 With the powers combined of 3,000 episodes of podcasting Veronica Belmont and Tom Merritt bring you news bots Shocking your brain We're gonna talk about shocking your brain Yeah Damn right we are Maybe I should shock your brain so you can focus on that story No, thank you. It's a military thing. It's low level. It's low levels tingling. Oh, okay. Yeah This little transcranial electric stimulation So you'll put implants in your body, but you don't want to be shocked No, and I don't even want I don't even want the I know of the guy who made that like shocking wearable Mm-hmm Yeah, that doesn't really have a whole lot of application though. Does it the shocking wearable? What's it supposed to like keep you from doing bad things bad things. It's like a shock collar for yourself. Totally. Yeah No, this electrical stimulation supposedly has the effect of making your brain more neuroplastic so you can You can train for longer Super soldiers, it's all about super soldiers Well folks, we're gonna go ahead and start episode 3000 ready Okay Hey, it's national podcast month now. That's not true. There's no such thing But if there was a national podcast month once you want to support your favorite podcast go to daily tech news show comm slash support to help us out This is the daily tech news for Monday April 3rd 2017 episode 3000 I'm Tom Merritt joining me Veronica Belmont who's been with me since those earliest of episodes How's it going Veronica? Great? I he really had me go in there. I was like national podcast month Why didn't I hear about this big Jim? It's like meh, but it could be we looked it up There there was a national weather podcast month That was the only one we could actually find But yes, if you are looking at our show numbers and you're like wow 3000 episodes of daily tech news show. I didn't seem like there've been that many because they're haven't our episode numbers were made up Darien kitchens suggestion when we launched daily tech news show. He's like, you know episode numbers are kind of bunk anyway They don't really mean much why not take the number of buzz out loud episodes that happened while you were there So then the episode number from the last buzz out loud at CNET that I was on Plus the episodes of tech news today that had happened when I was on this on the team Add those together add one make that your first daily tech news show episode number. So that's what we did So this is not the 3000th episode of daily tech news show Nor is it the 3000th daily tech news show I've done even if you count buzz out a TNT because that those episode numbers include episodes that I wasn't on right So how many episodes of daily tech news show? Have you done? I don't know Somebody no they said it on Friday, and I don't remember what it was. It's a few hundred, you know Yeah, definitely definitely a few hundred I figure when we get to a year anniversary like the fifth year then that's the kind of thing that that will celebrate Instead of the particular episode numbers, but Veronica was there in the earliest of buzz out loud days So it's appropriate. Thank you for being here to celebrate episode 3000 always I'll be there for the next 3000 and probably as well. Good. Let's start with a view tech things you should know HTC's vive port VR game subscription service launches Wednesday Delivering five games a month for seven dollars a month, then you can swap out long You can only have five at a time. It's like a library. I guess that's pretty cool According to stat counters internet usage numbers Android is now the world's most used operating system with 37 point 93 market share just ahead of Windows at thirty seven point nine one and this is just web This doesn't include apps. I bet Android gets more usage. You start counting apps in there. Yeah, totally Windows central notes that Netflix's option for offline viewing of select content is now available in the Windows 10 Netflix app that doesn't include the Xbox or Windows 10 mobile by the way That's just the one for your desktop and laptop and sometimes. Okay. Okay Now here are some more top stories Imagination technologies disclose that Apple is going to stop Licensing graphic processing technology for new products within 15 to 24 months So they keep live licensing it for the old iPads and I and iPhones But somewhere in the next 15 to 24 months Apple will put out an iPad or an iPhone that has Apple's own designs for GPU inside Licenses from Apple have made up more than half of Imaginations revenue mounting to about 60.7 million pounds. Yeah in the last fiscal year So of course their stock took a big hit because that's a big amount that Emphasizes the need for diversification right there And imagination says quote it would be extremely challenging to design a brand-new GPU architecture from basics without infringing our patents That's really interesting So I think imagination was fine with this because they thought well, they'll always have to license patents from us Even if they design their own GPU, they're gonna have to license patents. Rich D'Rofolino pointed out There was a business insider story back in October describing Apple hiring employees from imagination. They hired away Imagination's 20-year chief operating officer John Metcalf. His LinkedIn says he's now a senior director at Apple He started there last July and imagination in that business insider story said, you know, that's fine You know, well, would people work with our great people and sometimes they want to hire them But as long as we keep doing business, it's great. So this would be them being hey remember that as long as we keep doing business Part. Yeah, you're that that's not the cool Apple. That's gonna be tricky I wonder if this is gonna be another Oculus kind of story that develops over time where maybe there could be some issue down the road Yeah Well, there's NDAs involved for sure that imagination employees, you know had to sign saying and and that Apple had to sign saying We'll let you understand how our technology works as long as you don't steal it And it's not like Apple can't afford the licensing fees like they could probably I mean, I'm not Apple legal I'm sure they've thought all of this through already, of course from an outsider's perspective It's like well, you could have just kept licensing it I'm not sure what that amounts to probably a good amount of money But at the same time it would save you from potentially, you know going through some legal trouble down the road My guess because why does imagination go public with this? Because negotiations are going well My guess is that Apple and imagination are still talking about their relationship Because Apple probably said well, we just wanted to design the GPU in-house and imagination said well Good luck with that without our patents. And so now there's a little brinksmanship Where imagination was trying to hold on to the business and Apple was trying to pull it back And why would they not try to hold on I mean 60.7 million pounds totally. Yeah, I get it They have a they have an interest I would not be surprised if all of this plays out with Apple and imagination Signing some sort of agreement at some point, but yeah clear clearly they have some work to do as they say Facebook Mozilla Jimmy Wales the Craig Newmark philanthropic fund and 15 other nonprofits and individuals from around the world have launched the news integrity initiative a $14 million fund to advance news literacy The initiative will focus on applied research projects and organized meetings with industry people The city in the University of New York Graduate School of Journalism will administer the program So that's really an interesting group of people getting together to try to to figure out how to fix news Yeah, Jeff Jarvis whom a lot of people know from twit But he's also the director of the Tonite Center for entrepreneurial journalism is overseeing the grant money here And he's saying look, I think we can teach each other a lot Social networks can can teach how people are talking about these issues these days and journalists can can teach platforms About the responsibilities and and what you know what good practices of journalism are and it's a really interesting consortium like the Hamburg Media School in Germany the Society of Publishers in Asia from Hong Kong the Walkley Foundation in Australia like This is it. This is a truly global there. There's a foundation the Gabriel Garcia Marquez foundation for new journalism And I barrow American journalism from Columbia is part of this So this this could this could actually this almost feels like something that could actually make a difference because it's The two sides of an issue talking to each other about how they do business Roger's gonna be mad at me, but I switched my microphone. So I'm going to sound different for the rest of the episode That's okay. Was that wrong microphone? Was that a journalistic choice? It was a quality a quality journalistic choice. Well, what do you think of this? What do you think of this? There's so many initiatives so many attempts to like Improve journalism. What do you think of this one? Why especially with with Facebook being involved and Wikipedia via J.B. Wales Craig Newmark is just the kind of guy that would be interested in this from his own perspective I know it's his foundation and not necessarily him personally But I'm sure he's going to be involved as well but these are all people with very interesting perspectives on news and communication and I think putting great minds together can Can only work for good Security consultant Rafael Shield demonstrated a proof of concept exploit that would allow someone to take control of a smart television Using only a low-cost transmitter to send a malicious TV broadcast over the air Hey, and if you add access to a big transmitter, you could control a lot of television at once The attack worked against two fully updated Samsung TVs by exploding known security flaws In the web browsers that run in the background the attack gave full control of the TVs She'll said that he sees no reason why this would work against other smart TV platforms. It's not just Samsung a lot of them Have vulnerabilities in their browsers So this is another one of those signposts along the way of hey you guys if you're going to have internet connected devices televisions or otherwise You have to keep them up to date. You have to patch known vulnerabilities So is this a a signal through OTA or is it how how is it actually Connecting it's a city. Yeah, it is a broadcast signal that the TV receives And it has to be using This I can't remember now off the top of my head what it's called, but it's a smart carrier wave Basically, it sends some information Digital video broadcasting terrestrial So it's a hybrid broadcast broadband tv standard that allows some information to be sent And so it's you know not dissimilar from a standard injection attack where As it's sending that information that the tv thinks is just going to be You know trusted text that it can use to describe the program Let's say or maybe some urls that they can pass along to the smart tv You can put some malicious code in there and then that malicious code It is injected into the browser by the smart tv and then it takes advantage of the vulnerability and boom You've rooted the tv and can do whatever you want with it and maybe start looking at other things on the network Am I am I smart if I have cut the cord am I safe? If you are not connected to a dvbt based station On your smart tv then you you are pretty safe, but You know, I mean There's not a lot of workarounds for this at this point. So, uh, I would like to hear something from samsung and others fairly soon about this Poor samsung. Yeah, this is not it in the wild exploit. So that's good for now I know rafael couldn't you have picked lg for this one except. Yeah No, the new york times has a feature article describing how uber use psychological tricks on their drivers as described in interviews with drivers current and former uber officials and social scientists Drivers will be shown how close they are to an earnings goal when they start to log off A new ride will be offered before one in progress and drivers earn badges for hitting certain marks in service One experiment found showing drivers how much money they were losing by driving in an off peak time Was more effective than telling them how much more money they would make by switching times The uber decided against using that particular method Now this new york times story is really trying to push the idea of this is manipulative And uber is quoted in the article saying we're not trying to manipulate We're just trying to make it easier for drivers to know where the money is Uh, and and so that's where the debate is cast, right? Which of these things are just to me. It's porque no los toros Why not both? Well, it's totally true. It's like it can be both and Yeah, I I mean It is both I think uber is probably not going to do something that is purely manipulative if for no other reason that they don't need the press at this point But they want to do things that are maybe a little manipulative but also have a defensible benefit to the driver so for instance This idea of giving a driver an offer to take another ride before they're done with the ride they have Is described in this article as as being like binging from netflix, right? Also, but also it's efficiency It's supposed to be efficiency You know instead of like finishing a ride and sitting around and waiting for the next one to pick up I've seen drivers do this a million times. It makes sense but You know, this is a lot of like Like game process. They're actually taking like game mechanics and building it into the app for the drivers And they're that's how you keep them hooked. That's how you keep them in the system On the one hand uber is it perfectly justified in saying look, we don't stop you from logging out All we're doing is saying hey, you're only ten dollars away from 300 dollars. That doesn't stop you from logging out You still can log right out. You have full control. I get that. That's totally true But is there a oh, yes Is there a bridge too far where they're where they're starting to Be an abusive spouse to you and that's like just just one more hit just one more hit Yeah, just like just a little bit more. I totally it feels like being in a casino almost Right in some regards, but at the same time, you know, it is it is a money making system The the drivers know how it works or they should at least I think they have some really good features in there where they're like, okay I'm getting ready to sign up for the night You could take one more drive and then this might be lift only actually I'm not sure if uber does the same technique, but you can accept a drive That's going in the way towards your home So you don't accidentally if you live in berkeley, you're not taking a passenger out to marin for example Yeah, there's a there's a feature where you can say I need to be at this location by this time and they'll try to get your rides closer to that Which is efficient You can make some a little more money before you're you clock off out of your shift And it makes a lot of sense So there there are some good features that are built in like this That that work for the driver as well and ultimately the drivers are trying to make as much money as possible So, you know having some efficiency built into the system makes a lot of sense I mean, I think your gambling analogy is perfectly accurate There are some people who are going to be easily able to resist these sort of psychological markers and say no, you know what? I'm done for the night. I'm done for the night. It doesn't matter But there may be personality types that have a hard time and in fact uber Had to put in a pause button Because some drivers were complaining that they were needing to go to the bathroom But they felt like they had to keep taking rides Well, I don't I don't know what these badges do for them either if these badges are just fine Okay, but if they somehow like change the amount of money or the no as far as I know, they're just They're just achievements. That's it. But yeah Sometimes that's enough though. You know how people get I know how I used to get I know how it goes Military.com has a report about the us navy's use of transcranial electric stimulation to help soldiers train better A small group of volunteers from cl team six and a few others Have been trying out the $749 halo neuroscience headset looks like a pair of headphones and in fact acts like a pair of headphones, but it's also Uh containing some silicon spikes called neuro primers that emit electrical impulses That supposedly stimulate the motor cortex and make it more receptive more neuro plastic So here's all you got to do Veronica Just spray your head with a little saline solution to ensure good contact then wear it during your exercise warm up and that tingling The tingling sensation means it's working wait. So the the example video they're showing are some of the san francisco giants Trying on this headset and i'm like maybe guys. Maybe don't use this Hey, they got into the playoffs. Okay Halo claims it has helped the giants. It's also they say it's helped olympic athletes Uh, there's not a lot of science one way or another on this at this point Although rear admiral tim schimanski told military.com that in experiments that they've done He says the headsets have helped preserved concentration. So That where might normally fall off after 20 minutes. They can keep it going for he says 20 hours, which seems almost unbelievable I'd be willing to try it though. That'd be fun to test out. So you're okay with this Yeah, it sounds like you you've really set it up in a very aggressive sounding way in the big Shocking your brain. Yes. This is this is literally shocking your brain, but it's low level Okay, and it's from the outside Yeah, they're not there's no brain surgery involved I would like to see some peer reviewed studies on the effectiveness of this Uh, it could very easily be a placebo effect, right? And what is the what is the thing we were talking about last week the neuro neuro mesh? Yeah, the neural mesh, right? It's not quite neural mesh level. No, this is this is a pair headphones, right? Yeah, this is not that does not require your skull to be cracked open But it's interesting and it's only seven hundred forty nine dollars. So you could try this out yourself apparently If you you know if you haven't if you have seven hundred forty nine spare dollars playing around I don't can we have a tech review? Yes, let us know if any of you do have a spare seven hundred forty nine dollars You can you could let us know how it works to get all the tech headlines each day in less than five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Now as many of you know, uh, veronica has bot zine and issue number 71 came out just yesterday, right today Oh today Monday mornings And one of the stories in there was from marketing land tim peterson wrote an article called inside chatbots year of growing pains We're at an inflection point And the main premise if i've got this right v is that Not enough has been done to promote chatbots since they they hit the scene again Last year so usage is not growing like people hoped it would and therefore developers aren't getting enough feedback Or enough usage data to be able to significantly improve them Yeah, this is interesting and something that a ton of people have been talking about um back in 2016 Phil liven who was the founder of ever knownton is now a venture capitalist at uh at um A general catalyst. He's one of our investors actually a robot He said that chatbots are kind of going through this fart app phase If you remember back when the uh, the ios app store kind of launched a lot of the apps out there were not very good They were kind of just proof of concepts Oh developers were playing around testing them out seeing what was possible on the flashlight There was like a hundred thousand flashlight apps A hundred thousand fart apps you press the button mega fart sound And so the beginning of 2016 late 2015 were very much that fart bot stage Uh, you know people were building things on different platforms testing out the technology seeing what was possible And so there was a huge influx of news and information about bots and all of the big platforms were we're getting into them You know everyone from facebook and kick and and you know, eventually they came out on on messages for for ios So pretty much every chat platform at this point has some form of bots built into it But at the same time we've been noticing that you know Typically people will test out a bunch or or try one for a little bit or or pick up a chat with one on facebook messenger And then not really continue with that level of engagement that you would hope to see And that's totally understandable And so people are now trying to figure out like what exactly are the use cases for bots? When do they make sense? Should a bot only really make sense if it's doing something that an app or a website cannot do Should it be somehow working to facilitate conversation through an app or a website? So yeah, a lot of people are trying to figure that out. Um, but at the same time, you know, facebook is kind of While they are planned to announce bots working in group chats at f8 coming up soon they're also kind of scaling back on on Surfacing bots through messenger Because they haven't been seeing the the engagement numbers. I think they were expecting But that was also a major problem with facebook messenger from the start was that people didn't really know how to find bots Actually getting bots to float to the surface and and having some kind of consistent directory Wasn't something that really existed. So we're seeing tons of third party directories That are typically cross platform and just sharing bots that are are bubbling to the surface and becoming popular through word of mouth It's a bit of a chicken and an egg problem, right? Based on this article, it sounds like First of all 78 of people in the u.s. Have not even heard of chat bots So that could be a blessing or a curse, right? You still have a chance to make a first impression with 78 percent of the u.s Right, right, but when when these first rolled out I and probably most users thought oh, I'll be able to just have a conversation like I do Or at least try to with siri or amazon voice services or whatever and developers were thinking of them as scripts Like and so he uses the weather bot as an example in his article where it's like the weather bot They just expected people to say I am in los angeles. What is the weather and people are coming in and like hey It's cold out there. Why? You know and there's there's like a whole different way people approach it and so now Some folks are doing things like making it more menu driven by suggesting responses and even facebook has A menu system where you can't do anything but reply with suggested responses And do you how do you feel about that because that feels like it's taking it backward and making them less Capable but at the same time it's going to have better satisfaction because you won't have the constant like I don't understand I don't understand This is what I talk. I talk about this all the time and it's a hundred percent true I think developers really scaled back, especially with using things like nlp and ml Natural language processing when when talking to consumers Because I mean there are just so many ways that someone wants to talk to a bot and limiting the scope Of what the bot understands and making that extremely clear to the user is like job number one For a bot creator you really have to tell the user how they can communicate with the bot What kind of commands work whether it be through keyword commands or whether it be through buttons or menus or cards Or whatever system of interface that you're using for that bot And that's just good design. I mean that's that's like product design number one lesson number one is The user has to understand how to use your product or you're not going to get much done And so yeah, there has been this I think very common misconception that all bots can respond to all kinds of commands And yeah, that's not how it works And I think that needs to be made clear because I think Even I assume that a lot of these chatbots would have AI behind them and a lot of them don't no They're just really really smart scripts Uh, and that's still useful It's still the conversational interface in that case Can still be more efficient than just throwing someone at a website, right because it can guide you through it But like you said that needs to be made clear when it's like, hey, man, I'm not here to just talk You know, I can answer very specific questions. And so I think the suggested interface Is the suggested response interface is probably good there But I get with the concern of like, well, then why not just have a menu system on a website? Why do you need a chat bot? So we may be teaching people the wrong thing, etc, etc I think the more AI you can put into them so they can handle a little bit of conversation But like you say still say, hey, I'm a weather bot. You start bringing up politics. I ain't got to talk about it You know, I think I think poncho is a really interesting case too because they had the They had the unfortunate The unfortunate amount of spotlight put on them like very quickly They were kind of one of like three apps that came to the surface when when bots really hit it big So it was like them the weather channel bot like 1 800 flowers and like maybe a handful of others And this was one messenger really launched with bots and they they were just bombarded with queries all the time And they have a very conversational way about them where the language that poncho the weather cat uses is pretty laid back And and chill so you kind of feel like you can talk to it But you couldn't even put your zip code in and get the weather for that. Yeah, that's a problem You had to know exactly what input to say in order to get the weather for your area And that that ended up with a lot of churned users that ended up with a lot of people who never went back and so they Think on that and I believe they're I think they're using wit.ai now for their nlp Yeah, that's what it said in the article. Yeah, so a lot of a lot of companies are using wit a lot are using lex from alexa A lot of them are using things like watson There's a ton now of different services that kind of provide bot bot makers with that that natural language processing Which can really go a long way towards Enabling conversation with users But at the same time you have to put a lot of effort into training your bot for what it's looking for and how To respond to those messages too. It's not just going to know that off the bat There's a lot of work that the developer has to do on their side as well So it's it's an ongoing process, but I think finding the appropriate use cases is really what it comes down to And that's the hard part I like what he had at the end of the article where they were talking about Bots really should be seen as customer relations management. They're they're salespeople They're and because you can keep having a conversation with a bot later One of the complaints that you mentioned earlier was people trying a bot and never going back But if you're doing it right it becomes something that reaches out to you Appropriately not spamming you but when it knows that there's something that you're interested in and says, hey, you know, I know you buy You you buy Skirts from us. We're having a sale on skirts. Just thought I'd let you know like again I don't want to my that example could say don't spam me to a lot of people But in the appropriate context you might be very excited to hear about that I think um four square actually had a pretty neat little project that they did called mars bot That you don't really chat with But it uses four squares geo fencing to realize when you're in a particular area And if it knows that you like sushi, for example, it'll say hey Oh, I see you're in civic center. This new sushi place opened up I think you might like it and so it sends these kind of unsolicited but also Highly valuable messages for the particular user and it doesn't do it very often. Yeah, it does a bot user It does not spam me and when it says something it's usually like, oh, that's cool That's cool to know even if I don't need to do it right then because it's based on me saying yes You can send me that and here's the kind of things that I'm interested in totally And I think that kind of situation makes a lot of sense and you know, especially with customer service stuff as well Intercom I think is the perfect combination of bot slash Human in the loop system where it starts off by messaging people when they go to a website like hey This is your first time visiting. Let us know if you have any questions Then if the user responds back it can auto assign that to an actual human Who can then continue the conversation? So it kind of kicks off the the interaction But it doesn't need to be smart enough to actually fill out all the responses. Yeah, it's just really interesting to see These boundaries being explored and hopefully it's it doesn't need to go through another, you know Dying off of things and Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com bunch of emails for episode 3000 to get through here First of all hometown rival wrote Friday afternoon that the eff updated their article On the news that Verizon was going to install that that app on your android phones that collected information Verizon says they're currently testing the app on a single lg phone And based on that information the eff is withdrawing its post while it investigates further Verizon at least now is saying. Oh, no, we're not rolling it out to everyone We're testing it on a single phone. You have to opt in to use the app. So sounds like at least now It's not as bad as we thought still though Not great I hope the test goes poorly Alec and Fayetteville Arkansas writes Tom and Veronica happy monday as I have disclosed in a prior email to the show I'm the guy that is responsible for putting robots and automation into factories In my position. I have luckily never installed a robot that resulted in someone being let go While yes, we eliminated a task on the factory floor That person is instead moved to a new task for us that it's typically a task for a lower volume product Or a subjective quality control inspection that simply can't be automated If you start the tax automation companies will want cheaper ways to do things And since almost any type of automation costs virtually the same to operate in any country with a reliable power grid All the jobs that are created by automation could easily be lost Also, I just finished pilot x and absolutely loved it. The last time I was that enthralled with the book It was Michael Crichton's timeline. Wow. Thank you. Alec. I'm glad you enjoyed the book Uh getting getting back to the robots though rich and lovely cleveland adds that this has implications on the tax as well He says I think in a lot of situations It's going to be murky what constitutes human replacement To make such a tax work. Well, I do think this has the possibility to transform what we consider work And could happen quickly it will still happen at a slow enough pace That it won't be completely obvious at what level it is replacing human work And what alex saying kind of bears that out I would also expect businesses to realize this murkiness and implement their ai solutions to work around These restrictions if the tax was too onerous never mind the extensive lobbying that would surely take place from both the business community and tech providers so to create to You you could implement your automation in a way that you could defensively say no It didn't it didn't actually replace a job But we put someone in another job and then we laid that job off later, but it had nothing to do with each other right Rico says uh, hi tom and gang veronica On show two nine nine three you and jesson were discussing the dig once proposal that is making its way in washington dc Here in belgium we live in that future. It is a dystopian future Be careful what you wish for Anytime an entity wants to dig open a public way They need to go through a process that ensures that all other entities have a chance to build together Great in theory in practice. However, it's the typical telecom 3d tactics Deny delay degrade The big former monopoly has all the leverage the small isp like myself gets the shaft I ordered a fiber connection in the center of brussels last year in august Got an estimated delivery date of eight weeks later Relatively short by the end of this cumbersome process the delivery date was close to 24 weeks Result my client gave up. I hope the dig once rule gets implemented in the us and you guys get more competition But stay vigilant and to quote the boys at mackey gab don't get caught Uh, yeah, no, that's good. It's all in the implementation, right? It's not just enough to have a good idea But to make sure the idea actually works Stuart the apple watch winner cooper Is an emergency services volunteer in melbourne australia who is involved in road crash rescue? And says we currently have very strict rules around who could drive our trucks with lights and sirens when required As a result of numerous stories on dtns about developments in autonomous vehicles I posted a question on a member forum asking what the effects of autonomous vehicles would be both on accident rates And as a way for emergency vehicles to be dispatched without a driver needed There were several well thought out replies along with several setting cases where there had been accidents with autonomous vehicles From stories on dtns. I was able to either counter the arguments with facts or fill in the details that were missed Good. Glad to hear that Stuart. Very cool um, and then we have an email from I can't see far enough down on the email to get the name joel This is a long email. He says hello tom in celebration of 3 000 episodes. I just wanted to finally write you an email to thank you I was born in 1993. Oh And grew up with technology and computerists like everyone else in my age But I never really thought much about it In 2008 I started reading a couple of technology and gadget websites such as and gadget and senet. Oh The same year I discovered buzz out loud and listened religiously to every episode I was fascinated by the knowledge and understanding that about technology that you molly and everyone else had I got so inspired by your work that I started my own little blog writing about technology news when I was 17 I started my own company selling banner ads on my blog I didn't make a lot of money, but it was nice. It was a nice thing to do in my spare time Some of the things I first reported on found its way back to engadget senet and even on the show over the years In 2013 I wanted to do more with my writing So I spent three years getting a bachelor's degree in journalism During my time at the university. I kept on writing about technology in my spare time After I finished my degree I got a job in a media company who wanted to start a mobile centric journalistic technology website I'm now the editor-in-chief of a new and small but growing journalistic mobile technology website and I love my job Since the day I found buzz out loud in 2008 I have listened to every episode of bol tnt and dtns that you have ever been on You have been a constant source of inspiration and a foundation for of my way of looking at technology and journalism You have inspired me to see things from different perspectives But not always just believe what's on the surface and to always be critical No other person has meant so much to me as you have I thank you for what you do and for what you've inspired me to do keep up the great work. Thank you Joel So I guess we did have a little episode 3000 celebration. Thank you. Joel. That's very nice. That's so nice Uh, and thank you veronica belmont who's been here for many of these 3000 episodes I'm all right. I guess. Yeah, you're pretty good What you got going on these days? Well, for sure tell people how they could subscribe to your bot zine Yes, if you want to read bot zine follow up on all the the hot bot stories of the week head over to bot zine.org You can also join the bot makers community at bot makers.org if you're an enthusiast or just interested in hearing about Perspectives from enthusiasts and other creators Also, if you work on a big team and want to help celebrate your team wins Check out robot and robot.io. It's the company I work for and write for and uh, it's it's it's a good time Thanks everybody who gives a little value back for the value they get from this show including lube paquette Dax gazaway steward marshal and many more at patreon.com slash dts. Look you want to count yourself Along with dax gazaway as a patron at patreon.com slash dts. Thank you dax Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show.com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphacigradio.com and diamond club.tv And our website is daily tech news show.com back tomorrow with nicole lee from engadget talk to you then Show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this brover Boom Nice good episode. Thank you. Yeah, of course What should we call it? Can you hear me? Yes, we can Fart bot uh my little fart bot dog just Added a 5,000 or t3,000 to their terminator or Toyota Uh taking pirate broadcasting to whole new level how uber cikes up its drivers Android domination And blogs we trust uber clingy zap here in the navy now The t-gling sensation means it's working. I thought someone would kind of do a spidey sense my Uh my spide brain is tingling bol plus tnt plus t tn as equals 3000 hack all the tv's Moving chap possibly on hello world pirate broad hacking We can draw the horizontal. We can draw the vertical. We control your tv. No, this is on the toilet No, it's the outer limits. I can't decide. There's a lot of good ones in here Oh, why you decide i'm gonna chomp on some rice I need I need you guys to tell me what you think Because I could go with a 3000 related one i'm fine with that, but I also like How uber cikes up its drivers is happier in the navy now That's happening. You're the navy now is funny and I like it, but I'm not sure if it Hours all the broad stuff that you guys true fartbot is winning fartbot's good But uh, I thought I remember episodes 3000 fartbot That sounds like something you would see on um future home Right totally does Do beats by seal Hack on the tv's uber gamification. It's soviet russia tv watches you It's true Yeah, I don't know it's hard Yeah, I guess this one's good dtns 3k. Yeah, well keep in mind it will say dtns 3000 dash Then the name I would say fartbot So I am still in jr. Hi Kind of reduce this the conversation down a little bit That tingling sensation means it's working. I like that one freeze How uber cikes up its drivers All right, uh veronica, what's your vote? I'm exporting now um Yes I don't know This one's hard Because it wasn't really the show wasn't really about uber We had a pretty good conversation about it, but yeah, you're right Maybe It would be fartbots, but plural instead of fartbot. Oh make it plural. Yeah Button made for oh, that's pretty good from icu Roger what do you think It's at the bottom button and no, that's your that's your pick button made for Yes, oh, it's so hard once you go bot you never go back I thought we've done something like that before You have fartbot fartbot. All right done. It's carried motion carried fartbot Sorry, I'm out I'm out of 5000. I'm out of 3000. Do you even know what that means drop a fartbot title and you're out Got it. See you Do you know the history of howdy 5000? What is the history of howdy 5000? What are you eating? A slurpee you're really like seriously eating a slurpee. Wow. Was it the freezer from yesterday? I thought you were and it's leftover. Yeah, that's what I mean to slurpee either earlier I don't know if it got caught in the in the pre-show, but I had no idea It's so much sugar. I'm getting a rush Why are you eating that? It's you're like you're you're the person I cite When I say like one of the first things you should cut off is sugary drinks I do I have one of these a month All right, maybe every two weeks your FDA approved regular regulated monthly allowance Howdy 5000 goes back to back in the 80s when There was a spate of consumer complaints against howdy 5000s because the brakes didn't work or something And so when it was used like in clueless. I'm out of five It just meant that I'm not stopping because I can't stop. I'm just rolling through Got it. Yeah, it has more meaning then than I thought otherwise. It's just a meaningless pun. Yep The fart has passed So much sugar. I gotta stop eating this. This is bad for you. It's bad people Your liver wasn't designed to eat a icy Don't follow rogers example We have a eileen. I should say Not me. I get to drive it sometimes. Yeah, eileen has an a4 It's old it's older, but it's a good car Yeah, I mean Just playing parts for those things for European cars in general. It's just so expensive true True that I personally drive a 14 year old toyota also a foreign car, but The parts aren't as expensive Well, anytime you take a car it's pretty reliable if it's mercedes beamer. It doesn't matter Because european they'll take it and they'll strip it for parts. Yeah One of these days. I'm gonna have to trade that car in I am driving my car until it's the most reliable car these days at toyota Literally, it is a toyota another toyota the camry That's what I got It's a 2006 civic was now like right up there too, but that's it. I don't know All right, which one it was I think civic is like up our civic is up there, but it's like number four I think the rest are either lexus or toyota I mean really the same company Correct one is just more expensive and has more little features The only thing I never liked about hondas is they have very low ground clearance for their cars. Oh, really? So at least back in san jessica. I would always be scraping I thought that was a really good episode It was great but but but Let me drink her strength in the bot world. Yeah She knows her stuff She knows her butts Robots robot arms Can't believe it's april already I think I say that every april Oh, because your taxes No, I feel like the year just started I still feel like it's a new year and we're more than 25 percent of the way through now April I think it's the four once you get to the four it really feels like oh, man We're close to halfway through even though we're really not we still have three months to go before we're halfway through You know what I'm saying? Are you too busy eating your icy? You're slushy. I'm getting your brain freeze How can you tell uh, it just feels like it's empty in there Yeah, no, I would get it I would say definitely it does feel that way part of it is There's so much crap you need to do like taxes and all these things that's being here At least for me it just feels like the year is already underway January, February, March part of it is because spring doesn't really hit till March And so you're kind of oh, it's still winter. It's rainy. It's like, uh When the sun's out you think oh no, it's a new start to a new year Birds are singing butterflies or Flutterer flying Kids are going to school and screaming Ah, yes the sounds of spring The carpenter's playing in the background Why do birds suddenly appear? Every time you aren't as if they were transported from a spaceship It's because I was paid to release these dubs whenever he approached you ma'am Why do birds suddenly appear and attack me? 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