 Look, you need to be deep at the things like you're not going to get anything done unless you've really spent the time, you know, if you want to help communities that live on a dollar or two today, it's good that you've spent five plus years in that type of setting otherwise you don't even totally get the lay of the land for the first year or two, right. So like you need everybody to be kind of deep in that, but you know, when everybody's deep like that, we don't randomly run into each other. So events like this allow us to kind of create these major and minor convenings.