 there we go okay they can hear us okay I'm gonna turn this down oh my god okay this is exciting this is exciting I'm so nervous well let's let's introduce our sound from what I can tell everyone here knows who we are there's no new viewers yet but who are you I'm Syria okay I'm from tick-tock my I don't know what does tick-tock man offices here you are the one trying to talk into this okay okay sorry I'm really nervous this is a very different from tick-tock life this is a lot more professional in all honesty I'm really grateful that Brendan asked me to do this with him his YouTube channel is fantastic he has a lot of reliable information and I'm really grateful to be a part of this and I think you know we have a lot to share with you guys and there's a lot of cool stuff coming out this winter a lot of cool stuff coming out in these podcasts and we're just really happy to share to bring this content to you both of us like collaborating this is gonna be a lot of fun guys we have a lot of cool stuff planned mm-hmm I'm Brendan otherwise known as what the Yeti what do you call me I know what you guys talking about when you say oh my god okay so I do see a comment I want to address we should get Kaden on the podcast I thought about it and the only reason Kaden isn't gonna be on the podcast is because he works at Wonderland mm-hmm and Kaden doesn't give me any information at all he's just a ride operator so but I still don't want to get him in trouble the difficult thing with being amusement insiders and Syria is some we have privilege sometimes to information and stuff and if we are discussing that in a stream and Kaden's in any works at Wonderland it could not be so great for him so it's just better if he's not in the streams that's the only reason we might do streams where we just talk about other parks yeah and he can be in that one yeah like any input or just like a third-party perspective or we're just discussing Brendan said other parks or you know favorite coasters or top 10s or something there's no reason why Kaden or other people can't be involved in that either yeah of course okay so the reason we are doing this one is for me to step outside my comfort zone I've made a lot of promises on this channel I'm gonna do this a lot of logs were stolen I'm full honestly a full honesty and he can vouch for this I've been going through the motions I have not been the happiest for the last year last year it's gotten pretty ugly but I'm ready I am I'm such a coward I wouldn't say he's you know you're not a coward it's it's been a very interesting transition period especially from the start of the summer to middle of the summer to like the end of the season to now like like Brendan has really grown as a content creator and just as a person as a friend just just as just yeah he's really growing and you know we've really found our way and we're really in this position now where we're in the right mindset to deliver you guys the viewers the best possible content that we think we can deliver so that's where we're at right now and that's the whole point of this podcast really is to bring you guys that content yeah so this is gonna be a professional for Siri and I because we're not well I'm definitely Brenda no no Brendan makes professional content he makes professional content on YouTube I make I make silly 15 seconds to talk video oh no they're good though um but yeah we're gonna talk about industry news this isn't just gonna be about Wonderland today's is pretty Wonderland heavy because most of you guys our home park is Wonderland on amusement insiders but we're gonna talk about dragster and El Toro Ryan's latest video that just came out it's amazing gotta go watch it we watched it a lot of cool information there that no one I think knew except for El Toro Ryan but yeah he released a lot of cool information and there's a lot of questions about that so that's something we definitely need to address yeah and he's my favorite content creator so we're gonna talk about that we're gonna talk about Winterfest we're gonna talk about the 2023 season at Wonderland and Cedar Fair in terms of their pride like their success the rides at Wonderland and we're gonna talk about the future at Wonderland and we have some pretty interesting information but yeah we're gonna talk about that and we're gonna try and answer questions we have little intermission periods in here again this is a podcast so we have to stick to the script the script so because we're gonna try uploading it to Spotify in that this is meant to be a test the episode one is a test and we were actually debating whether or not we should do it live or pre-recorded so yeah in the future we we may change like the way we bring this to you guys but I think so far this is going pretty good with it live yeah no it is like I was nervous we going live was last minute like we were gonna just sit down and record and then I was like okay our first time recording I know us it could be awkward yeah so having people chatting and holding us accountable and if we get a little bit lost to you like you guys might bring up a question that can start new talking points and it could be really good valuable input that the rest of the community may want to know mm-hmm so okay with that being said I'll go back up we have a script we have another screen on the side here that we're reading off so we're gonna cover industry news and rumors and also with input from you guys so amusement insiders on Instagram I'm gonna put up questions five days six five days before we go we're gonna do this every weekend by the way literally we're gonna hold ourselves unless something happens we should also probably say like it's time like I think 9 p.m. is work yeah just does 9 p.m. on a Friday Saturday Sunday work for everyone you put up yeah I guess we can ask but we'll do yeah and then we're gonna try to become more professional and regular that's something I struggle with this my new year's resolution I make promises to my audience that I do not keep because a depression causes you to be lazy like you get lazy and thing and I constantly make promises and the reason I make promises is to kind of bring myself out of depression but then it's a vicious cycle because then I let down you guys and then I let down myself and then I get stuck in it so we're gonna hold ourselves series gonna hold me account because I almost we I swear to God like I think I don't know he didn't say anything but I have this gut feeling like you know I don't know if we're gonna do this today because we were sitting here we did a we did a game night and you know it we're all tired and we're like oh what are we gonna do now and I'm like well shouldn't we do the podcast and then I read his stories like it's coming out next week for sure and like wait a minute well no cuz if we were gonna film it not live I have to edit it right that's true that's whereas live it makes I don't have to edit it so I was saying next weekend we were gonna film it and think but I think I was heading down I think you were yeah of chickening out cuz I don't like the way one I don't like the way I look to I don't feel comfortable putting myself out there you already know that but I'm working on it but let's let's get on track right yeah okay winter best if you guys have and please don't give money like but if you do a super chat I feel horrible for even saying this we are gonna answer the question right away that's just how YouTube works so if you have a really important question a super chat if I see that because it what it does is it gives it sends like on our if you guys could see how our screen looks right now it's we're not on YouTube we're on like a almost like an OBS studio the super chats appear in this big color box and it pretty much it forces us to answer them so I just want to say this is a totally new thing for me because I know nothing about YouTube I'm like prior to right now I was strictly ticked off so to me this is like really professional this is really cool so I'm definitely learning a lot and Brendan he kind of knows what he's doing but this is a learning curve for us so if you see something that might be kind of doesn't make sense or anything like we're off to the side trying to fiddle with something that's why it's cuz we're still learning I like that calm he's gonna say rollercoasters don't do well off the rails stay on track okay so our first topic is going to be winterfest I wanted to talk about this so bad because it's been an ongoing discussion in our friend group winter fest at Wonderland this year for anyone that attended was a flop a major flop I don't I don't care what anyone at Wonderland has to say I don't care what any enthusiasm it was a flop the attendance numbers were not there we were even kind of pretty much told that indirectly by yeah certain yeah yeah the attendance numbers weren't there and I don't think it's a failure it's not a failure anyone working at the park like anyone in a higher up position this is an attack on them this is there's multitude of reasons I think sear fair is to blame for a lot of this well I'm not sure who at the end makes a lot of the decisions in terms of investment but one of the biggest failures I think we could agree on is Wonderland has to invest in stuff every year to draw an attendance winterfest hasn't really seen the same kind of treatment where there's something new like something major new to draw in those those new crowds every year so it's been a copy and paste event and I think it's starting to show that they need to treat winterfest in a similar fashion so it's not that we're saying it's bad however for the last three seasons 2019 last year and this year it's been kind of stagnant you know there's there hasn't really been anything new they've brought back certain things like tinkers which is really nice but at the end of the day all that stuff was already pre-existing another thing is that the other sear fair parks that participate in winterfest like Kings Island carowinds Kings Dominion they all had newer things that they've never seen before added to them I think Kings Island had what a tubing hill like you know what whatever you think of it it's something new you know maybe it's gimmicky but again it's new it's catchy and I think that would be quite successful just because they can market it as something new it's something else that you could do at the event yeah a hundred percent like the other parks have what a parade some of them not all them they have parades I mean carolins too so the parades they have the tubing hill some of them there's the other thing that we had we kept discussing that they have that we don't have okay so this might be kind of going into another point that we'll discuss a little bit later but then they also have things like the rides mm-hmm which I'm gonna call this one out too because this brings me to that topic I was discussing about Wonderland success is now their biggest failure so Wonderland this season was so busy oh my god the energy drinks caused me to burp it was so busy like so busy that I think now that people are kind of turned off from going to Wonderland they view Wonderland kind of like you're gonna wait an hour and a half for food which is it sounds like an over-exaggeration but it's not in some cases it was true you'd wait an hour and a half for food you know you'd get there and you'd find they'd run out of stuff again this is not the parks this is really you know it it was a whole it's like a whole chain of events right that happened and unfortunately it did turn off a lot of people especially like you look at Winterfest target demographic and it's more families and couples well if a family of four went to Wonderland in the summer and they had an experience where they paid you know the prices to get in and then you wait an hour and a half for food you don't necessarily get what you want you maybe ride three rides in a full 12 hour day well you might not necessarily want to come back even though Winterfest is different but to that family of four who might not necessarily know too much or care to know too much about the park they just want to go there for the experience they might they won't know that right so they're gonna have that image of well you know we went there in the summer and we have to wait three hours to do this and this so we don't what's the point of going back when in reality for Winterfest that's not necessarily the case and actually wasn't yeah a hundred percent and they did have a curse of a lot of bad weather at the beginning but even when the weather got nicer there wasn't really a translation into large crowds like we saw in 2019-2021. No there wasn't and again like there were there I think maybe so a lot of the other no all the other Cedar Fair parks we were the only park during Winterfest to have our schedule the schedule that we have but from Monday to Friday basically Monday to Thursday or Saturday and Sunday the park was three to nine but on Friday was five to ten to us and we've discussed this so much this is probably the thing we discussed the most five to ten makes sense you know you get off work you get off school you can staff the park then you go to the park during night right there's nothing to see during the day like you can't really look at lights you know the shows everything is prettier at night Winterfest is an evening night event so why were they open from three to nine like we found that most people came to the park at five at five for tree lighting yeah so I think that's something that can change for next year but one of the oh what was I just gonna say it was one of it had to do with a failure it was the time frame of the event is a failure I also think let's go look okay well I'll remember let's go on to what we like so what do what did we like about Winterfest the biggest thing that I liked and don't laugh you guys aren't allowed to laugh and you like to know okay the food oh okay yes and I know I know it sounds funny coming from us but the you know whatever the summers the summer passes the past whatever our opinions were on the food it pretty much did a full 180 like Wonderland must have really like not must have they put such an effort into the Winterfest seasonal menu it was incredible you know the menu items at Lazy Bear all the other festive foods you know the service was a lot more was a lot faster like they really did a great job putting everything together and they did such an improvement compared to the summer season it was incredible so that was something that I was pretty much blown away from like we went to having some of the in my opinion the worst food in the Cedar Fair chain in the worst service in the Cedar Fair chain to probably having some of the best quality food and best service in the Cedar Fair chain within a span of three weeks to me that just blew my mind 100% I figured out what I was gonna talk about so one of the biggest failures and this is a huge failure on Wonderland's part we know how many season pass holders got gold passes in 2023 I think we accidentally learned that we weren't supposed to know but we know that currently before Winterfest even ended that there were 500,000 2023 gold passes just gold passes just gold passes for Canada's Wonderland alone you have people with 2023 gold passes that should be getting them into Winterfest that in 2022 for free and that it wasn't translating so to me that that's something wasn't working to get people in so again part of the failures is there needs to be more indoor things because Lazy Bear Lodge was always packed to the brim like it could be a slow day and it looked busy sometimes at Lazy Bear Lodge all the heating zones were packed the market was pretty packed Tinkers was packed there were turning people away so if Wonderland really wants to become a winter attraction they need more indoor attractions which we'll just we'll discuss that in the the future additions because I have a lot to say there that is a good comment their radio ad was crap I think Wonderland kind of dropped the ball to on Winterfest marketing Yukon Stryker that would be like that's obviously one of our goals we talked about that already having like guests on so like obviously we would love to have and we can organize that we can have like I can insert things in my basement on the street can you imagine that's exactly what she wants to do like this is how you live obviously that's our goal that'd be really cool right now obviously because Suri and I have made the decision to be a lot more vocal on Wonderland and leak things as we feel to a certain extent I'm obviously gonna respect some rules that Wonderland set for me we're not quite sure Wonderland would be on here our goal is to obviously so our goal just to be transparent I know that they might watch this our goal is to honestly sit down with grace and some people at Wonderland and kind of you know we're willing to work in some boundaries and be you know safe still but we we either need them to provide us with like behind-the-scenes stuff like some content otherwise we are being held to a standard to keep our channel dead so we're not being allowed to post things but we're also not being given behind-the-scenes access or cool videos then that's really just keeping our channel dead so we're obviously all like there's certain things we will never post regardless like there's information we know that obviously we'll just keep our mouth shut on and we're gonna respect that but we're gonna start posting a lot more you know focusing on ourselves and and you guys like you're sorry like we want to we want to be more transparent and honest and actually do journalism like report yes not not just report you know only the good like to make an informed decision and whether or not you want to go there you should have all the facts exactly yeah cuz just a little more transparent I got in trouble for my restaurant video my feedback on the restaurant industry at Wonderland and I don't respect that decision I don't feel like I was respected or treated fairly in the the reaction I got to my restaurant video and it kind of upset me and I'm now in a position where I'm like okay well I don't get any cool stuff for my viewers and my channel is a really healthy size and I'm not allowed to post X Y and Z but I'm also not given X Y and Z to compensate for not posting X Y and Z so there's no benefit to me so at this point I would like Wonderland and I and Siri and I to sit down and kind of go over like our feelings and their feelings to and come up with a plan yeah that's my goal and I plan on reaching out in spring but it'd be awesome if they even reached out I feel like there's kind of like a little awkward gray zone between us now and well that was that was my that was my you know why we posted the fender on video I had a plan for it but yeah and this is our this is my sign to you guys that I'm being transparent like you know that's a really risky thing for us to be saying like but again we're at the point where if we have nothing to benefit from you know kissing Wonderland's butt then why do why should we kiss Wonderland's butt not even that it's almost like now obviously we're not but it's almost like when we go to the park and you know we're almost say a mystery anyways we'll talk on Marine Land probably next weekend I can talk about Marine Land by the way I'm not I'm not not allowed to talk about Marine Land are you entitled to have content from them are you well I think I think at this point you definitely are because you have the platform and you were getting content in previous years there were there were previous agreements and stuff and I feel like because of my restaurant video that might have yeah and you know you were getting honored those agreements before right like you got some you con behind the scene stuff you got other media events stuff like other privileged information so something definitely happened and I'm sure it was the restaurant video yeah but whoa was because the email but that being said I don't feel entitled but with what we know on Wonderland and we are told to not talk about I do feel like there is an entitlement that we should receive benefits for shoot like you know I mean like even I had so just to say I had drone footage of the fire on the water slide after the fireworks I have like cool drone footage and the park had said you know we would like you not to post you can post it but we'd like you not to post it so I didn't post it and that was my sign of respect so like when I do stuff like that I kind of just would like well something like you know it's almost like you know well we did you a favor maybe if you could just give us this or something like that right like we could see a tour or something yeah okay so did we talk about what we like about Winterfest no we didn't oh my god we decided we derailed derailed no we started to I mentioned the food oh yeah so okay that was my like what was your like tinker so I think tinker's really stands out in terms of entertainment especially at cedar I think it's cedar first best show I think it's the best seasonal show so can I give you permission to not pass okay I'm reading comments I said we do that intermission so I like tinker's I like the shows I like Heather she's in charge of operations she does a phenomenal job that that woman deserves so much recognition for her involvement at wonderland in her decision-making she is amazing that park will literally fall apart without her like it will like if she ever retires or quits or thing that park is not gonna be the same I'm just gonna warn y'all but yeah what would we like to see what would you like to see sir yeah so personally from my personal standpoint I would like to see maybe a couple more attractions added to the ride roster Winterfest now I understand why some attractions can't be opened but I think of you know they make a few simple modifications some attractions may be able to be opened maybe like I don't know maybe like lumberjack you know if they can install some kind of non-slip coating similar to what they did on Cyclone something like that I would love to see what Kings Island got in terms of the the snow tube I think that's really cool I would firstly do that I love that kind of stuff um maybe another thing is I have no problems with the shows again I think Wonderland Winterfest shows are some of the best shows maybe even in the whole industry but certain shows have been pretty much the same ever since Winterfest started so it would be nice to see a different program and again not saying anything bad at all because they are amazing shows they are talented people it's nothing like that but it has been the same thing for the past three years and I do think it's getting a little stagnant so to see different musical numbers different types of shows stuff like that I think that would be really beneficial yeah I think that Wonderland's Winterfest has become a little too traditional and outdated for example what's the show called that's right near Thunder 1 with the three girls the Carol missile tones like I love the singers I like especially one of them you know I was so talented but that is so outdated and no one watches it no one watches it that needs to go and they need to be I think that they should be a little more modern yeah like and maybe a little less religious like I found it a little religious if you if you pay attention here and there's a lot of God bless yous and thing and which is fine to each their own but Wonderland is in a very diverse market yeah like a very diverse market so what my idea I think that Wonderland should have like a Christmas themed area a Diwali themed area like Hanukkah Hanukkah themed area like actual areas of the park that are themed to the diverse holidays around the season I think that would do a phenomenal even though I just said less religion that's thing but that's a different route they could go down or it should just be Winterfest like Winterfest still have the Christmas music but I would like to see more diverse shows like you said get rid of some of those classic like there's even carolers and planet Snoopy that are terrible like not them but just like no in the kids area you should have more of like the you have that kids fest that they do so well yeah do another version of that in Winterfest like there's so many different things they could do and Winterfest just feels a little too traditional now a little boring almost like I think that also goes back though it's been the same thing almost for three years yeah which you know what it is still a fairly new event for Wonderland and Cedar Fair so I can understand you know there was COVID so there was a year where nothing happened so maybe they're still trying to figure out the direction they want to take in they're trying to figure out what their demographic is and stuff like that yeah I feel like almost Wonderland should have played a little more into comedy like yeah tinkers is does really well because it's one both comedic and two it's fresh and it's like an actual it's like an original yeah so what okay so we're gonna series gonna talk about something really cool for you guys I'm actually really say he did a lot of research because one he's an engineer and he knows where to look for certain things so he has an answer for you but I'm gonna talk about a little rumor about what could be coming to Winterfest next year there are still some contracts that potentially need to be signed for this but Whitewater Canyon yeah this is if this happens if this it's not nothing's confirmed yet and I could I should probably shouldn't be talking about this but Wonderland could potentially be looking at signing a contract to have the company that does the ice rink at the front do an ice skating trail in Whitewater Canyon that would be expensive though it's like four million dollars estimated but that would also be unique something the other parks don't have yeah and something and ice trails draw people in like what you know Blue Mountain and all that and then imagine all the trees in Whitewater Canyon lit up oh it would be perfect which comes down to yeah four million dollars is the price tag we heard that Wonderland was being quoted on for that so that is an expensive addition that's like a flat ride in itself yeah but again they need to treat Winterfest as if they need to add that thing and Winterfest draws in the numbers like 2019 it was paying for a ride itself so they they have the ability ice skating was one of the most popular things this season like yeah ice was always packed it was always booked out so it would make sense to open up more skating options yeah and you guys are hearing this first I haven't made my video on this I was gonna make a video on this but I've been too lazy again I'm gonna start making videos because I have tea yes he is I have tea I have tea to share and I'm going to start sharing it tubing is also rumored to be coming to Canada's Wonderland in 2023's Winterfest fingers crossed so hopefully that happens I do think it's gonna be one of those stupid little tubing man-made things but we'll see we'll see it's different it's something new why didn't they have a new year's party I'm gonna answer this because it's a good question it's staffing simply staffing they tried so what Wonderland does is we know a lot when I went and the more I sit down I'm like we actually know everything not to sound cocky but I'm like the fact that we know this so Wonderland what they do is they do like a presign up for events like Winterfest and all that and people submit their availability when it came to New Year's Eve no one was available to work obviously no one wanted to and for stuff like that you have it is volunteer-based you can't force someone to come in on New Year's Eve night until 12 a.m. to work if they really do have plans a lot that's why a lot of stores close at 5 6 p.m. on New Year's Eve so there's no wonder one will never be open New Year's Eve and unless they have a J1 visa program right yeah they will never be able to open on New Year's Eve unless they have offer like an insane amount of money like double time and a half or something I personally can't see Wonderland going that route yeah I wonder what Syria's gonna take over for however long this is gonna be a good one this is good you guys are gonna like this why can't certain rides run during Winterfest so the biggest thing we anyone probably ask and we always see is how come you know Leviathan behemoth Yukon isn't open how come no roller coasters are open how come you know win seeker isn't open why aren't these rides open so there are several reasons for that one obviously things don't always run properly in the cold so you have to retrofit a lot of things the park might not want to do that but the biggest thing is and this is gonna be a little bit complicated but after doing some digging there are certain legislations in the province of Ontario and within our national building code that don't allow certain amusement attractions to run under certain temperatures for certain reasons now there's nothing that specifically says this roller coaster cannot run but under Oreg 221-01 if you look that up it's about a 40 page document that's the provincial legislation behind amusement devices it's an entire entire legislative document law legally binding document that specifically says there are sections under the maintenance section I think that's like subsection 3 or subsection 4 you can look this up that state any amusement device operated in the province of Ontario has to be operated under safe operating parameters and operated under parameters devised by the rides manufacturer what does that mean so a lot of ride manufacturers specifically set their own operating parameters for example B&M the temperature has to be above 5 degrees Celsius when the ride first starts running now obviously with certain things you can change that but you need permission from the manufacturer and this is according to Oreg 221-1 that if you want to open a certain attraction the manufacturer has to sign off on it and not only does the manufacturer have to sign off the TSA which is another legislative body then has to come in and do their own third-party independent investigation to make sure that everything is safe and under the TSA act of 2001 amusement device operating act that's something else you can look up it's actually very interesting document there are certain things that warn about ice buildup that warn about you know there's nothing specifically against frostbite or anything but that is also a problem right like if it's negative 10 it's gonna be cold but the biggest problem is the ice right they don't want any ice chunks flying off hitting vulnerable components like wheel carriers cables chains anything like that so in order for them to run a ride under any condition actually even in rain a manufacturer has to sign off if it's raining they need manufacturer approval why do they need manufacturer approval because the manufacturers who build it they're licensed engineers they're licensed mechanical structural civil they have their own legal department so they know the parameters their rides can run in and you need that license you need that official title to sign off on their design so they can say you know what Leviathan is not supposed to regularly run under five degrees Celsius but we gave you wheel heaters you have weighted trains so now you can run maybe a negative one let's say but the train needs to start running at negative one so let's say it's negative one they get it going then the temperature drops like negative five six it can still run but if it's negative six B&M will say no it is not safe that train will not make it there's a risk of ice buildup you cannot run that ride now normally depending where you are because other places in the States they can get around that because they don't have legislation they legally don't need to listen to the manufacturer but in Ontario according to Oreg 221-1 you legally are obligated and binded to listen to whatever the manufacturer states because even though you own the ride they still set the operating parameters to said ride so I know that was a big mouthful but no it was good it is it is a very important aspect in safety and it is one of the reasons why Wonderland has an almost perfect safety record when it comes to rides you always see these stories you know and it's really unfortunate in the amusement industry but in the states of things malfunctioning or sensors being tampered with because they don't have the same regulations we do so yeah may look really cool that you know Six Flags gets to run night show or they can run fury or whatever they want but and I'm not saying it's unsafe but in Ontario in Canada we have a extra degree of safety that a lot of places don't have and that extra degree of safety is the reason why Wonderland and other you know amusement attractions it's not only for amusement parks it's like ziplining bungee jumping everything like that but that's the reason why we have such a high safety record and I would personally take that safety record overriding a roller coaster you know for two extra months of the year that's that's a lot coming from him so there's a couple of things I wanted to talk about that people asked in here I know I said it was gonna answer any of these until question period but you guys are asking really good stuff so someone said and I wanted your opinion on this riding a coaster and minus one is dangerous due to frostbite this is something I've thought about too is it actually what it could cause frostbite could it not some of those days we've personally rode a negative one before if you remember I believe it was 2019 during Halloween hot there was an ice storm and the park was closed in the morning and afternoon but opened up for haunt while the temperature went about negative two and three and we were fine I know Six Flags great adventure they run their hyper coaster nitro and like negative five negative six again that's because they don't have that legislation so they can do what literally whatever they want I don't know anyone who's gotten frostbite now I know if it's like negative 10 or negative 15 like yeah that like you can get frostbite if you stand outside right and just a sweater so there is that safety factor however a negative one you know if you're properly if you're appropriately dressed I would say you're probably gonna be okay all right and Natalie says there are other things like respite and she's a nurse if you remember respiratory and asthma triggers as well actually that's true because even after having you know whatever we're not gonna discuss that but the cold air affects your lungs so again because I don't medically know too much so I really I'm glad for your input as a registered nurse that's very valuable input but I know there are certain warnings and stuff the park is obligated to provide like you know you can't ride you know Leviathan or a certain ride if you have you know this this and this and this parameters legally I don't think that abstains them but they are publicly saying hey you know what if you do have asthmatic problems if you have breathing problems if you have heart problems you shouldn't be riding this attraction I'm just laughing at what someone said in there look the track you would do that I would do their hills walking up to the right it's Syria isn't it but yeah if you guys want to look this up it's o.reg.221-01 and that's amusement devices for the province of Ontario it's about a 40 page document it is provincial legislation and you know it even goes into how to maintain a chain you know what type of inspections to do what type of measurements did you know the park has to do measurements every six months on each lift chain to make sure that parts are wearing out uniformly so there's no cracks or anything now B&M designs our roller coaster manufacturers design safety mechanisms that do that but this standard means that they have to double check that and that's part of the really strict but incredibly safety standards that we have and that's again one of the reasons why you know nothing nothing tragic has happened right so it is all about a factor of safety are the reason our safety record in amusement park industry is so clean but most accidents that happen in America so a lot of accidents that actually happen in the amusement industry are not because of the ride they're because of neglect or they're because of someone tampering with something now I don't want to go into it too much because you know unfortunately it is a tragedy and it does put a black mark on the industry but for example what happened in Orlando with the free fall it's a big tragedy it should never have happened but it happened because somebody tampered with a safety mechanism which in Canada is a federal crime these documents state that is a federal crime you're liable for for whatever happens right but the reason that safety mechanism is there is to prevent something from happening so if you tamper with a safety mechanism that's not the ride that's the way the operations are for that specific location but these regulations help ensure nothing like that can happen here mr. sandwich actually posted something you'd like so he's saying that actually frostbite wouldn't be a major concern at all on rides with them I I I agree I don't know too much about frostbite but I know personally we've all ridden and really cold and yeah and for the most part okay you know what ah we should have talked about vortex we'll add vortex to next weekend okay because that'll be good we need something good every week so we'll talk about vortex and what we know now next week because they do have an update on that dragster okay topic three dragster okay so El Tor Ryan's latest video discussed the Q lines and Perla the technology and it being 2024 so do you have any comments about the video we watched today it's a great video by the way first of all I don't I don't really watch roller coaster videos or youtubers or anything by El Tor Ryan El Tor Ryan really puts a lot of effort not saying other people don't that's not what I'm saying at all but when when he creates a video he definitely creates a video with all the facts that he knows and he believes to be true and I think most the time they are true right yeah he's good he's a reputable source so the biggest thing that I took away from his video that I found interesting was the launch technology and what Zamperla claims they can do and on El Tor Ryan in the video did do the math to do the numbers I didn't really pay attention but I trust him he seems to know what he's talking about and if it is true or Zamperla can actually launch a train to 200 kilometers per hour within that 550 plus or minus 20 feet section of track I don't see yeah I think it's completely possible or that's probably happening that Zamperla is gonna do that my biggest thing though is to see the train design if Zamperla does that I want to see how they're gonna design the trains I'm kind of excited for the trains I hope it's epic like I hope Cedar Fair was like okay a major attraction at Cedar Point that draws in a lot of people has failed and now to draw in more people we need to relaunch it with like the most epic iconic look design like I hope they go all out like all out like I hope the trains are like you know Velosa Coasters trains I hope it's something like I hope dragster theme is gone too like I know that name is gone though because they scrub that name right like all the dragster merch and everything it's gone yeah okay I hope it's a whole new thing like I hope it's almost themed around like thunder you know Thunderbird I hope it's something to do with like lightning or electricity something cool yeah and you can have like a sick lighting package on the trip oh but yeah I think you know dragster he also mentioned 2024 I personally like believed I think we always believed it was 2024 because one they already announced 2023 and it seems like dragster is gonna be a big project like if I had to guess I'd say over 20 million dollars with the rebuilding re-theming you know getting the new trains getting the new technology and like that's gonna be expensive so they're definitely gonna market that as a brand new attraction and they've kind of already hinted at it right dragster reimagined like dragster is dead that that ride doesn't exist anymore the name is gone so they're bringing something else in so sad I am heartbroken on a personal note I don't think in a lesson will ever be as good as someone actually just kind of just said that so I do wish they would have just kept the coast of the same and just covered the queue because LSMs aren't nearly as punchy as hydraulics it won't be nearly as intense so that is exactly my thought with today's technology in 2023 unfortunately LSM cannot get cannot simulate that same amount of force as a hydraulic cable can because it doesn't have that same amount of power output like you're still gonna go 200 kilometers an hour but it's it's gonna be more smooth it's gonna be a smoother it's not gonna be like bam you're throwing back it's gonna be like like more gradual but consistent so what would you like to see on the Zamperla or what do you call it dragster so I'm thinking I'm honestly thinking Red Force but 80 feet taller obviously I'm sad the cable is going because that was my favorite launch cable hydraulic but if Zamperla can actually do this I think that's gonna open up a whole new chapter in the amusement industry because like you have a company that literally went from making time warp to launching a train to 200 kilometers an hour in four seconds just think about that think about that technological jump like I think this is this could open so many more doors and opportunities to different designs working with different parks being more in demand so I think that aspect is exciting if Zamperla can properly pull this off I do want to say one last thing that I am fearful for is King Decaux if that ends up working for dragster I give it three years before King Decaux gets the same retrofit which will make me cry yeah I just want to see lighting package like lighting package trains ever like lighting package you it's your most out-there attraction well you Brendan actually pointed this out a lot when we were at Sear point that the markers and everything they were everywhere and that can't just be for one ride right so I yeah well you actually brought up the idea of maybe a whole new themed area or a theme section to that part of the park it seems like cedar fairs and that we're trying to become like a destination there now the wild mouse has me a little confused about that I don't care what cedar pointer and cedar fairs say about that wild mouse that is this dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life oh my goodness you build it right next to your beautiful restaurant you could have gone with a like what do you call that this same color tone you wouldn't even need a roller coaster there you could have just kept it open maybe some green space or something yeah I mean like they need they need more rides I get they consider point needs something they needed something fill but you could have even just color tone wise made it blended I hate the Ferris wheel color there too I hate delirium's color scheme there too I hate the colors like it's so tacky and I think that's why I hate cedar point like I hate I would go love cedar point but I hate cedar point I feel just like they're like shoving it all yes it's just in your face I hate the games up in that all I hate everything like I mean I'm sure cedar point though is probably going through a while they are going through a transition period look at the restaurants that just got right mm-hmm guys we'll talk about marine land I keep seeing marine land we'll talk about marine land on next week's episode because again we have more I do have something to talk about the lawsuits are all settled so we can start talking about the buyers that's what that's what the buyers were waiting on so yeah a sound package would be cool I think cedar points at that point now where they could have a longer ride like velocity coaster they could invest like I think cedar point could start investing in $50 million coaster is like a little extra so then what do you think do you think drags or whatever it's gonna be is just gonna do the same up and down and break run or do you think there could be like some more extra track like few thousand feet of track added to that no let's give it the same ride there's no need I think what's gonna happen is direct like you said like I don't think it could cost 20 million they didn't remove much you think a whole launch system could cost 20 million you would know better than me I'm not like just I'm crediting you like I kind of just pulled out 20 million I think I think they could bring racket up to 20 million with the technology like it is expensive to launch it that technology is very expensive but it's more what they do to the surrounding area right like like they could maybe the launch only cost five million and they put like an extra million into the station in the queue and everything so six million but if you're they're gonna go to that extent of redoing everything I would think and this is more siding to you I never say this but I think I think they're gonna blow it out of the water really yeah I think they're gonna really blow it out of the water and look at the markers right look how far they extend like what is all that for well they're not gonna extend it though those markers aren't for the part of like for dragster but that whole area yes yeah they're gonna redo that give shop obviously I think they're gonna redo the photo booth they're probably gonna redo that area by Dragon Mountain or what's their iron dragon yeah and on the other side then you have that river right where they have the river adventure I beg you they're gonna spruce that area up on the other side of the launch track if they do get new trains it will be expensive yeah the train no the trains can be upwards of like one to two million dollars each yeah like their experience we learn that at an ace event didn't we yeah like trains for BNMs are like one to three million aren't they they said yeah they said behemoth trains were one point one million each it's crazy so that's crazy like so it will be expensive and another thing Altoa Ryan brought up was the loading right like he even brought up something that maybe it's gonna be like Kingdom car where tool do dual loading platforms and if it's like that you could have you know five six maybe even seven trains on that track just constantly loading and going and the beauty with an LSM is you don't need to wait for that recharge time right because the recharge time and a hydraulic launches you need those accumulators to fill back up with the pressurized nitrogen you needed to get to a certain pressure you need the cable to return and all that could take you know two maybe even three minutes depending on the temperature so there would be that little bit of latency but with an LSM a train goes and you just keep sending it as long as you can keep providing it with electricity E-stop, no I'm kidding let's scroll down will it draw a crowd I personally we disagree here we disagree this is gonna be good I don't think it's gonna do much for the attendants I really don't people who have already rode topical dragster I don't think it's gonna draw on anyone new you disagree you you would go there to ride it I wouldn't I personally think it's going to you know especially if it is an LSM it will be the fastest LSM on the planet so they could market it like that I think a lot of people are gonna want to experience that at least within the coaster community and most people who go to see your point are pretty fond of coasters at this point I would say so yeah I yeah I guess oh this this is a good one this is a lot of you guys have been asking these questions if I don't answer one of your questions either it's because it's coming up so we're trying to stay on topic too because if we upload this to Spotify and stuff we don't want to be there to be too many interruptions in between because then people are gonna be like wait what are they answering but okay so 2023 season at Wonderland and Cedar Fair so Cedar Fair success why is Cedar Fair so I've heard both I've heard some people being like oh Cedar Fair is gonna have its worst season yet again Siri and I have information now that would discredit that at least with Wonderland Wonderland is probably gonna have its busiest season they've ever had in 2023 so guys get your all season fast lane yes it's going to be insane 500,000 what three weeks ago 500,000 gold passes three weeks ago three four weeks ago already 500,000 gold passes for Wonderland that's just gold passes like a lot of people still buy the regular I don't know why but they still do and you know like that's like guys it just turned 2023 and they're already at half a million gold passes like there's probably another hundred 200,000 people who are still on the fence about it right so you know I know a lot of people were always asking and wait time update time I don't there was a point in Wonderland where you could go on a certain day and just know it's not gonna be busy you could ride Leviathan 30 times without waiting in anything you knew it wasn't gonna be busy I think those days are gone I think like school days now or they're obviously not gonna be as busy as a Saturday and in July but on a school day and like May or June I still think you can wait expect to wait 30 to 40 minutes for Leviathan behemoth or Yukon whereas five years ago you could stay on the ride so you know I think the days where the truly dead day is gone unless there is something with the weather or special event happening in the city but yeah it really looks like Wonderland is becoming a very very busy place and overall that is good for the park that's good for Cedar Fair but I think some people are also starting to realize that and they're like hey you know maybe I don't want to wait three hours for a 30 second 40 second ride again you know that's not necessarily Wonderlands fault but they provide such an affordable option right like how much is a gold pass $99 usually but it's like up to like 110 I think it's a hundred and four it's like it's between $100 and $120 and that gets you the entire season you know regular summer season hot winterfest for under $150 you get admission like where else can you go and experience the level of entertainment at Wonderland for that price nowhere like there's virtually nowhere else in the GTA yeah so you know they they are offering an affordable deal I find and I know still some people may struggle with that price and that's fine but Wonderland is very accommodating they have payment plans you know I'm personally I'm doing a payment plan myself for my pass well it's like our passes are fully loaded yeah it's crazy so it like the payment plan makes things very affordable and I don't think everyone realizes that right away but there are a lot of options when it comes to that and Wonderland really makes it accessible for everyone because that's what they're targeting right they want yeah yeah and I'm gonna tell you right now I see a comment it's going to translate to a lot of money I already I can say before the 500,000 passes unless Cedar Fair knew that was gonna happen Wonderland has a really good five-year plan like there are a lot of money that's gonna be shoveled into Wonderland so he didn't believe me what two years ago I used to say just wait and see Wonderland's gonna get the most amount of money in for their investments what last year and you were like no there's no way blah blah blah and now you see it you see it like Wonderland really is going to be heavily invested in it's really cheap for Cedar Fair to invest into Wonderland right now in terms of investments it's also a park that has infrastructure that is not designed to handle the crowds so no matter what Cedar Fair has to invest in it we see that with any restaurant you're gonna continue to see food investments because I'm telling you right now as someone who hated the food department about eight months ago I can probably sit here and say I've been pretty impressed lately and I hope that translates into next season because but there's a lot of money outside of that the attractions that Wonderland are gonna get over the next five years are gonna be insane and you're gonna see I don't know we I think you and I could probably agree I think we have different wants but what we know is coming next for a big coaster whether it's gonna either be a mock double launch or a wing coaster the version of the wing coaster we can debate but it's gonna be mock or B&M yes it's gonna be big it's gonna be another $30 million coaster no matter what it's gonna be another 30 to 35 million dollar coaster it's gonna be heavily themed and the flat rides that are coming are gonna be insane too they're gonna be good like so it's it's good I'm really excited for Wonderland's future and there is definitely a front gate Renault coming like without a doubt we have told it's not happening like at the beginning this season we were told it's scheduled but it wasn't anytime soon right it was sometime in five years yeah I think that's slowly gonna like get bumped up because I mean you can see it like this summer guys with the lines and you know a lot of the videos like on tiktok and just anywhere on fate wherever you look the front gate was was a disaster and that's not because of the employees fault they're working as fast as they can but I think it's just not designed for that volume of people yeah and if this is gonna be a new thing where you know the park is gonna expect to see 30 40 50,000 people on the daily like Brendan said they're gonna need to start updating that infrastructure to accommodate that one of those things is how do we get people into the park caption is here so we talked about okay so why is Cedar Fair and Wonderland having such success with these numbers because five I don't I don't think you guys understand 500,000 gold passes and the same like even if that ended which it's not they're gonna get up to probably 600,000 if that like just gold passes guys just gold passes there's you know day tickets there's the regular passes platinum passes probably isn't too many and there's like bring a friend like yeah it's crazy it really is impressive so how is Cedar Fair able to do that it's simple pricing point Cedar Fair and in fact their stockholders are actually getting a little pissed at Cedar Fair over this it's the cheapest pass in the industry right now it's the cheapest pass it's the they have the cheapest price points which is insane in my opinion because six flags being more expensive than Cedar Fair with this the crap product that they have to offer is insane but it's working it's working like you saw it how we in haunt and the summer season at Wonderland was absolutely insane this season and people have less money now than they did before what's going on in the world right now they have less money and especially next year they have less money so families aren't able to go to Disney World or Universal like they used to they're not able to go to Vancouver British Columbia Alberta so Wonderland is now becoming a state that local staycation for family that okay well we can't go to Blue Mountain this weekend anymore because it to go to Blue Mountain for a family is insanely pricey Wonderland's pretty pricey too if you don't get the food plans and all that but if you're a smart family that lives close to Wonderland within a three-hour radius you get that fully loaded pass and it becomes the cheapest thing your family can do all summer and I think families are clueing into that another thing I think that's happening too is like in the summer you know parents obviously have to work and if they have kids who are like 12 13 14 well how do I keep my kid occupied well I'll just buy them a cool past Wonderland they can go to Wonderland three four times a week they're somewhere you know safe they just hang out there and then they can come home whenever yeah like free babysitting yeah and then like what else is so successful is like the additions that Cedarfarer building I don't care what anyone says Tundra twister was the smartest thing Wonderland could have put in because I don't know if you like my tiktok alone if I post Tundra twister it goes viral and the reason it goes viral is Tundra twister is like that 40 free spin where people look at it and they're like that looks weird but cool but also scary so the average person like people are sharing it they're like so and that's an animation a really crummy animation too like animation isn't really like imagine when it's finally built 150 feet in the air that's spinning people are gonna tiktok you know out of that and it like it's gonna do well they put it in the right spot too in between Yukon like that's gonna be such a cool near miss photo video just just staring at it like oh my god look you're going 150 feet in the air when you're 10 feet next to that loop that's also 120 feet in the air yeah and you know what I thank you Natalie I'm gonna touch on this just this isn't part of the but Wonderland deserves a lot more credit I guess I should say Cedarfarer but they deserve a lot more credit for what they did for their pass holders during COVID because we really I know they screwed us over at the end there like but like they didn't have to do what they did for us like we got what a year and a half of free passes oh yeah that's insane and actually funny side note if you're an American who bought a platinum pass at Wonderland because the US parks didn't close for a year you actually got almost three seasons free yeah yeah yeah yeah so that was that was like that was cool Wonderland and Cedarfarer deserve a lot more credit for what they did for us because that was pretty cool and I think like you know I think guests need to to understand that too because a lot of people got angry for cutting us off out of the blue there should have been a thing they should have cut us off sooner in my opinion but there should have been that thing in between but yeah someone asked a question here and I wanted to oh will tundra twister have fast lane yes it will I don't even need that confirmation to the park it will have it there's no way it won't watch it not have it now I think it could actually be a fast lane plus addition yeah yeah yeah I could see that yeah I'd be smart on their part yeah 100% so the additions of snooping racing railway yes I think it's great I know a lot of people are going there's not what we needed you know why so okay I'm I wanted a real no no I do but but but here's the thing it is not marketed it is not designed it is not anything it is not supposed to be you know a 200 foot B&M or 200 foot mokker or whatever it's not supposed to be that it's supposed to be a junior coaster a kids ride in the kids park and if you ask me that's probably the coolest kids ride ever built like it's gonna launch you at 50 kilometers an hour you know it's gonna do the loops it's gonna have two launches like that's friggin awesome and I still personally think the adult park draws in more no disagreements but for anyone with kids or anyone who's ever walked through the kids park in the summer or just during any time mostly in the summer it is packed in there it is a zoo like you see all the strollers you see all the people in line for the rides so I think this is gonna be a very popular addition and a much needed addition like you know I I know it's mostly teenagers but a fair bit of families also go and this could be something more exciting for even the parents right like if you're a parent you really want to sit on taxing and this might offer a more level of excitement for for the whole family mm-hmm so I think that's a really good place to go yeah and people are worried about capacity as I see in the comments and that's a rightfully because we're hearing rumblings that we may not be allowed on the coaster that wonderland to limit the amount of people that get in that queue line it's gonna be like everything else in planet stoopi where you need a a kid to accommodate you to ride which at the end of the day guys I know for like the coaster enthusiasts actually can't get our credit but just remember it is a kids ride at the end of the day designed for the younger ones because they can't go do that we can do that so just remember that it's not designed for us it's not meant for adults it's not meant for the enthusiasts that's one of the reasons wonderland is so successful because they're accommodating to everyone right and this is just one of those ways they accommodate to everybody how long is the ride cycle in tundra we don't know that we don't get like that kind of information but I'm gonna guess it's gonna do one cycle one way one cycle the other way and then it's gonna do half a cycle like shockwave does I hate that half a cycle it does yeah and then it's gonna come back down what it should do is one two three one two three and then maybe another one two three but it's not that's like which lumberjack actually does one two three one two three yeah lumberjack has a bus yeah so fingers crossed and knowing wonderland they might do that I do want to address the I think wonderland does that especially in the summer season to make things speed up to make lines go faster so that it's give-and-take right I would personally don't mind waiting longer for a longer ride experience but I feel a lot of people get antsy if they see oh that's a 45 minute line that's not moving you know this is terrible this attraction is terrible this park is terrible yeah unfortunately like it's a psychological thing which I don't agree with but I think a lot of people I do know information on the new coaster so the coaster trains on the new coaster will have one extra row of seating if I'm not mistaken one or two I can't remember what it's gonna be what's already out there it's gonna be one or two yeah okay it's gonna be one or two rows longer for better capacity but it's not gonna go around twice so wonderlands will only go around once two four six so how many people let's see it again the 18 yeah and I think wonderlands isn't gonna do the backward launch either I'm trying to remember what someone at wonderland told me but from what I understand it's just gonna launch do a cycle and stop which if you look at the actual the POV of the one that's already built it's not even really a launch it's just to make it go back so there's more train to shoot forward sorry oh no no we don't know the height requirement of the new ride unfortunately kids rider twister either or if you know I'm sure the kids ride will be very accommodating oh yeah probably not toddlers but the little future attractions what we actually think versus what we'd like okay so this is interesting because we kind of have an idea of what's coming so it's kind of cheating but what would you like future I'm gonna let you I'm gonna give you the I'm gonna give you a side-eye you're a whole time talking I'm just gonna be side-eye I'm gonna stop you is there a stop button by the way if someone gets out of hand yeah yeah we need to push that's ready to push that so what would I like realistic like I want either I want three things a B&M launch wing coaster a B&M invert or a GCI I think a GCI the only place to a GCI is a wind coaster I'm sure most of you know that but the only place I could see something like a GCI going is behind Whitewater Canyon somewhere along that service road in that forest maybe have it flying over similar to Mystic Timbers at Kings Island if we got a GCI I think it would be that size but but but what do I want the most the most a B&M launch wing coaster just guys a imagine a hundred and thirty kilometer an hour launch launches you into a two hundred foot Momen loop then you do a bunch of crazy twist turns maybe some in line inversions I thought I would be personally like I would never get off of that or B&M invert like Banshee but I know Brandon has different different ones and remember this is what you want not what we're in reality gonna get so what do you want okay I will talk about what we're actually gonna get soon okay what I want is a GCI GCI in Whitewater Canyon I also want a mock power splash oh a scream and swing scream and swing I do want a flying theater I know and it makes sense I think that a flying theater would do great for Winterfest and I definitely want a mock extreme spinner what I okay so what do you what do you think we're actually gonna get now in reality I don't think there's much chance that we're gonna get a B&M launch wing I would love that we're probably gonna get just a regular chain lift wind coaster very similar to gatekeeper you know maybe flies over the front gate does something maybe 20 30 feet taller I think there is a possibility you know within a certain amount of time maybe like more in the future of a B&M invert I could see that or than a mock extreme spinner where that would go I have no idea I think Brendan well you definitely you you would know the mock is in mock extreme spinner would be a hard place to predict where it could go because it could work anywhere we do know that Wonderland is eventually gonna bring back the international theme section of the park when that's up in the air but we know that they have their eyes set on it even that's been a we can't ever say names obviously but people higher up in the park have said that their eyes are set on that some people think it's the action zone is like their most beautiful section of the park but that being said what I actually think is gonna happen and I won't say anything in order because I feel like that needs to be my own video I think that you're gonna see a flying theater or dark ride out into action theater very shortly I'll say that very very shortly I think that we're definitely gonna see a this is where I differ I know we're gonna get one of the two I hope I hope I'm wrong but I except for mock we're gonna get a mock extreme spinner or a wing coaster that goes really high not your launch this is where we differ and I in the reason I know that if we get a wing coaster it's gonna be tall is someone that no longer works at the park but was like in a really high position of the park I think blessed Craig and I with a perfect plan that Wonderland was gonna go down and he's been right about everything like he told us about Lazy Bear Lodge in 2018 and it came true so and he told us about okay I remember now Oh Frontier Canada and how it was gonna be like a continuous growth plan with the park and that action theater was so this is the thing he told us in 2018 that action theater was gonna be developed a lot sooner than we thought and this was before COVID so I think that action theater was always a part of the plan because of Winterfest but COVID kind of made them like Wonderland needed to do certain things and now I think it's gonna come into play so so we're definitely gonna get either a wing coaster or a mock extreme spinner we're gonna get the flying theater we're gonna get Splashworks investments no matter what and we're probably gonna see a scream and swing or we're gonna see the same expansion that Carolyn's got it's either it's gonna be either or it's gonna be what Carolyn's just got exactly fitted into Frontier Canada to just give it rides and I think a great place for a new flat ride is gonna be do you know the old viewing area for Whitewater Canyon yes right by the entrance off to the side I think a flat ride there would be perfect so it's either it's gonna be either or it's not gonna be both we're either gonna get a scream and swing our park seems to be very against Zamperla for right now for some reason yeah I and then what was the other thing there's one thing I'm missing flying theater water park mock extreme spinner or wing coaster we're gonna get well you didn't really address on the water park the wall I know okay so our replacement part for the water side will be arriving in April I think there are there's gonna be something done in fact live I think an upgrade oh the restaurant oh a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent restaurant upgrades okay so what's interesting is how I get my information is I do have sources that work in both the industry and at the park I am getting fed information that is almost countering each other so I've been told we're due for a coaster in 2024 now by a trustworthy source I personally do not see it and I'm pretty good with knowing like you know like I know where to look for construction if there's something at Wonderland I'll see it before anyone so I was actually a little bit against you before I thought there was a possibility but now what's with what's going on with drive stir I think yeah yeah and then like if it is a coaster it's gonna be another filler which is not a good sign you do not want a coaster in 2024 I'm telling you right now if we get it in 2024 it is a very bad sign because it's gonna be like a 40 free spin it's gonna be under like probably 10 million dollars so we want it to be 2025 I personally think it's 2025 no questions asked nothing we're due 2025 and we're gonna start seeing signs next year which is good if we start seeing signs next year blessed be it's gonna be a 30 35 million dollar coaster so that look when we go into the park next year I'm not riding rides they can go ride their Leviathan I am heading right to frontier Canada and then I'm heading to flight deck and time warp and then I'm gonna head over to wild beast and those are gonna be the three areas I'm gonna visit maybe even dragon fire maybe even dragon fire which we're gonna talk about sin but yeah there's no there's no signs of a 2024 coaster in my opinion but my sources are telling me I'm wrong my sources are telling me I'm wrong so I'll say that very counterintuitive yeah so I said Zamperla flats are too small for CW I think Zamperla is gonna be having a lot of change yeah Zamperla has new designers right that are enthusiasts they're going through if you don't you guys should follow Zamperla's TikToks actually pretty interesting by next year I mean next season like 2023 we should see signs but we're not getting a coaster in 2024 and my personal opinion my sources say I'm wrong but yeah next for this topic future attractions but we actually very well we just answered that new additions at Wonderland will they draw a crowd what we think we kind of answered that already didn't we yeah what do you think about Wonderlands direction with theming I'm a roller coaster dragster I'm a roller coaster enthusiast I could I could go without the theming but I think they are slowly moving towards more of a theme park rather than an amusement park I still personally think you know the big 30 million dollar adrenaline rides will draw the most people in but again things are changing right and I think we're really gonna see that with Snoopy's Racing Railway because like the buildings and stuff from the renderings they actually look pretty detailed you know so they have an opportunity and because it's geared more towards kids and families I think would be in their best interest actually you know up the theming like as a wow factor for kids and stuff so I think we could expect to see a lot of theming there even tundra twister mm-hmm like that's probably gonna look pretty sick I'm excited to see the queue line what they do with that and I've already been told it's gonna be Skyhawk oh it's gonna be like yeah and it's gonna be on the Timberwolf side that's gonna be cool yeah so the entrance is probably gonna be like the old smoking area um what I I think Wonderland's heading down a really cool theme hat and I think honestly I think Frontier Canada is gonna be put to shame when they finally go back to their roots in the international area that's what I'm really excited for I think Paramount screwed that area oh yeah that beautiful what backlog used to be oh yeah that garden and waterfall and everything I'm excited like I love Frontier Canada he knows it I like love Frontier Canada but I definitely think that the international area will be even better I'm so excited so excited it's gonna be nice there's a lot of space and there's a lot of things they can do there Med Fair is beautiful like a lot of people don't give it enough credit I just think Wonderland needs to like fix a few things like drop tower and Speed City yeah those have no business being there I almost think that Wonderland building a restaurant where Speed City sits themed to medieval times almost would be really cool yeah not with the jesting and all that just like the medieval times the yeah yeah like eating with your hands to forcing like you have to eat with your hands to like the med like medieval times does serve more chicken bring back zoom a flume so someone high up at Wonderland the actually the head of construction and planning at Wonderland has said that he has always wanted to bring a log a traditional log flume to Canada's Wonderland so you never know you might actually see it yeah see you with your hands when they run out of cutlery well this is gives them a perfect excuse to get away with it environmentally friendly all right under theming oh intermission okay it's break time so if any of us need to use the washroom and you can grab yourself in the Nima bar and you guys can ask questions we'll only go one at a time and well answer questions in between series but to break the whole stream if you guys could see that like here it looks all neat and put together the behind the scenes area is like wires crossing over because is it we have like three four computers going doing streams is hard and then we have my internet like hooked up after net and there's just cords everywhere and then we have the professional lighting yeah so it's thing ask your questions what's the next so what's the next goes to be removed we have a whole topic of that coming up we were trying to keep this an hour and a half we just hit an hour and a half Syria so yeah so it's probably be a two hour stream I'm really close to the mic so tell me if I'm like screaming in your guys's ears sticks for cake pops did they run out of sticks for cake pops what do you think what the ride for Tundra Twister will look like when it's done I think it's gonna be do you guys follow me on Instagram I posted in the workshop of the company the paint job of Tundra Twister it's beautiful I actually think it's gonna be Wonderland's best-looking flat ride if not ride like I think it's gonna be beautiful I think Syria's yelling at me from the watching oh no that's just him flushing will Tundra Twisters line have theming no but you will have beautiful rocks to sit on and eat your meals on in traditional Wonderland format will Syria still go live tonight yes Syria will still go live tonight you're not thank you can you grab me a lemon loaf but the right side so in the fridge this side of you grab me the wrong side you're gonna kill me love this how often will you guys be doing these streams will be doing these streams every weekend every weekend and hold this account guys hold like hold this account because again I almost chickened out of this one yeah I did I almost chickened out where is Craig a Craig is moved on from theme parks and roller coasters he is living his life what yeah maybe I should make a video he's just the different different world Craig is in a different world now no drama no nothing it's just Syria's the new Craig he's good looking too yeah when will we see drone footage of the construction so we drove by the park today and I need to get the drone up immediately tomorrow let me tell you that so good question because there is cranes on site which usually means there is track I turned on notifications amusement insiders the caption good and did you did you return your window or chocolates and shot from my store are you allergic to anything sorry I'm allergic to Syria yep your skinny protein bars are you sure they're not Nanaimo bars from my store this better be from the safe side guys if I get sick in like 30 minutes he killed me everyone close your eyes I'm situating myself oh did you let it out no what do you do I have a discord server I do I it should be in the link of a video maybe not this one but it should be in the link you got a whole for Nanaimo look at the size of his lemon what are you talking about oh yeah yeah it's really high why is there an unsafe side okay so what had happened was I have so I work for a cool store where you know when we discontinue product we get to take it home so I have two things that lemon loaves one of them I left sitting out overnight so it's gone bad and I am one of those I'm one of those people that when you see a mess instead of putting it where it belongs like the trash I throw in the fridge is something to hide it so then I have a safe side where the lemon loaves have remained refrigerated and an unsafe side where they have not remained refrigerated smart smart merchandise this season I need to get a new website so basically what happened is I have really cool merch it cost me $80 a month to have a proper merch site that does everything for me and the product everyone who wanted to buy it had bought it so $80 a month became not necessary the masks we don't talk about that how does Wonderland rotate their food what jobs do you guys have so I work for a small engineering firm my my technical job position is a structural engineering inspector so engineering civil engineering field a store manager someone sending me pictures of us in the stream I look skinny right me me I'm just like you you're just like me oh okay you come on you guys at front gate on opening day oh wow that's a look that's good memory okay five more minutes of questions while we have our little break you don't need to use the washer no it's wrong with you just keep it all in okay we were in your video on opening day that's cool so you guys don't wonder if I was going to be people's they caught a fireland top five ride removals go for red of space well I think we're gonna talk about right ride removals next so stay tuned for that maybe save your question for that sorry up please share with the class why you want more B&M I want a B&M launch wing because well first of all I don't think the surf coaster is gonna be that good for launch but Thunderbird is a great great B&M like I know you know it is a wing the launch is good it's wippy the inversions are tight it has a great layout you know it really keeps its pacing well so I was very surprised with that and I want it B&M invert because that is one of my or maybe my actual favorite model of roller coaster I really love Banshee at Kings Island I think that is a phenomenal ride I can't name a single flaw with that ride even older B&M inverts which I know we won't get but like the new B&M restraints and everything is so comfortable they're so accommodating I just like it and it's reliable guys how many times have you gone to see your point and stuff doesn't work I saw you guys at Winterfest on Sirius birthday who do you think one of them will ever work with RMC no I hope I think so your fair might be done with them oh god we look so ugly eating I don't want to eat that's bull this is professional of chocolate on my face oh my god I didn't even think well what the microphone is picking up our eating noises that could be triggering ASMR no oh my god I'm so sorry guys if you could hear us eating so it's turning into a TikTok live we're gonna talk about we need to add that to our list in the next stream uncontrollable costs that have affected additions and paint jobs and stuff we'll add that to the next stream that that yeah that is we could talk about a lot of yeah yeah I'd rather get a GCI over a B&M our mark shut up Kaden this is why you're not inherent I'm kidding I mean I you want a GCI I prefer over a B&M not a mock extreme spinner okay they're beautiful they are they are I another reason I think B&M too is just capacity do you guys love coasts to each other well I live in Aurora and he lives in Brampton like 25 30 minutes put it all in there the skinny people left one Kaden how does this make you feel same a little yeah it looks like a lot of people on RMC re-theme ideas new paint schemes I miss vortex's blue trains oh yeah they used to be blue you're right you know vortex used to um take videos of you yeah I was a long time ago this is mine when did I open it I don't mind down here does that taste weird to you maybe it's because I'm eating a lemon maybe the lemon loaf was yeah I think that taste appeared all right guys we're about to get back on topic screenshot in that someone literally just sent me this picture that's really attractive yeah yeah he stopped stop taking photos of us screen record we already don't want to be we're swimsuit models though yeah we gotta go yeah Wonderland's five-year plan we got our time two hours we're ending okay well yeah we have a lot to talk about what do you want in the next five years at Wonderland we already cover this kind of so we'll just speed run major roller coaster um obviously that's gonna happen infrastructure improvements like restaurants we're not probably gonna get a water park expansion I actually wouldn't be if we got a cool I will a water coaster that's what I want I would love a water coaster um the capacity it's what I want so no I have beef with you you lately you've been on this whole B&M like you want a B&M you want a B&M but come summertime oh my goodness now suddenly you want to be in them what happened well you know if things medically don't go well at least I can still ride a beer is it the medical store oh my goodness we'll see in April what I 305 does to me but if it does something to me at least I know B&M won't kill me oh my goodness oh my okay I would love an Intamin by the way but I know that's not happening so I know velocity yeah I would love that's theming Wonderland can't afford the theming like an Intamin blitz like under love are just anywhere like that that would be I think everyone would love that that would be so successful but we know I don't think see your fair will ever work with Intamin again and I can't blame them after what happened the last 10 years that's true Intamin enthusiasts that's true that's CJ is it oh hey CJ I didn't know that was CJ I love CJ's content it's comedy I love it okay what do I think you guys already heard it like I made myself clear so I don't want to repeat myself but okay so what do we think our five-year plan is gonna look like compared to King's Island not spray-farm Carolin's and Cedar Point kind of like sum them all up okay what are you how I just cut myself good okay we're way off topic right okay what do you think what do I think yeah well you already know what I think and I've proven myself right we're gonna be the most invested in park I think that's gonna continue and I think we will see the hotel eventually and give me the eye roll give me the look give me the hotel a male hotel with blueprints and everything he thinks that this hotel doesn't exist he thinks it doesn't exist I love friend of the pieces but we're not getting a hotel he thinks I made this up out of thin air but I have thoughts about Guardian I think this is why some people at the park don't like me because I learned something recently Syria would have a suite there he would you know the funny thing is they're gonna build the hotel eventually and he's gonna be the first person on a he's gonna be like there's no point in driving 20 minutes home I can just stay at property who cares that it's $600 a night like the the hotel breakers at Cedar Point for the smallest room with no room service so I think that Wonderland is going to outside of topsoil dragster obviously is gonna get the biggest coasters or coaster because again five years there's only gonna be one and we're gonna continue down the path Wonderland gets multiple things Caroline's actually one of the few parks that recently have got that got a big like that right Wonderland's usually the park that gets those like well how far back are we going because when they built fury they gave Caroline's $50 million for like five years and that included fury it didn't include Copperhead include fury the hotel the front gate and the water park yeah okay but I didn't like technically are you constrict or the restaurant and all that like oh no no I was rebelling rebuttling you're supposed to be rebuttling this is okay okay no no no this is where I think Kings Island is gonna get a major roller coaster before we do I sincerely think that that Kings Island I think they're I think Kings Island Caroline's or Kings Dominion is gonna get something 20 million dollars or more in 2024 that's honest to God would I think well okay so there's gonna be another park that gets a coaster you're right about that yeah it's gonna be one of those three I think I think it's gonna be Kings Dominion I think it's most I just made you think I just made you think I was gonna say Kings Island but they got when did they get Orion was 2020 and member they begged for Orion yeah I didn't want to give it to them so you have to and they literally gave them the bare minimum of a gig I don't know care I think it might be Caroline's the pet like there's a chance I have for maybe even winterfest purpose but I think Caroline's might be the same year as one I think I could see Caroline's in Wonderland it being 2025 to 30 if it isn't actions at one part same year they've done it before haven't they just in 2010 with the both intimidators they've never done to wonderland and Caroline's have been one year off so I person if Caroline's isn't 2024 then they're gonna be 2025 so you think it's gonna be like okay so it's the only thing now when you said Kings Dominion is because they got rid of volcano Tumblee wasn't a replacement for volcano there even a room or something about a really small wing coaster did you see it it was like a hundred feet off not even was it like 80 90 feet under feet well Kings Dominion's attendance kind of does reflect something like that to be fair it was like eight million dollars so actually yeah I don't think it if Kings isn't if Kings Dominion gets it's not gonna be something major but Kings Dominion I knew it we were the same year were we yeah I knew I knew it was really that we we were one year apart with the B&M's the the hypers and then we matched her thing thank you Braden wait I swear I thought that's okay I'll punish you later wait that sounds weird I imagine Dornie gets something before there's a chance so again I think Caroline's wondering to be matched up again for 2025 so then it's gonna be Dornie or Kings Dominion I can't see Dornie getting anything I can see them removing stuff I mean they remove Stinger what is serial park Marine Land we're gonna talk about Marine Land next podcast okay we need we need to stagger yeah okay but I think Kings Island will get something I'm gonna say the next three years they're gonna get another 30 million dollar roller coaster just because it's Kings Island I like what they're building next year though oh yeah yeah I do like what I like that I can't wait to see what they do with adventure express that might be actually see her first most themed ride I loved it remember I loved it I thought I was gonna hate Kings Island I thought I was gonna hate Kings Island I'll give you that you won that but see I'm not biased I didn't stay in my hard little it's my favorite park now it's my favorite season all like yeah I'm shaking the camera or shut up ride removals well okay you start cuz you have a strong idea okay I screwed up one of the rides guys I screwed up one of the rides while Beast I still think it's due for a ride removal it is not getting removed next year so after talks recently it's not getting removed at the end of next season or at least I don't think so anymore but I think we need to keep our eyes on Dragonfire those two construction trailers like why are they placed there we didn't see them get used yet either if they get rid of Dragonfire I think that will almost a hundred percent be for a mock yes what else could fit there yeah like it would be so perfect and there's a lot of space under Leviathan like under Leviathan's live till there's probably like you know ten acres of space that they could play around with under there yeah and a mock would just be perfect and flight deck and time warp are definitely on the chopping block Mindbuster needs something done to it whether it's a complete retracting or something something serious happened to it we won't go in detail I'm wondering again sit us down in your office we need to talk hi caption something happened to Mindbuster that probably would have gotten a little more attention to the park to do something to it we weren't so properly trained and yeah like so again wonderland okay so the the thing about Wonderland is all the other parks have been removing attractions here in there right especially Kings Island they've been they've been doing that what Wonderland needs to do now is removing some of those older attractions and replacing them with something else Wonderland's been sitting here like we're gonna keep everything and now they have what's a really good top line and then they have just this like collection of trash and I don't mean that in like a harsh harsh way but it's really a collection of trash it's outdated it's not serving its purpose anymore even when that stuff first opened it was always second tier yes yeah that's as one of the largest amusement parks in North America maybe even one of the largest amusement parks in the world we should have some of the stuff we have exactly and Cedar Fair has been showing a history of removing aero coasters have they not yeah yeah so Dragonfire to me is one that I've been watching at the start of this season even at Winterfest did you see me like we'd walk by it I'd be like because there's these two construction trailers that popped up near it and they haven't been used yet but they're just sitting there right near the station and I'm hoping I thought we would start seeing signs this season of like markers or stuff I'm hoping next year we see something now the problem with Dragonfire is maintenance wise it's been kind of a breeze for the park yeah and for those you don't know one of the trains to what is it what vortex is sitting in our thing but that could be for the bat they did invest money in the bat so we know that's staying that's true the bat isn't going anywhere anytime soon no matter how many problems it's having they've been putting money into it the station paint jobs oh yeah they redid the roof yeah there is also though not quite wonderland related but a rumor that anaconda Kings Dominion might also be on the chopping block which is another era loop yeah so I'm gonna keep eyes on Dragonfire flight deck and time warp are gonna come down when the park wants to invest in the new thing there it wouldn't make sense for them to do anything with that area until the plans for international much as I hate it to say it that would be the perfect location for a B&M wing imagine that flying over front gate again yeah like I think we're gonna get that what Carolyn's got a $50 million two-year three-year package soon for our front gate a wing coaster and international oh like to start yeah like that restaurant and then they'll do it winter or a friend to Canada did it'll be like a five-year expansion friends are Canada's almost done I think it's difficult to say like we're I think one more major attraction whether it's a coaster or a water thing yeah the action theater isn't completing it it's due for one more thing maybe even like a restaurant or something back there one more ride it's either like a hundred twisters and completing friend to Canada no way something in Whitewater Canyon's area is gonna complete or a renovation of the log thing oh Timberwall Timberwall something I could see even a mock power splash finishing off Frontier Canada get rid of Timberwall for a mock power yeah I could see that I don't know if that's starting to like age a lot of leaks you guys walk by in the summer really get a good look at it yes the drop towers are also being all removed so I could see Wonderland upgrading their drop towers sometime in the next like five to ten years and our drop a lot of problems yes yeah as Jordan just said what would you like to go did you say what you think will go did you I mean we have the same opinion okay I can find like that like I don't think there's what I honestly like to go for me personally soaring temper so what would I like to go or what do we what would you like to go yeah I mean yeah like I personally like soaring timbers I would I would like drop tower and replace for a newer generation drop tower something like Falcon's Fury I think that would be friggin awesome and speed city I would love speed city to go that's probably like I had that no other cedar fair park has that it's outdated it's archaic it's an eyesore it makes Leviathan smell like a mechanic shop in the summer when it's hot out it needs to go damn you a personal beef I saw it what what's an eyesore again speed city oh yes yes speed city it's terrible okay it makes us look like a fair yes so very similar opinions I would like to see speed city gone for sure flight deck and time warp gone Kingswood gone dragon fire gone and wild beast and mindbuster gone mindbuster gone like gone for a lot you're gonna hate this but I think mindbuster needs to go for a massive water park expansion our water park is leagues behind our competition through Canada like the Ottawa water park and the and the Brampton one mississauga one what what in while like we're leagues behind so I think unfortunately mindbuster needs to be removed for a water park expansion because it's a lot of land I would like to see Wonderland do what Kings Island did to the beast and just do like a complete retract like you know spend two three million on it and just completely redo it and find that and that's it for topics yeah guys that was crazy we went a little bit over the time we thought but I think yeah I mean we can spend like five ten minutes answering questions so look what questions you have okay no no no what did you guys think how did you guys like the way we delivered it one thing I feel like I think we were pretty structured there was one point where we start going off topic a bit but I like it though we can call it derailed what we call the stream that I think a big question we should ask is would you guys want to see this live again should we keep this is a life format I kind of like the life format to it's a little more personal and interactive and if we stall or get derailed you know you guys are always here to bring up new and exciting points or get us back on track yeah I feel like just talking to like if we were just talking to that camera right now with no one interacting we would kind of like it would be a little more awkward it would be more monotone like yeah it's more organic yeah like it feels like we're actually well we are actually talking to people right now okay so I answer a few questions which park got orbiter no park got orbiter it's in the trash although they haven't seen it for a while yeah they did and no one about it I remember the motor sitting by being honestly it sounds a lot like a proper podcast thank you that's a huge compliment Kyle thank you Kyle because we were really nervous about that I remember you were you were like do you watch podcast you know what to do and I was like I watched a whole bunch of podcasts before starting I'm thinking my head oh I can't do this um Wonderland talk is great transfer track that's a good name too I like derailed though I like derailed yeah think but I think we need to change it we were gonna call it bickering through these but I feel like we're not bickering as much as oh you know what though maybe in other topics we will but I think we're actually pretty in line with yeah with this where is skyrider it's in a park in Italy what's the park called do you know I don't know the park but it's called freestyle yes it's that's in Italy what are some topics that you guys might want to see in the future like in the next few weeks or months or whatever yeah what are things you want us to discuss and if you guys aren't follow amusement insiders plural on Instagram because I'm gonna post questions like a little question sticker on our story again usually like five days before the stream of something you would like us to talk about honestly I'm kind of looking for people we kind of have a little team the moderates in here we're in a group chat people that can like look at industry news too and keep us updated because sometimes we might miss a story I got to stop drinking pop during these lives because it's like yeah I'm like trying to burp but I'm trying to disguise it so you guys don't hear like some gross noise I miss mine or so French it was an awesome we could do like I think we should do a hunt yes you said that next week we'll do that what do you think would work in a orbiter spot so the problem with that is Wonderland seems to like this new path a lot so I hope they don't yeah I hope that path that's yeah that's fair and you know what this could actually be a whole other topic as the infrastructure of Wonderland we briefly talked about it but I think Wonderland's paths some of them are a little too narrow so we need more pathways yeah so if any of you are on Instagram message me because I would like we can even create a group chat for these lies for people are gonna be in her regular and if you guys want to help out with like giving us like news like our topics to think that'd be awesome because this is new for both of us we're both out of our comfort zone yeah but we both really have a desire like a huge passion 20 like we both are like okay like should we talk about it okay we'll transparent okay yeah okay so we're gonna be transparent with you guys we're not liked like amongst content creators at Canada's Wonderland people think we're the biggest problem a holes and problematic people there are out there but what's funny is like yes we have had our times where so I've been wronged a lot of my life like wronged a lot where I've been bullied and I never stood up for myself and it's kind of turned me into this person now where I kind of don't accept when someone does something wrong to me I find it really hard to just accept it so when people in the community have done something wrong to me that I felt was wrong I kind of get into a really angry state where I'll like call them out I'm working on that because I do want to not call people out publicly anymore I do find that toxic and see that but I also don't see the wrong in defending yourself but it's doing that has caused people to think we're problematic and kind of discount our side of the story to like a lot of people are like well you're in the wrong there's always two sides to story we were in the wrong they were in the wrong and I do want to mention that you know when we realize we're in the wrong like we're not perfect right and like even you know we we've had our own problems this summer too but we always try and come up with common ground somewhere either repair something that needs to be repaired or just address it we don't want to stew about things anymore right so we've always been like you know what if there is a problem we're open to sitting down to someone and saying hey how can we all share this space together and make it a safe space for everybody yeah and again we're not perfect we have caused some problems we've been a part of some problems but and you know everyone there are two sides to a story so this is not me trying to toot our own horn but I think we've been pretty neutral in you know in saying when we were in the wrong versus when we weren't in the wrong and our goal has always been just to provide a safe space for the community and not everyone can come to the table with us and sit down with us which is unfortunate but at the end of the day we want to move on to make our own content not only for you guys but even for our own mental health too like you know I'm sure you can speak a lot on this but you almost stop making videos you still haven't made videos and a lot of that was from problems within the community yeah and you you address those problems but you know certain parties didn't want to see that and it's really unfortunate that we can't see eye-to-eye but you know what now we're at the stage where we've done our part we've extended the olive branch if they don't want to take it that's on them but we are gonna continue forward with the content we want to make and with our lives yeah it's just like we have that so the enthusiast community has been pretty like it's funny like it's gotten pretty toxic where like people call Suri and I jealous or people like will like kind of say things that are so far from true about us that's fine we've I there was one rumor that was going around about me and I put a hard stop to that I was basically like this needs to stop now or I'll get like thing because it was it was coming out of nowhere but the other part of it is working with Wonderland is really difficult and we learned that this year because they hold us to a standard that isn't fair and you have that being held to a standard that you can't really like like Wonderland kind of sometimes expects us to make videos that are only positive about them and if we do that there I remember there were there was some people calling me biased if you remember last year people like you're biased you're a bias source to your thing and that's true because I was being silenced I was being held to a standard if you only post positive so then that kind of got to me as everything does because I am sensitive and everything does get to me you can voucher that like I'll cry over the smallest little thing and so I started not being biased and then when I started not being biased Wonderland got upset so it's that and then you have Wonderland workers a whole nother breed of problems if you say you don't like this show or you don't like that restaurant or you the thing like you have a whole group of people that suddenly don't like you and when you have people that work at Wonderland that don't like you it's not fun like even our experience at Winterfest this season with the Canterbury team like it got like it was so childish like so childish it was typical third grade yeah I made a mistake of posting a story about an experience I had at Canterbury again working on my not ranting I had an experience I was in the wrong for this experience basically you weren't allowed to film this season anymore in Canterbury and my channel I always filmed all the shows and I would post them I was upset and it I felt like it wasn't handled right because they came up to us like it was there were two wrongs there but I was definitely more in the wrong they were coming up to us like every like 30 seconds stop filming but don't film no no clips over a minute but then they'd come up to us after 10 seconds of filming so then I got upset and I posted about it was like this doesn't make sense to me why can we not film and that upset the team rightfully so like you know I used my social media platform to say a bad experience I had at the park I then posted if you follow me an apology I posted an apology I really was sorry I definitely saw their side and there was a whole story I didn't know either about why they were doing that and I posted an apology well I thought that would be the end of it I even posted a lot of compliments about entertainment through haunt come winterfest the team at Canterbury every time they saw us would giggle laugh and shout at us the rules like if they saw us coming it was like teenage bullying like it was horrible it was there were days where we felt uncomfortable either yeah no they didn't rate in our face laughing but yeah it got ugly and it was difficult so we're hoping you know next year we're gonna go into wonderland with the understanding that whatever you post comes with consequences there is consequences to every action so we're gonna be a little more careful about what we post but also we're not gonna be biased and again if there is information to share we're not gonna fear the consequences that wonderland might have we're gonna be journalists on wonderland exactly what we're supposed to be and the other thing is we say something that offends somebody we're not targeting you we don't want to offend anybody but we're just reporting on something basically right like we're addressing something and we want to be as unbiased as possible and by being unbiased someone may actually most likely will get offended but you have to understand that we are not targeting anybody we don't have a problem with any certain one individual right when we post about a problem or something so it's not personal it's nothing to do with someone's personality or anything like that but Jim like also like you don't need to talk to the head of entertainment I they probably don't like me either from what I understand a lot of people in entertainment are upset with my post and something that happened in 2019 at haunt the security video I posted so I understand their side too and it's gonna take a while to repair that image so I'm not in the right I'm not like I'm not sitting here saying I'm in the right I hundred percent understand but the unprofessionalism after my apology was a little upsetting but they don't have to accept my apology either but there's ways to act when you don't like someone you don't do it in the workplace like if I was doing what they were doing at my current job I'd be fired yeah like I'd be fired in a heartbeat but should you become a ride-off yes you should they're firing any more questions guys everything works is the audio crisp we have a yeti here and just want to make sure the audio is really crisp like good crisp not like iPhone quality audio and you guys like the setup like the way we're positioned in the background just everything like should we yeah we're gonna have more decor to yeah like we're gonna have more we were trying to get everything super crisp awesome but we also had like a 10 minute debate how to sit down so we're sitting down in like a couch in a reclining chair but we were like do we sit in stools and sit up like that or are we a little more relaxed haven't we been to Hershey Park I love Hershey Park he hates Hershey Park I hate Hershey Park I think it's so overrated one of my favorite but I also am the only person that thinks that so I'm obviously in the wrong like I can accept no no no but like when you're the only one that has that opinion it's clearly something was biased about my visit that's not accurate tell them no no no no no you expose my Hershey Park opinion wait see here is a bit no you were gonna have that in next week's episode we're gonna have that next week's episode this is gonna be a whole no it's gonna be bickering through these next week let me tell you I'm down yeah I'll win fury guys fury for the win Hershey Park is my next park that's Matt oh I get it Hershey Park I was like oh my god we're being cold fat at the end of the street drop tower the thing with drop tower is like it doesn't really take up any real estate so yeah I don't know it's kind of like win seeker you know that it doesn't really excellent could we lose a couple of Kingswood tents what do you like could they tear down Kingswood is that what you're asking mr. excellent I think eventually yeah they're probably gonna definitely repurpose that area I would love to see another front gate there actually like a second entrance I think that would be perfect like snapchatting on the yeah I think a second entrance there would actually be really cool have a good one Jim awesome having in here yes good questions scrap what's a scrapped noodle coaster wicked twister yeah it was a better ride is the third best ride in that park again oh they got rid of wicked twister claiming they wanted to open up the beach and then they build this ugly wild mouse it's not even the good model food servers services are terrible I don't think they know how to train people I got in trouble for speaking my mind when will CW get an RMC and Hershey Park is overrated yes all right guys former minutes of questions former minutes well I'm this right at 215 and we were worried we wouldn't have enough content I know if it's like the entry I'd love it oh here's someone said which podcast apps is this gonna be posted on probably I don't know how it works again we're new I'm gonna look into iTunes and Spotify I don't even think we need to do iTunes does anyone use iTunes anyone spotify Spotify yeah look into it thoughts and Niagara meet amusement park that's that no that's that new rich guy that bought the amusement park and is building that oh yeah I've actually been there once they're one coaster isn't that bad so he also like this is what pisses me off this is what pisses me off about you actually been to that park that little shitty wooden coaster isn't you know it's not that bad steel bunches is a horrible right it's not even that good yes I have it's all right I haven't been there since six bikes do you know how the fire started in splash works I feel like we're not legally allowed to talk about this fully but we think we think it started from an electrical fire under the building for pump house but we don't know we don't know so this is all speculation and I don't think they would yeah done with that I like to talk about our tires I would like to talk about remove thunder it was on fire like the raptor speaker thunder runs fine now it's good don't worry it's actually pretty normal what happened to be honest minus the fire yeah I will be live as soon as I go home like great when you go home yeah I'm gonna hold you so go home okay I like your lives they're distracting okay what's your channel my channel is amusement insiders and minus Syria K325 on tiktok I don't have a YouTube my friends have something odd when the fire alarm in the theater what's your channel we need or see what her she very enthusiast is a cool kid have you guys did coaster and put yeah it's horrible how we did what the coaster at coast and how I've never done that actually I don't want to pay ten dollars well Craig I ever go to Wonderland yet and Craig I still goes to Wonderland but with his girlfriend and he doesn't really go to Wonderland outside of that I don't think he even went we probably count on one hand how many times you went this year yeah 100% yeah five visits this year he bought a pass but I don't think he bought all season fast lane which means he's not yeah I can't yeah mr. so what would flight deck from great America fit nicely the Wonderlands flight deck currently is I I think flight deck of great America is a little bigger cuz that's a B&M invert but I'm sure they could make it work like that actually our flight deck has a huge queue line oh it's shantel shantel where have you been shantel I know Braden was like we could see the snapchat faces all right any other questions we're a we're gonna end this and then Saria's gonna go home and we're gonna go live on his tiktok so Surya K325 previously coaster services oh Eurofighter would be cool then I raise any you too bad all right guys well I think this was great I was a lot better yeah I was expecting fails and glitches and it not working I was kind of worried we were run out of content but we went over yeah five minutes what we originally thought yeah which is pretty well trying we'll try and get it down to an hour and a half I think is a nice healthy time frame well now we know I think the problem is we did get derailed a little bit which is fine yeah it's stimulating conversation but maybe our next week we can do more of a script or something what's your tick how do I split your tiktok oh that's snapchat one sec mine yeah it's Surya K325 perfect all right thanks for coming guys thank you guys this is so much fun it's nice to be professional yeah I like this we're gonna keep it live yeah yeah we're gonna do this every week so subscribe I know you all are subscribed never mind all right what time around 9 yeah around 9 and we don't we can't have a day because again his job yeah he has weekends off my job like I work occasionally like a Saturday or a Sunday so it's probably gonna be a weekend day like Friday Saturday or Sunday the podcast yeah all right this was a lot of fun guys thank you for watching