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We could maybe talk quickly about The one the one that we've well everyone here's seen except metal But we haven't I don't see a slot for it coming up in any way shape or form being the whale And mainly wanted to let people know there's kind of interesting that it is such a Film that had eyes on it specifically for Brandon Frazier and it and it makes sense. It wasn't it wasn't like Bullshit it was like he's cuz he actually tried his ass off in that movie. I don't know How far and wide it's gotten or how many people have seen it, but I give it a big old Recommendation the main I definitely would the main hurdle you have in that movie is gonna be that you're dealing with someone in a really big fat suit and That I couldn't wait you mean he didn't gain all that weight for the role. Well, I mean Why didn't he Christian Bale that shit? I don't even think Christian Bale go that far Listen, I appreciate this role. Appreciate the passion, but Christian Bale. Yeah People from Hollywood would have to come in and force feed him I've seen people fathom in the whale. Yeah, just there's that show right my 600 pound life You got all kinds of people in there that they're like they're like melting into their bed sort of thing Cuz they can't get out anymore. Where does the bed begin and the human end? Such as life it's nasty though It's a bit but it's not it's not a fun film No, it's not fun. It's it's tragic and emotional No, I meant in real life the 600 pound live this real people They run that's you know Did not like made up a special put it suits on Or is a CGI yeah, like at the end of each season they're like we'd like to remind viewers that none of this is real Okay It is tragic though. Yeah, but it's it's it's a film with It's like all set in one I was about to say one room. It's it's more than that but mostly one room and It's based on a play. Yeah, you could I got that sense watching it It's like yeah, this if it wasn't based on a play you probably get adapted into a play And it's it's you got you get you got I was about to say I don't know much I want to say this is recommending it. It's like The rough film about a man who's lived a life filled with different eras based on core mistakes and Something going wrong that didn't have to and and so he tries to make up for it in the last potential days of his life It's kind of like near the beginning of the film he gets the news that he's probably gonna die very soon And yeah, Brendan Fraser, he's he's fucking brilliant in it Is brilliant in it. He's extremely incredible and what was strange about this was that Coincidentally like three days before I had watched the mummy again where he does not let's say he plays a different character So it was really cool to see that Brendan Fraser has this incredible talent in acting and in range and being able to get emotional Yeah, you could say those two different characters and I agree live different lives And yeah, if he gets the Oscar that would be neat If I would be in Austin Butler gets the Oscar that would also be fine Yeah They're not calling Farrell right cap. I Think that'd be neat, but you guys are wrong in bad people. So maybe you wouldn't I mean he was fine Now he's really good. He did good, but that just didn't seem like a very You know Oscar where they're performance. I Think he was better in in bruise. It wasn't as good as Modak Legendary character performance that one Modak was really good. That's a powerful performance Don't want to know the actors reaction when he read that script Like so, so I'm a head with little alarms. It's like it's from the comics. He's like, oh, okay You can someone said you can skip talking about Ant-Man today. We won't tell anyone I know everyone Just call the screen that never do it just a total a total fake I did not make notes about how horrible this film is for them notes to be Disappeared into the void of memory whole edge even though most of the movie has already reached that culturally Did we get any official word on its box office drop-off like a definitive word? Wow, you're just assuming that this film would have box office drop Check like to have any percent cheese Which would be the worst? It would be yeah, I think black widow was the worst with like 68 67 Like this is suffer's record box office drop as this article Previously black widow had the MCU's biggest box office drop at sixty seven point eight percent though It should be noted that the film also released on the same day as on Disney plus Or love and thunder was a close second at sixty seven point seven Wantomania's drop is even greater than Batman versus Superman dawn of justices 69% drop and the sixty nine point seven percent drop that Ang Lee's Hulk suffered in 2003 Oh, wow So it was really good then is what you just well It's kind of weird isn't it because it's like why is it having such great opening weekends if they're so bad Then it's like that's that's what they've cultivated now I guess oh, yeah fucking strange like everyone really wants to see them when they come out But that immediately doesn't give a shit anymore like it's going to be the best ever It's gonna be so amazing and incredible and then they just Everyone is like no, no, it's actually not don't go watch it. Oh, dang. We were wrong again. It certainly doesn't So I said we go over this movie again. We Didn't get through the whole thing. I know it sounded like we might have We're not even close Well, you know on that note we can just get on with it because my god We still got plenty of shit to go through. It's a it's kind of an insane film as it's it's in the If you could tear the worst of the MCU it's it's sitting there with MOM and Love and Thunder I think it's It feels like there's a gap between those three and then and then sort of next stage of badness They're very special those three You're good for their special kind of bad specialist the way to put it. Yeah, didn't always used to be like this I know it seems it is the new normal, but it legitimately now No, we're gonna sound like grandpa sitting on a porch Yep, you know talking about the good old days, but the MCU wasn't always like this No, it used to be that potentially like good films could exist that good films would come out in the MCU And we'd be like, oh that was pretty good or that was neat poor little metal over there recently rewatched Iron Man Yes, not gonna help After the first five minutes, I was like fuck me what happens What happens? It's not even day. We are waiting for the day where they have like just a normal not shit seed Just what were you like? Oh, man I like how that person was characterized with something that was relatively subtle and in line with things We've known to be true previously Scene that's all we want. It's just a scene This character sounds like a real person and the characters that I talked to each other are not talking at each other They're reacting what to what the other guy is saying Man, yeah, actually listen to dialogue in real life. I like people It is nuts in the How much in modern dialogue for the MCU? We're just they don't they don't listen to each other at all They're just there to get some stuff out or it's that they did originally and the scene got chopped to hell Yeah, you just don't even know it's just the way they handle the the comedy in that one compared to what we get now It's just like holy shit. Like I don't I don't man. It's like I forgot what comedy is and can do This is motion doesn't tell mild comedy at certain interval cells Yeah, because if you remember an Iron Man one they do it like basically the reverse It's not like oh sad scene then I got huh that happened the Mao. It's like the scene when when he tells Miss parts like yeah, you're the only thing I have you know It's like oh shit I came out of nowhere almost because they were kind of joking around before that and that's like Oh, we just use that to lead into how they're feeling like that's good shit Oh The stream was dubbed this week's like no five hours is only never done only Colin Farrell's not anything damn. Whoa. Wow. Oh, yeah. Well. He was good in real life when I met him There you go. Yeah, I think he's pretty good as penguin He's good in the lobster. He's good in in brooch. He's good in banshees. He's good as penguin in the Batman Yeah, don't forget he was he was a penguin in that movie. Oh, what are you showing me? Come on? That's pretty great So, yeah, you guys ready to kick back on with the events of this film and to Gesture it the idea of any of it making any sense at all. No, let's do it. All right, so I'll rewind us to him entering the Probability storm I know that everyone in channels exactly what I'm talking about. This is where we stop You're all like, oh, I know what that is. Yeah. Well, we stopped around there But you all would have forgotten. Okay, so it's okay The the it's funny how much I want to roll back is like the reason this is all happening is because in the in the area of this the quantum verse the subatomica is where Janet and Kang happened to meet Remember he crash landed right next to a little house In the quantum world or whatever because that's just some of that happened And then of course she helps him repair his big evil ship that the people who wanted him captured and dead Left him with for some reason and then just when it was finished up She attached for growers to it. There's a little quantum growy thingies and On that to the others are other ones called shrinkers showers shrinkers. I think And so That didn't instead of making it really big it made it really big and Generates a field around it where if you stand in it, it'll generate clones of you Who are the possibilities of the life you could take I guess I'm all I need to say that again I Restate that for the audience just so it sinks in You know, I'll come back to it once we once we recycle around this whole thing So like that that whole disaster is there and then and then Janet in that scene just jumps off the edge of a cliff And I guess ended up below the subatomica into where the other the I don't know the floor of the quantum realm is Where all the civilizations get built and people like verb can feed their their ooze to people Make sure they can speak to each other. I know you're like a fever dream. Yeah a little bit like a muller What are you talking about muller wait? Wake up? Those are a gas leak in your house. You need to get outside immediately call emergency services You're not okay, so I think you are that part of the problem So obviously can captures at man He's like I'm gonna need you to go in there and shrink the thing back so I can then use it It's like, yeah, okay, that'll make sense and Modoc is like better be careful The way that you say that yeah, it does Almost believed you and I've seen the movie people are lost people We're on this roller coaster without any rails, and it's just zoomin everywhere up and down We're going no, sir So Modoc's like, you know better be careful the more time you spend in there the more it'll fuck with your brain and nobody Wants to know anything right yeah, I wouldn't obviously I'd be like yeah, I know what you mean by that a hundred percent Yeah, why would you be prepared and have a plan when we can be surprised and have a fun reveal? For what a very fun reveal and so he jumps in and you know, it's worth mentioning now I think I don't know if he's come up before but every time they jump through a Thing where they're going smaller and smaller and flying all around stuff They always managed to dodge like almost everything that looks incredibly lethal in the I don't even know what to call it Not a quantum-verse realm. It's like a the tunnel that appears whenever they try to start going somewhere Yeah, they don't even have the kind of suits, you know, like the flying squirrel suits that would actually help you Fly like that. Yeah, anything that's right somehow They can just kind of swim through the only one that would have some level of control over it for some reason Nobody else wants to have the fucking flying part of the suit. Well, I guess Janet has it but Yeah, even use the suits at any point in the film other than the prologue, right? No, no, they don't want wings. They don't want those lasers to use this. No, none of the blasty lasers Yeah, they seem very good. I wouldn't want some of those. I would too So yeah, he arrives and then Scott is like it's kind of weird if you think about it logistically This is so hard to explain. I almost want to do a diagram But it's like you have the big I would like to see what that diagram would even look like Well, I mean, I can't even where would I even draw it? I need like a I need like a white pad or feet Oh, yeah, no pad because if I don't blind people. Oh wait, my notepad is it's got a dock background I don't know what blind people What does your know? I said I wouldn't want to blind people. Oh It's all your blind people That's not the right no brain. You silly bastard. Whoa. Oh, that's us lots of times. It's the multi-verse. No, it's coming for us TV a is on his way. Oh Fuck it. Anyway, they make a good giant The thing becoming giant and generating that whole feel around it he jumps toward it When when should this effect begin? Should it not be when he's within X amount of vicinity of the thing? Well, I mean that would I mean it's that's That might be something that happens light. It's somebody else. Well, yeah, that's that's obviously what I'm getting at That's where I'm heading because it's almost for dramatic effect Yeah, even though it would have a shit turn of Ant-Man's just start spawning all around it and falling and screaming and stuff Orienting that would be for good all regular Ant-Man who wasn't told about any of this Which is something you really need to tell him because it's gonna affect his ability to complete the task quite a bit And you want him to complete it? Yes I know that like your funny little troll mr. Modok man, but like you do want him to succeed, right? Yeah So yeah, I'm already getting I'm already getting army of the dead vibes What in terms of just nothing making any sense or the fact that of course, but the element of oh Do you not want this these this person slash these people to complete the task? Why are you? Why are you not helping them doing there? Why are you actually getting in the way of doing that? No, he doesn't like Scott but like he does want him to succeed here because this is Essential to Kang being able to escape the quantum realm Also, I guess we have to assume they could have they could they were Able to scan this whole area and figure out that this is like a probability Storm whatever the fuck that is and that things happen down there I guess they scanned that because they didn't go down there, of course Maybe they sent someone down there before that they became clothed and they killed themselves But they don't don't have pin particles. I guess they can't do the whole thing They may have sent someone down and they just See what happens It's all very strange because modock the only reason I can come up with for why he spared modock We talked about this for we didn't really know why was that he knows stuff about quantum flames And that's what Kang needs and it's like and and what all he managed to do in totality was actually crack Shrinking them all and dragging them into the quantum realm But he couldn't figure out anything else like shrinking down to be able to get that and and shrink down the engine Like oh well, I guess Very specific things he manages to figure out for Kang, you know, right? Not the his specific enough to generate a very particular plot line not not anything else Yeah This way I mean it's so hard to be specific about how all of this falls apart So it falls apart several times over and over and over again The fact that it's they they're explicit for every choice you make it'll generate like us another person And then it's like they say it's they say it's a philosophical Mahler. Yeah, they specifically say every choice all at once That's what they say. It's like so as long as you get in there It's just gonna be crowded with Ant-Man's and you die. Well, yeah, I want to see this was like dr. Strange I want to see how crowded it would be because this would include choices of like I'm gonna place my foot like half an inch Yeah to the right then like I was intending like maybe it doesn't count like a subconscious I Don't see why it wouldn't I don't either. I don't know One of them what if one of them is it wouldn't one of them be like what if you were like a psycho killer? And you just wanted to kill everything was because you went crazy I mean, yeah Yeah, if one of them was murderous which I mean it's all possibilities one of them could go nuts and think that the solution is to Start killing the copies of fighting each other every really possible. And yeah, it's gonna be every possibility It's so stupid because they could do all these things and then they do one thing and the company breaks the rules They set up It's yeah, I don't know if they do that. Well, they do that all the time in all of these What oh right every single time Yeah, I want them to be honest no more cowardice and you have him take one step forward and it And it does like explode into loads of legs and arms and feet and then you just start you start hearing all them Squelchy noises as blood and guts just start splattering everywhere Yes, and you know and then you cut to mode I'll go in well that happened And then Scott's like, okay, I'm okay It's like why it wouldn't be quite every Every single possibility because it's only be every possibility from the point of the ant man that we've been Following jumping in there, right? Yeah, it's localized Yeah, it's so I guess so one if it's every possibility there's the possibility one of them goes nuts as soon as Muller just said Yeah, as small as this but when they say it's every possibility all at once. It's like, yeah, okay. We can have that So it's every yeah, so but I guess the one thing that definitely Broke me out of whatever that was supposed to be as far as a set of rules is the fact that there's Baskin Robbins Scott there. Yeah, which yeah, that's a randomly of Baskin Robbins Because he couldn't have become a Baskin Robbins guy while he was inside the Subatomica or wherever he is. Oh, he's yes. I think I think they're at the subatomica. It will really make sense I have a little map and so oh I don't You weasley little liar weasley little lie The fact that other Scots can generate Scots for me is is like this is fucked Like that you guys are all the fact that load that he should be able to make enough that it would explode Yeah room, and you like how they do the thing where all of the alternate Scots spawn with their helmet on but yeah Big old main man Scott has his off seems kind of like why would that even be at all how it works? Oh, I think I have a reason so for the ones with the most dialogues some of them have the masks off as well You have to see the possibilities faces. Yes No, it's like when they're running towards the thing all of those Scots that spawn aware in the helmet I think I'm pretty sure basically all of them do Except for your main one. Yeah, I'm tired trying to follow this as hard. It's like, yeah Gonna get it as hard as well because yeah one of the Scots is then like Let's do it and he gets he bigs himself up in order to get close enough to Throw I guess a minimizer or whatever a shrinker onto the I don't even know what his plan is I thought I figure that's the plan and then he shreds into spaghetti You just yeah, it's quite gruesome actually like just well. Yeah, the first one I think it's not even spaghetti. It's actually looks like the limbs are separated. There's just blood. Yeah The second one's weird. Oh, yeah. Why why did that happen? I don't know because it doesn't happen again So the trailer and be people would be like wow, that's strange. Will these ant-mans running around? I don't not well. I'm talking specifically about the mechanics of why did I not go big and then die? I Don't know. It's a more or less about pride Well, he does say look out for the little guy. So if you become a big guy you've lost your way, you know It's a look out for the big guy cuz you can fucking step on you. Yeah later on The promise generates immediately is like wait so in the vicinity of the engine if you are a big man You'll die It's like but that's precisely what he was when he was heading toward it as in like he shrinks and then shrinks and then It's just like so he should have just been dead When he was big like before he hit the final phase he's already within the the engine so to speak point actually I don't know. Just I just don't get it. It's and it's just like well because it's gonna generate We're doing a payoff thing and it's like oh, sorry. It's just like I guess it's a payoff. It's good It's good. We'll see maybe can forgive it this arbitrary weird Limitation and it's gonna be overcome randomly You won't know why Yeah, he can't go big like okay So so like like I said you picture it this is room It's filling with scots and there's a engine floating above it that he's got to get a shrinker on too But he can't reach it really that though those are the horrifying stakes of the situation And I think it's horrifying is a good way to describe just like you know, this is how we got here Yeah, we are what's happening our understanding of the stakes the world building You know And so they all start it becomes too much and Scott is like almost drowning in Ant-Man's and Then it like cuts to Cassie and she's like dad come back come back to me. Don't leave me again There's something it's like as if anyone understands what the fuck is happening right now like Like I say they do they're lying like dad you you could make it you could do it It's like he's currently dealing with millions of other hymns I don't I don't even know which one is your dad anymore, but sure Because I got that was a question of her. Are they all receiving Modoc's messages at the same time Because then like there's everything they say Well, but like surely it should actually work that way. It's all completely copied Yeah, and therefore like shouldn't Modoc and Cassie all be hearing fucking noise just They should probably I think they want us to believe it's only the one for some reason Except maybe Baskin Robbins Scott because that I guess Wives in the quantum room, I guess yeah, I mean it shouldn't be here in the first place. Oh And so yeah, like your realistic scene. She's like dad and you just hear like Ah They'd have to like This was something I was thinking about as well How can he like could shrink like four or five times to get in there? He's in the quantum room. How can he shrink? Why can he still relative? He can I don't know when they unlocked it five times But he can now shrink infinitely and grow infinitely in Ant-Man in the first film He could only shrink down and then if he wanted to go smaller that meant fucking with his suit to the point that it was Infinitely none of that problem. Yeah, I guess they did off-screen sweet But how does it work? Does the quantum room like scale down the pimp particles appropriately to like have to function? And when he is in the quantum room when he is at that point as it okay, so this is super fucked It seems like when you're in when you when you first start shrinking beyond safety You end up in the void, which is where he was which is where we thought Janet was and he's like, okay There's something Ant-Man and the wasp she is in the same place like at first Well, so I was gonna say We're not gonna count Ant-Man one and two mostly because I can't make sense of this with this film alone Let alone involving those two I was gonna say like below the void is supposed to be the subatomica and that's where she lived for a while Alone until she met Kang and then below that is the quantum realm where people like Bill Murray are and it's like Oh, so where's the engines like that's in the subatomica to so if we say in real life You're like, you know one in terms of sight Maybe I'll say ten in terms of size can you go down to like five at the smallest and then when you went to the void You're like a one and then the subatomica you're like a tenth of that and then the quantum realm You're like a tenth of that I guess And it's so hard to understand because you can keep going bigger and smaller and We're gonna have to talk a lot more about this when we reach the the third act because it gets I don't know What's happening anymore in terms of the sizes? But yes, it's very confusing. He's shrinking over and over again But do you remember like he teleported from? The the quantum realm the Bill Murray place to the subatomica through Kang's little portal, right? Is that a different place or did he just go somewhere else in the quantum realm? Well, it has to be a different place because it was generated with Janet and Kang met and she said she was alone there There was no there's no civilization there Yeah, so I was confused. I thought that she was just in a remote part of the yeah And that's what I thought too So I took it to me that when she jumped off the edge She fell like almost infinitely down and then she hit the quantum realm. I guess eventually That's the thing so the fact that she Specifically mentioned the void and the subatomica and then the quantum realm I assume they threw those in as an attempt to make this somehow make sense Because the subatomica is bullshit. What does that even mean? I think and then it's like the void. Why is there the void? Between the void is between earth and then the other earth that's really small kind of or whatever a light sign I avoid the bottom. Yeah, I don't understand. I don't send any of it And it's like well the thing is we have a problem like what is it? It's like well, there's a there's a film called ant-man that said there was just the void So we gotta we gotta address that somehow Well, that's because he couldn't look far enough at least that's what she made up So there you go and like I think it causes them big problems to have Kang land with her Well, she's a part of this whole civilization They would have to write the story very differently I guess so they wanted them to be alone together and so they have to invent a place That's not the void not the quantum realm not earth where those two can hang out And so I think that's why they called it the subatomic. It was just some bullshit No, I thought it was just at some remote area of the quantum realm because it looks so much The void and the subatomic are that I think but the other thing is she has like weird weaponry that she didn't have before right? So you must have gotten those somewhere You mean the guns? Yeah, she has a guns and stuff Well, the thing is she said she had nobody to talk to so I assume that she built them It's just confused the movie is very confused Yeah, I know I'm joined it gives us all these informations, but they're none of them line up a second I don't know how come team pin is able to fly the ship there That's a great question because this is this is where it gets really confusing you can't have people just Go there you can't have people go from the subatomic or to quantum realm if there are places that require different sizes They can't just go to these places like they're on a map, but unless they are just on a map Yeah, I think that lends some credence to the idea that it's just some Remote area of the quantum realm that it's just somewhere on the map Well, she said that you couldn't see past the void and past it is like what do you think she's referring to when she says subatomic or that point? I don't even know if we see subatomic Your instinct is to consider them as layers like a sandwich where you get smaller and smaller Yeah, or maybe they're all equally small. They're just on top of each other. I don't know I Don't know Okay, no one really really hard to figure out and we do what we can here, okay? I Want to write the writers don't know if you were to ask them if you were to sit them down and say The void the subatomic. Oh, what's the difference between these two? Where are they in relationship to anything? Can you just go there what you just shrink down and go there? Do you have to fly upwards? Are there like floors? Is this like the the nether in Minecraft? What's going on? So back to what Fringy was saying about how in the previous movies there are limitations to how small he could get it seems that Even in the quantum realm he can get smaller. I it does the quantum realm have its own Quantum realm It seems like it does honestly because he can he can shrink to the size of an ant relative to everything in the quantum realm So could he not go even further? Sure, why not? It's not how the movie operates. It seems like you could just go infinitely small forever with no restrictions at all. I God forbid I'd have to watch it again to really try and see if there's anything I can make sense of it But it's too difficult. It's like it seems like they could now shrink indefinitely and be okay Like there's no worry. I don't think it's even worth looking into you're not gonna be rewarded with an interesting answer No, and I think that if you said all this to the writer, they'd start laughing you They'd be like it's about what matters is the characters not this yeah, like silly stuff like that I'm like, I guess I'm really thrilled with the work you did on these characters You happy in your brick Improved top dog anyway He's he's getting lost in all the ant man's it's really sad and the door's like no We can't have that and then and then he starts like Pressing the thing in his ear kind of like he's done in the previous movies when trying to control ants and he manages to unify all of the Scots to Perform in a way that pushes just you're talking about Braveheart for a second The Unified all the Scots What oh right the Scots because there's him does get his freedom They raise him to the top of all of them. They make a giant like ant hill thing and Modoc's like whoa, how are you even doing that? And it just made me think like did you think you would fail and didn't care like you Remember, you're hoping he can do this. This is something you want him to be able to do. It's so weird It comes across as though. He's just like ha ha you're losing Odd but yeah, they all they all push him right to the top and they're like, yeah do it It's gonna be great odd he fires a shrinky thing at it, but it sizzles and falls off Yeah, I have no idea why Reasons because each it that's why and why only fire one and why is it only Scott that's firing can't all of them fire No, why? Because that's not allowed and the writers didn't think about that the technology They used to communicate has to work because that's the payoff. He unites them all with you using the technology So it's like so what the communications work, but shrinky technology doesn't Why if they all just they all fired it would be the exact same Payout wait, you so was that I don't think they're real They're definitely real. No, they're definitely Walking on top of them. Yeah, like they're really in all the ways that matter Maybe they're like metaphors for confidence or something Me I'm confident. I have confidence in sunshine Number I would have helped I have confidence in rain Mola hallucinating again, maybe I'd rather watch the sound of music Oh, yeah, I'd rather I'd rather watch the old nuns pull the spark plug out of the Nazi car and everything I just want to that's a Mola, let's give up and look at me Meme episode food everybody so As they're arriving Hank Janet and Hope hopes like oh I can hear Scott I'm gonna go get him and jumps out of the ship and just start shrinking. Yeah, and it's like what the fuck are you doing? Talk to Janet. You don't even yeah, you have no clue. What's that other Jadis like? Oh? You got little clones of you start to spawn. Yeah, just don't look at them. It's fine How the fuck do you even know what is happening? How beautiful? How do you even know? I guess she's she knows exactly what happens when you go down to a Expanded engine multi-versal thing. She just knows it's like we all do It's absolutely insane. She says don't look at them. They're just possibilities. They're not you. Yeah, it's like I know they're not but I mean The idea that they're all real right mom, but this is like don't look at them People the real like they have feelings. I'll be honest with you man The fact that she says like don't look at it. It comes across and say was like just don't think about it Don't think about it. Don't think about it. Don't think about a morning. Okay Yeah, so that's something to have a conversation about I guess but I'll tell her clones start immediately as she's yeah, she's not even gotten to where Scott is and your clone started up All right, so now you're thinking because you're listening and you've understood everything I have said I know that See like how are they gonna solve this probability problem all these clones everywhere? What are they gonna do and Scott is falling from from his tower of ant-mans because there's little is a little shrinky Got his little shrinky dinker got got brazzled Why didn't they just have somebody be a big one and then they know cuz they die if they go big remember well They could be big but stay small right like they could like they could go big but they could like stay lower I thought it's he went big and then he like reached up into the thing No, it's just being big kills you. That's what I was trying to talk about earlier I don't understand mechanically why you can't be big there, but you just can't oh I thought it was being big, but you like reached up into the thing or you tried to get close to it I thought that's what triggered the spaghetification considering how close he and hope get to it I am much closer than any of the big boys. I would say it's just the getting big there is what kills them But that doesn't make sense, you know Maybe Either it makes no sense or it doesn't make any sense There's a good choice. Oh, yeah, you can choose your flavor of nonsense so that it goes down easier. Yeah, exactly Yeah, nonsense. So before he can fall fully is he she grabs him Good old good old wasp, and he's like oh my god. Hope are you real? She's like I'm real and then it goes to a wide shot and all of their possibilities start going into them and Why It's they So they make this Probability storm they introduce it like like a real thing like a thing that happens in this universe But because they are here now and I don't know because of the power of love they made it stop I think the probabilities are not a factor anymore Yeah They go all undone down to one Scott and one wasp and I legit have no clue what the right I wanted us to think was the reason why But they didn't look cool mutually how they just all it's like a bit big Yeah, but so just said all the Divergent paths converge on we must save Cassie or some such It's like so for one thing none of the wasps are saying that or even know about that And then second anything the scots unifying in a sense of save Cassie is the only reason that Scott has a chance to actually Fire the the shrink at the thing like they need to be there. They don't they can't like, you know Fall into him or whatever that would prevent him to be able to do it. Yes Mahler, this is the movie where the wasp is the least consequential even though there's the most of her. Oh Yeah, there's a significantly large amount of wasps even though she there their impact per wasp ratio is staggeringly small. Yeah Impacts I'm gonna get a drink and I have to poo so you keep talking about the movie Okay They all shrink up Yes, great and then and then Scott and hope just fire away loads of loads of shrinky dinks at the at the engine What looks to be like 15 of them and it's like, oh you fucking idiots. She she expanded it by four So if you shrink it by 15, it's now 11 times smaller Way too many But luckily it shrinks to the exact size they needed to be so it's all good and also they shrink back to the Right-size. Yeah, those guys do too. It's for some reason. They just I guess they did that while it was shrinking again This is it look it all just worked out. Of course it did. Okay I'm very glad it did too It makes me happy. That's pretty cool that I walked out. Oh, that's that's good It makes me well that ends well that probability storm. It's like could I We could be like if we jump down there with let's say the rarest thing ever made on earth and start duplicating our possibilities We then get him back out We just start duplicating materials down there Maybe no snow about this Did they get a sense camera know about everything Does Thanos know that at the center of the universe, whatever that means there's a thing that can grant a wish Does he know about that? Don't worry about it. Yeah, the whole center of the universe you probably like to know about that Yeah, that would have been probably good about easier than getting all the stones This this this this universe is Pretty pretty incoherent pretty good. Well, I'm good Yeah, they arrive and they clearly have no plan nor do they even attempt to like formulate one other than scots Like I made a deal with Kang I gotta give him this and then you'll give me the order back and then Jan is like, oh, well, you know You can't can't be doing that though. He's just trust me and it's just like I don't know why she doesn't say it immediately But it's like it'll destroy the entire multiverse if you give him that that's what you need to do He says it because it's like no you can't do that. We'll get here later. I promise Yeah, cuz like Kang tries to offer him a choice again, and it's like he doesn't even know what the stakes are Why aren't you like he doesn't know what he's doing? It's like such an obvious fuck-up in the film that the two times Scott has like a choice to make He doesn't know what he's dealing with except evil guy is saying get me a thing and I'll release your daughter That's it. And it's like well, I mean with them as you've said them. I just that's okay. Yeah, fine That seems almost normal actually Yeah, I was just like but when you explain. Oh, no the whole multiverse is at stake if you do it like, oh, okay Now I understand Yeah, she probably should have told them all probably What no she was sad and then he has a really funny line Kang he says I wouldn't trust her Janet has a way of changing her mind Like what Doesn't everybody change their minds on stuff. What do you mean? Happens like when they discover that you're evil. I just like the idea that the super obviously evil person who threatened to torture his daughter Is like I wouldn't trust her Okay, bro, I'll listen to you again You've always come across is so trust with a gag Oh This is the point where you kind of wonder like with his super suit Can they take him and it's like well apparently not right because he could use telekinesis and fuck with them However, he wanted to at the same time as well, right or you can do as many as you want as far as I know Yeah, just needs a finger to do it. It's crazy What I was trying to highlight was that they'll probably lose a fight with it But I guess really bad because they decide to fight him They both shrink really down like down really small wasp at that man They both go to punch him and he literally flicks them with his finger and they both They're out. They're done GG. I assume it's supposed to try and evoke the sense of like flicking a bug and being like wow Look how powerful he is but the problem is like he doesn't kill them. He just leaves them Exactly, he doesn't even check on them at all. He just was like, yeah, I got my shit now Janet come with me. We're going home That's the thing right they try and cover the tracks with that in terms of writing Which I said it does happen in this movie more so than the other two in our examples of everything going to shit those films He says, um, you left me here to die. Let's see how they do which is again more evidence I think for the idea that they're in the subatomica Rather than he said god this movie is confused. It really is. He's saying like it's hard to survive in the subatomica So I'm gonna ditch them here even though they have a ship. I guess he sent modok to destroy Hank ship. That's the idea with that. I don't know Which is happening too by the way. He's like holy shit darin. What the hell happened to you? and then yeah modok also is Really wants him to see him instead of just destroying the ship immediately without being seen because he's a stupid Fucking ego driven little monster. That's like the whole character. I guess And he's like I am the ultimate weapon That's a funny part. He should he should be able to do that and still win easily with all the weaponry Yeah, you know, honestly, it feels like he should have been able to just fucking wipe out hank and the ship Yeah, easily just like rocket pots and lasers, but He always used those shitty fucking Uh, oh, yeah blades. It's like what are you doing? What's up with that? You are especially his acronym is What it's machine Mechanism design You think you'd be really good at it if you're gonna specialize You know, I feel like you should be good at the thing you specialize at now This is really creepy cool thing happens Cinematically where janet goes to run after hank, but she stopped in her tracks and he's discovered like oh kang's using his telekinesis Are so scary and then like forces her to come back with him to his evil lair And I was just thinking to myself like Okay, so you janet you stand in there You got scott has got the engine hope is there kang grabs the engine off Uh scott then they both get knocked out and you see in the background hank has crashed in the ship You know, there's kang escapes with that engine. It's the end of the multiverse So what do you do? And she starts running off to see if hank's okay Yeah, and that ship crashed like pretty far away. Yeah, like it would take a like an hour to run to him at least Yeah And I just remember thinking to myself like isn't there like I know I hate to say it but like Hank's dead if Either way if if if you let him get away with that engine But she like completely forgets about it. I guess and you could argue. It's like yeah, she really cares about a hank and you're like, okay Pretty smart girl seems a little bit weird You're a smart girl not enough to not cheat on him, but Oh God damn. Jesus Christ calm down. True. That was horrifying. By the way, someone someone uh Uh dm me That the way with the whole cheating stuff. It's kind of fucked up Okay, uh Time-wise because apparently they've rewatched a movie Uh But apparently endgame fucks up the endman series because the court It correct me if i'm wrong. I didn't check that. I just found interesting if that's true So according to end endgame five years is only five hours in the quantum realm Uh, it depends on where you are in the quantum realm Yeah, it's they've changed their mind on a lot of these things. Oh, okay It kind of opened the door to it being anything They just don't even like know they say in the movie I think hanks says the asphal to a time dilation. That's all he says They got their time extended. All right, so they if you bring that up she was getting dilated in a well I think you just say it was incredibly lucky for all of these characters that they landed in a place Where the time was basically one to one that of the universe Yeah, like with earth because if not could you imagine if they came back and it was like a million years later that'd be I'd be lame for them, wouldn't it a little bit Because apparently with those rules Without those time dilations she would have only begun for like 30 hours or something I Was already inconsistent with that man too because janet aged normally. Yeah, I the thing is Ant-Man It's not the one you rely on for very consistent rules. It never has been Quantum we don't understand it so good. Therefore we can do whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, we don't understand it That's why it makes sense that all the most convenient things to us happen. It's like, oh, okay Put the word quantum in front of it Most people just be like, oh, I don't know what that is So I guess in that case that just emphasizes that nobody has a clue what actually happens when we're down there They like to say that they do Well, yeah, if you just make up time dilations and bullshit, it's like, yeah I can make shit up too. It's pretty easy void. The void subnautica I went into a quantum realm that gives me unlimited power. That's why I won There we go. Nice. I am me disney. I can do it. That's fortunate I want some millions of those dollars Oh Um, so yeah, think about this, right? Kang he's got exactly what he wants now and the only people that have even Begun to annoy him and have the kind of technology that might be able to beat him are all there and and uh He's he's actually like if he was a man of his word, I guess You could judge that from this being that he's not giving the daughter back Even as a line where he says, uh, she'll be fine without you which is really strange It's like wait, are you saying you're going to keep her alive, but you're not going to let it come back to scott? Why? You know what I mean? Like if I don't know if I think it would have been actually way more interesting if kang had said like opened a portal dropped in Cassie and said, you know, this was the deal Now we're done. You know, I'm done Stay out of my way. Yeah. Yeah, that I actually would have bought that way more because instead He's like I'm going to keep cassie and not kill her I'm going to knock out hope and scott. I'm going to make it so that hank is probably dead and I'm going to kidnap janet But not kill her It's like what the fuck What what what is he want? What what is all this? I don't really I don't know. Uh, I've showed them how powerful I am. There's no way they're coming for me Nobody would be that stupid. Yeah, I capture all of them kill all of them or leave them all in the like Why have you clunkily done all these different things to different people? It's so annoying because if he had just killed, uh, hope and scott right there, he wins Yeah But uh, no, I wouldn't do that That would it's such a it doesn't want to win that badly his character wouldn't want to win that badly It's funny how well dr. Evil and awesome powers and shit that ages with the With scott evil being like I have a gun in my room. We can kill them right now Yeah, you don't understand scott He's like, you know, I'm gonna watch them. They might escape. He's like no, I'm going to assume it all went to plan They still do it to this day and it's not because it's uh, it's a trope that everyone does because it's just like no It's just shitty writing. It's a shitty solution. I just can't think of a reason. They put these characters in these situations And they're like, I don't know. Did this evil monologue they just trapped. I don't know Shut the fuck up Do you think they uh instead of I don't know. So maybe They could have decided at this point like, oh Shit, he's way too powerful right now. We need to game plan. We need to regroup. We lost here Maybe just let them run away and regroup instead of You know, even getting them into the situation they're in right now I might have had it so that they all fight him together. He doesn't kill them But he says like You fucked up the deal now scott But i'm gonna let you live Because of janet or something you like call. He says like janet. I still Like he calls the fact that's like you're the reason i'm able to and you know what fucking have can contextualized it as he's saving the world Stop making it seem like he's like, I like being evil. Yeah I don't want to do this like actually make it to where he doesn't want to do this Yeah, and say that i'm gonna spare them because he fucking cares about janet cared about his story Instead of whatever the hell they went with because yeah, um There's another editing thing He he walks janet into the portal with him and then the next we see them She is being walked from prison to him and his throne Yeah, what again one of these weird things where they do that You know that there was a scene between those or maybe fucking five and they were all cut Didn't test ball with audiences those scenes So it works they show them scene by scene and they have to like press thumb up or thumb down That'll decide whether or not they're very cut from the foot. Yeah, it's like a coliseum, but for making movies Um, so yeah, then they have a conversation and this is another one of those ones that's clearly been chopped to hell So he's like you never told me what you saw, you know when she touched his neuro linked ship And she says I saw a monster who thinks he's a god and his response to that Is when you can see time the way I do you don't get to close your eyes Okay, I don't think that answer No, not at all like I get it like you can't ignore it is what you mean, but that's yeah, it's not really Not really helping like this is another instance where it can't be like, okay. Listen. This is what actually is happening Like shit is fucked and I need to do this to to to Reach a balance never does something Especially if he has some kind of rapport with her if they've been together for a long time working on this thing together Yeah, what if they had ended up having like semi romantic relationship? Like that would never he never does and you know what I think what they're doing they're gonna keep this a quote-unquote secret until dynasty of kang avengers and then they're like What he was doing this thing so everything doesn't fuck up and then we're gonna make it this big deal And it's it's super obvious But they think it's really smart. I think it might just be something like that. Yeah um Because it continues she says in so he says when you can see the time the way I do you don't get to close your eyes And then she says you're the only one who sees And again, it's like what I don't know. I don't even know what that means I don't know any of it does and then he says I'm the only one the cad see it's broken You're like, oh, okay. Okay. It's the time is time is broken I'm yeah times broken. I guess And who broke the world is broken I don't know mcu jesus. I don't I don't know if it's just intrinsic to the way that this fucked up cosmos is at this point It's such a I hate the conversation so much because I'm just sitting like what the hell do any of you mean Who's responding to what and then he says I did Every version of me my variance across the multiverse. I saw how it ends Chaos spreading across realities universes colliding endless incursions. I saw the multiverse and it was dying And again, I'm just like what? How do universes collide? I don't know The impression we got from Loki was just that a bunch of kangs sort of took control and then all wanted to have ultimate control But apparently like multivisual walls happen. I guess As they do It's I don't know if it's at this point in the movie But there's some point where he shows this little diagram where it somehow times like a big circle that's branching off And then there's another one hologram on top of it And then they're crashing into each other like see look they're too close together. They're gonna bump into each other What What the fuck is that? Look at my diorama. I have two cycles Then I push them together. There's not enough room Equals bad. Yes. Yeah Very straightforward. I wish Janet would have been would have gone like oh, where's the quantum room here? Is that somewhere in between there or is that he's right there? Then she goes subnautica No, that's the game The game janet people It's better in other universes. Yeah, I legit want just one I want a character in the mcu that just starts asking all these questions and I'm just like, what do you mean? It's just right there. It's like, no, no, well, it doesn't make sense because of that. It's like, uh Tell you what you can make them very likeable very quick if you have them doing that. Yeah What was it y'all complained about anything? Yeah Yeah, but fuck that's why no, we don't we complain about things that are stupid and shit Anything that's stupid. We'll complain about it for sure We won't complain about anything just anything stupid um So then then she says you mean you started a war and you want to wipe away any universe that's a threat to you That's what monsters do Now there's so many ways you could respond to that. All right You could be like muslin us. Yes. Yeah, you you could be like, okay. Well, you know, uh, yeah I guess I valued my universe over another one that was attacking mine. Yeah, sure And so I wiped them I wiped them out before they could wipe us out or something like that But he says no, that's what conquerors do they bid the broken world and make a new one It's like oh, that is not what okay. Listen. That's like, okay. See you evil. We're into mountain of skulls territory here I drowned him in skulls and it didn't work. I just don't understand Skull drowning step from the open grave to try and pull him in and somehow he he got scared by that When I told her I was going to burn away the current world in favor of a new one She seemed to not like understand how good that is. I just Got women. Am I right? They just don't get it She's anti-burning. I apparently judged her. I thought she would have been pro-burning I thought they wanted a guy who's passionate Um, and so then she says you don't care about saving anything or anyone You only want revenge because they beat you because you lost Again, this is a moment for you to be like well me losing means my whole universe dies So, yeah, I don't want to lose you kidding me You know, you can have her actually like a dress up instead. He says I have lost you have no idea what I've lost And at this point, I feel like we just need the moderator to step in and be like guys guys We're going way off topic here Guys you're circling the conversation not much is being achieved. There's a couple fallacies in here I'm spotting and I swear that that was a strawman bit earlier there from Janet. I'm just saying Changing his argument in the middle. You know, it's just a docking points for that Yeah, just keep it keep it friendly guys. Okay. You have a discussion like some adults here. You know Put your time out for 30 minutes. All right, okay time if you see time out as I do Okay, that's it you're going in So He says I will burn them out of time for what they've done to me and then she says You'll be wiping out entire timelines murdering trillions of people Very strange that she would go with trillions, but it's just like just infinite at that point, right? Infinite, you know, I mean, I guess if you're good, it's like a lot and it's fine You don't want to go too high. It's like in austin powers 3 where he says vermilion, fulfilling, gajillion, bajillion Yeah, the problem is if people listen that go, wow, that's that's a lot and then it's like guys the universe is It's big really big Um, so anyway, billion cars in the universe Her yed. Yeah, he ends it was saying yed Hey guys, uh, she's like she he says all that. Sorry Well, she says all the whole mill murdering trillions of people think and again He could try and move the conversation in a direction That the sort of focuses on the whole like it needs to be done to prevent a greater bad Or that these people Are going to destroy her will just as well as his it's the same world or something, you know something But instead he says I wish that mattered janet I was like really that's that's There's no tact literally trillions of lives ending. I wish that mattered janet Okay What was the point of this conversation? I don't know. She basically Is her being like you're evil that he's like, yep Yeah All right, then I wish that mattered janet You always wanted to be I wish that mattered janet Yeah, janet She's like, why doesn't no one call me Call me the wasp. It's my cool name. It's like, uh, that's very sorry Karen name. It is. Yeah So that's the end of that scene Hooray gained a lot finally some good news Well, it's just unfortunately that means a different scene is going to start up. Uh, god damn it. Yeah Do you see kassie who is currently under under, you know, she she's captured by those robo soldiers who I guess would have taken her from Where she was when she was watching scott in the Probability storm now she's being dragged back to prison and of course she has all of her technology Like why wouldn't she naturally make sense of it let her keep all of it Need a movie. Yeah Now, um, it's really bad this scene. I I just wanted you guys to strap in for this one You see about four soldiers. I want to say Five meters behind where she and these two are who are just standing there And they are still there when she Throws a shrinker and a grower on on both of these do all one each for the dudes One of them gets so big he crashes through the ceiling and the other one gets so small She can kick him and he's knocked out I guess one of them becomes ultra powerful and the other one is dealt with and so No rags, it's fine because the one that got big he just he doesn't move at all literally. Oh, he not only does not move He becomes imperceptible Yes, he's he's uh, he does actually disappear. Um, not only seemingly in the edit like you think he would have shown up Where but we were was but several more guards walk on to the onto the area and she goes small And so the film's like, ah, they can't see it because she's small Like, yeah, but there's a big-ass guy right there There's a massive pair of legs sticking through the ceiling in the middle of the hallway and they just don't notice I guess, you know, I guess we're standing so incredibly still So, um, that's yeah, just really solid scene real great excellent. Good job guys I loved it. Um, and then and then we find out the big twist and we can finally talk properly about it Hank is okay as is scott as is hope and their ship is repaired How you ask Well, because the ants from the opening in their little High-tech farm where they were doing everything themselves as hank said just evolving and designing technology on their own They fell into a time dilation field that pushed them Tens of thousands of years forward to be more they're a very what do you say type 2 technocratic society or something? Yes, yes, which which is basically they they have mastered the uh, the ability to harvest energy from their own star It's really really advanced You know, just posted three question marks like yeah Yeah What part of this doesn't make sense And he's he's just like, oh wow my answer just During all of this have become the biggest the deus x antenna that you could ever imagine I'm gonna happen. It's gonna save the whole storyline. It's gonna be great Yeah, no idea why the hell any of that happens, but it did It's not an exaggeration guys It's literally the ants come in save the day out of nowhere Because they and no one else who went down to the quantum realm fell through a time dilation field Nope of of what tens of thousands a year. That's really sad because they need a lot of time to advance Yeah, a lot. I mean, I know they're pretty smart ants, but it's gonna take them a long time How much are we betting that they forget about these and they will never come up again? Even though they extremely powerful allies they might come up once or twice for a joke later joke Yeah, that'll be it. They won't actually impact the story the fact that you have this hyper advanced mega civilization of like selfless ants um It's not gonna be a thing Man, it's a shame because I think that I don't know. I like the ants. There's some of them I was like, oh look at them go all those little ants Working hard and they got their little they're the little god person who made him this way and they never forgot about them And they probably got like statues of him back home and antropolis And you know, they're just they're doing their best and they're really Well, so I don't know silenced which I guess is also lucky that they didn't just move on from him Oh, yeah, someone's just highlighted the big problem that I don't know if you you were sort of highlighting that as part of What you were saying mel, but now you just take the ants back to earth and solve everything ever. Yeah exactly They stay in the quantum realm, it's fine. Oh and what kind of technology you got Just feel like you got some good technology to use Yeah, a little bit to be honest with you with how they described they probably should have had the kind of technology to just The flick of a switch win the day, you know, so yeah, whatever, but In any case, he says we're gonna be doing this and it's all great And he's describing how it all worked and they fixed the thing and they're about to get ready to take on the Take on the bad guy and he says, I mean, I know socialism is a charged word But we could all learn a lot from these And and he's cut off with hope saying dad Um, yeah, don't be cringe. Yeah, I don't I don't remember Like I think is the joke supposed to be like, uh, oh hangs off on one of his socialism rants again Which is like something he does No This is big cringe. Yeah huge cringe. I don't just like so visible Wasn't funny, but then you're like, wait, will you try to make a point? And then it's like the technocratic class 2 ant species civilization is evidence of the value of socialism What? I thought that seems like a complete backfire if any point was trying to be made But if it's just supposed to be funny, um, I don't think anybody laughed with it, you know, no A bit of a weird one uh There's so many jokes that have been made about it the thanky sanders thanky But also like ants have queens Yeah, so they're monocles and like no individuality Well, and let's just say judging from the other ant I like how it's just like let's get real movie ants are not socialists, all right They're actually constitutional monarchy I don't understand why hank would say it. He's like the one that's hereditary monarchy He loves the fact that no, I'm making a meme. Nobody gets access to his property Like he gets his you know, he's like what he creates is the ant parliament I want to see what ant parliament looks like, you know, you got the room you got the house of Representatives and then you got all of the all of the ants and they're like here here, or I guess if they're ants, maybe it's like Whatever sounds ants make whatever they can communicate with like smells or something. I don't know Yeah, I'll vote because you do what the queen says To be slightly fair to the movie, uh, I think obviously these technologically advanced ants have like Developed into a socialist society. I guess I think the implication is that He's not saying that ants were already socialist or else he would have been saying we could learn a lot from ants I I guess I'm curious about I just want to know more about these ants I just want to know what their world looks like what that's society how it's organized Do they have like a really good social health care like public health care system? Do they have like, um, well, it's funny because that actually that opens up That opens up a whole lot of questions that I'm very curious about what is their investment in all of this What did they have to say about it? It's not even whether or not I I'm happy to believe they do care, but I want to know You know, just what and how many people are they willing to lose to fight a war that's not theirs, you know, like Um, do they know what Kang's intentions are? Is that why they're invested? And if this if so, how? And or is it just hank needs our help Somehow and we have to help whatever hank wants to do will do which seems to be the case Does that make sense though when the but why when there's been tens of thousands of years? Yeah, they seem to have no will of their own at the end Except that they're just here to help and throw as many bodies on the war machine as necessary to help whatever hank wants to do war machine Oh, yeah, I don't know. It's a bit Bit much. It's a bit weird, but okay What a world on we go Um, sorry really quick before we move on I'm still hung up on the fact that how lucky they are that only the ants Went through the time dilation or any time dilation field You can only say it once like as a thing that happens And then you just have to keep repeating it because there's nothing like it's just so shocking that someone would write this Yeah, it's like you haven't highlighted any new problems. You're like, no, I know It's so amazing that that they would write that only hope What if only hope went through a time dilation? Yeah, just fucking died alone as an old lady Oh god, okay damn No time works perfectly well for everyone, but the ants in in the place outside of space and time sure Oh so uh I think they try to construct a plan and uh Scott is like, I don't care who this can guy is. I don't care what he can do. I'm getting cassey And then they're like, well, how do we even the odds? And and Hank's like, well, there's a great writer once said there's always room to grow And Scott's like, you read my book. There's every goddamn word now. Come on. Let's go to work I feel like that's a payoff from a completely different movie. Yeah I've been inclined to agree with you. Yeah, because that's that's quite a huge deal. Uh, yeah If you remember quite like the delivery of him as well In the beginning when he does the stupid thing with a pizza and says I saved eight dollars. We talked about it We don't need to talk about it again Scott says something he looks at everybody says like you're so inspiring or like you're so incredible He says something like really complimentary to him and then later on He says back to scott in the room about cassey. I can't help if people are inspired by me He has like a sort of play on it and I think that that's supposed to be playing in here That it's like there's an equal level of respect to some degree that that he's he's he's read his book And he even found him especially he just described him as a great writer Fucking Hank who's like an asshole to him most of the time or a lot of the time and it's just like Man, that's there's a lot there and you're just not gonna Do anything else with that not going to spend like don't even let it breathe I Apparently that book actually exists in real life now you can buy the Did I mention that last week book you did you? Oh, okay. Mel doesn't like you. I'm sorry. Yeah meadow. That's right. I would say I'm sorry, but I'm not a liar. So Hey, oh Auschwitz but all right German words So Cassie manages to free the try hard lady and she does it because she slams a robot's face into the lock Because that that obviously would do it That just that works that way and it gets even funnier because she does that to break her out And then try hard breaks everyone else out by actually like typing in the codes And I'll remind me who try hard lady is just the leader of the resistance It's like a warrior check Markings on her the try hard, you know Yeah, sure. She has a good name for her, but I don't remember it. Oh, I wonder what her name is I'll need to go go out in a second. She apparently from the comics, but lisa No, that's simpsons. I believe That's different. All names can only be used once true Uh Yeah, like the the the robo gods who all have guns like fucking sprint toward cassie and don't fire until Like she shrunk right next to them and then they just fuck standard terrible choreography as you always get with these We we we have another another Thing where we do the whole oh those are goons. They're not threatening at all. They just die Dude, we don't even know if they're human or if they have any kind of soul or yeah seem like robots Yeah, the way they die. They just like poof away Yeah, they melt away. So you're right some of them fall over but some of them like actually evaporate and you're like What that's right? Yeah, it's like this black and blue sort of poof like it's I don't even know So I don't I mean, it's certainly far more Easy to deal with and having their bodies just pile up everywhere Well, you know that every single time they make any of these films they want it to be that way every time So they're just like just do your little fight thing throw a stick around we'll throw we'll throw it all in later all of them Yeah Um Oh, yeah, dude, did anyone else catch this pie really really cringe. I think um I saw because I've seen gary's video on out man. I think he caught it um So fucking strange. She she she sees her get out of the prison cell the tryhard lady and cast he's like Wow Like when when she looks at her she just does that you're like, okay And then it cuts to tryhard lady. She kicks one of the robots. That's all she does She just kicks him and he falls over and then it cuts back to cast and she goes damn you are cool Yeah, I call that so cringe. It's like, oh, what are you doing? She didn't do anything amazing. You are way more amazing than her. What do you mean? The writer is just it's like, yeah, they're pretty cool, aren't they? It's the writer declaring their own character's cool Yeah Which uh, it's pretty pretty lame like basically all the time Don't do that being cringe So, uh, then then we will we answer the third act and kang is giving his speech to all of his evilmans time to To ascend to the the the overworld. He's like the underminer in Incredibles. He's tired So he says today we ascend from this fortress. I will take my revenge on those who banished me today. We conquer eternity I was thinking to myself like wasn't that what the center of the universe was called eternity? Yeah in Thor. Oh, maybe that's where he's going. He wants to go get a wish Yeah, then he goes there and he's like wait the wish is done. What was it? And it's like some guy he wished that his daughter was okay Okay That's another thing I kind of want to happen where some evil man wants to use that thing And then there's someone else already did it and it's gone. It's like what is it used for? It's like, yeah, this dumb shit. It's like, oh his whole movie is getting there then right the end He realized it's like maybe the wish wasn't that important. Maybe it was truly the friends he made along the way They were probably big for a way better movie, but you know Where are we here so many things that happened all at once he's that speech It's interrupted it does get into sorry. That's what I was thinking about was um He's talking to all of his foot soldiers about how they're gonna be like taking over and stuff, but How do you envision that would even work? I was starting to think about like all those flashes of him like shooting and having like fights and stuff It's like, why is any of that happening? I thought the nature of him Erasing timelines was like dropping those grenades or you know, you know, I mean like Why why why would he need an army of robots? What do they do? Where do they go? Conqueror needs an army They're robots or are they people? I don't know whatever soldiers But I don't I don't know I I don't understand because I'm trying to think you know like Kang at his prime He had full control of the timelines in the form of the tv a question mark. I think Well, because I guess we're gonna find out and Loki, right? Like maybe there's another Kang Guess so I guess there will be right. We know that there's a lot of them I just mean like what what where do the robots factor in what what fights do they go and have? I don't know. Is he pour them all into the tv a building or something? Yeah, where'd they come from? Why do they listen to them? Are they on board? Who knows who they are? They're people to kill Okay, yeah, so his speech gets interrupted and Cassie gives an incredibly Good speech that it was very encouraging and super suitable and nobody at all in the cinema and the audience were wondering Why the fuck is she speaking? I mean, she was wondering why she's even speaking. Yeah Because she goes to rebellions. I wait. I thought you got to do the speaks like no you do it It's like no, that's a horrible idea She says he's not invincible. I know it might feel like it's too late Like all we do is lose but the family I've lost taught me to keep fighting and if they were here They would too. We need to look out for the little guy. My dad taught me that What everyone said who are you? Yeah, what what is what's happening? Who said weird big lady? And the implication is like this is a world, you know ravaged by this Fascist government formed by Kang and all these cool innocent little alien people are like living in Nasty times and she's just gonna she's gonna unite them with this Speech and get them all to overthrow this this horrifying government. I just told us like who the fuck are you? exactly That'd be like well my family taught me that we should fight. It's like, oh I don't care. This might be a trap like hey, look me alone That's like we need to look out for the little guy. Who? You guys don't know this but there's an overworld and they're all bigger than you So you're the little guy you're actually the little is that what she means like we all need to look out for each other And if so, I mean obviously Kang is the you know the big guy and they're all the little guy Oh But she means when she says look out for the little guy she really means look out for yourself kind Look out for numero uno Then they start pelting here with micro tomatoes, right? No That'll be amazing. They get encouraged by her and start a revolution Like I said, I have no idea why it even looks like she dies on that recording It does Okay, I guess all these uh holograms that there's like multiple machines all over the quantum realm You know what I mean? No, yeah to project to project because the projector because We see it in different places and first I thought oh, he's just that big so you can see it from afar But we see them approaching The base with the tv's you know somewhere else. I mean, yeah Broadcasted on channel one or whatever All made sense everyone was watching showed a bunch of characters we met throughout. It was great I guess Would have been nice to have known what bill murray would have thought and maybe he would have been joining them in the revolution Or something because maybe maybe he said yeah, if you can save my you know daughter or whatever But nobody cared to find out they just had him get thrown away by an alien He hit his camp cameo. Let's go away. He got paid. He got paid for his Two minutes of the film. He's an old man. He's tired now. He picked up his paycheck. He's gone Yeah, there's that whole thing or he's like, yeah, he can be very persuasive is that we just said then go anywhere Fucking know what's happening. Who knows Uh, because when people needed help he didn't look the other way and neither do we come to the tower fight back I know you've been waiting now is the time he can't take all of us I'm telling you man. It's not an encouraging speech Yeah, you sure he has paper rising lasers Some of you may die Maybe all of you who knows All of you may Yeah, cassie, uh She does all that and then kang is like wow, she fucking interrupted my speech. What a bitch modoc go kill her How are you angry? He's nice and upset about and it's like why is she alive anyway Why what what was the purpose and it's like well now i'm gonna kill her you like okay I guess and um then uh modoc turns up and he's like it's time to die cassie and then she's like Oh, yeah and goes small and they start having their fight and it's like wow Why didn't you do that when you first met him? Instead of just giving up. What was that about? It's their first day Yeah, I mean the whole movie doesn't really happen if they Oh We keep running into that problem Um, oh, yeah, did you remember as well? He's chasing her and and he's like cornered her sort of and she said He says your dad's not here cassie, but I guess that's not a big surprise Like damn dude. Okay, we wrote rude Just it just seems really unnecessary It's like you He referencing the fact that he went to jail and that's why he missed a lot of your life in the first film and then And then he went to the quantum verse and he was out of your life for five years, but again these aren't It's just it's just like a weird low blow Okay It's like well, he's a dick so it's in character like okay And then ant-man arrives You're right. It's really big save the day and he he shouts. He says kang Yeah, we had a deal It's not your movie trope isn't it to scream the bad guy's name Yeah Point and he goes you took my daughter. You lied to me. Our word is our bond without that we're nothing Very it feels like a speech that doesn't belong in this movie Yeah So I guess we made a big deal out of their their deal even though that was the course of like 10 minutes of the movie Yeah, I was barely even a deal at all. It was a big deal to scott. Okay I don't know if it's just me, but I didn't find uh Paul Rudd's angry. No, it sounds fun performance. Yeah, it didn't really work. I can't imagine him angry No, he's just too chill and nice He tried it with the whole like never like don't touch my daughter again. That's just like Yeah, I have to do a few more takes Yeah, um, I think a good a good director could probably get him there, but this one did not So mutely next surely kang just approaches scott Oh, we got someone else to go first someone else. Oh, okay Sorry, sorry a little bit Thought I had a good second chance at kang you can spy against me Yeah, it certainly feels it's it's really funny when people scream somebody's name because everybody's obviously doing the one god So, uh Apparently and you can spot this in trailers and I think it's a really strong theory The original vision this film was probably going to be much more about a big choice That scott was going to have to make and it was to kang was going to offer him the time back with his daughter Uh in exchange, I presume for the engine and probably a promise of I'm not going to destroy the fucking multiverse. Okay, that'd be crazy And um, and then scott would have to you know put aside how much he wants to be there for his daughter to Protect the world from this this guy Which I feel is like a more meaningful choice in line with who he is It feels like oh, that's that sounds like a story. Yeah Yeah, where'd that go? And it's like what did happen? It got chopped out of the fucking movie apparently. I don't know Uh, because the choice came down to I will kill your daughter unless you fetch me a quest item. No No, you will though. Yeah, I will Okay Yeah, I will both It makes me think like oh, I kind of want to see the original like all the raw Footage for the whole film, you know, how much why did that get changed did kevin see that and go? Yeah, someone said all that shit Yeah Anyway, uh, what were you saying mel the first thing you think of are you muted now you whole shit Idiot loser Go and get all your mel insults out while he's not here Jeremy. Oh damn it. He's back. I just the best food arrived. What do you want? Uh, you were saying I have completed my thing that I want to say so now it's your turn, I guess Oh, I said so surely kang now just leaves his his little pod goes to scott and kills him immediately, right? Oh, yeah vaporization laser. He could probably even snipe him from the tower to be like, oh, yeah Bro doesn't need to go there. He just goes like and then he went right Yeah, considering that we're told he like destroys entire timelines like yeah powerful must you be if you can destroy entire Timelines bear in mind that spider man and iron man and war machine took down ant man Like it they took him down It was kind of hard, but like, you know, well, yeah I don't say it's hard because they didn't want to use lethal. They wanted to exactly If they were allowed to immediately fucking annihilate and they probably would have sent the lasers after him, right? The big choppy laser from Iron Man 2. Yeah, stupid choppy So just for reference though everybody kang like has a laser that just like disintegrates like war of the world It's like with the the tripods like it just disintegrates them. Yep. Yeah, it's really good It's really strong. Yeah very effective Um, selectively might even say it's like his best weapon. I guess Yeah, he uses it. He uses it for maybe He uses it for several characters. We do not know the names of Yeah, all this if you don't have a name Oh, you're getting lazy Oh, yeah, that's how it works in a Marvel movie. If you don't have a name Good luck. If you don't have a face, you're done. You're finished That's why they keep taking the helmets off Yes, you can stay alive Yes, I'm famous. Okay, it's like, ah, you are famous. That's okay Uh The there's a there's a moment around here. I think it's when they see uh, scott arrive mo dock and cassie like distracted And then she notices he's distracted So she hits the shrink on a on a suit when his fucking helmet is still not on And I just I saw and I was like Like I thought that I thought it was a requirement But I guess not whatever we just we just shrink and grow No matter what in any scenario like the ant-man tech is just it's just Whatever she's turned into girl mo dock She shrinks everything except the head just like whoa drag again. She's trying to run with a tiny body It just spins around in circles Like Gandalf on the floor Um So, um This is kind of what I was talking about earlier about Sort of seal it off here. What does it mean for abad to be big here? I don't know because he's very small You know when he goes big in our universe relative to his normal size. He's like much slower Uh The mass is all extended and so it's like controlling this this unyieldy thing Meanwhile when he's a slow, uh, you can assume maybe that things are running quicker and it's like It's like something that they imply as a sort of rule, I guess You've got less inertia So Like so you could move around quicker when you're smaller but when you're big you got to move around all that Extra mass is you know got more energy to it and he has that same big person inertia when he's Like smaller than oxygen particles Yeah Why? They treated us though this payoff is he's gone bigger than ever It's like but he's actually incredibly small. Yeah, the smallest. He's ever been Is it just relative to where he is? Well, that's clearly what they that's what I'm saying though is the from what we've seen before that's not how it works Fair don't don't pick about it because uh Big him in our world versus big him in small world Is mightily different in terms of his like pov and biology and yet he's moving as slowly in both I don't understand relative to gravity Relative to gravity, but gravity would be the same Wouldn't it I don't even I sometimes I don't see why I understand this Yeah, I don't think gravity would be any different in the quantum realm, right? Unless the way that I don't know I would assume so the way it's shown It's exactly the same, you know in the way people human beings run around. It's it's all the exact same Anyway, uh he So like yeah, he's there and Kang is like all right send the things after him And it's like they launch a whole bunch of like ships like just just flying ones that shoot stuff And for some reason as it always seems to work they shoot stuff at him And he just like holds up his arm or whatever and like they just don't do anything Like his suit is like john wick arm or whatever Now he he can just he can soak that up now because he's bigger Which yeah, it's just like what? And why wouldn't normal Kang is losing like weird future tech Yeah established that he has like crazy established powers Centuries ahead of ours Centuries ahead of something. Yeah Which is a lot by the way Oh, he gets fucking blasted centuries. That's like going from the game boy to the switch Whoa, whoa centuries in between them hard to believe I can remember them, but yeah, I know it's insane. Whoa That game wasp Space age So those those all the ships coming because we're in like a fun action scene He's like, okay, here we go and wasp is on his shoulder as normal size and she's like keep going scott I got him and then she like fires her thing at one of them and says, yeah, come on It's like, oh, wow. Look at this action scene. Yeah Literally, right? I was using the word correct literally 15 seconds later She then says scott. I can't hold them Right. Yeah, it's pretty fucking funny. Not gonna lie. It's very overconfident I just it's such a stupid action movie trope that he was like, I got him and she's like, I don't got him Oh god, that is like oh, that's a comedy beat, but it's just it's played seriously in this because they What actually happened probably was they had a big action scene Or they sent like two or three after him and she took them out And then they sent a whole bunch more and she couldn't handle those that something like that Yeah, something changed and yeah Because it is it just seems weird. Oh, it's really weird. It feels like it's all just chopped together Um, yeah, and I don't understand they had it's like I meant to have a joke there or something, but there was no joke Like I said, if you play it correctly in another like a more parody movie, it could be a pretty good joke I think you'll find jokes like that even in stuff like stalwart's I'm trying to think of a reference where it's like, I got him and it's like, I don't got him like that I mean the joke in endgame you remember when spider-man's fighting the space dogs and he's got the gauntlet He's like, yeah, I got this. I got this. I don't got this. Like it's just immediately apparently Can't do it but in this like I said if you watch it, it's it's like two different action scenes Chopped together and they didn't realize that she had said those two different things in those two scenes That was an indiana jones joke right where he runs out with the sword and then there's a whole bunch of them And then he runs back. That's a that's a more subtle one. That's a more subtle one Not quite what we're going for the spider-man one is pretty much What I was thinking about I don't know if there's ever been another one like that in the mcu before Oh Is there a bit like that in the mummy Rags you've seen that recently I did see the mummy recently and uh Yeah, I saw that recently. All right All right, where are we So, yeah, uh, there's like 50 of those ships and they're all shooting at scott and it's not doing anything to him No, why He big that's a lot of that's a lot though, you know, that's a lot, you know It's big But if you considered that he big well in any case he's fine because the army of living buildings and random creatures from the quantum realm All arrive right now at this very moment all together. They all just came together exactly the same time That's that's how that works. You know, they didn't have any problem getting together and getting the ships together in their respective areas of the world where all of them were under like robot control if you remember there's like all robot sentries everywhere and It's fine. They've broken through all of those and they all arrived. I love someone said living buildings. What it's like We have to re-explain everything it's so horrible Uh So they just arrive and they start winning it's great. It's so great But then drama they can only get so far because a bridge has been taken away It's like rolled back and I immediately was like, didn't you you're you're on ships The bridge thing what's happening and it's like Well, because they got off their ships and then they there was a bridge that got taken away. It's like, oh get get back on your ships There you go. Instead of just standing there and getting shot like get on But luckily for them on the other side tryhard is there and she kills a bunch of the droids and she's like Tell me the bridge code and he's like, I'll die before I tell you that And then the mind reader's right next to her and he goes, oh the bridge code is like 1a blah blah blah And then she's like ha ha and the robot's like damn it. It's very funny Why is mind reader man there? I guess he he has been captured as well in the first scene and they got got them out of prison Did they they did they show this? They didn't show this but they said they said it's like Oh, we need to get to the comms and also get everyone out of the prisons that can fight I know that because we definitely saw them releasing people. I'm willing to believe there was more than that But I thought he got out in the uh In the opening battle. I didn't realize he got captured Well, see I thought the the flare person got captured, but he comes on the ship. So yeah, I don't know Yeah, I don't know he's there and they did and someone just said wait you read a robot's mind. It's like I don't know man I guess it's not a robot. Is it not a robot? I don't know Oh Also rebellion lady jumps into frame from like from the top But when they see the white shot, there's not nothing remotely close She could jump off without dying. Why wouldn't kang have conscripted and captured telepath man? That's like the most powerful thing ever and it's like, oh Let's yeah, let's get yeah Yeah, that's pretty true Also, you probably want to control the only source of communication ooze That that seems like something you'd want I can assume only assume that there are entire Concentration camps and that are just full of mining the communication ooze And that's it loads of abs I can Can only assume right? That's what makes sense, right, right, right So anyway anyway The um the bridge is open back up and they all run across it and it's so exciting It's like can they truly defeat kang? I certainly hope so They shout and like burn it down stuff. It's kind of funny So Like I said, it's it's all just everything there's so many questions about how any of this would ever work But it just it's all just like this is what's happening now. So shut up Yeah, you never really I don't feel like you really ever get the impression that these are people fighting back against some sort of A tyrannical government or anything like that, which is what I guess they're going for Yeah They're just like I don't know there's some people and they were in a war with kang I guess and they lost or he's trying to I don't know Like why does he even care so much to fight against these people if all he needs is the The the engine thingy like why not like why bother because with this infinitesimally small Little teensy weensy civilization is compared to the entirety of the timeline. You're trying to erase or whatever Why do you care? I don't know. I don't know Ridiculous and uh, we get our patented very much Marvel TM joke In this moment We get a Goopy web man runs and you get shot loads of times and then he's like I have holes now And and they all turn into one big hole and he sucks up all the The droid men and they all disappear into his mouth And then the rest of the people are like, yeah Oh, well, sorry just before that this this is the marvel joke It like zooms right into telepath man and he says I didn't know he could do that Yeah It's really funny guys. It's that it's that that's like crystallized for me. That's like the number one representation of modern marvel humor that that moment It's such a like You don't have a joke to tell you just you just want to be like ain't that funny His thing was holes and now he has holes That I think is funnier Like without him being like I didn't know he could do that Yeah, it's very much a that just happened kind of joke It's it's exactly that and it's funny because I don't think there's an example of that just happened in the mcu as a joke Right, I don't think that's an actual quote But this is the closest we've gotten to it and it's years after everyone's been saying that just happened as the example of a bad mcu joke That's such a that's poisoned phrase now. It's it's just don't put it in anything now. It needs time It's time away needs to be put into the vaults for a while before we bust it back out I think that it's it's evidence of uh Desperation almost what you're just like you've told you joke You're like, do you think do you think people know that they know to laugh? Do they know that that's funny? I mean, maybe we should have a character point it out. I don't know That's the that's the mark of good comedy is the feeling the need to have characters pointed out for the sake of the audience You know, I think that's what makes good comedy There's so much bad comedy in this movie Uh, yeah, I think yeah the two times I Think now. I think there were three things not where I laughed before I get there three parts where I was like And one of the hans was at it was the old guy calling him spider-man And I think that was just because of like his accent was just it just was like, um Something charming about that joke Yeah, uh the other one was When the ooze man Uh Asked did you drink my ooze or something? That was just weird and I was like, huh at that Of course the him thinking about how many holes he had and that and that was it. Yeah, this is an incredibly funny Incredibly, uh unfunny movie that was trying to be funny um I mean, it's kind of like Thor 11 thunder. I think it's still the king of trying to be funny, but not being funny at all Probably because that one was trying to do it so consistently. This one was doing it pretty consistently but like What is the ratio of of um, you know Like hit and miss like how how many misses can you have as a ratio before You're in really bad territory as a comedy. What do you reckon? Maybe it's maybe it's not necessarily is it is it hit and miss based on the amount of jokes? Or do you think that the time Is going to be a big factor in that like if you tell Two, if you tell two jokes a minute and every fourth joke hits, you know, you're making people laugh about every You know, I I think the problem is that like people generally have an awareness of like jokes So when they notice that jokes are happening and they're not laughing I feel like people sort of sort of clock that Like if I were to think about If we're talking like really high up in terms of ratio of like of uh, you know swings and then hits We're talking like classic simpsons like monty python like hot fuzz Where you've got like 10 jokes a minute and like nine or 10 of them are hits Or at the very least even if you don't laugh you appreciate it for like how intelligent it was as a joke And then that's like on the higher end and on the lower end you've got stuff like Thor Love and Thunder Where it's like, yeah, they're trying to make like 10 jokes a minute And often it's like none of them hit maybe one of them hits Yeah, I guess I'm just trying to figure out where the line is where it's yeah, I think if you have bad If you have two movies that both have like a like a 25 hit ratio But one is taking way more swings that one would be way more obnoxious You know because you're just spending more time not laughing at something. It's supposed to be funny Regardless of the ratio Yeah, that's that's what i'm thinking I uh I can't think of an example to see how I would feel about that Well, like what yeah like a film because because the extremes are easy It's it's the middle part where it starts to get more complicated Like if you think about a A pretty regular Do you guys ever see the other guys have you you heard of that? Yeah, I've seen it But it was so long ago. I can't remember much about it. Yeah, I I really like that movie But that would be feels like it's closer to the uh to like the middle That would be sort of in the middle area try to figure out how many jokes you go for How many hits and misses and then figuring out what you think about it And I guess there's also, you know, how how funny is any individual joke is like a relevant part too Like if you have a if you have a show that's like, you know, it's mostly hits But it's like As opposed to you know, like i'm thinking about a lot of people are pointing it out from that film aim for the bushes That's like a really funny joke. Yeah That's a really really good joke because that film is is swinging a lot and it has some misses for sure But then it's got a couple of really really funny jokes like that one How much is one really good joke worth? Um one really good joke excuse like six or seven misses I feel like it does I think it does too. Yeah, especially if they're even just like decently spread apart in terms of time in terms of laughs per minute I think that a really good hit makes up for a lot of mess and misses I guess I isn't it interesting to think about um one of the problems that I have with uh You you take something like uh like a big bang theory, right? Where like every second or third line is a joke You often don't get any time at all to have like a scene where it's just people talking and it's advancing character strictly Like it's it's almost as if the shows are pretty insecure. They need to have like a joke every third or fourth line Otherwise, you're not like a funny show Meanwhile, I look at faulty towers, which is kind of similar like most of the time people are saying things that are really funny And it's like well, what's the difference then and I guess it is just as simple as the writing is better in faulty towers Like you're actually laughing because people are saying something funny every three to four lines compared to You know, like uh, I guess you could say more like generic american sitcom And money goes to go ahead Oh Oh When I think about a A show that is consistently amusing But never rarely makes me laugh out loud. I think of mystery science theater 3000 Where I'm constantly paying attention because I'm I'm very often amused by a lot of the jokes But it's it's a it's about more consistent It's the average is decently high But it never really gets to the like laugh out loud This is funny, but not ha ha funny. It's yeah, it's like I'm always smiling Uh oftentimes I you know sensible chuckle But but it's I guess uh consistent I'm I uh, I can certainly value I I really like laughing though like uh, when when something can get me to laugh That's that's like really really, yeah, right? I was just thinking about how it's almost like there's a combo meter for a comedy But if you can keep us laughing, we're gonna come away with such a good feeling Because you guys are like one good joke How far can that go and it's like it's almost like a really big hit But I guess if it's surrounded by several good jokes as well It'll hit even harder Well, yeah, you think about you think about the simpsons and how many good jokes you can have in like the span of one scene And usually there's like one joke that stands out as particularly funny Um, I'm just trying to think about like a sequence that was uh You remember the the the town meeting for the uh for the the meteor like to stop the comet That's gonna just right and then like like you had several jokes there You had the quit stalling. What's the plan guy just getting up and screaming And then you have the joke of every time The little presentation where it's like showing what's gonna happen with the comet It's like flying a little crew drawing a springfield flies towards it hits it and it singles out mo's bar With an arrow pointing to it Yeah, which by the way is a joke on its own But the thing is all of normal people would see that as we're like, huh Quizz is kind of funny, but mo takes it super seriously And then you have the next part where they have like they have a little uh set that they made This is where you talk about the layers of a joke They have a set to demonstrate what they're gonna do to like stop the comet And it's like as the comet is huddling towards the city our rocket will intercept it and blow it to smithereens Why it blows up and then the flame specifically flies over to mo's bar And he's like, oh dear god. No exact same reaction. What are the layers of the joke there? It's like first of all, it's the same reaction, which is funny Um, it's it's the fact that it hits mo's bar again It's really funny. The fact that there is a little prop in there that is signaled as mo's bar Yeah, it's like there's a lot of black buildings around it And that is she says mo's and then it's like the fact that the flame basically like flew out of its way to hit the top No matter what happens when it's bar is doomed It's like it's five jokes in one and that's really really Like they had to have worked really hard for that one There's no way that that was something that they came up with the first time around Yeah, and the and the hard of revising just like with drama. These are a lot of first draft jokes that are in the scripts and uh Some of them are like insecure. Like I said, I I think that's what the the I didn't know He could do that thing is that's just the right of being like I better make sure I signal that that was funny Or that the characters are with you on that one, you know, haha. We're all here We're all having a level of confidence Yeah, it's it's one that we'll keep coming back to but the joke in black out it goes forth where it's like If we if we if we uh happen to trip on a landmine What do we do and it takes like the audience a second to like realize that the joke has just happened It's like there's a moment of silence and then everybody is like, holy shit. Like what? Like what is he just said that's hilarious Yes, and it's like having a level of confidence that your your audience is going to figure it out And even if they don't figure it out. Well, it's tough, right? If the joke is good Then even if everybody doesn't get it, that's fine Almost like double dipping to This particular joke doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me either he gets shot a bunch and he's surprised or He's not expecting to it's like, oh my god I'm full of holes and then he has this power It's like, did he know that he had that power? I'm so confused by that joke He didn't nobody knew that was a thing. It just happened and it's so funny because it's absurd It's very again. I would say that that feels like it has rick and morty dna that joke Yeah A lot of the rick and morty reject kind of joke. Yeah, the whole film is very Uh, sort of what everyone hates about rick and morty. I think a lot of it Delving into the lulso random Uh humor penguin of doom. Am I right guys? Anyone anyone penguin of doom? I don't remember that bringy penguin of doom I don't actually apple opinions bring it penguin of doom Anyone please save me. All right chat. Help me out penguin of doom. You know the reference swear to god I feel like the oldest person here most of the time. It's an older meme sir, but it checks out. Yeah I'm gonna do me. It holds up spork. Yep. That's the one. It's like this post online From I think it was like a girl who was trying to be like looking for friends But the problem is I got to find people who are as random as me holds up sport And then the account name was penguin of doom. Uh, she was who's so random You know, she would just in the middle of sentences be like hi. I'm holding up my spork now. It's like, ah, that's so Lol xd. Yes So random so random old man Well, so anyway, I guess we could uh, we could carry on with the the wonderful story of the antlers in In the quantum of it. It was nice to reminisce about those things that made us laugh Let's talk about whatever this is mania, yeah So, uh, kang turns on the shields in his little capital town center city center place. I don't I don't know and uh They showed janet like noticing How it all works in there and it just reminds me it's like why is she still alive? What are you doing? He's just chilling leave her alone. She's gonna cause problems, but it's fine. It's fine And the guns turn on and they start firing at ant man And of course he takes a few hits and it does nothing and then he just picks up like a building and uses it as a shield It's like, okay, like captain america. Whoo. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah That's a neat Um Oh, that's that's when the big modoc scene comes up. So with everything we've told you guys You must be thinking like it's so cool to see all the pieces come together You know, you know, we're modoc's arcs head and in the same way that you can kind of see the pieces coming together about thor in thor I was supposed to say kratos ragnarok. Uh god of war ragnarok You can kind of see what kind of payoffs we're heading to like with modoc with everything we've told you You're of course expecting the big moment where he has to make his choice, you know Right like he's gonna yeah fight and kassie and And he's like, oh i'm gonna get you and then you know and so so the obvious happens He he blows up a bridge that she was running toward and he's like i've got you now nothing you can do And he opts to activate his big old People sores and he's gonna You know drive right into her and chop her up And she's like, oh god. I hope this works And puts a groovy thing in her I guess suit wrist part of this suit and she grows real big and punches him in the face It's kind of weird because it's like you could have just shrunk You'd be fine He also just could have shot her a billion times before this he also could have shot But but like she escapes him many times just by shrinking It's like why can't you just do that again? And then she's like saying i hope this works So was there a chance that that was just gonna tear you limb from limb I thought they cracked it by now. Why is it that her suit like later generation doesn't have it built in Why does it have to be an experiment for that too? They want it to be like, oh, this is her first time doing it. So like it's risky, but it's not risky It's risky, but it's not at all And yeah, and she just beats him and she just punches him and then he's like I still got you and fires one of his things and she just grabs it and throws him around until he's He's like covered in blood and beaten and just just on the ground be like Then she's like, okay. Bye. It's just like what Okay, then that's that but then he's like hey Oh, yeah, where do you think you're going? Let's go. You think this is over. Come on. Let's go And then she just like walks back. She's like darren stop Just just stop trying to be whatever this is It's like wait, what is happening now? And then he's like The camera just fixes on him. He's like, I don't know what to be Tell me what to be tell me what to be. It's like what and then she says, I don't know Just don't be a dick and he says it's too late. Look at me. I'm such a dick And then she says it's never too late to stop being a dick And that's the scene and then she walks away. Yeah So I was like, what? Modak fans. Sorry Sorry I don't even like I think everyone all over the world is like, what is happening? What are we doing? Um Apparently If you had that on your bingo card for 2023 Yeah, you really got a cash out that you got a cash gamble Some people in my theater laughed at that joke and it made me want to die I wouldn't be able to laugh because I'm too lost on the character. I just don't know what's happening anymore Was he not cartoonishly evil? Was all that was going to change him? So I would say you don't have to do what you're doing. Really? That was it Oh, I guess he didn't really want to do any of this. He didn't want to stop the multibersion I really wanted to disintegrate Scott when he said I'm going to disintegrate you He's just meming Well, all those times he almost killed so well, he did kill so many people in this movie, too I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand. I don't get it. It's all really weird But also like it I felt really weird when he said I don't know what to be tell me what to be specifically because I think I had like I had you know, I can doctor strange where they dream and they they are their multiversal selves I like had a Blink to my multiversal self watching a good vision of this film Where modoc that is like the end of his arc is is is basically realizing that like he's only a monster because He's you know been treated that way brought up that way as a result of the experimentation And that ultimately never knew what else to do He never knew how else to be and that everyone treated him like, you know, shit and the you know some kind of characterization that way and that um No one's ever even tried to speak to him No one's ever tried to do anything with him and a lot of the stuff that he does is pretty neutral or something And so he's just like Look at me like I don't even know what I am What should I be because he's like a horrifying experiment gone wrong sort of thing Like what is he what is his place in the world? And I just for a split like like nano a quantum second. I was like that's tiny I was like, man, this is tragic and I was like, wait, no these lines are supposed to be funny And that I fucking hate them so much for this kind of writing They never take anything seriously and it's funny because we haven't even gotten to the part about modoc that people feel this way about We're not there. Yeah We're not we're not quite there. God. I hate that scene so much Yeah, it makes me kind of angry. Yeah So like, yeah, I guess he's a You know, I was about to jump the gun a bit But like the idea with that scene is that he's actually cassie's convinced him now to rethink his position in this story Yeah by saying you don't have to be a dick. That's what she did It's that simple people have compared this with Jensen's line I ever would say like, you know Make sure you do something with your life It's just like No standards have dropped so cataclysmically low. Just don't be a dick like, okay Dara doesn't have a character. He's just a fucking joke We'll find out more about that soon enough Um, so ant-man goes really small and is picked up by hope who then throws him and he goes really big And I guess the momentum is maintained through all of that which makes him smash through the shield I don't I don't really know what to do with that. I don't know how that would work. I guess it would work Would it work? I don't know I don't know. He just kind of crashed into it and then it everything breaks I was just thinking to myself like surely artillery would be much more much more effective than a guy running into it and I know he's big but I don't know whatever that that's the thing that breaks the shield fine. We did it um And then I think jaddett is like it's over and the cat goes it's never over or something I think he says like that's the one thing you don't understand and it's just like Gosh, he's so generic. It's not fair. You could have been something Um You could have tried It actually makes me wonder though, how are they going to be able to get rid of kang once this arc is over? These phases are over. How do you erase him from the story when his whole thing is that he always turns up, you know And there are infinite kangs who are all a threat apparently Don't forget the council Yep So kang's mad very mad and then all this has happened as you would obviously be his whole everything's falling apart For what seemed like insane nonsense reasons Well, maybe don't just sit there you fucking moron. Well, okay fine. You know what he gets mad He jumps down there and he starts vaporizing everybody. It's like, okay Makes a little more sense before we go for the people that matter though instead of the randies We're just we're just killing people now randies. It's like, okay while screaming. He's like Mom This is one really funny part That just made me chuckle because the way he did it there's like this one part where he just kind of sidesteps And there's like a pew pew pew pew and he feels like yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah And I don't know why he did that. It's so weird. He goes like He's just channeling a special move So anyway, janet is being moved by some gods So obviously she escapes just like everyone else does in this movie whenever that's happening Constantly the guards are so useless They're gonna die. They're there to die. Yep. That's the only reason they exist uh and and then uh Trihard's friend laser face he gets killed. It's very sad I don't know not laser face that guy died He got his laser redirected back into his face and it killed him. I guess I don't handle that we're a loser Isn't he the only one who dies? Well, he's one of the character who dies, of course He's not quite dead yet. I wouldn't want to spoil it for chat who that character is It's a tragic one So yeah, you got the the He's he's vaporizing and then everyone's running away. Tryhard lady has to get pulled away like hold me back style She's like brah. I'm gonna get you. Okay. There's like other people like no We can't do it. And I was just sitting there. It's like just laser laser laser laser They're small. They're easy to laser Okay, anyway, everyone runs off except the three and people being ant-man girl ant-man and girl ant-man with wings Um, they go those three are teaming up and they're gonna Fuck up kang. It's like well, how would they do that? He beat them last time by flicking his finger Uh, he can't do that this time No, he it's a cool down. Yeah, and he can't use his laser today vapor laser. He can't use that either He's like Don't know why and he has like an actual fight with them with you know They they punch him and then he punches them and then they tackle him and he tackles him Then she fires like lasers at him and he fires laser here and they don't they don't really hurt Like standard action scene where nothing is accomplished Um, though I I do kind of get it funny Uh big cassey grabs him and he hits her off and she goes small big ant-man is trying to punch him And he hits him and he goes small It's like are these mario rules where if you're tagged in any way by damage you go do do Yeah Um, and then he has a little little little rant He's like you think this is new to me. Do you know how many rebellions I've put down how many avengers I've killed you You talk to ants It's like The ants are really powerful Yeah, not only that but like you know, I mean he goes small and he could go big and that like it may seem like a meme But it's really really good powers like they're really useful. They can do all kinds of things Oh, yeah, I guess, you know, you as mr. I control everything everywhere and stuff. He's like, yeah I guess I guess you're cooler, but Man, it's just you can have him say anything you want and you make him choose like this patty shit Where he's just like you're so insignificant compared to me Okay, all right, buddy Um Also, we just won't kill him either. You keep talking about how fucking great he is compared to them But you won't kill him. Why? fence Um, anyway, there's a socialist uprising and they destroy the fascist government The ants arrive. It's so wonderful. Here they come. Oh my god They they they run over all the buildings. They kill everybody and it's great and everyone's really happy the ants did it Hooray We won. It's kind of like the the ghost army in in Lord of the Rings. We're just like Man, we should have just had you. She was just you just over everything Um, and then it makes you wonder timing wise, which Lord of the Rings actually addresses this doesn't though Why didn't the ants just do their thing? Why the whole time? Yeah, I think it had me thinking that the whole it's all tied to Hank they like since tank was in danger or something or We're looking for him or he's their god or something and they they were constantly trying to find I don't know That's the only way that I could try and even begin to rationalize it I think they'd stay in contact with him throughout the tens of thousands of years They couldn't they didn't develop the technology to do that So you're saying it was right when they developed the technology that they were also at the third act of the movie No, they'd had that technology for a long long long time. They just now were able to find them Oh, so that's the same thing just they've already now able the fact they could find him at all seems really Well, but does that even make sense? They were contacting him really early on in the movie Remember, that's right. They were detecting the So they were sending out a signal to him Constantly, I guess and then they found him when he crashed his spaceship because of modoc Maybe they didn't know how it I don't know. Maybe they couldn't speak human. You don't know. How do you not know? It's not clear. They could have done it, but they didn't they didn't drink the ooze It's kind of like Lord of the Rings. What does this movie done to you more that look? There's actors in Lord of the Rings. That's another similarity. So there you go They drink water in the Lord of the Rings will probably they do that here. Maybe it's just nano water or something Nano water Yeah So Well, so funny that only addresses one half of the question I was kind of asking there rags The other half was what took them so long since they made the plan Yeah, it's just wondered why they don't just all approach at once Oh, I don't know You don't know No The ant the ways of the ants are a mystery to me. They are far beyond man and the wasp Quantumania encyclopedia rags, so if you know my ant lore master and the lore master for the ants the cyborg ants or whatever they are now They don't know I don't think anyone does I cert the writers certainly don't The writers was like wouldn't it be funny if the ants showed back up? I can because you know ants The answer here at noise one moment. I shall return. I just wanted to inspect something I think it bears repeating that the ants literally saved the day And that they would have all died if it weren't for these plot device ants. Yep. It's insane It's absolutely and the only reason that that happened is because of the time dilation because I fell in the right It's yeah, they just happen insane Luck It's just insane luck. Uh, it's incredible It's it's I think it's the thing that as you watch in the film and it's all happening You can just sort of gloss by and go. Yeah, I mean that's probably silly or whatever or you know Maybe The day the saves the well the wallet I have or I would have lost I think it's safe to say they would have lost probably It seemed almost certain that they would have lost. Yeah, I mean with their level of technology. Yeah Well, I guess you're also to accept that the the ants technology is so much better than kanks now as well I guess I guess that's what they're doing because the thing is we haven't even I don't think we addressed that But kank just goes into defense mode immediately. He doesn't even try to fight back He just puts up his shield Immediately. Can he not fly does he just have to walk? Can he can can fly? I can at least make these little Little platforms he can stand on he floated around on those a little bit earlier in the movie True I guess it's just like surely he can fly right? He's got his super duper suit. Does it let him fly around the place? I don't know Wait a second. How did how did hank know that they were a type two technocratic civilization? How could ants like if they're so tiny then what does it even mean to harness the power of a sun at that point? How could you do that if you're that tiny? Oh, I get you like on what basis is he using To assess because yeah type two as I understand it is you've harness the power of your solar system Would it even be possible for a civilization that is there even a sun down here? Yeah, maybe he'd be able to figure out uh, maybe he maybe I don't know Maybe he's super smart. So you probably figured out a way to try and adapt that system Like Harness the energy of a light bulb or something Because yeah, it's uh, I'm just the wikipedia. Yeah, that's yeah type two is a civilization capable of harnessing The energy radiator by its own large star So it would be like if the ants had built the equivalent of a Dyson sphere Yeah But around what? Maybe one of those loadings sun looking things as well if there were type two civilization like that Maybe they would have been able to figure out how to get out of the quantum room, right? Yeah, probably like if you had the well, let's put it this way because cassey did and cassey could have had to get down here Well, it's just uh The thing is though Earth humans in like what the 60s or 70s with hank Create like the pimp particle in the 70s with 70s technology Which even in the mcu is kind of like advanced but still They created the means to grow and shrink and basically potentially travel to the quantum realm unwittingly Meanwhile 50 years later and then these ants get to go in and they already had cool technology And then thousands of years to develop their new civilization develop no means of leaving the quantum realm Presumably is that just like the one barrier that's impossible to get past? Because if so, how did uh modoc shrink them down To get everybody down there in the first place feels like that bears repeating you can shrink people down into the quantum realm But you can't get out Yeah, apparently so This movie is really stupid guys, it's very stupid Even though at the end they just teleport out Because now that's why you can do Yeah I think I think we mentioned that already in the last stream pretty sure. Yeah But yeah, and I'm gonna repeat it one more time because I I'm stuck on it The entire multiverse would have been destroyed if it weren't for ants happening to go through a time dilation field and Turning and then showing up just in time. Yes To overpower Kang This kind of writing I don't even know what it looks like when you're in the writer's room figuring this out Like what is this process? How long do you think that they spent working on the script for this film? Not enough Well during production of the movie they were probably constantly rewriting it because that's how they make movies I mean it probably was like we hit we have our beats And they do hear they do this there's a battle scene or whatever they meet Kang cut stuff And then once they have that all lined up They just start making the movie and then I feel like the actual words and stuff that are involved Yeah, we'll just fill this in the conversations whatever we know what we're gonna accomplish So we'll just fill it in later. Don't forget Yeah, they definitely dramatically change it as they go to Yeah, of course I think uh, what is it the the new captain america movie that's gonna come out? They're already in production now They're already in production and they just fired the old writers And the new writers haven't haven't given their new script yet, but they've already started filming No, come on. No, I'm serious. I I know I know people that are working on that movie Dude You can't make movies like this Watch them bring watch But I hate it Dirty records they could set now the box office drop off ones that like watch us We're gonna get the best records on that one Yeah, because I think the original writers were the people who did falcon in the winter soldier and then now got new writers But they're they're either starting filming Shortly, they already have and they don't have a new script yet No, apparently according to wikipedia the the writers are the same people who did falcon winter soldier captain. Yeah, like that's the same writers Oh Not according to the people I know working on it, but Okay. Oh, well then. Yeah, who knows Well, I mean IMDBM wikipedia are often behind the uh, yeah, that's for realities Fucking thing with like test test is the actress for tests How many episodes she appears in has changed so many times on IMDb is kind of funny for the last of the show Um But yeah, the the ants start just winning. They're just they're just dominating man They're just taking out everything nothing can do anything and all of the the good guys so to speak are like, yeah ants And you know, you're talking about the insane contrivance But it's like I think they really did want to have an ant payoff though They they have to in the ant man movie, right? Like otherwise like and I think that's enough to make people forget about watch it why this happened It's absolute insanity, but it's like, yeah, but just ants ant man ants And it was set up because he said you just talked to ants Like see see set up Which by the way If you're gonna make fun of like reduce ant man's power down to a gimmicky thing He'd be like you you go small. That's probably what you say. You wouldn't say you talk to ants It's like rarely does that even come up for the heroes or the villains that he does that Listen like the first movie briefly but compared to him going small and big which is something he does all the time So may uh, yeah, it's not the best insult Maybe he was just like on his feet. He couldn't think of anything better Because like when you reduce cap, you're like you fucking frisbee throw a throw the shield Shield throw people don't I mean, I guess you could say Iman kind of reduced him down to the Uh, the super soldier serum, but Iman's a bit more smarter more familiar with him and wants to reduce him down meaningfully instead of just making fun of him Like kang, I guess would But it would be I don't know. It just comes across as weird like um Like if you don't know it's it's like fucking wolverine Mr. Oh, mr. Hell three Jen Like I guess so swords for fingers You could also say that Yeah, so the ants all swarm over him and as metal mentioned he pulls up a shield and uh I guess we never see him do any kind of flight. So yeah, I guess I guess he can't Yeah, the only thing I've seen him do You know portals though Yes, he has portals. Yeah, but and he has like he can apparently make like little little floaty platforms I think he flows around. Oh, yeah. Okay. So that too, but yeah the portal thing is just that's that's it You just open a portal jump in close it and if two or three ants come through you just laser them Yeah, done and then you open a portal back and enter in a safer area. I guess I don't know instead of just Shielding yourself and then he starts like killing them um But unfortunately for him something else happens Oh Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's that it's about time. I guess so yeah We see Modoc is on his way and he says my name is darren and I am not a dick And he slams into the shield wraps his arms around it and detonates it, I guess which removes it and can get swarmed by ants Yeah So yeah modoc switch teams I've seen the thing And it's just like why do you switch teams? It's like well cassie said don't be a dick So it makes you wonder why was modoc doing any of this stuff? What does he think about this situation with the multiverse and timelines and what does he have to say about all the people he's killed? Yeah, does he have anything to like ant Even you know I don't know And before we'll get back to kang and his situation with him. We'll just uh, we'll do the What he just did modoc is gonna kill him. That's just cost him big time exploded hurt him hurt him so much He's gonna die To get for trying to destroy his shield with your face Yes, I suppose when you're 86 face More understandable that you've done that I guess So, uh, he says you were right about me cassie And then he's like he's just throwing up blood and scouts like are you okay? And he's like probably not like all right one joke already. Okay And then you have darin and he's like hi hope you changed your hair And then she's like what happened and scott's like yeah, it's it's a big thing. It's a whole thing. I'll tell you I'll tell you later Like oh, see this is another joke And he's like wow, I don't know what to say and he goes thanks scott You are always a brother to me and it shows like every character looking confused and weirded out and then he goes I was And then he touches his face with his like goopy small hand and then he's like I was Another joke. All right Then he coughs up a load more blood and everyone's like Yeah, like grows out and it's like what what what is happening? And then he says at least I died an avenger and again, they all look around like what the fuck is wrong with you and then you go Yeah, and then yeah, yeah, you totally do. Yeah. Yeah, you're in you're definitely in and then he dies And then him just move on It's so fucking weird Um This isn't how it would work in real life. Just fyi if someone's dying in front of you because they just saved the multiverse um Probably to be quiet Yeah, and uh, I feel like that bears repeating. Um, modoc saved the multiverse. Yeah You just watch it. It's so fucking awkward because they're all just like look at this loser dying I know he's a clown, but like he saved the multiverse There's maz Yeah Yeah, it's a pretty big sacrifice. He just made there. So uh, yeah, maybe have some respect And it's um, it's hard enough to treat any death like a joke It's kind of weird in a in a storyline that treats death seriously a lot of the time But it's really weird to do it to a character who just had a big redemption to save the the universe multiverse Really really fucking weird So I go ahead I was just gonna say imagine if Luke was like clowning on Darth Vader as he was dying. Yeah Yeah, probably uh There's my remembering, uh, that's probably the first time Cassie sees someone die up close at least Probably maybe even the first time I've seen someone die in general Darren means something to hope too and uh and hank. He's not some random person Yeah, the mentor event. It was just mentor, right? NT. I guess you'd say student But also like we'll use a friend to hope before he went and saying Whether or not they have x they have feelings for this person is what I'm saying They care about the fact that he's gonna be a libel dead and the fact that he just saved them all It means something but uh, it's funny funny funny and um Yeah, just really awkward as an experience and just exactly expected in these films. They keep doing this Uh, they don't know they don't know how to deal with tone. It's weird How consistent that is when they have different writers and directors Mm-hmm, and you're like they consistently screw it up. Yeah the marvel blender They all get put into and then they end up with all the same problems Yeah And they just basically move on with a well that just happens pretty much. Yeah Yeah, because you're right. He says a lot has happened today a lot has happened today and then it just Yeah, which again, it was really awkward when it's like modoc save the multiverse and he's there coughing up blood You know like which is gross How gross and then it's like, uh, yeah, buddy. Like yeah, you really did it It's like he did more than you like he saved the multiverse right now So wait because there's just as some people made uh suggestions and it's just like yeah You could have had the scene That it's um, they're all like immediately dealing with kang or something and it's maybe just hank walks over to him and says We're not gonna forget what you've done today. You understand Meaningful of those two had a moment because of their history. Oh, yeah, and then he says like i'm sorry I only ever wanted like to work together. You know that sort of thing I know that modoc is a clown But that doesn't mean that you have to like forego opportunities to maybe do something with the character Especially if you have him save the multiverse. I'm just gonna keep repeating that because that's what he did Like I know he's a stupid clown character, but that's what happened and darin was a person He was a person. Yeah, yeah, he was a clown person too, but still Uh, so I guess we'll move on Janet just says to them like I could give us one shot back to the surface world. It's like, oh, okay Like whatever. I don't know what's going on anymore. I don't know why she's just like yep, open it up a portal We can get back like fine. Whatever sure You even have like they're all like thanking tryhard and then hank's like come on. Let's go And it feels like he's just shot alone on some stage Told like they just chopped that seed into it Who knows how much dialogue there was before and the end of that whatever Everything feels awkward just waiting for the fucking thing to end portal opens And before you even like they're jumping through and you're just like, I'm sorry You're going from like micro micro micro micro micro size to massive by comparison Instantly. Yeah, is that you don't even wear your fucking suits. You're just doing it Yeah, nobody cares anymore Nothing matters anymore It gets even weirder because uh you everyone goes in except for cassie and scott and then scott's like notices something and pushes her in And he gets hit by a blast of energy and you're like, oh my goodness And I almost wanted like we're gonna deal with something in the room that scott is in But for the next like 10 fucking minutes You know cassie hope janet and hank are all just staring at the portal not doing anything, I guess on the other side Guys, are you coming they're like behind me. That was weird. He was right behind me Yeah, it's like you could just go back through Why you clearly something's wrong Do something and it's worse than just the fact that they seem to not recognize they could do something There are characters in there that would go back immediately cassie's one of them Hope's definitely one of them janet would probably be 5050. I don't know She maybe considered some stuff or whatever But to be honest with you probably would have been a neat payoff for hank to go back in and get him um Everyone was hoping they'd give hank a chance to suit up in this but no Everyone else gets I was so surprised that didn't happen Like they didn't give they didn't give us the the quadruple ants or ant man and was I was saying and you know what I mean ant man and girl and girl with wings and michael douglas. That's the team Yeah, there was there was the movie you wanted to probably Can do it and I don't think we're gonna get another chance. Well, he said if they bring him back He's hoping to die. So maybe they'll do it He's got Han solos and that's great Oh, you kind of under mines just make sure I'll die Kind of doesn't say if if he does just real quick if he does die in the next ant man movie He'll have been in as many fucking mcu movies as the harrison ford was in star wars movies Almost No, wait. No, it would be the same because he popped up in endgame as cameo. So yeah, it would be the same I was just gonna say that this them not going back through the portal kind of undermines the initial scene when they Go in to help each other. You know when they're getting sucked in and they all let go. You're right. Yeah And this we're just like, ah, we're not doing that. It's like they just think he's tying his shoe and that's what's taking him Yeah, nothing to worry about guys. I'm sure it's fine. It's like, yeah, I'm sure it's fine Maybe you had to sneeze. I don't know looking for tissue. He just couldn't walk and sneeze at the same time Anyway back over to scott's end of things he was shot by kang a laser blast And I know I know chat you understand this so well that you're asking yourselves wait, wasn't he eaten to death by ants No, no, he wasn't shut up chat No, he wasn't for some reason What what the ants actually did was strip him of all of his technology Except for one more blast from his shoulder cannon and then left him alone. That's what they did Yeah, there's just ones like we did it but pack it up boys. We go home They didn't tell anybody about this like they didn't go by the way hang kang is crawling around where you guys are just just fyi our god, I guess I don't know. I don't know why they didn't just kill him eat him tear him apart, but no No He's fine and it's funny because when he shoots ant man It like they have this shot where he looks at his like little wrist blaster and it's like going Do and he's like no it broke and it's like only one shot Is it because if it was working you'd easily beat ant man? Yes Well, but the thing is you remove him of his powers and ant man easily wins right because ant man's way better than Like a neutral person. He got the power to shrink and grow. He's gonna fuck you up. Yeah So how can they even this fight? I don't know. Is it possible? Well, wait, sorry really quick was kang just a guy. He was he was just a guy Oh god. Yeah, that makes it even fucking worse. Hey so, um He starts running for the portal good old kang. He's like brah. I'm gonna get there Here I go and he's about to jump in but then ant man tackles him out of the way And he's like no, I will not look the other way Or some shit like that to try and pretend like this film has a point Shut up and sit down so uh Kag punches him in the face and he falls over that he kicks him in the face kicks him in the face and it breaks the helmet So that he can't shrink and it's like First of all shrink and grow without the helmet Yeah, you could have shrunk this whole fucking time by the way by dude But secondly like yeah, you've been shrinking the whole movie without the need of the fucking mask screw you Uh Lame so now it's just guy versus guy is the point of that like look at that both reduced down to their basic stats And the thing about it is is you know kang's pretty strong, but scott is strong spirited. Okay. Yeah strong willed Um, so they fight and fight and fight and scott's clearly losing But then the wasp fight is a fight is a strong word scott getting his ass kicked He's getting battered And then the wasp shoots a bunch of lasers at kang because she decides to finally fucking come through the portal Yeah, after like seven minutes It's like man. Those are useful. I wish I had them on my suit Yeah, but oh well I guess i'm not good enough to have them Fucking lame So yeah, um, she shoots him so much and then he gets punched to the face and he falls onto the The engine thing and then he starts screaming and it explodes and he gets sucked into it Yeah, because scott earlier was like, uh, we I don't have to win. We just both have to lose Oh, I hate that line quite a bit actually Yeah, does it make any sense at all? Yeah, and then he puts like, uh A combination of growth and shrink, uh discs on there Right. Yeah. Well, okay. Just for that though I think they fucked the line when he says Uh, because because kang is like, haha, you're you're gonna lose now, bitch And then he says I don't have to win. We both just have to lose It's like, oh you who wrote that shit, man What you're supposed to say is I don't have to win as long as you lose Yeah, that's the line way better. You gobbled it and said we both just have to lose It's like you don't have to scott. What do you mean? If you're scott if you're willing to sacrifice yourself to save the day, wouldn't that be a win? Exactly Phrasing it like a loss is Bad, which is not good writing. Well, I think The it was probably better suited to the original plotline being that he like gives up his chance to see Get those years back with his daughter. Maybe his daughter as a whole And kang has to give up the chance to or not give up but lose the chance to Like he said that would be how he's contextualizing his loss The thing is because they've changed it. It's just it just comes across really weird It's like I don't have to win. We both just have to lose Like fuck that needed redrafts. I don't know what was happening with it Um, I think if they both lost kang wouldn't be able to get out, but the multiverse gets destroyed anyway I don't know how but I think that would be both of them losing uh So yeah, as mel was saying he attaches like the shrinky groeie whatever's into the engine and Wasps boops him onto it and he explodes and gets sucked into it. And that's the end of kang But not really apparently there's not any reason to think he's coming back because the mc sucks, but um Apparently the writer of this movie has reached the quote of quotes saying the reason they wanted him To lose that badly in that film is because you'll feel like in favor of him when we next see him Ah No, yeah A bit of a monsequitur, isn't it like I think he said something like you always feel like bad for another dog He always would have like Kang should have killed ant man. That's probably what should happen here Because then that makes him like a threatening villain if he just kills one the main hero in his own movie and they don't beat him Well, and how much better could it be too that they have the chance to escape They can't like like scott loses his chance to escape and loses his life to stop kang from getting to them So that it's back to quote unquote square one They know kang is down there. He wants to kill him. He did kill scott, but he's currently contained in the in the quantum realm They know this and they can now tell the avengers, you know, that would be That's actually building something Yeah, exactly You've established him as a significant threat that the characters are aware of and need to prepare for and Especially make him especially since when they first introduced Thanos, what do they have him do in infinity war? They have him pretty effortlessly Beat the shit out of hulk and then kill heimdall and loki Yeah, like effortlessly More or less. It's like oh shit like he's a He's he's a big deal whereas here kang got beaten by ant man Yeah, if you're gonna be specific, you got beaten by wasps little wrist blasters. That's right. Like, yeah By wasps little wrist blasters no not even close And it does they didn't want to do that because it would have been too sad, I guess Does stuff to audience it would have been a little bit too emotional for the audience. So probably That might well, yeah, that probably was a product of because it's pretty apparent that the ending was a reshoot Like it's very obvious Your portal just opens back up and yeah, oh, no, it's more so just that everybody looks different in the reshoots Like oh, yeah, like in the end. Yeah, I looked a little bit skinnier Evangeline Lily has a completely different haircut and like color It's just yeah, imagine he looks totally different imagine they would have but they said like we didn't know how we could Generate any sort of levity from it. So we decided not to it. It's like That was the actual reason. Yeah, I could believe it So that was fail he's gone now and then uh You think from oh well, we're watching the actual uh one of the final cuts before they made the big final change The idea being that hope came back to save scott and it cost them both being able to go back to The main world I think it's all but confirmed uh like as in I think it actually may have been confirmed now by one of the rise That was an original but um, it's okay Because it cuts to cassie pressing buttons And then it cuts over to hope and and ant man. They're just like let's go home Yeah, it's like Like oh cool when kang exploded on the engine that was hit with the micro and multi uh thing That was what I assumed was able to open up the portal in the first place So how can you open it up now? And it's like oh well, you see cassie's fucking Micro telescope thing. I guess that could do it Yes, because a micro telescope was designed to interact with a multiversal like engine Machine like with technology that she'd never even knew existed I guess and just like that like in a in a few minutes It's not even an afternoon pretty smart girl Right, so it's true fringy. I think you forgot that she's they set it up. They did that's a set They set that up later by saying it earlier in the film. What check off smart girl. Yes If you say that a girl was smart in the first act, she's got to do something smart in the third act check off's daughter And so after all that right just think of everything we've told you precious precious chat after everything That's what he said and gone over you then see pull rod walking down the street and quote he says My life doesn't make much sense Yeah, no it does not no not even a little it used to Yeah, there was a time it kind of used to time where things were easier to understand There was there was a time where the weirdness was just sort of like the physics of the ant-man power But they were kind of like so okay like it like that was the weirdest thing And now it's just like multiple universes and millions of alternative variable use and I haven't listened to a wish. You've said I'm totally lost. Could you repeat all that? Just hit that old rewind. No, you'll get it. Do you think having an explain to you won't help It'll make it worse if anything But hey, you might be thinking like oh, so is there a lesson that's coming here at the end of the movie It's like yes, there is and so going on he says, you know, my life doesn't make more sense And I used to ask a lot of questions, but you know what who said life has to make sense There you go It's almost like just cope in general, I don't know it feels like it's worthwhile to try and make a little bit of sense of life Imagine Like my dude, have you ever just thought about like shut the fuck up? Why are you here trying to like figure out what people think and why and try to make sense of the universe And then it doesn't make sense. It's it's chill. Let's go one of I think two of the last big frustrations this whole movie first quote Yeah, there's I used to wonder if this chapter of my life is over and he's talking about hero work by the way But as Cassie reminded me there's always someone you can help Okay, so there's statement one. What a statement was no, we're not doing too yet. We're focused on that implies That implies that at one point he believed that there was not people to help. Yes It is exactly what we were worried about in terms of what they were actually trying to say in the fucking beginning Which is he stopped helping people because he's just too busy enjoying like fame and fortune, I guess He's not even involved in his daughter's life, which is what he said he was doing in the book I don't get it. Rest. Yeah. He like lost his interest in helping people for some reason and then Cassie got it back on board like, okay It's it's it's almost like a regress doesn't describe it properly. It's like in between films He changed completely Like he was just starts off as a totally different person with different values Well, it's still being part of the Avengers officially, by the way It doesn't exist anymore. I have no idea. Where are they? I almost feel like they reference it as a meme now to the audience like remember the avengers I don't think the avengers even exist, right? Because Tony was the one who was paying for all that and he didn't even pay for people's pension so How does that work with like does ant man he considers himself an avenger? and I mean rightfully so when he I don't know. Is there some element of before I go into the quantum realm? I need to Like do I need to tell like no, no the the accords don't even exist. Why would he tell the avengers anything? In case Like who would he call does he call captain marvel? Does he have her phone? Like hey carol. I'm just going into quantum stuff Like if there's any problems come back to earth and help me out How's this post shield on the road post like sword? But are they I I don't think sword. I don't even know because remember we talked about this I'm pretty sure we talked about it last stream that like a huge apparatus of the united states government just disappeared with no replacement Like when they all must have exchanged mobile numbers at tony's funeral, right? Please tell me they did Dude, where is everybody though at this point? I don't know Like what the strange is probably off in different universes captain I'm sure all these are happening exactly right next to each other like one to one like he calls strange And he's in the multiverse with america being like is he bro. Sorry Dude, who's available to like actually help with stuff on earth at this point I I don't it would be out of character for fury not to give them all a means by which they He's he's he's out in space, right? Yeah, so he would have given them a means in which to contact each other Yeah, he is remember they call him from earth to space and That's right, which don't even think about that. Shit. Just get the fucking phone out and call I'm sure they're using unobtainium technology or something and that's why it works Well, yeah, because it's a it's a thing that you're gonna deal with in science fiction is You know communications. They have a cap at the speed at which they can travel But don't don't worry. So anyway, that was the first of the two lines Second one line number three is uh camera camera tightens up on scott. He says wait We did beat kang, right? I mean, that's that's what happened. I think But he did also say something bad was coming and that everyone would die if he didn't get out Is is everyone gonna die because of me? Oh, oh god. What what have I done? What did I do and then it's like And then the music cuts out and he's like, you know, it's like I said life doesn't make any sense Stop overthinking it. Yeah, fuck it. Man You know what that seems like the actual opposite of the lesson that you were supposed to learn in this film, which is There's always people to save like all of us. It literally destroys the whole film It's like it's like the theme was okay It was just about to make it out and then the last like fucking chopped it off. It's like Wrote an extra line Well now we're left in a position where it's like so kang dynasties getting written by this guy and Great Michael Waldron by Michael Waldron But you emerged from rick and morty jeff lovnes the guy wrote this one wrote vat of acid And I don't know what I'm meant to even make of that anymore I don't know what I meant to do with that information. He wrote one of my favorite episodes of rick and morty That doesn't just look the thing it fucks him as a character too The first thing you would do is tell all the most powerful people you know Because when we first talked about this movie I think we both were essentially like yes Scott's got some problems, but like once the movie gets going He's all right. It's like nah This is what happens with these fucking movies guys like the more that you keep looking into it and just continues to unravel It's not like in a good movie Many of which we watch lately and lead up to the academy awards where it's like you can kind of um See how everything's being built up in in service of like some core theme or um in service of a central character And how like the little details feed into other little details in a way that's really coherent and impressive Here it's like the opposite Like as soon as you start thinking about it a little bit it begins to crumble This movie is really bad guys So which has to like I'll tell if that's an actual quote if you're like being pranked It's like no it's pretty much one for one says I'm pretty sure the whole world's about to be destroyed based on what he said But oh well the will doesn't make much sense Yeah, just don't worry about it Cool, bro. Okay That's that you know I bet we'll find out in future movies that he basically pulled the michelle pfeiffer or a janet and just didn't tell anyone about this Yeah, like it comes up in the middle of Comes up in the middle of an action scene or something where they're like it's kang and then he goes kang We fought kang and be like you did and he was like in the quantum realm Why didn't you tell anybody's like been a little busy while he shoots someone with a braggun? Whoa, that just happened I didn't know he could do that Whoa, they fly now Do you think that this problem stems from the fact that the writers don't get to talk to each other? And so like they can't even really start to think about where to position their characters going forward Instead of wondering are you Is it that they don't talk to each other or is it that they're literally not allowed to like Gets the rule Maybe it's just this element of there's just some some understood culture of writing when it comes to these movies that it just doesn't fucking matter Well, because you get in you get yours you maybe get to write another marvel movie and then that's probably gonna be it No, what none of this stuff feels to me like it was anyone's baby No, none of this feels like any of the writers or the people who created it Have any actual investment in any of this It's just it's just a job for them and then they move on and it doesn't matter Which is fascinating You'd think that especially if you're gonna get to write like an avengers movie that that would be so fucking cool That that would be like a really exciting opportunity not just from a career standpoint, but in terms of um That's like some wish fulfillment right there getting to write like a movie with all of these comic book characters That you remember as a kid that you loved And having them clash and you know like a level of oh man Look at all of the work that the writers did before me that they've now handed to me that I can move forward with But you're right This is just what i'm doing to pay the bills until I could maybe get a project that I actually care about You know probably get paid a lot of money for this It doesn't know that there's no care in this there's no like Maybe I think ant man and the lost consummonia has kind of highlighted it Maybe like the method that marvel you we've been saying this for a while at this point But like the method marvel uses to make movies seems pretty incompatible with just consistently delivering good stories It's um It doesn't as long as people seem to it makes it it's guaranteed to make a lot of money Or enough money And it's not even supposed like it's not even supposed to be really good So it doesn't even matter. It doesn't have to be great. No one really cares if it's great anymore. It's fine It's the fast food of movies. It's just a paycheck and a job These characters are just like the basic stuff. We don't have to do anything special or care about it And it'll be fine and I'll get paid and I'll move on to my project because the mcu is the fast food of movies now And this is very much the fast food of movies Like I would I would imagine that you would have a better shot of like making something that would be cool If you went over to fucking DC like then you would hear. Oh, yeah, yeah Because at the very least they'd like give you a little bit more I I can't remember what stream it was on that we're talking about it that someone brought it up that um apparently tim Burton is never going to work with like Uh, disney ever again after dumbo. Oh, yeah, we talked about that on your stream with the deep lore. Yeah That's right. Yeah, um where he talked afterward about how It was like a really shitty experience because it was so micromanaged Like it was barely it was barely as if he was making his own film there And I was on like the disney remakes which aren't working on as condensed timelines and schedules and and like needing to come out at specific times Obviously, they need to come out specific times to make, you know money like depending on which month they're in But like not to the same extent as marvel needs to be tightly coordinated I can imagine that like whatever experience he had making that would be a hell of a lot harder Like in marvel and and more stifling Like where is the like how how does one actually meaningfully distinguish between like any of the films that we've had in phase four And this being the continuation of phase four Like what would you be pointing to immediately is like man? This is what like shang chi had that ant man didn't or vice versa I'm curious if they only get away with it things like shang chi black widow and um Uh, I was about to say the eternals is the one that I'm curious about So I have to see it before I can figure out which one it falls into but the idea that and some people already Highlighted that our top three or bottom three of the mcu A thaw film a doctor strange film in an ant man film when you look at it It's like doctor strange. It's all about crazy nonsense magic Or it's like crazy nonsense as guardian space like it's it's all Up in the air as to exactly how anything works and that that's all about a wish being granted Which is funny considering my favorite one of my favorite movies anyway of 2022 is all about a wish being granted But uh, and then you have uh ant man, which is like quantum quantum quantum quantum quantum And it's like well, I guess these films are you know, they didn't have a good start in terms of making sense And it's just like well that's what I'm saying. It's like surely black widow and shang chi films about like grounded uh People who just like a really good at fighting It's like no those two still scratched at that tier like I said It's a special tier the the one that belongs to those three But like right underneath that tier black widow is a part of it with captain marvel and some others where it's like The only reason they haven't joined them is because the universe doesn't crack into tiny tiny pieces as much Because you know, it's like well, how could they do that in black widow? And it's like yeah, they can't really the most the most damage they can do is to the world of earth What I mean is like they couldn't get much past the planet. It's like, uh, well, that's good But of course, yeah, doctor strange uh thorn and ant man are all like catastrophic in terms of world building And then they have all the same problems with um character building plot lines All the same shit All the tone Jesus christ love and thunder takes the cake for tone probably though, doesn't it? That is probably the most totally incoherent film. I've ever seen in my life. Yes. I think you're right I'm trying to think of what would give it like a run for its money Well, because balancing comedy and drama is really hard But when you do it well, I recently for the first time watched in bruge As like damn that film is like a really interesting and great blend of comedy and drama And it's like walking a tightrope, but when it yeah, it is one of the best examples Uh, so seven psychopaths had drama as well. That was like another one that I found really cool. It was I mean, that's what's so weird about both jojo and Thor love and thunder was directed by the same guy Yep But what is a project that he's probably passionate about? Yeah, one is one is like one of the best Balances of tone and the other was probably the worst and he did both of them But the thing is is that how can you meaningfully balance tone when you don't even know what your story is? And when you probably have mandates about needing to get lost I wouldn't be surprised if there are like mandates about you need to have a joke every two minutes Because these films like don't give you the extremes that that storytelling can provide you of extreme highs and lows Emotionally, it's all very flat It's um, it's never going to be too sad for too long No, I'm never going to be too anything for too long. Typically speaking yeah And then you end up with this sludge a very sludgy experience that nobody will remember I mean like who's going to be Who who in like a year is going to go man? I really want to rewatch ant man and the wasp Quantamania and the same way that people just occasionally go. I want to watch iron man or like I want to watch adventures Or I want to watch guardians Yep, I think people will remember quantamania is being part of fucking phase four. It'll be like Oh, it's phase five We're still in phase four. I had to ask I had to yeah, like continuing when we watched it. I asked is this phase five and Yeah, it was like because I didn't know what was the line It's arbitrary They just because nothing's changed about the way that they make their fucking movies And nothing will change like things seem to be slowing down now But when are we going to see the results of that in 2025 maybe like at the earliest And I think it's safe to say like as much as this isn't entirely accurate It's close enough that each of the phases were marked by avengers movies It felt like the borderline at least is highlighted in that way, but this time it was like Wakanda forever to ant man. You're like, okay Oh, was there even enough an element that was unified between those two movies at all today? It was any could you watch those two movies without knowing what the mcu is and think that they're in the same universe? Well, why does that might as black Panther seem like ah, yes This is a logical conclusion to all of the plot threads that have been established in phase four It's like it kind of has nothing to do with anything else that happened in phase four No, I guess they'd be like what ant man was about kang. It's like I guess but like, I don't know It just seems I mean I'm somebody pointed out in chat But we talked about it before this was going to be part of phase four all of the movies like these ones were They changed their mind though because phase four had a bad reception and they fucking know what a rebrand Yeah, and it's not working like the beginning of this one is the worst received one like critically. I think Uh, 70 box office drop because what is the word of mouth on this movie? Who's going to be like man? You've got to see ant man in the worst quantum mania No one absolutely no one and related to that so This is the first uh, this is the first mcu movie I'd seen in the theater Since I believe end game So so when I was watching the movie and you know felt dead inside in the audience It felt pretty dead inside and then you know the credits roll and no one gets up to leave I'm like, oh right. I forgot that's a thing that we do in these movies We sit here everyone sits there everyone pulls out their phones and then as soon as the post credit scene starts I swear to god There was more energy and hype in the theater than at any point in the movie itself And I just wanted to die. I was like, oh my god They were just they like as soon as I think it's maybe the second Post credit scene that Loki shows up and the guy next to me went yes And I hadn't heard him make a single sound during the entire movie And I was like Jesus christ and then of course because we sat through the entire credits now everybody's leaving and it's just dead silent And it's so surreal. I just uh, it was one of the more genuinely depressing theater experiences. I've had in a while You've highlighted what is pretty A pretty fundamental problem with marvel and the way that audiences perceive marvel movies Nobody really cares about the story that they're going to watch. It's always about what's next It's always about what is setting up Where it could be going to what new character will show up in the post credit scene and maybe show up in another movie I felt that more viscerally than I had ever before Not fun I'm on this um, I'm as of five hours ago. There was this hollywood reporter article by pamela mclintock in erin couch and it Says here That marvel studios ant man in the wasp quantum mania is facing stormy times of the weekend box office where it could tumble 71.6 percent Yeah, it's a 30 million plus in its sophomore outing And it says here you'd have mentioned batman v super man down of justice is the closest to uh superhero films that dropped at 69.1 percent um But it also says here that um It's looking like a cocaine bear Is definitely going to be stealing a lot of money from it particularly from uh, young adults So it's just hard to think that the the big mcu movie on its It's going to be losing a lot of money potentially to a cocaine bear movie Yeah, but yeah, it says the forward of mouth is clearly hurting the film and Yeah, that's always hit mobile movies now because there's nothing to spread. Why would anyone go see these? What do you say? Like top gun maverick and uh, puss in boots had some of the best word of mouth in recent years And I think in my theater They still have puss in boots like it's I think it's still running. Yeah. Oh, yeah avatar still on Yeah, well avatar That's maybe a slightly different case Yeah, the I'm just uh You look up the you look up each of these movies in google and you check like the stories and stuff the top stories on them And it's just like two different clearly just two different entire vibes That you get Um, we haven't finished the film by the way Oh, wait, we didn't no we didn't we got Uh, we still got the Well, they have the little cake and then the final joke of the movie is that the cake is gross He eats the cake and he's like ew gross cake And then we get our first after-credits scene and it's incredible the incomparable Jonathan mages comes out as a billion different characters and he starts putting on little funny voices for each of them and it was It was funny. I think it was supposed to be serious though Yeah, but then but they had this one guy in the foreground going That was really weird It was weird. Um, they were all kind of weird to me. I think I think yeah Like I I need to see the scene again, but you had um I know gary was saying one of them. They're from the comics. They're all references They're all like different versions of him. I think he said that one of them Is Rama tut who went like back in time to rule Egypt I think that's supposed to be who that one is. I can't I'm paraphrasing or parrot quoting whatever bite like hell I don't even know it just it was just all silly to me and the obvious comparison that everyone makes is This is written by someone from rick and morty and in rick and morty. There's a funny joke about how there's a council of ricks And they all have stupid haircuts That's like what makes them different and it just is so impossible to not be like this is just the council of ricks Now the council of cans They're all like it's like a big stadium of like a council of all of it. It's like, uh I don't know man. They're all sanny and wacky Yes, he shows up. He gets beaten How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man? And apparently they're the ones that did the banishing and they're upset now because Literally it is rick and morty the kang that we saw in this movie was the the rickest rick. Yeah The kang is kang Oh man, and and you know, they're like outraged that someone killed a kang and it's like it's easy to kill a kang The fucking weird-ass creatures that they spawn next to that he you know crash landed next to could have killed him if he didn't have a gun Regular guy. He needs just a regular guy. He's a regular dude And what if that little creature had split into two and eaten him would they have been like wow That little creature ate him. It's time for us to make a move We need to do something I can move on the on the little quantum realm Splitting creature. Yeah, they said like an army of kags to go get that one creature and they all pop out of the portals going Yeah And it's like a british one and a german one and an american one and australian one. It'll be great That's the concept of modox you you got mixed up Yeah, and that's by the way that you know, it feels weird to By the time we acknowledge that that's it for modoc. He's out. That's it for all of modoc's content is done And I can always pull the modoc from a different multiverse or something I suppose that's true, but the primary iteration of The this mcu's modoc. That was that the modoc is modoc Amazing Yeah, one last scene to address and it is set in somewhere like the 1800s or something and Uh mobius and loki are watching a guy who looks just like kang Nope. No mobius. I'm mobius. What owen wilson. It's open oh and mobius Oh, wow And they're watching a guy who looks like kang Explain some device that he's made and then owen wilson's like you made kang seem all scary Like this guy seems pretty normal and then like the camera like tightens up and look and he's like No This man is scary or something like that and then it hits the credits again Another guy's called victor timely. I think that's like a Yeah, make sure to watch loki season two Because nothing will be of any consequence from anything that you watch but fuck it whatever it's all just But next time for real it will be consequential It's all of the It's all of the bad. I'm trying to think of how I'm how this analogy works It's all of the bad results of hedonism without any of the Satisfaction of the moment If they're so angry about kang dying, maybe next time they shouldn't have banished him to the flume realm I agree That's what we said last week is like why if he was such a big fucking deal Then just shoot him in the head and be done with it Or if you don't want him to die realms in a spaceship Yeah, but like they're angry that he's dead. It's like so why'd you send him to the fucking court to frown? What's the idea? Put him in a box put him in a concrete box and take away a suit and then just like keep him around Or put him in suspended animation or some space sci-fi bullshit. Oh, it's so dumb It's um, but that's it. That is actually it. There's no more. That's yeah incredible. That's at least there's no more for now that is As as much as they wanted to annoy us for now I think we'll be fine for more marvel stuff for a little bit because next is guardians, right? yes I think it's either guardians or secret invasion. I think well guardians has the best chance of being with wild guys Okay, yeah Oh, yeah, is that but unfortunately star wars has reared its ugly ass head Oh, thank goodness. Thank you. Thank goodness. We'll have more of the mandalore. Oh, god. That's a few days away Yep, we got mando on the way everybody excitement fantasy Gonna be really weird seen petropus cal At the same time and the last of us and then mando. That's gonna be a culture clash, I guess Like a better word Boba's confirmed for mando season three Okay, yay. Get them all in get them all Do you hear them peas? Do you hear them? Get every character you could ever get in there. We've got to get them all get rancor get them Baby rancor. Mr. Rancor They're really really complex creatures. They are Make it and um job security For us I mean, I I don't mind covering all kinds of older shit, but uh I do I have an interest in keeping track of because this has gotten very interesting in terms of them actually losing engagement and money now And that's the box office drop-offs getting bigger and bigger because we're watching it one of the biggest train racks in slow motion in history It's a good It's a good analogy. There's no joke like it takes this long to explain how horrifically awful All of the writing is this is rare and it keeps happening You can't do this with every film people say that all the times like you can do several films. I can't I don't fucking do this to tar You can't do it. No, I can't Can't come up with this many contradictions in tar It's impossible. DCU. It's gonna happen Ugh cocaine beer Probably doesn't have anywhere near these kinds of problems. I'm looking forward to watching that fun That's probably gonna be fun cocaine bear Well, it's on streaming. It's pretty good premise. Oh, is it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's on streaming If it keeps happening, it's not that rare. No This is still rare as far as I'm concerned to get this kind of writing. It's insanely hard You have to be such a you only ever get a couple of these screw up. It's just consistently in this venue Yeah, yeah, just because it happened three times in the last few years doesn't mean it's common yet We have to consider all of time, okay Or at least all the time with movies are being written the more concerning thing because there's always, you know, you've always got more like Small scale dramas and comedies and stuff like that all over the place I guess it would be more so that if you're looking at like your big summer blockbuster movies the quality of the writing Because marvel is dominant in that sphere and plus other like big franchises has been deteriorating a bit uh Just a tad. Yeah, and I think that at one point we probably will get a movie in the mcu that's just fine And we'll be like holy fuck. It'll be it'll be inevitable, right? Like it's just you know, it'll be like a James Gunn's The Suicide Squad. It's like, oh my god. That was actually pretty okay. Like that was wow You know compared to everything else in the dceu. It was certainly a breath of fresh air Still waiting for time when we get like a scene in one of these modern mcu movies that Does a thing where I just go like oh, that's character and it wasn't said nice You know, we had like what or maybe two examples in all of the ad by movie. It's like that's so bad When that's like the primary thing I love about film Absorbing so much storytelling without just some guy telling me all of it. Yeah Like a memory store or uh Or a new rebel fucking link machine. Yeah a memory memory spaceship Because this one won the comment in the chat. I thought Hawkeye wasn't catastrophic Reminds me of the I like gruel That is the greatest compliment you can pay to anything in the phase four it wasn't catastrophic That wasn't catastrophic Uh Layer of universes that's pretty good So I don't know if you can add more at this point. Oh don't tempt them I guess we were constantly thinking about um, like going bigger and bigger and bigger With multiverses and all that sort of thing and we never considered. Oh, yeah, that's right I can just go smaller smaller smaller with the quantum verse and everything Which they're running because they go smaller, but then they get also bigger at the same time. Oh, yeah And they have portals everywhere and his machine is a multiversal traveling machine Just like you don't even English isn't of has a point does it? It's just all words That's good writing Reject MCU celebrate Elden Ring's birthday. Oh Who's your good boy? So, uh, if everyone's all right with it, we can start Dealing with the super chats that came in from as early as our first stream on this and we'll just go chronologically Fine, probably go for a up to a five hour stream. I would say and then we'll catch the rest on a catch up So, um, if everyone can make it The first one says modoc cast which is still applicable actually true Very true Now how am I supposed to know who is who? Yeah, that was a problem in the previous one. You have to go by the rings. I guess the rings were the only way though I loved when modoc said it's modoc in time and modoc all over the unfinished CGI truly an ant man of all time Yes, it sure was yes, it's one of the ant men of all time No way I was gonna watch this movie. Thank goodness for eFap also high rags Hello We were promised modoc's ass Listen, if if if one of the guys here posts it in the uh in the chat, I'll I'll put it on screen. Okay I'm gonna go hunting for ass really on you No way. Oh wait. Yeah, um Also calling it now the box office will drop more than 70 percent next weekend. I don't see it making more than lost ant man Oh, look at you Well, mr. Taco about it. Good job. You can you get some eFap points. No pooch points spend in the discord Well, I think it's it's bigger than me You know this time it's really oh no stop did both of you I want you I got there first. Oh, no, I'm gonna choose metals Why how could you modoc everybody? Cool hang on while I get his ass ready In theory, he's got long on the other side of there. Everyone in chat get your ass is ready here comes Here comes the modic Uh That's what I want. There we go This is a moment in the movie I'm just gonna let this sit for a little bit. Maybe a moment of silence for modoc Butte rip Haha, what a joke even though he saved the universe The multiverse sorry didn't mean to undersell it Look at it. I want you to look at her Mm-hmm I mean you could say this represents the state of marble I guess You could you could say that those pull the effects artists. Yep Well, yeah, because I think that was something that was um, that was in an article that came out after the last stream that um apparently Black Panther Wakanda forever was prioritized individual effects pipeline And so with ant-man that had less resources less people in less time to get it done I think Uh, look at how that turned out. Oh, yeah Brilliantly laziest post credit scene ever. I'm assuming they're referring to the um, oh, yeah post credit would be the the Loki one Yeah, that's just that's probably just a snippet of a scene from a scene from the actual. Yeah Why are you using mr. Electric as your psp? Uh pfp you thought you were breaking down ant-man. Yeah, there are a lot of comparisons to the villain of shock boy and lava girl have been made seems fair Um But no we we had all modox. Could you believe it and we still have all modox? All modox all the time. I can't believe you haven't read amazing fantasy 50. I know that meme I'm familiar with that meme And uh, of course being a true nerd. I have read it. Uh, totally 100. Yes definitely The power of modoc was too strong If that just means us he even modocked all over us and We are modoc in response. Yeah modoc Modoc is reborn. Yeah. I mean, this is this is a new take on modoc. Hopefully it'll become everyone's favorites ah, man Another yet another comic book character that was just shat all over. I mean, I don't give a I don't I don't care myself But you think about all those fans of the comics and everything and this is what they they do The thing about it is I guess it's the they should be surprised that Someone like modoc gets completely shown when they'll shit on, you know, captain marvel got obliterated Uh into a brand new sort of thing that they wanted to do in the same vein that what i'm trying to say is like Even main heroes get it. So of course side villains will get it Um Who's your favorite between cassie reary and america? Oh Oh, god damn it probably it might actually be america. I think out of the three of those Because reary does that insane thing where she nearly kills all those police In that sequence. Oh, because I was sitting there and like reary wasn't like oh, yeah And then cassie's an asshole here to rescue you but america. I mean she's just kind of like annoying She doesn't she's not that bad Uh, well, she's pretty hapless. I guess. Yeah, it's just sort of getting thrust from one scenario to another Oh, I guess america Um Wtf yo, I think this was just them dealing with our fps at the time Yeah yo, um, so like I was saying I definitely wasn't planning to watch amp man three so thank goodness for efap. Hi rags Well, hello. What these have turned into is this Like we start with like you won't believe this and then We just tell you what happened in the movie. That's it Because it's just insane Always insane It is we're just in that there. We're just in that realm of absurdity right now. We're just Nothing means anything nothing means anything Oh, and that's true from uh, james said america is willing to let herself be killed at the end to stop wander like, yeah You know, that's that's a slight boon to a character. I guess Yeah, that's something Um, they make a forgettable parents are reachable randomly though, so Uh, hello all we can learn a lot from ants. Yes Actually stage two technocratic society ants, okay Lord longbong of mubrington abbey. Is there any good chance for kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on It'd be a movie fap for the ages. Yes. Hello ragsies screeches for the good boy Oh, thanks much. Actually, that was a good idea. The long kong is a pretty neat idea. Yeah That's a neat idea. I haven't heard that in a long time. I feel nostalgic. Oh, well I don't believe for second that the long konga won't happen. It'll definitely happen My curiosity at this point will be once it's released. What will this poor person do? What will they what will they how they move on in life? They must have another kong of long of some sort to to want Another kong of long This is all they need in their life and then they can just retire Yeah, go live on a farm Raise sheep. Where were you raising sheep on a farm? Oh my god, he's coming back. He's coming back boys He'll probably be less cringe though. So it won't be as funny And people will think that it's all the same and it'd be like nope. He was not cringe here. He was cringe before You think after all this time the actor is like wait again Okay, I'll take the paycheck. I don't know. I don't know what's happening He's like Michael Shannon be the kind of person be like what the fuck's even happening and it's like No idea, but you're back now. He's like cool And then he talks to the guy who plays fucking modoc and he's like, yeah, I don't know man I was in one of the the older ant-man ones and I'm back to But I had a but I had a big face. I saw I don't He's like, oh, are you in this new flash thing? He's like, no, no, no the marvel one. He's like, yeah Yeah, the marvel one. He's like, no you wait Which one is which were you in and he's like the one with the small guy that goes big and stuff It's like, oh, I got the fast guy one. It's like, oh the fast guy one. Yeah, fast guy. I love fast guy fast guy's cool Kick j well j was kicked. There you go works out perfectly Laziest post-credits scene ever. Oh, I guess two people felt that way This one just says mo cuck Start with basic lines then see other players interpretations. This could be fun everyone EFAP quotes out of context have returned even though this technically wasn't on EFAP Okay, all right. I I always Wasn't that on one of my drunk streams? Possibly. Yes. Pretty sure that sounds like a gothic phone thing. Yeah It is it is a gothic phone thing. It's when that game was new and then we went to hell. It was pretty funny times Uh, hello moldock ragdoc fring doc j doc capital mo doc and j much love to all here Oh j got two. Hello. What's that about? Yeah, and I got none. I see how it is. Oh, I'll say hi though. Hello. Hello. Hey, what's up? Moby doc Moby doc Um, how did you guys learn critical thinking I find myself only repeating the opinions of people I respect And I'd like to be able to form my own opinions that go deeper than the surface level um So I am sure that there are many many books and resources that will like run through the process of critical thinking I would imagine right, but where did you learn it fringy? I don't know I have no idea I mean, I usually end up signing out a whole bunch of influences that would have helped me out uh Primarily at one point That moved me from like younger teenage years to older teenage years and really I don't know. That seems to be where I started getting much better at it from my point of view. It would have been listening to loads of debates I loved listening to all kinds of debates and uh, specifically Christopher Hitchens ones. Those were very impactful and um I don't know like it's it's kind of hard to say exactly What any individual should do because I would probably recommend books and it's like what ones did you read and I'd be like, uh But you know, um, I don't know and then It's I don't even know what a class looks like to teach it Like that's a pretty good one if you just like read about the Socratic method that'll probably help out a bunch Good question seems to be the fundamental if you can ask good questions. You're in a you're in a good place Yeah, I was asking yourself. Why do you believe the things that you believe? Can you back up yourself that a lot? Yeah Can you if can you? Like back up anything that you believe You explain that to somebody else in a way that's coherent in a way that they could understand and apply themselves And how good are you to people that what you think is correct? I met Moller and then he showed me how bad everything is Oh, I guess you'd want to be trying to apply it more broadly to uh, it's a life right in general. Yeah Find someone that shows you how bad everything is I think it's at some point just started looking at things and it's like I think this makes a lot of sense and then just like, oh Maybe just start thinking about it make your own do your own research Like don't take everything Forward, you know, just and keep thinking about I guess the foundations for what everything comes from and then the foundations of those things and then so on And uh, yeah, like the more that you can boil it down to some fundamentals is because I'm pretty sure like Socrates This whole perspective was people who say something and then if you ask them why they can't give you an answer Or maybe they can give you one answer and then you ask them again and then that's the end like that's the end of the The uh, the the like conversation tree. Yeah Yeah, also Be careful with online stuff. I guess I mean it's on on one hand. It's like it's like really good You can look everything up But on the other hand, you probably need to look twice or maybe maybe three times To see if it's actually true what's been said. I don't know man. I just apply that to all of life I mean, yeah, I mean just like when you when you want to check things out It's like, hey, I want to know more about this But then just don't take one source but maybe cross-reference and stuff like that and see if that's there's any Any truth to that if it makes sense Maybe just take the one source and start asking questions like hey, what about what what what if this happens? Will that apply and then maybe just go from there? Yeah, someone in chat said get those first principle juices flowing. Yeah right I'm always correct. I guess the The extra addition would be I don't know. I guess if you think about stuff for long enough You probably get better at thinking about stuff. Yeah Yeah, that's uh, that's another one I Greetings your long nurse king moorler of evap. I'm here to humbly demand an unbridled slash critique of the iron giant Also kick frong old Damn dang damn damn damn damn damn I uh, I mean Maybe maybe someday. I could see myself making something for iron giant. I don't know when don't know exactly what it would be Maybe someday I think guardians of galaxy three will give a bigger bump to the marvel movie afterwards But if they don't significantly improve I don't see it having much impact Um, it's gonna be a weird one. I'm very curious to see what happens with it I'm curious to see what it's gonna be and I'm curious to see what the reaction is overall imagine It like has a significantly stronger and by that I mean lesser drop-off at the at the box office as if And and marvel is just not gonna be able to figure that out. Why why is it happening? It'd be like because movies suck man Welcome back j also high fringy J I did not care for ant movie. It insists upon itself Um, I don't know if it insists upon itself actually um, I mean maybe a little well with the whole like That that that opening is pretty insistent that ant man has lost his way and he needs to start helping people again He needs to stop looking the other way and it's like where the fuck is this coming from? Why are you insisting that this is the The reality of the situation when it totally isn't at all Right, I I'm not sure and then like they repeat that message a couple of times at the end of the film He's just like so I did the look the other way Whatever yeah, that's goof the goof in the end. I learned just don't worry about it. No I learned to stop caring Uh epic scene j on well so you end up seeing a little more of of Star wars pain to come and you might just see j popping on them as well Big star wars fan. Oh, yes. That's what we all are. We all love it Just watch them which trinity of bch s bch s Bitches I guess. Oh trinity of bitches, of course the famous A trinity of bitches it nearly killed me in better news. My wife gave me a pass to show her any movies So tonight we're watching fellowship a Remember to teach her how to feel about it too Yes, you cannot allow her to not like that Like you I you cannot be married to someone or in a relationship with any human being Who doesn't like the lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring There are several forms of torture that can change a person's mind on these sorts of things Check the wikipedia. Yeah, you have to yeah do what you have to Hello everyone and hi rags Hi, what's up? How would you rank the characters from andor and how would you rate the show out of 10? Also, welcome back j I rank the um how to rank them. That's really tough. There's some that rise to the top Particularly luthan and mon mothma. I think are my personal top two But you're never upset to see anybody you never feel like oh, it's these characters. It's the weak part There's a there's value to be taken from pretty much all of the plots as they come together And What would I rate it out of 10? Highly but I can't remember if we did we give a number I don't think we did. Um, I don't know I would like broadly say yeah, seven territory seems right. I could probably maybe be pushed a bit higher I don't know. I'd have to remember though I feel like I can be pushed higher than I can be pushed lower I also like that. I forget the name of the character, but whoever anti-circus played. I really liked him as well Yeah, he's You know, that's a kinoloino Yeah, good stuff. Look forward to seeing all three of them back in season two. Hopefully Yeah, I'm uh, yeah, absolutely. I really I'm very excited to see more. Yeah I'm too. I'm not sure No, if that if that's if that's it for them time That's it for good star wars after season two. All right. I'll take it and leave I guess You'll never leave Well leave in the sense of uh, of like I get to have it. It's mine now I'll take the good and or seasons away from me More this is a weird request, but I'd love to see efap react to the walking with trilogy It'd be fun to see you guys cover documentaries I'd be on board with that. I just don't know how I would be. Yeah, I'd be down with that Yeah, I don't think we've covered a documentary before we watched a I know we watched a tar the other day That felt like a documentary But um, I would totally be down to watch a documentary. Yeah, especially if it was You know how sometimes in documentaries, I don't think this would apply to Walking with like dinosaurs and stuff But you know shows that are like history shows and they try to recreate sort of like scenes for entertainment effect and And some of them can be really bad And you can tell that they clearly reuse sets or just move everything around in the room so that it's a different room and stuff But sometimes that's amusing Eight hanks socialism line, especially when janet got lost as they tried to stop a ussr nuke in the first movie Um, I don't there's this thing though. I don't understand it at all. It was baffling I don't get what they're trying to say. Yeah, it's really weird to actually figure out what hank means And then why would they have hank of all people say it to just like, okay I guess I guess they just made him say it because it's his ants. They're his ants. I think that's the only reason Yeah, you try to go further than that when you write character lines, you know Well, they don't so shut up It really seems to me like the writer is just kind of sympathetic to socialism and wanted to throw in a little thing That's that's it didn't seem like it was any more than that to me I guess it's cringe But it seems pretty awkward to be like man, those ants have got to figure it out Being basically blindly subservient to that queen throwing themselves in the war to die You know that world of ants kursgesacht makes some really interesting videos about how horrific the world of ants really is That's a pretty fucked up guys. The insect realm is a nightmare dimension. Yeah, the insect realm is hell It's hell on earth and it's playing out every day Do you think hank's super smart ants? It's like had a violent revolution and then over through their queen and killed her What they had a french revolution but for ants Yeah, well, I don't think they could have I don't why I mean you got to get the new ants somehow, right? Maybe oh and like a bunch of like growth vats for ants. They don't need a queen anymore Yeah, maybe um pretty smart. Well We don't see it, but I would imagine the ants overthrow and destroyed all the robots and got rid of kang And they're looking around they're like, well, this place is pretty decent technological I guess we'll move in and so everything and then and then try hard is like, hey, you know Thanks for the help. Oh, you know, we'll see you guys around. I guess here's our number in case anything happens in the ants are like, oh No, we're in charge now So we're gonna need you to sort of find a use uh, because otherwise we'll be getting rid of you pretty quick like, uh You guys are good work as I assume We all have to you know, if there's one thing that we as ants have learned is that we all have a part to play Yeah, you have a part to play in our world In the world of the ants and then she's like, I wonder if we'll be a part of your world and he's like, that's the only world So, oh no There is And then she's like and and people please come back at bed and and it's like bye the portal clothes We we've even mentioned how there's amazing technology the quantum realm you're gonna tell any of the heroes about this probably not Whatever Uh Will you make a choice you guys must choose to willingly sacrifice one of the panel to prevent the apocalypse or these disasters will continue No Sacrifice one of the people here to prevent the apocalypse. I mean I guess so Sorry, Mel Sorry No, you can't We will build a statue it will be big Yes, it will statues to you. You'll be in the history books. It'll be one of those statues that fits on a little shelf I'll say that you volunteered so that your friends could live In memory. Isn't it crazy? Nobody will ever know what modoc sacrificed for them. Where's uh, no one's gonna tell anybody about that No, yeah, nobody will ever know There'll be like some clown died. That'll be it There's a big head. Oh, I imagine they doubled down on the joke in another movie I could see that happen and they're like what this freak it hit a big face gross Yeah, no, I could see that being like a little a me me conversation where uh, doc strangers like yeah, there was uh It was insane. There was this giant, you know one-eyed creature attacking the city And then and then it maybe makes reference of how big his head is and the man's like big head Believe me. I you won't believe what I saw down there. Maybe like he died for you Just nice and awkward silence Then we all throw tomatoes at scott Fuck you scott Also from all our free will you stream the metroid prime remaster? Uh, I believe he is very interested in doing so as am I but we're both waiting for the physical versions because I don't want to just have it installed on my switch I want to have the little little plastic that proves that I'm a proud owner of such a game Are they making a physical one? Yeah nice That's good. Yeah I set it on metals forge and I will say it here I work at the theater and most people who come out of ant-man look dead inside and silent Silent never have heard dead silence so much in a row I Can attest to that. Yes. I was what are you supposed to think, you know I got better though Who has the better design modoc mr. Electric or probo pass from pokemon Probo pass. Okay. Well, uh, or mr. Electric Mr. Electric is the meme that everyone's spreading around for uh from shock boy Probo passes Yeah Clearly probo passes the winner. Probo passes clearly. Yeah, it evolves from nose pass Is modoc woke? No, he's dead I don't think he's woke He's he's definitely not alive. I don't know if that answers the question or not Uh, yeah, I don't know. That's just funny to think about is a giant head people woke. I don't know Representation matters. Okay. Yes. He's physically disabled I guess Well, yeah, I guess so he has his little floaty chair though and and he's doing okay until he died He's he's he's empowered kind of but I don't know No, he's asleep When the loss of his is over will you guys do an efap for it or are the tv minis the plan thus far high rags? Hi Can't imagine us doing an efap and the minis Yeah, the minis because surely when the last episode comes out, we're gonna have our sort of retrospective on the entire journey And again depending on how it ends which is you know the concern that a lot of us have We will see and if it ends you think there'll be uh any interesting videos to cover about it. Maybe I don't know. I don't know about videos. Um, yeah, I haven't really watched I'm going into these pretty much just the only I guess the only Um exposure I've got to outside influence is just our own chat pretty much but Uh plenty of convos to be had especially conversations that last episode is going to be a big one for chatting, you know Yeah, just sometimes that's just hard to believe that some people don't think the show's good, but oh well, they can be wrong Uh Remember how tony had to build a suit with scraps and so much difficulty and now any rando 18 year old can make nano tech in her backyard I remember I just saw it. She read jinnles or whatever and she's pretty. Yeah, she's pretty smart Pretty smart girl. He also could he also was only able to power it for a couple of minutes before his chest piece run out Yeah, well Because he sucks No, you better scrubs Told it hank pym first cuck of the mcu More like hank cuckum Pim oh god fucking Mola would you consider in your next unbridled yelling in welsh as a gag you could use english is so basic welsh is a funny language I mean, maybe it's very true So basic I think it would confuse everybody and they'll be like you used elvish. What the fuck and be like, no it's a different thing Because fringy has been ending a lot of the streams, uh in welsh. So I figure that you should be the one to kind of Well, I mean I should stop doing australian stuff like when I get really angry like this fucking thing makes no sense This piece of shit. Oh put it out in the bar, but that's what they say That's that that is uh, so immense that doesn't that was really intensely australian Yeah, I had to check and make sure he was still, uh, dude when I was saying it I was like, oh fuck. I don't actually make it sound like fringy saying this so I had to stop straight away They knew it would uh, it would be a form of like, you know, put him with his mouth. I wouldn't want to do that Uh I think having oc and af on might be worth it. Stitch and adam did all right, but it got real messy toward the end You guys do really well at pinning them Dude, they want no, that's what they want. They want to go on shows and just be idiots It's all right. We got stuff to do Motherfuckers. I'm busy. Okay Every time I'm not breaking down a Story or breaking down another story and then I'm playing a game to set up for when we break down a video game to break down thing and then edit a thing and it's like Not interested in the like drama fleams, but hey more power to stitch and adam They're funny lads and uh, I've seen plenty of clips Uh, same for Eric July. It's just Do whatever you fuckers want. It's it's it's funny. I will I will agree with that Um I'm getting definitive answers out of them rather than getting bogged down in details I just don't think I don't think they're dishonest or anything just really stupid. Wow That's generous Especially after the uh, what we saw of osi's coverage of uh, my doctor's rage video Um wish all people involved the best luck Wonder if I'd need booze to watch this film suffered through it today with my nephew and the answer is yes A little bit. Yeah So I think if you had booze it's gonna make you things even more difficult to understand But I guess going from like zero to zero plus doesn't really change anything Yeah, sometimes I I you know when people say like oh, you need to be drunk or high to appreciate this because it's bad It's like, I don't know if that would make it any better I would just be more annoyed if I'm drunk Watching this because I could be enjoying my drunk doing something else Uh, just now getting here. Why are all of you mo doc? We need a reason now Oh Jeez Racist kind of hatred is unacceptable Imagine meeting you here small world Small world This film is trash, but I'll always hate endgame the most I can see why you'd hate endgame the most but yeah Endgame perhaps had the most potential to be good Comparatively, you know, like if they didn't fuck it up the high would have been a lot better Like whereas if they didn't fuck this up, I don't I'm not even sure what how this could have been good That makes any sense. It was a few years. We might have been able to write something I don't know if that's true So if there's a 50-foot ape kang a kang kong if you will can I call him a chunky monkey? Oh Tony stank Deep cut references in there also high rags and cap. I'm ready for devs four It's coming Go tighten up Your butt it's coming Tighten up that butt every time madman jumps on a shoulder. It's a downward thrust Nice also deep cut reference All the deep cuts you guys have the best references Incredible memory. You've got the best references. That's like my favorite thing from uh, this is the end. You guys ever see that movie? Yeah, yeah, your references are just out of control Everybody knows that you got the best references It's like what? I like that movie. There's some lines in it that I'm like, that's pretty fucking funny. You're not gonna lie. That's good stuff Yeah Every time oh wait, yeah wong fortify your minds is my favorite line in phase four Fortify your mind is it the delivery because he looks so Weird and intense what he says it or is it just the concept that's making you I don't know it could be both Uh, there is this frustrating idea for the mcu that it should continue reflecting our world when the technology Events and problems within this world should push things farther and farther from that They're insane at this point. They have to ignore It's not just the advancement of any one technology. They have like shit tons in all different. Um Think of like a technology tree in civilization They've like they've hacked into and grabbed the top tier of like each of the different trees all at once It's like what happens now. It's like, I don't even know The world is basically the same except for when the plot needs it to be different. Yeah Really annoying Everything's a fucking mess Holy hell these profile pics just got here and immediately terrified also high rags Hi, what what could possibly be terrifying? It's wonderful. They're all friendly and he's a friendly boy We're not here to hurt you imagine Lockheed martin just casually created subatomic weapons technology in the u.s Government just going k cool. Have fun They used to care. It was time where tony made weapons and the government was like, hey Hey, that's just another thing. I immediately realized my real iron man ones like hey, they actually Think about the whole Uh flying zone thing when he just flies around the world in america the american air force like what's this thing? What's the we should probably shoot that down. It's an active war zone out there I guarantee you that this universe even has like governments when they made it. They were like, you know If this actually happened like if a guy made a suit like this and just start flying around shooting shit What would happen? Like well It would piss the fuck out of a lot of agencies They'd be like, what the hell are you doing and then they try and shoot them down or contact him and Then there'd be legal issues about property Weaponry there's there's lots of stuff that would come up and then and then the film was like, hey Here's some examples of that like oh Oh shit nice Uh, there are infinite m om versions where dr. Strange is suddenly left alone standing without charvars when someone in Universe chooses pepsi instead of seven up I mean if it's possible it's going to happen an infinite amount of times in the infinite multiverse Oh, yeah, because they're talking about how there's only there's only one charvars, right? So Every time a universe is generated from any kind of choice It has to be that she's deleted from The duplicate so to speak, right Every time or yeah, I don't even know if Yeah, that's true. If there's only one of her then no branching timelines could ever exist that have to do with How does that work it doesn't even bother? Yeah, I No, no, well you see rags if there were multiple of her it creates way more problems for the script So it has to be we we are opting for the lesser of two fuck ups. I guess I don't even know if it's the last one because Yeah, I don't know. I'd have to think about it, but I don't think I want to hit in the brain, doesn't it? Like yeah, I don't think it makes sense. I just don't think it makes sense Magic pimp articles pimp wizard as oh my god as wrote the pimp articles as save the world As often save the world Pumping pimp sounds nasty Yeah It does it be do Yo dawg, I heard you like pimp particles. So we use pimp particles on your pimp particles So now you can grow your stalk as you grow your crops Pimp particles are just They've become every the other tech. It's just it's just they just do whatever you want them to do anymore And you can't do anything whenever because of pimp particles They're around and they're not They cost less than eight dollars to make Apparently, yeah And you have infinite amounts of them Well, they're they're once you learn how to make them they're eight dollars each But you're all by that point you're millions and millions in the whole because of all the R&D that you've had to do over the years and Oh No, because hanks just that good That's true. He's that good He just the man just want the man's just a pizza lover. Mm-hmm. Smart hank Pretty smart hank That hank knows what's up Which victory would the ants go for in civilization? What would a cultural victory look like for the ants? What would the government would the government be socialism? Hi, Fringy They'd be a hive mind, wouldn't they? Yeah Probably yeah I feel like any form of government that an ant society creates would be pretty incomparable with anything that a human created because ants aren't people They're different. Yeah, they don't think about like people. They don't care about the things people care about They're not going to structure the society like people They're just completely different creatures. Yeah, exactly. And then of course it depends on which type of ant society We're talking about because different species of ants have different governments If you want to call that different systems of governance I just like the idea now of a sitcom about like a world of ants and it's just Seeing ant society work and maybe it's like the first ant republic. They have their own like war of independence or something and then And there's no translation to english. It's just Yeah, of course you gotta do like in the instance when the uh the ants are in space and they're all talking to each other We have to protect the queen. I'm the queen. No, you're not Oh god, and we need an eye for one welcome our insect overlords I'd like to remind them that I too could be useful in rounding up Slaves to toil in their underground sugar caves The fact that hey, there's a good example of a of a great joke The fact that they've got fully rendered graphics Like that they put up on screen of ants whipping humans Like the fact that they have that and then in the next scene with kent brock But he's just got a piece of paper stuck to the wall that says hail ants like scrolled on it When he goes to the sugar caves immediately like he's familiar enough to know what what use he can have and you know what My man, my man. Well, no, he wasn't going to go to them He was going to round people up to toil in their sugar caves. He was doing Well, it was something that was talked about in silicon valley. I can't remember what it was called but your foil was talking about um artificial intelligence and that there was like some sort of um It was some sort of wager that if uh If if if artificial intelligence eventually took over the world that might be incentivized to punish those who didn't actively help It come uh to exist and so he was going to help create ai so that he would be saved from judgment day Make sense. I don't think it's it. I don't know if it does would an ai really give a shit about punishing people If it didn't help them we would program it to Maybe you would go after oh, yeah Roco's basilisk. That's what it was called Oh, it's like gilfoil. I couldn't help but think of gilfoil. That's what came to mind No, his name is gilfoil and he is a very gilfoil nobody here was what silicon silicon valley Have they I have not I have damn you're all missing out. That show is really great. It's really really funny How many seasons are there of it? Uh, they did six. Um, is it consistently good the whole time? Uh, it it starts to it starts to wave it towards the end Um, like the first couple of seasons are really funny but then the longer it goes on it starts to get harder and harder for them to Figure out like what the central thrust of each season will be because it is it is serialized And so like as the season's going it kind of gets harder and harder for them to Sort of pivot to keep keep the story going I still think it comes to a satisfying conclusion. But yeah, it uh, it's it's really at its best in the first few seasons Yeah, I'll check it out same guy who made king of the hill Which I need to watch now as an adult to see if I can fully appreciate it now King of the hill. It's definitely better as an adult for me Well, yeah, because as a kid I was like, oh, that's the show the propane guy He talks about propane Hello evap, I was just wondering would you ever consider covering anything to do with 40k universe be warned reading through its stories as a mammoth task I don't think any of us know much of anything about it. I'm afraid all I know is that a little bit It's like an interesting universe that's very grim and oppressive But cool. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess if something big comes out with it Maybe but I'd watch like the thing that Henry Cavill's making Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely I think the most exposure I have to it is I think I read one short story from like a compilation that I um That I bought like in a book And the flash gets cartoons about about uh, about warhammer. Those are pretty entertaining Warhammer guys versus ferries Uh, Cassie is the cobbled girl from men in black cobbled girl I don't remember that. I'm afraid it doesn't trigger any memories. I'm about the first one Uh, yeah, kind of I don't know if like she's actually in it or not is what you're saying or if it's a reference, but Is may a pretty smart aunt Uh, sure Sure, Hank would say that Very friendly about all those odds What are y'all's thoughts on mr. Robot Um I watched the first three seasons. I didn't watch the last season and it has been a long time since I watched it I remember really enjoying it, but I think that's one that I would um In order to make a statement on I would need to rewatch it in fall from beginning to end Yeah, I wouldn't be able to say anything about it It is watched it It is an interesting show like it's a very unique show in terms of the way that it's presented like cinematography framing I high concept. Well, uh, that's probably not as unique but Yeah, I'll have to rewatch it I have seen the show that the mr. Robot creators made after it The first season of it anyway, it's a show called homecoming Uh with julia roberts and the first season is very very good and apparently the second season sucks I didn't bother with it. But if you just watch the first season, it's quite good. I highly recommend it Yeah, sam esmael. I think his name is yeah Homecoming is pretty solid. I liked it a lot He's uh, he's one of those hyper involved like he towards the end of mr. Robot He was directing just about every episode of that of that show. Oh, wow Like at the beginning it wasn't so much but then the longer it went on he started directing more and more episodes That's a lot of work Most people don't do that Well, it's a reason why most tv shows have a bunch of different directors rather than you know one person directing the whole thing so I know that that uh Chernobyl was all directed by uh, what's the guy's name? He directed all the episodes? Yeah, great mountain. Is he does he direct all the episodes of the last of us? No, no, but I think he I think he's written every episode except for one that was written or co-written by neil drachman, I think Um, otherwise he's written at all I think so From what people saw in uh, seven chat. I think I remember it's like it's activating A bit of my almonds about men in black one Isn't it that he's given a target practice and he doesn't shoot an alien He does shoot the little girl and then he's asked why and he says because the alien was just doing its thing It's got like a handbag or something. It's totally chill But the little girl why the hell is she in this environment? Like he says like it's it's like however at night. It's a dangerous street and she's just out here with a teddy bear I don't believe I that he was like pretty sure she's a fucking threat Something like that Or something. Yeah, it's fun. But maybe they're saying that the cardboard girl was uh modeled after like The cassie's actress, but it's a little girl. I don't know Maybe that's the the amount of dimensions her character has who knows Got him So the quantum realm is like zen from half-life kind of Just a fucky yucky world with all kinds of crazy crazy things But there's no g-man though there true We get bill murray instead What a waste of bill murray Yeah, he was such a nothing burger in this movie I mean people were like, oh my god, that's bill murray Like you can kind of feel that energy in the audience when he came on screen But then there was nothing especially funny. He did. Oh and she has a book on quantum physics Yeah, and he's like what the fuck why does she have a book on quantum physics? I remember There you go. Black was fun. I haven't seen an age. Yeah, that's fun. I watched it recently. It's fun Vincent Dinafrio is like the bug man guy. He's incredible. I remember Uh ant milk That is all Goodwin ant man or dirant the pokemon Probably ant man because he can do the whole go big thing And go really small and be like was it d ur? Yes It's like a mechanical ant Ant man's gonna fuck it up It's just showing some basketball player Kevin dirant. Yeah Durant pokemon I mean ant man might be able to control that ant. Oh, that's true against this will Well That ethical I tell you Surely ant man would win Yeah Reading quantum mechanics with a high school level knowledge of math. It's like reading Shakespeare without knowing the alphabet Well She's a pretty smart girl Yeah, she was a pretty smart girl. So I feel like you're not taking this into account. The setup Change is everything What if I know the beta bed Doctor strange you're a jerk for always saving the world instead of just being a normal person ant man You're a jerk for being a normal person instead of always saving the world confused Jackie Chan face Yeah, well, doc strange. He just kept holding the knife, you know Meaning he kept making the big decisions and this is a story you can make out of that, but And it ain't what we were given He didn't do it. Maybe one day they will Would you rather spend a month working with shulk or solving a mystery with velma? Sorry to hear about aquaman that movie's a hilarious fever dream Well Please how long was shulk a month Wait, what was the time for velma then? What was that? You have to work with velma on one mystery or work for a month with shulk Yeah, but maybe you could like cheese it Maybe the mystery could be like who the last of the milk Do I might get paid? It's probably as bad as like This is like like you have to listen to what she says or something and maybe you don't get paid. Maybe it's like an internship Hmm gross. Yeah I can't help but think which of the metas could I like rig in my favor Not she knows Like what kind of favor what what could what would I have to do to get she hulk the show to Give me a good story or a good ending or something You'd have to get what I had to do for velma At least with velma, you could just like kick the shit out of her because she's just a girl or something You know she hulk she can literally warp time and space to fuck you over Yeah, but then velma would get you in like jail or something Like it because everything works out for you or something lose your brain. Yeah, you could also have your brain lost So Well, they're both pretty painful I was just gonna go with whichever one was shortest and I feel like as long as I can solve the mystery That ends my time with velma, right? It could be any mystery. I don't have to spend that much time with her. I'll be like, oh, I'll do this job You go do that job. Bye. Let's split up and search for clues. Yeah, there you go There's the hack. I mean while the shulk one feels a bit more trapped like actually working with her on a on a case, you know I don't know because I could I could kill velma too maybe get away with it and then become I must say create a mystery to be sold As a straight white guy, I don't feel safe in either world. No Your brain's coming out. It's gonna spill across the floor Or you'll be the villain. Maybe you'll do it to yourself Oh being the villain could be fun Quantum realm is a cheap copy of ego's planet Yeah, a little bit Kind of similar designs similar artwork, but uh, you know, fuck it, right? Whatever Fringy look up humanity lost by callum diggle ij Okay Oh, they want you to look up humanity humanity lost I guess the book Who's the author? Callum diggle great surname Diggle. Yeah Oh, is that like uh, oh, it's a comic book Like uh, okay interesting Just wanted to recommend a music group if you haven't heard of them. They're called two steps from hell There's hundreds of songs, but some good starters are flight of the silver bird enchantress and fateful night iraqs Hello I think I've had two steps from how they look like an orchestral sort of thing All right fair enough. Well, that's what's showing up when I search for it on youtube This brew was hooked on velma. No Oh The actor that plays kang is actually really good. He's outdoing what the director tells him I mean, I can believe that maybe yeah I just there's there's a couple of moments in the in the film where I kind of like him The performance is a lot more subtle and less retarded, but I feel like he lost it a bit along the way And then he got really clowny in the in the post-sport mid-credits scene It's just hard to line up with these characters Oh, and he was like hyper clowny and low key then as well He was very clowny. He was I think it was just The way that they wanted him his character to sort of act was totally off and low key When we talked about it, we had way better ideas Kind of feel bad for the modoc actor having his face memed into oblivion, but god damn is it hilarious He probably thinks it's bullshit. The whole thing is funny. I doubt he takes it seriously at all. Yeah He's like, whatever. I was in some bullshit superhero movie where my face was on some head guy Right around doing stupid laser shit. I don't know It's also funny because it doesn't really look like him because of the way they've squished it Yeah, I don't think a lot of people would recognize it if they saw him in person Broggo talk about kizak's shrinking video Uh, I think that was a recent one, but I couldn't I I don't remember that one so well Uh So I couldn't I couldn't explain it to you Sorry Uh, could 250 have a buffy angel discussion that will happen eventually and do the day it finally does happen Oh, uh, can I please be there please? Oh if you want it Well, we're we're planning on doing all kinds of things for you to buffy an angel one day Not anytime soon, but I'll I'll get you sure. I'm still alive. I would like to be part of that It'll be a big air for that point I think the curse gizak video they were talking about was about basically shrinking down into like quantum spaces And like what that might look like And I get the impression that curse gizaks would have presented a more plausible and interesting Version of that then just a place where you just walk around and there are cities and Is huville also in the quantum realm probably, yeah Maybe that's the subatomica Ah Now it all starts to make sense Uh, this movie wasn't hand-holding. It was like being thrown into a wheelchair and wheeled into a mcdonald's playroom by a nurse going Here you go. Oh good boy Yeah a little bit Just for reference a class 2 civilization is one that's capable of enveloping its own star in a Dyson sphere And as humans right now won't even hit level one for another two to three hundred years, but ants Yeah, but they had thousands and thousands of years I do love the idea that there is currently a Dyson sphere on the fucking sud in the mcu universe It belongs to those baddo ads. You're like What? It's like stolen all the power. Yeah, let's go with it I feel like it could really revolutionize literally everything if what hank said about that was true, but Well, I mean, of course it does you it means you basically at that point have as much energy as you could ever need as a society That's basically what being type 2 is What's that? What's energy useful for Oh, I don't know what the energy do it for me. Yeah, what does energy ever done for me except to be me Like that I am energy Um Who runs flimps worse asra flash or cassie? Oh, because of the running animation and the run um, that's a tough one because The run for flash is like flimpy, but it's like mental look that way Whereas like the cassie run was just a mistake That was an error No Because yeah flash runs in a way that's weird but not in a way that's like, oh, that's some bad visual effects It was so bad that little run the animation And it's like some poor guy you probably had like barely any time to make that happen to work on that shot Uh, finally I've caught up and caught a live efap and watching slash listening to you guys since the 90s Has been an incredible experience filled with joy grief tisms and appreciation for good storytelling. Stay long. Howdy rags Hello When he said I've been listening to you since the 90s, I was like, dang We've been going long time. We're really getting on, you know I didn't remember Well, uh, yeah, good to hear. It's cool. I'm glad you you found such a such highs and lows and Rollercoastery rides way like a marvel movie. You know better. Oh, I mean maybe right now. Yeah, I'd say comfortably, but Hopefully that changes and by that I mean they get so good It better than an efap episode. Could you believe it? Is it even possible? I guess we'll find it Uh shocked and appalled That's all this says. I assume they're talking about modog. I don't know Modog potentially. Oh, yeah, they followed up by saying dude. I just realized what's happening with the faces I'm done. Enjoy your madness I don't know if he's upset or not Uh, imagine if they made it, uh, so they were actually at a limit of how small they could get in this realm Imagine an environment with Character that created unique limitations and challenges to deal with No, that's boring Yeah Why not? Well for every rule you make we're gonna have to just break it later when we come up with different ideas So why not just not make any rules? And then just break stuff from other movies because we don't care about that Here we go Pedro Pascal is great as Joel, but what do you think about it if they got Hugh Jackman to do it? Thanks for all the content I think you can pull it off Yeah, he's a good actor. I really like Hugh Jackman. So Hugh Jackoff You take that back. I saw him in the music man on Broadway and he was pretty great Wait, was he on a Broadway or what does that even mean? Uh, it was this is the broadest way I've ever seen he was on it and he was good on it Oh All right Moller if you haven't already check out the land fit for heroes book series by Richard Morgan Ringgill S. Keith is an extremely well done gay character who's been shaped by his sexuality, but not defined by it Okay, fair enough I'll put in the to-do list though books. Uh, I'm afraid they're there's so much lower down Movies and tv shows being all smug like ha ha we get to go first and books are like I'll get you one day you bastard Speaking of a eyes some made one from Hassan streams It actually kept using the phrase the ends justify the beads over and over I could believe that The second film ends with exploring the quantum Uh Yeah, I guess so there's a bit with the Hank going down there I don't know if he's in the void or the subatomica though Because he's definitely not in the quantum realm So to speak I don't fucking know whatever It's quantum time. What do we what do you have here is a failure to cang-municate Nice Yeah an hour behind but it seems like marvel ripped off the 1992 movie mom and dad save the world Probably What is the rotten tomatoes that's how we know if it's good Uh 12 percent. This was pretty good Pretty good and then 44 percent from audiences There is no saving this off-putting family adventure from its mirthless script Although some inspired production design gives it some visual polish That's not good. Oh my god That's beat An hour behind but it seems like oh wait, sorry Uh, what's with marvel using motherhood to justify insane terrible acts? They also bashed on ant-man for wanting to be a father weird high rags Hello, it is really weird, but I think that the implication they were giving was that he wasn't even being a good dad Because like I said, he didn't know anything about what she's been up to recently He doesn't know anything about his science projects. He doesn't know that she's been in jail But hank does Yeah, I guess we're led to believe that Our our hero ant-man is just like a terrible father or something. But what does he do with his time at that point? I would just have to take a film's word with it. Yeah, I guess he's just doing the books But he seems to be going out like on the street and getting some coffee and smiling at meetings Yeah, but he forgets he doesn't have a like it forgets. He has a daughter But we just have to take the word of the movie and I don't feel like that's conveyed to us accurately at all Yeah, I agree Hi rags Hello If things slow down, could you guys do a retrospective on dead game series like sly cooper or jack and axta also high rags Hello Also also buy rags Goodbye um I don't know if that would come up before Probably doing like I I could see us doing e-fabs on like classic films Maybe picking one each and we do three for a stream or something I could see that being more common than doing something. The problem is like sly cooper and jack and daxter I guess we'd need to all re familiarize ourselves with The series as a whole and then I'm not sure what that stream would really look like but But Could be that if newer iterations of those come out we end up talking about the past we kind of do you know like When we covered the dead space remake we talked a lot about dead space as an ip um, so you know stuff like that could happen, but I'm not sure about the viability otherwise I come five years from the future e-fabs still covers almost every Marvel movie despite them getting worse masochists a lot of you There's no point There is a point. Uh, there is a point. We're helping with that drop-off I'd say so, but it's also just fascinating to see What the most commonly listened to and watched stories are in the world It's super interesting to see like it's almost representative of our culture to some degree Oh, yeah, I mean I I saw it in the theater on opening night. It's a packed house when I saw it I was kind of surprised honestly, but you know people are still going to see these movies It's worth talking about them mine was not packed Far from it gary's attempt. Oh interesting Yeah, I mean, I think at the end you mutually when I was when I arrived a bit early there was like three people in there it filled up a little bit after but For the first night it was out. I don't know then again, maybe I'm a bad I'm a Probably a bad benchmark because I watched the english version in germany and it was like a wednesday night So People speak the least ling english over there. Yeah, that's true Do you think uh, most people would go see the german dub in theaters? Oh, of course. Yeah. Oh really interesting I sometimes I just don't get an english uh, english dub depending on the movie That's kind of surprising because you know when I was in germany most I think most people I interacted with spoke english pretty well Yeah, surprisingly would all go see the german dub of a movie like ant-man Oh, I'm I'm not really They they prefer the the german ones Interesting Thanks, janet. You've just unleashed the 31st century conquering man on every imaginable world and decided to tell one person No one you coward Yeah, pretty much. That's possibly the biggest fuck up in the whole movie. Um, yeah, this doesn't make any sense At least, you know what I'm gonna say at cap at least the the deus ex machina with the ants and the time dilation That's just a stretch. Okay. It's not a hole It's just Yeah, no, that's true It's only a stretch really So I just it's a big tell someone tell tell the avengers like hey, there's like this crazy person in a quantum realm Yeah, and then I don't know maybe the the party can keep secret The secret is that there's people down there. So everyone thinks uh, oh, yeah, I mean he's trapped there But at least no one is in danger And then at some point they figure out hey wait, there's actually people down there and then they're like what the fuck janet Why didn't you tell us and then you can have a drama about that and put that in the story For example, it's a stretched out hole I have hold Uh, I love all chicken double bacon alfredo base and barbeque drizzle I guess that's this person's preference for it's a bit too much sauce for a pizza for my taste, but you didn't say how much I forgot barbeque and alfredo sauce. That seems like Those could be very minimal. That's not the amount. So that's that's fair. You just got pedanted You're right Bet you feel embarrassed now. You're gonna be embarrassed probably For the catch-up friendly neighborhood paleontologist again extinct animal of the day Epikion hey denny aka rags is badass grandpa Um sort of Epikion hey denny Looking it up now There's some My god, I go into images here It looks like a very very yeah like an ancient uh canine Uh, it says it was the largest canine to have ever existed. It lived six to 12 million years ago Wow, it's old That is pretty old. How's he doing? Old man bad Not so good. Not so good. It didn't work out. That's so good I found this Uh and this very high quality image to show the size difference between Epikion hey denny and uh a Canis lupus so just a wolf essentially Um That's pretty big big boy. It's a big dog. That is a large Large dog Pretty strongly though dong probably They look nice. Yeah, they probably got along The biggest army of cyborg ants came in about 90 percent of the resistance is dead Yeah, it's really stupid that they came in so late when they should have just waited for them to launch the attack just them It doesn't like it's actually really annoying. It's like we have resources. What resources we have the ant people It's like cool. We have the ant army that's advanced so beyond we can't even understand it It's like cool and we have the random pockets of resistance that may come to our aid It's like cool. All right, we'll open with giant man. All right, and when he's full and apart We'll have the pockets of resistance. All right, and then the ants will just win And it's like, oh, why don't we just have the ants win like yeah, let's have the ants Yeah, let's just start off It's it's the same thing that it's that trope of why don't we just use our big weapon first and be done with it Instead of having that be used as our You know all of a sudden Oh, no, they use the big weapon now. We've got to rethink our strategy or we have a low point in the battle because the We need to we need to bring the ants in when the big bad villain says all you do is talk to ants It'll be perfect direct Yeah, but I talked to the coolest ants ever. What are you some kind of ant man? Scott's book reading kind of ant squad was the nicest moment of the whole movie and the only part I truly liked Paul Rudd really sells the character's sweetness Yeah, he's I mean super easy to like Paul Rudd. Um But it's just it just it's just part of a shitty movie unfortunately Have you ever seen his hot ones episode? No, it's very fun There's some good memes in that one. Oh, that's the one with the look at us. Here we are. That's the one, right? Not me. I think I think I actually never watched that episode fun. It's good. It's good. Paul Rudd's fun Hot ones is pretty funny in general. That's some good stuff and the final super chat of efap 226 hype for atomic heart Which yeah Part that will be happening. It literally a week from now. We'll be discussing atomic heart Wow, and uh friggin rags will have completed it by then, right guys Uh, yes, that is correct. I'll be starting it tomorrow and uh going through it well, um Which is the song too because then I had like four atomic heart streams sweet Crispy critters here we go again. That's the 227 actually Good reference. Hey fringy of these birds. Who has your favorite design storm eagle overdrive ostrich and blaze heatnicks They are megaman x bosses Just put them in the chat. We'll come back to it later Yeah, I post and I'll look them up Hey, you guys played return of the ober din. It's pretty cool. Love you guys. Mwah I'm not uh, I've not played it, but I've heard it's really cool That's so that's all I ever hear. I think it's from the guy made papers, please Okay Okay, well, so I've looked at all of them Uh Oh, I'm not I'm not sure actually it's kind of a tough one I like um Hmm You want to post pictures here in the the discord? I like if you guys want to take a look. Yeah exciting So that's uh, that's the first one there storm eagle It's it's coming there. Uh, so that's pretty bad I I don't think you can just say that dismissively Oh, that one's just it Oh, that's So that it's really awkward for rags because I find each of them charming That's awkward for a third one. I don't think it's very awkward for rags rags. It's not going to feel awkward as a result of that I don't feel awkward at all. No, I think uh, I think the third one easily looks the best I'm not so sure. I think that the ostrich fella. He's pretty funny looking. Oh, he's definitely, uh Funny looking. I don't know about funny I also think that the first one is the design that I I think the first one is the one I like the most actually The ostrich is funny looking in the sense that we're laughing at him. I would say I don't know about that. I think I think he's pretty confident He knows that I he knows that but he he runs through anyway Oh, he owns the joke. All right. That's fair. I mean get on his confidence I like this first one though. I don't know what it is. I think that design strikes me as the most cohesive one The phoenix I think it's too obvious. I think that's all I have for it. It's a little too safe You think that's safe Yeah, a little bit. I think it's just cohesive. It's far more cohesive than the rest of them No, I like that first one. I think he must feel pretty awkward about that. I don't really feel awkward at all I don't feel very awkward. It's it's uh, I I also like this sort of art style like 90s 90s, uh art for like video games was always really cool Well, someone's got to feel awkward Uh, I can do that if you if you want to yeah, that'll feel awkward. I'll take the bullet. I mean step up. Yeah I mean I already died today so the universe doesn't doesn't go to shit. So might as well take that one as well That's very kind of you. Yeah might as well So we had like Reasoning for the first one being the best was how cohesive it was and then the reason for the third one being the best was How cohesive it was? This is not reconciled. This is unacceptable. It's a bad end. I can't move on until this is settled. No, that's okay All right, we have to give it a chat then. Yeah You're gonna have to solve the problem for rags and ringy because they can't do it The off-dredge phoenix All right, who's gonna win? Ah, well, yeah, phoenix is probably oh Oh, it's neck and neck Interesting. Well, if it's neck and neck then the second one's gone. Uh-huh. It's neck and snack If it's about the next then yeah, it is gonna go to the second one. He's right And That's your eagle Yeah, like when you put the votes of the chat, that's a lot more of a mixed bag I like that Because they each have their own, you know strengths and drawbacks. You got to make phoenix better thought chat was like one being Wait, chat's not a monolith I'm not confused now. I think that's not that's that's not There's an imposter chat Yeah, the phoenix is still winning and remember whatever turns out the winner is the objectively correct answer That's how it works. That's how it works. Yeah, that's the that's the way of the world I think it's safe to say the ostrich is fucking losing. Look at him There's still about a good 20 percent of the vart. Yeah, I mean he's in on the meme, but still He's in on the meme so What a loser Easy Being in on the joke only gets you so far. The phoenix is the shadow of the hedgehog to the eagle. Oh Yeah, that's yeah, there's a bit of that going for it. Oh, I don't know. That's certainly a bit less edgy I don't know. He seems pretty glorious But is there a goof factor, you know and who has the most I guess it's the ostrich Yeah ostrich has the most goof. There's a second place and a third place for goof and and how significant is that? Who knows The first one doesn't seem goof to me. When should we call it? 500 votes is that is that we should the expression on his face The expression I just get the eagle across the finish line. He's sorry. He's trying to he's trying to manipulate the audience do something I'm not trying to manipulate anything. I'm just saying I'll just allow a lot I think I'll just let that stand and everyone can weigh that up as they wish I don't think I have to do anything across the finish line. Metal's feeling pretty awkward right now. Yeah Pretty awkward man, man. I'm so Fucking pathetic ostrich just dying on the vine. Look at him I will say I think that uh the first the eagle and the phoenix seem like the eagle seems like the protagonist and the phoenix seems like the villain But I like the villain better Hmm I mean the ostrich is pretty cool I like the ostrich. I like the mole really. I just think that the eagle is the best one Well, we hit 500 and so ends and the truth is the phoenix is the best. Sorry Fringy Yeah, well, I that's okay. I a good thing. I don't need your approval to like the No, no the eagle's growing on me. Yeah, he's kind of growing on me. He's okay Yeah, he's like a he's like a 38 percenter, you know Yeah, I mean he's kind of growing on me. Not quite a 41 percenter I'm warming up to the eagle, but I think the phoenix is It's like the phoenix the most. I just think he's got sort of the best design We did it. We solved the problem, right? Yeah, we did it. All right. Excellent. Excellent. Nice Save the universe Rags, do you find death in the last wish sexy? um Sure, why not definitely The thumbnail for the only plays of harry potter in the chamber of secrets is quite funny Okay, let's see what that is You want to post it in the chamber of secrets? Show the people Image Hold on Ant-Man on track for the worst second week drop-off for a movie making 100 million plus and last first weekend behind it would be Deathly Hallows part two and bvs Well, he broke the record, right? Yeah. Do you want to get to see the thumbnail real quick? I thought are we gonna post on the discord or I got it. Please do. Yeah. I'm He's desperate at this point Oh my goodness, it's switched up against his cheek Somebody on the thumbnail is a pretty funny for the harry potter one as well There's another one for the chamber of secrets that has uh, like he's got a scar across his eye Yes, like harry potter dodge. Oh my goodness. No his wand is all fucked up The faces Uh In megaman zx advent the villain is master albert and he plans to rule the world with uroboros This was two years before re5 lol. Good old capcom Is that true? I guess so it sounds pretty funny though I believe that the idea that they had a story that that's just stupid and dumb And then they just it wasn't even there as they had to like take it from some other thing Can't you be can't you do you be crazy on your own? You know The modoc in the comics has fought and lost to the red and yellow m&m's somehow still better than the one in the movie Yeah, I'd say so That is pretty darn funny Did you see the interview in which the writer of quantamania said the movie mirrored frodo's journey from lord of the rings also high rags Oh, no, you're You're memeing you're totally memeing. It's rude to say that, you know It's rude to get it. Why would you insult the lord of the rings like that? It's so rude. It's like vindiesel saying that he understands Oh, yeah, he understands the talking struggle of continuing a saga I want to see tolkin's live reaction to that you be like What? Why just get tolkin in the cinema and make him watch all the fast and furious movies That would be vindiesel is so delusional. It's hilarious It's like man, what do you think and tolkin's just like it's about family I'm so awful about it What's so terrible about it and everyone's like, oh my god Vindiesel said that yeah, go google it. It's real It shouldn't be but it is Do any of you like the band oasis? I like one song by them Uh, what what would I know? There's their most famous song is wonder wall, but they have a couple other songs They don't champagne supernova. I like that song. Yeah Uh And others i'm sure and others don't look don't look back in anger. Is that oasis? I have no idea. I don't look back to oasis. Yes, it is. I don't look back in anger Uh, I just don't know enough. I I know wonder wall. Um I hate wonder wall. I think I'm not too keen on it. I think it's way overrated One of the worst vocal performances in a popular song you've ever heard Little by little I don't know. We get some savage music takes here as well on efeb. We're just expanding. Yeah, the vocals and wonder wall are pretty not great I don't know maybe that's where a lot of the appeal comes from I just don't care about Oasis. I'm sorry. There's no Blur is better than oasis There you go. That was uh, that was like a competition back in the day. I like red feud red, yeah Red you had a color red out of it Uh, they said red. Oh, all right. Modoc morbidly obese diet only of cake Nice If we take that's what you'll look like um Oh, this is interesting. I despise the daughter in the whale and she gets a free pass. I am oh and she's nothing but vitriol non-stop um I get I Free pass is complicated. Uh, his mother is seemingly pretty abusive at least verbally Yeah, and you know her father did, you know leave him and I think the idea is that I don't know I think the I think the criticism is or I would assume the criticism is that in the end when Brendan Fraser says I think she was trying to do the right thing by telling that guy's parents But he did it's like I don't I don't know if you can assume that Oh, but yeah, but that's that's his character. He believes in her through and through and it all comes down to that essay even Yeah, I just I I think I think that he's wrong to assume that and I think a lot of people assume that That's what the movie is saying. I think the movie pretty much comes through and says He was on to something and that he cracks through to her at the end Yeah, but I don't think she told that guy's parents in the hope like knowing that that would somehow help Um, I'd be more inclined to believe she did it to hurt him. Yeah Yeah, so that's the thing so when he says that oh, she wasn't trying to hurt him She was trying to help him It's like is he wrong or is he right? He might well, that's the problem, isn't it? Like uh, it's my assumption of the thing she does because up to that point She pretty much only does things to hurt people in the movie But like is it possible she did it uh in the hopes of Like the idea so you remember she's kind of In a similar position and that she clearly wanted to get back to her father. She uh, the mum who said she always loved you Like she always wanted to be back with him And so the idea that he's separated from his parents and she she could have some level of insight quote-unquote into the idea of like Guarantee they take you back the second that they know you want to be there Uh, which isn't the case for my family Uh, it's that's possible. I just don't think that's the likeliest or the interpretation that makes the most sense There's some there's probably more to dig into there, but I can understand. I mean a lot of people I don't hate her character. I think I her character is the most interesting part of the movie for me Um, and I don't think she's all bad by any means, but I think the part where Brendan Fraser says and the movie seems to agree that oh, she wasn't actually trying to hurt him She was trying to help him. I just don't know if I buy that I'm not I'm not sure it goes far seeing the movies saying that's that's the truth I really just get the impression that he thinks is true That's fair. I think I think a lot of I think that's uh I think some people will get confused about that You know, but I think you're right that that's something he would believe whether it's true or not It's just sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between what our protagonist says Or what the good guy says in the movie versus what the movie is saying, you know, I mean, I understand If they're able to go into the quantum realm, does that mean they can get the infinity stones? They said they were atomized but not fully destroyed. Yeah, you have to pick them all up All the fucking pieces Gonna be a lot of pieces though. Oh god. I don't even want to think about it. Leave me alone Make everything worse. Maybe some fucking villain that collects all the pieces of an infinity stone in the fucking quantum realm They could make that a plot line. I would hate it so much Imagine that yeah I could imagine it being terrible, but I could imagine them doing it. Yeah Bringing as modoc, please say and then oh, they've got they've got Got a whole line here. I get do you is there even a modoc voice or is it gonna be what is the modoc voice? It's just that it's just a loser Voice I guess You know, fuck. All right. Let's try Were you gonna do it like a gullbert god? Scott I'm just because he's still got the same voice as the you know, when he says I'm gonna disintegrate you which is kind of like hmm You know scott my head isn't the only thing That grew Got Let's get another take of that. You can do it. I believe in you. You're almost there All right, so do you want like an actual serious delivery of this line? No, I think it's just yeah Part of it cut out as well. At least I'll buy it. I did it Why because I was laughing so the line is you know scott my head isn't the only thing that grew Pick it up scott pick Pick it up. There you go. You got it. You're happy. That's a good take Check the gate. Let's move on I can't even remember how he sounds Can I Well like from the actual movie itself like you kind of remember He's he's just a normal guy voice except when you go down. No, that's the thing Except when he yells, it's kind of a bit funny. Well, you know, it's like the the helmet creates like the you know Roboty voice but uh The I'm not the type for me, but we did it. It took 10 seconds, but we did it. It's done Now that last take was good again and again and again and again and again. Well, I'm glad you liked it capital I don't appreciate it. I worked real hard on that one. I had to get really in the mind of that character Yeah, you have to draw from a dark place It's enormous bulbous head with this brilliant bulging brain You need oh, wow. I didn't even intend to illiterate that. Good job me Okay My brilliant words also high rags and cap not metal Fine. Oh, well, oh Ouch. Oh, just, you know You know what I can I can take it. That's fine. I can take it. Yeah If they're attacking you that means they're not attacking someone who couldn't handle it. Yeah I Massives ever heard of a game called little nightmares. It's a horror side scrollish platformer. I recently played it and its sequel I've not played it. I know off it. No, that's that's not played in myself. I think I've heard of it But no no played it. It's nice and creepy It is also unique because the story is told through the environment. I highly recommend it also when efap 220 catch up They are all coming out weekly so it will be out at some point I Oh, so environments or stories tell them be very cool. It's the thing that video games have a unique advantage in utilizing I hate stories in video games How long you've been playing them Was it 30 years is that how long it's been uh, sometimes I can't even remember it's been so long They also want you to say that for me as modoc Okay Uh What's that last word there? Is that just kilograms? I don't know maybe Why Why do you want these lines? I don't know. It's you know, you can say you don't want it. It's up to you I just I guess I'm trying to figure out like what your motivation is the broad arc of the character. Yeah That's what without that. I'm not sure what yeah Like I feel like I tried my hardest with that first line, but that's second line. I don't know I think I think the thing that's missing is that that first line is kind of got room for interpretation that second line not so much You know what? Now like that. All right All right. Wow Hey, should we want to read the line go for it rags? You can do it if you want Well, they really wanted you Okay, well then that's not happening then Well, it ranks you could do as fringy doing modoc or something. Oh my god As fringy, uh, let's see. I gotta get in my fringy mode. My australian. No, you need to do the modoc voice That's I don't that's like I literally I literally do not remember the modoc voice. It's normal to play in australian Doing the modoc it kind of be vodok. Yeah. He has to do fringy as modoc. That's what he has to do All right. Well, give it you give it a try, dude Hmm. We got to go we got to go deeper because you got a deeper voice than me mine is mine is Spritely and alive and yours is a bit more dead Yours is more more. Uh, well, it's certainly not Uh, it is excited is mine because he won't even he won't even do the line um Let's see fringy He doesn't have that typical australian voice, you know, he sort of stands out. I don't think you know so, um So it's the second line here now experience the power da da da da. Yeah, that's the one All right. This is gonna this is gonna sound exactly like fringy Okay, even on the screen so you can see with a butt of the little rings ass, you know Just so that you know, this isn't some trick of editing or anything like that Uh now experience the power of my massive organ capable of coming kilograms So now now I feel compelled to almost give you a different read of the line to just show like how off yours was Yeah, you can't lose that It's more so like, uh I don't know that regular Well, it's regular psychology in the sense that I'm just figure it out like It's almost Of my massive organ capable of coming kilograms My notes in terms of trying to actually capture the tone of modoc because you need to go more high pitched and squealy He's uh, I'm not doing my dog. He's doing you as modoc. How's you? You as modoc. Yeah, but and yet he was still trying to that's like layers. Yeah, I know it's like layers It's like on over some layers Let's just say I know who the oscars should be going to this year So Tell him how he needs to do it fringy Like I said, I think the main thing with modoc and I guess the character that he played in the other movie Was that he's got like a very sort of high pitched because you know like that Yeah, that's right. The other guy cross. Yeah, the other guy. Yeah, he's got a very sort of high pitched squeal She voice not like uh, I'm Rags trying to impersonate fringy. I'm sound I sound like bosh That's weird. Yeah Friggy doing rags doing freaky doing modoc Rags doing fringy doing modoc Doing darin. Yeah, that's right. Darin who was modoc in another life, but now he's Now he's just modoc No more Let's hear it fringy come on What of that line like if I did my own interpretation? Yes, that line Yeah, it'd be like Is he do we think he's mad or do we think he's happy? What if it's your interpretation? I'm not doing both. I go pick one You could do both but not I could but I'm trying to figure out like Show us the range. Yeah, the line was the line was as rags said it and it's like, well, hmm How about you start happy and end angry? Hmm Yeah, you give that a try now experience the power of my massive organ capable of coming kilograms I like the kilograms Yeah, that's right. Well now you've got to pick them everything that you could ever want for you whatever name that you make You can put that into your ai generator machine and then just turn out modoc scripts forever Say the well played rags well played That was some 40 chess on rags as part. Thank you. I don't like how much you're taking away my own capacity to make my own choices You got you to save the line didn't you? I was just appreciating some of their choices Yeah, this opened with you not wanting to do the thing. So yeah, I didn't want to do it But then you did your line and I wasn't satisfied Yeah, maybe that was 40 chess everything about that. I don't think that was 40 chess I think rags was like, this is my moment This is my moment It was his moment. He really he uh, you know, he pulled off a lot there. I'm impressed I want rags do a more impression What make mollus really difficult? Yeah, both you and fring all of you are there's nothing Like you're all you have unique voices, but there's nothing in the voices Yeah, I think mine's the same way. There's not like that thing you could latch on to I think you can always Well, so what I would say for you rags is I think the thing to latch on to is your inflections Yes, I was about to say That I think you're a bit off and down which I'm not I'm not saying that it's it's dynamic is what I would say It's very dynamic sort of tone But the voice is not dead I would say well, I guess it's that the I get what you mean in terms of because I think you're right I don't think my accent is very is is very Typical quintessential Australian accent. It's not no. I think that If people were to guess where you were from, I don't think really many people would guess australia I don't know why anybody would guess britain though. I don't I don't get that one I still don't understand why someone would think that rather than australia. I'm obviously australian Um, you know that you're obviously australian But I think a lot of people they just wouldn't they just wouldn't because in their mind remember in their mind australian means a very particular kind of accent That you just don't seem to fall under the the no I get what you mean because I guess the thing is is that in america You've got a few more varieties of accents that seem distinct whereas in australia. It's it. They're a lot more They're a lot more blood. There are different types of accents here But they're not like the same as compared to you know, I guess your quintessential standard american accent compared to I guess like certain areas of the south and then there's even variations in the south or like your boston accent Or uh the midwest alley valley sort of thing. Yeah midwest it's uh It's it's in australia. It's a bit more blurry. Basically the only difference is how much uh How how much do you like slow or how much do you? Sort of uh expand those vowels. I think is like basically what distinguishes accents here How prominent are the vowels? How many words do you shorten because that's a common australian thing is just shortening every word It's not university. It's uni. It's not football. It's footy You say rou instead of kangaroo Not typically no, but people sometimes say walle instead of wallaby No, in fact a lot of animals don't get their name rags destroyed. It's all culture right now You say you say you say barbie instead of barbeque as we all know Man, I feel like I don't often see people say barbie instead of barbeque actually Oh, well, they definitely it would be like chuck a snag on the barbie, right? And I'd be like, yeah Ooh, what's a snag? Oh, I didn't even know that I didn't know that that was a uh, I didn't know it was a thing a snag Yeah, we don't we don't put prawns on them. We don't call them shrimp Um, it's usually going to be yeah sausage or a snag in america, we don't shorten as many words, but we often uh, We we change the vowel sounds to make them easier to say with less effort like the minimal amount of effort possible Like for instance, i'm from the state of maryland not maryland You know, everything is just like What's maryland or is actually meant to be said maryland? I thought everybody said maryland everyone says yeah Yeah, it's maryland, but I mean if you say maryland people will think of Yeah, like mary men or that's just The typical way Americans sort of make all tall and like Open vowels short vowels and stuff like that just because it requires less effort to say Because it's like the name maryland no one says maryland Yeah, you know something i'm thinking about is in terms of the expanding the vowels I think the common thing that we have in australia is just adding in letters that aren't part of the words Which obviously that's been observed with the pronunciation of no But some people say no like they kind of do like an r on it as well for some reason Mahler has some intrusive rs sometimes. I've heard it. What? You got some intrusive rs sometimes. I got all kinds of things going on my accent doesn't exist You know what it is Pulling a knife a knife You know, it's like you're adding a couple of vowels there that don't Well, that's how yeah, because someone's saying oh, australian's like crocodile dundee because it's like that's a knife like that kind of shit I'm not even very good at doing like a more exaggerated australian accent honestly It's one of my weakness knife Yeah, I try again knife No, you got a knife. That's why I said knife knife. You got it. You got to emphasize it more Barbie Cross on the road Luke get him with maca With my Subaru I I think your flag rise not many people drive subarus in australia Yeah, because they'd have to say it like that every time. Yeah too embarrassing Yeah, no not many people drive subarus. It's mainly like toyotas Uh, there's still plenty of holdings around I guess I think it's like toy just like so quickly. It's like toy just It's like it's like No, it'd be like Toyota. That's yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah Yeah Barbie You drive on the left side of the road or the right side of the road Damn Left or right You mean everyone doesn't drive a ute. Uh, it's lots of lots of four wheel drives now No, they live in the city. It's really stupid. They use a lot of petrol. They take up a lot of space Toyota Parallel parking Side of the road. You sound a bit more like a new zealander there Me green cube Got to go to bendigo to get me green cube I like how I could do like Michael Q sacks impersonation of rick. Australian accent better than just standard one Got to go to bendigo morty. Oh rick bendigo. Isn't that like 10 hours away? Hey morty Check it out. I did some science to me portal gun now. It's also a real gun No, I do love you, but sometimes it feels like you're an action figure and I can just press a button Yeah Yeah, I I do I got yeah Why are you pulling at my head rick morty? Are we gonna get are we gonna get a rick and morty catchphrase or a simpsons catchphrase? You really get on my nerves morty Pickle me fringy Oh, that'd be cute. We need that the next round of plushies need to have little little boxes a voice box Yeah, but is that would you be able to put it do to be great if you squeeze the freak when he's just no no A variety of different configurations of they need to do it. Why haven't they that sounds like an obvious thing That's you know what I I know business better than them now You know what maybe they're working on it. I don't know hopefully Anyway, anyway, I hope you got your money's worth that buddy for those like 20 minutes of memes again rags 5d chess I don't like it when you diminish the big brain on rags choices here 70 chests at this point A shilling for the quantum meter. Thank you Movie recommendation harry potter and the deadly weapon Harry Potter and the deadly weapon Which very potter learns gun safety. Yeah, it's just like the audience are growing up with him I think there's one called harry potter and taxes and it's like it's very educational. It's not very entertaining I can't even imagine how Just like taxes is done in the wizarding world with all the spells and shit I feel like there's just a way to spell your way out of anything There's a spell for making income just disappear or It just just seems like a crazy upside-down world where everything happens all the time Is there a spell in the harry potter world that allows you to make money? Because if sorry imagine trying to do fiscal policy in that world I'm sure Many of the spells allow that like oh you mean like conjure money like to create it Yeah, like actually conjure money and it's not even counterfeit because it's magic So it's like the real deal like it'd be like if someone had an actual machine printed like legitimate cash Like us dollars like can you imagine if like fiscal policy in a world like that? Where just any random food could just insert like a gazillion dollars into the economy They got the uh the three curses they go over about how they you know, you can't torture someone You can't control someone and you can't kill someone also can't do Generatio Dolorito and it's just like a dollar in the air and she's like destroys it straight away And she's like I wish to demonstrate it just to see the awesome power But this is also forbidden Don't generate money for yourself. Okay. We're trusting you guys She's gonna go out of control She's no like the other teachers are like you really think it was wise to not only teach them about it But to show them how to do it. She's like, I trust them. Yeah, it's like exactly I just feel like they might they might just you know, they might just use it. I'm just like nah be fine Um Lord longbong of mueslington abbey. Is there any good chance of a kong fab? Peter jacks is long kong when there's less going on to be a movie fab for the ages ps Hello rags these screeches for the good boy Oh dear, he's not here quick metal say thank you or something Thanks. There you go Same sort of thing I feel like Kong long could fab happen at some point point Hong Kong long long fun. That's what I'd say I mean that strikes my memory and I think I've talked with four is that I remember seeing the cinema and being like, holy fuck this this movie's intense and crazy when they get to skull island And they all nearly die straight away. You remember that? Like yeah to be sacrificed don't don't some of them actually get killed by like the more tribally people And like I think it's they're about to kill like one of the main characters and then they get stopped by kong going I have to see it again The microverse makes much more sense in the comics when they have perfectly good source material and they do nothing But look at the pictures Uh gary told me or at least he's mentioned on streams that I've been on uh, the they don't have the rights to the microverse That's the theory. That's why they call everything the quantum realm The microverse is like a thing in the comics I guess Or I do not know cannot say do not know The mc writers really really need to learn what infinity means. They treated exactly the same way. Most people treat literally I don't think they care They just they struggle to care. They're just looking at them dollars, you know But one day those dollars will dry up Suddenly they'll be like wait writing matters. No Horrifying Dad you're a loser for staying with me instead of saving the world also cassie. No dad. Don't leave me again I guess she wants him to be alive too. She's so demanding ridiculous Pretty selfish not gonna lie. Do you see it? Keep up the amazing content gents I'm excited about the new flash movie because michael keaton and the sexiest batmobile ever is in it. Cheers Yeah, I mean Keep your hopes at a strong fall. I'd say And you should be all right. You'll probably get some stuff you like abe How much does it matter to you that the director is the guy who directed it and also the second one? You know Like them like well, I like the first one Right. I would that's what I was wondering Well, just that's that's one of them like who knows what we're in for Yeah, thank you retcon seen in Thor where he explains the realms and midgard But then goes on to describe the void and the subatomica and the giant person who's underneath that It's just so much stuff in every direction in the MCU at this point Impossible how fucking fat the universe is or dense I should say Stuff happening everywhere Your amateur your avatar is a cute. No homo doc Well, thank you. Yeah, that's me. I need to be a little homo. I need a little bit of the homo dog in it Who is y'all's favorite villain of all time? Oh Damn, that's tough That's a really tough question. I feel like I need to narrow it down I can't answer that right now. I need to think about that a lot I think death would be a pretty strong answer actually because it kind of covers many interpretations, right? Don't almost feel it's unfair a little bit Hannibal Lecter in chat. It's a good suggestion. Oh, yeah Good one. Yeah beta be popping up galactus Vader if you exclude the prequels. Yeah What if what if what if someone told you that enhances beta? Uh, I'd say that they're wrong say they need to go home. Wouldn't you go home? We're drunk Don't drive home Don't drunk Modoc was a good suggestion Modoc almost wants to be all you can be Isney. Yeah, I'm a pretty good villain. Jack Horner Mutl, hey Joel He is responsible for all of the death He's responsible for this dream But I'm already home and drunk Well, then you've won Well, then you are lost Um, well, you know what a lot of Hans Gruber. I'm seeing I feel like there's so many that aren't going to be mentioned just because this is a tough thing to just ask It's just such a broad question. Yeah, but yeah There's a lot of great villains I'm surprised. I haven't seen many jokers showing up though. They will now. Oh, you said that Athlean Kennedy, okay Teaser Frodo Uh, oh look Joker grandpa Joe from willy wonka sale co has been mentioned. They'll go is cool Junker Uh angel when he's evil don't know what you mean don't know what you're saying jealous What are you talking about? You mustn't be mentioning anything from anything. I don't know what you mean Oh No, you don't need to be sorry. I just have no idea what you're talking about. No, apologize. Yeah I'm sorry Bambi's mom would be like, oh I heard that once on efeb two years ago. No, I know what it means Yeah, she'll be like god damn it I wish cap didn't spoil it for me two years ago Yeah, that's why I killed him in the alley back in the streets. I mean what? In the streets Well, at this point you got loads of great suggestions from chat that I think we could never even compare to you Wasn't a villain Great man He was a champion of humanity And on that note, we'll probably uh wrap there And catch the rest of these on a catch up Release them to the world At some point But before we go Uh capital opinions. Oh, oh opinions. Sorry. I can't Shouldn't want to mess up the name because you know, it's uh, you're one of our most prestigious guests I would not want you to feel You know, it's awkward Yeah, I bet you feel Fucking awkward now, especially with this intro You better you better have something amazing to sell to people about what you're up here because I just I do I don't have something to share. All right. What do you share and share it? So yesterday had a stream on the channel with some of the people in the chat right now in chat talking Sorry, not in the chat in the call. I'm tired. Okay. They were probably there too some of them Yeah, some of them were there we we talked about Elvis tar And the banshees of Inna Sheeran in the first of what be several streams talking about all 10 of the best Picture nominations from this year. Yeah, it is on the channel. You can go watch it Fringy Moller rags and John Graham also known as John C J We're all there and we talked about the movies. There were some very interesting conversations You should go watch that right now. Go do it now. Go go run That's what that's what I have for you and also tune in on Wednesday when metal and maybe another guest who has yet to confirm with me whether they'll be there And we'll be talking. No, you'll definitely be there Hey, I said I said that's that's me. Oh, okay. I thought you were never never mind We'll be talking about top gun maverick and all quiet on the western front. So Go check it out. It's gonna be fun. See you there The boring she's of ever sleeping. Oh Oh Yeah, I don't know. Go home. You're also drunk Drunk's okay. You're allowed they made it legal like last year or whatever So anyway, uh metal, what are you up to you little fleam? Hey, I'm a big fleam. Thank you very much I've been very hard on my fleamness So, uh, yeah, I don't appreciate that I'm uh, I've been I've been playing through atomic heart. I finished it yesterday Oh my goodness and an eight and a half hour marathon stream that I didn't expect to do But I needed to finish it because I'm doing a fortune at tomorrow. Oh, wow With uh, oh, I think eight and a half hours to beat No, that was the fourth the fourth dream. Oh, okay But because I had uh mom commander over today and today the e-fabs. I didn't really have time to play more today So I went nutty to to Finish it. So we got to have a little talk see about that tomorrow It's gonna be interesting because I actually haven't talked to mark about the game at all yet Just do I have sort of a gauge? How long did it take you to beat it? Uh, I did all the sites of as well was about 20 hours. Okay about that space then Yeah, if you go straight for the story, I think you can Probably knock it down in like 12 fish 10 12 fish Okay, I guess depending on the difficulty Yeah, uh But yeah, just just for just coming up and I'm working on other stuff That you'll see at some point we Well, um rags fringy anything you guys wanted to mention before we settle down for the night With some hot chocolate and cheese peace um normally I don't like things to get in the way of my hot chocolate and cheese As I sit in front of the fire put my legs up Uh and enjoy my Hot chocolate and cheese as I you sort of as you stir in the cheese to get it just you know How you like it it's like coffee. Some people like a lot. Some people don't like a lot um Some people like it dangerously cheesy um But I think I've decided what I'm gonna do next in terms of main channel stuff And I think a lot of the people particularly Um and here will uh like it So, um, that's all I'll say for now though But I think I've settled on what I'm gonna have my next project be Gonna talk about devs. I knew it think it's gonna be on cheese guys. I don't want to talk about devs Bring it about your cheese I'm just in the dungeon. I'm just walking So like you have like kangaroo cheese or wallaby cheese No, because over here we have like goat cheese and of course, you know typical, you know count. Yeah, we got those two, but yeah That's it. Nothing. Nothing exotic color Is america's the people have like deer cheese or something? I don't think so Or like grizzly bad cheese I don't think well grizzly bears would be tough because I don't know how you could you know Have that happen So I'm not sure. I don't think it's really fair. There's no reason you can't farm grizzly bears Human beings will find a way rags. We will find a way Yeah um Yeah, so you got the last of us a new episode sunday comes out I mean episode of us covering it probably be the following wedna's day Rather than the one coming right after it and then uh, I think I'm gonna try and put out the the catch-ups One by one of friday's or thursday's i'm not actually sure I'll figure it out And stuff and then uh, yeah next week. We're going to cover atomic heart And uh, we got resin evil 4 remake is coming He's on his way, but in the meantime we'll have mando starting up and um, well some other bits and bobs like You know, you've been hearing about it. You know the flash movie is on its way The the the um the guardians movie will be on its way There's there's other video games that are going to potentially be covered. Who knows? It's a wild time to be interested in media. They've released films and games now and even tv shows on top of that It's insane. Whoa hunts. Yeah, honestly. I just don't know how they're doing it So it's so intense in any case. Thank you all For hanging out with us for the kind messages and donations And we shall see you for the next episode of whatever it may be in the efap universe Until then Yeah, goodbye Later Oh, that's welsh