 So good evening everyone this meeting is now being recorded so everyone should have seen something flash a message flash up on their screen let notifying that the meeting is being recorded. Great okay so calling to order 1216 meeting pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 this meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via zoom or by telephone see instructions below no in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. I just need a time. Yes it is 635 sorry about that all right so we have some meeting minutes to approve so let's do that first we are approving the 1013 2021 the 1027 2021 and the 11 for 2021 minutes so I move to approve those minutes and looking for a second second great any discussion any comments okay then I'll just go ahead and do a roll call vote so Yvonne how do you vote okay great uh Hala how do you vote Lord I okay and or how do you vote I Miller is I so that the the three meeting minutes pass unanimously and so let's go ahead and review our agenda for tonight and possibly we'll see if we're gonna maybe move some things around but we'll start with our public comment we do not have any presentations this evening interaction and discussion items we will review our etiquette and then I had planned for us to delve right into the strategic plan proposal we'll have a funding update a black census update and then depending on time a debrief of the reckoning in Boston screening and a debrief of the Evanston symposium and so and then we'll have another public comment period member reports and upcoming agenda items and meeting schedules and then be finished so let's see here um are there any questions about the agenda oh hello Dr. Shabazz nice to see you welcome Dr. Shabazz we just approved some minutes and if there are no questions on the agenda we're going to move um to public comment all right so I will read our public comment statement during the public comment period one of the the chair will recognize members of the public when called on please identify yourself by stating your full name preferred pronouns and residential address residents are welcome to express their views for up to three minutes at the discretion of the of the chair based upon the number of people who wish to speak no speaker can cede their time to another speaker the ahra will not engage in a dialogue or comment on a matter raised during public comment but we will be listening and taking note so if you would like to make a public comment please go ahead and use the raise hand function great okay so I'm gonna let Will Norris in hi everyone um I'm here again um I'm actually uh I'm not feeling very well so I'm gonna hop off in a minute um and just wait for the recording of this of this discussion um but I just wanted to mention that I reached out to I think um all members this week by email um hoping to talk to people um maybe this coming week if anyone has availability um just just by zoom is fine we can we can talk about it so um please uh keep an eye out for those emails um and that's that's really all thanks thank you Will yes Jennifer thank you Will it would be um great if it was my only concern is that if the public records request is called anything conversation that you have with any of the members would be um would be open to the subject to the open meeting law or the I'm sorry not open meeting law but to the public records request so if I could somehow be cceded on those types of communications that would be great all right can you still hear me yes okay I wasn't sure okay thank you for I didn't I didn't know that was important to you to I didn't know that was important I'm happy going forward to um CCU on this thank you great thank you Will okay is there anyone else who would like to speak in public comment right let me just go ahead and pull up the ropes quickly for a review just taking a moment to review the ropes and if there are no questions on that we can move on so given okay let's see um so I think what we'll do is we'll move right into the strategic plan proposal um can I just have a show of hands for who had a chance to review this um in advance of the meeting not okay good thanks that's good to know Ivan it's helpful you know um okay so uh we as you know at the last meeting I proposed um a more limited strategic plan and then I had this wonderful opportunity to go to Evanston this past weekend um and really learned so much about the local reparations uh you know the various models and the language and all of that kind of stuff and so it was an opportunity for me to really fill out this strategic plan proposal that I'm bringing forward um and so I'm going to pull it up on the screen and then we can go ahead and just open it up for discussion let's see here one second here and can everybody see that now okay great um let's see if I can just make this slide show all right actually hmm sorry I'm I'm trying to sort of manage the various levels okay so here we go um so we can just go ahead and open it up for discussion if you if you want to look at this yourself as opposed to on the screen here it's in the packet so if you want to pull it up on your own device you can also do that it is in the meeting packet um so I'd like to just go ahead and open it up um if I'm assuming that folks most of us had a chance to look at it and so instead of a re-reviewing the whole thing right now um unless somebody would like me to go through it I'm happy to do that so just give me a hand raise a hand if you'd like me to just quickly go through it okay good all right so let's open it up for discussion okay um well I'll give just a little bit more background here um so I am proposing that we um ask the town council to extend our charge um to June 2000 is that 2023 that I'm trying to say or 2022 actually um it is okay thank you um I had it right okay um and so this will give us the opportunity to work in in flexible phases um we could meet once or twice per month as a group and then form subcommittees um which will allow us to work within the open meeting law um and then I have three phases here that I'm recommending so phase one is the data collection phase so this is where we could bring expert testimony here at public meetings we could expand on our historical and modern research including oral histories collaborate with our schools and anchor institutions and then you'll see there's a community engagement and communications proposal here that we would um have various levels of engagement and then of course the foundation pieces that we've been talking about all along so strengthening our black stakeholder authority developing a reparations finance authority um and I can talk a little bit about that um and then really I guess the one piece that I want to point out that I took back from Evanston that's really important is um reparations for Amherst started the research and um we could call that historical research that we've done the the harm report essentially so it begins to identify the harm in our community um and I would recommend that we work to expand that what we'll want to do is also develop an impact report so that we can basically look at the way that the harm what impact has that harm had on our community and that allows us to begin to design a reparation program for for for the town because um without sort of that narrowly tailored harm report and being able to link it to an impact um we that's that's how we're we'll be able to sort of legally move through the process of making reparations so um we can talk more about that but phase two um we would develop the draft plan so this is where um we would determine eligibility and criteria using the harm report we would determine possible remedies via BAM and community feedback and then develop the process for making individual and collective reparations and then we could as I said here in we can work phase two and three together in identifying funding sources so all right I think Dr. Shabazz had his hand up so uh just check back yep go ahead Dr. Shabazz well no you should finish your your review we'll just when discussion comes I'm ready to you're ready to go okay yeah so um you know uh again being in Evanston this weekend really opened my eyes even more to um the need for our community to sort of so in less than a year we moved from a community petition to having this reparations fund and committee and it was a very linear process and what I'm recommending is that we now sort of allow the process to blossom and we um begin that uh that movement toward engaging the community and really engaging professionals as we need them to help us to develop a good and solid reparations plan for the community um so that's it I'm gonna you know I'm gonna open it up for discussion and if you have any questions please this would be a good time so go ahead Dr. Shabazz yes so I um also return uh from the same meeting uh with a renewed sense of of confidence in in this strategic update I think that um we need to move from this these kinds of bulleted points to really sort of drafting a letter to the council or something that um and a little more of a narrative that just explains the rationale explains the the reasoning and and can detail you know this this new plan of action with the additional amount of time but the you know but the need to this certainly fleshes out what we'll do with the extra time but you know the rationale I think is pretty clear that um there's not not enough time with again the extraordinary conditions that that we meet under that we're able to do this work under um Delta Omicron everything else going on that that certainly has has had effects on um on some of the you know affecting the timetable and also just that again from past experience of committees like the community safety working group so you turn in a report in June if you're disbanded if that's your your update then you know there's no built-in time for consideration for discussion with the with counselors for answering questions for coming back and being able to um uh you know do any additional work it's like you're you're one and done you've got your one report out and and you're done and we and we disband so even with with that in mind uh I think there's there's a need for this additional time and an additional schema where um yes we produce the report sometime between July or whatever the dates were in here but then there's time remaining in our in our charge in our activities as a public body of the town there's time to then engage to respond to be able to help in the in the setup in the in the moving forward of of what we actually plan so I think if that can be developed into a one paragraph or a very brief narrative explaining that have these bulleted points with the phases saying what we'll actually do over the course of this expanded time that uh we should uh I think I'd be happy to uh to make a motion in that regard thank you thank you Dr. Shabazz would anyone else like to I think and you know I appreciate um Dr. Shabazz that we're focusing really on whether or not this body would like to direct me as the chair to move through a process of requesting this extra time from the town council per the charter um there are certain kind of ways that that has to happen so um we can we can move toward a motion here tonight to do that but I'd like to hear what other folks um think about it so I guess what I'm trying to say is there's one question about whether to extend it and then there's the actual phases and in the meat of what's in here um which we can hash out not necessarily even you know all of that tonight yes Sivan I think it's important for us to um I think it's really great to extend the charge of the committee um I don't know what the protocols are for that and I guess Jen would know more about that what those protocols would mean um I also feel like I'm not sure like some of us on this committee me included where you know we knew there was a an ending there was a you know the light at the end of the tunnel kind of thing with the committee so um I feel like um that should also be uh considered it might be that there are it would be nice if everyone on this committee continued but I feel like some folks may not be able to continue I'm not saying I'm one of those people but I think we need to think about that and we need to think about recruitment and retainment because um we need to have um a full committee you know go ahead Hala sorry I lost myself so I couldn't mute myself oh you lost yourself that's deep just for a second um I also I'm in agreement with slowing it down because in our capitalist um certain gatekeeping things that aren't necessarily in our culture is the quick quick quick speed speed speed let's go let's go let's go that being said I also worry that part of what happens to us is sometimes things are so dragged out that all of a sudden but I like what we're doing here it's only adding another year and there's um a lot of action woven into it so I'm I would vote to adopt this strategic plan thank you thank you Hala Irv would you like to add anything I think everything you put on your eye would agree with that you know the first vote is to vote for the extension of time and then pursue that via the legislative process of the town secondly when I look through all of this the thing that jumps out at me is we get to a point where we and I can't remember what phase it is where we develop criteria for who would be eligible and that is concerning to me because it would mean that we would be going through all these phases and getting all this data and information and funding sources and etc and then we decide then we start having a conversation as to who is eligible and that to me is troublesome because that is a going to be an intense conversation amongst all of us and also the community and it has important implications or in terms of the other work that we would have already done so it seems to me that that conversation should take place sooner rather than later thank you yeah and I agree that that is going to be one of the more challenging pieces of our work and really tying that harm report with the impact report and working with folks who have some experience with this and you know continuing to work with Evanston with respect to how they're making those ties yes Irv I just wanted to add one other thing we have to remember that African Americans or people who identify as African American and for the 2020 census that we are less than 10 percent around 8 percent of the population here in Amherst and I would assume that that percentage goes down as you go back in time so and that adds more urgency to what I'm why I'm saying what I'm saying is that how many people are we talking about a virtue and the assumption is that if we're about 8 percent now what were we and the 50s or you know 40s 50s but before that what what percentage were you were in other words is what numbers are we talking about are we talking about 10 or 100 and we need to know that in my estimation before we start developing other kinds of things especially in relationship to additional funding sources and other things you have outlined in there and so I'm guessing what I'm doing is I'm wanting to make a case that we tackle the eligibility sooner than later. Ivan. Yeah I kind of agree I think that I'm certainly the things this proposal is very well done and I think it's really great for us to vote on it and approve it and move forward. I do know that there was a person who was sent a letter in I don't I don't know who that person was I think Jennifer forwarded it to the committee that was talking about the inequities in the school system and how there were many people who were affected young people and families affected by racism and inequities in the school system and so to follow Irv's lead on eligibility I'm sure there are families and folks and students and people who were affected in certain ways that lived in Amherst within those years that may have found it so difficult that they relocated like they're gone now and so I don't know if that's going to be something that we address in the eligibility requirements you know like is is it that you know oh families need to have gotten through the school system or they need to apply or you know like come back to share their experiences I don't know what it is I'm just saying that I feel like those numbers that Irv is talking about might be larger because there's probably some folks who have said oh well you know I just can't take this and they move away you know I don't know if that's some of you who have kind of looked at what the framework is for reparations in other communities if that's actually something that is addressed yeah absolutely and what I can do is get together the eligibility process that Evanston went through to prepare that for you all and share that with you because it's really helpful to see what another community did and you're absolutely right Yvonne there are there are certainly people that have been harmed that are no longer in our community and when we're thinking about individual reparations versus the collective reparations that we you know that that's something we really need to think about is how are we going to reach folks that no longer live here because because of the harm even you know and I think that's I certainly am holding that in the top of my mind Dr. Shabazz yes so I know of three ideas out there there is the Evanston approach which was linked to a very specific mode of redress having to do with housing coming out of an impact study that zeroed in on redlining and the negative effects that that had on Black home ownership in Evanston and so an eligibility criteria was identified for those who could submit and attempt to receive funding through that through that housing Black home ownership program there is also the work of Darity and Mullen and from here to equality not relative to a local program but relative to an idea about national level reparations having to do with from the time that a reparations program begins is extended that you would have been have be able to prove that you identified as of African heritage of African descent African Black or African American in various ways you would have to prove within the last 12 years you've been living as a as a Black Black person and that you trace actual genealogically your trace to families that ancestors that actually lived in in the in the United States and were enslaved and then thirdly there is the approach that the that BAM has taken that looks at people of African heritage regardless of birth regardless of nativity regardless of being born in Amherst or not or having ancestors born in Amherst but of African heritage living as Africans as an African person in the United States in Amherst resident of Amherst and that you are therefore eligible to be part of this stakeholder group or of this Black Assembly of Amherst, Massachusetts there could be other proposals other ideas about eligibility out there but we do have those three sort of before us and I think that the I think we can pose ourselves this question for a January meeting a February meeting I don't I don't see any reason to necessarily delay it to a phase two between July and September of 2022 I'm open to to moving on launching a discussion on that issue before the period of July to September so I would say yes I what I'm hearing is we're certainly willing to vote for the time to empower our chair to initiate a process of extending the life of this group of this of this public body but that details or specifics of this strategic plan we may or may not choose to vote on tonight that there are as has already been raised certain questions that may not exactly fall in in the phases or or or or even things not on here that that might should be on here so if we could just take this right now as a working document for the chair's use in approaching the town government about extending our charge I think I've been agreement with that but that clearly there is a rationale both within these bullet points and and and as we have been talking there's a reason to extend beyond June of 2022 and that being the case I'm prepared to move that we direct the chair to request that the town council extend the charge of the African Heritage Reparations Assembly beyond June of 2022 and in fact to extend it to June of 2023 I want to say Lord second but I see Jennifer's head going like this I can't Dr. Shabazz that was fantastic I just could you repeat that for me because see I I couldn't quite catch all of that well I'm going to use what's on the screen I move that our assembly direct the chair to request that the town council extend the charge of the African Heritage Reparations Assembly beyond June of 2022 to June of 2023 Lord second all right so we had a second any discussion any further discussion before I do a roll call vote I have a question yeah is the motion is there a reason why the motion is being pulled out from the entire document that is this basically strategic plan proposal are we voting on the plan proposal separately from the idea that the charge of the committee will be extended that's a good question Yvonne and I think you know I liked the language that Dr. Shabazz used in terms of using the strategic plan as a working document and somewhere in there I say that the phases are flexible we could certainly take the dates out and it's sort of like a flow chart for us to work with but I imagine it will evolve and so if we want to I think first we want to go ahead and make this motion to direct me to ask for that extension and then I would suggest we talk about the strategic plan briefly again to to to come up with some language that allows us maybe to to vote on that or adopting that tonight in some form or fashion well the reason why I brought it up is because I think it gives a lot of credence to extending the committee charge because now we have a document we've got like steps in order for us to fulfill those steps we need to extend the charge of the committee so that we can fulfill the steps you know I mean so I I mean I I think it's fine to vote on them separately but I would say that they go together very well and that certainly let's vote on this motion and then continue so that by the end of this meeting we can have this some you know somewhat strategic plan in place so that that I mean when you when you go to ask or try to do whatever the protocols is to extend the committee charge the strategic plan is a part of the reason why we're extending the committee charge you know yeah absolutely yeah and I think that what somebody said earlier about creating what I would do is I would create a little narrative that would go with the strategic plan and that's what I would submit now something that's on my mind is the last meeting of this council is on Monday so I could potentially call in tomorrow and ask her if she would be willing to take something you know the something that the chair didn't anticipate within 48 hours and add this to the agenda otherwise we're going to be wait my fear is what's going to happen is we're going to be waiting into January to get that approval because the first couple meetings of the new council are really going to be foundational and just sort of getting grounded in the new council so if you all don't care if you give me the sort of direction to let me go ahead and try to get it on that agenda for Monday's meeting if everyone's okay with that I will certainly call in first thing tomorrow morning and see if that's even a possibility all right right so basically Dr. Shabazz I think your hand is is your hand raised I can address something I think if we change the note at the bottom to say items from phases one two and three can happen at different times I know that that sort of subverts the idea of phases in some respect but if we could but since it says their phase two and three can happen simultaneously if we could also identify that items could be addressed in an earlier phase I gather the the idea is there's a data collection that we would embark on from from this point through June tapping expert knowledge tapping the community knowledge and going on from there to revisiting and developing a harm report and but if you're developing the harm report then why couldn't criteria our eligibility be part of the harm report that you're developing in phase one I agree with members who have expressed tonight you know the need to engage that question earlier in a way you are addressing it earlier because as you develop whether a narrow narrowly tailored harm report or not as you develop a sense of the harms your you can also begin to develop the question of how would a how would redress best work given these harms how would how would but the other thing is that I think we have to keep because you know I've ducked this eligibility question from the beginning because I don't think it's very important um to me the in the sense of of of trying to say it's one group and one group only for all time the eligibility criterion developed in Evanston is around a specific harm report a specific issue being addressed in a specific way it's not to say that down the line other proposals other ideas can't be addressed that might involve people who did not have ancestors who did not have people who lived in Evanston in the 1960s or before the 1960s or whatever it was these there might be a different criterion there might be a different um um idea based upon a different harm that people are attempting to address so I don't think we ought to really be concerned about locking in into a single definition for all time that will govern the the reparative justice work in Amherst okay if you have a specific harm and you want to prioritize a specific harm and a specific impact on a specific population of African heritage people in Amherst and say hey this is what we want to prioritize to address first and then that's fine and that's the eligibility that you're addressing in that specific redress but other items may come up to be to be addressed that you'll want to redress that have that that may require a different sense of eligibility so that's that's my own thinking about it if there is simply a way to pull that out of phase two and to say in phase one we will begin to consider you know questions of of eligibility for reparative justice efforts along with the harm report then I don't think we've I don't know that there's any other problem with using this as a working document again not as a blow by blow blueprint blueprint of all we're going to do over this time period nothing else will be discussed nothing else you know but as a working document then I'd say yes after the vote that's on the floor we could also vote in some way to say this amended strategic report strategic plan is to be used as a working document in understanding why we would would want to extend our time but but for now I think the vote is just on the the the extension of time and so that's how I I would address the the question the very good question that Yvonne raises Ms. Mendez raises great thank you and I just made two changes here you can see here under building the foundation I've added eligibility with the harm report here so that sort of covers what Dr. Shabazz is referring to and then I've also changed here that time frames are flexible so we're not locked into anything and that sort of can help us you know make this a more of an an evolving process and or did you have your hand up I did but everything that was going to talk about Dr. Shabazz addressed and as long as we have that in the forefront and in our thought process that whatever happens in the harm in terms of going forward with the impacts and harm that we're dealing with a population of African-Americans who were or are in avarice and those numbers need to be considered in terms of how we go about developing the criteria excellent yes Jennifer so very similar to Dr. Rhodes and Dr. Shabazz I just wanted to say that you know it it is very hard because the harm or the damage that is done can change at any time there could be some type of event that occurs even five years from now and so then would we exclude and then the other pieces this is about equity so you kind of have to look at it through the lens of in that way too of what is equitable for all right not just for you get equity because you were born here but all that live here Dr. Shabazz you're muted yeah it's just a point of order process question would we want to entertain a friendly amendment to this motion in light of the modifications to the strategic plan or do we want to just finish this vote first and then come back around and take up the voting the strategic plan I believe procedurally either we go for amendment or we call the question and and and I would like to call the question and then vote and vote on this and then move on okay so I'll do a roll call vote um Yvonne how do you vote I vote yes yay okay Irv how do you vote yes Hala how do you vote Lord I Dr. Shabazz how do you vote Shabazz yes and Miller yes okay so that was unanimous and um are we saying that we want to now create a new motion that essentially adopts the strategic plan to be used as a working document and I see Dr. Shabazz that your hand is raised so please go ahead so if you want to start another little box to get the language of this motion sure on the fly here let's see if I can do this I think I can I got to move some stuff around okay new slide all right when you're not already talking it's easier for me to catch what you're saying but when I'm finishing the last sentence you know are you good are you I'm okay okay all right so does somebody want Dr. Shabazz would you propose some language for this motion I move I move one second that we adopt the AHRA the African Heritage Reparation Assembly strategic plan proposal as a working document thank you sorry for purposes of our work going forward and to inform the council regarding our sunset date and do we have oops do we have a second second great any discussion any further discussion on this one one point of discussion that I would raise that and I don't say it to say we should go back into the document but when I was saying some things not in the document for example um it proposes that we at some point develops this draft plan but it doesn't actually indicate that the draft plan will be submitted to the council the council will address the the the draft plan in some form of fashion adopting it accepting it asking for rewrites asking for modification what have you and then at some point then we are empowered to move in that third phase of you know of beginning to make allocations of identifying funding sources and and recommending allocation if that's a part of it but there's no there's no indication of that and I just would say that I am interested uh madam chair that we get a sense of um if if indeed there are some targets so for example uh we've previously made some recommendations and I don't know when we're going to be asked when we might be invited to discuss with them or what have you about some of the recommendations we've made particularly concerning cannabis revenue concerning um the ARPA funds uh we've made some bold recommendations but I'm not I don't have any sense and I know you'll be you'll be sworn in soon and so you'll be um you know privy to the the movements of the council on these matters and that's a good thing but I am uh concerned that you know at some point we have some understanding of when our work is being considered and hopefully adopted and then we move on to the to whatever comes next yeah absolutely and one of the um pieces that I plan to talk about that's on the agenda tonight is a funding update and um I had a chance to review the draft budget guidelines that were submitted by the finance committee and I wanted to talk a little bit about what my observations are based on that document so yes absolutely uh would you like me Dr. Shabazz to add something to this right now about reporting back or are you just we're sort of making that that comment good not necessarily it's it's just noting that there's a development of a plan um and under phase two but there's nothing that indicates between phase two and phase three that there's ever a hearing there's ever an interaction with the council about that that plan so in some ways phase three is kind of contingent on on something happening but I just think we can leave that as an as an observation at this point and uh and understand that this is and I'm prepared to vote on this as a working document as is okay great does anyone else have any other discussion on this before we um take a vote okay I don't see any hands um so I'm gonna come back to the motion here and I am gonna start with Hala how do you vote oh I think we just lost Hala um oh there there we go Hala how do you vote sorry I had some technical issues Lord hi okay Yvonne how do you vote I vote yeah okay Irv how do you vote I vote yes and I'm leaving the meeting okay okay okay we have a couple other motions and I know that they were important matters to you but I can follow up with you tomorrow I know you have to go okay um Dr Shabazz how do you vote Shabazz yes okay and Miller yes so that passes unanimously and great thank you everybody um so is it the consensus of the group that will now that we sort of voted to ask for that extension we voted to use this as a working document we're gonna let that sit for and let's go through that process of getting the extension and so that would mean we can move on to another agenda item unless there is any other discussion on this matter okay great okay so um let's go to the funding update and um I'd like to provide some information that I have um I had a chance to speak with a representative from um the CPA committee there the the CPAC group and that person informed me that $550,000 has been left in reserves um and that money is eligible to be applied for and so I wanted to bring that to this body to see if you would like to move forward with some project potentially that we could apply for um under the guidelines of CPA um and I know we've talked a little bit about this not extensively but um there is $550,000 that's available and I think we would want to move on that one suggestion from the representative on the CPA was um land reparations for farming um is a potential use under the CPA there's also other uses like the cemetery the historic the west cemetery and um for example marker programs there's all sorts of ways and so what I'd like to do is get the discussion going to see if we want to move forward with applying for some project and how is this body going to decide uh what that project is would this be us oh maybe that project would be collecting data is that what we're talking about like uh polling or creating opportunities for general community to weigh in on what we're doing and make suggestions I'm just I'm a little I'm just trying to get a sense of like what kinds of things we would begin with so the CPA is very not restricted but they have very specific guidelines for what you can use the money for um and let's see if I can Jennifer you don't happen to have them readily available anywhere do you know okay hang on um so it's basically historical open space um I have it you do could you read it dr. shabazz thank you it says that um the uh the CPA makes recommendations to the town council for the acquisition creation and preservation of open space for the acquisition and preservation of historic resources for the acquisition creation and preservation of land for recreational use for the creation preservation and support of community housing and for rehabilitation or restoration of such open space historic resources land for recreational use and community housing that is acquired or created as provided in the community preservation act so it's very specific to that not surveys not studies not unless it's specifically related to acquisition creation preservation of land of historic resources or are rehabbing things for recreational use and so one of the big proposals that is pending I don't know if that's against this 550 or or it's already been applied for in some other funds perhaps Jennifer may may know and can enlighten us but I think there is a question about the recreational space for particularly with with the african heritage community in mind has been has been brought up under under CPA but but to to the specifics though I hope to have something to to share with you madam chair and from there to share with the assembly in the next I will share it with you and perhaps by our next meeting you'll you'll wish to share it with the assembly for consideration I think a an affirmative nod or an affirmative vote of the assembly would give it an extra set of backing to then go forward to the to the CPA and and from there forward to the town council so so yes I would I look to to share something with you that's fantastic thank you yes that would be great and there isn't a hard deadline it's really just about demonstrating that there's an urgency and so that sounds like a great plan if if that works for everybody that that works for me yeah okay we know anything about this discussion of recreational I mean particularly I'm hearing the high schools um badly in need uh recreational facilities the fields or whatever it has been raised as a prime candidate for CPA funding is that against this pool or has it already gone in against another pool do we know Jennifer I'll let you speak to that but I think it's separate I think it's separate because the the original plan or renovation of the fields is exceeds this amount yeah that's right a lot that's what I thought so I think it's it just wouldn't be enough and so whatever time frame that the money has to be used by wouldn't meet that that time frame that's what I wanted to ask because I'm like this 550 is already gone if it's no if those other needs are are making a claim against it but I think that with the things that have that fall under CPA that there's you know like we can't solve the housing crisis but there's a lot that can be done with $550,000 towards housing and or finding additional grants to work with that $550,000 that can be beneficial or basically to all of it right um and I know that Irv had earlier wanted a certain amount of well they did vote to allocate a certain amount of money back to recreation though correct from free cash yeah uh no was it not from free cash so from free cash you mean into the reparations fund or as separate for recreation I feel like separate from reparations but towards recreation I think it was ARPA is my it's ARPA funds okay that's my recollection okay um and another idea is so now we're getting into sort of um in this particular case deciding something right for the sort of on behalf of the community where ideally what we will be doing is going out engaging the community asking folks and that's how this body will then determine what to prioritize as you said Dr. Shabazz so you know I think for this given the timing you know your connections within the community and talking to folks and then bringing back a proposal is enough but there's also um you know the opportunity for us to invite specific public feedback um in relation to this if we wanted to go that route I would just recommend that you speak with Anna um counselor-elect because I think she has a wealth of information about this and she has a really good sense of what might be eligible and not and things like that um there's also Sarah Marshall I think is the chair of that body and would be a great person to speak with I think about this as well so I'm perfectly comfortable waiting for you to bring something back and and us to go from there Sarah Marshall is also on the Amherst Recreation Committee so that might be useful but I would actually think about maybe checking in with the Amherst Family Center or um so there's Amherst Family Center and then there's that's through the schools and then there's another one I tend to intertwine them because their names are so similar the Family Center no Family Outreach of Amherst Family Outreach of Amherst right I would I would try and look at even the ASC for those purposes as well but Let me tap one other thing while I have such uh great minds and and people with fonts of wisdom here especially Halla Lord in the dark where she is um but uh the the what was formerly known as the Hitchcock Center I understand that's town of Amherst property um it it's it's a pretty interesting location there by the common school and I think not far from a bus stop that I hear it's in need of rehab it's in need of of work but it strikes me as a potential a potential location that could be a a a a nice space for for projects community-based projects that that you know we'd want to have a space where folks could come could um you know develop develop the work and then from their fan out in the community working on the black senses working on on on talking to people about needs it seems it could be a an interesting space and then and I know it's not the only town-owned space but any no anyone know anything about that particular building is it still I thought they moved to Hampshire college yeah no they're no longer operating the program in that space right but they but that town but the town still owns that space is your that's what I'm asking okay I thought the common school went there I mean when you drive by it instead of it saying the Hitchcock Center it's just the common school so my thought per thought process I could check in easily but I thought that that's where the common school was I'm checking address is now I think they're both there actually and it's I think my understanding is that the town may own that and you could call Paul and just or Jennifer is your best Jennifer can ask Paul too well David Zomac is that's you know he's the I would bring that to have that conversation and with the David Zomac and just keeping in mind that with the CPA it's it has to be very tailored to their criteria and so if we can really hone in on something that would sort of be a locking key for them so to speak you know I think it would it would help us to get the most amount of that $550,000 so how about I do this dr. Shabazz I will add it as an agenda item for next next meeting and and that way you'll have you know I'm I'm assuming that we will not be meeting until after the new year at this point but we can talk about that certainly but does that work for you yep okay great are we calling that agenda item Hitchcock center update I want to CPA CPA yeah and so in terms of the are there any other questions about the CPA before I move on okay so with respect to the budget the draft budget guidelines and I apologize they they are not in the packet for your review this week but I will we'll go ahead and add them but I you can just do a google search and find them as well I can send them by email the draft budget guideline is a document that the finance committee creates at this time of year um and it's meant to inform town manager Backelman about sort of the priorities and and with respect to the budget um and when you read it you'll see that there is some narrative about the community safety working groups recommendations and crests but there's very little really narrative about overall racial justice um you know and so I think what that told me or tells me is that we this process that we'll go through over the next several months is a real opportunity for us to further engage and educate counselors and committee members and the community at large and so that when that draft comes out next time it includes something much more significant in relation to reparations um that's not to say that we don't move forward with the requests that we made but I think that doing this upfront work especially what we have outlined in phase one is going to help help us with respect to making that case for a larger commitment and uh you know what we learned what Dr. Shabazz and I learned in Evanston is different communities have approached this in different ways but several communities including Evanston and Asheville they asked for x amount of money so they said we want we want a commitment of two million dollars or in Evanston's case 10 million dollars um and there are different ways to do that you know we have asked for the cannabis funds but there are also ways to say to ask for example that the reparation fund be increased incrementally each year and we don't care where it comes from for example you know what I mean like take it from wherever and just increase it by x amount each year and so we want to kind of be thinking about that those different possibilities um and so I don't have much more to add in terms of a funding update other than to recommend and encourage you to read the budget guidelines and see how we may want to have that narrative look a little different next time they're written um and do the work that we need to do between now and then to make that happen um and really make our case um for a substantial commitment which is what we really need um so if there are any other questions on that though on anything related to funding um this is a this is the time to ask nothing all right great okay oh go ahead Jennifer sorry about it's my famous line just you know my thoughts when it comes to budgets in the town is that this is a business so you have to think about it in a business and maybe be less specific about where and let them figure that out and get them to just agree to the amount of money Dr. Shabazz so I thought one of our specific uh you know request could be interpreted as simply to have an earmark discussion um so the guideline is one thing but are you hearing anything about or is there anything that contradicts that possibility from happening in the in the budget guideline that in other words that when the new um council is seated in January I can gather just because we gave them this these recommendations in November that they wouldn't instantly you know and I've been hearing all the discussion about you know this this lame duck council not you know making some mad dash to to do all these rash things but um and I get so that's that's fine but it would be helpful to know that if when the new council is seated that there is perhaps a plan there is perhaps an idea out there that um relative to the recommendation of the AHRA we will have a earmark discussion about the cannabis revenue in date certain is there anything in the guidelines you're seeing that would would speak against that for the coming revenue stream or the revenue stream uh coming forward in um in terms of the cannabis revenue or is it already kind of identified that it's it's supporting the budget for for um the next fiscal year budget it's already supporting it in some other ways Jennifer do you want to speak to that that money is not and they don't include that in the budget in the same manner to go you know to be supportive of the overall town budget but what I will say is that I don't I don't know where we are with the revenues from marijuana because I you know rise stopped selling recreational and then we had another one pop up and whenever I drive by there I don't even know if they're open because I don't ever see a car in the parking lot so I mean the problem with it now is that they're popping up everywhere so there's so many options um so yeah it's a really good point and I think you know we don't know it's very unpredictable what's going to happen with the the cannabis in in the recreational in particular which is the only place that we can you know we're not we can't the cannabis revenue for medical does not apply to us so um I do think they used the cannabis revenue last year in the operating budget um but to specifically answer your question Dr. Shabazz the new council has the opportunity to review these draft budget guidelines and ask for changes to them so it's you know over the next several months and I suspect they they likely will um you know as part of the process of the budget cycle so um I think there will be an opportunity to come back to this absolutely but more and more I I'm I'm I'm less inclined to um to only go after that because and and more to say let's ask for X amount and let's ask for increases yearly because um because we just don't know it's not a dependable source of income necessarily or source of revenue do you feel that's something we're waiting down the line to to to discuss as an assembly making those recommendations about in terms of like you know a specific goal of X amount and you know add to it incrementally and let's have a plan to build toward it or or is it something we ought to move to to discuss sooner in our agenda next year personally I think that until we do this work of really going out engaging the community educating the community and sort of really capturing the hearts and minds as we talked about um I I think we will be more successful once we've done all of that work in really asking for a significant commitment from the town um I don't know what that point where that point is going to be in our work but I think we'll know I think we'll know once that groundswell starts rising up and we start educating and we start talking to all sorts of stakeholders and counselors and everybody else will will know when it's time to ask for that commitment I trust that and so I wouldn't force it because I don't think that we're actually I don't think I think though we've done a lot of work we're not that we're just not there yet that's my sense okay all right any other questions on the funding before we move on and so we're going to move on to the black census and we do have a motion in here actually I am proposing a motion I should say um so I'm going to go ahead and share my screen again and ask did folks have a chance to review the Dunahue Institute proposal that Irv worked on with respect to the black census and I'm gonna come to it right here okay so Irv worked with the Dunahue Institute to produce a proposal and a scope of services for the town manager that is $3,500 and it looks like a very good time frame and so I'm going to leave this up for a minute and I'm going to go to the bathroom um and then I have a motion that essentially um let's see here uh so the motion is I'm just sort of previewing the motion is to request that the town manager allocate $3,500 from the 2021 reparations set aside toward the Dunahue Institute proposal in the 1216 meeting packet so again I'm going to go ahead and leave that up here and for you all to take a look at and I'll be right back Jennifer you're not able to scroll it up are you okay it's on her computer it's on her computer oh and I I can't stop her share no no it's okay it's okay did you did you get a copy in the email yeah yep yep yep I had something else open in the email but um sure my question the proposal is about approving approving this proposal it's like $3,500 to help to gather data on populate population data I mean that's kind of a no-brainer okay the granularity to me is really the question I it sounds like it's going to be able to map out specific streets where people who answered the census as identifying as African American and so we can perhaps see certain clusters okay we're not we're not going to get name and door addresses or you know our apartment addresses um we'll just see certain streets we'll see certain yeah tracks neighborhood tracks or whatever that you know dots will show up saying that there were people that identified themselves as of black or African American on the for the census and and you know maybe that's helpful I don't know um but uh they're gonna you know it'll be some pretty pictures I suppose to see where black people live yeah that's where they get it from look at the census strike well Michelle I was just asking I looked at I looked through the proposal and I was like I don't know what the committee's voting on is it just to approve the proposal to get this data um so this would be to um ask the town manager to actually move forward with this proposal and allocate so um Paul set aside um I think it was about $6,000 last year for our group um so it it's still he he told me he he said that it's still set aside for us um and so what we're doing is asking him to use 3,500 of that money um toward this proposal and um so I'll go ahead and read the motion and and then we can have a discussion within that if that works um so the motion is to request that the town manager allocate $3,500 from the 2021 reparation set aside toward the Dunahue Institute proposal in the 1216 meeting packet and is there a second this motion doesn't says what the $3,500 does or why work doing it allocate $3,500 from from the 2021 reparation set aside um so that's the money that he has set aside for us from last year and to go toward the proposal so basically to pay we can be more direct maybe yeah please yeah I don't know what it's going towards yeah yeah so I guess how would how might we language this a little bit better um are we paying the Dunahue Institute for the work they've done already towards this or is this like oh this is the $3,500 we're gonna pay them to help us glean this information exactly okay yeah I think it should be more clear the motion needs to be clear that we're paying for the Dunahue Institute we're paying the Dunahue Institute okay so assist to assist us with with getting at this data right yes um so how because we it's the town manager's decision whether he wants to accept the proposal so we don't have the authority to accept it um so we have to request that the town manager basically we would come if we if we approve this then then I would go to town manager Buckleman and say AHRA voted to request that you move forward with this proposal and this scope of work with the Dunahue Institute yes Jennifer please help well I was just think I'm sorry I was like choking on the chip toward the Dunahue institutional proposal that will help gather information towards the black census I mean like I think that's she's just looking for a little bit of fluff in there right that might not be the right wording but I would put I would include black census in there because that's what it's for so for a black census to help collect data for the black census because they're not going to be our only data source but they are a data source and it's and it's from because they've already gotten the data right we're not doing new data I don't think they've collected it in the manner that we need it oh okay all right yeah this is going to be new work yeah so okay motion to request that the town manager allocate $3,500 from the 2021 site toward the Dunahue Institute proposal to help or to to help help collect data lacked yeah to collect data for a black census of Amherst I would I would put like somehow that it's contributing to the black census right so that it doesn't appear to be the only source of the black census yes okay oh well collect data used to create support yeah ours to support information of the black census of Amherst I don't know support the development yes of a black census okay black census of Amherst and do we I don't think we need to put this extra stuff down here yes that means it's now do we need to reference like well is it clear Jennifer that it's that because one of the Dunahue Institute puts another proposal forwarded should I is there a date on it maybe I should put the you could still include that 1216 date if you think it's um you know like a detail necessary you know I'll say I'll say the November 23rd yeah exactly yeah okay a different date motion to request at the time I was such a dated 2021 to collect data used to support the development of a black census of Amherst all right all right okay can I read the motion then right yes all right so here's the motion I put in the motion to request that the town manager allocate $3,500 from the 2021 reparations set aside towards a Dunahue Institute proposal dated November 23rd 2021 to collect data used to support the development of a black census of Amherst second okay any discussion Hala or Dr. Shabazz just checking in with you for discussion can call the question nothing okay great so I'll go ahead and call the vote and starting with you Dr. Shabazz how do you vote um I'll say uh I'm gonna abstain I'll abstain for now okay Hala Lord I okay um Miller I Yvonne Yvonne yes okay so that's three yes and one abstain does that does that work Jennifer does that pass or does that I think it should we're I mean you are it always I mean I could just look at it as the majority went um the majority vote okay I would just include that you just I mean like in my minutes I will include that two are absent okay perfect okay do and I just have sort of a silly question and I could ask this off the record but does anyone ever like I'm so curious I guess I'll call you tomorrow Dr. Shabazz I'm always curious you know about these things like if there was more to add or any information but yeah okay so that passes um and Dr. Shabazz or Hala was there any additional information through BAM with respect to the black census that we should report on only to say I think now that all the election stuff is over we hope to uh go and have a sit down with the election department about what ideas what uh strategy what information they may have on um uh you know actual where folks are and how we might look at um you know access data to help further our goal of identifying actual actual locations of people to uh to to inform about this work yeah that's excellent that's great yeah and good timing um okay so let me just of course of course the people will have doing it won't be getting paid like the Donahue Institute they'll have to do it on their own time and on their own dime uh along with the the folks at the clerk's the clerk's office they'll be answering a public request you know I guess at their own speed and in their own time based on it yeah Jennifer I just have a question of clarification though how would the information that the clerk would have be different from the census information that the Donahue Center has census information won't give you any location of where anybody I see what you're saying going to give you plots it's going to be visualization of plots of where people who answered the census takers information where they are uh there is at a level of granularity um and I may be uh wrong someone may inform me where the census taker who goes through um which was during a very extraordinary time that these takers would do it so I don't know but I've seen older um census returns and uh you know and so they do log the address they do log all the people they do log how each person is identified um uh racially and and in other categories other and otherwise and they um have this house by house block by block but whether you would actually uh have that available to you now in 2020 and can give us those names and addresses I don't think that's what you're going to get in two to three weeks from the Donahue Institute you're going to get um visualizations a lot of maps and stuff of streets locations showing you different little dots and different little uh uh scatter scatter shot of where blacks are predominant where you could thereby go and maybe with the census with the clerk's office information which is by actual address you could go to those addresses and kind of you know figure out who might be in on those streets on those blocks but I don't think from the census you're going to get names and addresses um at this at this stage but can the the clerk share the personal information from the census so I think there is a voting a voter role that is a public document that says here are all the voters of Amherst and here is where they live okay so you're okay if I'm wrong and that's not a public document I guess that's what the clerk is going to tell me but but if it is a public document then yes we will have every address every name but it's only those who vote so it's not a I feel like yeah it's not everything it's just those of voting age who are registered so that there's a difference there's a difference yeah no and I'm glad that you said that because you know as much as I'm opposed to what I have someone over 18 in my household then he won't vote like he's just anti-government voting the whole nine so but he doesn't vote but he's still a person of color so yeah there's lots of individuals out there that's really interesting yeah okay um so Jennifer will you would did you attend the reckoning did anyone okay well I think that Alexis may have and so we'll wait and we'll we'll push that debrief off until our next meeting and I actually would suggest and and Dr. Shabazz let me know what you think about this but I would love to put the video um of the town hall meeting that was put out from Evanston yeah I'd love to put that in our packet for our next meeting if you want take some time right now to debrief this we could do that or we could put that in there for the next time and when there when we have more folks here to to share with we could talk about it next time any I think we could talk about it but um any of the links coming out of that meeting I'd recommend we add to our to our website and if I need to make a motion if we've got enough people to do that yes Jennifer you're still muted yeah I've literally had multiple conversations on mute today this is just bad um so I I guess I'm kind of going under other topics not discussed because you give me a list of links and Amherst media has changed their websites and none of those links work anymore or I don't know what happened with Amherst media it looks like they changed their website from the last I looked but and if you guys I can show you on our page that I have added the resources that were given but the ones that you had don't aren't working the Amherst media links aren't working well Alexis did share with me that they were revamping their website and it was going to be set to go live so I bet you some there's some glitch or something there um maybe I can call Alexis tomorrow and see what's happening with that Jennifer that the case for all our archived ahra meetings as well those links are inoperable no so our ahra meetings are on our youtube channel that Amherst media picks up I would maybe it might be a little different for the council because they you know they live stream that but our meetings are on the youtube channel so it's a link to the youtube channel so I'll double check try to revise those and get you a revised list and and then um Michelle and I can just work on any links relative to the national town hall that that we can also share via our website it was a great incredible fountain of of information and inspiration to see folks from across the country from the west coast San Francisco Sacramento LA all the way to the east coast to our our friends in Boston to down south Atlanta New Orleans you know Tulsa Oklahoma to the Midwest to Chicago and Evanston where we were you know all reporting on their the activities in their area what some of the questions that are coming up are um and um yeah it's uh I think it's uh it speaks to the uh the growth of a uh of a real momentum uh in support of both nationally a a national reparations program but also in the spirit of of of repair in the spirit of reparative justice actions on the ground in in local areas to uh to begin to to address uh historic harms and inequities and um I'll say that when we were leaving Dr. Shpas and I had to leave just a little bit early to get to the airport and one of the commissioners of NARC basically said as I was saying goodbye to him um that he'll see he'll see me in Amherst and so that's for future discussion but I do believe that being there um was uh everything that Dr. Shpas said and also you know we we're we're really as a community really far along in this in this journey um or at the cutting edge of this journey of local reparations and so um just was very grateful for that for that opportunity and look forward to sharing the town hall and and also just to say it was a really great opportunity to bond with Dr. Shpas and Kathleen and Kathleen Anderson was also there so all right great so I think we can move on to our second oh go ahead Jennifer I didn't I got lost where we were in the agenda um but I wanted to show the webpage so just let me know when you're ready for that perfect time to do it so I actually think that we still need to do some work because now we have this left side that doesn't have enough enough can you see the page yes so you can click on here and it brings you to these wow um my concern is a it doesn't look like it's a link so I'll I'll talk to um Brianna about how to kind of make that well now it does but when you click on it but when you're just looking at the page it doesn't look like it's a link but also I just think we need to maybe we can put a photo of everybody here or something so that people know and then that's great um what do I want to call it not advertisement but publicity because that way if community members see you you know outside of the meeting somewhere and they have questions or thoughts that they can they it personalizes it so they can say oh you're from the reparations I had a question for you or I have an idea for you or whatever so one day just right here in the zoom I can just snip it and take photos of everyone yeah that would be great if maybe we have full attendance at our next meeting we could just get like a picture of all of the boxes together I think that's a great idea and I don't know if they can make that so they can't list the resources that you showed us underneath this on here as just or can that be made bigger somehow I know well that's what I was saying I yeah I it's you you don't really see it and it doesn't it also doesn't look like a hyperlink but we should have it more pronounced maybe this size but I'll work with Brianna cool wow that's a lot of resources though that's really exciting that's that's neat and we can start really sending people there now you know once it once it's where you want it to be then we can in the reparations for Amherst newsletter in the facebook we can all start sending people there for resources and I will so the the timeline I don't know if y'all had a chance to check out the timeline I put together for the Amherst sort of journey but there's hyperlinks in there as well so that if if you're trying to access one of the research reports or I don't know if I can did everyone have a chance to look at that let me just show really quickly and then we can move on here so I put together this timeline here and so starting in August 2020 and coming right through to the Evanston meeting that happened and so you can click like if you click here it will take you to the for the community petition that went out originally so like everything that we've done the symposiums it will take you to the symposium videos it will take you to the resolution the research reports so everything is is linkable and easy to get to right from this timeline it's in the packet but I didn't click through anything so that's actually really great now that's really nice yeah cool yeah and and I think it's a it's a really good document to share with people who are like curious and interested because all in just a couple pages it gives you a lot of information Jennifer yeah I just have to go back to the reckoning and in Boston because that filled so quickly that I actually had people emailing me that they couldn't get a seat and a lot of folks were very very interested so I'm not sure if there's a way that we can try and have well it comes it's published in January correct yeah so what coffee said so there were some road bumps and some communication challenges and I had a really great discussion with coffee the day or so before it was gonna happen and what we agreed to is let's do this again and let's set it up so that when folks come they can actually donate into a fund that goes toward our work and into our fund so yeah I think we have an opportunity to do this again and maybe even bring in some other partners that would be interested in working on this with us and getting the word out and potentially doing it like at AMR cinema or in person somewhere if you know depending on this virus but yes definitely an opportunity Jennifer to do it again all right good move on public comment okay so I'm not going to read the guidelines again but if there do I have to read them again Jennifer supposed to all right let's see here okay during the public comment period I will recognize members of the public when called on please identify yourself by stating your full name prefer pronouns and residential address residents are welcome to express their views for up to three minutes at the discretion of the chair based upon the member of people who wish to speak the number of people who wish to speak no speaker can see their time to another speaker the ahra will not engage in a dialogue or comment on a matter raised during public comment if you'd like to make public comment please go ahead and raise your hand all right so it doesn't look like there's any public comment so we can just acknowledge our attendee Ella Adams is a junior journalism student at UMass who is in a class called Covering Race a course that's designed to investigate the ways that systemic oppression and racism have impacted the spaces around us over time and so has a final project that is that is looking at the work for reparations in Amherst has engaged with Matthew Andrews and our chair around these these issues I will try to also engage with her and as well as others that you know in the community that that have had a chance to to speak with her I think it's always important the work of student journalists and if she would like to to say hello to us I think that would be excellent but if not we we do thank her for interest in coverage all right you encouraged her hand is up all right Ella hi I just want to say thank you so much for having this I really really appreciate all the work that we're said today they're really helpful to give me a context of all the work that's been happening over the past year and a half and yeah thank you for the introduction Dr. Shabazz I really appreciate it and I look forward to talking to you a little bit later tonight excellent thank you Ella okay so um do we have any member reports okay great um and in terms of upcoming agenda items and meeting schedule is everybody here in agreement that we will meet again after the new year or is anyone feeling like we need to do so before then thumbs up if it's after the new year you get the two thumbs up okay how about you okay great so I'll send something out with respect to that I did jot down some agenda items that I know like revisiting the CPA revisiting updating everybody on whether we're getting an extension so I have some items here if you have any additional items just email myself and Jennifer and we'll make sure they're added and if you'd like to add one right now please do does that make our next meeting January 6th um I that would be ideal for I think if people are ready to jump back in for January 6th which is Thursday 6 30 we good for that yeah okay yes Yvonne I am traveling the week after that so if if we moved it I wouldn't be able to come so January 6th works for me works okay but we'll do every other week yeah okay perfect I'm also away that week too so that works yeah does that work for you Dr. Shabaz and Hala the six so far we'll see what you know anything can happen but all right let's go with that Jen okay and then I have no topics um that I didn't anticipate so I can move to end this meeting at 8 24 p.m and thank you everybody I'll let you all know if on the second night of Kwanzaa we're gathering if you're up to it and vexed and and that would be like the 27th I believe it's the second night of Kwanzaa we we hope to do something public and so stay tuned for more on that please please send an email I'm very interested my family will be visiting my kids from you know Aisha and everybody will be here so that'd be great yeah lovely lovely and the human rights commission has an event for the 26 scheduled and actually Dr. Shabaz I do need to check in with you about something we will do it be nice if we are all together we could maybe take a live a live photo and not these little boxes and then I got a post of it a meeting yeah I literally will have to post a meeting if everybody will have to post the meeting if we all come it's it can't be impromptu we just can't show up our lives our lives are just I will post it just in case because I have to post it for the human rights commission anyways so I will just post a generic one for you guys just in case to cover it that's crazy look at Hala like she did she's multi tasks better than anyone I've ever seen still working or something it's amazing okay it was like I got to think think oh you don't have to work tonight then it's like psych just come in for 8 30 I won't complain hopefully we can get a hopefully we can get a song out of you uh sometime Hala oh yeah all right bye everyone good night holidays and new year everyone yes see in 2022 okay happy holiday bye hi