 It's time for us to go through the pages of National Daily, so call it off the press, Tunde Kola will join us this morning. Tunde, many thanks for joining us and compliment of the season. Very well, thank you. Let's, Kofi is actually here by the way, and we'll do this together. We'll start off with the leadership newspaper on the leadership. NIPC snores as Nigeria loses more investment opportunities. It's boldly written on the leadership newspaper today. Underneath, UMA's Action Grant Commission to Halt, Executive Secretary Kip Smoom, over-mounting allegations. That's what you find. 2023, federal government counters no achievement claimed by opposition. Well, it's expected. With right limit, lawmakers refuse to shift grounds. Bajabi Amila meets President Mohamed Buhari. Again, you find Atikus saying, I'll reopen our borders to boost economy. Tunibu intervenes and Cross River APC crisis. Kofi's, you know, home. Well, we just move away, just before we move away quickly from the leadership, another paper talks about flight delays, cancellation, loom over jet A1's Cursity. That's what the airlines are saying. It's probably not just going to be that December that a lot of people anticipate. It's going to be very dramatic, very stressful, because when you talk about the unavailability of jet A1, then you understand what it is. After conviction, Okukbe quits as OBDATI campaign DG. So, that's the much we can take this morning on the leadership newspaper. Bunch has some interesting stories. On his front page, the first one, the big one there, cash limits, reps order CBN to stay action banks admin. Several riders are going to order right now, maybe later. But more from the punch, Governors FG agree on NIPPS sale to fund budgets. NIPPS sale to fund, or NIPPS sale rather, NIPPS sale to fund budget. Buhari transmits finance bill. NAS passes budget Thursday. Maybe that's one of the pluses for him that his budget has always been on time as compared to what was said before he came on board. Gemini begins return of 1,130 looted Benin bronzes. I hope that the people here will not burn them and sell their fetish items. Let's go on. I like needs 100,000 vehicles, 4,200 boats, Yakubu, truck driver kills, tricycle rider, hulums, loot, rice. Very unfortunate situation with those riding on our roads, be it trucks or tricycles or bicycles. NIFIU stops cash withdrawal from FG state's account. Some stories on the front page of the punch. Well, let's quickly take a look at this day newspaper. Cash policy, can others express concern of a plot to arrest Amethyly? So Amethyly, if you look at, you know, Twitter, if you go on social media, his topping the conversation, the top trending conversation, Twitter, you have Amethyly. If you don't see Amethyly, the CBN governor. First, that he has to be in front of, you know, the House of Rep. had summoned him and he wasn't able to, you know, be available. And secondly, this issue of him being arrested, court order, DSS and all of that. Well, we're definitely way to hear our guest's thoughts on this. Says selfish Nigerians want to create confusion in the country. Bullion banned politicians after CBN says article core campaign. Lawmakers re-invite Amethyly for grilling on cash policy tomorrow. Fallen out, other senior lawyers react. And you see another rider says money launders, politician or political bandit against redesign of Naira says Nans. Policy will allow voters elect credible leaders, says ex-quarer governor. And just before we move away from this day newspaper, Buhari federal government generated $547 million from 5G spectrum auction. And Obasaki signed $321.4 billion Naira, 2020 through Appropriation Bill into law. And Buhari Bajabi Amila meet over the rising election valence, dispute over cash policy. This is some of the headlines we're able to take this morning on this day newspaper. The nation has the lead story, Tiananbu. The nation has the lead story, Tiananbu unveils funding plan for infrastructure revolution. More from the paper, CBN releases security features of new Naira notes. Governor's okay plan to sell off five power plants. Okupoe quits as obese campaign DGLP candidate lists priorities. Shema Kamp, PDP leaders, Sean Artikou's Katsina rally. Well, the rally was really, really well attended. So some videos be shared by the article team online. Um, we have more from the punch jam fixes April 29 next year for UTME for $242 million Japanese loan for Lagos Ogun. Um, govless okay plan to sell off five power plants. Federal government eyes, 260 billion Naira from sale off a Geregu, Agiocuta, others. I don't know people are not tired of hearing these names. Senate confirmed Zonouchi or Gomola 11 others for NDDC board. Congratulations to, to them, especially Loretta Onouchi. Um, very interesting one. Let's bring in to Nicola Wally at this time. Uh, Mr. Wally, I want to look at the, to speak about or speak on the old situation with the, uh, the governor central bank. Yeah. Oh, that's, that's unfortunate. Um, maybe Messi can ask you the first question while we sort that out. Uh, I don't know if, can you hear Messi, sir? I can hear you. Oh my. Oh my. All right. So is it okay? Okay. Mr. Wally, is it, is it, is it, can you faintly hear us please? You can? Okay. We'll try to sort that out. Um, yeah. Uh, can you hear us? Yeah. Okay. What are your thoughts on the, the, um, the, the, the attempt, if you can hear me, sir, to, um, uh, get a court and expat a, uh, order to arrest the, the CBN governor. I'm sure you may have gone through the details or some accepts of the, the judgment. Uh, most times and all the time, you find out that people belong to the executive arm of government. They have no respect for the other countries of government, such as the judiciary and the legislature. The legislature, for example, would request that someone in the executive arm of government should come and appear before them. And then they will show me, sometimes to the people in the security, the police and the theaters, the legislator, and the, the judiciary will ask them to appear and they will not go. You and I will remember that, uh, not too long ago, a court converted the idea of police for content. Even though that order has been lifted, it's, uh, a part of what we call in law executive rascality. There is no branch of governance. Whether it is executive or the judiciary that is higher than the other. But in our own climate, the people in the executive arm of government always believe that they are superior for the people in the legislature and the judiciary. So we discuss with the messengers, once you have been summoned by the national assembly, they will not lie on you, on the oaths on you to appear, not just as a matter of law, but also as a matter of respect. I've said it as a number that the legislature is the supreme organ of the Nigerian nation. They are elected to represent their people, to do oversight function, and also make laws for good governance of the country. So that is not a branch of governance that we neglect. And then the national assembly, they are the ones who are possessed to Mr. President, to the vice president, and all other people who work under them. So nobody needs a common, whether you be civilian governor, whether you be idea of police, or whether you be army chief, or whether you are the general of the GSS, that you refuse to appear before the legislature, or to appear before the court when you are asked to do so. I think the object that has been made for the military to appear is in good state. And never was it, the governor of central bank, I will quickly run and answer that someone with apologies. Today, let's talk about the issue of flight cancellation. It's been projected, it's suspected that Nigerians should anticipate flight cancellation because of the scarcity of jet E1. What are your thoughts at this point? Don't you think that we should have been able to put our acts together, get over all of this fuel scarcity at this particular time and period of the year? Please repeat that again. So on the leadership newspaper, the leadership talks about the fuel scarcity and the fact that there's a possibility that flights will be cancelled because of this unavailability of jet E1. I'd like to share your thoughts. As a country, should we not be above all of this, putting our acts together, overcoming all of this fuel scarcity saga? If I had you a little bit, I would say you are talking about aviation fuel, is it? Yes, please. Okay, okay. And you know, sometimes back, we have discussed that on this our session before, in which I made mention of the fact that in the whole of West Africa, and not so much part of Africa, aviation fuel is the most expensive, aviation fuel in Nigeria is the most expensive. Even though we are supposed to be a negation or a petroleum producing country, you also know, too, apart from aviation fuel, that Nigeria doesn't have a standard hangar for the maintenance and repair of aircrafts. Whereas we have the largest number of individuals who have private jets in the country. And the number of airlines that we also do have, when you compare to some other African countries, it's a substantial number. But most of the foundation that we are supposed to live, in terms of even producing aviation fuel in Nigeria, in terms of having an hangar for maintenance of aircraft and their repairs and all that, we have never bothered to do that. A tiny country like Ethiopia depends on the airline and the coffee that they produce to run that country. They have no other mineral resources apart from the coffee and the well organized aviation industry and the airline that they do have. So it's the scarcity of aviation fuel and the non availability most of the time and it's most expensive in West Africa and in Africa. It's a reflect on the sad reality of the afflictions that we have in most other places of our life. Because we have a country producing this quantity of petroleum products on the daily, on the yearly, on the monthly basis and with a large number of airlines having private airlines here to find out aviation fuel is not available. So most of the people fly to Ghana, they fly to Togo and some of these other West African countries to buy this thing. And that is one of the reasons we find out cost of flying in Nigeria when you look at the distance that we fly is too prohibitive. If the station fuel were cheaper, if you could maintain and repair aircraft in Nigeria, I am sure Nigeria wouldn't be spending that much buying tickets to fly around from one portion or from one section of the country to the other. These are areas we require to fix. It's a population of about 200 million in which increasingly or on an annual basis more and more people who have the need to fly especially with the deplorable nature of our roads and also the comatose nature of our waterways. Our waterways are not being used. The roads are also bad and then you also have kidnappers and bandits waiting for you on the road. The saddest means of traveling in Nigeria today is by air. But if you are not rich, if you are not comfortable, if you don't have the means, then you cannot fly. All right. Tunde, thank you. We move to the next one. Excuse me. And we can see, as we said earlier, on the front page of the leadership newspaper, after conviction, Okupoe quits as Obidachi campaign DG. What are your thoughts on this? Some people feel that this is not telling well of the selection argument. Let's call it of the political party and in particular the presidential candidate and that maybe the party should or the candidate should have thought twice before picking Okupoe as a campaign DG. Well, the party is said through its spokesman Tanco Yunusa yesterday. But this is what he called a syndicated attack. The judgment on Okupoe is a syndicated attack on the Labour Party's presidential candidate ahead of the 2023 election. So what do you say to this piece? Well, it's a rather unfortunate that Mr. Okupoe has been convicted cause for money laundry. It's a big snare, not just on his reputation, but also on the party, the Labour Party, that he has been working for very lately. But we must not forget that it's the court of first instance that has convicted him. He can see appeal to the court of appeal. He can also go to the Supreme Court. And while he is making all this application to these other higher courts, he can apply for a state of execution on compassionate grounds. I'm also aware that Mr. Okupoe is not enjoying the best of health lately. As regards the implication on the Labour Party, I don't think that Mr. Okupoe is directly or deliberately targeted for this conviction. You and I will know that that case has been going on for long, ever before he was appointed by the general of the campaign organization of Mr. Okupoe. So let's keep our fingers crossed and see what the court of appeal or the Supreme Court would eventually say with regard to its conviction. But you don't forget, there are so many of them that are standing trial with regard to some of the money they were said to have gotten from Kone Sambu Datsuki, which was the supreme, which was said to be meant for security. So pay arms and ammunition. But Mr. Datsuki was alleged to have shared some of this money, gave some of this money to politicians for political purposes. So the interesting aspect of this is that the man who gave out the money himself is still working free, has not been convicted, whereas those who got just a little portion of the money is now to go to jail. The lesson to be learned from all this is that we must learn to do things in a very proper manner. Votes of money, we are marked for certain purposes. Let's move away from that to another paper. Tunde, let's take a quick look at this day newspaper. It talks about cash policy. Can orders express concern over the plots who arrest emphily? I'm sure that you're very abreast with that situation. They have actually, the expression goes as selfish Nigerians want to create confusion in the country. Others say bullion van politicians after the CBN. That's what the Atikoko campaign is quoted to say. But what are your thoughts on this? That's the first. Then what do you think is best practice, especially in the case of when someone has been accused of accusation, there's a pending court case and what have you, what's the best practice? For instance, in the case of Okukbe, just like you have mentioned, it's something that's been ongoing for a while, is it rational for these persons to continue to occupy public offices and also be appointed by different organizations, whether private or government organizations as it were? When you look at the Nigerian constitution, I think it's section 33 or 38 or there about I can't remember too clearly. There's not a copy assumption of innocent that until the court of law, the court of competent jurisdiction says that the man is guilty of whatever charges he has filed against him, he should see and enjoy all the benefits, all the doubts for being innocent until he is convicted. So that is why most times when people have cases in court, we should not rush to condemn them and say that they are no longer fit to hold any public office. So that is the, this argument is dedicated on the presumption of innocent for all Nigerians as to write it for by the Nigerian constitution. The politicians are also Nigerians, so we should not take these benefit workouts for this presumption of innocent away from them. There, for more importantly, in most of our clients, when people have very egregious allegations, they label them in court of competent jurisdiction. What is morally wrong? And I underline the word moral is that some persons who usually they have been appointed or they occupy a public office, they weigh on their own volition, resign or withdraw for long to leave. And where they do not withdraw is I put on to leave. The person who has appointed or has given them such appointment, who ask them to stand aside, pending when they have been able to deal with or have finished all the cases against them in court have been concluded. It's a moral issue which in most civilized society people tend to embark upon when circumstances arise from that. But it doesn't mean that the person is already guilty of the charges that have been filed against them in the court of competent jurisdiction. If I was the one appointing me to occupy, I probably would not have appointed them because of the fact that even at the end of the day, when the campaigners think going on, he is convicted, it is the same on the panel and then on the party and also recollect that one person, an army general, was also appointed into the campaign structure of the Labour Party and of Mr Ubi. But when he was, I think he was generally lynched and the middle ground announcement was made. The Nigerian youth went up in a condemning the appointment. Just to follow up to that conversation, I'd like to find out, you have said that in other climes is a case of morality and so if you have a case where a senior public official or government official is accusing, most cases they get to step down, you know, they probably put tender letter of resignation despite the fact that the law of being innocent until being proven by court of competent jurisdiction is a universal law. I mean I'm not sure it's limited to just Nigeria. But my question to you is why is it that that issue of morality seem to be gaining upper hand in developed climes as compared to Africa and Nigeria? Why is it that that is respected? Nobody brings an argument that you're innocent until being proven guilty by court of competent jurisdiction. That argument is not usually not there. You find people stepping down. You find like you rightly stated no one would rather appoint someone who has a case, who has been accused or involved in any sort of criminal activity or whatever it is. Whether or not they have been proven guilty, they just take it step backward. So why is it that morality seem to be taking a plus in this, you know, parts of the world or in those parts of the world? Well, morality is a universal concept. What is good in Nigeria? We also do good in the U.S. and in Germany and in the U.S. and in Britain. And what is bad in those places? We also most likely be bad around here. The challenge we have always had in Nigeria and in Africa is that even though we are supposed to be a moral society, even though the number of churches and the number of mosques that we have around here, when you compare to some of those other countries, they are number there. We are a nation of believers and but more of very ungodly people. So too many times when moral things come into question, we come to turn a blind eye to it and begin to make some screwed up argument as regards why we should continue to hang on to power and to hang on to offices. It's the society, the followers, those who vote for people, the taxpayers, who will determine what is to be done when people have the kind of situation of how find themselves in the kind of situations that we are talking about. Is the society so concrete? What is the society so fine to say that? Look, once you have issues, working on stealing or working on criminality, you cannot understand office, then you will find out most of our lives will begin to pan out, begin to use the pressure that are coming from the society. But if the society still continues to hold such persons, people who are having challenges with the law, if they still continue to hold them in their esteem, if they still continue to praise them, if they still continue to patronize them, if they still continue to give them this attitude and what are they, if they still continue to benefit from some of the legis or public funds that they are stolen, then the status quo will remain. And then morality will not cancel nothing in the affairs of our nation. You will recognize that laws, most laws all over the world, have their roots in morality, have their roots in morality. In fact, it is the morals of the society that got essentially codified into law, into the constitution. And that is where you find out in different parts of the world, there are laws are slightly different. In some countries of the world, when you are said to have a very abuse religion, it is called blasphemy. And because of that, you can even be a secretary for it. All right, Mr. Molo. Yes, thank you so much. Since apologies, please, for the interjection. Thank you very much. We have to go. We thoroughly enjoy your analysis today, as always, and look forward to having you as usual next week. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We apologize for the audio issues. Thank you very much. And compliments of the season to you. I apologize for the audio issues. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I hope you will send me an elephant for my Christmas. Oh, well, we have to check if that would not cost you money laundering. We'll check and then we'll go back to you. All right, with all to be in the headlines of the wrong reasons. Thank you to Nicole Oli. And I think eventually audio issues are funded. Thank you very much. And we'll be right back. We'll take a break when we return. We're looking at safety on our roads in the Yuletide. There's going to be a lot of traveling, including on the second Niger Bridge. You won't know what exactly we need to do and what the authorities are saying about being safe. Stay with us. We'll be right back.