 Would you say it's a little edge to it? Oh, yeah, I People always made fun of Lane because it's like only live on sewer street, but that never bothered me. I'm like, it's really common name Yeah, it's really common name also. No, I don't Yeah, I was like, it's not like you have my address mistaken Well folks's I'm ready to to break for daily tech news show if you are love it break Go for daily tech news show Perhaps you would like to read line three today, Sarah Perhaps I would Perhaps you wouldn't Here we go and three two Deborah Abel has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Deborah become a DTNs member at patreon.com DTNs This is the daily tech news for February 6 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from three and a half feet of snow in Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and from a warm Winter spring skies. I'm Roger Shane the shows producer of it in Scott's face three and a half feet of snow. I'm warm That's good. Listen, I got good soup weather. All right fight me. I'll take any of you on I bet McCormick will be having some hot new soup recipes from their AI collaboration with IBM soon. Whoa really? Yeah Listen to DTNs earlier this week for more on that story We are going to talk about Spotify's new strategy with podcast They had some good earnings news to go along with it, but let's start with a few tech things you should know HP is creating what it calls a comfortable high resolution headset featuring a resolution of 2160 by 2160 pixels per eye Code named copper for Microsoft's mixed reality VR platform We don't have an official price or release date at this time But road to VR published a preview photo kind of cool looking says that copper feels close to a finished product And it is a strong bet it will launch sometime this year. You're a strong bet kappa Yeah, that seems all right to me Microsoft announced its build developers conference will take place May 6th to the 8th at the Washington State Convention Center in Seattle, Washington Registration opens February 27th, and oh those dates sound a little familiar to your ears as they did mine You might be familiar with Google as they announced last month that its IO developer conference will happen May 7th through 9th So run over there. Microsoft just try to scoop IO with that Reuters reports at sources say German ministers and telecom operators discussed Wednesday whether to keep Huawei out of the German market to build 5g service the sources say no consensus has been reached at this point But a decision could come as early as next week Huawei operates information security labs in Germany in the UK that are meant for Independent parties to come in and review the equipment that Huawei provides to networks member. We're talking about switches and routers We're not talking about phones here Wednesday Huawei proposed building a new security center in Poland Poland is set to exclude Huawei equipment from its 5g network So while we're trying to say hey, we'll let you examine our equipment there and reassure yourselves Meanwhile the French Senate rejected to propose legislation that would have required telecoms to get formal approval For certain kinds of telecom equipment. It was a move thought to be targeted against Huawei It's not that the French government won't ever be able to put this law through but it's not going through this time All right, let's talk a little bit more about Gaming companies earnings and why Epic Games is dancing. Yeah, they are dancing Fortnight is ruining the stock market for game companies that is For instance takes to interact to beat analytics or excuse me analysts estimates Thanks to Red Dead Redemption 2, but it's forecast for coming quarters Well below expectations in part because of worries about you guess it the big F word fortnight EA reported revenue of 1.61 billion for the quarter missing an estimate of 1.7 billion and EA Attributed that decline to three things. They say a million fewer sales of Battlefield 5 than expected That did underperform They also Had a drop in mobile gaming revenue, which has been a strong point for EA for the last few years So that was a bit of a surprise and of course fortnight the big F word Activision Blizzard stock even took a hit And it didn't announce any earnings EA confirmed that Battlefield 5 is battle royale mode called firestorm will still launch in March it launched later than the game proper and Big news lately is respawns free to play battle royale game apex legends launched on PC Xbox one and ps4 Kind of out of nowhere. No advanced real-warrant thing. It was literally three or four days of leak and launch I played it. It's kind of awesome, but it is designed to disrupt you. Guess it fortnight Fortnight continues to be the dominant player in the battle royale genre and they're a monster and It's very hard for these other companies to Not only just find a way to compete or keep up with it But to be able to develop their versions of this game type Which they think is the answer in a fast enough turnaround time to a get to market and get some of that share and be Bring in players who don't see this is just yet another money grab or Johnny come lately So it's a very weird mix right now That's causing the industry at as a whole to have a bit of a stutter step Despite the fact that it's really just one game. They're dealing with one massive huge All-encompassing game that seems like everyone's playing in their dog and I'm I'm always the resident never played fortnight What's gaming person on this panel? But I do know enough about fortnight to know what a big deal it is and the fact that it might be eating into Very large competitors bottom lines is a big deal So my question to you all would be is fortnight something different than former the former second life wave is there something special about this game that is going to give it longevity that other games which Were very very popular at one point didn't ultimately hold on to well a warcraft, right? Yeah, we're the warcraft is a great example Because it's in its heyday and its time It was a huge phenomenon and kept a whole lot of people glued to their computers and still do in fairly large numbers and the millions still But even at their highest point which by all records is right around 12 to 15 million for world of warcraft at its peak in like 2009 They that's still a tiny tiny tiny drop in the bucket compared to the user base of fortnight Now part of that is where the warcraft was a buy it and then also rent it per month kind of game I had a subscription service still does fortnight is free to play you can get in there and play no matter who you are You're where you are so it has a massive advantage in that regard or at least in theory. That's part of the reason and it's also being adopted by a Large number of kids as their form of social media. This is where they meet and talk This is where they share information. They're not doing it in snapchat. They're not doing it in Facebook anymore They're just meeting up in fortnight and talking over comms or texting each other if they're on the PC version or on the phone So it's a big messy thing probably an entire topic for another show We could go even deeper and I think there's gonna never wish to do that Yeah, it'll be a movie in a book one day But for now just know that it is a disruptive force unlike previous was like warcraft Then minecraft then fortnight. Yeah, that's sort of the the evolution of those kinds of things That's fair. I would probably also throw League of Legends and MOBAs in there Yeah, that's good point They're still having their day, but they're a little more limited in terms of scope and appeal and this is just something else entirely And it's it's worth further discussion when we have a you know, we got a whole topic to throw at it Disney CEO Bob Iger confirmed that Captain Marvel will be the first Marvel movie to come to Disney plus Exclusively instead of to another streaming service Disney has ordered 10 episodes of diary of a female president from crazy ex-girlfriend writer Ilana Pena it will be produced by CBS TV studios for Disney plus Iger also said that Disney intends to take Hulu International once it becomes the majority owner after its acquisition of the majority of Fox is complete Iger also said that FX will Output content to Hulu. Yeah, it seems like he's indicating The stuff on Disney plus just like on Netflix and Netflix doesn't make everything or license everything Netflix sometimes pays other production companies to make stuff and Disney's gonna do that Just a lot of people don't realize American Idol was created by CBS TV studios for Fox back of the day I think it might still be done for ABC that way. I'm not sure so CBS TV studios making a show for Disney plus a lot Of people are latching on to that is like oh, so there they're not making all this stuff themselves But it's not an acquisition of a previous show that was airing someone else somewhere else It's it's commissioning something and the idea that Hulu is where all the Fox stuff where the adult stuff is gonna go You're gonna have Marvel Lucasfilm and kid stuff on Disney plus family-friendly stuff on Disney plus and Fox adult-oriented Stuff national geographic might go to Disney plus But most of the other Fox stuff goes to Hulu and I think that Geo's going to Hulu as well That makes sense Who Hulu is is the complement to Disney plus and those are two strong offerings for Disney to have Like it's like Disney and touchstone in the 80s and 90s That's what this reminds me an interesting little separate label to push more, you know The content that doesn't fit under the normal Disney umbrella 18 year old Linus Hensie posted a demo video of an exploit called key steel Which can copy passwords from Mac OS's login and system keychains without needing admin privileges It's a pretty bad exploit It works even if system integrity protection or access control lists are configured Although it does not affect iCloud keychain Usually I try to emphasize that these sort of stories are good news because a researcher Discovering a vulnerability before the bad folks do means the company can patch it and we're all safer because of it except in this case Hensie is not sharing details of the exploit with Apple in protest over the company's bug bounty policy Specifically that Apple pays bug bounties for iOS bugs But not for Mac OS bugs and he says hey, you know what I guess you don't care about Mac OS bugs So I will demonstrate that I've exploited this. I will offer a mitigation There's a way to add a password to your keychain to mitigate this But I am not going to share it with Apple right away until we get this figured out It seems like a big enough exploit that Apple might want to rethink its bug bounty policies Yes, and I think this is not responsible disclosure and I am Firmly for responsible disclosure. I get why he's doing it And I don't know maybe this kind of disobedience is the only way to make the point and it'll shut Apple into doing it But I I can't condone this because it is putting people in danger now People who didn't think about this bug will go try to figure out how to do it And if somebody can do it then they might be able to take advantage of it before Apple can patch it or maybe Apple Will figure out how to patch it anyway, you know, yeah makes people who might want to exploit this in the first place They don't need his explanation. They just have narrowed their focus and now they can focus on finding the exploit themselves And then enough time passes while they're having this back and forth and pretty soon we're all vulnerable or at least Mac users Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't like any of this actually all of this bugs me I wish Apple was better about their bounty system and I wish this guy wasn't holding it hostage It'd be nice if they could find a way to come together there right now over this bug Come together the New York Times reports net income of fifty five point two million dollars Driven by revenue of seven hundred nine million from its digital business the Times reports It's employed an all-time high of sixteen hundred journalists. That's their current employment Day digital ad revenue increased twenty two point eight percent not no small number there While print average Avenue declined ten point two percent sort of a continuing decline overall and Digital ads made up fifty three point nine percent of ad revenue Hey everybody guess what? The the at least the companies who make print media are doing okay doing all right Doing good online and it's interesting because the New York Times is I read plenty of New York Times stories But I don't pay my monthly fee so I do get capped it I believe it's ten articles per month and it's always a little annoying when I'm like Got to the end of that one and just because usually the New York Times stories that I'm looking at for the show I can find elsewhere Never you mind but but but but I that is a model that at first I thought this is annoying enough that they'll drive away people entirely But I assume that is actually Opposite of what the case is yeah, I remember Tom saying this didn't you just used to do Yeah, I have to admit I am one who thought that eventually that these paywalls would not work out for most companies I knew it worked well for the Wall Street Journal But limiting access to your fans to get your stuff I always thought was a bad idea But I think the New York Times figured it out like had just the right amount available for most people for free to keep their Impressions up for ad sales and be able to bring in digital at digital revenue from subscriptions. So yeah I was I was wrong about that at least in the case of the New York Times for sure It seems like they're doing well. Also, Sarah, you pointed out Claire Atkinson senior editor of media at NBC News tweeted that 265,000 new digital subscribers in Q4 include 93,000 who signed up for crossword cooking or other digital only non-news products So the old the old situation where people subscribe to a print publication for not the news Classifies the life section the sports section. That's still true Yeah, I think I think it's important that the the New York Times Subscriber who got their paper delivered every day or even the Sunday edition as my mom I think still does Oh, yeah, this is different than somebody who is able to only pay for the crossword online It's not the entire paper. You're not necessarily reading all the world news Some of them certainly are but it sounds like a lot of these numbers are not the same Subscription you can add a bunch of subscribers But if they're only paying for a very small part of what the New York Times offers, that's not the same It's not exactly the same. I mean, I somebody who's spending all their entire day reading the New York Times online I want to float a theory and this is for either of you to just tell me I'm wrong But so I'm just gonna float a little theory I have it seems like it's a combination of two things One is when they started down this road It did seem crazy and it didn't match with the rest of what we all thought would be the future of content delivery on the internet But what happened is two things happen. They dug in and stuck with it through a very interesting transition online where Microtransactions the ability to subscribe to services that we value in other mediums like Netflix like Hulu like that stuff came to be Now you have many many offerings in that regard from traditional media companies even so it seemed like we got to a place where we were Grumpy about the idea of subscribing to things digitally and now we're over it and we do it all the time and so them Holding out this long was a key. I think the other key is very Rich regardless of where you may land on how you like the news these days a very rich environment For lots and lots of things to be informed about and a big tentpole company like the New York Times is gonna be right there to snap it up So it's about sticking with it and also kind of a happy accident of a time for news Equals they succeeded wildly also don't don't Misunderstand 93,000 signed up for non news But the majority of new digital subscribers signed up for news the majority of people want news It's just a bigger number that didn't want news than maybe you would have expected But I think the New York Times was smart into getting into digital way early back in the 90s They were putting out a version of the front page on the web that that rendered really nicely in Netscape They've been ahead of this game for a long time They found the balance and I think this puts the lie to the idea that journalism can't exist on the web I've been saying for a long time while I was entirely wrong about the paywall I have been saying for a long time that journalism is fine just figuring out when the playing field is this equal for everybody There's no difference between TV radio and print There's no difference between a small town paper and a large conglomerate that's international It's going to shake out a lot of things and it looks like the New York Times has figured out how to navigate those those waters fairly well Yay news Also in very good news I know it's gonna make everybody happy the Unicode consortium finalized emoji version 12.0 Adding 59 new emoji types to the standard making up 230 new emojis when you include skin tones and genders This includes accessibility emojis like an ear with a hearing aid someone in a wheelchair Prosthetic limbs new animals include a sloth an otter and my very favorite a skunk and new food items include waffles Garlic and thankfully a juice box Axes chairs and swimwear are also new. This brings the emoji set up to 3053 total gifts. Can you think of anything grosser though than a combination of waffles garlic in a juice box? I always use an axe to cut my waffles garlic and jukebox Yeah, I feel like there's probably a savory garlic waffle out there that isn't too terrible That's a good point. You got to wash it down with something Something just box. I I think this is great I would just say that I'm getting to the point that where I have a little bit of paralysis when I'm choosing emojis And I just default to like the five I used to use on ICQ smiley face franny face Thumbs up or whatever because it's starting to get to the point where I'm just like, I don't even know what I want I don't know what I want. There's thousands of them here. What do I want? I don't know how about a smiley face done I don't know that's I'm getting old or what but that's where I'm at too many emojis What happened to just a smiley that was good enough for me a winky face. It's all I need Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Spotify reported monthly active users rose 30% on the year to 207 million That's good news operating profit of 94 million euros net income of 442 million euros first time they're profitable. That's good news Although both those numbers fell short of analyst expectations. That wasn't as good news Spotify also announced it has acquired a podcasting company or is in the process of acquiring pride podcasting company gimlet and podcasting mobile platform anchor and says it wants to spend about 200 million dollars acquiring more podcasting related businesses if you don't know anchor is a platform we used to do daily tech headlines on that provides Podcasters a way to interact with their audience publish their podcast to multiple platforms and now they'll be able to funnel those Podcasts right into Spotify gimlet. Of course Sarah. I know you're a big fan of their very high-quality shows Yeah, it started with startup remember that podcast. It was all about how do we start a startup? That was what gimlet media was and and they've produced some really fast fascinating and high-quality stuff Reply all is my favorite show. I listen to it every single week. And so my first reaction to this was oh, man I'm not a Spotify user. I'm on Apple music. Does my gimlet stuff go away? Does this become something behind a Spotify walled garden of sorts? And I don't think that would that would be the case They would lose so many people by doing that. I think what's probably going on is that gimlet media is a great example Of a podcasting network that grew from nothing into something very strong very high audience numbers Very healthy advertising revenue and something like anchor could be pushed by Spotify To say and you could be the next gimlet Right, right and and I think they'll use gimlet to create some exclusives that are new Probably maybe things that launch on Spotify first before they go wide But I think the really interesting thing going on here is Spotify looking at its free tier Where it doesn't make as much money as its subscriptions, you know 207 million users 93 million I think are paid and that's where it makes most of its money Their free tier works when it gets people in the tent and then they move up to premium They can start reducing the music options in the free tier if they get people coming for podcasts And I think that's super smart They're gonna have to do a lot of work to improve their app for podcast listening It's really not designed well for that right now But if they do that and maybe anchor helps them with that, right? They can then create a sister situation where you come for the podcast stay and pay for the music Yeah, I'm stoked that they're that from the beginning when they started just moving more toward a more podcast friendly app In the beginning it was a little bit closed and that bugged me They opened up and they said hey everybody put your feeds in and I did and it was easy and it was great And I was thrilled and then this came along and I went that's kind of cool But it's it smells like you're gonna hide something from the rest of us Or that you're gonna curate something to the point that it's no longer a podcast And I don't like it when companies do that again We don't know what they're gonna do with original content from gimlet it may just be that they've now just got a really great powerhouse arm of content creation and then anchor as a way of bringing people in or executing on the promise of Smaller people being able to make cool podcasts or whatever they do that with Strategically it all sounds great. I just get nervous that when these companies Get to a certain place and for all the heat people give Apple for their closed gardens and stuff They have that the very least kept their their Their their podcast world in a relatively open space you can get the podcast wherever you want I tunes is a place to get it, but it doesn't lock it in. There's no reason. You can't get it somewhere else I hope they follow that path because I just feel like the medium needs to always be that always needs to have Don't forget Spotify has a label In fact, we talked about the label out of Jiro sovereign in in in Geo sovereign in in India That and the idea with those labels isn't to keep the music only on those streaming platforms Label artists on on Spotify's label are played on Apple music and other services, right? It's just Spotify gets to feature them they get to exclusive they get to get early releases And so I could see them doing that with podcast talent to saying hey What's working for music artists? We can also do with podcasters In fact, I think it would be super smart for Apple music to do the same thing because Apple does have Exclusive recordings and live concerts and things that they put out only on Apple music at least initially and and doing that with podcast When you're the predominant podcast Provider out there. I mean 50. I think it's 50 plus percent of people listen to their podcasts through iTunes somehow I I think they might be missing something there by not Snapping up a company like in like I get it. I hope sorry sir. I mean you're up to you I just I just hope what they do is is not Dangled carrots in front of me the way say Star Trek Discovery is a CBL CBS all access like I don't I don't like the whole Here's a little taste now come over here and pay for our thing I know that's not what they're saying and we don't even know how this is all gonna play out But you mean like like Netflix does with stranger things where they're like, well, you can only get it if you pay for Netflix You kind of I mean you make a good point But the Netflix isn't a bunch of independent creators making a thing we should all just have open access to there's a there's a core Philosophical problem I have that maybe we don't need anymore. Maybe I'm 2004ing my brain here and I'm just like yeah podcast man. It's the new way We're all open everybody can get it and maybe that's starting to change and everyone's There are two different things here I would hate it if Spotify started walling off a lot of stuff In fact, that was my biggest problem when they started adding podcasts is you had to do it only through them Like you couldn't they weren't just opening it up to anybody and and one thing they need to add to their app Is the ability to put in a custom RSS feed, right? You can't take any of our patreon RSS URLs and put them in Spotify yet And a lot of people like to do that sort of thing not just for our show So I'm with you there like leave make open podcasting part of your service But I don't think that prevents them from having a few exclusives in in-house things as long as they They allow those things to go out on the open market at some point Yeah, sorry, sir. You were gonna say something. I totally cut you off. Yeah, it's okay I I have been following Spotify's Introduction into the podcast world for a while and wondered why more wasn't happening it was sort of this Oh Spotify's getting into podcast. Cool. I guess, you know, we all work in podcasting I'm always interested in these sorts of things and it all seemed a little stalled I knew folks who couldn't get a hold of anybody over at Spotify to figure out why they couldn't get their podcast featured and the the the anchor Acquisition that gamma acquisition is interesting But the anchor acquisition is so much more interesting because the whole point of anchor is anybody could do this We will walk you through it. You can produce a podcast from your phone if that's what you want to do We have lots of tools. We have folks here who are ready to help you build your audience and Spotify certainly wasn't doing that for a large majority of people who are interested in working with them in the past So that's that's this big open-up tool that I think really put Spotify on a interesting Somewhat level playing field with itunes at this point itunes doesn't have anything like anchor I mean you can anybody could get a podcast featured on itunes as long as your your your feed is correct But to have Spotify have all of these Tools inside that now are offered to one would think anybody And I would think it would be for free at least on some level then it it changes the company completely and Daniel Eck has said that CEO of Spotify has said that they're gonna invest something like 500 million dollars this year into Podcasts with these acquisitions that eats into that that number quite a bit But the company is really serious about this listen folks if you quadruple what we're making on patreon what we can talk Also talking is everyone on our subreddit. 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Let's check out the mail bag Oh, we got a good one today Tom Frank also serve on Tays 47 wrote in about our kinetic energy discussion yesterday and how it might replace batteries and devices like Pacemakers things inside your body Frank says this heads close to home because back in 2007 I had an implantable cardiac defibrillator Implanted under my left shoulder to help manage an irregular heartbeat that could cause an arrhythmia The device has a 10-year battery unless it discharges which happened to me due to an incorrect configuration setting I moved a mattress and the ICD thought my heart rhythm was out of balance these things happen The results were shocking Unintended and I was taken to the ER where they were able to correctly load the settings The battery ended up lasting only seven years and in 2014 I was facing the prospect of having another surgery to install a new lithium battery a Single discharge tick took a third out of the battery life away Can you imagine people who have this with multiple discharges the thought of having frequent surgery is very anxiety-provoking? It all worked out in the end my cardiologist recommended not replacing the battery because my health improved now I'm just walking around with a dead device under my chest because removing it would involve another surgery But imagine if I didn't need to charge the battery ever my personal relief of not facing another surgery of Or even just the cost savings alone That is great. We had a few people write in and say that the battery life is around ten years But this is a great example of even though the battery life ten years That doesn't mean that you'll never have to replace that battery for one reason or another And it strikes me that the people who have discharges are probably the people who have more health problems That's why it discharges, right? That's why it goes into to work to keep the pace Which means they're probably at a higher risk when they have the surgery So it would be even more advantageous to those people if they had something that would just keep that battery charged Thanks for the email Frank and we're glad that you're feeling better these days Yes, thank you Frank then Frank's a fantastic supporter of the show. So thank you for that as well Thanks also to Scott Johnson for being with us this fun Wednesday Scott. What is new? Well, I just did and brand-new episode of the the monthly video game briefing with Patrick Beja That's an offshoot a spin-off of the Daily Tech news show. 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We're also live money through Friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern 20 1 30 UTC you can find out more and you can also tell a friend a neighbor or possibly your grandmother Daily tech news show comm slash live Sarah and I are out tomorrow, but Justin Robert Young and Shannon Morse will be here talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants.com That's good. I was I was think of a Muppet, you know, it's it's the Muppet laugh Justin's basically a Muppet if you look at him long enough. He's he's a he's a smart pro Muppet Oh, yeah, he's the George Clooney of Muppets then he's the mind. He's gonna Muppet in his brain. I'm sorry, bro He's got a brain Much greater than a Muppet's brain, but it's actual if you just watch You think somebody's got their hand up there and they're doing this just saying so we we have a few variations At showbot.chat realm.net of come together right now over bugs We also have Spotify sets its anchor Spotify becoming Spotify pod Got it good soup weather I do the crossword in ones and zeros that's cute be like Deborah that's become like a everyone be like whoever Muppet in the brain. That's post-show though. I come for the podcast stay for the music Figuring out the wall all walls aren't bad I'm gonna vote for Spotify sets its anchor. Yeah, I like that one, too Yeah, it's kind of a big story. All right, you know what I want to know What do you why do we why do we eat soup with utensils? Why don't we just drink soup? Hmm, right because I'm me so soup and in a lot of Japanese restaurants You just you just sip it, you know true true Understand some chunkier soup might be less desirable to drink out of a big one. That's so good to sip on But I didn't eat more and not good Well, I get this I get this chicken noodle soup from a supermarket nearby because it's just it's chicken noodle soup You know, it's delightful sure and it it has a fair amount of chunk in it You got noodles you get carrots you got celery the whole thing I'm chicken and I I Find myself just sometimes sipping it like you can get you can get the chunks in there Do that when I was when I was younger if you guys had these but you know those old vending machines They had like a they had a playing card on the side of the cups always. Oh, yeah It would dispense like hot it was either you get coffee and tea and stuff But also hot soup of some kind it was usually like a beef broth or something But I love getting those because you could just sit and just sip it and it was like savory And you just dig forever to drink it was hot like I would totally drink more soup if it was presented to me in drinkable format Good day. What is drink more soup drink more soup? I'm telling you because soup is great I agree with you more soup for all Drink your soup don't you don't have to conform I mean, I will continue to drink my soup Yeah, I just want to I want to know if there's anyone out there who's like Oh, yeah, my ministry only is just you know, I drink it out of a ceramic cup I have something that wouldn't burn your hands zero problem with your idea. I think it's a it's about It really is I'm gonna start drinking more soup good. Yeah Tomato bisque perfect to drink. I mean, you just you don't need a spoon for that That's the thing. It depends on the soup like a chicken noodle. I'm not so much gonna drink Right, I'm fine like chili or any thicker but a tomato bisque. Absolutely. Why wouldn't you drink that? There's really in fact. I I don't wear white anymore because things like tomato bisque with a spoon Means that I spill that's just the way that it goes That's gonna be my next my next wedding remark. So why isn't she wearing white like oh because of the tomato bisque? You're just talking like little shrapnel bits from the occasional drip. It's it's awful because if you wear white They're just little dots. It looks like you build somebody. I love your polka dot. That's wetter It's actually tomato bisque Now we just need like a soup straw Like something like it's not gonna melt. Maybe it's metal. Not sure if that would work Something that where you really get into the drinking of soup with a nice thick straw It exists Make one give it it exists. You okay good buy it buy it give it to Sarah and she will live with it for like two months added bonus Yeah, wide single glass straw for smoothies soups milkshakes and green drinks. This is amazing Great. I'm simply straws calm now see I would feel like the glass straw would get hot Because the soup is hot right if the same way a glass cup would be hard to drink coffee I don't it doesn't sit in there. It only passes through so it probably doesn't doesn't get doesn't heat up I guess that's true because of what if you're just drinking it really fast Drink it Then you're gonna have a bad time There's also somebody who sells chopstick straws for ramen So that use them to eat the ramen and then After you're done eating the noodles I'm in all in on that All this means is more soup and I think we all agree that that is a better world It also I it also demonstrates a principle that I've now lived by which is if someone says why Hasn't someone made immediately search for it because someone probably have Yeah, it's true. I have to do that with like comic ideas and yeah, you can't assume anymore Like this is even better than we imagined Someone should do a Superman But not called Superman. Oh I see what you mean. I don't know you search for that Irredeemable Is captain Marvel What's the other one? What's the one word of the kid? It's like a weird melding of Captain Marvel and Superman was like an image comic. Oh Oh, oh The one that he did before What's the name did before walking dead? It's called it's called. Oh Shoot, they should do one. It's a great that I've that's been in and out of production as a TV And movie thing forever. It's really good. Why can't I think of the comic? I have it and I I'm totally blanking on it But I'm also trying to the dad the dad issues and the his dad's like a Superman kind kind of dude invincible Yes, that's it. Oh, that's becoming a TV show. Yeah, and finally it's been in production hell forever But yes, yeah, that's a great. What a great comic that is So good Gritty and dark in parts and then happy and not and others. It's just great like a great tomato bisque like a bisque through a strong Exactly hmm, you've made me want soup Sarah congratulate What kind of soup would you had if you could have any soup? Well all this tomato bisque talk honestly is leaning in that direction But I would probably go Geez does it need to be soup soup or can it be like a stew? Oh We should we should determine what makes a stew not a soup So like would a beef stew count as a straight stew and just not a suit, right? Yeah feels like a stew a stew is Well, I don't know I mean because I was gonna say clam chowder But that's kind of thick and hearty with chunks of stuff in it. I Would drink that what's the old soup you could buy it? Well, you still can I think but it was that the slogan was eats like suit or it tastes like soup eats like a meal or whatever And he had to use it Thomas Thomas doing something in front of his camera You're not really drinking that is he really drinking that that's cold tomato soup in a box You really drank that I bet it wasn't refrigerated dude I've seen him eat a tomato or excuse me a chocolate donut and then wash it down with plamato So I think he would do it. I think because he has messed up taste buds But here's here's the thing. Who's to say that creamy tomato soup can't be cold look at the spot show No, it's a gazpacho. Exactly. It's actually quite good. Oh my gosh Next time I'm on an airplane and they say, you know, would you like something to drink? I'll say yes tomato soup and when they say you mean tomato juice. I'll say no I mean tomato soup and I'll have it now. Thank you Wow, okay, that's cool. No, I say tomato soup I Just want a good clam chowder. That's it. I love a good clam chowder. I'm with you on that one But I think I think a tomato bisque is probably my favorite and you dip some French bread in it I love tomato soup and green and grilled cheese That is the oh, yeah, yeah, that is that is comfort food 101 for anybody real quick spotter spot if I set the taker, right? It's in the it's in the dock Yeah, if you want to copy it out I Put it on line one last time I was in San Francisco. I had this dandiest Clam chowder I ever had my life and I hated it Sandy. Yeah Hold me that was legit They said it's supposed to take it's supposed to have a bunch of sand in it because that's when you know Clam chowder Roger has worked at Fisherman's Wharf in his past Roger What can you comment on whether the clam chowder? Yeah, if you like just crack open fresh clams and decide not to really clean them out I mean, that's that that's really just a clam cleaning thing like if you if you when you shut them now I would I would agree with you just in Principle, but I don't understand why we want that carried forward to the actual table like and it was in Wharf it was in a place someone said hey, this is a great place for chowder It's just like they make it in Boston like okay sweet and then I found out the way they make it in Boston It's just to leave all the sand Yeah, it's like even spinach that has dirt on it Please respond. I don't think you know spinach is great It's the worst to clean though because they grow so close to the ground. Yeah, it's hard to clean spinach. That's true It's not hard, but it's it's Yeah, it's something that I never feel like doing I Feel like after I ate that soup it was really gross I wanted to die but the insides of my throat are all smoothed out like someone you sent right Like those Exfoliation for your innards like you the tumblers you used to smooth gems. Did you ever have your kid? It's like some weird Gizzard byproduct. Yeah human gizzard It was foul and I don't want any more of that so well, that's unfortunate because Is wonderful Well, what I'll do is next time in that area LA or somewhere in the Bay or wherever you guys can give me your recommendations We have taco chowder in LA. That's you should go to Nate's. It's over Pacifica. Okay, Nate's It's like a diner a nuts. Why did I not save it there? Diner full of nuts got it It's right where by devil's slide before and now now you can walk it But before that actually used to be part of highway one before they That's why you want to get the chowder in the sourdough bowl because it soaks up the grit Those are so good when they're right when they're done any soup in a red bowl. Oh, yeah, when you eat your bowl There's nothing better Right there, right? Yeah It's just you leave no trace by yeah It's like camping leave leave nothing behind Take only memories leave only footprints. Oh Was always leave it better than you found it, but I like to take only memories leave Also like a good potato leak That's a good soup cheddar broccoli eat it take a leak take a leak After you eat too much soup. Yeah, that's right. It's it's very It's very refreshing, but a lot of liquid involved you eat too much you get the devil's slide Or if there's too much salt you don't do either of those things you just blow up like a balloon Okay, I don't like soup anymore Wait Chippino does it count as a soup that's nervous stew that would be a stew. Yeah that qualifies stew It's not she because there are like shells in it Isn't like Campbell's chunky soup just stew Yes, I This isn't stew when it's like mostly not liquid Well, this is a this is a good distinction to make these are these are the weighty questions Ponder here on daily technique show Video folks, please email us your thoughts on soup versus stew audio folks stick around to find out what crazy ideas we have next