 Welcome to the homelab show episode 78 change log and updates. How you doing Jay? I'm doing very good. How are you? Great this episode is going to be about changes to products. We've talked about and I Wanted to put this together because we're like well, there's a new version of this There's a new version of that me and you were going back and forth they're like well there's a lot of little new versions that are incremental changes and they don't warrant I think a Complete new dedicated video to the new version But cumulatively if we talk about these projects that we have other Podcast episodes on we say hey, you know people maybe have a good weekend project coming up here because if you're in the United States At least I was reminded this just the other day that it's not a not an international holiday Just a US holiday is Thanksgiving that is going to be tomorrow So if you have some extra downtime over this extended days, maybe you want to update to some of these projects We're going to talk about Yep And I think actually Jay's Jay's doing a last-minute ad so if he looks if for those of you watching this and I'm wondering if Jay looks a little pensive staring at it Yeah, I'm actually doing some updates right now So we could maybe just get right into the ad read and then after that I'll talk about what I'm up to Yep, absolutely and our ad sponsor today is Linode and we seem to have gotten an email from them That they're going to continue sponsoring it and she were just talking about that they've been actually great I got to meet some of Linode people in person at an event I was at a couple weeks ago, which is really cool great company and a great race to host the projects that we talk about if you're listening To this podcast because you downloaded it you downloaded it from our server that is hosted on Linode Thanks to Jay for maintaining that but there's a great place to host your projects We had an offer code down below for the homelab show if you'd like to use Linode and we thank them for being a sponsor of the show all right, well you have a People jumping in the live stream here Jay live updating things. I can start with a few things That are coming and one of them is kind of a big one and this is I love Xcp and he for virtualization. It's been my go-to virtualization platform Jay likes proxbox and there's nothing wrong or proxbox, you know, you guys can debate it in the comments We've both me and Jay have covered them. He's got in-depth videos on proxbox I have in-depth videos and Xcp and G so whichever one you choose. Hey, they're both a good choice But the new 8.3 release candidate or they call it alpha but I'm gonna call it more like a release candidate of Xcp and G is out and it has some really cool new features now one of the big complaints of Xcp and G and You know point to team proxbox over there is having an integrated I don't have to load third-party Management tool for the web interface. This is one of the challenges Sometimes people have with Xcp and G is there's a component called Zen Orchestra That is the best way to manage all your instances, but obviously it's a third-party load Their XO light system is coming to the Xcp and G now You can actually load this in the 8.2 the current stable release, but they're coming Integrated with XO light so XO light is slowly coming along But nonetheless, I mentioned these things because I think the homelab crew is also the hey Let's test it crew. So I think it's kind of exciting to play with some of the new things Participate in their forums and feedback of how to make it better Also of great interest to the homelab people in this 8.3 release is going to be better Intel NUC support Two and a half gig NICS support. So yes those Intel and real tech 2.5 gig NICs They've added drivers in 8.3 for those VM snapshot with disk exclusion now This is for all of you doing Special pasture things where you want to do snapshots and it wants to snapshot all the drives They've kind of baked in now the snapshot disk exclusion and VTPM support now I haven't tested that yet, but that's coming here in 8.3 I believe that's still a little rough around the edges But progress is being made for those you that need the VTPM. So that's the Kind of good list of updates just a blog post easy to find it I'll actually throw it in the show notes, but it's on the Xcp and g.org slash blog They have all these details in there. So I'm pretty excited about the new release coming out When it finally drops, I will probably do an updated video because it's been a little while since I did a getting started with Xcp and g But I'm you know really excited where the project's going It's amazing how fast are iterating on all of these things and hopefully soon I'll be talking about their new SNM API that the basically the storage driver. They're building a completely new Storage layer that's going to be greatly enhanced from the current one. So that's also kind of coming I know people always ask about their hyper-converged solution It's all kind of tangled in there going forward and by their own words the old one. Yes, it's full of spaghetti code. Yes It's old. That's why they decided to do the hard work that is called Refactoring they're not fixing the spaghetti code anymore. They refactor a completely new Update to it. So it's going to be substantially better And Jay will tell you man. There's not many places that want to refactor Everyone just keeps grabbing the spaghetti code and throwing a little more spaghetti code code on top of the spaghetti code Yeah, I wonder if i'm the only one that likes refactoring that actually that enjoys it that might sound insane But there's something about Taking a really long Program or script and condensing it down and it's the same program But it just is just so much easier to maintain and then later on you'll appreciate it because when you go back to make a You know an adjustment to it. Yeah, that's very easy for me to find what i'm looking for because It's well refactored consolidated condensed and it just looks great But i know a lot of people probably just don't have time to do that though Yeah, that's what it comes down to with any of these projects is time people want the Fixes now they go. Hey, I'd really like to see this added to the product Well to do it right is going to be a six month to a year project of paying people to refactor code to Bolt it on the existing code and uh Twine it in there and tangle it with the current spaghetti code You can get that done in about 30 days and you'll get the thing it won't work as well Is the refactored version but you know that that's where it always comes down to How much runway do you have because somewhere along line someone has to pay all these technicians or Do the time it takes to get that done and in the meantime? Are you worried someone will go somewhere else looking at a different product? So yeah, it's there's a lot Yep. Yeah, totally So speaking of virtualization. We have um proxmox Version 7.3 is out and I discovered it like two minutes after I wake up. I'm just you know getting up out of bed check my phone Oh, there's new proxmox. Great. So I know what I'm going to be doing later And that's one of the things that I'm updating right now as uh as we talk because I figured you know that that'd be kind of fun Why wait until after this is kind of what we do right? We check out new things and we I don't know about you guys, but I like new things. It's kind of like when you get an update It's like a present under the christmas tree. Oh, yeah, there's no christmas tree But but it's really nice of the feeling and you keep getting that feeling every time there's something new That's out with something that you enjoy and there's a new feature um So given that You know proxmox. I only just discovered that it was out as of today, which it might have actually came out today I think there might be a time zone difference It's the date is yesterday the 22nd on the release notes, but again time zone difference. I have no idea. So This is version 7.3 So it's not like an 8.0. We're not expecting like a major oval overhaul of anything But they have some interesting things here. For example offline update support something that yes, I know xcp and g has had that you know forever because it inherited that from citrix But you know if for whatever for whatever reason if you have an offline proxmox Which you know, that's probably the most secure way to run anything is completely offline Then you could download patches onto a flash drive or something as long as that you know The repository you're getting the patches from isn't like completely broken into then yeah, that's probably a good Secure way to do that and it has support for that so you can load your updates on a flash drive and you can do it which is interesting to me because Technically it's always had that feature because debian allows you to do that You could just dump a bunch of deb packages on a flash drive and mount it and just install all of them but You know, it's better to have official support than doing it that way There's nothing wrong with doing it that way, but sometimes you might want a more official way of doing that But again, I'm just checking it out for the first time and I'm updating my proxmox servers right now as we're talking as well as True nas i'm also updating true nas as well so other features in 7.3 support for sef quincey quincey is the 17th release of sef apparently so It supports that there's templates for all malinix and things like that. I don't know if I thought I saw that in the release notes But it's there Yeah, I've seen there's a lot of new templates in there. So I was reading some release details. That's on the release details page Yep, and there's tags Well tags are visible in the ui and apparently you could edit them in the ui as well Which is pretty cool initial support for cluster resource scheduling in this release. So that sounds pretty promising So it's not going to be one of those life changing releases But there's just a lot of really cool updates that will definitely make the experience better And now that the packages are done Downloading I'm going to restart my proxmox servers now and be on the new release So, yeah, apparently we have a new proxmox to check out for those of you running on that platform, which is always pretty cool and Another thing I thought about bringing up was the new fedora because I really like it. It's really good and Some people might be thinking well, that's a workstation. I mean it's right in the name fedora workstation We're not running servers on fedora. Are we well, there is a server version of fedora. So yes, some people are doing that and I covered fedora 37 in a Dedicated video review I put on the channel recently And I really liked it the raspberry pi version just didn't work at all Which is really weird. That's one of the highlights of the release is that there's official support for the raspberry pi 4 doesn't work at least in my experience I Re-imaged a flash draw or excuse me sd card like I don't know six or seven times and it just couldn't get it to boot But then I on that same flash or I keep saying flash drive that same sd card I loaded a boon to the pi version of that. It's fine So the hardware is fine and it's the pi I use for many different things But for some reason their official pi support didn't include a full qa of the release apparently But that being said, maybe they'll get that fixed really soon. I hope they do and Yeah, that's something that everyone can enjoy once that's up and running but raspberry pi version aside It's running on linux kernel 6 and gnome 43. I still say fedora has the best implementation of the gnome desktop Vanilla gnome specifically than any other distribution out there just so tightly integrated in a way where it's like um, I mean there's gnome os which is a reference distribution for Implementing gnome, but I feel like fedora is the better reference distribution for gnome because It's a fully usable workstation That's come a long way has a lot of software for it And you get the latest gnome desktop related software So there's not really a whole lot to say about fedora 37 in terms of the workstation version But getting back to the home lab side of things Fedora core os is an official flavor, which is really cool And it's interesting because we used to remember fedora as fedora core That's what what its first name was Then later on it became fedora workstation and now we're putting core back in the name But it's not the workstation version It's a completely separate version of fedora that is dedicated for running container workloads And it's something that I mean to try out pretty soon I actually can't wait to get my hands on it and check this out But if you wanted a container operating system, then that could be a very good thing to check out And there's also fedora server. That's not new. That's existed for a while So I'd be interested to hear from people that are running fedora server on on their home lab That'd be pretty cool to find out what that experience is like for other people I haven't actually had a chance to check that out in a while So I hope to do so But fedora cloud is back apparently it went away. I never knew that was the case But the fedora cloud version just like the name implies is a cloud image for you know Open stack cloud providers There's a q-cow image. I believe for your virtualization platforms So if you want an image that's basically designed to be run as a virtual machine Well, now you have that again, I guess So that's a little weird, but um You know the raspberry pi version only mentioned that just in case anyone wants to Run that and we have we have a lot of raspberry pi fans in our audience But overall I think fedora 37 other than the raspberry pi situation is is a really good release I do recommend it a lot. I think it's very fast It just feels like Buttery smooth. It's just a really great experience. So I think it's awesome Yeah, I I'm still stuck in the debian and a bunch of worlds. It's funny because I started out on red hat in the 90s But I switched sometime in 2003 or four. I can't remember exactly about the same time for me Yeah, absolutely the same fedora red hat fedora and then around the same time. It was a boon too Yeah, but uh, I don't have any problem with it. It's just like you say with the environment You're familiar with I haven't run into any hiccups. I can find good documentation on how to get things done So that's usually the factors that keep you in a particular distro kind of a note in This was kind of a hiccup with my uh, my del laptop I don't know if i'm going to review it or not because I don't think it's the best linux laptop But I do run pop os on there I had some problems when it moved to the pop os moved to the 6.0 kernel. It had broke the ability to have audio The good news is the pop team actually had a fix for it to slow to migrate to the one version up in beta kernel Which then became the mainstream kernel after about a week, but that's been uh You know pop os is still my daily go-to for my desktop. I mean I've thought about trying something else I don't know. I just so used to it everything just working in pop os Yeah, pop os is still my favorite distribution. Um, but as I looked at the look at the project I do kind of feel like They're taking on too much You know maintaining a distribution is not easy as I think everyone would know However difficult you think it is like multiply that by at least five if not 10 And that's how difficult it actually is because you know, you have to deal with Um the the mirrors or the repositories from the distribution on what you base plus you have You know in their case they have their own repository And all of that is great, but as they're putting out linux kernel 6 I start scratching my head because I know why they're doing it and there's a good reason for this because You have to have a newer kernel to have newer or support for newer hardware So if you were to go to I don't know best buy or whatever your computer store of choice happens to be Then you buy the latest computer A lot of linux distributions will not work on it because if the linux kernel in your distribution is older than the hardware you're installing it on The same is true for windows even it can't know about hardware that you know exists in the future So a new linux kernel anytime that's released you get new driver support for updated hardware, which is great, but A lot of these lts distributions stick on older kernels Which again, there's nothing wrong with that But the problem is it's a bad user experience when you buy a computer at the store That's brand new and it just doesn't work and then the next version of the distribution does so The reason why they're giving us the latest kernel in this case kernel 6 is is a good reason But at the same time the boon two is already doing this They already put out new kernels that are you know QA through their system or go through their toolchain To be approved for release and they actually keep the kernels updated on their end So I also feel like there's no reason for popo s or the developers of popo s to Custom bake kernels just to get a newer version when the distribution on which they base is already releasing newer kernels why not just use the kernels that they put out but then Hopefully it gets rectified soon because the linux Version 6 of the linux kernel was actually very very problematic and probably the most Bug filled anything bug or popo s has ever put out. I mean, it's like breaking people's systems It's making things unable to boot GPU issues are getting worse package updates are a problem So yeah, that's a little concerning but then again everyone makes mistakes, but until As long as it doesn't get worse and it gets better popo s is going to remain as my favorite distribution of choice because I think all of those issues Have been worked out as of now So as far as I know shouldn't have any problems. It was a bad couple of weeks, but I guess we'll keep our eye on it Yeah, I mean the It's still better than the windows update experience. So but the bar's low Yeah You just had to go there didn't I had to go there You had to go there. Um, I do have a question Kind of related to quickly. Oh as a question of audience and they can get some feedback to us on this Um, do you want us to talk about any of the desktop things in linux? Me and jay weren't sure exactly how aligned it is at the homeland But I have a feeling a lot of you run linux on your desktop So uh hit their feedback form uh hit us up on the socials and let us know if That's something you want us to kind of talk about or mention from time to time just it's a curiosity We have and and a little bit of a background on that so Uh when a boon 2204 came out we talked about it because that's an lts release something That's way more likely to be run on people's home labs And with with it, you know with good reason lts long-term support. That's what you want the you know intermediary releases are just nine months of support which you know It's kind of a trade-off. We loved update things But rebasing on a new distribution or an updated one is a lot more work So it's very common for people to stick to that. So we mentioned that now fedora I thought was a good fit to mention today because there's a server version. There's coro west There's all these server related things going on there But then when we think about ubuntu 2210 we didn't talk about that yet because Well, are anyone is there anyone out there and let me know let us know Is there anyone out there running intermediary releases on your servers in particular? And i'm not talking about your workstations at this point like your vms or servers. Are they running an intermediary release? I'd be interested to know And my line of thinking was well if there's a home lab fit I'll mention it, but again like tom mentioned if you feel differently. Let us know Yep Um, should we talk about some true nas updates? Yes, as a matter of fact mine just came back up. So it was a successful update actually Um, it was you are you updating true nas core or are you updating true nas scale? I haven't moved to scale yet. Okay, so we'll start with the core and now The core releases someone will Undoubtedly say as they always do but tom core is dead all you know, hell the new version of scale But it's not really true as someone who just sold Well several hundred thousand dollars for the servers to clients with business support contracts for core It's not dead. It's being well supported But it's not where the innovation is going in terms of new features because Just like we talked about the new kernel 6 with great change comes great problems So they are very slowly iterating just updating versions So when the release of true nas core 13 u3 and then quickly after that 3.1 because of a bug found in samba They're not adding a whole lot on there. Just kind of bumping versions of software up to the latest Little things are being added here and there one of the interesting ones And this might be of interest to the homeland people and hey, let me know in the feedback if you guys have tried this Both true nas core and true nas scale have added store j cloud sync service Now if you're not familiar with store j I'm not giving you an endorsement just yet, but I have sun up for an account on this store j's a decentralized distributed cloud storage system that allows you to participate in Offering storage or getting storage back by how much you offer it's kind of interesting way to do storage I want to dig into it deeper, but it's actually being Done in partnership with ix systems So I would say it's actually a noteworthy change to integrate that in there because people are always going Okay, I know I have to back things up off-site Good news is it is encrypted before it leaves So it's safe to put things in the cloud provided you are the one who control the keys That's that's a really important factor when you think about it I've talked about back plays and other cloud services for backups because you know you can Especially if you're a homeland person you may not have two physical locations But you really should consider keeping your data in a secure place The advantage of course of decentralized cloud isn't because it's decentralized But because it's going to cost less That's if you want to read between the lines and the buzzwords of the marketing team It should be able to be a very cost effective way to store things I just i'm uncertain about some of the reliability over a long time, but The fact that's got a big company behind it. I think it's worth mentioning There's a bunch of our little stuff that probably doesn't matter to most home users In terms of the Features, but you can find those in the release notes. I have a link I just did a video where I break down the release notes in more detail that I'll spend on i'm here Now what is a little bit more exciting? I think this aligns even more to the homeland people is the release candidate of 22.12 bluefin So that is the true nas scale release now. They've made a lot of environment fixes here and a lot of Cool things including some eye candy refactoring of the web UI. That was actually one of the first things on their list and Hey, I think it's really cool that they did that They're changing the way it lays things out a little. I think it's kind of a more Coherent display. I don't think any of this is going to get ported back to scale Or bat ported back to core from scale, but it's still kind of cool that they're taking the time to like Align things a little bit with how the web UI works They've had already customizable dashboards and things like that, but they go a lot further and making it A little bit prettier now. I did note in my video There is a change with the way it handles the docker file system So you may run into an acl problem when you do an in-place upgrade Or if you add things and you have acls on data sets, they have a workaround for that that's noted It's it's to lock things down in a more secure way But there's obviously some insecure things That can occur if you share a folder out and have one of your docker images using a data set For storage So if you have a share attached to the data set and you have that attached that you could run into some Bugs near so I did note on note about that being a potential issue, but they've got an easy fix for it It's just a matter of checking a little box to say hey, don't check these Features and you can go ahead and do it. Basically, it's like agreeing to be a potentially insecure situation on there But nonetheless, I really like the new where they're going with scale now It is a release candidate which means Try at your own risk But honestly a little bit of me feels that the trueness scale is been a little bit buggy They keep getting better at it But it's still a little bit buggy for things But then again, all the buggyness has really been based around the adding of docker and kubernetes Not around the actual device storage. So I've always felt my data is secure on there That's not where the problems are. It's in the little hiccups I've run into with the Add-ons that they've built on there because it's still a nas first with added on tools Now the last thing I'll mention is a virtualization I've been testing it a lot more in scale and it works quite well with the stupid exception being there That's been noted since the old version of scale and bluefin didn't fix this problem If you set up your main management or whichever ip address comes that you're managing your trueness from And you connect your virtualization To that it can't ping it and I don't know I mean, there's there's a bunch of different workarounds for bridging and things like that But natively it can't and I don't understand why that's not fixed But that problem still persists in bluefin either way the virtualization Survived from the previous update to the newest update So that hasn't been a problem the virtual machines I created still work perfectly fine And I'll probably be doing a video on virtualization the pros and cons of doing it inside of true nascale The pros being hey, it's all in one server. So you're not getting more hardware The cons being well, it's not as advanced as proxmox or xcp and g But you know in terms of hey, I need a place to run a couple quick virtual machines Or like I've been doing here just kind of forking and building out a couple ideas I had and having a local machine to do it because that's what's here in my studio. Um, yeah, it worked pretty well for that cool bug problems in samba I see uh I see people posting that in the live stream The bug problem that they fixed was specific to um Some character problems in the shadow copies. It's kind of interesting how samba presents shadow copies combined with true nascale So the vss system volume shadow copy service that runs inside of windows is Emulated inside of true nascale. Now the way it's emulated with well, and this is more of a samba thing Samba and zfs can work together and every time a snapshot is created it can have that Present in far as through the smb Present as a shadow copy. This is actually a really cool feature because unlike the volume shadow copies that are within windows These are completely immutable because it's just an emulation of vss not actual vss But to the end user pulling things across a share That's pretty cool because the end user cannot if their machine gets compromised even though they have access to those It cannot delete them. Uh, that's the immutability that comes with them The only way they can be deleted is via zfs commands. So any way to get to the zfs commands is going to be through The true nascale console or through the web UI so provided your web UI isn't tied to your domain login This has always been a really good way to Have a solid Grasp on your data where users or something that happens At the user's workstation level doesn't come and destroy your data. So that's a tricky thing I'm impressed it works as well as it does but there was a little bug in it And that's why there's a three release and then shortly thereafter a 3.1 release wow Yeah, like like someone said in our chat room. Um a bug. It's humba. What? Yeah Never happened. Come on Yeah, there's always yeah You know, I and this is it's sad. It's just kind of the the universe um in the way we sit right now in our world We've adopted that all right. We're going to take and emulate smb Which is funny because i'm emulating smb on my papa west which is the most effective way to talk to my True nas that emulates the microsoft file system as well, you know, it's a microsoft protocol. It's not I mean, it's documented to an extent, but it's not like Modern by any means, but we've got technical debt and uh, that's the price we pay to run it Pretty much Pretty much so all my updates are done and everything seems to work Nothing broke. So that that's between both true nas and proxmox and I as we were talking I was also adding tags to the instances because like the release notes mentioned it's right there in the UI And I just started adding tags, which I know xcp and g has had that for how long like has it been since the inception or Tags are specifically a function of the zen orchestra tool and they make things really really handy. Um because you can You can first create tags on any type of resource and I actually I take that back Maybe they are native to the platform as well. I always use them through x xo, but I think they were actually available in the There's a windows utility you can use to manage Zen I never use it. I mean I use it in early days like the version six years ago Like six or seven years ago, but not recently But the tagging is actually a cool feature I talked about that in the UI and usability Because you can tag not just the virtual machines, but you can tag the resources attached to any specific pool I'm like tagging them production tagging them You know lab or anything there of kind of makes it easy when you're trying to hunt down find resources when you have well Very large infrastructure. We have a client with like 400 virtual machines across a dozen hosts. So Uh, yes, they they use tagging because that's how you organize all the different areas of things And for people that uh are watching like if you know, I just look over my shoulder a little freaked out My studio's in the basement every night for now and then we have this centipede thing that just runs across the floor That's always pretty creepy. Anyway, um insect problems aside um That makes a lot of sense when you have a lot of um, you know instances a big environment You I mean tagging can really help you categorize things and narrow them down I don't really think I have much of a need for tagging because for my operation I know I'm not a server relying as other companies might be Obviously we have the server for this, you know podcast here and and also the channel, but um I think tagging is still pretty cool because it it does help you kind of target certain You know instances that are in a you know specific category Rather than uh go through the list manually and just try to figure out which ones you are trying to uh do some kind of task to so Um, yeah, I think that is a pretty good feature of proxmox 7.3 so far Yeah, I mean the thing is we manage these things at scale and you need scalability and tools to manage those large scale things That's uh a lot of what comes out of this, you know That's one of the reasons my my familiarity with with these tools are from using them in larger enterprises and things like that But that's always been an absolute fascination to me that hey the same tool for that person running All these hosts that have like half a terabyte or a terabyte or ram in them Also will work in your home lab on your intel knock like that's that's um, that's a broad range Uh right there you can run it on a knock you can run it on a million dollars worth of equipment I think I love that so much And I think that's part of the home lab charm because it's at least for me when I first started There was just something magical about Whenever the company bought a brand new server You know from dell or whoever and it comes in after about two weeks after you order it because you know back then We didn't have instant gratification like we do now And it comes in we put it in the rack. We build the software We get it running as good as we can we we test everything and then we put it in production And that was the only Like involvement I had with that back then because well, I mean I can't afford to buy like a 10 000 dollar server Whenever I want to you know try something out nowadays off lease servers raspberry pies intel knocks It's just so easy to have that You know server experience in your house and it's just so cool to have that ability Hmm um, I'll have notes. I seen someone ask this question there Sync thing I should probably do an updated video on that's a tool that I come around like we mentioned it here But boy that's added a ton of new cool features For file synchronization and next clouds had some version updates probably since we did the video on that So there's there's a there's a lot of little updates We just didn't throw them into the show notes to talk about it But uh sync thing since I've last done a video has an entire Way you can build untrusted nodes into the mix So you can have a whole series of syncing nodes, but the ones you trust the least Can carry only an encrypted copy of your data and only people you share a password With can decrypt the data so you can actually have intermediary nodes that synchronize all the data But they have no idea what they're syncing. So it is it is a fun thing to Uh dive into some of these other tools. So we have plenty more videos. We'll be coming up with on some of these Oh for sure. And there's no shortage of really cool things to talk about especially As new versions of our favorite software is released He yep. Oh, I seen someone ask about ubiquity There's gonna there's a big ubiquity release coming soon and I'll be Ranting about what I've found so far. So We need to chat after this then Yeah, we'll talk we'll we'll talk about those details So thanks everyone for joining us this update of the change Me and j both have videos on these topics where we dive a little bit deeper into it Jay's got a whole video series on proxmox 7.2 to get you started with it And then click update and go to 7.3 so you can experience those Latest changes I've got the most recent if you want to see the web UI the visual Of things that have changed in true nas. I just released a video on my channel about that So go ahead and look for those true nas november 2022 updates that I just posted about but thanks again for joining us And uh, we love hearing from you. So, you know, hit us up on the socials use our feedback form Uh, we can get in touch with us. We like to you know, hear from you So we can answer questions and talk about the things that the homelab crowd is interested in. Thanks everyone