 Boom! Welcome back to Mind Pump. In this episode we talk about why the exercises you suck at are probably the exercises you should be doing. And we also talk about the sad state of men today. Are you one of those guys? I hope not. Then in the second half of this episode we answer four questions from our Mind Pump media Instagram account. Questions like, are workouts in a sauna good, bad or just plain stupid? Also, what's the best way for a woman to get lean and muscular arms without getting too bulky? Finally, do you love Mind Pump but find that you just can't keep up with all the content we pump out? Well, we have the answer for you. It's called Mind Pump Clips. You can find it right here on YouTube at Mind Pump Clips. Easy enough. All right. Enjoy the show. Here's a trick to get fast strength and muscle gains. Pick an exercise you suck at. Practice it and get good at it. You'll get those newbie gains again like you did when you first started working out. I want to. I love this advice. This is some of my favorite advice to give because I think that I don't care how long you've been lifting for, I think everybody is guilty of gravitating towards the exercises that you love doing. I mean, we all do. I know you guys are all guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. You get in a routine. You have a few exercises you love to do. They're always in the rotation. And by the way, some of them should be, right? Like I do think there's some movements that are such high skill and such high return that they should be in your routine most of the time. But then there's another, you know, I don't know, half or more than half of exercises that we choose from that I think we still get stuck in a handful of the same ones all the time. And just simply changing the exercise up will stimulate a new response to the body that you're not used to. Yeah, immediately. Anytime anybody mentions front squat, I'm like, oh, okay, now I got a program that in for at least a month or so, because it's just one of those I just conveniently kind of push aside because it's it's really challenging. It's hard one. Super hard one. It's that and like pull ups. Like I'm always like, I find myself just conveniently avoiding it and not to including my in my like regular practice of working out. But yeah, that's more what it is. I think it's more that there's exercises that we tend to avoid because we suck at them. Yeah, they're hard. We don't do them well. Maybe we're not as strong at them. So we tend to avoid doing them because I don't want anybody to see that I'm not using as much weight or whatever. And the interesting thing is if you pick those exercises, do the one that you suck at and save yourself. Okay, for the next 60 days, my goal is to get really good at that pull ups. For example, let's say you suck at pull ups, I'm gonna get really good at pull ups, or maybe it's dips, or maybe it's push ups, or maybe it's a windmill or anything, right? I'm gonna get really good at this exercise I suck at. Yeah. And through that process, you tap into those newbie gains that you got when you first started working out where you got stronger every single workout. And it's because you probably suck at the exercise because you probably don't have the what the CNS doesn't, you know, work with it properly, don't have the right skill for it. So that that process of learning it man gives you those quick games. What are what are some of the just to name some of his right pull ups front squats? What are some what are some of yours? I know we all know like there's movements that like you hear like, I haven't done that a while. I need to do that. That's such a valuable exercise. Why haven't I done that? What are yours? He hit front squats. That's mine. Really? I used to be like you're pretty good about that. No, I don't know. No, you know, when I do them, I can get really strong at them and then I don't do them for a long ass time because I feel like when I when I because obviously we see we don't see every workout that we each do but I see most of what you guys do and I feel like you're probably the best with with doing front squats. Oh, I haven't done them in a long time. Really? Yeah. You know, I just saw it on Facebook outshows you like memories or whatever. I just saw one from 10 years ago and I did a front squat with three 15. Yeah, but that's been that long. I've seen you do front squats. No, no, no, no, I know that. So okay, front squats. What else? Let me think. What else? What else? Bulgarians? Are you pretty consistent? Yeah, no, that's a good one. That's a good one that I tend to not do much. That's on my list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bulgarians are one that I avoided forever. Then I went on a kick getting really good. Oh, you know what? Huge gains from them and then I still have to remind myself to return. You know what I don't do a lot of at all? Hang cleans or a high pull. I did them the other day and I could feel them in my traps on my upper back. I'm like, oh man, I could get really because what happens when you start with an exercise you suck at is you can't go very heavy, but then you practice it and the strength gains go up really, really quick. So I know I can get strong. Yeah, but that's that's kind of a unique one. Like when you think of like, you mean common ones? Yeah, no, or just like what we would consider say top 20 exercise. It should be in the rotation. Right, exactly. I agree. Like front squat has to be up there in the top 20 to 25, right up there. So front squat has to be there. Bulgarian, I would say has to be up there. Pull up that you said pull up, you don't do like regular pull up would be up there. Like ones that are missing from like the core, like really what are you, what do you probably neglect or have to remind yourself like, oh, I need to do more of those. Bulgarians would be mine for sure. I tend to move away from that. Front squats maybe. I would say that's I'm up there with that. They're just so hard. Yeah, well, that's the one that's one of the ones that hurt me last because I went heavy. I was feeling good. Yeah. And my core, you know, it was my like my obliques or I felt like I pulled a rib. Remember when I was telling you about that? So it was my serratus. Like that was like, oh, color work in general, I would throw that in there. I mean, mainly like crunch and like sit ups. But yeah, because I do like more rotational stuff just because I want to be intentional with that, but I do less abs specific work. I would say I'm with you on that. Sal's the best at that. I always catch you doing your ball crunches and doing your Oh, you know, windmills, I haven't done those in a while. And I remember when I first tried doing them with you guys, I couldn't do one with no weight. Remember? You guys remember that? I was like, my body's not, why doesn't it want to move like this? Do this. And you got, and Justin was really good at it. And I was like, what the hell is going on? And then I went on a kick at practicing them and doing them. And I got really good at it. My deadlifts felt really stable from it. I haven't done them in so long. That's why I got into them because I kept like hurting my QL. And it was definitely one of those things I had to like, I had to be intentional about it. So that way I built some strength, stability there. And it's always, I mean, you guys, you've been talking about the sled a lot that's got me back, back into, have you done them now? Yeah, you know, and I just, it's again, it's one of those ones I know. And just you talking about, oh, you know, it's, it's been a while since it's been in my routine. So, you know what? There's a difference though between throwing exercises in here and there. I do pretty good at like throwing stuff in. What I'm talking about is picking one of these that I throw in and being like, I'm going to do it consistently. No, and get good at it. Yes. I agree. Big difference. That's what I'm talking about too. Like, yeah, you, you intermittently throw in a Bulgarian squad in one time and then going right back to what you're doing. No, it's like, oh, I got one single leg deadlifts. That one. That's one that I have I haven't ever really said, let's see if I can get really strong at this exercise. Because I tend to go to my bilateral. Remember when I went on that kick, you know, I actually, it wasn't that long ago. I tried to even realize like, oh, shit, I need to go back to doing that. You got to a point where you were using a hundred pound dumbbells. And I was doing it from the kneeling barefoot position. Oh, are you like cleaning it up to your chest? I would snap. Remember, I have it in my Instagram. I would snap up off my knees it into a single pistol, like a single pistol position. Yeah. And then I would hinge over and deadlift the dumbbells up with a hundred pound dumbbells. And I got to a place where I could do that pretty easy. And so I do that the other day. It's all over the place. I was like, oh boy, I need this in my life. You know what? Just thinking back now, you know, I did do this with one exercise in particular. You guys remember when I went on a kick with hip thrust? Yes. And I was like, let's see. Oh, do I? Yes, I remember. It's all wink. Yeah. You guys remember the results, right? You guys are all, no wonder you're doing this. Juicy salve, dude. They were so nice to me back when I was doing that. No, I went on a kick because I was like, okay, I'm going to do. Good games after a podcast. Broke your hand on that. I'm like, I'm going to do these for a little while, see how strong I can get and then see what the carryover is. And so I did. I did hip thrusts once or twice a week for a while. I got up to like, I don't remember how much I had 600 pounds or something ridiculous. And man, I got strong and deadlifts. I could feel it in my squats. And I haven't done them in a while. So maybe I'll pick that. But it's fun. It's fun because you pick an exercise that you really don't do often. And then just make it a goal for like the next month or two. I'm going to get really strong at this lift. And I'll keep doing my other stuff, but this is the focus. Right now, you know what it is for me? Dips. Right? Yeah. Right now my goal, today I just did, what did I strap them out? 100 pounds. I did 100 pounds around my waist and I was doing doubles with dips. Because I've been doing them regularly and building my strength up. Yeah. So, but it's, yeah, it's a hack. It really is a hack. No, it's a huge hack. And for people that have been lifting for a long time, it's just a great way to break up the monotony of doing the same stuff all the time. And so it's like, you know what? It's like, I'm going to just pick an exercise that I know I suck at, that I know I'm not very good, but I know has a lot of value. And I'm just going to insert it into a routine. What I like about that too is like, I don't care if you're following a mass program or you're following somebody else's program, you can easily do this and just pull out something that's not in there that you know that you haven't done in a long time. Insert it in the muscle group or whatever and just make it a goal that you're going to progress it and get good at it. Speaking of workouts, uh, so, you know, we, all of us have been experimenting with this like, you know, maps, 15 types, type programming or methodology, right? Now we're all more advanced. So our workouts are more like 20 to 25 minutes. Sometimes it'll take me 30 minutes just cause I'll do longer rest periods, but usually what the workouts look like is like one compound lift and one or two single joint lifts or two compound lifts or something like that. And every day, right? I'm doing it every day. Today I'm like, let me just test out cause typically the intensity on this is moderate high. I'm not maxing out cause I'm doing it so frequently, right? But today I'm like, let me test out the strength. Let's see, let's see how this is working cause I can feel, I feel good. I feel like my joints are good. I'm feeling strong and I went in there and I ripped 515 off the floor like nothing. It felt smooth. I felt smooth. I pulled it up like it was, like it was nothing. I felt, I probably could go 550, 560 I think. And that's from training with this kind of short daily methodology. Oh, I think you could easily, from the way it came up, it looked like you could have easily done that. It would be interesting to see where, when was the last time you really tested your daily? I mean, that's the, I haven't gone over 500 pounds in a long time just cause I, it's, you know, at some point it's like, should I keep doing that? But you know, the young man you go still lives inside me. So, but I, I did it and I felt really good. And a cooter, somebody gave me a pat myself on the back. I didn't go heavier because it did come up fast. And in my head I was like, hmm, that's another, there is some restraint there after all right. What's up everybody? Here's the giveaway maps, 15 minutes. It's the new maps workout program includes the advanced version, which is about 20 to 25 minutes long. It's an everyday workout. You work out for a little every day, get better results than you if you work out for a lot, but not every day. No joke. The science support this. It's a great program. You can get it for free. Here's how you win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode, subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. Do all those things. If we'd like your comment, we'll notify you in the comment section that you got free access to maps, 15 minutes. Also, because this program is brand new and we're just launching it, we have three days left for this, for the launch sale. So right now you can get it for $20 off. Plus you can get two free ebooks, the power of sleep and the occlusion training guide, all included in the next three days. After that it goes up to retail and you don't get those ebooks. So if you're interested, go to maps15minutes.com and then use the code 15 special for the discount plus the free ebooks. All right. Here comes the show. You know, speaking of intensity, you just reminded me of something that I wanted to bring up on the show because it bothers me. It annoys me. You know what I don't like? Like somebody tagged me in a Jordan shallow video where Jordan was, it looked like he was coaching other coaches and he was basically coaching about intensity. And it was a great little video of him like making the point of like how just most people don't even know what failure is. Most people don't even even get close to that and he was encouraging his, you know, people to like, when you're on like a hack squad or a machine, leg press, he's like, you know, you push to that place. He's like, get to that place. How low of risk you have on a machine like that. And a client doesn't even know how to get chain of failure, blah, blah, blah. So anyways, my point in bringing that up is that what I get so annoyed about is that and it's always, it's always another trainer or coach. And I, and I always feel like what I don't feel like it's always people to listen to us for a long time and heard us communicate this, I feel like a hundred times. And it's like they're always trying to pick a fight between us and like a friend of ours. Like it's always lane. It's always shallow. It's always who's another one of our friends. It's always Eugene. It's always, it's always like one of our friends that I think are incredible communicators are unbelievably brilliant and talented at what they do. And there's certain things that we communicate differently. And we just don't exactly see a hundred percent eye to eye. And I don't necessarily think that they're right or wrong or we're right or wrong. It's just, it's, it really, it's the context that matters. That's it. I bet you pretty much the context. And it annoys me because I, you know, and I can't help it because I want to address it because it's just like, I hate when people try and drive a wedge between us and somebody who we have a lot of respect for. And it's like, listen, I get what he's saying and why he's saying it. And, you know, if I'm training, let's say you, for example, and I know this is like a fit like trainer person, like, absolutely. Do I, could I get some extra value in getting you on a leg press or a hack squat and pushing you to failure? Sure, I might get some benefit from that. And sure, I would potentially do that with you. But my client, Amir, who is an engineer who is 47 years old and is never really way trained in his life. And so with that, would I, well, how much benefit would I get out of taking them to failure? Even if I got some benefit, which he's making a point that you could get some benefit from that, I think that the risk of throwing his form off and increasing doms is not worth what I'm going to get from it. I, and especially, and you, and I know this person knows that I'm the guy who says the goal is always to do as little as possible to elicit the most of change. So what the fuck do you think I'm going to say to something like that? You know, but it's like, he makes sense and what he's saying, and I don't, I don't necessarily disagree, but I feel like everybody wants controversy and like this. And it's like, the stuff you guys want to argue and fight over is so dumb. Well, the context matters a lot, because if you put us all in the same context and you ask us the same question, you're going to get very, very similar, if not the same answers. This is what ends up happening. You ask good trainers and coaches who've worked with a lot of people a question. You make it general. You might get some differing in answers. But if you ask us a specific question, here's client A. Here's what they're doing. Here's their history. What should you do? And that's why you'll get the same answer. That's why I gave him the example like, okay, am I talking about you? Or am I talking about a mirror? Yeah. And if you give me a very, you build me an avatar and say, this client has this much experience. They have this is their goal. This is this and this. And I can give you a very specific type of protocol or argument for why I would train a specific way. But if you send me a post or a quote or so, a statement that somebody makes in a general context, especially someone who I respect and I think is really smart and you want me to talk shit so then you can screenshot it and then send it over to him or like, oh, Adam thinks you're wrong. It's like, get out of here with that, dude. Let me get baited into that. It's like, you're pulling a 30-second clip that I don't even know the whole conversation that he potentially is having with all these coaches. There's lots of studies. It's a complete different audience. So you got to put all those factors into play and it's such an individual thing to begin with. We're trying to obviously distill a lot of what we've learned into digestible form for just your average type person, but also we get after it. I think that what irks you the most is that people don't realize we still get after it and we still push intensity and we'll push the boundaries. But in terms of actual advice and coaching, when we'd coach clients, there's a lot of factors that lead up to that that we have to discuss first. Yeah, and most people don't program failure properly, bottom line. Well, and I also think that the button that they hit on. I also think that we've been doing this between the three of us long enough to know that I think we try and communicate to the majority most of the time, right? Not the minority. I actually could care less about communicating in comparison to the super advanced, genetically gifted fitness. How much coaching do they need? You know what I communicate to them? How to communicate better to their clients if they have clients? That's what I'm talking to. To the 1% of the 1%, it's an echo chamber. You guys can all talk to each other about the latest study on the newest technique that's an increased muscle growth by 0.2% versus something like, okay, that's fine, that's great, but none of that applies to 99.9%. Yeah, none of that applies if you can't even get your people to be consistent. It's like, yeah, and that's the part I think that frustrates me. It's like, you guys are trying to create arguments and division between people in the fitness space over things that don't even really matter that much. It's like, it's not even a real valid argument. It's like, you're wanting to argue over something that is really speaking to a very, very small portion of people when in reality we're all, and ideally, especially someone who I know, like Jordan and the Lanes, like we're all trying to help people. I mean, that's the ultimate goal and educate and stuff like that. And so trying to find where somebody, oh, they say this this way and you say that they're so, who's wrong? Who's right here? It's like, well... Well, you know what happens? We end up getting in the same room and then we'll... We agree. Yeah, I know. That's why. That's so funny. Yeah, no, that's why I wanted to point that out because it happens between those people a lot because there are certain things that we just, we have different, maybe training philosophies, maybe we communicate different, maybe... That's mainly what it is. And then also, I mean, I've heard Shal talk about us before really well. It's like, he knows that we know our demographic. We know who we're trying to reach the masses. I'm not interested in helping just the elite or the coaches and the trainers that are like super consistent. Like, I want to help everybody out. Now, I believe that we can communicate a message that helps both really advance people because I'd like to think that we fall in that category. I'd like to think we fall in a category of pretty advanced people. And so we share our journey, our process, the things that we've learned over all these years, in addition to trying to communicate a message that helps the majority, that helps your mom, that helps your aunt, that helps your sister-in-law, stuff like that. Speaking of trainers and coaches, how much do you guys think the top trainers in the world can charge per session? In the world? Yeah. Per session? Yeah. A thousand an hour? Yeah. So Arnold Schwarzenegger... That would be like the most, right? Who's obviously a celebrity. Somebody that doesn't count. That shit. Arnold, I know that doesn't count. So he did a fundraiser and the way he raised money for this particular fundraiser was he charged for a personal training session from him. And he got people to buy it. You guys want to guess how much he was able to charge? Oh, for fundraising, come on. You get something like $50,000 or something. Yeah. No, it's way more than that. $150,000. Yeah, I was going to say. $150,000. And he said, for $150,000, I'll take you through a workout for a full hour, you hang out. And he had a bunch of people sign up. And I don't remember who the... See, now, that's okay. That's something cool. And that is something that... So we need you to hang out with Arnold. That's really what it is. I've got messages before of like to... Oh, do you guys still coach? Or would you train me? Or oh, I would pay whatever. And I'm like, no, you wouldn't. Because I wouldn't... The amount of money I would charge you to charge an hour. I wouldn't even feel comfortable. It would be insulting to you. Yeah. It would be insulting to do that. So I wouldn't do that. But I would do that. If we were trying to drive money to like a cool charity, I would charge a ridiculous amount of money and then I would train someone for that specific... I would pay that to me to hang out with Arnold. Not now, but like if I was like a bazillionaire, I would pay 150 grand to hang out with Arnold. If you're a bazillionaire, of course. Because it's all relative. Well, it's just really like a... Like if I had the money... It's like getting a hot dog. It's small. It's like that. Yeah. If you're a bazillionaire, 150 grand is... Just buy a ride around the moon on SpaceX. You see that? Well, who did what? Yeah. So SpaceX just like got some billionaire paid for a ride to fly around the moon. What? What? Like a commercial ride like for what? It's not the same thing, bro. Oh, I can't wait. It's all on camera. Dude, you guys are so funny, dude. What? Okay, so I'm... Bro, you doubled down so hard on this. Wait a second. You're talking about a non-astronaut, a person. That's not how you sold it. That's not how you sold it. That is exactly how I sold it. No, you didn't. I said with no use. Commercial flights, the average person is going to go up there. I said, you mean billion? No, no, no. I mean, it's going to make new... Oh my God. Good thing we got to record it. Okay, so is that... Do I have to wait till somebody on welfare goes around the fucking moon before you guys... That's when it becomes like a global... Okay, so if already billionaires are able to pay for it, at what point do I... Way after... You guys are sending me robots that can't even fucking pick up a dish. It's about the same level. And spray a fucking hose all over the wall like, oh, look it. It's almost here, Adam. But it's still robots, right? I'll tell you what. No, this was the bet. The bet was that average people are going to get... Okay, so let's... So I know when I win or when I potentially lose this, what does that mean, an average person? Since a billionaire doesn't classify as an average person. So do I have to have a special income that gets to fly? Like, tell me. So I know. So here's the bet. You're going to see robots washing dishes on mass before you see people just taking trips to the moon. So what does that look like? I mean, not like one billionaire, maybe like a first class flight to Europe. Something like that. Which is expensive. First class flight, 10 grand, 15 grand. So is that fair? Okay, that's fair. Yeah, and that's where... That's the argument I'm making. I do absolutely think that that's what I would... By the way, he didn't land on the moon. He went around the moon. Yeah. There was no moon landing. He went around the moon. There's a big difference. No, that's not what I said. I was talking about what was already been said is being worked on is that they're talking about a trip that is non-stop, that goes around the moon and comes back. Okay, so you want to make it an around the moon trip? Yeah, that's... Because that's what they're building and designing. Moon viewing. They were talking about years ago when I brought it up. This is the dumbest bet I've ever had. Well, what's going to be dumb is the nuance of it when you guys are high club. Like, okay, there is no robots, not in billionaires' houses or anything, doing dishes right now. But yet, there's billionaires going around already to the moon. So who is really closer in this argument? Technically, my dishwasher washes dishes. But I know what you want. You want a robot that's like, Hi, Adam, I will wash your dirty. Puts it in. Your dishwasher does not get your dishes out of the sink and then wash the dishes. That's the dumbest thing ever. Let's spell it out. A robot that does your dishes. Okay, hold on. So that doesn't be spelled out. It's that simple. No, no, hold on. Takes the dish, that's dirty. And then puts it in the dishwasher. And then after it's clean, do they have to take it out? Well, that's going to be the problem, by the way. Yeah. Okay, so that's their hurdle right now. That's a huge hurdle for them. It's that a dumb robot cannot figure out if the dish is clean or not clean already. We have things that does this, you know, that complicated, but it's got to be smart enough to clean the dish and put it in there. The delicate ones, like you got to do the pounce pans. But here's the thing though. What are you going to have for sex robots or robots that wash your dishes? Sex robots. Yeah, that's way, I mean, everybody knows that. Porn is like the first breakthrough of everything. There's all the monies there. That's true. That's true. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to argue that for sure. 100%. Bill Gates invests $2 billion. Handjob robots. Can you watch my dishes now then? I'm not going to, we don't care about that. Tell the audience, stop sending me dumb robot stuff. People send me these dumb robot stuff all the time. That's hilarious. Yeah, they send me, they send me, it'd be like a robot with like a hose, like blasting a fucking bathroom. And they're like, oh, it's almost here. I'm like, okay, that's really cool. They've, you know, you ever see those, when you put a hose in those sprinklers, they go, yeah, we've had those for like 50 years, dude. That's about what your big ass clunky robot does right now for cleaning. That's exactly what it looks like. We'll see about that. Yeah, this is all on record. When the robot uprising happens, they're going to play this at your trial. Adam's going to be in jail forever. You guys feel pretty confident about it, but there's already humans doing what I said. There's no robots doing what you guys said. We'll see about that. Speaking of trips, I went to LA yesterday, had a great trip. I got to tell you guys something about that trip. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before I, the thing that I've been dying to ask you, and I waited to ask you until you're live on air, because I want to hear you say it. Okay. You got to meet Michael Hearn. Yes. Okay. And you said something over text that I want to hear you explain yourself, because and I've never met Mike in person, right? But you said you 100% believe he's natural. I do. Now, after meeting him. I do. Wow. I do. Come on. So I've heard him. Spill the beans. I've heard him talk. A statement. I've heard him talk. I've heard him say how he's natural. Listen to that. I also know enough now where I've met professional athletes. I've met people in this category of people where, by the way, when you meet someone that's seven foot tall, which is rare, nobody says they take steroids or whatever because we don't have drugs that can do that. And yet here we have people that are so tall that it's, you never see them in real life. You never see someone that's seven foot tall in real life unless you go to NBA game, right? That's how rare some, some genetics are when it comes to muscle building athletic performance. And I've met some professional athletes where you look at them, steroids or not, and you just realize that there's a completely different class of humans. So that's, that's, I'm going to paint the context. Now, when I met Mike, he's definitely a muscular guy. But when you meet him in person, he doesn't have that, that, that look where you like. Oh my God. That doesn't look real. What he looks like is a very built, super genetically gifted individual. He's a tall guy. He's definitely muscular. And when you see him on, on Instagram and pictures, he's ripped and he's posing and he's pumped. And that makes you look so much bigger. But if he stood next to a roided out pro bodybuilder, you would clearly see the difference. Now I'm not saying he doesn't look impressive. He looks very impressive, but I believe him. I also hung out with him a little bit. And Mike is, he's a very authentic individual. I know he has a character that he plays and when he communicates, he's an actor and all that stuff. But when I met him, I met his wife, I met his staff. Super nice down to earth, real authentic people. So I have no reason to believe. And I also don't give a shit to be honest with you. No, I know you do. That's why I was so curious about this conversation because I actually, I believe your opinion more than I believe all the trolls on the internet. Because something that you said that is so true. It is amazing what a pump, lighting, oil, lean a shit can make you look like for a picture. Versus how your body, what you look like when you just walk around. And he's also, he was an animal when he was 16, 17. That's the other thing that makes it believable because he was, he was already a freak at 16 years old. Yeah. So the fact that he looked already like, unless he's been doing steroids since he was 12, he potentially could have that 1% of 1% type of genetics that just responds so well. He's got incredible genetics and then his work ethic and consistency is insane. This guy's been working out consistently since he was a kid and I don't know how old is he now in his 50s. He's been doing it nonstop since then. Super consistent with his diet, super consistent with his training. So I don't- Do you have any duck eggs? I have no, huh? Do you have any duck eggs? No, I didn't. No, no duck eggs. No, no duck eggs. You know how nicely they are, though? That's his thing. That's his eats, duck eggs? Yeah, yeah, that's like that. Super, super rich yolks. You ever ate a duck egg? I mean, what's the one that's like kind of black and it's like a little bit rotten? It's like a delicacy. Oh, is that when they- They got hazed with one of those things. No, you didn't. Yeah, dude. That's when they let it develop a little bit. Yeah, and it's like a little bit grown. Like a little bird? Yeah, the bird, like the chicken. Isn't that illegal bird? No, it's like a Filipino, isn't that a Filipino dish? I know the Vietnamese. Vietnamese, that's a disgusting. It's like a partially formed- The Chinese ones, too, called century eggs. Yeah. Sometimes it's called thousand-year-old eggs. Smells. Black. Are you a- You know, did you have to eat it? Yeah, well, yeah, I yacked it up. I didn't eat like half of it. Well, anyway, so I go to his house. Super, super nice guy, super nice staff. His wife is, by the way, hilarious. She's no filter, very real, great people. And had a great conversation with him, hung out a little bit afterwards. This is how nice they are. It's how great they are, right? So after we're done, and it's business, right? So I'm here to do the podcast or whatever. After we're done, I'm like, hey, is there anywhere to eat that's kind of healthy, close by? Because I got to get on another podcast or whatever. And his wife's like, oh, we got- I can make you some turkey and some rice and some vegetables if you want. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't have to do that. No, no, let me make it for him. Like, no, I had kind of convinced them that, no, I got to take off. Like, what nice people to invite, you know, to invite me to kind of have a home-cooked meal type of deal. So cool, so you really liked them, then? Really liked them, really liked them all. Yeah, super down to earth. And then I met with Louis Howells. I was on his show. His show's exploded since we had him on our show, which was how long ago was it that we had him on? It was like four or five years ago? Yeah, years ago. It's been a long time, right? Was it before here? No, I don't think so. We were here, right? We were probably about four years ago. Probably about four years ago. Yeah, so we- He's got a full production team and everything and him and I talked a lot about you know, media and where it's going. He's got a full on media company, so- So when we went last time, we went and we recorded out of his apartment in LA. No, he's got like a studio now. Yeah, full on studio and a staff. Different sets or just one set? What's it look like? All I saw was there was like one area that looked like an office where he had his editor and producer. And then there was a room you walked into that was where they recorded. So it was like a set that was set up. And it was in a building in LA. So I think this building is like office space. I mean, we've done lots of these on the level of impressiveness to you as far as like the studio itself and everything. Like is it one of the best ones you've seen? Well, Tom Billu's got like a huge movie set up. Well, Billu has his in a multi-million dollar mansion. Yeah, so his is the most like impressive. But you know, Lewis has got such good quality. Like if you watch his videos and stuff on YouTube, it's so professionally done. I actually talked to his producer about it because they use lavaliers. So they don't use mics, right? They use lavaliers. Like, wow, you guys do this all on lavaliers. And he goes, yeah, we want it to look like a show show. And his producer, I think it's his producer, one of his editors goes, it's a lot of editing. It's a lot of work to make the sound the way that it does. Would the sound be it'd be harder to make the sound good on lavaliers than? Oh, absolutely. Oh, really? The mic quality here is much better. Yeah. So I was listening to one of Lewis's interviews a while back and what has to happen to because of the cross talk that comes from picking up the other person's voice on your mic that I bet they have to cut every time that the guy's not speaking, just so that that audio comes off the track. I mean, the guy told us that he did. There's a lot of editing. Yeah, I can tell that they did a lot of editing. He's got a full on media company. And they're doing video, audio, written content they're working on. And his goal is similar ours, except he's more in the inspiration, motivation, kind of life style type of stuff, whereas we're more fitness. Did you guys watch that Alex R. Mosey clip that I sent you? No. Oh, that was with Lewis, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no. No, it wasn't that one. Not the one. That was the single clip where he's talked about. Oh, yeah, I saw the other one. Yeah. Oil and energy in the past and now where we're at, you guys are fucking terrible sometimes. Why don't you tell us? Well, if I send you a clip, I rarely ever send clips like watch, and I say watch this. Like it's just, it was a really powerful video. I'll have Andrew share the clip for the audience, because I tell you what, that guy's putting out so much. So much. Is that where you said he's going to be? No, no, no. One of the top dudes? No. Oh, yeah, that's where I said that. That's the one, right? Yeah, just because the, that is just because I think he's putting out such incredible. He's a, he's very, very effective communicator. Oh my God, he's a good communicator. Yeah, that's, that's. Really, really, really good communicator. What was the gist of it? What was he saying? He was talking about, and the reason why I'm bringing this up, because you're talking about media and him having media companies is that we, we have shifted on like the, the most powerful companies, right? He's talked about back, you know, say 30, 40 years ago, you know, it was power, you know, so you have your, your gas, your electricity, so your PG&E's, your Exxons. Like these were the, the hottest companies, the most powerful companies in the world. And we've now shifted that over to Facebook, Google, you know, these companies that, you know, all that have your attention. He goes, the new commodity is, is attention. And so that has become so unbelievably powerful and valuable that if that is just your main focus, and he did this whole like little pyramid thing, and you'll see on the video, or talking about like, if you can get a couple of these pieces, you're going to have a successful company. And one of those is just that ability to garner that amount of attention. And so people are always so focused on, oh, a product, and my, my invention, or what are we going to sell, and how much we're going to price it at, how are we going to convert? And like, it's like, dude, if you just do a good job of getting, getting, yeah, getting attention, getting an audience. Well, I mean, Kim Kardashian, doesn't she have the number one makeup company? That's right. Well, he uses examples like that. And like he beat, she beat L'Oreal and Maybelline, these companies have been around for a hundred years. Yes. And he, and he talks about Mr. Beast, you know, he claims that, you know, he'll be a hundred billionaire in our lifetime. Like that guy is getting, is getting so much attention. And once he, and what he, he's just now starting to venture out into chocolate burgers. Like it's, it's unlimited to what he can potentially do now because he is garnering that much attention. It's just insane. And there's, by the way, and in that video, he talked about the restaurant. I think you've talked about on the show the other day, it was 12,000 people showed up to a launch of a restaurant. It's insane. That's crazy. In person. 12,000, bro. You know what 12,000 people looks like? That's like the shark arena. Yeah. Yeah. Or arena. Just all standing and waiting. Could you imagine like launching a, a launching a restaurant and then having that? That's how it, you'd be like, I mean, the best restaurant of all time. Like just instantly, instantly. All products are going to have to be content producers in the future or attached to content producers. That's it. That's just how it's going to be from now on. Oh yeah. Because it's about the content, because advertising has changed. It's changed quite a bit. It's not like you just, I was watching regular TV because that one, when I went down to LA, obviously I stayed in the hotel room and you know, what you have there is regular TV. And it's no wonder they're dying. You're a watch, have you, when's the last time you watched regular TV? Every five seconds, there's 15 commercials. So just talk to him about that because he's been on like your Ellen's, your doctor, Oz's, maybe, but I've seen him on a few of those like mainstream TV shows. Well, I mean, he's trying to go full on, become a media company himself, be that content producer. Because once you do that, like you said, Adam. Tenless. Yeah, then the sky's the limit. You know, something else happened while I was going down there that was just infuriating. And I made some comments on the plane that got people uncomfortable, I'm sure. What? I'm sitting, so I'm sitting probably seven rows back from the front. So I'm like seven rows back and I sit down and I put my headphones on and I'm chilling around. Anyways, young lady walks in and she's petite and she's trying to put her luggage in the overhead compartment, right? And she's literally, first off, she's surrounded by men. There's at least six men sitting around her. And she's trying to put it in and she's struggling and pushing and this poor girl can't get it in. And I'm looking at these guys who are like five rows in front of me and they're all just like, and this poor girl's like, she puts it down. Finally, I stand up and I go over and I was like, six guys around here can't help you. How embarrassing, I stuff it in. All the guys were like, I can tell I made them uncomfortable. What the hell's going on with men? What a bunch of lazy pussies. I lost it, man. You see a young lady need some help? Stand up and fucking help her. What the hell's wrong with you guys, man? It made me so mad. She'll worry his dad, dude. It's so bad. You ever see that? Somebody's trying to open a door and they need help and people are just standing around like, ooh, that noise of shit. That's how it, it's weird how it is like that right now. It's really, really annoying. Anyway, I want to hear about your meatballs, Adam, because I heard you have amazing. I was going to transition during Justin's egg, poisonous egg or whatever, or his dying birthday. That'll be a terrible butcher box commercial. Yeah, don't attach those together. Yeah, that was hazing. So, Adam's a meat the balls. So butcher box has, first time I've had, tried this, Katrina tried it or ordered it. She goes, hey, I want to do this meatballs for dinner. Oh, meatballs. We never do meatballs. She's like, yeah, no, butcher box has it. And I'm like, okay, whatever. Put like, I think 13 minutes and nothing done. Like they're already like seasoned up and everything. Oh, okay. Straight in the air fryer, 13 minutes. Bomb. Absolutely bomb. Are you guys not done the meatballs? Haven't done the meatballs yet. I don't know how to get the meatballs. I can't wait to like try it. So now that I got them. Did you do anything on them? Nothing. Just meatball. Just straight. By themselves, they were fire. Are they like big? Yeah, they're like. Just don't like big ones. Yeah, I like them big. Yeah, no, they're big. Now, I know Courtney does like a big meatball spaghetti recipe. Yes. I've had it before. So now I can't wait to go and try it in like spaghetti or try it in like, you know. What did you point at me? All your approval. Italian representation here. I represent you. It was really good. You know, I'm like the one out of all of us who probably doesn't rotate his butcher box, you know, box that often and I actually was telling her the last time we were talking like, you know, I really need to go through all their stuff because it's terrible. I don't have any good butcher box commercials. So that was really the intent was to do it. So I had something to talk about. And it was that good. And it was hella good. Yeah, you know, yeah. I'm pumped. Oh, that's exciting. I want to do that. So if you ever want to get like be a little hedonistic with your food, get meatballs like that. Right. Put some sauce on them. I can bring you guys some tomato sauce if you want and get some nice French bread, put sauce, meatballs and a nice sandwich. Oh, how bad do you not want to go? I want to go to our boys' restaurant after meeting Mike and I will him. I know I do want to try that. Which one? The Meatball Shop in New York. Yeah, the Meatball Shop in New York. Oh, well that's literally dedicated meatballs. We've been making an excuse to go out there anyways. We've been talking about going that way for a long time. Why all the way over there for some meatballs? Hey, why not? That sounds like a damn good idea. I mean, the restaurant blew up. I mean, he crushed it. Aren't they giving away free turkeys too? Because it's close to Thanksgiving? Yeah, they're giving away a free turkey in every box for first-time orders. Can I tell you something? A free 10 to 14-pound turkey. Oh, that'll be as supplies last. Right? That's not that one. They didn't mention that, but I suppose that's true. Let me look at the main dog. I tell you what, when it comes to turkey. Because turkeys almost always sell out. Isn't that they almost always sell out for Thanksgiving? Yeah, it's like you got to buy them like earlier every year. It seems like. I'll tell you what though, ever since eating a deep-fried turkey, I don't like turkey anyway. It's tough to go back, right? I can't eat turkey anyway. I mean, the smoked turkeys, I think, are, you know, that's a good move too. It's not bad, but a nice deep- didn't you deep-fry one once? Yeah, yeah, I deep-fried for us. That's the best, man. Our Katrina's family, they want one of each. That's what we do. So I deep-fry, and then her brother normally cooks in the oven. So we normally. I'm scared to deep-fry. All those stupid videos of people sitting everything on fire. Those are idiots. I'm an idiot sometimes. Well, yeah, I know. So you get people that, like, are good at what they do to help. You're a brilliant idiot, bro. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah, you get help. Speaking of brilliant idiots, I've been reading about quantum mechanics lately. Oh, here we go. Bro, did you know? I'm not going to get into the weeds. Good transition. I like that. Mainly because I can't explain it, but are you guys familiar with quantum entanglement? Do you know what that means? I am not. Okay, Justin knows. I do, yeah. Quantum entanglement is when they, this is, this is, this is freaking weird, Adam. They take two particles, right? Two particles, light particles, and they create it the same time. They separate them. Split them. They separate them by vast distances, and what you do to one happens to the other one instantly. Yeah. And they're, how far apart? As far, as far as you put them. You can put one on the other end of the universe. Yeah. And what you spin one, it affects the spin of the other one instantly. So this has been a weird observation in quantum physics for a long time. And they just did more studies to confirm that this legit, yes, this is legit, it's happening, and we don't know what the hell's going on. So it poses two questions. Either the particles are communicating with each other infinitely fast, or space is a complete illusion. Yeah. There is no space. Everything's touching. Yeah. We're touching right now. We're touching. It makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. We're all just touching. How weird is that? It's just so weird. I can't even, this is something we need to just smoke a joint and talk about. No, I was reading about this trip, and you guys know MRI machines use quantum mechanics? You guys know that? No, I didn't know that. Yes, MRI machines change the particle, they affect the way that your particles rotate, I think, in a particular way, and then it uses it to create an image. Now, do they spin in the same direction or do they spin in opposites? Opposite direction. So this might be a dumb question, but what constitutes quantum physics? What constitutes us? They're very, very small. Like so you just said that there's quantum physics used in the MRI machine, so what constitutes that? When you're dealing with the very, very, very, very small, that's when the normal physics, which would be called Newtonian physics, right? So the physics we know of, like... Like magnified by some whatever... Yeah, so like an object in motion will continue in motion, less acted upon by whatever. So the physics we experience every day, like I push this microphone, I lift the ball, I throw a ball, whatever. When you go down to the very small, forget it all. It's all weird shit at that point. In fact, they're also now... Is that because things that small is almost weightless? No, it's as if... Okay, he's gonna get real weird now. Ready? Okay, that's right. I know you're so... Please can we pass a joint right now? These are different physics. It gets even weirder, okay? So there's a famous experiment called the Double Slit Experiment, which I think I've explained to you before. I think I've heard you talk about it before. Okay. We've tried to explain this. Yeah, well, they... Maybe we'll put up a little video, Andrew. I could send you that. It kind of breaks it down. But they've also now proven that nothing is basically real. In other words, nothing is where it's at. It's the observer. Unless it's observed. Otherwise, it's everywhere at the same time. So I know I just confuse a shadow you. So it's like the... But it's all confusing. Isn't that like the old tree thing? If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, then it doesn't happen. Right. And quantum mechanics would say there is no tree or it's a potential of things. That's really weird shit, man. That is weird. I know. That fitness guy is explaining quantum mechanics. Yeah, I trip out on that kind of stuff. It's like almost... If you could create a visual of what you perceive in terms of what's right in front of you. And so it's like a limited amount of what you perceive. And you see a bunch of people with just that limited of what you perceive and everything else in between is just darkness. Well, it's... Particles act. It's like a potential. They call it a... It's always in potential until it's observed and then it acts in a specific way. Yeah. Otherwise it's almost... It almost gives you energy and... I don't know. I don't know. Like it's some kind of chance for there. But you know what it makes me think of? It makes me feel like we're in a big video game. Like a big cosmic video game. That is how video games work. It is. Because the video game, when you're walking through the forest... So it pixelated and then it becomes... You become aware. Shit appears. But otherwise it's just inside the video game as a potential. That's the way I look at it. Anyways, this is all going to be part of my weekend adventure then. I'm going to... What do you do? I'm going to have to trip out on that. I got nobody at the house so I got it all to myself. Where's wife going? Where's wife and kids going? They're going to Palm Desert. So you're going to be thinking about science, you liar? No, I'm going to be... I was going to be buying some music gear, dude. I'm getting all serious about it again. I started writing songs again. Oh really? So yeah, I'm like... Do you write love songs? No. Okay. Yeah, they're not. I forgive you. They're not love songs. I was going to ask you to write love songs. I was talking to John Steed. John, Deloni yesterday about you and it started actually about... I don't think I told you, I told these guys that he paid for our tickets to go to the Malcolm Gladwell, Dave Ramsey, Jordan Peterson summit. Oh wow. So there's more people that I'm missing too that are great. Oh bro, Deloni's such a great guy. I'd say $20,000 ticket. What? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we're going as he's gassed. Holy, slowly. And then one of the things he's trying to do right now is he really... He's like so blown away by maps. He's been following it. And he's like so... And he's been... You guys got the package today. He's like we've been super grateful. Yeah, he gave us t-shirts. Where's mine? He's trying to get it approved for Sal to actually speak on that stage. That's so nerve-racking, right? Do you understand how... Do you understand how to speak at the same stage? This is so cool that I talk about like... It's so good for you. It might not happen. Yeah, it might not happen. I can't even say it. Just the fact that it's a possibility, somebody like Jordan Peterson, who you absolutely love, to think that we... And we've been back and forth with his team. Like again, they're communicating with us about another... And that what we might end up meeting as, you speaking on stage with him before we ever get him on the show. I just think that's... What the hell am I going to talk about? After those guys go... What are you going to talk about? What did you ever lost? Food words. Yeah, well, I mean... What do I say? Yeah, no, I mean, I have a lot to say. How do I speak? You got 30 minutes, bro. Get your ass off the sticks until you get it. It's like, hey, you're going to do a stand-up comedy show right after Dave Chappelle. You know what I mean? But any... Okay, so back to why I brought it up to Justin. So I was telling him... No way, dude. Well, no, he was bringing... He was bringing up like us going up there. And I said, no, I said... I said, Sal's the one who goes and speaks for us. I said, I used to do it with him. I'm trying to remove myself. I go around, shake hands, kiss babies, and talk business to people. Shake babies and kiss hands? Yeah, that's right. And then I said, Sal goes up and talks. Is that right? He goes, well, maybe you can come and you can do like push-ups on the side and Justin can play his guitar on the stage. I was like, don't you dare tell Justin that. I said, because if anything breaks up mind pump, it'll be Justin's desire to go back and create a band again. That has nothing to do with breaking it. It's enhancing, right? No. I'm like... It would distract you. Bro, we're going to be doing more live events. You say that, and then all of a sudden you get a bunch of people that love it, then you're like, oh, fuck mind pump. You know what? Whatever, dude. My own band. Some people might love it. There's a reason why all business inquiries go through Adam. Because he filters out. All the people interested in signing you on a record. It's not going to happen. Adam's like, no, he's not interested. Later. Later. Yeah. We're trying to keep you. It's really just for the fun of it. Until the right offer comes in. And I'm like, sure, I'll manage you. We'll be as best as we can. Exactly. Yeah, you'll be my manager. We get 25%. It'll all be beneficial. Yeah, but yeah, I mean between that and I'm also like preparing for this big shindig we're throwing for Halloween. Which most people are going to. All the kids you share this on the podcast. How deep are you into this now? How much money you spend so far? I see you buying all kinds of shit right now. A couple grand, a couple. Yeah. That's a good amount of money. Not like in the crazy crazy. Yeah, like I haven't hit the 10 mark. It's too bad. I want to, it's too bad. We're so close to Jessica giving like birth. I'm a little worried of going anywhere far around that time. You know what I mean? Yeah. I might get weird if it was there. Yeah. Kind of cool. It might be cool though. Or it would ruin your party. Yeah. Hey everybody, we're having a baby in the bathtub. No, it'd be awesome. Are you guys, are you doing DJ or doing a bar? What's the set up for that? I have two DJs. Two? Two. I know it's kind of excessive. But yeah, one for outside and then one inside is just pure karaoke. So you know that was just for my own self-interest. So I could just be on that all night. And I have like just more decorations and stuff. Like dude, the thing is my other house was a lot easier to decorate. This one's like where do I go from? Because the outside, there's a lot that like potentially I'm like, oh, I love this like huge scary like skeleton here. Like something crazy that you like drive up to. Yeah. It's like, I got to, you know, slow my roll and pace it out. So maybe next year I'll start like adding one big thing at a time. Yeah. Yeah. But like I'm starting to get into it. I'm like, oh, this could be fun, dude. All you need are everybody dressed up in costumes and alcohol. Did you, I didn't say, but did you say bartender or no? Oh, yeah. So no, no bartender. We're going to have plenty of drinks without like a keg and like drinks already lined up. Oh, you better contact Zbiotics because we always run out real fast, Justin. I get a whole bunch. I would love that. Yeah. So I'm going to watch Zbiotics. Send us some please for the party. I was about to order like a case because it's like, I did that last time and I threw a party and it was they're gone. Like completely gone. They even went into the pantry and like found all my personal stash of Zbiotics and like took one. I do the 100 packs now just and then just slowly chip away at that. Yeah. It's like over the over the course of a year, especially with Katrina's family, Katrina's family has enough parties and drinks enough that we go through 100 packs in a year. Don't you guys feel like Zbiotics would crush it if they worked with bars and just sold them in bars? I've said that since they were. I don't know why they're not. I've never asked them why they haven't been able to work that out because it's like, I feel like once you use it, that's it. You never want to drink. I don't know anything. Well, you know, you've been in the bar industry. What's it like to get like, like let's say somebody wants to get a new alcohol drink. Is it hard to break? Yes, it's hard to break through barriers, right? Yeah, because they also have deals with other providers and it's in conflict a lot. Like they have like certain contracts and things because we, every now and then we get like Baileys would come in and then they'd have some like special shot that they'd want us to promote and nobody really liked it. And so we ended up just drinking all of it as bartenders because just to get rid of it, or send it as like, you know, like a free drink. Is it still a thing? So I remember in my 20s that you would go to a club down here and there's all, there would almost always be like two or three girls dressed in like bikinis or something like that. And they'd be like, you know, passing out Saurak or they would be doing like a, you know, Budweiser's new promoting some. Yeah. And they would be promoting it in the bar, but it would be like its own little thing standalone. Does that happen still? And how does that work out? Do you know if that's like a deal that they make? Well, now they're in sweats. And no, shut up. Justin hasn't been to a bar as long as we have. Yeah, no. Yeah, that still happens. Like they'll still have cocktail waitresses and things like the promoting. I'm trying to get you to get some for your part. No, these were always like, these were like girls that didn't work for the bar. Yeah. They represent the company. Yeah. So how does that deal? What I'm asking is like, how does that work out? Like does the bar make money or kick back off it? Or does like Saurak pay a bar and go like, hey, we're going to give you 10 grand. Promotional, yeah, they pay for promotional opportunities like that to come in the bar. Okay. So that's what the reason why I'm asking is I think that would be the move is Zbiotic would come in and say, hey, I'm going to pay, we're going to pay you 10, 20 grand. Let us set up a little thing and then sell the little Zbiotics inside there. And maybe that's just a, I don't know where their budget is. You know, they're kind of old school, but effective. You know, that's like foot traffic kind of stuff. Because I really feel that's going to be the best way to move it is people just need to try it. You have to. Once you try it, that's it. You're done deal. I got to read you guys a comment that we got on one of our YouTube videos that was so good. I want to, I want to pull it. I want to bring it up. What show? So it was the episode where we talked about, what was the title of that episode, Doug? It was like, why, how fat phobia and other myths are keeping you fat, sick and unhealthy. That's it. And it was one of those that I thought we all thought might be a little controversial. I know Doug's butt was puckered the whole time while we're doing the podcast because we're going off on the, on how politics is infiltrated fitness. By the way, I just posted in our story, which is going to be gone by the time this airs, but there's this girl who made this tick talk talking about how flat stomachs, the reason why flat stomachs are popular is because of sexism, racism and Christianity, apparently. I mean, it's getting crazy. It's getting so wild to me. I can't believe what's going on. So anyway, that whole episode was about some of the ridiculous lies and myths you're being told and how a lot of it's propaganda and it's keeping you fat, sick and unhealthy. But anyway, we talked about how there was a myth around how working out in gyms is for privileged people and we talked about how no, that's not the case at all and how we've all had like homeless people sign up, pay 20 bucks a month, be able to use the gyms. And we've even given free memberships to people because they want to work out so bad that they said, Hey, I'll take out your trash. I'll do whatever. And we've all done that, right? Check out this, this, this comment. This guy says, man, I got choked up when you guys mentioned homeless people using gyms to shower. I was homeless at 18 for a while and I use the gym too. The manager caught on because I had my duffel bag with all my clothes in it. He would give me protein shakes and bars, which was more than I could ever ask for forever grateful. Amazing how a kindness can change a life and it came from a gym. Just highlights the gym culture that- So cool. This is why I get so mad. That needs to get proper. Why I get so mad with this bullshit propaganda that tries to demonize one of the best cultures that exists in the world when it comes to inclusivity, acceptance, empowerment, just positivity. It's a gym culture. Noting pot of positivity. It's one of the best cultures in the world. So I just, I want to read that because it was so, so touching. Yeah. That's great. Hey, real quick, go check out this company, LMNT. 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Most women are not going to build arms that get huge and muscular. It just doesn't happen. What happens is women tend to store more body fat in their arms than men do, especially in the back of their arms. So anytime I've gotten a female client was like, no, you don't understand. I get really bulky arms. What it was is that their body fat percentage was a little too high. And when we got them leaner, they were very happy with the way that the muscles of the arms look. Well, thank you for mansplaining that for us. You know, you're going to leave me on this island. Oh, that's it. Next question. No, no, you're right. Here's the deal. When I would get clients like this, the most challenging part was just to get them comfortable with the fact that you actually may see the circumference in your arms go up and you don't want that. By the way, this is where the lean tone, you know, marketing. Long muscle. Yeah, long muscle. These marketing gimmicks came from because if you told a woman that she's going to build her arms when she's like, no, I don't want to build them. I want them to be firm. And well, that's what you have to do. If you want tight, firm, lean tone arms, you've got to build muscle and build. If you first focus on building muscle before you do what you're saying, Sal, which is get really lean, then the inevitable is going to happen. The circumference of the arms are probably going to get bigger. And but that's okay because if we build muscle on your arms or anywhere on your body, you're going to speed your metabolism up, which is going to help you lose body fat and get leaner. So I would have to just get my female clients that wanted to obtain this look that, hey, listen, just you got to trust the process with me that right now we're going to we're going to increase calories. We're going to build muscle. You might feel your pants fill out a little bit. You might feel your arms fill out in your shirts a little bit, but trust the process. If that happens, then I know you're building muscle because we're eating good and I have you a little bit in a surplus, but we're going to speed this metabolism up. And then when I cut you down and we lean out, those arms are going to get sculpted just like you want and they're going to look like that. But you got to trust the process. Lean type, sharp, defined muscle. Okay. Like it's just different words. Like that's all, yeah, all it is is a complete marketing thing with that. But it's just the same process applies. And it seems like it's different because yes, a little bit different chemistry, but in terms of the actual training and the methods and, you know, using nutrition, being in a deficit where we can reduce body fat, like all that applies. Yeah. I mean, I mean, look, again, nine out of 10 times women who think their arms are too big, it's just their body fat percentage is a little too high. It's very, very rare. Well, find a woman that builds actually big, massive. Here's what's tough. Here's what's tough though is their body fat percentage is high and their calorie intake is low. And so it puts a trainer, a coach in this weird, I mean, Katrina is literally helping a good girlfriend of hers. And I won't put her name out there or put her on blast because I think she listens. But she's been helping her out and she was eating 900 calories. And she's like, I want, and she's like, I just want, and this is actually similar. She's like, I want to define, I want to define arms and maybe lose 10 or 15 pounds. But she's got, she's eating 900 calories. And she does the typical cardio, circuit class to lose weight with that. And so, and then she basically, you know, stars herself to lose that 10 to 15. And then it always comes back or more building in that. Right. So Katrina's had her, Katrina's been helping her for the last seven weeks now. And she's like, you just kind of trust me. Just listen to what, just give me, give me literally a couple of months of teaching you what to do and trust the process. And, and she said it's been this grueling process because, you know, of course, she's increased her calories. So she's not seeing like her weight go down, her weight has stayed exactly the same, but she's changing. And her, she's looking at, and she's up to 2400 calories. That's phenomenal. From somebody who was eating 900 calories, she's eating 2400 calories. And she's probably built muscle and lost body fat. Oh, she absolutely had to. Because her, her scale hasn't changed. So her, her body is changing. And, and Katrina's trying to remind her like, listen, we're, we're still, we still want to keep going this direction, but she totally could at this place cut her 5600 calories just to show her. And that would show more definition of arms, lean her stomach out a little bit, drop a little bit of weight on the scale. But you just have to trust that process. You have to trust the process of getting to this place. But it's hard when you're in that predicament, when you're in this, I'm only eating a thousand calories a day or whatever like that. And I want to lose weight. And I also want my arms to be muscular and defined. It's like, you want your cake and eat it too. And the reality is we needed to go through this building process first and then we'll sculpt. I'll tell you why. I'll list the body parts that, and I'm talking about the general average person or even more so, like 90, 99% of everybody. The, the body parts that tend to develop fastest in women, where they can actually build muscle to the point where I've had a few clients where we had to scale back because they were developing too much muscle in a particular area. And this calves, calves. Number one, my wife is one of these people. My wife has her calves. I will never get calves as muscular as my wife's. Okay. Cavs, number one. Second would be legs. And it's usually quads. Sometimes women can develop really big quads. Still not super common, but it's, it's traps before it traps is pretty rare. It's rare, but it has happened. It sticks out because they don't want big traps at all. But it goes calves, legs, usually quads. Then it goes maybe, maybe shoulders. And everything else is really slow developing. So what you end up with is kind of the sculpt muscular looking because you're lean physique, not big. You don't get big arms. It's so rare. So what does this mean in terms of training? Train to build. Train to build your arms. And then when you're, you're at a point where your calories are, where you can go down in calories and you're not going to go down too low, but you can cut, then you start to cut. You get lean and then you'll get the look that you're looking for. What you don't want to do is avoid training your arms because you're afraid they're going to get too big. And what you're doing is you're, you're, you're missing out on that metabolism boosting potential. And if you get lean without building some muscle in your arms, which is again, it's minor, but without building some, you don't get that same quote unquote tone sculpt look, right? So I would not avoid training your arms for fear that they're going to get too big. You just got to trust the process. Listen, if you're, if you're in a reverse diet, your calories are increased, which more, more than likely your carbs are up, which means you're going to hold a little bit of water, which means you potentially could see some weight go up on the scale, which means your arms could feel, look and feel fuller than what they were before you were doing all these things. But that is all part of the process. You've got to build the muscle first, you know, you're going to build that metabolism first, and then we get to a place where we, we carve and we, and we chip away. But you've got to trust that process. You got to, and it's a, it's a, a mental hurdle that you have to get over. A hundred percent. And if you don't do it, then you're going to be forever stuck in this trap of every time you start to build a little bit of muscle, you freak out because your arms go up a quarter of an inch. So you're eating 900 calories a day. Yeah. Then you go right back and you're in the same trap. You got, you have to get, you have to get past this. Next question is from MPF Academy. What are your thoughts about workouts in Asana? I see a lot of these places opening up. That's a thing. Yeah. Are you starting to see, have you seen these yet? Stupid. I've seen Saunas yet that were built so you could have weights in there and like do workouts and stuff. Yeah. Okay. So, so, so stupid. Let's start with, uh, why it's, why they're popping up and why they're popular because it's hard. Yeah. So it is a, by the way, this is a very big room yoga. This is a very easy way. Now there are some benefits and I'll get to that in just a second. So I would disagree with that. Well, not that one. No, no, no. There are benefits but it's not. Yeah. But that's why it's getting popular is because, you know, the Rhonda Patrick's and people out there that are talking about the benefits of Asana and so you get what this people wants to combine. Yes, let's put it together. It's like, oh, Asana has lots of benefits. We know weight training does. Let's put them together. Get ultimate benefits. Actually, I disagree and here's why. Creatine and coffee. I don't think they're getting, I don't think they're getting popular with the average person because of Rhonda Patrick. I think Rhonda Patrick speaks to Asana's benefits. I think that people are really into fitness, understand the benefits of Asana. So they use Asana as the way that you're supposed to use them. I think they become popular because in easy way, you guys know this. If we wanted to create a fad, a new fitness fad, what we do is we take something old, we add something to it and make it harder. That's all. So I think, I think. Take exercise, add heat. Just the last decade, just this last, listen. How much you want to bend? Sunlight, Asana's, Clearlight, you have, these companies didn't even exist a decade ago. Like Infrared, Asana's are huge right now. You're right. So there's more commercial appeal. There's more awareness. Yes, exactly. So that's why. But why is it popular to work out in them? It's hard. Look, I'm going to say this right now and it's on record. What's going to happen at some point is you're going to have super cold rooms that you work out in. Mark my words. Mark my words. They're going to go in the opposite direction. At some point, you're going to go into a room that's refrigerated and it's freezing and you're going to do a workout in there. You can just work out outside in the elements at that point, right? So it's just, it's hard. Now, what are the benefits? Well, here's the benefit. Is it muscle building? Is it fat burning? Is it all? No, it's none of those things. The benefit is it'll increase or improve your heat tolerance. So what happens when you train in heat is you get better at tolerating training in heat. Is there value to this? Well, yeah, there's some value. If you work outside, if you're a roofer in the summer, if you're a wrestler or you train in Judo in Jiu Jitsu where you wear a big ass gi and you got to fight someone. Like then there's some potential benefit. Listen, strength training is so difficult on its own. There's no reason to try and make it more difficult. I'm serious. It is already difficult enough and comes with so many great benefits being able to train at high intensity level. There's no reason to add anything to it to make it more. There's no reason to put a mask on and breathe through a straw. Exactly where I was going that. There's no reason, there's no reason to get an asana or have some punch your abs. Yeah, or punch your abs while you're doing sit-ups. There's no reason to do any of that bullshit. It's already got enough benefits to it. I think it is just we got this hot thing right now like saunas are popular and there is lots of benefits to it and we're trying to combine things. Now what you'll notice when you train in a sauna is your range of motion and your flexibility improve. So this is where I could see stretching in a sauna some potential benefits. Well, that's like Bikram Yoga. Yeah. And I'm more pro that than I would be strength training in it. But you know what the real benefit is with Bikram Yoga and stuff like that is that when you're in extreme heat it makes you as present as possible. You're not thinking about anything else but how hard this is and I'm here and I'm going through it. I've never been more present than a 405 on my back doing a barbell back squat rope. Oh yeah, try a 405 in a sauna. You know what? Yes, good point. I wouldn't be able to do that. It would be so hot and tolerable. I'd have to drop down to 350. Guys, you just get one of those stem machines and just put it right, you know. That's the new thing right now. You see that right now, right? That's the new popular wave right now is the hooking everybody up to e-stem machines while they do barbell back squats. Yeah, you've seen the new suits that they're trying to promote with that too. Like it's going to maximize your workout because like you're getting basically shocked as you're doing these exercises. So, you know, there's always going to be something out there like to your point of just making it ridiculously harder. Like it's going to have some appeal. The last time over the last, I don't know, there's only been a couple times over the last 20 years where I've actually been like, wow, this is really wild. One was at the occlusion training. Occlusion training is weird and it actually does some stuff. So, occlusion training is kind of weird and interesting. And the other one was that one study where they had people wear those cold gloves. And then went maxed out. The recovery rate was insane. They went maxed out on so many reps and immediately the performance. That one still fascinates me. Those two things are really weird, but this kind of stuff, this is just fad stuff. Next question is from Amber Dawn Gomez12. What are your thoughts on the women's cycle training? Yeah, okay, so this is when there's workouts and stuff being created around this where they'll say, oh, when you're ovulating or your luteal phase, you train this way, ovulation, you train this way. You know, this is how you train during these hormone cycles because women have a roughly, what is it, 28 day or 30 day cycle of hormones. Now, are they trying to map their body stress through this process? Is that like sort of the angle they're playing with that? It's like you're supposedly stronger and have more energy when you're ovulating, for example. And at these times, you're going to be more tired and more stiff. And so you change the workouts accordingly. Now, here's, I get it. If it helps you work for your arm. Well, I get it. I get the theory. But I'm sure there's individual variances with how everybody responds to this. That's why it doesn't matter because you can be ovulating and your workout could be like, here's why I don't like this. I'll tell you why. Because a woman's going to buy a program that says, during this phase of your cycle, you should be trained this way. And maybe she had bad sleep last night or she's going to fight with her boyfriend or she had a bad, you know, she ate poorly the day before. She's going to ignore the signs of her body because of this stupid workout that says, this is when you train really hard. And they're like, oh, it's based on my cycle. Therefore, the reality is none of it matters. How do you feel right now? Do you feel good? Do you have energy? Who cares where you are in your cycle? That should, that overrides anything else. That's what determines your intensity, your volume, and the kind of workout you do. That is more important than anything else. This reminds me of just, you know, how much we want to simplify everything. We just want that so bad. You know, like just like the blood type diet. Like I was exactly what I was thinking about was the blood type diet. It's like, how awesome would that be if we could literally pinpoint it to that? And then these foods were just completely perfect for you. And it worked out, you know, that way. And the thing is, like, there may be a general amount of data that shows, like, you know, women respond well to this type of mapping in terms of like managing their stress and their workouts to go with their cycle. But it's just like. It breaks down. That's how these break it down. And it's, it just doesn't work. That's how these things get legs. Perfectly. Just like the blood type. Yep. It gets legs because it does end up lining up for somebody. There's going to be a percentage of people that following this really works well for them. 80% of the time. It's like, oh my God, like if I train this way, it seems to match my energy levels. But to your point, Sal, it's so true. It's like, I don't care if it's the perfect time, cycle-wise, for you to be training intensely. If you got shit sleep tonight before or you got terrible news, you lost your job the day before, you going into that workout. I guarantee you'll feel way. Can I tell you why this works for 80% of people? It's not because they're training according to their cycle. It's because the workouts are phased. Yeah. That's all it is. The workouts are phased. That's the bottom line. They're doing different stuff at different times of the month. Has nothing to do with their cycle. In fact, I'll tell you what, like the truth be told, four years ago, I thought about perhaps developing a program around this. Why? Very easy to market. I can market the shit out of this and I could sell women this all day long. But the problem was when I broke down the science. Our marketing team wanted this. Yeah. And when I broke down the science and went into it, I said, this doesn't work. This makes no sense. It's always down to the individual. I mean, we phase our programs. What do we always say? Listen to your body. Because here's the deal. Yes, your hormones go through cycles, but the complexity and the context of your life changes on a day-to-day basis. How you feel, your sleep, who you talk to, your diet, emotional state. All that stuff changes regardless. I would make the case that what we know about HRT training would be more valuable information than this. You know why? Because it's individualized. That's what I mean. Because you're measuring your own heart rate variability. I think the same woman that has got good results from running a program like this would see just as much value, if not more value, from an HRT program where you basically are measuring your heart rate variability every single morning and seeing where you're at. And if it's a green day, you get after it. If it's a yellow day, you take it easy. If it's a red day, you take it off. And following that, I bet you'd see just as good of results if not better. Next question is from Roo's Rooftop Training. When will you bring your wives in as guests? Oh, yeah. You know why? I did Katrina's. I had the story of her answer. Yeah, I had Day in the Life. And because I was with her yesterday all day, I did ask her questions. Maybe I'll do that next time. That was a good idea. Yeah, everybody really enjoyed that. We're not going to bring our wives in as guests. Stop asking this question. That's why I put it up there. It's not going to happen. Can we bury this one? Yeah. He wants it for all. Yeah. But first of all, they don't have any desire to be on the podcast. You know what's funny? Yeah. They have zero desire. I actually find it a little insulting too. Why? Well, because I take a little pride in our craft now. Like they're just also going to be good. Yeah, I know. I'm dead serious, bro. Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Like this is what I've been doing for like, we've been doing this for eight years now. Maybe that's why we should do it. Now, so you know what happened? I don't want to make my wife look bad. I don't either. Listen, you know how many people you guys we've had? How many, the audience doesn't know this because they don't get to see all this stuff. But we've had people that do this shit for a living. And you should see how fucking nervous and scared they are and like shaky and fumble their words around and like, oh, we got to clip this or I don't want to do that. Like it is when you get the lights are on, you're talking in this and you start thinking about, oh my God, tens of thousands, maybe millions of people might hear this. And you're on camera now. Yeah. They just don't have any desire. And also the whole podcast would be about us, which I feel kind of insulting. Like, hey, honey, can you come on a podcast which I know you don't want to do and it makes you nervous and we're going to put you on camera and then they're going to ask us and they're going to ask you questions about me. You know, I'm like, I don't want to waste my wife's time with that kind of stuff. Plus our wives, if they do and we'll end up happening, I know this is they'll all probably have a few drinks, loosen up a little bit and then they're going to talk. That's why everybody wants to hear all this shit talking. I just think that I mean, again, you think I think that it's you, you're people are underestimating how nerve wracking it is to sit in these chairs. I don't, it's go, and if you underestimate, go back and listen to episode three of us. And we went into this willingly to do it and practicing it and try talking about a subject that all of us are very well versed and have a lot of experience and love talking about. So imagine having three, three wives who don't want to talk about, they're not really into it. They've never done anything like this. And then you're going to ask them questions about us. We're not interested in you. Tell me about Justin Courtney. Well, even you should have seen Kate. So again, you don't get to see this because I did like, I post like, you know, ask Katrina thing. And then I was sitting there with lunch and I'd ask her, you just see how hard it was to get her to, with all the time not being recorded, her trying to answer these questions. Yeah. I'm like, honey, you can't say it that way. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't. I had to coach her on how to do that. I'm like, really? Would she try to talk shit? No, she wasn't even doing that. It was just like, she didn't know how to, she didn't know how to answer like half of it. I'm like, you're overthinking it. Our wives are bad asses at what they do. And that's just the bottom line. They're asking me to come on here. It's like, I know that they would say yes, because they're so, we have the most supportive wives in the world, like super supportive. And they, they would do it if we really asked them to, but they don't want to. The move is for you guys to do. And I think that when I did the wine and weed and wife thing, that was cool. And that was like a chill, it was her and I together. If we did like a, all of us together, not on a podcast, maybe one that's like private, where we have a private audience. Like a lounge or something. Yeah. And then we're all just hanging out and it's not a part of it. That's the move. That's what I was thinking more of the live event, come to a live event. You know, a lot of times our wives will be there and just, you know, introduce yourself. I think that's the best way to do it, other than just trying to get them to come on here and, and try and create a podcast. I really think it would bomb. I think it would bomb. Really? Yes. I 100% think it would bomb. I do not think the audience would get what they think they want from it, which would be this funny, talk shit about Justin, talk shit about Adam, talk shit about Sal, have some good like, like theoretically, it sounds like it would be a, it would, but telling you right now, they, they would get in these chairs. Well, I know they don't want to. They don't want to. How many times have I brought up? Yes. Exactly. And my wife's like, no. They don't want to do that. Imagine being put in these chairs and you don't want to. We willingly sat in these chairs and did this shit and decided to go through the growing pains of figuring it out. Like there's, it's not going to pan out the way I remember I brought it up to Jessica a while ago and she's like, no, please don't make me do that. She's like, I'll do it if you need me to, but please don't make me get on that. You know, do that. Like, all right. Yeah. Katrina was the same way. She's like, no, I'm good. She's like, I'm going to try to tell her. No, thank you. It's a good time. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. You can find Adam on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year or doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps. If you compared that person to a person who did the bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps, but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of, let's say, 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw in some supersets. At the end of that year, you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out and less injury. That's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.