mean he doesn't need to know english yeah they probably still call black widow an iron man and whatever in every language because that's their name like people who don't know english know who the president of the united states is people don't know english know who tom cruises if you're a big fucking celebrity you're known people know who you look that we look how will you look i clearly don't know english and yeah so we get some answers in here the this scene probably does a lot more damage than anybody would have suspected it does so quick um this thing natasha asks is wait how did drakov manage to escape my radar this whole time and uh yelena is like well he wouldn't want to kill you because then the avengers would come after him so there you go explanation forgetting of course that natasha broke away from drakov probably somewhere in between 2005 and 2010 and the avengers started in 2012 so that doesn't make sense he would have tried to kill her in all that time that reasoning doesn't hold up and it's interesting because they probably could have gone away with her just saying like why didn't drakov try to kill you and it's like probably would have I don't know caused too much fucking trouble maybe not worth it maybe it was better to make you think that you'd killed him and that he could just keep an eye on you some something or anything you might not even maybe just don't ask the question now that they've said he only did it because he wanted to avoid pissing off the avengers it's like there was a whole set of years where they didn't even exist so he just created a plot hole nice good job yeah um rex already mentioned it with the whole magazines but in the same scene they talk about how she's undercover of magazines even yeah while they're in front of the guy it's like people would know who this is uh yeah so then she's like how come you didn't you know look into me how come you didn't care and uh the person writing natasha really cares about a character so they had her say oh I figured you were fine so okay that oh yeah it's not not the greatest of excuses kind of creates major issues because this this lady's super important to natasha but apparently she didn't give a fuck and um you know you have to account for that and she's just like I figured you got out I figured you were fine and then her little response is like why didn't you like call to check why didn't you give a single shit and then um I think Natasha like gets flustered and says uh I thought you didn't want to speak to me these things don't matter when you're trying to find out whether or not the people you love are alive yeah um it's pathetic on behalf of the writer but the problem is you can't do anything if you were mandated to create this character and you have like what is the dialogue of this scene if you're trying to fix it it's like I don't know you have to create a small excuse it's not going to be here it's going to be somewhere else you have to create an excuse for why Natasha ignored Elena this whole time and I don't think you can I am here hello so I want to make a point about this scene this is when they finally kind of discussed their plan to take down Draykov and um we all know the famous uh this was fun scene at the end uh I think that's a call back to this scene where it's like huh it could be fun yeah I think it could be and I I get the call back but it's so loose that I think they needed to call it back twice to kind of keep it alive throughout the story like maybe like you know half an hour from this point in the middle of action they have like a breather and like you know is this still fun or something like that kind of like if they wanted to keep that sort of you know uh reference going but as it is it just becomes a total meme at the end of the movie because they didn't really the call back where it really wasn't strong enough but uh maybe if they'd done it a couple times that it might have been alive enough perhaps it could be meaningful despite the horrible CGI someone said how about saying I thought you were dead um I still don't think that fixes it and that's what they end up saying for Melina they say that they thought Melina was dead they didn't look into it they just they thought she was dead they thought Draykov was dead they thought the red room was destroyed this pathetic top Palpatine was dead you can't keep relying on especially Natasha Romanov someone who is very careful and intelligent it's like I just figured it you know figured all this stuff was happening the way that I would like it to be Natasha kind of forgot about the red room her sister didn't forget about it she figured they were destroyed yeah you know she's a smart smart lady so I'm bummed out but uh I have to hop off here I was hoping to get to the third act because the third act is where the you know as a great Anakin scour said this is where the fun is but uh I'm gonna have to hop off here and unless your guys are still gonna be around in like four or five hours I probably won't be able to jump on until the end I'll put a hard maybe on that okay anyway I guess I gotta I gotta run but it was been a ton of fun thanks for having me on absolutely we'll catch you around catch you around man hello you man so they have a little conversation about what they're gonna do next Natasha mentions that her mother gave her up and that's why she never like sold her out or anything which is not good enough for me um if she got that information from Draykov then why wouldn't you just assume it's a fucking lie and if you didn't get it from Draykov is like where would you got it from and did you was does that is that a thing that happened she went out and found her but then that can't make sense because of the information we get later about what happened to her mom for real so what the fuck basically she has a birth family that she said her mom ditched her in a street so she never went to see her but if that information comes from being a black widow and they're supposed to be women that are all uh from you know came from girls who were thrown on the street and stuff then that means she must have trusted that that was true about her mother and she never looked into it really hmm that doesn't sound good enough to me no you don't think she would check that shit out if that's real but alas she did alas indeed um so yeah the the the plan just becomes we're gonna beat Draykov together this is gonna be great um i suppose it's someone in chat wanted me to mention that they have the pose line i don't know what to say about it she's like lol Natasha you do poses and Natasha's like shut up yeah let me do it again and again and again and then at the end she does a pose go ahead didn't they make the didn't they make the posing joke in another movie oh probably am i thinking of a different marvel product who knows yeah just felt really ham-fisted oh you're talking about hero landings in Deadpool you're talking about someone else uh maybe actually i don't know they definitely did it in Deadpool in the first one yeah yeah Deadpool yeah um yeah the payoff for it is that Yelena does one near the end of the movie and it's like haha everyone's doing them funny um and then yeah they're in the car and it was really baffling to me because um this is where Yelena's basically like showing off her vest which has all the pockets in it she's really happy with it because it has so many pockets and it's just like this is kind of weird these sobs and she's like look it's the first thing i've gotten to buy it's like the first choice i've made and i'm just reminded i'm like oh geez yeah it's true it's you are not a person that gives off that impression you see it entirely well adjusted which aside from the mind control would be hard to believe like if you were just an assassin your whole life you know mm-hmm like you're not going to be able to get social cues as accurately as a normal person in normal situations are but she's totally normal um yeah this is a huge missed opportunity i would say a lot of those mm-hmm a lot of those so then the handler gets them a helicopter yeah like that i just have a helicopter i guess he flew it here oh is this the CGI forest scene uh i think that was a little bit when he gave her the uh the mail yeah yeah that was by the trailer i think yeah and he's like you know Ross is fucking getting in the way of stuff but it's fine because ah you know you would you would you very um strange she just does all this shit for her we never really see i guess i guess she pays him a lot that must be a must be a really good customer um you may be someone just said how does she pay him well i guess shield don't have access or the government don't have access to all of her accounts to freeze them she must have some bonus evil person accounts or whatever super secret ones anyway they have a helicopter now pretty useful um there's time to go and get a laxie now you may be wondering why and it's specifically because they think he knows where the red room is the red room that constantly moves okay so yeah i'll definitely admit uh my uh my expectations were subverted when i learned about what the red room was yes all right we'll get there well she she says it in the film it constantly moves and already up to this point yeah but what i but what i thought was like which room is the like which place is the red room shifted not like the red room itself as a singular thing was mobile i thought it was like there was a large series of the red room could be over here and then it gets moved and then they set up shop over here or then it goes maybe maybe it's over here like it cycles between all kinds of different points um or something like that not that it was a physical thing that moved which that's not unreasonable at all i just that's just not what my mind went to first yeah of course the red room is just the name of the fortress if you want to call it that or floating building sky fortress yeah that no one noticed ever makes you wonder how did he get this technology did they ever say that how did he get this technology how did he get these people like what he's rich yeah oh oh okay totally makes sense he's very rich nobody know about it yeah so they're gonna go get a laxie and just hope that a laxie has the answer to get into the red room pretty flimsy feels like there's gonna be way better options i feel like he wouldn't know but that's okay yeah i feel like there's no fucking way he would know um so the plan i don't know how to do this it's just we've got to break a laxie out of prison all right yeah absolutely this thundering chat oh the prison i hear this dabbages Natasha's character how much have we destroyed her already like more so we meet a laxie and you can tell this is like a character intro they have him getting a tattoo while arm wrestling and announcing that he can be captain america and did in a fight in the 80s and you can tell this is like a writer's sort of like ah this is how you get across to the audience exactly what kind of person we're dealing with but like none of it works why would you get a tattoo while moving around all the time let's just stupid i don't care how strong you are it's just stupid you'll fuck up the image can he wait wait wait can you give a tattoo to a super soldier is their skin not too durable or something can you pierce the skin with a needle well um i think i guess you can yeah you can pierce that's america could be shot well i well i think that's two different like i'm scarless a little he can be caught like a tiny little i was i was so i was like is art is a is a super soldier resilient enough to where the little the normal tattoo needle just couldn't quite get in there because of their durability maybe they have a sharper one just for him um so yeah then he he's just arm wrestling everybody in a row why would anybody agree to arm wrestle a guy who's literally a fucking super soldier what's the point he's like he can fucking move cars with his hand like why what's the point i just don't get it like if anyone was like nah it's the prison thing where you want to try and prove your strength there's no point like arm wrestling godzilla just say before you go too far at this point we're him looking at this old toy soldier man that could have really been a cool character intro that teaches us about how he feels about it and gives us something meaningful and that could have been really cool like he really pines for either the attention or the fame or doing something he believes in or like a life that he earned after he got out of the spy business or something there could have been something there the way he looks at this toy um but but so i have spoilers we get like nothing for him he sucks yes it's just like a joke he's the butt of jokes and he's a joke that was where i was going like so this character intro like he's really strong because he can get a tattoo while moving around it's like that's just stupid he's really strong and powerful and shows it off because he's arm wrestling all these people it's like they have to agree to the arm wrestle and they wouldn't so this seems weird to me then the third bragging about having beaten captain america and a lot of people like this about him a lot of people like it's really cool because of course he'd be aware of other super soldiers or like cap and he kind of seems like a rival like the america versus the russian and uh all of the things that they both done is like yeah i'm you know i'm better than cap and he mentions later on that like they're like uh contemporaries that you could be compared he wouldn't mind meeting him maybe he's even partially a hero to him i think the writers forgot the timeline cap went into the ice in the 40s came back out in 2012 or at least close to it the the public wouldn't be aware of him until 2012 it's but point that is 72 years of no cap why would he make a story where he's beating up cap in the 80s is it because it's supposed to be dumb and i think that's i think that goes beyond him being a stupid character it wouldn't nobody can draw that as a thing that they would lie about it it would be like if it's just as impossible as just fighting anybody that's known to just not exist at that point why would you do that especially when you have so many other options why not say it was Thor why not say it was captain marvel yeah yeah i think it's because i legit think the film was trying to make him stupid because it kind of fits with what they're doing he's used as a joke for the whole movie who's just gets laughed at and be done i don't know if it's stupid he accounts for something like that i think it's what they're going for you might be right but i think it's what i legit think it's what they're going for so it's explicitly what they're going for they have the guys say that that's not possible and then he's like what i'm saying it doesn't work as an example of someone being stupid yeah which i agree with well in the sense of like he's so you're saying he's deliberately well i don't know he's deliberately lying about it but i was thinking why would he choose that as the thing to lie about so if you if you are a lexie the only capacity you discover the captain america exists is well after he's gone he's like a wartime story you're saying he shouldn't even know about that to lie about it well he should i'm fine with him knowing that captain america was a thing but if you remember in 2012 colson has like a little trading cards a little captain america saluting on it like cap is i'm not even sure how many people would believe the cap had super strength at that point they'd be like he was a guy in the 40s he was apparently a legendary dude he like died to save a whole bunch of people and someone's like he had super strength you'd be like yeah okay he's like no seriously he used to throw a shield he was super strong he experimented on him it's like okay well sure what yeah bullshit i'm sure he was just an exceptional soldier um so lexie was born what like in the 60s 70s probably something aiming around there so by the time he's like a teenager he may have heard about captain america but nobody's really talking about him anymore this is many decades after he's gone i just don't get the capacity here and then so he's in prison and he finds out cap is back it's like what cap's back he's like yeah he's out of the ice and he's doing hero things and he's like oh yeah i fought him in the 80s when he's he would have been told follow your robot and pretty bad not for me no really yeah no all right carry on maybe it's just a weird temporary thing yeah um yeah i guess my main point is that it's it's not a stupid thing to say it's just a thing that nobody would ever say because it's just it can't it wouldn't have logistically come to his mind to say that see what you yeah see what you get yeah the only time where where cap would be active would be a four-year time period since this is 2016 and didn't he come back in 2012 exactly it would be absurd for him to latch on to that he would instead i think you should go for Thor and i think it would be way more fun for him to be like i took on a fucking god he would have beat him too he did not have his lightning hammer from space that is what exactly on elixir the red guardian don't think it was probably isia bradley i'm pretty sure he's gonna know the difference between a white man and a black man and besides this was written before falcon the winter soldier right yes or least it was happening at the same uh no it was happening at the same time like when when that was shooting i think yeah well i think they would have put more effort in if they wanted us to think it was isaia that he was mixing up for the joke is that he's clearly lied and that there's evidence to prove that he's a liar but the evidence is so fucking crazy that like nobody would have tried to lie so normally i would definitely agree i think that the writers are just that bad that i think they're just trying to use it to make him look yeah i know i'm saying that is explicitly what they do i'm just saying that's how incompetent they are that it doesn't even make sense to say i can deal with some of this stuff like red guardian is so stupid that um one of the stupid stuff does he do in this movie he's pretty much everything he does um he's acting like a goofball and he doesn't seem to be particularly competent in anything he really does he doesn't have a moment where he shines or does anything good yeah every time there's a moment he's he's almost about to shine it's like nah you're an idiot fuck off it's like yeah yeah um that's the point i'm making this this whole scene falls apart for me in terms of a character intro because it's so forced it's like our character is strong he cares about how he's perceived and he will lie in order to come across as better to other people i'm like i get that that's what you think you've written but this whole scene is just shit um so yeah moving on enough enough of me uh just wrote something down so when when he breaks the arm of the big guy i think his his uh is ad libt and badly as well i mean ad r uh ad r yeah sorry sorry it's uh i'll play it for the audience i can't really tell it could it could have come from him or it could have come from david harbux he's trying to taunt him i guess yeah maybe i know it just felt weird uh definitely i don't know but yeah i don't it's just wrote that down that was another thing by the way is hard i'm not very sympathetic toward a character who like not only hated his time with the family that i'm supposed to care about his connection to but i'll get in joy he's causing pain to people who call him a liar provably i'm like okay and i know that he's not a um a hero but it does come across in this movie that you're supposed to kind of be like well a lot of people like red guardian in this film a lot of people like yeah he was cool i like him i was like um but he wasn't cool that's the thing i kind of find him at all he's an idiot he was purposely constructed to be not cool the only thing he's a buffoon the only thing that pulls me toward him is the fact that the film hates him i feel bad for him yeah i i kind of get john walker vibes a little bit where i kind of want to root for the person the film is trying to demonize yeah because i almost feel like it's unfair i feel like if the this really is the red guardian he should be doing way better than how he's doing you know i i do feel like he's not being treated fairly absolutely um and the main thing i'm citing which uh i guess i'll try and highlight them as we go but there are many times in this film where he goes to explain something he feels and then the film cuts him off it happens like five times yeah it's fucking annoying everyone else gets to spill out exactly how they think it feel but he is a character isn't allowed and the film is like you're too stupid to do it it's just like okay i like i don't know i just kind of feel bad for him um but i don't like him really he's kind of an asshole i he is an asshole it's not really like he's just an asshole um so there's so much wrong with this scene oh it's um yeah it's incredible and to start i guess with the doll it's like yeah how the fuck did they get this year oh i don't know how to explain this it's almost like we should run through it quickly and then we'll go back so okay the two girls show up in the helicopter uh they get to talk to him through a little transceiver that he pulls out of the little red guardian merchandise he puts it in his ear they tell him to just run they start opening all the gates he runs through them they drop down a rope to let natasha down she fights a bunch of people until how do i like it's just so painful they start shooting at the helicopter she fires back with an rpg she blows up a tower with a mini gun in it and then avalanche starts they grab davis hava chain plot armor yeah and escape this is the this is the plot armor for me that just blows so many of the rest away it this is it this is like it's the kind of plot armor where it's like indistinguishable from parody where someone is just sitting dead still in the air in a helicopter as someone deliberately is shooting at them with a massive machine gun and she's just calmly pointing a rocket at them as bullet holes appear everywhere around her and just know like to explain the problem though if uh the reason i was summarizing is just to give everybody the landscape and then we could go back and then just progress chronologically so when they arrive they need him to be ready because they're running out of fuel um so how do they organize it so that the the doll they sent in the mail to him arrives exactly when they arrive to how do you time that they just hope because he opens it up and then they're like hey person time to escape it's like oh when it would have made a lot more sense for him to put it in his ear and be like hello and then they're sitting in some kind of you know hideout and they're like oh you finally got it sweet all right so we're gonna get going now uh be ready getting that doll there probably it's going to take days at least you'd have to think so um and some i see some people asking in chats like wait what popped the doll's head off pulling the string on the doll to make it say a phrase that's what did it i hope you would play yeah i was i was saying moller when we watched the film was like man it's a good thing he pulled that string or else well it's it's twice over good thing he pulled it good thing they didn't the uh the people who toy with all of his merchandise um now if you were fucking with your prisoner's stuff as it comes in and you see a figurine with a pull string i guess you just look at it and go interesting and then pass it over you don't pull the string why would you ever do that yeah that's silly so yeah we're already breaking apart like from the get go but it's not the worst of it so he gets it and they're like we're gonna start opening the gates just run and for some reason the first thing he does is punch his way through this little like kiosk thing and just beat these two guards one of them by the way just watches it all happen and waits for his turn oh yeah yep um and then yeah he starts moving through and we have an example of possibly one of the worst pieces of editing in movie history uh in terms of this particular uh category i guess and when i first saw this i didn't believe it had happened i thought i'd like blinked or something so i'm gonna show you guys because the red guardian is escaping and he's he's running there he is look at him run but unfortunately boom crashes right into this army of riot gear dudes look at that oh boy that's unfortunate surrounded how's he gonna get out of this great behind him in front of him he look at him he's thrashing he knows it's all over it's done how are you gonna get out of this maybe if you defeat oh he's fine there he is that's good yeah he made it out yeah oh um it happened so quickly most people might not even see it but that is i didn't see that i know for a fucking fact that the editor had more footage to work with than that surely that was so crap uh he's like i'm gonna get you i'm fine okay bye i'm fine bye and that's not the first time this film's editing is quite cringe uh and then this this thing happens i don't know what to think about this he picks up a riot shield and smashes it through the gate so that it locks it like yeah that confused me too it's like it's closing what what else do you want i don't exactly know what's happening here i think it just means that they can't open it back up why wait i think i think they don't show it clearly but i understand what they're going for i think the plate is like splitting and yeah they can move it again wait it's still open on the right though well not enough to anyone can get through i think is the idea because he's he's smashed that through now so that if you tried to pull one of them across it would jam with the yes thing is all you got to do is push the shield up and it's over yeah it doesn't look like it should be yeah there's not much they need to do about that um but yeah okay all right oh such a great scene already now we get to the really stupid shit all they've told him to do is get out to the courtyard and so oh watch this everyone wondering what his strength is look at that door kick he kicks right through it this man strength this man kills anybody he punches or kicks yeah jesus christ um so he goes from this i'm gonna put copyright cover back up i need you to appreciate all of this time i'm highlighting here okay he went up to that door broke it open ran through asked them what to do doesn't know still they're kind of chilling they've not told him what he's supposed to do next what he's supposed to do is get to the higher level so they can drop a rope and grab him they just don't tell him yeah it's so stupid and see sees all these people coming he's like oh shit and then i think natash is like get to the higher level super soldier and this is like all that time you just fucking wasted for no reason at all how about before you engage the plan tell him the plan no you got time hey all you got to do is get up if you can get up to the roof we're gonna be there is like we're gonna be there in 30 minutes or well here's the thing they rely on him getting his item when he gets his item too it's not just does he pull the cord does he do it it's also the time of when he gets the item if he even gets the item at all yeah right there's so many variables maybe um yeah now we've got a shit ton of dudes coming in with all kinds of guns getting getting real dangerous so alexi tries to uh jump up to the second level unfortunately he gets zapped and so Natasha and Yelena are like oh i guess we have to save him which is so frustrating it's like what exactly was he supposed to do you didn't give him a plaid that you just told him to jump up a wall it's like yeah apparently this prisons kept him here for like a long ass time so he can't just leave when he wants i assume what you feel like he probably could with his insane strength no door should ever pose a problem yeah and so uh Natasha just comes down and i think this is the point where the soldiers are like wait that helicopter is not on our team which you think they would have realized a little faster but that's fine i guess if they're distracted and stuff um so then she starts beating them up with close combat and she doesn't use any guns no this ain't gonna work love yeah there's a lot of people with guns this is one of those editing saves the protagonist scenes where you have these huge open spaces and they've all got ak 74s and well i don't know what they probably they've probably fucked that up and given 47s but they've all got these machine guns and they just it's fine no they never get shot never get shot by all these guys with guns up here look at the screenshot i made when i watched it i marked all the soldiers on screen yeah man i noticed that too it's nice yelling at yelena and nobody shoots her or the helicopter i think there's nothing it's insane yeah a little bit you might just so many yeah um just a few so then the helicopter gets hit with a barrage of bullets just constantly from guns and then uh it doesn't matter it just doesn't do anything at all until a minigun starts firing and that's film logic for oh minigun means it can actually damage you you know very badly though we see the machine gun the dishka we see it piercing straight through the helicopter like this helicopter is destroyed it's done you're tearing it apart yeah you are dead yep um but somehow it doesn't hit anything vital on the helicopter or on yelena doesn't even shoot the cockpit oh it was like one stationary target and you got sights on that thing and it's a it like you can't lose this is a freebie this is like uh this is just like simulations like yeah it's exactly like exactly what you do it's good not possibly be better in my favor you know it's a giant target doesn't move yeah it would affect these deads still and so i don't appreciate this just be clear this this plan right so think about who natasha and yelena are they're super uh super spies essentially and this is just the dumbest plan there's nothing clever about this there's nothing interesting about it this is like the brute force equivalent of like this isn't like is this the why is this the plan you choose with your skill sets of subversion and subterfusion guile one of the things i thought could have been interesting right and this is the kind of thing when you come up with ideas you still need to refine them fully but face masks what if they pretended to be drake oven someone else coming into the prison and uh when they try and free alexi like alexi has a huge amount of complaining to drake oven all the things he hates about anybody really appreciates the fact that he's finally releasing him and all that stuff and then once it's revealed that it's actually natasha he's just like oh fuck i don't know how you can actually have i guess stature and fat suits i don't know like but the point is you expect a goal you expect them to do it via espionage not via brute force sneak in you use wires and vents and you know cool gadgets and all kinds of stuff and all of your like relevant skills you don't expect we're gonna we're gonna magically acquire a helicopter park our asses right in the middle of a massive prison yard full of men with machine guns and just like swing in and rescue like this is dumb this is really stupid it can't be it can't be stated too many times the point needs to sink in how dumb this is and it's doubly dumb considering the characters who actually are enacting this plan natasha should say no that's stupid and suicidal do you know how many guns they have up there here's what the real plan is we're going to use the sewers and we're going to use the vents and gadgets and wires and it'll be like mission impossible and it'll be great and yelena is like what is mission impossible oh it's a great move and then you make mission impossible references for the whole fucking movie and then it all comes together at the end when yelena says just like mission impossible and then tasha says yeah and then the movie ends and we go home and they wink at the screen right and thank you for thank you for coming to my Ted talk i got this on screen and i'm going to play it in slow motion to see how many bullets managed to not hit her got with the sparks come on give me give me the sparks any second one two three four five six seven well they stopped wow they're like one of them got in the door yes like as it was shooting as it was swinging around she just so happened to be in between where the bullets shot because if it's rate of fire i think that's nine bullets yeah only nine actually hit the area oh this innocent man who's defending this prison from yeah so morally this is pretty damn frustrating because all these people are doing the right thing yes you are killing this guy because of course he's stopping you from showing up and yeah like stealing prisoners like these are prisoners these are criminals you can't just come in and and bust them out like of course we're going to shoot at you and now you're shooting missiles at innocent people like fuck me and she does it and then she goes ha it's like oh guys do you do you think that's why they had the little scene where the guards were kind of dickish to alexi yeah i could believe that that's stupid yeah i could believe that that's stupid that they think that that's just okay these guys get killed yeah because they were sort of a dick to the the goodish guy so it's okay now chat for those of you out there who are unaware of exactly where this plot goes next okay by shooting explosive into the building and blowing it all up they're like yay our plan is we're good and then yelena's like wait a minute and then everyone is like wait a minute because you start hearing some noises and then when it shows you a wide shot of yeah i know right when it shows you this kind of shot you see all of the mountains in the background you're like and then it's like a little shake like oh no are we oh we're doing that the answer is yes we're doing that we're doing that we're getting our Milan moment we have an avalanche she calls one and her reaction to seeing it is this would be a pretty cool way to die this is the cringe well it's a cool it gets cold back at the end especially when she's in a helicopter and the avalanche is not gonna pose a problem to her in theory it's a pun but so this is like epic action scene and i think most people took it that way but i was fucking disturbed when i first saw this well they're all going to die well let's be entirely specific about probabilities and how everything runs anyone outside is dead we know this yes anyone outside is a very real chance of dying i would not count on them like you would still do search and rescue because hopefully you're like hopefully some people survived it's not a nice death either a suffocation yes um it's a really bad way to go yeah that's assuming that everybody gets inside and all the doors are closed which you know but some some will but some will but yeah but well so if we can just do a quick damage recap right it buries the entire prison and it destroys most of the buildings that are up and around and they look like power and communication towers that seems to be the idea um now that there's there's it's not going to take long for people to have discovered this happened if they don't even if they know already they probably went out of communication out already like we're under attack what you'd think um but any government that's like told that this has happened like it's going to take some time to get everybody dug out of this place absolutely they got a scramble search and rescue helicopters and it's going to take some time um yeah the side will be okay but anyone outside well probably well you say that but if all of the prisoners and all of out of this oh yeah in that sense there's going to be a lot of murders happening a lot yeah the guards will try and corral them but the prisoners aren't going to take that shit especially during an avalanche yeah yeah there'll be a lot of it will be it'll be carnage and if there are points you know if they take a certain amount of time you can get some really grisly things happening if they're not saved you know relatively quick enough yeah cannibalism some really horrible things i don't think that'll happen i think there's going to be enough provisions in there with where they are and how much it normally snows and stuff well it depends what what if you are locked what if you were trapped in an area where there is no food what if you were in a oh yeah i guess if you're trapped to food well with the with the snow trap different or to just cover the outside would it get in or would it be all sealed up well i'm not gonna i wouldn't assume that this entire facility is accessible only through interiors at all times there are parts that will be separate from the others and if you got no water you're gonna be a lot of trouble um and i think the overall takeaway you're supposed to have about this is that people died lots of people probably died yes um and the the complete guarantee is that yelena would have known this action cost lives as far as she could tell and she didn't give a f*** and neither did the lives of people who because the prisoners don't deserve to die uh and the guards don't deserve to die it just because you want to break this guy out like it's not it's entirely unfair to those people yeah they don't care in fact they celebrate when everyone gets onto the helicopter successfully yelena's like oh yes all right and um yeah this is not an evil base this is not a stronghold of all the nazis that they were experimenting on you all and you just escaped and you buried them in avalanche whatever this is literally a what you've done is wrong and as a result of doing it you did something else it's incredibly wrong yep um you have no idea why alexis in prison you're just getting him out because you need something from him that's not how it works so um that's another thing even like sneak in the bug to put in his oh yeah that's right it's the ear piece yeah she starts talking when he puts the earpiece in and i'm like how the f*** did you know he had the earpiece in when he started talking yeah you don't um i was just gonna say they didn't even try just like a prisoner visit thing and they were like where's the red room and then you know alexi can be that kind of character where he's like i will tell you if you get to me out of this prison yeah you're for too long and i have to exact my revenge against dragon so if he if he dies at any point make sure you tell me yeah i would hate to not know that my f***ing the person who destroyed my life was dead but yeah um that's the scene it's horrendous and we're not even in act three yet the character assassination well see and if you've been paying attention to everything we've been saying i would say at this point Natasha's been destroyed like thoroughly um a lot of the core values and then just standard ones that come with heroism it's all gone yeah and why it's very frustrating yeah um and yeah so alexi says ew you guys had your fallopian tubes ripped out you stop talking about it so weird yeah after she makes a joke of it yeah this is the thing the reason i bring this up so fast is um if we were in the writer's room and someone pitched that to me i'd be like whoa no no no no no no no no no if that comes out which is still a big if that should like haunt alexi that should be something that he's like jesus f***ing christ they did that to you guys after i recommended you guys go into that program and that should like really make him think twice about what his connection to these two are and why they would feel what they feel toward him but he's too f***ing stupid he's just like lol well it worked out oh wow great killers the best killers ever and i'm like okay well i see you've changed in prison yeah and you can't even blame him that much because they make jokes about it and they shouldn't be making jokes about that they really shouldn't and i'm not saying you can't make jokes about it in general i'm saying those characters wouldn't make jokes about that they don't seem like they should be jokey at all i mean yelena this is the first time she's even talked about it as a thing that happened in her life with like you know the freedom to actually express her own perspective on it she's joking about it she doesn't ever seem upset or bitter about it well she's snarky if anything right with some yeah she's snarky and upbeat and outgoing and happy go lucky and i'm like no you wouldn't be like it i don't believe you you're not real only an hour into this film yeah but guys the first couple acts are great it's the third act where it falls apart yep uh so how do we get to melina well they ask him where the red room is and he goes i don't know but melina does and of course now is a view you're like yeah why didn't they go to melina and then natash is like melina's dead and he goes no she's not so shit why do we why do we have that scene yep all right the dasha didn't look into it she just assumed she was dead but she's not dead fuck it and the only reason that that's just established and then counted in that moment is because why did it happen now of all times like that's why because she thought it now she doesn't moving on cool talk about just like this this crash and how they just like crash and they're fine oh yeah like their helicopter just plumps into the ground out of the sky and they're just well great things are great before you before that this is their fuel gauge apparently i'm not going to pretend like i know if that is the fuel gauge console and one of those the one they're looking at uh what does it say lead oh leader that's what's in leaders i think that's the russian word for leader i'm not sure i can i don't know a lot of russian words but i can phonetically i think that's i think that's for leaders okay um so this is after just completing the prison rescue which is what they intended and now they're like what next and he's like we gotta go to petersberg and she's like i don't think we have the fuel for petersberg it's like what what did you expect was gonna happen that he would tell you where the red room is and he was right next to the prison yeah fresh is fucking big exactly i have no fucking clue what the point of this what like oh we don't have the fuel to just go anywhere there are some people out there who say that it's the largest country in the world some so you should have a fuel and plus if you know you don't have much fuel left you need to say okay we're gonna run out of fuel i'm gonna go ahead and put us down uh like on our landing gear like a normal landing so we don't have a crash landing because that would be bad because we're in the helicopter helicopters can auto rotate what does that have to do with anything oh so when you're when you start descending in a helicopter the blades are still going to be affected by the the the wind and the air so i think the auto rotating is you can have a controlled descent in a helicopter because there will still be spin that the propellers will have based on as you're descending it'll keep the propeller spinning to a degree yeah i'm just i think i'm not i'm just battle they didn't land before they crash land yeah it's like i guess we just have to keep going forward until we just like that's a big deal like that could really seriously hurt you but as thunder just said it's funny right they they wanted a funny landing and you're you're laughing you're all laughing it's funny that was funny story man silence is a funny substitute with the clock or man t he they crashed so uh they're at malina well they're almost at malina's farm and they literally say like how how long until we're there and you just goes when we're there so it worked out is basically what what i'm saying because they don't i think writers would be smart these days to not tell you where anyone is at any time so that we can't be like you fuck that up instead we'll have to be like well and it's a good thing he knows exactly where she is yeah you'd think with alexi having been in prison for a while now it's it's amazing that he knows where she would work but yeah he does and uh and she is there and things just keep getting stranger um oh i guess there's a there is a discussion where he's like he's defensive about how yeah they lost the uterus but at the same time they're pretty good killers so it's chill and at this point yeah which i don't this guy at this point i was very confused about what they want to do with him like is he gonna be a good guy is he gonna be a bad guy is he gonna like what are they who is this guy and what are they what are they going for with him and i'm still not even sure other than he's just like this weird goofball that they have laughed at and they just treat like a joke funny though well don't think i laughed once while watching this movie i laughed in sadness like a like like a person in a straight jacket might laugh kind of like that um obviously the big pay off for this is um loki says your ledger is dripping gushing red as a point of how she will never be able to clean it out and then alexi grabs their hands and he's like i'm so proud of you girls your ledgers are dripping gushing red who is this guy who do you want what do you want me to feel film a lot of the times films are obvious and obnoxious about how they want me to feel but here i'm like film what what do you want what do you want me to be thinking right now with this guy because i'm confused we hate the sexist joss but we will steal his dialogue they're all steal it is dialogue is funny do whatever they want with it glorious purpose they said that fucking like 17 times in the loki show yeah breakdown coming next week someone's saying that red guardian actually believes he fought cap because he asks natasha about it so does he have a mental condition instead of lying i don't think he asks natasha about he asks what what cap has said about him in a way of like it's so you know how he comments on cap as a super soldier in america he was asking if cap has ever commented on him as a super soldier in russia well you didn't exist until they just made you up so probably yeah and cap hasn't been active yeah cap went around to say anything which is after the red guardians even done anything like he's done he would have been imprisoned by then i just don't get it what's funny they're trying to make it cute like ah of course you would because he describes him as contemporaries like see it makes sense they're both kind of super soldiers and i'm like you didn't think about this for five seconds you literally saw super soldier and that was it doesn't work um so she gets alerted by her ipad that she's got intruders and so she takes the time to get her pigs inside and then grab a sniper from her shed and just aim it at the people coming it's so that was funny like that's a defensive system she's like let me just saw my pigs get my gun all right who is it and they're very casually walking toward the place and in such a way that if these people were intending to kill her they would have been easy like just oh yeah absolutely like a bunch of people in these bright white outfits probably wouldn't just be waltzing around yeah yeah but oh they just arrive very casually unbeknownst to them i'm gonna set this up a little earlier because she's very evil right and she's gonna cold rake off immediately and so the red room people are already on the way that's terrifying they don't know this until then she's just gonna have to delay them and so they have a family chat and possibly i guess capping off natash's assassination with the family values thing happens here the um the mum is just talking about how happy she is about her mind control she's like really excited in relation to the pig we're gonna come back to that in a sec oh the pig yeah and so yeah the real hero she's very into it putting up with all this bullshit and and natash is like the fuck blah blah blah and then yelena has a little bit of a probably the best acting in the whole film if i'm being nice and friendly but it's the only part it's the part of the film that people probably reference on twitter i'd imagine i feel that way about a lot of things in modern mcu like it's a scene built to be shared it's not a scene that was there for the story necessarily she gets upset because everybody's referring to their their undercover family life is fake and didn't really mean much and they're not what you would call a family there's no way you could say that and she's like it was real to me and all of you were dicks you all lied fuck all of you um she said obviously her mum created the mind control that's been used on it for a whole life which by the way how do you not resent the fuck out of that woman when you know that yeah yeah man that's i would fucking hate you i'd be like you've done this to not just me there's so many people it would be tempting to kill you just saying like the amount of damage you've caused and uh we'll get to that one in a sec the one i really want to focus on though is she says to natasha and you abandoned me where were you like look what happened to me and natasha just slumps and looks down at the table full of guilt because she's been provided this mishap by these writers because it never existed before because they assassinated her and yeah the question is would natasha leave her beloved sister behind with what you know about it from the mcu the answer is no no and so if you say well she did like oh um well she's fucked it's just incompatible with her character the else we could do i'm talking about incompatibilities when she explains the horrors of the mind control and it was being used on here the mum is like oh man i didn't know that sucks bullshit it's it's incredibly bullshit very bullshit just try to rescue her like the writers are like no no no she did she was making the mind control as a hobby she didn't know it would be used on anybody oh yeah she's the lead scientist who has regular discussions with drake off she didn't know about the black widow program being used with mind control oh no no no no no no definitely not oh bullshit all of it's bullshit um demonstrating of course the mind control she shows that she can make a pig be unable to breathe yeah and then she lets it continue going on for way too long and it's very evil and upsets me greatly that they would mistreat this poor pig the pig gags like half a minute lord knows what does this pig had to put up with when the cameras weren't rolling yeah and of course terrible things like the most morally upstanding character in this story so this is like reverse animal farm yeah and uh at least natash is the first one to be like fucking let the pig breathe you bitch yeah why not make him do a trick or something like cut off his breathing it's so sadistic it's like of all the things you could have done jesus lol it can't breathe she's like giddy while explaining this and they're all like wow this is really fucked up and it's like yay movie has one sliver of self-awareness one sliver at least that's something yeah uh so they they get a big angry and they split off into two groups yelena and alexi millena and natasha um and as mel actually pointed out to me there's a really funny just thing that happens here with the the lighting like it's daytime yelena leaves in a huff it's clearly daytime you can you can see it on stream and take the copyright down she rushes off alexi follows her immediately and we cut to him in the room with her and it's just darkness outside and uh when we cut back to these guys it's all dark as well it's just we literally just switched from day to night in like a second yeah um but who cares editing right well it's not even editing at that point that's just filming yeah that's just like oh we fucked up um it took us a long time to shoot these scenes now uh in terms of tone you see the alexi opens the door to his door to this just had a tantrum about how everybody is treated horribly and she has a horrible life and so he enters the room i don't know where by the way um it came out of no way with how she's portrayed a character up to this point it makes sense yeah that's history at least yeah yeah yeah like that's how she should be but like pumped up to more of a degree oftentimes and then at the end she starts to be like oh maybe there is you know i'm still you know young i got so many years ahead of me and i've been breaking free and and there are clearly people who do care about me and um everyone's pressing f i don't know why oh is it f for the pig oh okay oh okay the pig lives so it's okay yeah he's all right yeah i was worried yeah uh gary is such a boomer that he knows that f means pay respect but he doesn't know the context of how it begins and where you typically use it so i was on a stream with him and he was explaining how awesome of a friend az is to him and then but he he only explained that portion of it he began his like statement with everyone in chat press f press f right now press f for az and i was like we're like oh my god is he okay did something happen me and az were both like huh he was like press f for az because that man deserves some respect that's like we're halfway there you know that's good stuff i like the the the use of it it's amusing um so anyway yeah alexi gets into the room and it seems like you're kind of waiting for them to play a joke right and this is my i'm explaining my journey with this i don't know if it's different for other people but i was already kind of annoyed i was like here we go he'll enter the room and be a really shitty dad make like a fought joke and then leave like that's what the thing will be um and she says i don't want to talk to anybody and then he says then we'll be quiet and he sits next to her and i was like and that could be nice yeah an actual moment i almost like i'm like proud of you emcee you did it and then they cut away and see like all right we're good we're good for now okay a taste of something not shit and then that's a thing i think they ruin it so that they eventually cut back to them and he's explaining a story about his father which is another thing that could work depending on what he says the payoff is his dad went to toilet on his hands yes yeah and she's like why are you telling me this story and then he just goes well you know fathers so bad i hate it it sucks it really sucks it doesn't come across as what what they wanted it to be with him he's just like he knows kind of what to do but he's a bad dad and he doesn't know how to explain it and he's awkwardly trying to like talk to someone but in it's they did a really bad thing how they did that like i understand what they're going for but it wasn't good enough i just hate that he's a complete joke he's not a human yeah i don't like it either just you get these tiny little slivers of moments in between just buffoonery makes me confused and upset and so uh yeah that she's like get the fuck out and then he sings her the song that she liked from when they were in the car at the beginning of the film when they were young yeah yeah america pie which um when i watched it and they started the song on the beginning i immediately wrote down this is gonna be a payoff later oh the beginning has like the every little cut away they have to something you know it's it's so obvious that you know that thing is gonna pop up the picture book yeah leave the photo of the kids yep the song it's also just you know it's gonna pop up again it will not be cleverly referenced a second time they'll just be yeah it's back we yeah so what a chest said to be fair he was suffering from frost bite i am not asking for a justification for why his dad pissed on him i'm talking about raising that story in that moment it's okay it made sense to repeat out it makes sense that he pissed on him so um quick dad piss on my hands yeah so so we're in a position where um that that song being called back to maybe think like oh man you could have had you seen now it would have come in that he said will be quiet then he could start humming that song and they could like sing some of it together and then he could have explained a story about his dad that was actually genuine and related to this situation currently and then they could have had a moment and that could have been it but we can't because he's too much for fucking joking it doesn't stop there we'll get more um on the other end we have natasha being like fuck you mom i'm gonna go and beat drake off myself and she's like can't it's real hard and i don't know how to summarize the scene other than natasha's like i'm pretty sentimental and i think you are kind of too because you saved this photo album and then millena's like you're kind of right and i feel bad because drake off is on his way yeah like wow how but how did he learn about how though well yeah that's what i'm saying she flips in an instant instantly a short tiny heart-to-heart from natasha gets her to completely flip yeah isn't she like oh how did you did you keep your heart and then begin another payoff from the beginning because you told me to be strong or something whatever she said in the beginning it's like oh okay and that's what makes me strong or natasha yeah we do love you weird mom but no more torturing animals ground rule ground rule rule number two no more mind control of people you're just fucking no more mind control it's real creepy yeah it is weird like if you think it's normal that's the problem no one else does so um i guess is that about it now until we get because i'd have to get to the third act right it's the the big showdown because we're about to sort of skip over to it in an instant because drug of men arrive and just prank everybody basically and you're supposed to as a view at least a lex he has a moment where he fights them off valiantly and we see that he could really be a fighter when the chips are down and he has to defend his family and and and that doesn't happen yeah i'm sorry it didn't happen oh well well we do get another aquaman moment though this one i in a way is funnier than um other like this thing they're all different flavors of aquaman because um yeah there it is things are just kind of normal and then suddenly it's such a like wow what the fuck um but yeah draco's manner outside and they're just gonna they're gonna shoot all of our heroes and it's gonna be real sad and then they get captured and they're being taken to the red room a place that again everyone sedated when they go to except of course all of the drivers for the uh the transport ships seems like um an exploit potentially which by the way uh we know that there are black widows we know there are women behind it that can be saved but there are also lots of guys that are just masked well we need people that the heroes can fuck up with moral you know in community essentially yeah because we know the black widows those people they're they they are they're brainwashed into it and yeah the men show them yeah that's yeah i mean man it's very bad when you think about it in terms of uh not not very feminist of you it's supposed to be about equality it was about figuring out the good character of motivation for everyone are the men not under mind control you'd think they'd have to be no men are just naturally they're just they're on a payroll they're like employees they're all mercenaries so yeah um the audience is meant to think that melina's betrayed them all and she said it gets them all sent in and you're like oh my goodness um um so i guess i don't know how to go about this one we're just gonna have to keep talking about all of it until we feel like we've covered all of it because this is such a mangled fucking mess the third act mm so we have got on the third act that's yeah i know it's incredible really um we presented the melina goes to drakov to just we assume because we don't have all the information yet that they're just doing like a fucking victory lap like we did it turns out turns out this isn't melina this is natasha wearing face mask and wig and um that means that melina is in a cell with a cross from the red guardian and she's gonna break out because she built the cells i feel like i can't explain any of this without being like right so this doesn't make sense for this millions of reasons drakov manages to see through it by the way straight away he's like when you look into the eyes of someone who hates you you can tell or some shit like that um but he doesn't do anything about it when he realizes he's like yep you're you're here which means the other one is you he only in a in a while eventually says yo task master there are rats in the building go sort them out so i guess the initial thing is just like why didn't you uh immediately have a lockdown the second you knew that there's people crawling around your base that shouldn't be feels like a dangerous scenario you're not gonna want everyone fucking with your stuff this is problem one of seven thousand by the way like i legitimately like i don't even know how to approach this so insane uh they need to be on a particular floor and right next to each other with their cells this is accounted for when apparently melina told natasha to ask them to do that what if they just said no bitch they're going where we want them to be i guess that'd be the end of the movie like they'd lose yeah i suppose everything i'm gonna highlight here is kind of it destroys the movie every time um it's a bad one this is a this is a hodgepodge sludgy mixture milkshake of events and characters and locations rake off does not strip them down he lets them all keep their super suits all their gear they legitimately have all of their fucking gear um the one that is getting a decent kitty the one that's getting mind controlled like remind controlled elena she still has a knife and she pulls it out to escape like what a great classic mistake that's a that's a rookie move right there yeah letting her keep a knife yeah like what a stupid obviously they let her keep the knife they let um natasha keep the transceivers to be able to talk to elena um obviously red guardians just outfit like why are they letting everyone keep all of their outfits it makes it he's got like pouches for all of his gear it's just fucking nonsense but okay they uh they don't mind control all of them just elena why why wouldn't you want to mind control alexi and that just brings up question why the fuck isn't alexi mind controlled anyway why is he in jail not as well he's super strong yeah mind control he's a soldier mind control his ass and use him to do yes that might as well isn't is putting it lightly he should be the priority target like oh this is a great that's a great point um someone told me he was on it was with us he told me that the um the the the hot toy version of my taskmaster has the shield the bow the bow and he listed at one point i think a gun i was like taskmaster doesn't use a gun he was like huh and someone in chat was like why aren't you managing the fact that you just pulled out a gun i'm like oh fuck yeah taskmaster does have a gun yeah he has it here in the end in the end fight but he just doesn't he pulls it out on uh when he thinks that uh this is a this is a huge mistake that natash is in the room it's just like when the fuck did you have a gun i hate it like of course he should have a gun he should always be using it guns they cause problems all right and that's why you have to deal with them for the problems guns solve yeah you gotta work around them you have to write a reason why guns don't just solve all the fights you want to happen those are kind of a what gun is that rags i demand your um gun review let me take a look looks like a unica revolver with a um sorry it did clip the thing let me look at the better picture of it yeah it looks like that's a unica revolver with some kind of a a kind of sight on the top of it it could be a laser i think i think it's a laser um looks like a gun yeah looks like a gun yeah it's a it's a metaba auto revolver now a model six unica or a similar design they uh they're distinctive because it's a revolver that shoots the round at the bottom of the cylinder as opposed to the top which means that the recoil is going to be felt differently in your hand pushes back a little bit more than it would have instead of lifted upwards they're really cool really nifty um hopefully one day i get to shoot one and kind of see what that feels like but it's a yeah it's a metaba auto revolver model six unica so uh what melina plans to do is break out of the cells and then go to uh propulsion control and activate the landing protocol i think but drakov out smart so you see when she gets into the room he presses a button and all of the controls lock down and locks her in the room meaning uh he knew that she was going to go there so why not just fucking lock her in the cell and not let her get out and if you like well she built the cells like fucking get a bunch of men in front of it with guns yeah like if you know that yeah just have them sitting there at all times to make sure that what an idiot he knew that was gonna happen apparently it's like what the fuck that screws with everything i'm gonna i'm gonna take my time though because i'm a big evil man i'm gonna explain my evil plan oh wait we're not up to that part yet hold on it's not the same if the woman didn't suffer she's only able to do that by the way because task master can't get to her and task master can't get to her because red guardian stands between her and task master and it's like man if you're only stored on different floors for any reasonable fucking reason what if red guardian was just executed what if any of you were executed what what if what if task master just shot him with his gun no that wouldn't make any sense the funny thing is task master takes such a significant disadvantage to go to hand-to-hand combat with the red guardian and yet he loses significantly to task master and it's worth mentioning as well like i said this is all just gonna come out piece by piece this whole act is insane to keep track of the red guardian realizes he kind of made a mistake with the kids and he thinks he's in a cell alongside natasha so he starts explaining to her how he actually feels and that to refer to his um raising of them as boring is almost cowardly that's what he tries to get out and the door opens and he like falls over and he's like wait what i was explaining this the whole time to you and melina's like lol yeah idiot and it's just like right why would you make a joke out of a meaningful character moment and that's thing they're talking on transceivers and he sees that's happening so he immediately puts his finger in his ear and he goes please let me explain like i was wrong and and he gets through like a little bit of it and then she goes you don't have one he goes oh yeah awesome you're not part of the plan fuck you which is insane by the way you they they just arbitrarily say we only have two of these so two people can talk to each other earlier on in that massive yeah in that massive fuck off room full of guns and equipment and shit jet to fuck right yeah and uh not to mention she only had like the time to only tell natasha the plan they couldn't tell any of the others yeah whatever like bullshit um yeah time and yeah so they tell you might influence yeah like here's the plan because not knowing the truth would probably influence your decision making uh so we want to make sure everyone's on the same page here imagine how badly it would have gone if like jelena thought that uh like had to shot malina in the face but it was actually not like in disguise exactly you know you know jelena is like a is a black widow so who knows maybe she could have escaped and found a gun or threw a knife at her or something exactly you guys need to be on the same page if one of your team disguises herself as someone that everyone else on the team wants to kill you know what else teach them all how to escape the cells you never know how useful that information is going to be with how everything's going to go but uh she's the only one who knows except also well we'll get to that so this is in malina's ear and jelena's ear see that seems pretty obvious to me if anyone did a quick check over of any of these people it'd be like oh that's coming out why do they let her have like pierced ears i don't see why an assassin would need that you have you have really nice done up hair you got your hair all did you have your earrings you have your makeup you have and then and then you have these goofy ass black suits that stand out like a sore thumb yeah it's it's all very strange um they tell her on that transceiver once they get out of the cells that she has a knife and she can free herself why didn't they tell her as soon as they woke up because the fact that they take so long she is seconds away from being killed oh man control sorry yeah it's insanely lucky and for some reason they waited this long um but yet she didn't try to search for it herself by the way they just tell her there's a knife in your pocket grab it and escape but she just does the restraints on this woman are pathetic for what it what seems to be brain surgery like you needed you need to do better okay what if she's been sedated before they even like fucking pathetic and she's like one stroke yeah she she manages to swipe them both of it doesn't seem possible but whatever and again all of this happens because they didn't take off all of the they didn't strip down all the military gear and check the knives or check for the thing in a rear yeah you strip them down to the skin and check every orifice and ear and just you this is everything the stakes are too high this happens all the time in movies the good guys get yeah the good guys get to hide shit and gadgets that they need because just casual searches are not made of them when they're being taken into custody hmm they they literally say keep her awake for the cranial incisions why would you do that not to mention just feels it because our big bad hates women not to mention like the just the way that they've strapped it down for brain surgery is insane it's so stupid didn't you have the brain it's like the head secured yes what if she moves i i feel like you need to have her like sedated so she doesn't like struggled because of the pain and fuck up your operation as i'm looking at these restraints i feel like you could wiggle your way out of them well if you think about so you know how your arm works right um if you fold your arm across your belly and then she could probably lift it out of that initial restraint so now she's already got exactly yeah yeah it's really fucking stupid but this happens right and put it on the screen for a reason she's cutting herself out of this she sees a scientist man over there is getting close she kicks him and look at this i think it's this guy yeah look at him oh oh and dug it syringe right in and you're like oh shit wow they must have really shown that for some reason they made a really big deal of it well i was about to say like that was relatively quick and i think someone could miss that but they wouldn't want you to miss it uh oh she threw a very small knife in a guy i got him so you can see that's just sticking out of her gonna just gonna give a little grab a runy oof out it goes and then we get an insert shot right there now why would they do this unless it's gonna mean something yeah what is it they injected me with and they she even it even puts it down and it hasn't been fine yeah it hasn't it hasn't been plunged though well it's it's been it's not plunged but yeah um you can definitely say that my confusion is more so why put the effort of all this and then an insert shot if it means nothing yeah like oh she's been injected with something what's that gonna mean later is she gonna collapse later or get weakened later or you know what's what's gonna happen what would they put inside of her was that the was that some sedation stuff for the operation so she's gonna be uh she's gonna be afk for a while later on who knows now someone said the guy who died when she threw the knife at him he should just be like ow what the ow that hurts a lot and continued operating because you just threw a knife at his back and it wasn't a very big knife at all and people are saying the insert shot is to show that it wasn't plunged it's like I guess yeah okay so my interpretation was I knew that already um and that the insert shot was distracting me because it's like wait was I supposed to think something more of that but then why have it be a syringe why not have it be like a scalpel or something where we don't have you don't have to think about that being a thing and I bet the vast majority of people who saw that didn't notice that it hadn't been plunged yet yeah they just assumed that and what a and that's the thing a little detail like that would make a lot of sense in a movie that actually gave a shit about little details but this movie is full of nonsensical details so that stands out as being like that seems like a fuck up to me I thought I missed something when I finished the movie it's like wait that didn't go anywhere right and if someone was like no that's the point it wasn't plunged I'd be like oh oh okay okay all right that's fortunate yeah I just it just feels weird it's just like you put all the effort to have a stabbed by a syringe and then you show that very specifically like look she was hit with a syringe like oh my yeah true well yeah how about that I'm glad she's okay um so she escapes and she gets down to a floor I guess she knows where it is where the vials are kept and she just grabs them Draykov didn't have them destroyed and if you say something I would have done well I was gonna say if someone was to argue maybe he would want to study them and I'd be like okay well the whole point of this movie was that he was angry that he even like fucked up by making them that he regrets that and he wanted to oh um but he doesn't like that they exist I thought that was the point that would be the argument yeah he's yeah he thinks they're bullshit obviously they're ruining his operation um but if someone wanted to argue to me that he still might want to study them I'd be like okay well then they'd be under fucking more lock and key than literally like it's a shelf or some shit yeah that'd be guarded by like 10 men just in case yeah I would yeah that was me I would destroy all but like maybe yeah and then they would go into a super secret mega safe that is behind a locked door and then that door is got as guarded by a bunch of people like why not oh I don't trust my man they're fucking worthless well it's it reminds me that there's a joke in community where it was like Arbet if he was gonna have a uh a movie where it was like a you know a slash a movie and the joke is no we're we're gonna if there's a killer outside we're gonna stand in here back to back holding knives it's like yeah this is kind of things I'd be wanting to do if I didn't want to lose like make sure that there is no possible breach this is actually something Mel highlighted uh at this point when she's about to reveal she's wearing a mask Scarlett Johansson goes to pull the mask off one way but she's not supposed to for how it works so she switches her hand oh really from the bottom uh I mean from the top it's small it's just fun oh why would you not just do it again I'm sure it has come off easy the thing about some a quarter got mistake like that is I suppose you could argue that Natasha could make that mistake I guess yeah I guess it's just interesting that you wouldn't just do it again if like it was a problem yeah maybe they just were like no that's that feels genuine I'm going okay maybe um so everyone's kind of moving into position I'm trying to make sure I get everything right here chronologically uh Melina escapes the room she's locked in immediately the drink of Dricks she's like opens up a vent and just crawls through it it's like a video yeah like okay and of course Vince they will lead anywhere you need to go and they're always this is a massive facility by the way this is one of those oh we just know is it into each other on a different kind of things she probably she probably built it rags but oh I thought she would be I they don't do the mind control thing when they enter and exit not on here oh okay she remembers she's top scientist she also built the fucking cells she's also a black widow and she knows everything about the facility memorization of the vents would be like she got a little map interesting one you know all the she probably built the entire place okay jeez herself by hand yes she told the man to not help her because they would just fuck it up ah then we get the reveal so for those who had been listening maybe they'd be like they don't know about this so task master is actually task mistress and whenever they ask manager they have a couple of shots where her head is clearly composited on top of a man's body and then sometimes there are shots where I think she's in the suit but if you compare it to prior shots she's much smaller and uh the shoulders the shoulders aren't broad well so something they did in this whole film is really weird everybody has shoulder pads all the women um Scarlett Johansson Molina uh Yelena and task mistress they all have these shoulder pads that try to create broad shoulders where they obviously wouldn't have any really strange you think you're trying to hide something i wonder if this belief or it's an attempt to level out task master's absurdity it's like see all the women have shoulders like this kind of you know that doesn't really maybe i don't know what it is it's weird because they don't do it in any of the mcu movies at least from what i remember um i remember black widow ever having shoulder pads so this reveal fucking everybody on the internet knew this was coming i'm not even sure how at this point i guess it's because we've done a lot of these references include anfis nest if you guys remember that was a big spooky guy and solo and then it was like nah it's actually a girl like oh shit that's maybe changes nothing all right moving on it's kind of interesting it's almost like they're aping the the samus reveal without realizing that the reason why the samus reveal was significant was because that kind of hadn't been done before but now it's been done like a thousand times i don't know disney a fucking 50 years behind this shit it's like look women can be in movies too yes they can yep yeah um all right who else are the people saying carly um was there ever really a reveal of carly being a guy to a girl or was it always just assumed she could be anything well it was because carl it was carl morgan fowler's the character in the comics there was a swap okay it's not the same thing as what we're talking about here i guess not quite yeah i'm gonna slap him well another one um it didn't incredible too bait that it was a guy and then it was a girl um no remember that wasn't there a thing that the screen slaver was like just some pizza dude or something and like the actual big bad was the the sister of um that's kind of what i guess i mean is the it's it's like is it okay oh yeah i get you yeah um what else i know this there's more examples of the silvi uh this it's like it's low key it's a bad low key low key look it's a girl it's a girl low key we know okay yeah that wasn't yeah um i swear there are more ghosts i think was ghost one where is assumed the ghost would be well ghost is a guy in the comics it's another swap that one man that's a lot a lot there's a lot of those at this point i'm pretty sure um and then i'm seeing how to get those women man how to get those women in oh yeah my cap the marvel that was supposed to be a guy and that's a girl now um oh yeah you're right because yeah marvel was uh a guy and wasn't that the the the lady the was a friend of carol right the air force person yeah um marvel was science science lady yes yeah and that's a guy yeah the ancient one was a guy in the comics and a girl in the movies but remember the ancient one is uh that's a controversial one because the ancient one is asian oh yeah they made it white so yeah um and that feels a little bit further away from what feels like a newer era but i concede that if people wanted to it's just this it's funny to me like they keep doing this and it's just like okay it doesn't fucking add anything it doesn't really surprise anymore yeah um it's not really significant or meaningful at all and of course this film it's just taskmaster was clearly a guy and then they were like lol it's it's Olga Krilenko a girl who could challenge a stick in terms of recognition with thickness of muscle and bone like this is a russian model tinned actress like this is not someone who can fill out taskmaster as we've seen him throughout the film um so you just kind of like huh okay yeah the only reason that people suspected you did it was not because of any logical reasons it's because like people just like people were expecting it at this point yeah we just need i mean it's gonna be weird when it's just mostly women running around in all these combat zones it's just it's gonna be oh i just that's another one uh power broker everyone's kind of expecting it to be a guy and it was a girl ah right yeah they do it a lot um not to mention obviously it's Sharon Carter as well being like oh she's supposed to be a good guy um but yeah it's you know it's fine with me if you make a fucking story out of it but they never seem to uh this basically tells us that Natasha was unsuccessful in the explosion in terms of killing drake off's daughter not that she really wanted to but she's always thought she did turns out she didn't and drake off shoved a microchip and some other bullshit into it to make her subservient and also make her he just says that she can mimic abilities it's like yeah just something she can do i'm guessing it's tied to the mind control stuff i don't know i'd have to watch it again um fine okay now now you just spared nat having killed the little girl uh so and by the end of this film she obviously does something that feels that she's like redeemed the whole story we'll we'll get more to that it seems just kind of strange it's like do you want to tell her do you want to help her do you want to blah blah blah it's like almost like taunting from drake off i guess he's bored yeah um i haven't really talked about the fact that ray winston is drake off i find it cringe as fuck i couldn't uh we have saved ray winston to be like a london type villainous boss later on in mcu i make him a russian stop yeah uh yeah so she's sent off to go and get um melina and alexie while they continue their their little boss discussion uh which then leads us to finding out because she leaves and it's like well why isn't natasha killing him then she can't kill him because he can't then she tries to stab him in the dump work she should be hold chat try to stab him look can't do it oh just can't do it he reveals or rather they he reveals it and then she reveals it later in this stupid past and future clips and stuff he's got a pheromone lock this means that no one who is a widow can attack him while they can smell him why don't they just stand at a distance and like throw something at him or shoot him because she has batons she's a little electricity things in her gauntlet like why not use those after he just told you what his weakness is i'm curiously can you just drop a grenade in front of you and run the same thing what does that count as trying to kill him oh whoops i dropped it oh no i was aiming to kill myself you would just happen to be here oh no i'm gonna run so it's it's just staggering to train explain this really like you smell him and you can't kill him and he's using this as a protection thing he thinks like i'm i can't be stopped now like huh um there's a lot of ways you think you could subvert this not it's not restricted to literally plugging your nose um but malina says no it's too powerful for that like literally just being in his vicinity doesn't matter what you're doing you're done you're not gonna be able to kill him this shit is real powerful and we'll hang on to that as a statement not gonna be useful later so um she's like well you know what buddy you're pathetic and he's like what and she's like your whole organization is pathetic you're a little man who's sad about how stupid and you're ugly fat and then he punches her and then he starts to talk about how awesome he is in his evil plan and explains it in very detail big detail she couldn't a lot of detail she couldn't have given it away to him more she's like you're desperate to impress me he's like no i'm not now here's my huge plan let me impress you by telling you what i might be my plan also here let me show you how to unlock this device yeah and so he reveals the thing we've already talked about earlier it's he has a plan to take over the world question mark i'm not really clear on it honestly it's it's like we've got black widows everywhere and they're gonna do things i'm finally willing to come out of the shadows you're gonna fuck shit up okay don't don't don't really get it um but you the reason she wanted that was to get access to signing in and then get all the information and then we get yet another example so melina is like yo alexie you go fight task master and i will crash this stupid place and he's like okay i just want you to know that no matter what happens i always and then he tends to look and she's already left the room and he goes damn it's like damn movie how many times you're gonna do this all the time yeah yeah well in their defense that does sound really easy wait well sounds easy just edit your problems away yeah oh yeah uh and the thing is alexie's kind of excited and we've found out that he wants to brawl and he's been beating the shit of everybody in the prison so it's just like finally but um the fight scene is i think two major clips of him and task master is just him getting thrown around over and over again and that's it yeah sucks don't even see a fight with him it would have been really cool if he actually is fucking annoying starts out dominating task master and then task master starts learning the moves and then starts being able to counter and a different marvel movie did this it's called infinity war where hulk unloads on thanos and thanos starts to see his moves coming and then he just keeps doing counter punches until he beats him um i would have accepted that because task master's whole thing is being able to beat you by understanding your own combat and the brawn can only take you so far if you keep missing um yeah but no he just loses instantly constantly and you're just like task master wouldn't even be able to fucking look at footage of the red guy or why would he i guess right because he's he's been imprisoned for in decades or whatever it's so fucking lame but what are you gonna do he gets rescued by melena she does the the black widow signature move and pops task master into a cell yeah locks him in wow but to come back to i think we're actually at the moment oh god yeah we're about to be there now a lot of you are gonna be aware of this already um you know okay let me talk about a different frustration first he shows her all the black widows everywhere and she smiles and he goes something funny like standard fucking villain language then she goes she walks up to his table and goes thank you for your cooperation yeah tillaging this hate it line oh okay she dropped thank you for your cooperation after like almost tearing up and saying you're a monster to Loki and then explaining vaguely what she'd learned from his like different words he's confused and then before she leaves the room she goes thank you for your cooperation as a sort of like yeah i just beat you bye bye and like before loki's even fully understood it i think that's why i such an awesome scene um she does it with drakoff and like you just she didn't have to do anything he just gave it all away because he was like yes lards it out like yes this is my whole evil plan this is how to side into my console i'm gonna win like okay and so yeah she says thank you for your cooperation when she didn't do fuck all like and you can tell the writers think they were clever because they made the man angry by telling him he was pathetic i bet he didn't see that yeah we showed we showed him we showed those men good job it's like polar opposite to the loki scene because she plays the victim she allows loki to think he's like destroying her mentally she gives all the correct reactions to have feigned it i just i don't know it's just so frustrating there's so much better in a movie that came out nearly 10 years before damn man yeah anyway he says thank you for cooperation he's like just kind of confused still and i think he says what are you gonna do and uh i guess i'm gonna have to play it how can i not write oh boy hey thank you for your cooperation even if you look at the database gonna accidentally skip it totally guarantee it they do this little oceans flashback where um oh yeah they're like he has a pheromone lock how are you gonna get past it well i'm gonna get past all factory nerves which we're gonna talk about it a second you have to sever the nerve melena is like you gotta sever the nerve so i guess that's the only option i can handle this you weren't quite which is what you can accomplish by strong enough so achievement says you weren't strong enough to do it so i guess i have to it's like oh look at you he's so awesome i have to finish it myself what are you going to do i feel like that's the perfect pause just making sure the copyright this is an eager Natasha robot off so what can we say about this oh it's so fucking stupid the pheromone lock works by you smelling his particular pheromone through your nose and going into your olfactory nerves connecting directly to the old brain now if you want to be able to stop that process apparently it's valid by crushing the nerves and breaking them in the olfactory nerves and you can do that by enough force of your brain moving around in your skull that it pushes against the skull where the olfactory nerves are and crushes them and you can do that without causing yourself permanent brain damage apparently i thought she broke her nose which severed the connection between her olfactory senses and her nose to get to the brain she did also break her nose but uh the melena makes it clear you have to sever the nerves the olfactory nerves yes the olfactory nerves are quite deep in your head yes and to clarify the reason is this is the same reason why you can't just plug your nose the olfactory nerves are too fucking powerful if they even detect a hint of of of chungus then they're gonna stop you yeah so yeah i guess the thing i thought she did wait i can't the benefit of the doubt so what i thought she did was just oh man can't you just stop breathing through your nose can't you just like hold your nose well i would presume that you couldn't do that because you would still be able to smell even if you're not actively like breathing through your nose you'd still smell well you just hold your nose right you plug it out um well it would still go through your mouth and that would it would still go through your mouth so like the only healthy would be well for how long would you have to and you can't hold like how long would you have to do yeah in fairness to the movie you could try for you could try for a little bit and see if it works all it says in finish the movie she's got a plan of trying to coax his will domination plan out of him first yeah yeah all right she could have been holding her breath while he was doing that well i'm curious about the range of the pheromones because she'd go to the corner of the room and shoot him i suppose just to hammer it in though like you got this film they defeat the bad guy the bad guy's evil power is the big smell and she smashes her face on the table to defeat the big smell like what you know they could have just made him like a you couldn't have even had you could get don't have taskmaster even be in this film and just make the big bad like have him be a really powerful boss to fight why why have to do the weird fat smelly thing like just have him be like he's super strong and tough and he works out a bunch and he he's he's the one who programs the black widow training because he's a martial arts expert and i'm gonna be honest you they did not choose ray winston for his abilities to create a russian axe and they chose him because he is uh he fits a profile i would say they're gunning to create a sleazy overweight woman controlling fat guy this tight um mogul dude put him in a suit he's a madman yeah he's um i think rlm compared him to like the movie like this this sort of film could be seen as allegorical to all the shit that happened with hollywood and women like he's like a harvey winstein type um i think a couple people compare that i i don't necessarily need the comparison but i can believe that that's why they chose him maybe yeah um yeah harvey winstein a lot of people are oh yeah sorry they compared him to scorsese on um rlm but they said so they said he looks like scorsese but he could represent harvey winstein and um they i guess they think that they they buy the one who shout all over barbell yeah i was about to say maybe that's maybe that's which would be pretty funny if that was the reason when they put his picture side by side i was actually surprised i was like holy shit yeah he does kind of have the same look um of course i can tell the difference between scorsese and winston but just the way they have him look um similar yeah yeah so so this is a crazy plan uh you put yourself at risk of the the the sort of damage you have to do to get those olfactory news crushed is not something that like kills you does a guarantee but slamming your head against anything is just not a good idea no yeah like you're gonna be in incredible pain and what if you knock yourself out that would also be hilarious that would be so fucking funny that would be funny the nerve don't and she just collapsed but also what if you don't sever the nerve what if you just screw it up and like he's gonna laugh at you so fucking hard yeah could you imagine sever the nerve she tries to punch but still doesn't work and it's like he's like that's not how this worked let's not how any of this works you know the first one to try this stop it i've seen it before it's hilarious just make me laugh they all try that you know you have no idea how many desks i've gone through over the year how was the nerve not already severed from all those punches lot armor heavy fight scenes were like the one where she's falling down on the vents like she hits she slams her head hard twice on the way down well yeah that should yeah that should have severed her nerve every time there's a lot of nerves severed a lot of nerves hey look yeah the bullet should have severed a lot of nerves vlc has an a to b format thing i don't even have to this isn't me this is vlc's doing it now i can just enjoy this in the background oh boy oh yeah i've seen people comment by the way on the editing of this so they show they have shot of her then it goes to wide shot then zoom in shot then different zoom in shot and then back yeah oh that looks pain i don't that like legit looks painful to watch i'm not i'm not watching anymore it like i feel like i just i can't get over the hilarity of it my main hero fucking smashes their face across the desk to win the day it's so funny i'm holding my nose and like anticipation of an attack against my nose that isn't gonna actually come but i just uh more the copyright no you wouldn't get copyright for this no why would you want to copyright this why would you want to claim responsibility for this oh but but yeah like it's really stupid like it's fucking stupid just watching it on screen and she's doing this specifically because she wants to kill drake off right this is the plan now i have a counter suggestion i have a an offer what if hang it what if don't look rags you'll be fine what if we have uh the plan involve releasing alexi from the cell and getting him to this room immediately and then having him kill drake off a little revenge well so first of all it's character motivated secondly he's not a widow so the pheromone lock won't work on him and thirdly that would be smart and you won't have to fucking break your face what if he was gay and the pheromone lock did work on him that's how it works but maybe yeah when he was in prison he turned gay and now the pheromone lock works on him oh spence said for fuck's sake school says he never shat all over the mcu guys grow up yes he did yeah he did um yeah absolutely by the way we should all over the mcu by the way but he had a really bad argument in favor of it he was just saying it's like oh it's like an amusement park it's like that's a really that's pretty vapid actually super reductive for a lot of the hard work that some of these uh people some of the mcu movies are well constructed with great character work yeah i'll just say it's um it's indicative of your perception if you can't even tell the difference between something like black widow and something like i don't know guidance of the galaxy um just saying yeah it's like implied that that doesn't ragnarok they're not like they don't have originality or anything and of course saying it's not cinema it's called the marvel cinematic universe like i don't like i i i i really hate the term cape shit so do i actually yeah i really don't like it because it lumps all of these together like oh it's about superheroes it must be a really dumb stupid movie it's like no there's really really good ones don't lump them all together saying they're not cinema it's just like you would literally holding up a side saying i am pretentious it's like don't make it so easy and i make prick um and this is funny because like again we shit on the mcu more than most people we just want to recognize when they do well and just because it's got a fucking superhero in it doesn't mean it can never be good that's retarded and um as a filmmaker you should be better than that yeah it almost feels like it's weird that you would yeah and to be honest with you because like you know ending it with grow up it's like don't you think that applies to him um and i be curious to know that it's all cinema he's the one who's saying no some of it isn't because i don't like it how is that more grown-up thing to say rags you unironically think joker is better than a taxi driver i'm not sure i can take your opinion on this seriously it's great but not that great joker is easily better than taxi driver it's not even close you're like if someone says it's an impossibility and anyone who says so is like automatically wrong but i don't know it's like hmm i mean taxi driver's reputation is obviously gonna put it in that position but a lot of people are just like unable to even consider that's a possibility it's funny because i know that most people in chat would enjoy joker more than they would taxi driver it's just like oh yeah i think it's better better movie um taxi drivers overrated i'm sorry well you don't want chat you can fight over that for a bit um because the funny thing i just think it's really overrated i think it has a huge advantage of it came out a long time ago and a lot of people i think it's kind of developed this sort of prestige that i think has over gone past what i think it deserves which i guess is interesting to think about in terms of movies because when i rewatch when i when i watch citizen kane for like the first time i was really impressed by it yeah i was actually really liked it a lot and when people say that's like the best movie ever i sit there and i'm like you know what i i get it like i would yeah i the best but i really get it i can see why they say that yeah and i guess that might be because i haven't seen taxi driver yet like that may be the same for that movie too where it's like watch definitely it's definitely i have no doubt that it's great i guess i'm just interested in like the the examples of films where it's like well it was influential but like other films have done what it did better like afterwards that happens sometimes too it's cool says he never said they could not be good he said that superhero movies sorry i need the quote theme park rides rather than all two stories that could only be told through the medium yeah and he's wrong that's not hold is absolutely wrong i need to quote i need to quote because like i'm i feel like people are not being are not like saying the all right let's read it out in full um uh i'm tired you know um but uh when he was asked to be seen marvel movies but that's not cinema honestly the closest i can think of them as well made as they are with actors doing the best they can under their circumstances it's theme parks it isn't the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional psychological experiences to another human being that last sentence is categorically wrong wrong you can't actually say that that's correct if you said that's correct you're you're actually kind of being dishonest or you're incredibly stupid like other example right you go um this is that contrarian streak among the e-fab gang joke is better than taxi driver lol for christ sake it's like really take a step back you've just accused us of lying like just because we want to be contrarian you think we don't all you think rags doesn't think the joker is better than taxi driver like what do you want him to do you you're literally telling him you're just lying to yourself it's like no rags thinks this this is what his position is i hadn't watched damn close to back to back for our e-faps where we covered all of the movies before we watched uh taxi driver which is all right uh king of comedy which i like quite a bit i really like king of comedy um we're never really here and um i think there was a fourth one we watched oh yeah calm down yeah yeah we watched those four movies in preparation for um watching joker because it constantly gets saying oh this is just the uh the movie it was like the most was uh was the king of comedy by by easily most like king of comedy i feel like um that's funny by the way i've never actually had to take the i generated specifically because everyone else said something else it's not someone i've done uh tunes out we just have a standard that's pretty hard for a lot of mainstream movies to actually attain but it shouldn't be but it is um you can make the mistake of being like you guys are just contrarian by saying that taxi driver isn't better than joker so like yeah i mean you're just an elitist i guess you're like i'm getting a little hung up on like like yeah the mc is not good at the moment and like if you took it as an overall it's not great but it doesn't matter if you have the correct conclusion if your reasoning is totally wrong like if you say it isn't these movies aren't about people conveying emotional experiences to one another it's like that's just not true so i don't care that you have the same conclusion as me just a really bad way to get to that point yeah i dreamed that fucking cactus told me that the moon orbits the earth and that's how i know yeah like that's it doesn't matter whether you're correct but that's i feel like i feel like you could also believe a lot of very weird things based on that criteria and information delivery i don't know to me this this sounds like as as sort of wrong as like saying the video like what was it roger even saying video games can never be artists like that's just a really wrong statement well you'll find people desperately reinterpret the statement because it's so wrong you'll be like uh no no what he meant what he meant was it's not oh no what no because he's the great martin's corsese yeah i mean he just hey just because he makes great movies doesn't mean he's always gonna have good takes on like like these topics yeah not to mention um what was the last mc movie he saw what ones have you seen well yeah that would be my question is like which ones did you see how many of them did you see if you saw less than like 10 of them or 20 percent then it's like i don't know you haven't seen like enough of this as a series to judge it as a whole there is one aspect of cinema your standards unfortunately often omits symbolism and hidden meanings there is more to a movie's writing than the script how long how are you new so i could never think of what i read stuff like that yeah oh yeah yeah we constantly get new people uh who cycle in um we absolutely appreciate hidden meanings and we appreciate thematics and we appreciate all of that really cool symbolism and metaphor we really do we do like that but you can't for it okay um i is tlj just going to be the go-to example of a theme that is well put it back and back to back with the father yeah yeah so they're both movies that have crazy amounts of thematic like relevance in terms of all the script one of them we conclude is thematically broken the other one we think is thematically sound as fuck yeah um themes can be executed poorly you can have a theme of a movie and the actual scenes dialogue the character era just actively work against the theme and contradict it because comparison would be like the the room to the hospital in the father it's like it's symbolic of a part of his brain that's locked off like a memory so the fact that i use the word it's like do you really think we never mention what something might be symbolic of weird to me that you think that take uh batman vs superman you have that fucking picture on lex luther's wall and i'm like no no i i get it i get i get the symbolism it's hard it's barely even symbolism at that point because x knight is a 14 year old but no superman with the arms out when he like he leaves the crypt on the ship right it's symbolism it's like yeah no i do like the idea like you guys are missing that it's like we're not missing that nobody's missing that yeah there was someone put out a movie recently about like what you don't understand about like batman vs superman something like that and i was really tempted to put in a comment that was just essentially like no no no we get it there's nothing to not get we get it i promise we understand zack we i promise we're picking it all up yeah so my issue isn't whether or not you pick one is the superior to the other my issue is when you say you think one of them is superior you just that's just we all know you're lying we all know that's wrong we all know it's just it's just true we all know like oh um do you know when this happened last when we put out a video called which is better or something spider man far from home or winter soldier and all of the fucking top comments were like why is this a conversation everyone knows the answer yeah yeah it turns out you're fucking wrong yeah because they didn't apply their standard to that movie consistently like they should or they were operating off of memory that gets filtered over time um those you know crazy levels of bias yeah winter soldier garbage um and it's and i'm tired of pretending it's not but also i mean what what what why is this a conversation oh if you're not interested you can like not watch that's cool but you know for the conversation that is happening then yeah it's happening i also think you should and then you can look at if you want probably appreciate too that um whenever you roll out the whole you guys's perspective doesn't account for blah blah blah when you think your movie's getting shat on remember that it applies for all the ones you've shat on without a format it's like tlj's sitting there like well yeah yeah you guys don't look at the symbolism very much do you have you looked at kylo's blade do you know what that represents you know like oh so you can have a really cool symbolism in your shitty movie yeah just having cool references to things in your movie that's either figurative of something else or is symbolic of something else that could be really nifty it's like it's like good graphics in a video game that's that it's it's great to have on top of good gameplay and well-designed mechanics oh my god but it's a cat you're being so cringe look at this i've been watching efat for ages entertaining sometimes smart it's still an echo chamber i remember them literally going full ad homonym against the lord the rings hater guy so what we're literally arguing with with you how was that now right now i guess he means within the cast um but you you may be a literally lost efat there was like three significant arguments with the cast um yeah we have arguments a lot and what do we need to do if we agree with each other on something it's an echo chamber for you agree and plus like we use the same standard and we apply it pretty darn well so if you have three people who are using the same standard and we will often independently as we watch things by ourselves and whatnot come to the same conclusions about things i feel like that either speaks highly of the standard or our ability to adhere to it and then going full ad homonym against the lord the rings hater guy full ad homonym we've never done that we don't rags refer oh this is the guy who's comment you just read out uh it's the idiot he said he said rags refers to efap as we like a political party what what i referred to efap as we because it's literally it's like three maybe as a group so yeah so let's talk about collectives or groupings or categories apparently we're gonna have to go that far back um chat actually refers to all of you in there okay but sometimes it doesn't depending on the context of the sentence and if any of you ever say we in chat blah blah blah i am gonna now say you're a political party chat 2024 and what if what if it was um what about rags refers to efap as we like a family rags refers to efap as we like um uh group of friends or we as a dutch dutch dutch like all of those political parties it's we of course it's we i don't understand the confusion are they're not mad advocate they're not normally like this i swear to god you're embarrassing i was starting to get worried um yeah and uh i like the whole ad ad hom thing too because um we don't typically ever do this person's argument is bad because they're stupid like i don't think we've ever really done it yeah we get we also give what we get um i guess if if they're talking about cinematic venom um then in his original lord of the rings video he was pretty he was he was prodden he was poking a problem so we did the same there was many i think uh street forward deliveries of like how uh the people who like lord of the rings are kind of stupid or sheeple yeah and you know she it's not to say that like um we have the right to say what we would i'm just saying like well no i just mean we've never we don't typically do ad hom in it that's just not something we do um we really so for example if if fringy was to just randomly be like you can tell from looking at this guy they don't need to take the argument seriously they're all going to be wrong because he's so fucking ugly have you like dude what are you talking about yeah um we don't get enjoyment out of doing that anyway like we like breaking down the arguments we don't let go it you're wrong because you're ugly or stupid or fat or you come from a particular place like nah shit um but yeah insults and ad-homs are different things and i always feel like people call insults ad-homs to sound smarter when in fact they just reveal it the cringiness yeah well ad-hom is like strong man over-sided yeah if we if we counter your argument and also make fun of your weird fucked up nose that's not an ad-hom that's just we also insulted you this one wilson do video essays oh wow wow wow um so yeah i guess in conclusion tell us about your video essays in conclusion rex thanks joker is better than taxi driver and he's not actually lying and he's not doing it to fight a narrative he literally watched the movies and that's how he felt i'm so sorry that's what you felt well that's i imagine you'd say that's what you know it's yeah it is what i know i have a pretty highly justifiable level of confidence in the things that i saw but that's right i'm sure it was all hallucinating well i mean you know it's worth mentioning i think the joke is fucking fantastic um yeah it is so we shouldn't shock anybody but the fact that it gets shot on because it's a part of cape shit it's like no no right there but man so we don't like you don't like genre related like as far as i'm concerned i don't like genre related discussion all that much at all um it's certainly not argumentation that's based around genres genres is like it should be super meta and descriptive about something not you know so i'm i'm never that keen to talk about genres as if that's gonna have a huge impact on discussion um yeah uh not a political party just wanted to make sure that was clear what considerate that way well yeah i wouldn't want to rule it out i don't yeah i'll come who knows what the plans for e-fap are yes so anyway um this is the thing with with this third act we've probably covered mo yeah so where i was i was up to when melina decides because she can't take it down from the control room she will walk into the turbine room shoot a grenade launcher shot into a turbine and just bring the whole place down let her do and that somehow works it's incredible they don't shoot it down and drake off didn't think that this is something she could do he just thought oh she'll go through the vent and i hope she doesn't do anything i guess it's like at what point do you kill people yeah just shoot her but then they don't and that is an opportunity to blow up the thing and they all die but she lives she's a little grapple hook she went up where they all just died and from this point on the whole of the red room facility is just gonna explode all of it not just this area the whole thing starts exploding parts where there aren't any fans or anything the whole thing yeah and part of what interests me about that as well is um doesn't seem to give a fuck that she tells them it's like uh i've begun to bring it down like i saw it she basically just says while she's like it's not a it's not a controlled landing no she should be very concerned and the last line we get from her is when she's on the the jet and alexa gets on you go she says something like what about the girls like it's not to me like compensation from the writers because i feel like if she truly cared about them she would have found them first or she would have tried to contact them she's on a fucking receiver with uh uh yelena right yes so yeah bullshit she doesn't actually care about them she went without them alexi happened to be along the way because she went back to the cell and then they got out and then they were like oh the girls made it whoo yay i knew you would pretend it and yeah um alexi is straight up about to be executed with a little pop out e-blade that's gonna go down it's pretty much um he's being beaten by a normal woman like just a normal person and he's a super soldier remember he's a man who can kick open like thick as fuck steel doors he jumped like seven feet in the air when he needed to climb up to the top he's super strong by the way can you look can you just look at the stance is this not a really awkward way to yeah what's your leg doing there what are you doing with your leg i sometimes wonder how this can even happen in like when they're filming because this isn't CGI this is you doing it don't you feel awkward as fuck yeah and don't you say hey like not not it's really awkward yeah as i already mentioned like we could have this whole thing where it dominates in the beginning and we have like a fight and things and then task master learns all the stuff as mentioned why doesn't he use a knife like punch through that glass it's doesn't matter why doesn't task master have controls why can't task master contacts want to be like i'm stuck in the fucking cell someone release me yeah uh i mean like with the super strength that task master has been shown to have like it shouldn't be that much of an issue to like well if a lexicon do it either again yeah which is weird i my mind has a hard time accepting that the metal vault style door on the prison he could just kick away with a huge force and it's not an issue for him but he can't punch his way out of itself so i haven't actually seen this before because i never slowed it down but i've always been curious she's about to kill drake off with her ice pick thing and then something happens and it's like grappling hook it like goes into her back and then it just gets it comes back out again like that would hurt or alternatively rip big chunks of your flesh out if that's what happened what what did it grab on to i guess it went into her i think that's what i think that's what it's about yeah because that we've seen the hook before i'm going to do a little quick drawing of kind of what it looks like this is going to be an expert drawing okay we've seen it attach things i see i think we've seen it mainly um the very visually clearance uh winter soldier she uses it it's got a little cross uh in terms of how it digs in um and i think she used in this when she does the leg grapple thing and i think they want us to believe that they fired the cross at her it hooked into it and then it hooked back out and she drew it back like okay this is kind of a weird thing when i saw i was a little bit confused like is she what has happened to her now is she okay or uh okay because obviously oh she cuts it there you go so it is sticking into her oh man oh yeah imagine it's so hard that it can pull you back it's probably not going to pull you back it'll just chair it you chunky you chunky you maybe like if it goes in and then opens up at the end or nah man you're you're in a lot of trouble there well so i think it did dig into her and she just cut it so that it is stuck in it it's stuck in her all the way to the end of the film and she manages to or no or does it get removed later on when they save all the widows and they chop it out well i i don't know that there was time right because like what i'm yeah it looks like they do actually yeah there's yelena rips it out later on oh so that was in her for the whole fight yeah while she was fighting all these widows who all stand there slowly tackle one on one this is the the virgin will say you can't know how deep that is but the Chad will say she was pulled along the floor yeah that must have been in there as deep as what that's holding on to in there well geez why would you have it be like that just wrap it around her just just have them run an and tackle her from behind or they they grappling hook like they throw a rope around her just fire an electric thing that makes it go yeah they have yeah except that's what happens in this fight they all stand really far away i hadn't gone to that yet that's also stupid they all attack her close like they've all got projectile electronic weapons and they all decide to attack her fists one by one i guess it's epic to have natasha fighting an army of black widows even though they should kick her ass because it's one on like 20 well it's one on 20 they've all just come away they were literally training just now like these are these are peak black widows they're all younger than they even warmed up already yeah you know and plus there's like 30 of them yeah but they all decide not to just grab her all at the same time it's chill yeah like you should be none of them have guns and while she stunned you just beat the shit out of her none of them have guns here so that's that's cool no black widows don't use guns it's really not a good fight at all like it's it's actually pretty poorly so he says and i don't know how much this this helps the film he says uh don't let her leave the room alive make her suffer so someone could argue they're not trying to kill her they're trying to you could make her suffer by pinning her down and like stabbing her a thousand times that yeah that's what i was saying just doing it in a lot of ways yeah i think no matter what they're not doing this efficiently they're doing it in the least efficient way possible they're punching her like just a bunch and kicking her then the thing happened um yeah and i guess people probably see this as an awesome moment uh i'm pretty sure we thought it was like oh no for a very complex reason so uh what's it face yelena throws in the vials attached to a flashbang they all explode and they all get cleared of their mental systems now problem with that is the whole reason she said she needed to get it to tony stark was to replicate and understand it right like we need someone to replicate this and it's funny because i didn't even catch this on my first watch through but i did on subsequent ones this is incredibly lucky basically what she wants to do is detonate them all and then we find two on the floor that can suffice for replication she didn't know that was going to happen so melina just melina tossed all of these in the room without thinking i might i should probably save one wouldn't have worked then it's uh she's lucky because you see this explosion apparently two vials survived this i guess yeah doesn't look like it but okay um so yeah she blew them all up which is very out of character for yelena when she knows that there are an army of black widows throughout the world who are suffering the shit that she was and we've lost the widow that apparently synthesized this the one that we killed in the beginning um so you have to hang on to one of those and she just throws them all like damn so they're all saved you know that's lucky that's nice yeah and they're all very well adjusted and they immediately are like now and they'll just go to a like a jet and they escape that's the last we see them until the end that's the last we see with them and this whole face of the mcu maybe you never know no no this is like they would have been very useful in endgame oh you're right yeah yeah because in phase three era yeah yeah this is phase three era yeah they would have been useful they were fighting with captain marvel on a different planet idiots oh oh shit what a wow they they don't get anything to feel for for this long and go to outer space damn that's some life-changing shit right there so then a lot of things happen real quick um she uses the ring that she stole off drake off while she was i guess beating him up to sign in because she saw perfectly exactly what he swatted swipe he used and what thing he typed in then it puts in like a little special kind of usb that i guess malina gave her and she downloads the locations and names of every black widow um then she pockets two vials that happen to be on the ground which is the exact amount she needs for everything she's going to be doing and then she breaks her nose back into place and she looks perfect they look perfect throughout this whole movie for all the damage that they take they're just looking stellar all the time in between scenes they're getting touched up with that makeup to make them just look lovely and brilliant as explosions are happening and they're getting flung over cars and in horrific accidents and they're fleeing for their lives they just look they just look great movie poster ready at any moment but they make fun of how black widow does a pose which is kind of a little ironic and then she does it and isn't that funny it's so funny so she picks up the little thing and yeah like i said there they are just sitting on the floor pretty incredible they survived the detonation but what are you gonna do the two vials and you might be thinking does an audience have a way why two why wouldn't it just be one well you're about to find out why they pick up two in just a moment for sure the thing that i'm straight after is where everything starts exploding and then yeah now it jumps out the window oh we have so this kind of CGI like people yeah start to wonder it's like was this rushed because it just doesn't you how was it rushed she had an x for a year yeah it's weird i don't know maybe they had and you had so much money they had deadlines anyway maybe i don't know like and even if they had more time that you couldn't use it so like just that moment they already feels like she's probably dead but okay then you get this shot this one here is it looks so video gamey look at that green screening there and the explosions look worse than the explosions in like Grand Theft Auto 5 and that game's like eight years old so i love that she had guns the whole time when she yeah she didn't kill drake of that way she just threatened to hit him with an ice pick how did she get her guns back i thought she yeah whatever it's it's fine whatever so yeah this looks like fire hurts just fyi um no but she's fine she's jumping out of the fortress by the way so for any of you uh eagle eyed viewers you might be like so she's dead yeah what are you gonna grab on certainly yeah if you look very carefully but no because she very cleverly knew that her arms were just were made out of titanium yeah man she's fine i'm gonna grab that no problemo how did you know that was there how was she lucky enough to her arms didn't fall off oh when you fall 10 when you man that was like she fell about eight or nine floors like a lot of a lot of force to reference i'm pretty sure that with human beings it becomes a 50 50 chance that you're gonna die if you fall four stories like that that is just the average that it's a 50 50 chance that you're gonna die at that point yeah imagine falling nine stories and being able to grab on we're not fantastic at falling great distances as humans we go splat yeah why is everything exploding yeah yeah yeah so then natasha decides to jump back into the building that is explode look how funny that is as an image it's like oh gotta get it before i explode you gotta go bigger and batter and so yeah barely just in time right over that flame cloud and now that goes in that building a bit and so she's in and it's funny because yeah the explosion is just spreading everywhere and everything's just nobody knows why there's tnt everywhere it's horrifying um oh i guess we need to find out yeah so alexi and and melina they get on there a little bit i don't remember if this is the action scene for them because my god is it funny um just setting up to leave because they she's like i said she's got the shoulder pad things as well but the the guy characters typically don't because their shoulders are all fucking huge anyway especially someone like alexi um it's just like a design for the costumes but only for the women in the film it's um it's a strange one so this fucking thing it's just everything's blown up falling apart and exploding why why is just it starts falling apart and then it explodes so we just alexi looked out the back and he saw three guys running toward him which is like huh and then it doesn't matter because they're falling off the platform anyway it's like oh god will they make it oh no and um rachel why is he gonna be like gonna have to charge up that jet before you crash land and it'll be one of them like who we did it you know starting up the vehicle as it's falling it's like nice unfortunately for them the the guys who they saw earlier are like the most die hard fucking assassins you've ever seen in your life and they like like this is the thing the action of this scene is just can she start it up before they hit any significant debris or hit the ground and they do and you're like yay we did it but it gets so weird because like that's not the end of the drama it's a good for you that you've done that good for you you're dodging all the debris look at them here they are what do you what can you say what are you doing you're flying and then two of them get hit by debris as they're falling one of them lands on the plane and is fine enough that he can like sort of reposition himself and start shooting and it's like oh you're dead you just fell like 30 feet you can't there that was not 30 feet like 300 really really want to kill them they really do it's like their whole existence how much does it get paid yeah he's dead yeah yeah the one that lands on the plane is not stationary it's like flying up to it's like flying up towards you so that's even more what are these guys are they gonna get expected they're like yeah i'm gonna get a big bonus if i fucking jump like i love the one that was like are these robots are these cyborg no idea no idea but the speed in which he comes in on that jet boom he's dead this is like i would have got him i'm gonna fucking get him and look at the way that he fell he would have slipped right off what does he grab it on to it looks like his is his foot is embedded into the windscreen and that's what made him stay that's gonna yeah wow that's a shitty windscreen yeah i feel like those are designed to maybe be really really really durable yeah if he's if he's going at a speed that smashes him through he's so fucking dead can they breathe up there i wouldn't i'd have to look at google for that one but alexi throws the taskmaster shield and this is where it gets real funny why is it why is it here damn look at that shot of him throwing it through that was a tough shot alexi made it damn so it hits him and i almost need to play this again do you see that logistics wise like what is happening here wait what um let's try this again i will definitely you have to go so slowly because everything happens so quickly why is taskmaster's shield in here anyways well you took it with him um which to be honest with you you know i probably would so look at this legendary throw first of all he has to get it through like past this past this past that through the glass and the width of the shield makes it so that is a tough throw it even bounces a little bit that is a very very tough throw now look at this angle oh dude the man who had to do the vfx on this shit so it smashes through the windscreen at this guy and he bounces forwards how i don't where did the she had to come out of i'm so curious yeah he was he was stuck because his leg was in the window and i guess it knocked him off i yeah he's he's got it he's not gonna get in his hand that's impressive not good oh it's gone no it's back it's back in his oh it's back in his hand unfortunately he falls onto the and it falls off again and then it's the the the tail fin thing he breaks that whole tail of the plane oh boy so yeah see that whole bit it lasts like 30 seconds and it's so fucking hilarious the whole thing is complete nonsense but yeah so um they start spinning we don't know what's gonna happen to him we'll come back to him later now we're back to black widow running through this this like whole corridor that's blowing up and setting on fire and you might think to yourself like what is going to happen here she's going to jump out the other end and fall to the the place she needs to go maybe she finds like a she's looking for a parachute she's going to need one of them but no something falls on here from the ceiling crashes her through the floor by the way she survives all this just fine oh fuck i forgot about that oh my god how are you alive you are the average evening between debris and the floor debris on top of her and so she's like oh what a tough world i live in oh what are the odds yeah pretty low i'd imagine i have to think of the facility as big as this this is phenomenal wow it's like hey yeah hey uh so are we cool it's like no we're not cool um yeah so she obviously feels guilty about task managers so she's gonna release the the cell and it's kind of a weird scene because there's clearly like loads of aggression even punches the wall i think or something she's like eh look i'm sorry please come on it's like dude the place is falling apart this person's mind controlled to kill you time for this you haven't got any these appeals won't work do you understand like this i'm just thinking she does have flump juice right but i assume she thinks that the flume juice won't work if the mask is on yeah which is probably fair so yeah i guess you wouldn't want to wait you know how do you breathe what do you how do you breathe then i guess the mask you could think it's a respirator of some kind uh maybe yeah sure when you have two vials i can understand you don't want to take that risk yeah true um so yeah they're about to have the battle just risk though you know well yeah see i think this is really stupid but i guess someone would argue that this is entirely in character she feels guilty okay it's like yeah but this is mind controlled to kill you okay anyway this is the showdown guys the final battle here we go oh well yeah this movie's pretty nuts huh like come on come on and plus something flings her over off the floor through yeah what i'm like how are you are you invincible she's the black knight i'm invincible it's yeah every the writer's hand is throughout this with her ice picks through the metal fucking floor yeah and it doesn't work for all this time but then it works right at the end well yeah like it doesn't you can't just pick an ice pick into a metal floor all of a sudden have it drag along oh and how convenient this part is too well so she's here i'm just making sure i understand so dead if she goes down there this whole facility whatever the fuck this is it just moves over here yeah like and i'm not saying it moves um in a way that the film like didn't even it like the film shows it spinning and it moves all the way over there and it's just like oh and then of course black widow lands down there and yeah wow that okay and it's also the one that your liner is on that one there not all the other flap the only other being on well and something else it's the one that like widow it's the one that drakoff's on as well drakoff hasn't left yet um melena lexy have left it's been ages since drakoff was in his office he still hasn't left all of the black widows have left yep with all the with all the parts falling off of the station you think that one engine might actually be able to keep it afloat now maybe yeah it's it weighs so much less because so much of it has fallen off the one engine's like oh okay i think i could do this i think i got this actually oh all right well the liner's right yeah look it's moving yep there she goes safe now it's time for the big showdown yeah just remember so to make sure people understand it's almost like a spoiler but it's fine if someone were to be here and everyone in here notices that's a pretty easy shot my dude just yeah that would be if this were to happen you know even if and it's not like just a second ago we saw that this thing is fucking packed full of people full of god well she has to walk past the place that you board and you would be looking you have to do that in front of all of them oh this part look at that CGI look at how that also that grappling hook is not going to move you like that it's not it's just going to pull your arm it's not going to pull you to where yeah and you're not going to go up you're not going to go up like your body still has mass you're going to swing underneath the wing i don't think she has a stick there anywhere sorry i oh does she have the stick on her that she uses to blow up i don't see a stick somewhere the thing is the stick is just pulled out of it back and then it's just becomes huge how they do it that's cool like she's where is it well there's clearly nothing on her back you guys can see that let's see if she does pull out of it back yeah she's got nothing on her um it's like a video game inventory she's had her pick up a piece of you're right no yeah that's nothing yeah oh she pulls it from his side just pick not her back she pulls it from the side oh the left side okay did she have that on her left side let's well i'm gonna i just want i want the frame of her pulling it a sec come on film gimme there's like nothing there it doesn't have to be you just have to believe oh i think it's in like one of her whites or something yeah well so it's quite this is quite obvious when she's pulling it um you guys have a shot of it earlier yes there is one from earlier yeah because that's it's hard to miss that one mm-hmm i like what i'm watching the screen because of the delay i get the screenshot and discord and then i get to see how we got that screenshot um a little backstory to the screenshot a little little convenient but you know this film at this point a little convenience is is better than anything everyone's here everyone is here drake why are they waiting for yeah what are they waiting for they're waiting for her to destroy them well yeah they wait about they wait a solid uh 20 seconds just to like let her blow them up yeah drake i was literally like shoot her none of them shoot at her they just all look around like oh no i should have made control after all this guy this guy this looks as if he's about to shoot it like what do some cute he's aiming at her right now do it man shoot the one you know one of you can like get out of this veto and like just run out and get a really good angle and shoot her and then get back on you good yeah if she blows you up look how many there are look at them they're all aiming what's going on guys do something so disappointed all of you there just shoot they're all just like what what dude she's standing there for like 20 seconds well yeah remember we would just shown that now we get this she's realizing Natasha's there and Tasha no offense scarlet but man not just the CGI i'm not a fan of a delivery here either oh yeah it's terrible don't do it no this was not bad but still no yeah the background is so fake so yeah they could have shot her this whole time they just don't but so this is not they're not shooting so this is very sad i want i do want people to take this a bit more seriously this is a very sad moment our hero's sister has decided the in the pursuit of revenge she will even kill herself to get the bad guy so when a chat points out rightfully how can they hear each other good point yeah so this is really sad i would like now oh it's very if you guys to pay respects to Yelena only if you think she's good yeah i'm gonna see all of you in chat get tricked watch it you're gonna type F and you're gonna be like i think she's a great character um i guess i'll play it so you guys can see it then we'll do it in slow mo all right here we go so uh many people have many thoughts about this now you know i gotta imagine that if you're standing within like a ruler's length of an explosion that big you're not just gonna float backwards like an angel you're gonna be very very you're going to become an angel yes you will become an angel instantly you're dead you're dead this there's no defense that one is like explosions need to mean something she's right next to it and it just blows her off of it instead of you're dead it's not even just that it's um like it would kill her and she looks awful it looks really bad yeah this movie looks particularly fake it does it really does look bad this one very artificial feeling about this movie i i can't believe i i guess i can't believe this movie it's too fake looking yeah i don't i don't believe any of this happened like this is all not real this is yeah like i said this was like a this this is parallel to the to the prequel movies problems the third one less so but part especially the first two prequels where the CGI was looks it looks so bad for so much of it that it's just like just so obviously that the act is on where they are sort of thing yeah yeah but yeah this one just nobody believes she survives this look at that look at that shot i mean you guys may have seen this shot from the the thumbnail but her legs were in the explosion literally not burnt to a crisp yeah you died you died many times it's caught up with her yet yeah and of course shrapnel as well and just like all of the pressure involved she's just dead well the main thing is the shockwave will like turn you into jelly like there is not a single thing in you that isn't broken or mush but it's okay she's like is that a wire like do you well some people say you can spot the wire in this scene um on her right shoulder kind of under like i feel like for just a moment i i could see the part because you can kind of see on her where her vest is kind of lifted up a bit mm-hmm but i think early on there was just a little flash of that black wire i don't think i mean it's what we roll back a bit watch her so her right shoulder kind of where her vest tens up right there i think yeah i think i saw it like a like for a frame or two you could see it a little bit because i didn't spot it but i know the people have said that you can see it i might just be missing it yeah i don't know um but yeah that's the end of drakoff because oh those guys don't get blown out like a little angel they are demons and then as soon as that happens there's a fucking parachute just sitting right there sitting there yeah yeah for that to grant and then she dives off wait can we just before we go past this is the flames knock off his glasses for some reason oh yeah glasses yeah what the fuck it's such a weird little like he's dead like that's his that's his signature thing it's like um it's like raiders of the lost art when you have the little nazi insignia in the dust yeah except for him it's just his glasses except they're normal glasses and that's not really a signature thing you know yeah parachute look it's just going to say right there the first frame of the new scene and if we got to appreciate films this way like we all watched it this slowly and we were like wait what is this like that is a parachute and blackboard was going to grab that in order to help save assist usually like why was there doesn't look like a parachute i think i agree but i just love how it's it's such a drop from the writers it's literally just placed it's like it's like a health up that because you lost so many times yeah yeah the game is waiting for you being it's that mario is in the pop-up after you die five times like his invincibility all right you can but yeah she she grabs that and then dives and free falls down and saves you lana like holy by the way this is incredibly complex because the other has been falling longer um which means she's going to be picking up falling a while but also the because she's flimpy like her arms and legs roll like it's going to be hard to know exactly how she's going to be moving around and then there's the debris everywhere like this is this is going to be falling like a rag doll this is going to be really tough you know what you you can't help but try and compare it to as much impossible fallout the fucking excellent yeah because it was i'm pretty sure filmed for real it was yeah and it was like really difficult to do it because it's really difficult we're not we're not birds we don't fly we're not really good at like falling for one time no cgi in the well there probably was cgi in that especially for the lightning i just meant like the the the nature of the falling stuff yeah yeah so for some reason they decided to toss this in she happens to fall through a fucking just falling jet i guess slams into it umbles man her back must be so fucked wait why not just fly through it why did you have to tumble and roll how do you roll gravity is not pulling you down to the floor oh man now the other thing and i only just realized this i was like why wouldn't you put the jet the the pack on before jumping down it's like well maybe you want to save every single second it's like why hasn't you put it on now and it's like well because if she puts it on grabs yelena and activates it and they both land that could work and someone might not be able to catch up to them or find them or get them well i was gonna say it if you're writing it so the taskmaster comes in then you need it so that yelena has the pack on because she can kick her away and then they can have a fight i would i would say though i would maybe in the field now they weren't the fucking thing about this but you might want to wait until you've cleared the shrapnel field before you release the parachute yeah yeah i feel like now they they obviously weren't thinking about that the people who wrote this are idiots but that would be if this was a better designed movie black widow would be probably have the presence of mind to be like oh there's shit everywhere i don't want to get my parachute all fucked up by this you know metal and everything flying i gotta get clear and try to steer out of it before i open this parachute looking at this landscape it's gonna be tough to get clear of it before hitting the ground yeah it's true but the further away you get the better chance you get as everything disperses sure um there was a serious risk of getting hit by shrapnel yeah she yeah she just misses it yeah how does she fall like she should be falling uncontrollably like she should not be falling with her back to the ground and her arms in the air she should be like rolling around and tumbling it should be wild and unpredictable yeah it's hard to do what she's doing when you're conscious like to try and let oh it's like black and doing wow blown off yeah that would hurt um but but then they deploy the parachute and the best part taskmaster is coming he's flying down to him i think because i've been so bombarded by insanity that when i saw like i feel like a lot of people know it's coming but even they just can't possibly make sense like how could tat so she released taskmaster he fell in a different area of the building he then caught up he saw this and what like how could this possibly down to fight them insane why and of course the big i mean this is this is obviously the big floor right but if taskmaster had just deployed her parachute she could have just let nat fall to her death because she has no fucking parachute she would have died it's crazy it's such a uh this is where the game becomes god of war right because yeah running down all this debris taskmaster pulls out the sword as he's falling to chase a falling natash and you're just like what are we doing are we about to get cutie shooting her the other guards why they come from the facility they were shooting they're doing it you just let her fall this bit though i thought that what we were gonna get here was natasha slides onto this thing and maybe stabs like a a boot knife into the ground so it stabilizes and he uses his sword and they fight on this thing this thing of debris as it falls through the sky like that would be epic what an insane fucking thing that's even happening anyway these people are so big and massive that they're destroying this thing as they like he's like taskmaster as she slides down these panels they get all ripped up and fucked up yeah and i'm like what are you there's movies where you turn your brain off there's movies where you need brain damage yeah pretty much and as fringy just pointed out yeah had taskmaster not tackled her she'd be dead yeah she would have just plummeted to the ground she had no parachute the only reason she lived is because you tackled her so like wow why why are you doing this how through that okay yeah rags at this point you just add in like one more piece of plot armor to this and also like plot armor this question why is she doing this why is she trying to kill her like what what's you're not what do you say why is she trying to kill her which way are you why why is task so like taskmaster so drakoff's dead all of the equipment for like the specific constructions being given to people that's gone so what are your what what's your goal here are you just gonna kill her i guess i guess even if it's just like a remnant of a command yeah i guess but then what's the plan you know like what are you gonna do after that how did you fall from above i have i i said there why didn't they just get an actual parachute spread it out and then drag her with the parachute just attach an action parachute to her and pull the parachutes her shoe gets pulled too people like they they survive this like yeah they survive this it's all done i don't know the logistics of how natasha is able to like fall after taskmaster on the ground taskmaster's in slow motion again gosh she really wants to kill black widow cheese yeah um and yeah this fight is lame as fuck black widow gets the sword off taskmaster drops it pleads and then does her big black widow flippy flippy activates the console on the arm to unlock the mask and then just pops a vial and it's not it's not a hole as such she saw the thing open earlier so apparently she memorized the the command though while she's typing it in taskmaster doesn't do shit yeah it's so funny they just like in the middle of the fight she gets the mask off and then she looks there's just a vial on the floor i didn't know she'd pick these up because i missed it my first time around i was like you fucking kidding me there's just a vial yeah just replaced one problem with another because apparently a couple of those vials they don't get exploded by the flashbang grenade no but they can be punched why don't you just use her helmet thing put her helmet back on i guess that's not a concern for taskmaster when battling is it pulled off by natasha and like thrown let me have a look i'm not sure i thought if it like holds up or some bullshit oh yeah it's sort of it just gets as they fall it sort of falls a meter forward yeah then you need the whatever um but yeah so what you're supposed to believe is while they tumbled a vial fell out of natasha's pocket and she was like i'll use that one break though that's good yeah yeah like after all the bullshit that she just went through it didn't break but then she just like oh you know you know what she used her electric flubes on it rags i can tell look at that oh yeah okay electrocute the glass and then pop it there you go good job film good job and we've done it freed you from your mind control which means the drakoff's daughter was never really killed by natasha and she's gotten her out of the torturous because i think all all taskmaster says in the film is he's gone referring to course to drakoff well potash she killed multiple other people now so can mourn about these ones well i guess she's the only one that seems to show trauma by the way so i appreciate all go for that like she's got a bit of a thousand yard stare going with a lot of the time you see the other way those are fine yeah um yeah it's like ah it's so sad but now we've got to you know get conclusions on everyone else because that's pretty much it the main drama is now over it's kind of like a wuss because he had actual like mental scarring and ptsd and stuff from when he broke his mind control and everyone else is just like everybody else is fine look at this look at that shoulder pad on on scar joe do you mean yeah really like what is that it looks so clunky too shoulder there really want to get that prudent out you know you're like yeah we like them shoulders um makes the and then yeah we get the amusing sort of because like obviously you like drakoff's dad taskmaster's defeated so we good and it's like well there was that whole floating fortress falling apart right that was a thing yeah already here well the debris seems to have stopped it's like ow but what about the the huge facility that i was about isn't that going to come crashing maybe i was right maybe enough parts of it fell off is now able to keep it up because at least half of it's falling off and yeah and she just looks around and she's like oh there it is this the red room it's over there by all those trees is anyone over there and you just yes i'll go no leave us alone you definitely didn't break apart into a bunch of pieces you need um a zack's knight a line you need some guy on a phone to be like that's an unpopulated area there's no one there it's fine no scrolls in the forest oh my god nobody was there it should be great that it falls there actually and someone's like zack what about all the woodland creatures he's like oh it's fine a worthy sacrifice but um yeah i don't know that's that fell over there no worries um and then the film like is just rushing to get to its credits melena's fine she uh she just came down with the parachute she got knocked out again and then she wakes up she does that a lot i think it's for dramatics and we see um melena and alexey have just made it and they're like yeah we did it the family did it you're like wait the last time we saw you you guys were falling through the like the hurricane of fucking debris spinning around what happened they're like we made it you're like okay that's fine but how yes we did it would spoil it to show you that you wouldn't want to see it titles it it reads it reads like a pirate like all right forgive me little sister she didn't do it oh and it's worth mentioning it actually pains me so they have their final moment the two sisters where she says natasha says to it it was real i'm like it was real the whole the whole fake family thing it was real and it's like couldn't have been real natasha because you would have fucking found it lying stop saying that ruining it all they fucking rage you when you showed up oh um yeah so the last remaining vile we give it over to melena she's gonna synthesize way more of it and then we're gonna go and free those black widows i'm assuming that's what the black widow team is gonna now go do maybe that explains what we haven't seen them that's what they're busy doing how did melena get to keep their man suit how come melena's not in jail how come she's not being reviled as a terrible person uh isn't he gonna go well that's the thing uh i don't know what they're doing with all these characters this like if you were to ask us we would have many options but it's not up to us it's up to the writers deciding what the next movie is for them uh there's gonna be a black widow too right you won't have natasha in it yeah or maybe this lot yeah you later and then these two will make a guest appearance of some kind it's gonna be great um so natasha called ross as she activated a transponder specifically to help bring down drakov the plan was originally to make him land the station and take him in obviously it crashed so now it's like oh this is a bit awkward because he's just he's on his way what are we gonna do and it's like well everyone's leaving i'm gonna stay and deal with ross which makes no sense at all you're on the run you don't need to talk to ross in fact that would be a bad idea but she does anyway so that just creates the problem we talked about this earlier how does she escape ross and the writers of well the director literally said i don't know cut to black she probably cut a deal it's like do you think we should know about that or not someone wants to know that just fade to black and then she's dead anyways yeah and yelena gives her jacket the one with all the pockets over to natasha the one you see the infinity war jacket i know i remember there's a lot of people who've been commenting like do they ever explain the jacket so they do indeed explain the jacket um thank god yeah it was a i had a big worry i didn't know yeah okay i'm sorry i'm so distracted by these shoulder pads but look here under suit think the shoulder pad is fallen below his shoulder now because it's like a side shoulder pad thing that's weird yeah it's um they're just weird outfits uh yeah so we see the black widows and they're like we wouldn't leave you behind so again these well-adjusted women who've had a lifetime of mind control i just i hate it i hate how much it's not human at all you know we gotta hold hand we gotta see where we fucking hold hands like fuck off it's beautiful rags he's beautiful family family yeah and and uh natasha does a pose and we cut to black yeah she just gets away i guess it's almost it uh oh see the whole family are gone we have no idea what adventures they're up to um two weeks later got all mason is his name the the the vehicle simp he gives them um are we gonna just point out that that scene's just over now yeah it's over we're done yeah it's over the people who showed up um what did ross make of the fact that drakoff was a thing his because they would have gotten his files right presumably the hard drives are intact possibly and they searched the whole thing they should be like so turns out there was a crazy russian man who was about to take over the whole world with super agents that are planted all over the earth okay oh shit so like hydra again pretty much i thought we got rid of this is like i don't i don't want to say it but too we're starting to get into pattern levels here um embarrassing we should really do something uh so yeah you're supposed to make up your own reason for why she escaped ross and then she's like die to here for the infinity war colors and she's talking about how she's gonna go help steve free her friends from the raft which means we are actually still before the end of civil war being one yes rescue some and she's got a quid jet to help about with because apparently the riot's forgot that steve already had the quid jet it wasn't something he required natasha sold out for him yeah he had one he know we got to have her doing more stuff for the other characters particularly male ones oh um oh yeah and that was another thing the the avengers were theoretically supposed to show up here in some way or some of them but kevin feige said we don't want any boys showing up in her movie is that what did he actually set up the weird boys was used she doesn't need the boys she can take care of her own movie oh that's man but the movie was already whatever it's so crunchy because natasha is all about the avengers she loves them as a family it's not about the fact that she is desperate for boys to help it what are you talking about it's so crunchy stupid no it's stupid it's actually stupid we made a gender thing out of it we did it um but yeah they were basically they were deciding whether or not to have any male avengers in this film and kevin feige said we don't want any boys showing up which is by the way less significant compared to him saying that dr strange dr strange is a white male and we don't want him mentoring in any way wander in her show like this is actually so the the the whole like you know uh being driven by sort of social justice and stuff in your own writings like this is what we talk about what it's like it's actually damaging your ability to tell the stories it's embarrassing stop it because one of the big things in one division was like where is dr strange this is like his whole thing he looks after earth this is a crazy event that's happening it's all magical it's like how the fuck isn't he here it turns out the writer was like you're not allowed in yeah um and then we get the after credit scene which again because marvel can't seem to help themselves and they've got no talented writers to do so you have this little moment really understand how this works if they have the credit scene oh well the first thing I just want to get clear is that it's it's uh you're laying a visiting natasha's grave site obviously the post end game and like she makes a whistle sound i think and it's the same sound that natasha did when they were kids i guess some of the shit so it's kind of like as much as i hate all of this it's like yeah that works i guess yeah um and she's sharing a moment of just like yeah you're dead and if you actually enjoyed this film and you thought that their connection meant something that would be meaningful and then you have is it her name valentina yeah she's just she's blowing her nose in the background it's clearly a comedic payoff yeah and it's so like oh guys this is his sister visiting the fucking grave site what are you doing stop it it and uh yeah it just sort of gets categorized into the whole marvel like drama and then comedy yes that's how it works right like this we did it no okay we put it in no stop no um her grave says the sister the daughter sister an avenger it shouldn't say daughter and sister but every woman is a daughter all right well sister then well but that wouldn't be on a grave right why would you specify that she was a daughter on a grave that she had a mom that she was born of human beings human avenger um a human and this isn't just a nitpick or anything so if you want to say they were aware of this family then you'd have to conclude it was yelena that would have told them about it and if that's true she knows who hawkeye is and if that's true that'll pay off at the end here doesn't work yeah she's like hawkeye was the one that got your sister killed which you know if you were harshly interpreting the events you could say that um but if yelena has even a modicum of competence left this shouldn't be a problem um and i won't hawkeye just explain things to her how come the story isn't public about what they did it's annoying about natash's sacrifice you think they would be uh to be honest with you there's nothing to hide about that she literally died heroically in order to save the world the universe like that's like man wow what a what a fucking hero everybody should know that story i feel like hawkeye should have told that story to her yeah apparently they know that it was between her and hawkeye but they don't know that she forced herself to be the one who dies the avengers certainly know yeah there's no way hawkeye wouldn't have told the avengers that that's someone you'd have to fucking tell her like she she literally stopped me from killing myself i swear to god yeah hawkeye would definitely tell well we know that he did because in the in the movie he talks about how it should have been him he's explicit in that his belief that that he should have died so it's like the one about an end game that i like died yeah yeah there's little things in in game that are great yeah well they learn there um yeah so this whole like i'm expecting in hawkeye show there's an episode where he's the fucking like a bomb goes off and he's almost killed and then she rushes into the room and starts fucking attacking him and he's like dodging and they have a huge fight and then just before she kills him kate saves him or something and then they talk out their differences and then they team up or something like that yeah because there's no you're you bet your fucking ass they will not have hawkeye beating her no they will not have a man beating the woman it will just like it's it's just fucking it's not happening now and that's black widow that's black yeah really really abominable from start to finish fucking terrible movie horrifically bad stumbling every step four out of four bad things in like phase four it's it's a trend at this point it's not we're in trouble guys we're in trouble it's not even like bad it's bad i wish it was Iron Man 3 bad i wish it was Age of Ultron bad i wish we could go back to that being the lowest point for the MCU i remember we talked about this on your or my stream i don't know it was like man i wish we could have Iron Man 3 again it's like fuck yeah yeah yeah um it's not just the plot holes and the plot armor and the plot contrivances of course the damage it deals to not just a well-known well established MCU character it's also it fucks with its own characters and it just creates so much will building that is a direct like just fucks with everything we understand happened in the MCU already um and then i guess the only one left is thematic and it's just like it's about family it's about how uh a lot of people have tried to draw meaning out of like it's supposed to try and have a commentary on sex trafficking slash the way women are treated as second-class citizens in particular elements of the world and stuff i'm just like this fucking movie didn't say anything about that no that didn't it it just presented that that was the case and that it's because drakoff thinks there's too many girls which is like what are you doing such a weird sentence like too many resource of one thing and you're like what is he what is he going to say girls and you're like dirt rocks water good what are you talking about and then of course um if you wanted to just derive like family is where the heart is family are who you choose family are the ones who support you family are your blood like any of these just don't really match with the whole natasha ditched her blood family she's like her real family being the avengers aren't even in the like mentioned at all other than i'll go fix them at the end and then her like fake family the one that she described as totally real are people that she like abandoned i just don't it doesn't work it's all broken yeah totally broken disaster uh there are so many films this should have been there's so many options you have first and foremost with not a case that this is the kind of hawkeye should have been in this movie more than anyone yeah oh yeah absolutely especially a post in game you know kind of movie where we get to see them together you know that's a that that could be really cool that could have been really interesting but fuck that i guess they had different plans they wanted to make this a really big girl power kind of thing um and i guess there's no room for hawkeye in that nope yeah and that's it it just fails at everything um the things that we think it does well go no making money yeah it made some money yeah all right i i just got nothing um soundtrack was something i don't even remember it's like had generic stuff in it the actors do you know a pretty good job there's not like i don't think they'd do a bad job i just i struggle with movies when there's just there's not even really that like there's only that one scene for yelena where she tears her heart out explaining how much the entire family of back stabbed her and she was abused by them in a way um that just sort of goes away so it's really quick and that's like the only really emotional scene the other ones are just sort of people turn on the walter works here in there which never really impresses me that much like loki's really pissed me off with that yeah like he cried let's put it in gif form or put it on twitter and say this is the best show i've ever seen the editing hurts me uh usually the other thing is just fine but like there's many moments in this film that like my eyes like the fuck man uh the cgi i wish it was just you know something we didn't notice but there's just lots of examples what we do there's like really bad cgi just like straight up bad cgi and this which is baffling to me for mcu production because the the cgi is normally pretty good yeah um what about the elusive factor of pacing this game felt there's this game this this movie felt um it felt impatient half the time and slow the other half yeah i think i know what you mean like the impatient fact of being the scenes never breathe they just go boom and you're just like oh we're into the next thing now oh what is this oh and then they try to spend too much time on just drama that does not work at all and is not earned in any way i think i want to spend with that pig and it and it was so unnecessary yeah yeah that's but you know that when that pig watched her leave it was like thank god she's gone yeah now we could finally be free now we can finally make animal farm oh yeah also there's lots of machine guns here um but that pretty much summarizes that i i do hate the movie a little bit because i thought it was an impossibility i spoke to frame many times brothers probably said on eFap you can't assassinate natasha romanov you wouldn't do that how could you do that it's not gonna happen well yeah because this is filler in between two different things like like i mean you don't even have to do character stuff with her really just have her being a competent assassin lady and that would get a pass but like she drops we drop avalanches on people and she just uh i well i'm gonna go pee yeah yeah yeah it's probably worthwhile everyone go pee no i don't need to a little water pee lack widow i don't know what else to say about it that pretty much sums it up i think the family movie uh next up for the mcu is chang chi oh yeah i don't even know that we're gonna cover that really i'll probably watch it well i'm probably gonna watch it i don't know if we'll cover it like on an eFap episode i just i don't know if i'm gonna care about it at all and then what else is there i don't know pain suffering pain is suffering that one looks okay morgan fremer's in it oh sick he narrates the journey into hell actually i don't even know what's really releasing in the next couple of months like in general well the suicide squad obviously not being marvell but still something we can hope will not be entirely cringe you know well yeah shang chi's coming out like in two months less than two months um that anthology marvel show oh how could i forget the eternals of course it's all exciting stuff it's still no idea what that's gonna be about at least one of if not two more like marvel live action shows that we have to watch too yeah and then next year there's like the same thing for marvel movies like five tv shows not running out of content like six movies next year or something they got tons of stuff next year fantastic it sucks because um i just there's so much potential lost not just in blackwood of the movie but in the mcu to have this high of a budget this many actors this many running stories and characters with this much in terms of fantasy and sci-fi elements to just generate whatever stories you want and it's all go into this crap i feel like all the uh all the not the good the i'm missing words here that's getting very late you all sound so tired they used all the good writers in the in the first couple of phases in order to just use everyone they can i don't think anybody knows what they're doing anymore i mean don't i get like just random writers off the street basically it's like how many critics do you have one okay you're in i wrote an episode of rick and morty sold how was it to worry about it before you have a good one yeah i feel like we're probably not going to go into a super chat section because we're in how many hours has it been because i didn't get to record it yeah that probably makes for a completed efab i'll have to save them all have you heard of the previous thing marvel had to plan action sequences before they even have a script or director i believe it that's true yeah um obviously i don't have proof of said thing but i can believe it for sure they did um i can believe that the flying fortress thing was generated because they had a sequence where they were all falling through the sky they did our previs for endgame in 2016 before the film was shot huh interesting they do previs for all of their films like well ahead of time did we mention it that this whole space space the red room falling from the sky just not mentioned anywhere in the mcu before that even though it's like a major event that should be just made up knowledge it's all made up some part of this this should have kept it like a low-level thing it's just not like they did not need to be this they didn't need to fucking i always want to say space that's the sky it looks like a fucking spaceship it's like i can believe it castle in the sky it's called red room and it's uh like the shield that's there no one mentions it it's so stupid it didn't need to be this i hate this so bad before we end up um i don't know we like it almost feels like we're gonna be skipping our records now because this is like yeah let's just sad this we're just lebed take the whole thing after having gone through it um i suppose uh before we would do any kind of heading out mad vika you were here for the whole time how are you okay how you doing yeah i'm i'm exhausted i'm kind of i'm to be honest i'm a little upset that my first efap was uh on a really really really terrible movie and we couldn't watch like funny shitty reviews from like cosmonaut or something i think it would have had a would have been a would have been more more of a laughing time but uh but i appreciate you inviting me on for this and showing me the infinitely more problems that it this movie had um i already didn't like it on upon my first watch last week and uh yep this confirms that it always confirms that it's worse there's actually quite a few videos we've got to cover as per usual um so don't worry we'll we'll have your back never ends work never ends everything's terrible black widow is definitely terrible efap's fan tabulous fun fun um yeah horrible things just are they're just vehicles for efap and mad vika and all of us who make fun of terrible things and explain why things are terrible it's just fuel for our careers just realized metal is here i thought he was arrested for flooding germany with his tears oh no that was you your tears are brown don't tell anyone they haven't tracked me down yet damn one day um but yeah uh so obviously uh mad vika we actually covered you last week so people are going to know uh at least what you do through that but is there anything else you'd want to let them know that you get up to over there before i pop a link in the old chat for them to click a rune well like things going on with the channel yeah well you're um uh well i took a bit of of a hiatus for like a month now and obviously that's when that's when the channel kind of exploded out of nowhere the the youtube gods have decided to pick me um so yeah i'm i'm trying to get back into it i've i've got a lot of video ideas but i don't want to spoil oh yes but um yeah i guess i guess to the people waiting on a new upload just know that i'm going to start getting into the groove again because i used to i used to work pretty hard on them um and now i've just been because i'm i've worked full time and i'm usually exhausted after i come home but uh i'm going to start sacrificing sleep once again yay all too well i think that's the youtuber life isn't it absolutely um yeah and yeah we're we're inch and ever closer to the old ifa 150 we'll probably see you uh pop on there if you're interested that'll be our anniversary it's probably gonna be a long one and we're probably gonna look into someone's video about how good black widow is i'd imagine somebody out there thinks it's good because it's about family that's what's so powerful about it um yeah anything else you guys wanted to say mr metal rugs and frugal wait are we are we done are we not doing super chance i don't think um well i already have concerns about my pc i'm gonna try and um okay okay that's right that's right but at the same time that's been making you've been doing too bad hopefully not um i i hope it's gonna survive i'm gonna need to get a new one probably which is okay this one's done a really good job this is this is the one that um i actually got thanks to uh the tlj critique so like um it's like nostalgic oh are you gonna say like when you when it's finally done and it's over are you gonna say like rest now and it'll be put a pillow over it so stabbing it saying let the past die let the past i've evolved as a critic destroyed that should be your channel chronicles of critic yeah um yeah we're probably gonna wrap but i can't i keep the money i want to know how yeah i know chronicles of ridicule we still gonna see pitch dark all right i just make sure i just make sure we're all on the same page here you're gonna watch that and make sure that i guess i want to make sure we're all picking up this fucking gold um yeah we will you'll see us again crazy as it is there's probably two for efebs next week too oh wow to the both already planned so yeah what a value i didn't know the other one i'm free for one i think you think you're free i'm never free if ever it's life um so yeah just lots and lots of things on the way still collecting any super chats we missed and you'll see them in um assorted catch ups that we managed to get out there maybe we'll record the wednesday one the additional one offline who knows anything could happen um in the meantime the lot of us are working on other things more stuff is on the way yeah things to do with yeah stuff and the like of that nature no yeah who knows what could happen i'll do my strumblages i watch more new media now even on my own so people can actually ask me about that now on stream oh they want us to a madvocate christmas or halloween which do you think is better oh boy this is where i lose subs isn't it yes i'm gonna say fuck it halloween yay yes wrong answer but another one joins the lead from we can't uh can't i'll be perfect but you managed to pull it off madvocate so nice yeah good job okay this is the good one then yeah cool yes it is the good one the excellent choice winner k o i love ever i love chat every time we ask that one yes the wrong right yes pumpkin unsubbed worst guest it's like all over the place refresh your channel lost half your subs like wow um yeah so it's been fun there you go you now know exactly how we felt about black widow we really hate women like oh careful oh yeah man i was massaging my woman hating gland for like all week knowing that we'd be doing this e-fab absolutely dearly and with that thank you all so much for hanging out with us it's been so much fun and of course thank you very much for the donations the insights and the the the the the the things we missed here and there about the wonderful film that is black widow yeah um yeah anything else you guys want to mention before we hit stop or uni uh fire no i guess not thanks for sticking around sorry we couldn't get to the super chats but technical difficulties and we shall um send yeah send super chat so moller can get a quad three nineties and you'll never have to upgrade ever again what i'll do is i'll build a giant sky fortress so that the fan inside that will cool my pc so here they're pretty good you can make that you could make a red room themed pc there and it could be it could be and then i'll tell people i'm a fan of black widow and then they'll leave me alone but if one part breaks everything starts to break and then it explodes it's like damn i didn't think about this it's not a it's not a design flaw it's a feature um well all righty then goodbye everybody it's been fun sleep well slash wake up well little hymer's gilio right bye