 Can all be seated please? Forging ahead here. The consent agenda. President Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I make a motion to accept and file all the reports of officers, pass all resolutions, and accept and adopt all reports of committees. Okay, a motion and a second. If I may that will be 16-1 through 16-12. If 16-9, if we can make a note, 16-9 will be referred back to public works. So if everybody can make a note of that, so we're talking 16-1 through 16-12 with the exception of 16-9, which will go back to public works. We have a motion and a second on the consent agenda. Under discussion. Roll call, please. Motion carries. Communications and petitions 16-13 to be referred. Reports of officers to 16-14 through 16-25 to be referred. Resolutions introduced three. 16-26 through 16-31 to be referred. Reports of committees six. 16-32 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 8420 based on her failure to include all relevant convictions on her beverage operators license application and her record of violations related to the licensed activity. Alderman Boren. Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. We have a motion and a second. Please continue. Under discussion, Mayor is Lindsay Osich here tonight. She's not here, Mayor. Very good. Ms. Osich did appear before our committee on November 10th and because of her violations, she's actually ineligible for the license until 2017, so therefore an advice of the assistant city attorney, we we move to deny the license application. Thank You, Alderman Boren. Any further discussion? Roll call, please. Bauch, Bowers, Decker, Gisha, Hanna, Heidemann, Koth, Kittleson, Klein, Montemayor, Rindfleisch, Zurich, Vanderweel, Vu, Wongamon, and Boren. 16 ayes. Motion carries 16-33 by the Marina and Harbor Committee recommending filing document a communication from the Boys and Girls Club requesting permission to host the Gus Macker three-on-three basketball tournament at Deeland Park and denying the request. Alderman Sartre. Thank You, Mayor. I move that report of committee to be accepted and adopted. We have a motion to accept and adopt. Under discussion, Alderman Sartre. Okay, thank you, Mayor. Just giving the position of the of the Marina Committee, the Marina Committee is not opposed to the Gus Macker tournament and in our discussions, the concern they have is that, you know, it could be held at Deeland Park, it's fine in place of us, but the concern is having the portion of the Marina Park cannot be used as part of the tournament. Now, we have people that are spending, you know, a good $3,000 a year to have a slip. We have had complaints that people don't come to the Marina during the Gus Macker tournament to enjoy their shabuagan and their boats. We've had people that transient boaters avoid coming to our harbor during that period of time because of the congestion. There's been reports of noise, loud music, reports of women having vandalism reports. We have it reports of people sitting on other people's cars, you know, that are visiting or having their boats in the Marina. So the ambition of the Marina is that we love the tournament, but we prefer not to have a portion of it in the Marina parking lot. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Sartre. Next we have Alderman Boat. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would would have originally moved to file this document if I'd gotten, if my trigger finger were faster than Alderman Sartre. I couldn't disagree with him more. I think it's a misguided report of committee that seeks to to overstep what it really needs to do. I would urge all my colleagues to vote no on this so we can go ahead and vote it down, vote yes on filing, move to file it. And specifically here's why. I live within a couple of blocks of the Gus Macker tour and have for five years. And as the speaker earlier tonight said, it's a great weekend. Is it a little crowded? Is it a little cozy? Sure. But the families that walk past my house, it's a great summer day. I'm always out in my yard working. The families that come by with the bounce in their basketball and the kids in their jerseys ready to play, it's a great weekend. And as far as the Marina people, that's a public parking lot. And the sense I get, the sense I get is that they think it's their own little pine hills, and they don't want to put up with a little bit of extra cozy traffic that weekend. It's not, it's a public. If they want that kind of privacy, go down and join the yacht club. This is a public place, and this event on the lakeshore is very, very important to our city for all the reasons the speaker earlier tonight talked about. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Alderman Bauer. Next we have Alderman Bowers. Thank you, Barron. I vote yes on this by the Marina and Harbor Board. Two years in a row now, this committee has voted 7-0. Now, I'm not a member of either one of these committees, but last year if I recall, Alderman Gisha, Alderman Ryan, now Mayor Ryan, voted to not have this tournament down at the Harbor. This year the vote was the same 7-0 without those two gentlemen, two new members of the council voted 7-0. Now, I'd like to add this, the United States Sailing Association is going to be coming to Sheboygan, and we've been selected as the Midwest, if not the Worldwide Center, for these new boats, U-8s. We will be training people every weekend during the summer. They'll be coming, maybe Worldwide, I know they'll be coming nationwide, and they'll be, that's why the Harbor and Marina Committee actually voted not to have it there. So therefore, since this Harbor and Marina Committee has done this two years in a row without a single name vote, I would recommend to the lay members of this committee, since the city does not appreciate your work, that I would resign from this committee. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Bowers. If I may comment just quickly, last year there was a compromise, I believe, that was met on this issue after the Marina Committee had voted, and the event was held at Deeland Park. Alderman Hanna, you're next. Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I support having Gus Macker at Deeland Park. It's a great event. I've sponsored teams. I go down there. It's a well-behaved group of young people. I've asked the Marina Committee to, rather than be in opposition to work with this, use this as a marketing opportunity, team with Gus Macker, invite people to come to Sheboygan to stay at the Marina with their boats, to participate in the tournament. I just think it's an opportunity to make it an even more special event, and our lakefront is a huge draw to the Gus Macker people, and it puts us on the map. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Hanna. We have Alderman Gisha, President Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I haven't been part of the discussions this year regarding this, but as was stated by a speaker, I do have a boat down in the Marina. Historically, I've had one down there, and no, I haven't had any problems. The gatekeeper is there. I haven't had any issues with it. Others possibly have. I can just speak from personal experience. My concern isn't as much for the issues with the Marina is that I'm hoping that we can move on to the next document in our pile here and deal with the public works side of it. As I believe there has been some discussion on potential compromises with this. I'm concerned about the 28 spots, and I appreciate the fact that, hey, it's only 28 spots. It's only for a few days a year. The U.S. Sailing Association stuff going on down there. Life doesn't stand still. The activity down there is increased. If those particular spots in the boaters, when they say boaters, we're talking about the lot that has the boat ramp where all the boats can only park because they're long trailers, and now the New Sailing Association, which will have hundreds of people here on that very same weekend, if the personally, if the courts, the six or eight that they have on that lot can be put someplace else, and I understand there's been discussions regarding that. I have no issue at this time with having Gus Macker. I haven't sponsored teams, but I have been down there many times watching him. I do enjoy, is a great family event. Just as my friend and colleague, Alderman Bauch, I don't think the attitude of the boaters is that it's a Pine Hills situation down there to use that as a quote. The boaters do spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to rent a slip. There's a contract that allows them certain amenities, and we have to respect that part of it too. If you buy and pay for something, you should expect that. I have bought and paid for my slip down there and have had no issues, so I have not heard any personally negative from the boaters, but I do think we're going to cause a problem of congestion and fighting over spots if we don't move just those six or eight courts. I think that's a minor compromise, and I would hope that we could maybe dispense with this document, move on to the Public Works document, which is next, and have an amendment for another spot for those courts, such as the Tennis Courts or something like that. Just to free up that lot, I think that's a wonderful compromise of everybody working together on this, and we can move on from this issue, hopefully for years to come. Thank you, President Guesha. Once again, Alderman Serk? Yeah, I'd just like to clarify a point for my Alderman Bach. He mentioned that the Moon of Parkinot is a public parking lot. Well, I had a boat down there at one time, and in order for me to come to my boat, I had to go through a gated area, give the guard my boat slip. If we had guests coming in, they had announced that they were yet to visit us in our boat, so it really is not a public access Parkinot as the Alderman Bach seems to imply, so and again, the boaters are not against the term that they love it. The point is they would like to have their space too during that weekend, and it is a very busy weekend for boaters. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Serk. Alderman Bowers. I'd also like to add, it's not the problem with the basketball teams, it's with the management of Tom Wypin. For two years in a row, he has had instructions. Two years in a row, he's not lived up to them. Now I attended meetings where he was in attendance, and he said point blank that we did not inform him, or the committee did not inform him, of these new rules. Now if we did not inform him, everybody else knew about, I knew about, and I wasn't even on the committee. So what's to stop him this year from doing the same thing that he's done the last two years? Thank you, Alderman Bowers. Once again, Alderman Bouch. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd just say that I drive down. I'm guilty of actually visiting Alderman Gisha at his boat from time to time in the summer, and we may have had guards in the past, maybe when our budgets was bigger. Nobody's checking my license anymore when I drive up to his boat. Nobody's checking me when I walk through the gate either, so so that would be dispensing with that comment. So I would just close by saying, again, a no vote on this particular document allows us to get to the next document when we can talk about the compromise. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Alderman Bouch. We have no more lights here. Maybe we have a roll call, please. Are y'all clear on how you're voting? What? No, you're not. And I vote would deny the request. And I vote would deny the request for the Gus Macker to... Is that everybody get it? And I vote would deny the request. Yes. To be at Deeland Park. Yes. That is based on document number 1633, and back up under 1634. You can't pick this up. This is a... they want to deny this. 1634 would be to approve it at that location. Gotcha, so an I vote would be to deny. An I vote on 1633 will deny the tournament from being at Deeland Park. A no vote would keep it alive till 1634. Alderman Bouch, please stand up. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. But an I vote on 1633 would render 1634 moot, right? Correct. Okay, so a no vote on this will allow us to get to 1634. Correct. Thank you. Does everybody get it? Roll call, please. Okay. Bowers. Aye. Decker. No. Gisha. No. Hanna. No. Heidemann. No. Koth. No. Kittleson. No. Clayunas. No. Montemayor. No. Rinfleisch. No. Suric. Aye. Vanderweal. No. Vu. Aye. I'm sorry. Aye. Thank you. Motion fails. 16-34 by the Public Works Committee recommending filing documents submitting a communication from the Boys and Girls Club requesting permission to host the Gus Macker 3-on-3 basketball tournament at Deeland Park and approving the request. Alderperson Kittleson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. We've had a lot of discussion on this whole topic and we've had a lot of people speak here this evening and speak very passionately about it. That being said, I need to make the motion. This is what I would like to do. I would like to file the report of committee that we came up with in Public Works and ask that we grant the request as originally submitted under RO290-09-10. Council document 15-57. Second. We have a motion and a second to file this document. To file our report of our committee. Refile the RC. To file the RC and ask that we grant the request as originally submitted on Council document 15-57. And can you expound upon that document, please? I can't. The specific areas that are being requested are the use of the Deeland Park green space, all of the Deeland Park parking lot, the southwestern half of the Marina parking, the north end of Fisherman's parking lot, approximately 28 to 30 stalls. And as they have done in the past, they will lay out the tournament grounds to minimize the total number of parking stalls being used. And as in the past, the access to the boat launch and the fish cleaning station will always remain open. We have a motion and a second under discussion. President Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. If I could just have some clarification from older person Kittles and what she read isn't what's on the paper. Correct. And if that would be the case, you'd be putting that in the form of a motion to change and to change the various parts you're talking about here. Otherwise we're not voting on what has gone through committee. Correct. We are voting on the original request that came in. I asked to file this document. Right. What is under discussion would be to file this document and return to the original request. We don't have the original request. It wasn't a document submitted to this council. Yes, there was. Well, it's not the document that's in front of us. Correct. And that's what we have. I don't have a problem with what you're doing. I'm just saying we have to, we don't, and Steve, maybe we're talking about semantics here, but I just want to make sure we're doing this right. We don't have a document in front of us to do that with. But we can. But we can do it. I believe the RO-290-0910. Correct. Was referred to both these committees and soon came back and lit these recommendations. So that RO is there. Yes. That's the original request. What is in front of us is not the original request. What is in front of you is the committee report public works. I'm asking to file. Hiddleston is chair of, but what she's saying is she is requesting that the council not accept the committee's report and basically go back to the original request. Correct. Do we then, if I may, do we then, I don't know what that original request was. Does that have to come in under a different document then? No. There is a, it came in under RO-290-0910. Do you understand my confusion? Yes. So we can, is that an amendment then to what we've done here? No. She's moving to file a committee report. Yes. And go back to the original request, Alderman Gisha. The original request came into us, document 1557 was referred to both committees. I just read to you what the original request was, those specific areas. I am going back to that original request. I agree that it's problematic for many of the council people that weren't either on the marina committee or on the public works committee because the original request was referred to those committees. That's my point. They, their discussion there came back with these recommendations and now you're basically suggesting scrapping those recommendations. And if I, if I may add on this, I know there was some confusion in the past upon what was approved by the council and what actually happened. So I think if anything that happens here tonight should be clean and well understood, not that we have confusion that when we get to tournament time again, that there's claims out there that things were done that were not approved. Alderman Gisha, if you'd like to continue. Thank you, your honor, and that is precisely my point. Last year there was this so-called deal between, I think the mayor and a specific older person that, that I think caught the Gus Macker people by surprise and the marina people by surprise, everybody by surprise. My point here is just to make sure that nobody's surprised anymore. And that, that would hurt the Macker and would hurt the marina committee. So I'm not trying to put a wrench in this. I'm just trying to make sure that we don't have a repeat of the great fiasco of 2008. I think rather than, rather than go back to a former document that nobody has in front of them, it may be more beneficial to, to, to amend the document in front of us if that's our intent. And if Alderman Bulk, if you could speak please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think I have a solution that may satisfy both my friends and colleagues on this. I think we take the document 1634 and place a period after the words approving the request and then delete everything after approving the request. I think that cleans things up and accomplishes what older person Kittleson is trying to accomplish. Steve, that's amending a document we all do have. Yeah, the problem is this is a committee report. This is the report of the committee and the council can't amend the committee's report. You know, I don't think any of this, but one possible scenario is to refer it back to public works and come back with a clean document. And those, you know, you open up all the discussions perhaps again, but maybe that's what you need to do if even the committee's report that's coming in has, you know, is not being supported by the committee at this point. That's one concern. So many calls and emails. I know as chair of public works, I've taken this under consideration again. I think my fellow committee members might have as well. And that is why I'm trying to keep it as clean as we can going back to the original document 1557, which states everything right there in black and white as to what the request is, what the Gus Macker people would like to have as their layout for next week. Thank you all the person. Thank you. So we are we are discussing going back to the original document here and Alderman Rindflesch. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Some clarification. If the report of the committee was to pass the original document in this case, or to make a motion if they had made a motion back in committee to amend it in any way. We still would have that document attached if the copies with us or not. We're still discussing that issue, but we're filing usually the original request and then passing the report of committee. In this case, I got it. Hang on. So that's the normal process. And that's what we're confused about is we do actually do that all on a regular basis that we refer back to the original document all the time, even though we don't necessarily have it in front of us the second time. So it's clarified is that the motion as stated is actually quite proper with something that we do frequently except we're generally filing it and then using the report of committee. In this case, we're trying to do a little different. The committee is no longer supporting its own report. So we could actually file this and go back to original and approve the original document as originally stated. Like I said, it's a little awkward because we don't usually see the document in front of us, but we do actually do it on a regular basis with most of votes that we do, especially when we're operating within a report committee. However, we can amend the report of committee because that committee itself voted to make this statement to us. And that's all we're saying is, okay, we accept your statement. We don't accept your statement. Now, I know that the timeframe we're looking at next summer, we have a lot of speakers that spoke about it today. We have a lot of phone calls today. I would bring it back to the Public Works Committee. If there are amendments that need to be made, I understand from President Geisha that there might be some discussion there. Hopefully the committee can make those recommendations back to us with that committee. And it might be a little bit cleaner, maybe clearer for the public to understand exactly what's being done by the report of the committee. So that's my recommendation. Thank you. Regardless, we need to come out of this evening with a clean document or refer it back to committee and bring in a clean document so we have an understanding. So what we are speaking of right now, we have a motion to file this document. Would you like to keep that motion on the floor? Yes, I believe. Or would you like to withdraw that motion to file and somebody could make a motion to refer this back to committee where it can be cleaned up? To file and send it back to committee to clear up so that everyone here in council will have the clean document. Who seconded that motion? Second. You were on the second. Do you withdraw? Do you withdraw that motion? If I can ask one question before I... Certainly. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So what I thought I heard Alderperson Rindfleisch say, which I always appreciate it when he speaks because he always teaches me three or four things about procedure. He's great at that. That's why I called on him. What I thought I heard him say is Alderperson Kittelsen proposed while maybe not clean and not comfortable, not what we're used to doing it, is absolutely proper to file the document and then approve 290.09.10. So Alderperson Kittelsen, not to dissuade her from doing what she was going to do, but there's no need for you to do what you were going to do. Let me go back. Let's do it that way. Rather than refer it back to committee, let's go forward with this. I'm going to go ahead with my original viling the report of our committee and ask that we approve document 1557 as originally brought into council. Okay. So the first, we would have to have two motions here, the first one being to file? No. She's already had the motion out to file the RC. You certainly can, sir. I'm just trying to have lights all over the place. It's like Christmas here. Okay. So we are back to filing and going back to the original report and Alderman Bowers, please. Thank you, Mr. Mu. I was at the public works. You could have your microphone. Yeah, I was at the public works committee meeting. And it seemed to me that Alderman Hannah and reached a congenial agreement with Mr. Leichmann. All of the members of the public works committee was there at that time. And it seems to me that they came to an amicable agreement. Now all of a sudden we're going to go back to something that no one has really looked at and we're going to vote on that. What's wrong with the 1634? That was voted and Mr. Alderman Hannah and Mr. Leichmann reached an agreement and that was to the benefit that chairperson Kittleson said was okay. So now why are we going backwards? Thank you, Alderman Bowers. Next we have Alderman Hannah. Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. The original letter from Tom Leichmann is relatively short. Can I read that? You certainly may, sir. Okay. Dear Sheboygan Alderpersons, this past August 15th, the annual Gus Macra three-on-three basketball tournament was again a huge success thanks to the amazing volunteers, beautiful weather and perfect location. This year's tournament hosted 383 teams with thousands of spectators for a weekend of good basketball, great food, lots of fun, which benefited the Boys and Girls Club of Sheboygan County as well as the entire community. To keep one of Sheboygan's largest non-alcoholic family events going for a 16th year, I'm requesting that the Boys and Girls Club be granted permission to host the 2010 Gus Macra three-on-three basketball tournament at Dilan Park August 5th through 8th. Specific areas being requested are the use of Dilan Park green space, all of the Dilan Park parking lot, the southwestern half of the Marina parking lot, and the north end of Fisherman's parking lot, approximately 28 to 30 stalls. As we've done in the past 14 years, we will lay out the tournament grounds to minimize the total number of parking stalls being used as in the past. Access to the lunch and fish cleaning station will always remain open. We look forward with your permission to continue to host this family event on the taxpayer-funded festival grounds at the lakefront. It is the location of our event that contributes to success of our premier fundraiser. Also, not contained in this, the tennis courts will be available to them. There will be additional areas for them to go. Tom and his people in good faith are going to try to minimize the impact on the Fisherman area. I'm quite comfortable passing Tom's original request. I've had numerous conversations with his organization. They're really trying to work with us. Thank you, Alderman Hanna. Next we have Alderperson Clioness. Thank you, Your Honor. I guess maybe my only little thing would be almost to amend this, that all this has passed back to the Gus Makker group and there isn't any kind of, if there's a discussion, everything is clear. It's published as public record as to what they use in the letter or whatever it is. Because if there was some disagreement last year because it was more of a private agreement, this should be very public and very clearly stated and their limitations and their privileges are clearly stated. That's all I would say on this. If we need that, if it's presumed, then I would ask the public works to work up a document that is somehow signed by Gus Makker officials or something like that. Thank you, Alderman Hanna. Alderman Board. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I would have made, had I been able to do it, I would have made the same motion that Alderman Balk made about striking everything on 1635 after approving the request. I would have voted for 1634 if push came to shove even with the caveats, but I was very uncomfortable with closing Broughton Drive. But I am after conferring with Alderman Decker who was down there fishing at this year's event with no problems. Also, during 2008 I received an email from about five fishermen that were somewhat unhappy, but this year's tournament I got no communication from those at all. So I'm in support of having the tournament at D-Land Park with the original document. Now, it's my understanding then with the original document, Alderperson Kittleson, that the ground rules are going to be exactly the same as they were last year. Okay. I support that the event be held down there with the same ground rules as last year. And as I said, if push would have come to shove on 1634, I would have voted for the caveats, but I'm uncomfortable with closing Broughton Drive because next year if we have a public hearing on this, then all the residents from Broughton Drive are going to be lined up here saying that they were uncomfortable with closing Broughton Drive. So I'll support the original document. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Boren. Next we have Alderperson Montemayor. Oh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think Alderman Wren Fleisch, I'm just agreeing with what he said. Oftentimes we do take action on resolutions that were published the previous meeting and referred to committees and we don't actually have the words in front of us again. Often we do that. Thank you. Looks like our board is clear with the exception of Alderperson Kittleson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I just to speak to Alderman Clayunas, we do have the document 1557. You can go, if you look back in your documents, you will see it. We are passing it exactly as it is written. And the ground rules will be exactly the same as they were last year for this event. So that's all. Thank you very much. Thank you. And now we will go to our resident expert on what was just said here, our city clerk. Thanks, Mayor. I just want to clarify for all the Alderman why you are questioning. You only have this top document. You all got it at the last meeting. This document that's behind it. We don't copy it again for all of you a second time because I'm really cheap and I'm protecting the taxpayers. I don't want to give you a second copy of what you already have. So you will run into this on occasion if there's a controversial issue or whatever. You're looking at a top document. You've already had this one before. That's what we're talking about. That's where the confusion is coming in. We don't copy it twice. We think it's a waste of effort and money of the taxpayers. So there's a problem with that. You're going to have to talk to me about it. But that's how we handle the process of doing the council documents. Okay? Just so you know. Thank you, Ms. Frugality. Thank you. Okay. Our lights are all off. The motion is. Oh, thanks a lot. Okay. Alderman Kindelson will help me. But I believe the motion is to file the RC from Public Works and to grant the request that was done on 15-57, which was RO 290-0910 that was brought in and referred on November 2nd. So an aye vote would be to do exactly that. Does everybody? Okay? Okay. Roll call, please. Decker? Aye. Gisha? Aye. Hanna? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Koth? Aye. Kindelson? Aye. Nguyen? Aye. Vu? No. Wongaman? Aye. Boran? Aye. Bauch? Aye. And Bowers? No. Thirteen ayes, three noes. Motion carries. 1635 to 1646. Lies over till November 30th. Reports of committees 7. 16-47 by Public Works recommending entering into an agreement for residential refuse and recyclable material transfer, tipping and disposal services with Violia or environmental services. All in person, Kiddelsen? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. We have a motion in second. Under discussion? Under discussion, the committee reviewed the director's report and recommends approval of entering into a contract with Violia, including the fuel index alternative. Thank you. Any further discussion? All in person, Clioness? Thank you, Your Honor. Is there any other company that bids on this? Okay, there were two bids. Okay, so that this is the best bid. Yeah, all right. Thank you. I just don't see any other documentation. Okay. The other bid was from waste management. Violia had the lower bid on it. And also at the same time, it saves us some distance from traveling to Sheboygan Falls. Thank you. We can go out to Payne Avenue and see some travel time and some labor, some fuel time. President Gisha? Thank you, Your Honor. Not wanting to miss an opportunity to further explain our budget woes. This is one of the examples. You'll see in these bids the federal and state tax on tipping fees. State of Wisconsin increased our tipping fees, I think roughly, oh, 100%. Amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars in an additional cost to the taxpayers of the city of Sheboygan. That money going directly to Madison. And I just wanted to point out that those fees are included in this. So as you hear people talking about budget issues and different factions regarding what should or should not be cut, here is one example why we are in the cut mode right here in front of us. Thank you, Madison. Dolly? No. No. Alderperson Mountain Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Recyclable material will be accepted as a single stream, paper products and blue bag material mixed. So what does that actually mean to us house owners? We put our paper and our cans in the same bag. No, that actually means that in the future we will not have to put out paper. You don't have to look at your neighbors anymore. You can put out cardboard and blue bag recyclables at the same time every week. Great. That means we won't have to store garbage longer. Right. So you don't have to wait for your neighbor to put his out to figure out what you're supposed to put out that way. Thank you. So that's what it means. Thank you, Alderperson Mountain Mayor. Next we have Alderperson Clowness. Thank you. Just a little commercial. If we complain about the cost of dumping, we can cut down on garbage. And I think that is an issue that we ought to look at and, you know, are we wasteful in terms of what we're throwing out? And in terms of how we could maybe use some of this stuff on our land or somehow reuse it for someone else or something. Garbage fees can be controlled if we are more careful with our own waste. So it's a lesson to us. And that is why Jean is our residential, is our in-house Green Alderperson. Green Jean. Yes. Green Jean. Thank you, Green Jean. Yes, Alderman Kittleson. Can you perhaps add on to your motion? I think it would be wise to have a resolution drafted out of committee because we're entering into agreement and I don't see one in the... Oh, we need to do draft. Thank you. Okay. So we're adding on to that and let the proper documents be drafted. Yes. Okay, any further discussion? There's no lights lit up here. Roll call, please. Gisha. Aye. Hannah. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Coth. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Clayunas. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rindfleisch. Surrock. Aye. Vanderwheel. Aye. He carries 16-48, lies over until the 30th. 16-49 to be referred. Ordinances introduced 10. 16-50 lies over. 16-51 to be referred. Matters laid over 11. 15-53, general ordinance number 25-09-10 by Alderperson Kittleson. General ordinance number 82-03-04, which granted Timothy Frederick and Rose Ainhart the privilege of encroaching on portions of Michigan Avenue for the purpose of maintaining stairs. Alderperson Kittleson. Thanks, Mayor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage. We have a motion and a second. Under discussion? Under discussion. The current owners of that property located at 1319 Michigan Avenue have advised the city that they no longer need to encroach upon the city right away to maintain those stairs. And they've requested that the city terminate the encroachment privilege granted by way of general ordinance 820304. Thank you. Thank you, Alderperson Kittleson. Any further discussion? None. Roll call, please. Hannah. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Koth. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Kleyunis. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rindfleisch. Aye. Bauke. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Dacker. Aye. And Giesha. Aye. 16 ayes. Motion carries. 15-58. General ordinance number 209-10 by Alderpersons. Boren, Sir, Koth, and Vu repealing and recreating the municipal code so as to create an economic development grant for certain successful applicants for a reserve Class B alcoholic beverage license. Alderman Boren. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage. Second. We have a motion in the second. Under discussion? Under discussion, Your Honor. There's a limited number of Class B alcohol beverage licenses. And to give you an example, recently we had two licenses become available and at the same time that was the time when the new Italian restaurant was the owners came before us for a liquor license. And luckily we had one. But in many communities, because the Class B liquor licenses are limited, there's a potential that we would miss out on a development of a fine restaurant if we do not pass this ordinance. And this ordinance allows a reserve license. The fee for that is $10,000. And that license is not transferable between owners if a place is sold. That's my understanding. Is that right, City Clerk? Madam City Clerk. And so if it happens that we do not have any liquor licenses available and we have a chance to, let's say for example, get an Olive Garden or some other restaurant that wants and needs an alcohol license, they can pay $10,000 for this reserve license. And this ordinance means that after they're in business for nine months, they can apply to the city to get a refund of this fee for the reserve license of all of it, $9,500, and then the city would maintain the $500. So I think this ordinance is important because of the fact that we may have some opportunities for some fine restaurants that want to come to Sheboygan that need an alcohol license, and this would facilitate it if they're willing to pay the $10,000 up front and then after they're in business for nine months, apply for a refund of all of it except for $500. If I could just give a quick example, there was a fine restaurant down in Salkville, Wisconsin that the owner went ahead and billed the establishment and it was a high-end Italian restaurant in Salkville. No alcohol licenses were available in Salkville, and I believe there wasn't even the reserve license available. It took the state legislature to pass a special exclusion for this restaurant owner down in Salkville so that he could get an alcohol license. It was passed by the state senate, the state assembly, and then signed by the governor. I don't want to have that happen in Sheboygan if somebody wants to come in and build an upscale restaurant. I want them to have the ability to at least get the reserve license and then later, because of this economic development grant, get a refund all except for $500. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Boran. Any further discussion? None. Roll call, please. Heidemann. Koth. Kittleston. Clowness. Montemayor. I don't think I have that on my roll call. Rindflage. Zurich. Vanderweel. Vu. Wangeman. Boran. Bulk. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. And Hannah. 16. Eyes. Kind of. Motion carries. Kind of. Okay. Other matters authorized by law 16-52 in our roll by the city court granting various licenses. Who wants it? Alderman. Boran. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file. Second. Yeah. I move that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file. Second. We have a motion and a second under discussion. No discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. 16-53 in our roll by the department of by the deputy finance director slash treasurer submitting the annual financial report of the city of Sheboygan for the year ended December 31st 2008 prepared by Schenck SC. President Kisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I move we accept and file the report of officer. Thank you. This is our annual audit and I'm proud and happy to say we had a report from Schenck actually had the two accountants who worked on this project at the finance committee meeting last Monday. The finance department was given high regard and high marks with no changes in how we are handling the accounting for all phases of the operation. Thank you, President Kisha. That does say something for our finance department. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. 16-54 lies over. 16-55 referred to finance. 16-56 referred to public protection and safety. 16-57 referred to public protection and safety. 16-58 referred to public protection and safety. Other matters coming in 16-59. Attorney McLean. That's an aural by the city clerk submitting a communication from Joseph Jantz, a tidy car sheboygan requesting an encroachment in the city's right away on the south side of his property to replace an existing sign. That will be referred to city planning. 16-60 is an aural by the city clerk submitting a communication from John Burke of Westbrook management LLC regarding parking issues at the St. Nicholas apartments. That will be referred to PPNS. 16-61 is a communication from Ken Wondergem regarding his concerns, regarding closing the dump and charging for garbage pickup. That will be referred to public works. 16-62 submitting a communication from Dan Binversy, clearwater inspector regarding a sump pump issue at 15-17 Camelot Boulevard. That will be referred to public works. 16-63 is a communication from Steve Bubolts of Stevie B's landscaping LLC regarding his offer of the free tree removal program in exchange that he received all the wood associated with removal. That will be referred to public works. 16-64 is a communication from John Vertasic regarding problems with the leaf pickup program in exchange for the wood removal program. That will be referred to public works. 16-65 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2010 and June 30, 2020. That will be referred to law and licensing. 16-66 is an ordinance granting Joseph Jantz his errors and assigns the privilege of encroaching upon described portions right away for city planning. 16-67 is a resolution establishing the city's residential solid waste system user fee. That will be referred to finance and public works. 16-68 is a resolution establishing the equivalent resident unit, residential unit rate for the city's stormwater management system user fee. That will be referred to finance and public works. 16-69 is an ordinance establishing article four of chapter 102 of the MISPL code relating to residential solid waste system user fees. That will be referred to finance and public works. I have a motion to adjourn. In a second. All in favor say aye. Opposed? We are adjourned. Wow.