 Hi, welcome last of us episode 5 and it ended exciting I thought you're gonna go really like information-based like hello episode 5 eFap last of us TV show The problem was I jumped right into it and I was figuring it out in real time Like what is the tone I want to go for here am I going for goofy or am I going for serious I'm going for something in between and I'm not sure what I settled on there Well as is usual with that sort of things I say as if we've done this one before This is actually the first of its kind in terms of a format because it's different than the Hill House one Very different than like Mando Kenobi because it's like complimentary. I don't think anything compares Appropriate as the proper inaugural eFap TV, you know, except Velma Velma popped out right I'm happy to pretend that this was the beginning of Was just a sin that arrived around same time Well, what I was gonna say about that is is an interesting dynamic with this one Especially because we're not just being complimentary and trying to give it room to breathe where it requires it I mean that in both how we analyze it, but also how it's presented I actually wanted to start with that a lot of people have been bringing up like in in both Complementary and criticism the the cuts between the show in the game in these edits what criticism so they have I'm legitimately curious because that is insanely helpful for like me who remembers very little of the game In a lot of compliments which makes sense But the criticism include like you're taking away from the experience by like randomly cut into different media instead of the same one Like you're not random Literally the show the scene from the game that they're either trying to somewhat redo or base their thing off of so I wanted to explain There's like three big reasons number one would be yeah for the sake of Looking at how faithful this thing is or how it compares to its source material and you might be like You don't do that with other stuff. It's like we don't do it with things. We're not that familiar with us That's just how it works in this way since the beginning we talk about how faithful a thing is if we have the chance to be able to talk about it We often don't because we don't know the source That's just reality for most people but remember how faithful it is does not determine how good it is We've always been on that position, but we've always said hey I mean it's interesting to have the adaptation conversation like oh, did they change this and this like why would they do that? Do you think that that change matches the thing they're creating or does it take away or this is a mistake through rushing and Compressing or is there something that they expanded and you know fixed up or whatever We've had plenty of those concessions and I think that those clips help people who aren't familiar secondly It is helpful Dramatically you have no idea with copyright of all things you may you may not have thought But that that is like one of the primary things that was really helpful If I can show you a full scene of what happens in this story by by side with the game You get to consume almost the whole story from the the TV show without it being angry and shutting the whole thing down So that's another reason why it's super useful then I would say the third and finally I think it is quite entertaining to to watch I think it actually does add to to see these two measure I try to build them in a way that doesn't you get the similar payoffs as they're running next to each other while Simultaneously matching for copyright like I said as protection But I think it works But I I just want people to know it's there for several reasons and it can't go away anytime soon nor can I make it That's that but look I'm gonna resurrect something even though it would never really truly die I just kind of didn't do it for the other ones because I was just busy getting these things done But you're you guys remember a little thing called comment showcase It's the thing that just got a name really doesn't need one It's just us looking at comments because I saw a consistent set of comments about Episodes so like the vibe I think was that we were too nice to the show in episodes one and two episode three Everyone's familiar with the discourse over that one. It's nightmarish. It's all over the place And I actually feel like we happily did a decent job at the end of episode three going through the major ones like it being filler Boring irrelevant to the main plot line irrelevant to the main characters I think we gave our takes on all that episode four They're our criticisms and there are things that people feel we did not cover as well So we're gonna just check out a few of them probably take it in the little turns topic number one is Kathleen the lady who is in charge seemingly of the Kansas City Rebels Chiefs, I guess we'll just go left to right nice and simple for you to want to read this first one I found the leader of this Kansas City group to be very disappointing. She's clearly not a proper leader Ignoring dire court of saps related problems to focus on her own vendetta Shooting an unarmed prisoner during an emotional episode who is a doctor and will most likely help Heal people in need or without the threat of death and setting up ambushes and getting weirdly upset Someone would escape and survive it. She doesn't have any charisma or natural leadership skills She's just a lady in charge because she's the most mad about losing her family It seems like I just don't understand how anyone could take her seriously I get the leader of the group wanted to kill the doctor But she had a situation where she was reminded of the possible need for a doctor and shot him anyway There was a reason why being educated was considered a valid defense in death penalty trials for the last few centuries When doctors are worth their weight in gold. It's not a good idea to kill them Keep them prisoner by all means, but it seems like a stupid decision even if motivated by emotion Lady up and killed one of the most valuable commodities in apocalypse a real doctor You keep those pukes locked up teaching babies everything you know until they die of old age If he done bad then you lock him up underground teaching anything that can move and isn't infected that said I find it hilarious that they have crazy mommy shoot a doctor in such cold blood over a child Considering what two is all about sure every dumbass intellectual tripped over themselves demonizing Joel and with Kuckman desperate to rewrite history To make Zebra man the messiah of the apocalypse But I'm sure this will have no bearing on anything and will never be referenced So it seems there is a consistent problem with the idea that she killed a doctor and that she seems to be overly Emotional and she shouldn't be leading well I mean the show is very clearly trying to tell you that this was not a decision that was made based on Rationality that she did this when she was at least convinced herself Henry and Sam I assume we're still out there and killing her people and that made her very upset and angry She has some sort of a very emotional Connection to them and that's why she shot him as far as I'm aware It's not much in the episode but it's there So she makes it clear that the doctor is someone who ratted out people to Fedra like just to clarify for anyone listening The situation is in Kansas City Fedra have control and they boss everyone around to the point where they Likely did some horrible horrible things. I'm assuming we're gonna get more context on that Including but not limited to torture and kill for information about rebels trying to breach the system And there were people who worked with Fedra to sell out their friends and family for whatever reason again with who Sam and Henry are in the game. I imagine we're gonna get a reason for that I doubt they're gonna leave it just that he just sold out her brother and the brother died That seems like it would be unusual by the way the theme of what I'm saying in this opening is gonna be we need to fucking wait Before we can judge all these stories. They're not been told yet Everyone's jumping the gun and that's been what's happening throughout this whole season But I think we're gonna get a reason for Henry and Sam doing that But hey, we may not with her she expresses that she's got some serious like love for her brother as you can tell And she wants to kill Sam and Henry for having led to his death Now, I don't know more than that but the doctor didn't lead to a brother's death He just led to other people's capture and death and it seems to me with the aggression She has against Fedra in their control that it's funny because Gary brought it up in open bar I think after we talked a bit about it. He said like even if they're a doctor You gotta be fucking careful as hell with someone like that if you don't trust them They can subvert you in all kinds of ways, especially a doctor They can get they can still kill and make people live depending on whatever they want If she just doesn't trust him All you need to know is that it's enough for her to execute him and that kind of like cold attitude is Something a lot of people will flock toward for leadership depending on what she's done in the past But the thing is as you can tell from these comments a lot of people are like, how did she in the role? Why would people have elected her? It's like we don't actually know What he pleads with her that he's the one that brought her into the world She has like some a decent bit of acting there if someone who's brand new Clearly there's more dimensions to her that are going on but it as freaky points out in the episode live She's overwhelmed with vengeance and of course people like as she is going to fail Like her narrow focus on getting revenge to the detriment of To the exclusion of these more present problems is going to have serious consequences for her in a group That's like the point obviously that last comment references how like she's making the same apparent mistake that uh Like the Joel was making it's like is everyone going to comment that it's like I think this episode So that last comment struck me as odd. It's like you do sort of recognize that the show is painting her as an antagonistic force Right. She's probably going to get killed by the bloater and she'll probably die in a scene that is like her choosing revenge instead of Focusing on the infected. Yeah, it'll probably come to a place where it's probably going to be the easy setup You're going to have a bunch of people from disparate groups who are in this area together And then you have like, you know bloater a bunch of infected coming and it's like well We could all work together or we could fight and the world fucked Which is you know ties obviously into broader themes that usually happen in post-apocalypse stories about how all of these Divisions that people draw between each other probably should fall away in the face of a crazy existential threat But people can be stubborn and we don't know how popular she is She might be holding on to authority by a thread. There might be a lot of people who do not like her being in charge We don't know if other people also make decisions or if she's only in charge of a certain branch I find it all a bit awkward where it's almost like it sometimes seems like what's baked into it is listen to her voice It's not very threatening that kind of sort of read of the character. It just strikes me a little bit odd Yeah, um, like I mean why it's so hard to believe that somebody like this could end up being a leader I I guess i'm just a little bit perplexed by it Well, yeah, if that's the challenge if people like can you explain any environment in which this could be possible in a post-apocalypse? And um a drinker did on on open bar is just saying like well society hasn't collapsed for them They're building something there She if she's got the right qualities or she's proven herself in whatever way if she organized them to destroy fedra Then yeah, they're gonna put a lot of trust in it All she needs is a selection of people that um are powerful do hold influence there that do think she should be in charge That's enough and that can happen with anyone But the big thing for me is just like can we please have a little bit more from it before we uh, we decide This is absolutely nonsense right because again five minutes Maybe I want to find out a bit of her history No motivations for like why she's doing all of this I want to know I'd be it'd be cool to know why she's in power I don't know if we'll get it and uh same for sam and henry I want to know how they interact with her and I think that's what this whole episode's going to be about What the whole thing is going to be is that for as disarming as she may appear She's probably going to be quite worthless and she's willing to just like shoot people and kill them Well, maybe not that already that should be it. I think Is easily coming from the fact that that's what fedra did to them for 20 years She's that kind of character. It comes across to me Someone that I was thinking about was for anybody who's watched it House the dragon the kind of character the women in the world of westeros A lot of them speak softly are calm, but they will kill you in an instant And then you have plenty of guys around them that respect the the decisions they make and sort of work as their right hand Their fists so to speak their enforcers And if she's that kind of character it'd be cool to see I don't really mind I'm I'm gaming for a lot of different things. Uh, I don't have a screenshot of this one But I saw a lot of people saying it. Uh, I didn't manage to grab it in time It was um, how fucking retarded that they put all that effort into making joel smart enough to put glass down And yet he's attacked by surprise Oh, uh, yeah So that failsafe isn't 100 effective. Obviously. Ellie even said like are you sure you're gonna hear it? And we don't even know, you know, the you know the people who get past that They don't know if they're aware of it. They might have seen it and gone around it There is the broad counter and then there's the specific counter The broader was pretty much what you've done there and and yeah, like this you can subvert traps That's the thing and traps are not guaranteed to work Well, it's not perfect, but it's something but the specific one is super interesting The pov thing they're not unwilling to do, uh, the big pov film So I'm assuming we're gonna get sam and henry's POV and they don't have to because I know how it can work But they might show they put something down to make it make that sound they they move around it It'll be cool if they acknowledge it But I don't think they even have to a cool detail and this was pointed out a couple of people in chat I uh, sorry in comments. I didn't actually notice it was highlighted that, um, Joel's right ear is fucked basically from overly shooting He doesn't favor it favors his left and so if he's sleeping on his side Which he is in the scene he goes to sleep on his right ear meaning his left ear is open and out When he's woken up He's sleeping on his left ear Meaning his right ear was up point being he turned over during his sleep And his his less favored ear was the one he was relying on which I think is kind of neat to put together Um, that is something they point out. That's a neat detail. Yeah, I don't think you can blame Joel for turning over in his sleep Right, that's just something that you do that was really nice touch And I think also it's conceivable. They could have come in through a window or something Um, not necessarily that door. I mean, they've they've been escaping uh, these people for however long They must be careful with everything they do and remember that the big thing as well is that they are He's main like Joel doesn't know about henry or sam He's worried about these guys and so the logic of going up there in the first place and sending those traps was to be safe Against those guys not other people in the the city You know that they're not aware of his agents that are moving around in a very good at getting around safely It's a pretty good system that he came up with. I don't find it. It's funny weird where it's like ha it failed It's like, yeah, I guess they do sometimes Yeah, I'm just going with you it's kind of Kind of good. We have different results instead of just they always win or anything Results, you know, he didn't provide her with a gun. She took it from bills, uh, and she's also killed before preferred the game version tibba tibba and uh the second one if uh You spend a lot of time discussing that ellie was changed by having to shoot that guy She mentions more than once that she's done it before The writers probably shouldn't have included that but they did I think she says she's done something before She's hurt someone before I don't think that killing a person or whatever She's done in whatever context she's done is going to change the fact that she had to do what she did in that scenario He also didn't want to talk about it when joel asked her about it Yeah, my I would say that our major points are just that her acting and The writing shows that this had a huge effect on it and joel recognized it whether or not she's killed someone before It still had a huge effect on it is what's important and then uh, just I'm not sure what the whole like he didn't provide it with the gun She took it from bills Did we say anything different? Yeah, I I mean we saw that same What do we think he got or is of course, you know, we know that we think she got the gun She got the same gun that um frank took out when he went outside to defend billy's from the same place as well Is that very good? Yeah, um, yeah, I know she took the gun and then saying um preferred the game version I'm not sure exactly what part you prefer but uh, I prefer the show vision for sure on that one Civic scene if it's the specific scene of her shooting the guy then yeah, the show is better on that one Yeah, I think so, but we will it's a scary thought, isn't it? Well, it's a thing I'm I've shat enough on how the the game does things better than show But I think there are times now where there's the show doing things better than game But we got this one. I guess I'll read this here. I go I completely disagree that this was better than in the game His cruel words and treatment give ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing joel's view of her as a Burden which makes her arc his arc more impactful because he grows to view her as a daughter He's already treating her like a fatherly figure in episode four by trying to shield her from the horrors of the world In the game, he made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want a liability and needed to protect his cargo In the show, he doesn't want it to be traumatized and obviously protecting the cargo a small difference But it has big impacts on other characters of view I don't see joel as a hard and jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers His arc will be less impactful and i'm not okay with that. There's a lot here It is a lot His cruel words and treatment give ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing death to this So I assume they're talking about the game version. They are indeed the scene where he Says to it like you just hang back like I told you to Well, you're glad I didn't right I'm glad I didn't get my head blown off by a goddamn kid That's almost meta or you're appealing to What his words allow her to do as a character or would allow her to do as a character When in joel's perspective that wouldn't really be a reason why he said those things what they did in the show Was they had joel essentially recognize that she did ultimately save him And he doesn't get angry at her for doing that he gets very he becomes apologetic to her That she was put in a situation like that that he shouldn't have allowed to happen Which is a different way to take it, but I think is ultimately really really Excellent and comes across as more fatherly to me actually. Well, so that's part of the criticism I guess that's too fatherly. He should be it's too fatherly too early. That's That seems too early. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think this is too early at all. I think we've already done Yeah, we're in episode four So I want to bring up is a while in So his cruel words and treatment give ali a hard time to stand up for herself Give her a time to do it while reinforcing his view of her as a burden They actually did this in episode three. Nobody made you go along with this plan You needed a truck battery or whatever and you made a choice. Don't blame me for something. It isn't my fault He's like looking at it almost like a noi because that's almost expected that this whole thing wouldn't have happened If not for this new mission they had that was thrust on them because of all the shit that happened with robert and Marlene in a way you could see it as though if if if ali never existed test would be alive And she cut through all of that immediately, which I think shows some level of emotional intelligence on it Park Steal it for herself one part though here Yeah, and then of course in response to that he's gonna see you which he does at that point and has done As fucking this this thing I've got to deal with But at the same time she is a kid and we've talked about how they've been chipping away at that Be it through her jokes or her commentary on anything her way of trying to interact with him What bill has said how she reflects sira how she reflects tess and then like having to worry about what she should be exposed to and stuff I think they've they've done all the beats they require and the thing is you might want to replay the game He's already similarly as fatherly to her at this in the similar timeline. I would say now the safety zone Do you know how to switch it off? I do okay, you just You gotta respect it. This is not good. Joel. I'll be careful okay Yeah, because you gotta think about where these events take place in the context of other major beats because the really important thing with the Henry and Sam beat is that's the thing that makes Joel want to get off You know, he he doesn't want to really do this anymore He wants to pass this off to there's part of the reason why he wants to pass it off to tommy He don't want to deal with the with like this feeling of um the peril that she's in And how culpable he's gonna be if she gets hurt or killed That's one of the things that's informing in any way and in terms of the timeline You know episode four is about close to that as uh The payoff was in the game as well to which one might be able to say it's like Well, maybe he should be a little bit further along in terms of warming up to uh to ellie by this point I think one could even make that argument as criticism of the game because part of what I like about the show's vision Is yeah, you shot someone and saved me So you take the gun off and then he's like, okay fine. Here is the gun This is how you use it use it for emergencies like that seems the most reasonable development Meanwhile in the game he takes it off. It says she did something wrong and then she's later on it's just like you're an asshole I I didn't break your rules for any other reason that I thought you were in trouble And she says uh, whatever and then after that he's like, okay, I need to go down there and do things Here's a rifle. Keep me covered and it's it's like you're supposed to gather I think from the subtext in the game that it's like you see he does trust it with guns now And it's like yeah, but nothing was given back and forth between the characters It was more so just um, you know, you shouldn't have done that. I saved your life and he's like And then gives you the rifle like okay while the conversation the show I found to be way more meaningful and this is someone who really likes the story in the game Just saying I just think it's kind of the problem that I have with the comment is there's not much of a It's like it's it's more so just pointing out how it's different from what the game had and then sort of consequently Would be less impactful without much consideration for how the changes that were made so this payoff here will feed into the arc That they're setting him on in this show, which may be different than what was in the game Like there's not much consideration to anything that was gained by doing it this way It seems to almost have been treated like a strict loss. Yeah, which is a bit weird Right considering that it's like well Surely you would have to acknowledge that what's been created here in terms of more elements of a feeling of he failed And so she had to do that and then loss of innocence or you know something along those lines Like that that as a dynamic There's got to be something there right or is that is that neutral? Is that of no value at all part of what seems to be said in this comment is the That's something you would gain like a fatherly expectation trying to protect it from particular Whatever experiences that you should protect it from someone engage with some that's a fatherly thing It's like no, I'm pretty sure that is just a basic humanity thing So moving as an adult if you're moving a human child around different places They're just automatically this happens in real life if you see a kid fucking around with something Or about to eat like something off the floor you as a person like oh You shouldn't be doing that that's like whether or not they're cargo And so like having those elements is that's part of why the last versus awesome It it chips into him with some other things that surround the idea of becoming fatherly to it And then it will generate that that relationship Oh and of course by the way that i'm just not because in the game He made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want a liability So this is that ludonarrative dissonance coming back in ellie is an active participant in combat Yes, and not to mention that uh, you can't even make that argument for the comparison because he gives her the rifle almost straight after that Yeah, but that's a big one actually she actively participates in combat. She'll like throw bricks at people She'll stab people with the switchblade like in close quarters combat So like Joel is clearly pretty comfortable with having her be in the fray Yeah, he doesn't keep her like out of the whole area or anything But in fact that actually seems like it could present a serious problem And then a license So that's adding the argument that you're making about like the arc that he's going on And so when they say a small difference, but it has big impacts on the kind of characters of view It's like I think I agree with you, but I'm obviously gunning for the positive effects I'm like these small changes, but they're having really good effects And then to say I don't see Joel as a hardened jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers So first of all Joel Joel cares about strangers very much. Yeah, he helped Henry and Sam Not only that he he is so hyper aware of the average person that he doesn't trust basically anybody until he's in situations where he is Essentially they've proven themselves by circumstance like Henry and Sam They could in the game have shot him when they met but they don't and that's quite a bit already for him to trust them Then they find out that they're they're similar in that they're both being hunted by the local like rebels And so then they slowly connect and yeah, he um He goes on limb for them a decent bit So I would say game Joel cares about strangers and so does show Joel so I don't agree with that part Game Joel and show Joel are hardened. Of course they are. Well, how would we rate hardened? He executed a man by stabbing him in the heart like I I think that makes you hardened Like I don't know man. Yeah, and yeah, I mean other guys as well Whether it's the game or the show I think Joel is absolutely intended to be seen as a hardened jaded man Who's somebody who has been a smuggler in this hellish world for 10 or at least 10 years I want to go further than saying he is I want to be like what is hardened and it relates to like being able to do these really harsh things with Billy what seems to be a Billy any kind of emotional effect on you. You're that far along in experience now You know what needs to be done Subject of jaded he literally says there's no saving the world Well saving that it can't be saved and that you have to it's much more tighten it in terms of your priorities So I would say that he is hardened and jaded And you're wrong on the statement that either of them don't care about strangers The point being made here is that the show the show is like actually pretty good. Um, So far. Well, yeah, and the whole his arc will be less impactful. Can you please wait until his arc is over? Wait until it's over and then we'll see, you know Because I think they've got lots of pieces in place that could make it really strong I don't know. It just feels like um, it feels like even This far into the show. It's like a lot of people aren't willing to Let it well to play out on that note rags read this last comment. All right Four is beyond a pattern. The show is gonna be good. Game of thrones had four good seasons But after that I get you want to be optimistic But the reality is a four good episodes is just that four good episodes It's more likely the show will be good, but it's still very possible They'll hillhouse midnight mess it up, especially considering how the two second part of what they're adapting went I'm just saying be cautious with your optimism. So, um Before seeing any of the show, I probably would have said it's gonna be bad Then someone would be like it's made by the guy who made Chernobyl Yeah, but uh, Neil Druckmann though It's like Neil Druckmann made the last first part one at least with a lot of people It's like yeah, but look what he made recently. Okay. All right, fine That seems like it's relatively reasonable. You can say it's gonna look looking bad watch episode one It's like that was pretty solid I mean it might be okay. Watch episode two is really solid. You're like, uh, I don't know. It's still fine. Watch episode three Like damn, that was even a risky move and you managed to nail it I don't know. Yeah, sure. Maybe watch episode four really solid and filled in a whole bunch of blanks We were looking for it's like at this point it's like well I would just be lying to you if I said that I thought it was still gonna be bad Of course, I now think it's gonna be good. I felt the same way for house the dragon I would have said the same for hillhouse and midnight mass as we were watching I'd be like this is gonna be great. In fact midnight mass after a couple of episodes I would have said this is gonna be fucking amazing Well, I think it's it's relatively straightforward, right by the end of season four a game Wow, I guess before the finale, right because that's where you think it goes bad If somebody went into season five with the expectation that it would be good Nobody would say that that's unreasonable. Yeah, I think the position right now Is that the show will be good? Yeah, because the other one would just be assuming that it's gonna completely collapse based when all of the input so far has been Positive we've had loads of standard setups and payoffs We're running characters in a very consistent way They seem to care about how they build their world and they seem to pay attention to like ammo and gun limitations as well as human limitations for a lot of things characters have made some pretty Clever decisions here and there. I'm not going to say it's flawless because it isn't The detail of the production standpoint And but when you see all of those values being repeated You're like, all right I think there's there's good reason to assume that this will be repeated in the future episodes because these were all made Together, I don't see why I was gonna guess I would guess that it would be good But uh, you know, you can appeal and rightly so it could be anything could be a disaster that we're about to see in episode 5 6 7 8 9 That could be Doubt it though. I just don't think it will yeah I think uh, if we're gonna be betting on one thing right now, it's that the show will be good Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be the safest bet I think and if someone said a half turned out to be bad I'd be like safest bet at this point was good though I don't I don't what would be the a hard be like well Yeah, but I'm pretty happy with a lot of the The coverage so far and the dissection and analysis of the show There's not really any motivation for us to be nice to this show We've been kind of rule to the last of us IP for the past few years I was not expecting this to be this good And of course there were all the comments beforehand about video games and adaptations that were pretty frustrating as well Yeah, um, even though this is probably one of if not the best I mean If it stays, I mean the fact that we've had four good episodes puts it really high up Anyway, I guess the more relevant question would be how does it stack up to arcane by the end? Oh, well, that's the thing I feel like arcane's a different thing faithfulness low, but quality high This is faithfulness pretty high quality. I doubt I like it as much as arcane by the end But you know what I'm happy to be surprised Yeah, it's just arcane It has a lot of characters A lot of characters with great arcs In any case you guys are ready for us to watch episode five. I am ready. I am so ready. You're excited for this one. So The record have not really heard much complaints for this one. Mostly just praise anything. So I don't know Really the have been trying to avoid Uh, the assumption we have of course is that this is just going to be the conclusion of the kansas city arc Yes, everything here. Henry sam and kathleen stories will likely end in this one Or maybe continue you never know kathleen seems to me like the kind of person that will die this episode I don't know. Yeah, I think so and I think it will be the bloater. I just want to see the bloater man squish someone's head like Like a tomato. I want to see the bloater go. Whoo Yeah, definitely done away with them uh opening scenes, huh? Yeah, well, yeah, I guess we were wrong about that We kind of thought that that might continue forever. It might just be now. We'd not get anymore at all Because you never know When are they gonna make the first of us the prequel the last of them The first of us the precursors. Well, not legacy. It will just be the precursors I'm sure do love freedom. Oh, is this great. This is when they beat fedra Yeah, I assume so. Yeah, fuck you fedra Man, there's a lot of people here too. Yeah, there is a lot of people Yeah, I'd have to imagine this is gonna be building up who these bad guys are Oh, this seems Maybe this is a bit much fellas. This is this is definitely, uh, not okay Come on guys use your words Well, uh, I don't know. Maybe fedra. We're really bad Really bad. Oh, so yeah, this will be Henry and Sam You'll receive a fair trial. Yeah If you have to assure me that that's the thing you're gonna do then I'm like, oh, yeah We're already past me. Oh, Jesus Christ. Just dragging to do. Yeah, this is this is encouraging about your free fair trials It's almost like a looney tunes death full of knives. Yeah, yeah, seriously This is what the way to do it start up with these guys give them a gotta get to learn them Especially if this is the only episode we get with them. Well, it's a big if who knows Bloods to be as all over the walls Oh, yeah reassuring hurts the ambience, you know, perry. I used to be so scared of these people Did it feel good? The train your neighbors to fedra watching us hang So that you could get medicine alcohol fucking apples How does it make you feel now? We could put you on trial. You're all guilty. So that's how that'll go. Where is Henry? You're informers Inform Kelvin he's with edelstein Well, he was a lot more discreet than you fucking idiots Where are they? He had a place to hole up in the open city. Haven't you heard? Kansas City is free. I swear. I've told you everything I know. Of course you have You're a rat. I don't think they're ever gonna let Rats so to speak ever be a Non-prison or non-killed. Yeah, the perception would be that if I've done it before they can do it again It's not even just that it's like a You chose that when we were at our worst. So at our best you don't deserve shit and you won't get shit He's not my seventh priority. Perry. Is that what he is to you? Right, so this whole time he's sort of just been like, hmm about this vendetta. We are not really putting them on trial When you're done burn the bodies. It's faster. That'll be the body plan He's exactly what we expected in terms of the way that she conducts herself He's clean and ruthless Yeah, and it's simple math to her. You betrayed us. You got us killed. You got us hanged. Now you get hanged sort of thing Uh, yeah, she's gonna be a vengeance character. And like you saw what everyone was doing there Apparently her executing people is not out of the fucking realm of usual Yeah, I'm not acting like this is something that she just came up with that day for that moment Seems like fedra were doing it to them for years and then they did it Do you see all they would fucking do into like some of them? Yeah, the rules of the game apparently is just how everyone's operating. I'm wondering if uh Is it that sam is deaf or that they're using sign language because it means they can communicate without, you know, making a sound I don't know seems like it'd be Oh Well, I guess we're about to find out. Oh Is he edelstein then Must be oh edelstein grunting. There you go. Oh, so when we caught up with him like he had just been captured, I guess Yeah, yeah, because this was the room that they found in the episode I barely made it out as is so we're fucked up food ammunition empty. Yeah, so is mine. So we'll sneak our way out tunnels Tunnels I'd go to the trouble you can kill yourself right here. I think we can make it 11 days Such a long we have to figure it out He's scared because you're scared I wonder if we're gonna get some parallels for these two I already got ourselves establishing some little, you know things they like to do Well, remember when they encountered uh Golan ellie he kind of had he'd like drawn on kind of like the well they say in super sam the superhero kind of Yeah, they were both drawn as superheroes makes him brave makes him feel Yeah brave I wonder how you do italics in sign language Yeah, I guess no more food and everything you got to leave Yeah, they were mentioning that they needed to figure out a plan to leave here within the 11 days Yeah, 11 days assuming that it was the three of them splitting the food. So it's probably been you know around that Well, it's been 10 days. They said before so it must be a long enough So they need to move out The food, I don't know if they have an escape plan yet though doesn't seem like like they do I mean whatever plan they might have had might have been ruined by them doing all these patrols also the death of Edelstein, I like that I was spending so much time with these characters right now is helping even out the distribution of screen Screen time across all characters like the the bill episode up until now felt like very Unique and it's it's lack of Joel and Ellie, but now we have another episode like it. You know what I mean Well, yeah, I think getting carried through if this story is kept to the game story I think this one's going to go over way better with people Yeah, I think um one of the benefits that they're having with the show is that because the game has a fixed perspective on Joel and Ellie because of them being player characters means that you can't really have scenes like this in in those games Yeah, whereas here you can have the uh, you know just episodes on about Joel and Ellie because it's not a fixed perspective show If you want to get to brass tacks technically speaking, this is all unfaithful right now This isn't in the game right because this is the story that we didn't get but it's good story I like I think most people would say that it is faithful so far Well Between like disfaithful and unfaithful in a way where if it's not contradictory It's one thing if you're adding supplemental stuff. It's another. Yeah Oh, that'll be Joel So a question I was gonna have was the nature in which they got to Joel and Ellie And if it is as simple as they followed them then good Yeah, because it looks like that might happen There'll be one more shot to here, right? With a shotgun when he buzzer. Yeah. Yeah, well two more shots. Oh, you're right. Yeah, and then a series of screams Ah, maybe they cut before Hmm. Yeah, they probably did. I guess they're thinking we'll follow these guys These are these are not friends of our enemies. So yeah enemies of our enemies will hopefully be our friends It's not a bad idea. Oh There you go. It's addressed All right, there you go. That's what I mean guys. Just go to wait like remember what to do And I think this show with the quality we've seen so far certainly did deserve the benefit Doing their best to avoid it Oh, all right, that was pretty expeditious. Yeah, now we're here. Yeah, that was quick Eyes on me Okay, we didn't hurt you So you don't hurt us. That's right. So we're fucking told man. That's just the way he sounds He has an asshole voice Joe. Tell him he's okay He has an asshole voice Everything is great They've really got so little choice, you know Yeah, they can't get these two to help them Yeah, my name is Henry. It's my brother sam I'm the most wanted man in Kansas City. Okay. I pegged him for a while I guess he's running a close second. Well, yeah, that's about how I'd expect that to go. I suppose. Yeah He's just thank you I guess you don't have much so It means a lot I'm ellie I'm Joel. You wait. We didn't kill each other. Let's call this a win-win and wall. Let's call it a win-win Now y'all came up here to get a view of the city and plan a way out and when the sun's up I'll show you one. All right. We got something you want. Hey, all right And Joel is a very capable man. Well, yeah, it looks like that's where the drawn to him as well, right? You would have saw him shooting Oh, there you go, great tortured a murder for 20 years from fedra. That's why these people are fucking crazy then. Yeah I'm a collaborator I don't work with rights. Yeah, you fucking dude. I know the city and that's how I'm gonna help you get out You think it will enough your arm and wrong and wrong Never killed anyone I'm pointing an unloaded gun to choose the closest I've ever come to being violent. Oh, yeah, that's right The guns were empty remember mission empty. Yeah, so is mine. That's right. They are empty Yeah, doesn't it at all feel like there's just all the blocks that are required of getting built like one by one Yep information required here got it information required here got it Wow It's been a while since that boy even cracked a smile. I've heard that in a long time She doesn't seem bothered by all this So, where were you hidden? So, how are we getting out? And now you can do some character stuff That's the binding element these two kids. I've heard that in a long time Yeah, and Joel's still very that is the jaded element of him struggling whenever nice things happen. He's like nah, nah highways They got people posted all around the inside perimeter. We get close. We get caught You remember what like toy or something that's from I want to say that it's slightly familiar I know Yeah Pretty clever. I like that. Is it done with magnetism? I can't remember. Yeah, they're magnetic filings that are drawn to the surface with the pen Also, um, it's just with saying I think the actors for Henry sound pretty good so far. Yes Yeah, you notice anything strange about this city. I mean no infected. Where are they infected? Yeah There's an infected. Fedra drove them underground 15 years ago and never let them come back up The fedra guy that I worked with told me that it's clean completely clean. They cleared it out all of it. When? like Three years ago Okay, maybe there's one you see like frown at him a little bit of a head if you like no, no, no good You ran into a clicker and you're still alive. You're the right people If it's bad down there, we turn around. If it's the best option. Oh, that's your great plan No, that's my dicey as fuck plan No, that's the problem. Yeah, you can't stay here. They're going to help us escape I've seen it feels to me like Joel would find it so much easier to fuck this guy over if it was just him And not this other kid with him because it makes it much difficult to treat this these people as non-genuine They probably are I think it's this way Joe in that age they're joe as well May he's tired Where she left it I'm not sure from that expression if he knew and he was just like, yeah, I know you put it in your fucking pocket I know you didn't listen and she seems pretty happy to be told to pull it out. Yeah plan is good Plan is good. We've been down here two seconds. We don't know anything Point your light forward. This is just you and your daughter I promise someone I'd look after you ready to run Because most of this hasn't been like the game so far. Oh, yeah, that's quite different. The thing is we got the sewer sequence I guess is that this is what we'll be doing instead. It's similar enough. Yeah pretty spoopy down there Hey, you don't know what's in there, man Doesn't surprise me at all. I think Joel is generally protective of children I think a lot of people just naturally would be oh, I think if someone wanted to say like well There's some people who aren't it's like well Joel obviously it makes sense that he would be he's been a father But yeah, you're right. A lot of people at base are anyway I heard about places like this People went underground after a nice set build settlements. What happened to them? Maybe they didn't follow the rules and they all got infected That's straight out of the game that picture five six 11 so cool Your Survive fuck. Yeah, man. Keep it down. We're not out yet. Oh come on Can we just rest here for a while wouldn't be so bad to wait and light out a bit Safer in shadows when we pop back out on the other side. Makes of the same Hey Did you see that let's keep it down, buddy. Okay. Yeah, I'm very jagged now is a What's what I mean? I don't understand like if someone hadn't even played the game They would be like this Joel guy man. He's like a he's like a downer in every environment It's like yes. He is that's that's who he is Nothing is ever safe. Nothing is ever you look at that Collaborating to take care of him. I shouldn't have said what I said It seems kind of cruel to send a whole army after you for that Sam yeah Got sick. There was one drug that worked and it belonged to fedra I was gonna take something big The leader of the resistance movement in Kansas City and Kathleen's brother. Well, that's probably why she's in charge Yeah, yeah And that kind of like man and that's why she's ruthless and that's why everybody is the way that they are This guy apparently was fucking great. I am the bad guy because I did a bad guy thing Man almost like you guys should have waited a little bit Did you imagine dealing some significant damage on behalf of one person Joel? Did you do that? It's pretty good as a seed to set up for later on. Yeah It's just they're just doing the work they're supposed to the whole season is gonna build up all with all these different Environments and characters doing their different choices and then he's gonna have his This is kind of the last of us too in microcosm this story. I like that sock was a violence Well, I mean she's abby and Henry is Joel. Why are you talking to my mom? This room seemed so big Michael told me that this wasn't a room at all It's the big wooden box so that nothing could get inside of He said as long as we were together We would be safe He was so beautiful I never was He would be Horrified by the things I've done and if you've come to tell me that Michael wouldn't want me to hurt Henry That he would want me to forgive. Your brother was a great man We all loved him The last time I saw him alive. He told me to forgive and what did he get for that? Where is the justice in that? What is the point of that? He didn't change anything You did I can't believe it Like we we've got everything. Yeah, this is very well done. This is everything. She's clearly everything we needed She relied on her whole life So her brother her brother took care of her brother made her feel like a good person. He was taken from her now He's gone. And so she'll do anything to get revenge on him Even though that's not what the brother would want and she understands the context she does She's choosing this and it's gonna fucking backfire at it More or less on board anyway, because they all liked him and they and they did like him He was a decent leader or whatever for the morale probably the personnel But she's the one that actually made change happen But the the often the dichotomy right the principled idealist and then the The realist yeah who makes things happen And yeah, that was just you needed only one scene to do it for her and that was that was it That's everything about her now. We have it was real awkward now that saying like, you know her being the leader here Previous episode was about her. It was a setup. Now it's about her, isn't it? That's how it works This scenario looks similar. Oh, this looks like something. Yeah Well, we're going to Wyoming What it's a huge state. It can fit two more people. Yeah state Maybe we just call this one a success and say our father well No, I don't change his mind. Trust me. This is how he goes. He's like, no Oh, wait Never ever ever happening And then I'm like, I'm gonna ask you a million more times and me Yep There's the cycle that sounds like the sound effect of nearly getting detected. Do you hear that? Yeah, oh, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, they're like, it's a shame about this bright ass moon It is very bright, isn't it stay here Fucking sniper, what do we do? Do you see where? Somewhere down the street. Stay here If you don't move He's not gonna hit you right now Y'all stay here. No before you start. I need you guys to keep him busy I'm gonna go around Try to get in the house through the back and then I'll take him out. I'm gonna go around and I see if I can't get the angle on him, but if you go out there, he's gonna kill you It's dark and he has shit aim. Nobody's gonna kill me. Then he's gonna kill us. Okay. Hey Be careful You trust me This is one to one with the game, right? Yeah, you go around the side To ambush me was during the day in the game. That's the only difference. Yeah. Yeah mad. It is very bright Yeah, this is a bit this is bright It's very bright. Well, yeah Like yeah, most full moon night can be bright sure, but like come on Well, it's just a common thing in shows and movies, right? Well, like it's you blue shift it or like this is a bit different Well, you commit like support dick and make it so you can't see shit Yeah, yeah, well it would actually be night, but they put a very high wattage light way up on sticks Slide it over to me And then stay up here for another hour. That's all you have to do Please don't do it. Well, I had to do that would be hardened again Oh, he was and you would have called them by now, right? Probably. Yeah That's how they did it. Okay Nice because yeah, they're gonna have I was wondering if you were just a lone old man sitting up there I was actually gonna say why the fuck is there a lone old man? It was like, oh, he's a fucking Oh, here we go Gotta get him in the face I'm glad he's missing though because people do mess instead of just getting, you know, oh I need you Take the time with this one Yeah, there you go. That's that's the way you do a payoff like that. Yeah, panic shots and then like, okay, breathe Geez Oh shit, man. All we missed it now is an obvious obvious. I'd say Who is that going to be the rumble that wakes him up or maybe Is this Unrelated to the the little hole they had back in that other place, I guess that was just evidence that they're underground Yeah, I don't see how anything else would save them. It would have to be a whole to zombies Just let the kids go. Sorry The girl is with the man who killed brian and well, Sam's with you. You don't understand But I do I know why you did what you did He's just a fucking kid kids die, Henry They die all the time He's worth everything. Man. I wonder what that's relevant to. Holy shit. Yeah Get ready to take him and run. Yes Do it It ends the way it ends That'd be a hole I wonder if he's realizing what this is. I'm wondering. Yeah, if Joel knows what this is. I think they all Sort of realize what yeah Oh, oh fucking boy Dude awesome Oh, look at that. It's actually the amount of bullets is making a difference, but there's just so many of them Yep, and once they scatter around it gets harder and harder and now you're just gonna get people getting picked off in it Oh, he's looking stressed out. Gotta have tight aim now. Yeah Where's that bloater though? Yeah Well, it's crazy to write because every person they kill by biting then turns into one, right? Eventually, right? Well, if they kill them, they're dead and I think it depends on where they're bitten Oh, yeah Oh Oh, damn, look at that Christ I think he was going for a sidearm there as well. Oh, that's his head off yet Why are you gonna? Why are you gonna do that? Oh Look at that, man. He's selling that fear Can't stand there She can That was pretty neat. Jeez. We're gonna really confident, aren't we? Yeah, those are some close shots I guess they're literally closer at least Oh, and yeah, she's good Someone's gonna eat you lady water's coming. All right And there you have it All complete story finished. That is the point being made That's what you get Bye That's it for them Really does a great job of showing just how fearsome they are You know how how bad it is when they show up Yeah, and it looked like they were starting to run over to they just go back to Kansas City, right? And there's going to be plenty more people to eat there. I'm just going to get overrun. Okay. Yeah Seems like the big thing as well that makes some super threatening here is that they're more organized Whereas in the original there's no like seeming like you know, which seems to be the network idea Yeah, which which helps I think I think it helps make them more threatening because it's not about just randomly bumping into Them and then you get in trouble. It seems more so like there's a potential to be overrun What's that comic book say? Endurance survive Endurance survive That's just redundant. Yeah, it's not great. Look. I don't know exactly how I'm getting to wyoming. I'm probably walking What? Last I heard he was in wyoming. We get there. We find him. We find the fireflies You know if you want to eat yeah Yeah Sounds like a good plan, man Yeah, I think it'd be nice for Shem to have a friend I'll tell him in the morning Oh Silence springy Taking stock of all the food we found today I see And how are we doing on canned peaches? Did henry send you? No Well, I would henry send me To make sure i'm not fucking up some how I'd say we all did pretty good back there Especially you Can you hear me? Is everything all right? Everything's fine. Well Have a good night. How is it that you're never scared? Who says that i'm not What are you scared of? Scorpions are pretty creepy Being by myself I'm scared of ending up alone. What about you? Those things out there What if the people are still inside? What if they're trapped in there without any control of their body? Scared of that happening to me? Okay First of all, we're team now. Okay, we're gonna help each other out and second They might still look like people but that person is not in there anymore Henry says that they've moved on That they're with their families Like in heaven Do you think that's true? I go back and forth I'd like to believe it But you don't I guess not Me neither A serious talk I almost forgot If he doesn't know about it, he can't take it away I'm pooped. I'll see you tomorrow I guess that's impression. She may have gotten from the fireflies. Oh not on the palm. You're doing the thing I mean this worst thing that's just fucking mixing blood right now, which is a general no-no everyone That is a general no-no. Yeah, if you get anyone's blood in you You need to uh get medical attention immediately Bsi body substance isolation Unfortunately, this is something she may have concluded because she's not from like fireflies Obviously deliberately didn't tell you much at all about how she's holding the cure Or maybe she knows it's bs and she's just trying to make him feel better in the moment No, I think she genuinely believes this may help. Yeah, look at this They only told her the nature of her importance right before they handed her off to Joel And so they may have just said like your blood is the key to the cure That's probably why she thinks this should work and then of course the first thing she did when he showed her Who was look over the other room because if Joel finds out he will shoot this kid So he'll stay awake with him to make sure he's immune too, right? That smells good Good morning Where's sam? I let him sleep in for once Oh Well, if you wanted to join us you can go wake his ass up Sam Shit he's turning Screw it You gotta get you right. Are you okay? Oh my god Sam, Sam Easy, easy, easy Henry You gotta stay there Henry What what what did I do? I'm gonna get that gun for me. Okay Oh, okay. Okay. Easy Is this your fault? This is nobody's fault Henry It's all your fault Henry Henry no Yeah, that hit pretty much as hard as it does in the game Which way's west? Off they go to Wyoming Well, that was a really good episode. I like that a lot. I don't know. I guess it's five and around now Was there anything that we asked for that wasn't in there? That was basically everything that we expected and wanted and maybe a little bit more as well Uh in a few places. It's it's it is becoming increasingly clear with each successive episode What we're building up to thematically like all of the seeds are being planted with all of these stories Very deliberately that lady she was just perfectly characterized. She's yeah She's doing the thing where you when you decide there are no choices in the world There are only um what happens as a result of this other thing like you make yourself an object in the world is I think the philosophy behind it and that's what she is as a character She's decided when she talked to her with Henry, right? I know why you did what you did is to save your kid But you know, fuck you. Maybe a kid should die. Why did my brother die? Like how does that work? Fuck you. You die now. That's that's just it's the dominoes And it's how everything fucking works in this universe a lot of the time at the core There's some good decision that was made or at least a decision that was bad It was made for good reasons and there's just like, yeah, well repercussion is I fucking kill you now Actually, okay hot take. I think this is the last of us two done properly this episode. Uh-oh careful. Yeah, kind of Uh, you know the the how it you know that the whole self-destruction element and you know, it can lead you to be Well, because this was what they kind of tried to do with the uh, the wlf and the the other guys, right? You're part of they Umbrelled and the fighting that they collapsed We're in this case It was a bit different than that because we've got like you've got like this very fundamentally personal conflict That is kind of like playing out here But then it all like in the face of the existential threat There's a choice before you you're gonna let this go and like work together Or are you not going to do that and then we see what happens in her case One of the hold on to her so she died One of the larger gaps in the last of us two as far as I was concerned always was that we never got to see Abby address the reasons that Joel did what he did part of the reason that happened Is because the writers went familiar with the reason why Joel did what he did Well, they hadn't figured it out. They weren't or they changed their mind. They were Yeah, they changed it. Um god about them and the interim if fucked everything She is hyper familiar with what he did and why and she's like and how you die And your kid dies. That's what happens next. That's what I think was missing for abby The only problem is as soon as you do that it turns them into a villain. That's what they are at this point Well an antagonistic. Yeah, especially to uh to You know our team, right? The thing about Henry's choice is I I essentially get this guy killed in exchange for saving my brother It's like that's a really tough thing that all of us would have difficulty And that's that's part of the bigger point of a lot of the hard choices made in the last of this universe Who's is it's done. There's nothing you gain by killing them anymore But I have to that's what I'm doing. It's what what happens It places her firmly in the role of villain a villain whose logic you understand but a villain nonetheless And what did they do to her? They had her strung out right till the end trying to get her vengeance and it got her killed It got everyone killed and it got everybody killed and it's going to destroy that whole city Yeah, all because she desperately Can't let it go because her brother was right and they didn't listen to him the brother had to figure it out He got it. He nailed it And I guess in a certain sense you'd be like well, I guess it's really sad then that Henry having to make this choice I guess ultimately led to this and it's like, yeah, I guess it is really sad that that's that's what happens But that's what happened in the story We are building up with all of these stories perspectives on like the choices that characters can make in the apocalypse Like the difficult choices about what people choose to value and how they choose to conduct themselves And it's so clearly deliberate, especially after this episode It's so clear what they're building up to like now, especially with having that change where ellie knows that um that sam got bit And that she made something of an effort that she thought she could do at the time to try and save him And then it doesn't work instead of in the game. She didn't know and then it was a surprise It's it's like you're kind of sowing the seeds a bit more of her really being motivated to uh To save everyone make this cure happen to save people because in this instance you tried and it didn't work Not that the game didn't have that as an element I guess it's just that this scene really like brings it to the forefront Which of course and and of course still having the same stuff with joll right that this experience is going to be the thing That is like the big push to pass ellie off to to uh to tommy Yeah, because enough enough dealing with this It's so fucking hard having to meet people care about them watch them die And then they die struggle to trust whether or not you should all this stuff like joll man Pedro Pascal is such a good job. This episode of convincing me. He's fucking strung out. This is so much to do with It looks really exhausted emotionally Emotionally exhausted. Yeah, he's just and by the way god damn they did some great work with henry and sam there one episode Yes, that's one episode. They did an actual job It's kind of it's just it's a different journey But it's the same format idea of giving them a lot of focus for one whole episode We get this start middle and end and and then how that story feeds into the story of joll and ellie I love this um this raw human shit happening where You might I think uh When when people watch a tv show they might try and like break it down logically in in an erroneous way I would go as far as saying this same thing happens in the game But basically when they burst in and ellie's being attacked by uh sam zombie so to speak and joll is immediately like Fuck i need my gun and then henry's like fuck. No, you're not shooting my brother It's like he's look like and it takes him just a bit and then he ends up shooting him himself Like because it's then there's that moment of deke of like starting to realize what's happened Right, it was like the heat of the moment the the choice and then Takes him a little bit of time to realize. Oh, yeah, it's just like I can't do this like I can't I can't like I can't do this It was his one job and he fails. That's how we would feel about it, right? It's the same for so many characters. That's how they feel and it fucking drives them Sam was the most important person in his life I mean and look at the choices he made to save sam and then sam dies, you know that weighs on him too, right? He made the plan even says what did I do like in that moment? I killed sam sort of thing which applies on multiple levels. It's really good storytelling um, there's just no No, uh, no other way. I happily give this episode excellent as a as a title for quality. This was really strong There's a couple of problems. I'd say but Well, it's generally part stuff right of like non-stop headshots like the joe was pulling off Yeah, I would have Get really good when it comes to when it comes to character It's it's really really really tight. This episode was really strong by way of character We got so much and it's rag said it. I'm glad he said it first, but like, yeah, I feel feel pretty vindicated Yes Kind of I mean like I said, they're five now. Yeah, now we're all five A lot of our expectations about what this episode was going to be were realized and particularly with regard to uh, It's Kathleen right there. Yeah, Kathleen. I mean, what doesn't make sense about her at this point. Yeah, exactly We got it. We we figured it out. We Well, they even gave us the Yeah, his brother in the role on a personable and social level and bound everybody probably gave him morale She's the one that came up with the plans and executed them likely because she's much more ruthless The commentary is the characters were two halves of a whole. That's what that's like. Yes And then they went when he was lost when he died The only thing that was left was the vengeance the ruthlessness no forgiveness. No mercy and look what it did compassion And then the consequences that everything gets destroyed because there are some pretty present things in the last of us About like the interpersonal relationships But then of course more of the challenges right of like well, how much is one person's life worth to somebody What are they willing to do? Does it mean, you know, are they willing to commit to saving one person's life when they know that that may well You know in danger or cause greater harm to a larger number of people like those sorts of things But in the case of her right, it's a good reflection of like what that path led to leads to destruction Not just of her but everybody it's everywhere like why did that the emergence whole fucking happened It's like well because Joel shot the shit out of the drive and they crashed Why did that happen because he's protecting Ellie more than fucking anything right now? Why is that happening because they're trying to attack them lot for having killed the brother that she loved more than anything Why are they doing that? It's like well Henry killed the brother technically speaking because he tried to protect the one thing That matters to him more than anything. Yeah It all comes back to that. He has lost about two cycles of violence, but way more effective. That's what I mean. I'm sorry This is this is what they were going for maybe if they have time now and they can reformat and rethink everything They can redraw and re figure out And actually create a last last three bit functions. I mean, this is the thing I mean, how do I not have some level of confidence after seeing these five episodes? No, that's you're wrong. Malo. It could my I will forever be worried about episode nine But yep, I'm really not that worried about the next set of episodes. They could fall apart, of course In the same way In the same way that they set the mark quite high. Well, they yeah I mean, yeah, I'm just so happily invested It's just this is just a gosh darn good show at this point. I'm enjoying watching it It's a very good show It's becoming more and more difficult to talk during it to actually be able to turn this into a video Paying attention paying attention and and becoming immersed in the story Yeah, and the journeys of good characters, you know what getting a little bit tired of seeing this around It's gotta stop. Oh, all right. So here we go. How do we judge? How good acting is all right? It's it's tough We've talked about before how it could be a little bit subjective But a lot of the time there seems to be general agreement on the best and worst that's something to start with I think there's probably three major things, right? Like one Well, the general is convincing you of the emotion they're feeling, right? That's the easy sort of thing The thing is yes What can what can we get closer to maybe being able to prove because me believing in emotion is really down to Me a lot of the time or other like individuals. I mean, so their ability to pull off different people Right, like Pedro Pascal. I think has proven this with all the characters we've seen him play Yeah, there's that kind of range Then there's the range of how many emotions and states of being can you pull off within a single character? Anyway, and then I think the third one which is often one that a lot of actors don't get to show off because of the Writing or the direction, but how do you perform under great pressure having to perform something extreme? Yeah, the extreme So Bella Ramsey has been shot on forever for being really shit in the show. They gotta stop. They have to stop Yeah, the first two episodes. I was pretty mad, but I think they finally Gave her she she really has proven that she could be a great character. Yeah episodes episodes four and five If I was to go with those three formats, right? I can't say to what she's like playing other characters Because this is the only character I've seen her play. Okay. Like uh, well, I've seen her play Joanna Mormont, I think for like five seconds in Game of Thrones. I don't think that counts for much But you know, like the beginning of this episode where she says, uh, that's a weird fucking tone, man That's just the way he sounds. He has an asshole voice. Joe. Tell him he's okay. She's doing stressed and assertive there I would say you could say disbelief and frustration when he he doesn't do what she says Everything is great Dude Fuck and so she has to sell those like emotional states then you go, um, she's done like rage in episode one People from sedra, you hear me? Let me out. Are you gonna pay mother fuckers? When she killed the guy like shocked stunned When when, uh, Kathleen was just eating like that was that was a shit ton of shock the camera hung on, uh, ellie for a bit there I think it's just she's watching someone getting eaten alive, of course Playful and like childlike stuff. She's done with sam in this episode Oh, man And then a lot of the playful stuff she's done with joe When she was like tearing up behind the wall And when she's talking about with joe about the life she's taken and stuff You could call that like that's like trying to portray vulnerable and like haunted shaken What we talked about how she's uh assertive and sticks up for herself with the whole Me for something that isn't my fault Like I said, it's sort of like emotional maturity But also being able to portray someone who isn't gonna allow herself to be sort of trampled over Which I think a lot of people said was like a trait that we're hoping to see Ultimately, I'd say that that's a pretty big selection of range of different emotions But then you've also got like the absolute shock and horror from um that ending sequence I think that was it for me after seeing that final scene. She's she's she's solid now I actually like her as ellie Oh, yeah, I think so it's weird because you are right in the sense that we can all pretty much align on Who the great actors are and who the terrible actors are very accurately across the spectrum? Yeah, in the middle it gets kind of gray, but I think the broad swath of actors It's generally agreed upon which ones are good and bad Even though there doesn't seem to be any sort of super hard criteria You know, are they able to convince people most of the time? Are they able to emotionally move people most of the time? Are they able to make you forget? It's an actor playing a role most of the time Seems to sort of be what is you know the thing that unites us on that the term acting is funny to me because when it's done Right, it's not really an act in a way like the emotions are real They usually a lot of actors pulled from a less than it's making the real thing in an in an artificial way in a sense Yeah, you'll have a lot of actors who unearth something from their past like the saddest moment in their life And they'll bring that energy into it like I've been on film sets where I've observed I saw this one day. I saw this actor. He was stood in the corner of a hallway and he was like crying Like he's like really sobbing. I could see his shoulders kind of moving around I'm like, is that guy okay? And everyone's like dude, just leave him alone. He's he's amping himself up for the scene He needs to get into this headspace and it's like, oh, okay. That's there. That was his process I feel like that's some people aren't they don't quite need to do that where they have to go into the corner of a room And and just block themselves off from everybody Some people are better at channeling that negative energy. Some some people can do it quite quickly Everyone has their own process But the emotions are real when the job is done, right? I think that that there would be one or maybe a selection of a couple of moments in that final sequence but especially that last reaction she has to um A lot of this show they seem to be playing with a lot of like how humans react is complicated to a lot of things But um the fact that she goes to like scream but it cuts off because It's like the gunshot plus the friend of yours committing suicide, but simultaneously it's all over And they did that with the zombies too at the end when it was all rowdy and there's the lights And they were screaming and everything and they just cuts to him in the hotel and it's just dead quiet I imagine to help with that scene like you think usually like if the camera is not on you Then they wouldn't have to set up certain things like whatever the camera is not seeing They probably had the guy who played henry there falling down even though he wasn't being filmed Just so the actress could better put himself herself in the situation where she's observing somebody kill themselves Be a bit different if somebody with a script was standing there instead. It's like, okay now cry ellie Yeah, they probably had actually had henry falling down pretending. He's dead Well, yeah, and she just stays at the body because We just went from what was a pretty good environment to everything falling apart entirely Yep, the night before things were great. I mean we I have this friend who's my age close enough We've got some traveling companions. We were able to you know, none of us are hurt things are like legitimately really looking up Like this is probably the best thing that's happened in a long time all things considered I know Pascal's great in the episode same for as we said Henry Sam and uh, I think Kathleen was pretty good as well the actress for her Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, didn't get a lot of her, but I was convinced in her villain origin scene. Yeah, that was good Yeah, and we needed it. So thanks for that Like this for me feels like the whole episode was just filled with stuff We needed just tell her the story and pretty strong as a So to speak half season finale, I guess I'm a fan and I guess six seven eight nine We shall see we are past the halfway mark. Yeah That's right. We are the majority of the story At least by slim margin and yeah so far so good. In fact just saying so far so good might be a little unfair It's been like the last few episodes have been pretty great. Yeah I've been very very pleased to the point where before we start an episode. I'm like, all right I'm ready to see what happens next. Well, I'm excited to see this episode already at this point Oh, yeah, looking forward to seeing it every week Well, three was the favorite for me then four and now five so and now it's probably five. Yeah, we imagine a lot of great work Six will come back down probably we'll well that'll be the probably the tommy episode Yes, yeah, which I guess the yeah I guess the question will be how much of a tommy's story Because they've got the the change here right where tommy's got his own sort of our troubles and problems going on Seemingly and I guess the question will be I wonder if we're going to see any of that That backstory that tommy is not so fond of of his time with joe During the uh the intervening years because he did not he does not like that time I imagine Episode six. They'll bring back the teaser. I think maybe maybe yeah Maybe we'll see like the direct aftermath of uh sarah's death like what joe's looking like for those first few days Or maybe we'll jump ahead a bit more the teaser slot really comes in handy with anything that it's like such a large time jump That it would it would be weird if they're all like connected together back to back without that buffer of the title sequence Like that flashback to jacarta It's good to have the teaser slot for a scene like that But you don't yeah, it's a good for a cold open. It's good for a uh thing that is Mockedly different from you know what the main story is or a different time like you said Yeah, so I can see them bringing back the teaser for a flashback with joe and tommy and then title sequence Back to the present. Well, and I guess the question is as well is that we're gonna see tommy's time with the fireflies We've got we're gonna have ellie and riley presumably we've got That's gotta be coming eventually and then of course you've got the david stuff. There's a lot left There's a lot left and I feel like they've uh, they've sown a lot of seeds They've done a lot of good work so far now. They gotta bring it home They gotta they gotta now the landing stick the landing When um, it's crazy to be to think that we're gonna be watching episode what like eight-ish around when mando starts The contrast way to go. We're gonna have like he's gonna be like I would like to buy some cheese Some blue space cheese. I can bring you in Dude, this is the way it's gonna be such a start This is the thing guys We've got to save for the good when it comes because we're gonna the sludge begins eventually You know the sludge is it's starting off real soon ant-man and then Ant-miss the sludge shower and lorian Yeah, well, it's because yeah because the beginning of the year has been pretty solid by way of media from video games and You know a television and films. It's been it's been really good. And I guess it's more broadly It's like how to know guys maybe give the show a little bit of credit It's very clear. There's a lot of trust issues with naughty dog and neil druckman projects That's why this is happening. Yeah, sure. But um, we're here to judge it for what it is not for who made it Yeah, it's what we always do and so far so good as as free said is an understatement. So yeah, so far so great in the game Sam doesn't show ellie his wound and like you're saying fringy It's a surprise when she wakes up in this version he shows her And she would she be so sure about her blood being the cure there on the wound that she would be Comfortable sleeping in that room. She wasn't comfortable sleeping in that room. She promised to stay awake with him and she fell asleep That's right. She wasn't the chair. Wasn't she? Yeah, you look at the way she was sitting She didn't intend to fall asleep. But that's just what happens, right? You close your eyes briefly and then you're asleep But uh, it's also yeah, you just have to believe she was sort of naive enough to think that it's as simple as a blood Transfer and she can cure a person or the very least Maybe right that she's gonna at least try something even though it's obviously probably not gonna work Yeah, it is naivety in that case like that's fine. I was just curious about it Well, exactly what was going through ellie's head. She was writers thinking there We can all agree that she would try it I think we've been character for her to try it and then she was gonna keep an eye on him And if things got worse do something but obviously and and you know, I think The reason why he didn't try to attack her earlier is the is the idea that he's actually deaf So he's just sitting there with no Necessary interaction. Oh Well, because in the game it was uh, he was standing by the window But that was because ellie wasn't in the room with him. But yeah, I think it's just she didn't mean to fall asleep. Yeah, of course Yeah, and then I can see that. Yeah Great episode. I mean fuck. I was riveted man like I'm uh, give me and we didn't see infected for a while But now they came back with a force and when they were all they're all running out of the ground like that It's like, oh Oh, I figure people will like this episode for that the abbey of zombies versus the soldiers We've got a nice bloater kill poor whatever his name is getting his head torn off. That was cool Yeah, which is you know, it always sounds weird, but that's neat that they gave him that role He got to do a couple things. Oh, yeah Yeah, Tommy's VA and uh, I'm pretty sure that uh, troy baker and ashley johnson Meant to be in a tomb. We haven't seen them yet. So we've still got more. Oh, and I think I'm not sure if Nolan north has a role as well They bring people back. Why they just Well, you have to this is the thing guys you kind of have to assume that's probably neil's doing probably I'm just like, hey, well, they were you know, they were part of the game So can we give him something in any case that's episode five Yep, thanks for watching everybody. Yeah, here we go Bye