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What's up with that shirt? What's so big about it? What are you talking about, dude? This is like epic. Epic in one shirt. It's a big Star Wars shirt, but what's special about it? I don't get it. He just ordered it. Fuck you. Yeah, but okay, but is there something special about it besides a battle? It is special. Why? Because it is. But what is it saying underneath? What's that word there? It's just Star Wars daily. I don't know. I don't really care about that. I just care about the epicness of everything that's going on right here. So Justin, let me ask you this. Yes. You've got, you're obviously a big Star Wars fan. This is not a secret. No. I would even say it's borderline. It's not there, but it's borderline. You know what? I flirt with it and I pull back. Well, like I was going to say, like you might at some point need, like let's say something bad and depressing happen to you. You would go over the line and it would become a psychological issue. But you're not there yet. You're just like, you're there, right? You're close, but you're not there. Not even close. Why don't you have any tattoos of Star Wars? He's thought about it. I know he has. I know he has. He's like, yeah. That's what he thought about, look. Yeah. Because it's too much like, that's like. It's an inner battle. I love this company. I'm going to put a company's logo on my body. That's fucking stupid. Yeah. See, but that's not the Justin that I know because the Justin I know. I like that Star Wars is far more than just a company. Yeah. Well, I mean, I like, you know what? I struggle with it because I do. I do kind of want to have like stormtroopers and fucking Darth Vader and you know, some cool shit. Would you say Star Wars as much as it is a franchise and a big business is a philosophy? Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's a way of being. That's what I'm saying. Like I feel like, I feel like you could have like a quote, like a Yoda quote or something fucking epic. When somebody, when somebody needs words on my body though, when somebody meets you, Justin, and they, and they want, like I, like I'm a 20 year old, like I'm only 20 years old, 19, 20 years old. I'm already not listening to you. But go ahead. And I, and I don't fully understand Star Wars. I have maybe never seen any of the episodes, but I've heard great things about it. How do you describe, describe the show or describe the series to a mind that doesn't fully understand it? Like, how do you like, how do you sell the show? How do you like prep them into it? Like, I'll be honest. As a kid watching it, I didn't understand the depth of it until I got older. As I got older, I went like, oh shit. Now I get it. There's like this whole myth. There's allegory. Yeah, I was too young. I mean, God, what are we, early 80s when it first came out? So I was only a, you know. Oh, I see. I was like, I think five years old watching it. Like, I didn't put that together. I know. Because people get caught up in like cheesy graphics or like costumes. Like that, that to me as a kid. And this is also why I think some like, okay. So if you were born in the R age, right? If you're born R age, if you were born in the 80s. I was born in 39. Yeah. Or really old 70s. Yeah. And you watched them as a kid. And maybe it didn't resonate with you or whatever. And then you've moved on from it. And you talk about Star Wars. You think of it like, oh yeah, the graphics are cheesy. Oh, what? I'm not into. But those that actually watched it later on and were older and understand that there's like this deep message underneath it. Yeah. All right. Those people I feel like have a greater appreciation. So how do you explain that to somebody who doesn't understand Star Wars? I don't think you can. They find it. The force is not with you. They find it if they're looking for it. There's a lot of surface people out there. And I can identify you right away based on your answer. Oh shit. Oh shit. So it feels like, it's almost like you asked Justin, it's no different than if you said Justin, can you explain God to some spirituality? Exactly. And he's like, no, they have to find it. No, you got to find your own path. You have to find your own path. Do the research. Would you say that Star Wars, besides being a major fan, like you love it, right? Yeah. Would you say that it impacted you in a way that made you live your life differently? I think that it... Don't fucking lie either, Justin. Well, yeah. Tell us the truth. In ways, but like... Wow, really? Well, I come from a... That's fucking powerful, dude. Well, here's the thing, dude. I come from a religious background. And for me, like, I like tangible things to think about, like, besides just like this, like, mysterious, like I'm trying to figure all this out based off of something that's like, you know, people trying to describe God, people trying to describe like, you know, religion in all these ways. It's like, it's not really tangible. You wanted something more realistic and tangible. Well, yeah. Like the Death Star. Yeah, just like the Death Star. We're overcoming something. Like a space movie about the distant future. You fucking guy. I can't have this conversation with you too. No, no, don't stop. You surface bastards. I... Okay, last question, and then we'll move on. I promise, Justin. I apologize for putting you on the spot. It's fine. Last question, you have to answer truthfully, because if you don't, then we're both going to jump you. Okay? Okay. So here's the question. Yeah. Honest. You're going to jump me? No, no, no. We're not going to jump you, bro. I'm just kidding. Yeah. You'd be pretty hard to jump in. Yeah, bring it. Be honest now. Have you ever watched Star Wars porn? Oh my God. There's your answer. Your hesitation. Question metal bikini. 100%. We don't need to know the details. Come on. I'll go and do that. I'm not afraid. You're a lightsaber. Bro, you can... Dude, like, return of the Jedi? Come on, man. Like, she's a slave? Like... Something spicy there. I feel like if Courtney has not dressed up as Princess Leia already, I think... She hasn't. Okay, so I'm going to... Oh, you're hitting the soft spot. He got a little upset right here. It's waiting to happen. Courtney, you need to step your game up on a little bit right now, because I know what this would do for my man. This is a good birthday present right here. But what if she dressed up... What if she's like... I don't want to dress up like Princess Leia. I want to dress up like Han Solo. Would you still be a rouse, or would it be weird? I mean, it would be weird at first. He's like, but I'm... He's like, but I can get through that. I'm like, hmm, this is an iconic character. I have to tackle this. Is that your blaster, I feel? I mean, you just have to see that. All right, change the subject. That's getting weird. Dude, it's getting real weird. Dude, you guys have to watch Black Mirror on Netflix. Dude, it's scary. I swear to God, bro. It's like overly creepy. You're such a pussy. You're going to put that... You're going to shout that one out. So all you guys that like dark stuff or scary stuff, go watch that. I'm going to shout out Genius on Nat Geo. Nah. It's too traumatized. Dude, so what? It's not just too traumatized. It's too traumatized. You're too... So here's what Genius... I did. I watched the first three episodes. Genius is the life of Einstein, which when I saw the description, I jizzed in my pants. I was so excited. I was like, oh, shit. Ah, this is going to be cool. And then I watch it and it's a fucking dramatization. It's like a movie with actors who are... He's pretending to be Einstein and it's going through his life. And I hate learning about people like that. I like to watch documentaries where they have old photos and people talking over them, the boring ones. Those are the ones I like to watch. And I could somewhat agree with you here, but I'm going to... I actually... This is funny. I like to be entertained by someone like this first. Sure. And then if I... What this makes me want to do now is actually go get a book on him or then go search a boring documentary. Because I want to be entertained. I'm sitting down to watch TV, so I'm like, part of me wants to be entertained. I don't want to be... If I want to be completely learning 100%, I'm going to be in a book or whatever. And so there's a part of me that wants to be entertained visually. So I enjoy the drama side of it. And I also take it with a grain of salt, too. So I'm not like one of those people that watches it and go like, oh my god, did you know that this happened to Albert Einstein and he was with... This was going on with Hitler and Hitler and him because it was in a show. There's a lot of cool... Einstein's an interesting person to learn about. You know, he used to bang like young chicks all the time. Dude, I'm telling you right now, after watching the show, I'm using his mind powers. I'm searching for a book right now to read on his life because he is even more fascinating than what I had already known. See, here's what I find very... This is something that we tend to do as humans is when there was an individual that's historically relevant, somebody who's like legendary historically, right? That they did something really good, like one thing or a couple of things really good. We want to know all the dirt. Well, no. What happens is we romanticize them and make them these like perfect, amazing people. I find it more fascinating to learn about how human they were. Einstein, like, he was very flawed human being. And I think this show does a good job of that. Yeah, it does, dude. But I'd rather learn it. He definitely... He looks like a bad father. He looks... He was definitely... He's a womanizer. He had lots of women always and he was married to multiple and even though he was married, he was with younger women, like you said. Like, I don't think they... Nobody learns that, by the way. A lot of people don't know that about Einstein. Yeah. This is some of the stuff and that's why I thought they do a pretty good job. Now I'm sure there's things that are exaggerated. He talked shit about quantum physics. He said it was... Yeah, he basically is like, doesn't make any sense and it's not... He didn't really acknowledge it. And then, of course, now, later on, we know how real it is. But no, he's a very interesting person, but if you really want to learn about someone you'll blow your mind. And half the stuff I read about him, I'm almost like, this can't be true, is Teddy Roosevelt. You guys ever read about Teddy? Oh, yeah. You know what? Like, Batman was actually based off of him. I heard that somewhere because he's... Like, in the middle of the night, he used to, like, go fight crime and stuff on the street. Teddy Roosevelt was... What? I swear to God. Adam. Yeah, did you take a billy club and like, go out and like... Bro, read about Teddy Roosevelt. Okay, think about the most... He's a fucking badass. Think about the most macho, like, super machismo badass, like, tough, like, stereotypical dude. He's that times a million. He was giving a speech in front of a crowd, like a huge speech. Someone shot him in the fucking body, like, I think, in the chest, and he was wounded, bleeding, finishes his speech. He's like, no, I'm not leaving. I'm finishing my speech right now. This is a true story. This guy was... Teddy Roosevelt was... Awesome. He had asthma as a kid. He was a sickly child. Ended up getting super into fitness and exercise and judo and boxing to make himself tough. Seek out, like, the most difficult things you could seek out as a human being just because he was a tough guy. Well, do you have a good documentary recommendation or what? Yes, PBS. PBS has an incredible documentary on the Roosevelt's. So they talk about Teddy, and then they talk about FDR, who I'm not a big fan of. Which one was it that was responsible for the National Park System? There's a few of them, but Teddy Roosevelt really was the one that started all that stuff. But the guy was, like, read about him and the Rough Riders when he would go out and just, like, volunteer to go fight in these battles, and then when they were like, no, we're going to station you here, and he's like, no, I want to be in the middle of this shit, and he would disobey orders to go actually fight, and yeah, and he's a crazy dude. He's a crazy, crazy dude, and he would practice Judo while he was a president, Judo unboxing. That's great. In the Oval Office. That's awesome. Yeah, he's a pretty interesting person. But anyway, what I was going to say is Black Mirror, dude, you guys got to watch it. It's modern-day Twilight Zone in the sense that the twists in it are so good, but it seems to be centered around technology. It was hard for me to get past even the first one where he's like banging a pig. I didn't see, what? Yeah. What season was that? It was like the first episode. It mustn't be, it's not the first season. It was like too much for me, man. It's not the first season. The first season is not that one. Yeah, it's actually the pig. They cornered, yeah, they cornered some politicians. All the animals are going to fuck a pig? Yeah, they're just like... They forced them to do it, otherwise they're going to kill all these people, and he's just like in this moral dilemma, you know, should I fuck this pig in front of, you know, like a live feed from everybody, and his wife was like... This is an episode? Yeah, that's Black Mirror. I'm going to find one. That's why I was like... Ah! It's twisted, dude. So maybe I'll... Yeah, it's very twisted. I like... I like... This is what I like about Black Mirror. I enjoy... I figure shit out too easily when I watch movies, which kind of pisses me off like I'll watch a movie and then... I'm the same way. I love twist. And then a quarter into it, I'm like, okay, here's what's happening. And then if I'm right, I get angry. But if I'm really fucking wrong, I love it. Like I love being really wrong. Like X... That's hard to do now, yeah. That movie X Machina, or X Machine, I don't know how to pronounce it. That one did that to me. Yeah, that was a bad movie. That one fooled the fuck out of me when I watched that one. I was guessing the whole time, so very good stuff. You still haven't watched House of Cards yet, right? I've seen... I saw about maybe eight episodes, and it's cool. I could see how I get into it, but it's tough for me to... You know, I'm already so into politics, and I know how twisted and shit that whole world is. I think it's just... I don't know. I just... I want to get away from that sometimes. I don't know. Maybe I'll get back into it. I feel like it's the real version. Yeah, I just feel like you... The real version is so horrible. Yeah, there's plenty of drama there already. I feel like you would enjoy it so much because of that, and you would appreciate, like I do, the twists that are in it, too. Now, the actress that plays his wife, I love her as an actress. She's excellent. She was in Wonder Woman. She was in Wonder Woman. She was the queen. Yeah, yeah. Now, she's awesome. I think the actors, actresses are phenomenal in that show. I think it's got an incredible plot. Like many seasons, I feel like a lot of series, they tend to really die off after a couple seasons or it feels like they're repeating the same stuff. So you actually get to kind of see him work his way into the Oval Office. So, you know, I think that whole process... So he does become president. Yeah, so I think you would enjoy just that whole process of all the... Well, I love usual suspects, so I'm sure I'd love that show. Yeah, let's do fucking one of the race movies all the time, right? Right? For sure. Best twist ever. Well, let's... Bring that burden! Let's get into it. Wow! Step right up, all you bearded men and all you bearded ladies. This quads brought to you by Big Top Beard Company, whose all-natural beard oil products not only make your beard smell amazing, but feel amazing, too. Their organic essential oil blends transport you to manly places like the mountains, the desert, the sea, and beyond. All while encouraging a lot of beard nuzzling the boom. Buy it for yourself or as a gift for that special bearded someone at BigTopBeardCompany.com. Enter the discount code MIMEPUM for 33% off at checkout. Our first question is from Zach Harding. Our boy! What do you think people will be struggling with? Hi, Zach. What do you think people will be struggling with? Awareness-wise, 30 years from now. Awareness-wise? For sure, I think it is going to be being present. I think that... Listening. Which kind of all falls in the same category, right? No, I really do. Don't listen to you. I think that we are becoming so plugged in and it's really hard to disconnect. And this, to me, going through that book are irresistible right now and they dive into this topic. And I think that we have no idea. Facebook, I mean, all these things, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, all this stuff has only been around for 10 years or less. I know, is that crazy? So we really have not really seen the repercussions of it. Like, we don't know how bad this could get and they're showing how addictive all the...in fact, they're engineered to be very addictive and we're seeing people with huge issues with it, with not being... I mean, they actually now have... Compulsion. There's actually a...they call it... Fuck was the name, of course. I forget the name, I just read this. Actually, people have separation anxiety from their phone. It's like a real... It's a real issue now. The shorter... Yeah, where people get frantic and freak out and anxiety because they don't have their phone right next to them. And why I think I'm so passionate... I've seen this happen. Well, I've felt it myself. I know it's like to be... Oh, shit, I forgot my phone. Like... Yeah, panic. Like, yeah, like why is it such a big deal? Dude, when we were younger, it wasn't even that long ago, like when someone was gone, they were gone. They were on the ether. Like, when you get back. Yeah. I'll leave you a message until you get back to it. Right, right. Like, so, you know, I think that the biggest thing that people are going to struggle with awareness-wise is being present and connected to now and not being so plugged in. I mean, I will debate that all day long. I can't imagine anything being worse than that because that's only getting worse. So, you know what I hate about this question? It's 30 years, like... Yeah, that's... I think what I'm saying is 10 years. Yeah, 30 years, holy shit. Yeah, here's what I think. If 30 years, our lizard overlords expose themselves, we'll be living on the sun as slaves for... I have no fucking... We'll have a Mars colony. Do you have any idea just how different things will be in 30 years? Well, in 30 years, we were just... Justin and I were listening to that podcast. They're predicting, within that amount of time, we're gonna be immortal. Yeah, we'll be immortal. We'll die. So, who gives a fuck? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You can do whatever you want. Right? I mean, be plugged in for 20 years, 30 years of your life, then be unplugged for 100 years. You know what I'm saying? Like, who knows where we're gonna be in 30s a long time? Well, I mean, the thing is, like, think about it this way. Let's go back 30 years. So, let's go back to, you know... Oh, God. Yeah. Go back to 1987. The changes that we've seen in the last 30 years, we're gonna see way more changes, way more dramatic changes in the next 30 years, because as we advance... It's compounding. It becomes... It advances faster and faster and faster. Right. So, for me, the technological changes in 30 years are fascinating as hell. What fascinates me more are the societal changes that we'll see in 30 years as a result of that technology. So... Yeah. So, think about it this way, like... More annoying people. Well, think about all... Think about this, like, let's say in 30 years, we have, you know, hyper-realistic robots that can converse with you and have their own intelligence. Will those self-aware robots then protest and want their own protections and liberties? Will they want to be recognized as citizens? Will they be able to vote? What about when people want to marry robots? Because that's gonna happen. Will that be the next civil rights issue? What about 30 years from now, people will be engineering their children or, you know, themselves? Or how much, you know, robot are you or how much human are you? Because everybody's gonna be, like, advancing, you know, their abilities by, you know, incorporating all this tech and chips and all these things. What about 3D technology, where people... 3D printing technology, where people will print their own medications and drugs. They'll be able to, you know, what's that gonna do? I mean, I think in 30... I think we have no clue. This is a long, you know, that's a long span for how fast everything's moving. I think, and here's your clue, by the way, how fast things have changed. Like Adam said, like, YouTube and Facebook and these companies that are just everywhere didn't exist. Not 30 years. They didn't exist 15 years ago. And not only did they not exist, they weren't even a thought. And within a short period of time, within a decade, not only did they come up on the scene, they literally now rule the fucking world. When I read... I was on a plane, you know, to Spokane, I read this whole article of what Facebook is really, like, focusing on and trying to innovate and bring forth. And it's all, like, augmented reality. And so that's gonna be the new cell phone. The new cell phone is just gonna be pop-ups of items and different things that are gonna go along your peripheral that you're just gonna interact with. And that's gonna be the new thing that everybody does. I think the big question will be 30 years from now. The big, big, big struggle and question will be, what does it mean to be human? I think that will be the constant question we will ask ourselves. What does it mean for me to be human? Am I still human if I plug into, you know, this reality that I escaped to? Am I still human if all of my, you know, natural abilities from my sight to my smell to my ability to think are augmented to the point where I'm now superhuman? Am I still human if I can genetically engineer my baby to have the most incredible genes ever and be immune to everything, you know, to cancers and all these diseases? Like, you know, can I marry a self-aware robot, like I said? Is that gonna even count? Like, and you guys were making fun of me for Star Wars. You know what I mean? Like, this is exactly what they're talking about, like the whole time. Like, there's, oh, that's an ancient religion practice. You know, they're making fun of these guys. There's the outliers. There's gonna be the outliers that, like, refuse to adopt all of this technology and all this advancement that we're all getting, you know, fucking crazy with. Like, why? Is it really gonna, like, make your life that much better? Or is this just a big fucking distraction that, you know, we're in a hustle to create for no reason? Yeah, picture this. Picture, like, a, like a future. Who knows how far in advance be like a thousand years, something like that. Where you have this society of, like, engineered people and everybody's perfect and tall and nice teeth and smile or whatever. And then there's, like, this little isolated area where people are like, fuck all that. But they're all diseased and, you know, shorter and uglier and they're all kind of, you know, and they kind of show the disparity between the perfectly engineered people and the ones that refuse everything and want to live, like, all gangly teeth. Well, I think Matrix hit it best when they said that they tried that and it didn't work, right? Like, I feel like if we had this, like, perfect world that we would be eventually we'd be just as unhappy. Well, did you know what happened to us? Utopian, yeah, wasn't registered for us. I think we're going to reach a point where we will have solved most major physical, biological ailment, but we will be tackling psychological issues. Psychological issues will be the illnesses that we will have issues with. For example, did you guys know that anxiety now is the leading psychological disorder now? It's actually one of the top, if not the top, psychological disorder. It's never been the number one, but now, I believe it has, actually read an article. You know, we have more things at our disposal and way less, actual way less things to stress about, real things to stress about. And what I mean by that is things that'll actually kill us than we ever have. And yet, people are more anxious than ever. Who knows what that's going to look like 30 years from now. I think 30 years from now it's going to be, like, I think, like what you're saying, Adam, it's a very, very, I think that's a very smart prediction. I mean, I would bet on that. I don't know, but I would bet that in the future, you know, people are going to spend a lot of time and money on, like, getting away from everything, because they're going to have to, to figure out. Well, we already see it, right? We've talked about this on the show multiple times. You see the rise in these practices that have been around forever. Like, float tanks have been around since the fucking, like, 60s and 70s. Like, it's not a new thing, but like, all of a sudden you're hearing about it all the time now because of that. Like, all these day spas and meditation and yogas on the run, all these businesses that have been around for a very long time, they're, I feel like they're more needed now than they ever were. Right? Like, because of, because we've gotten so extreme with being plugged in and disconnected and not present, doing things that are, that help us be mindful and present and slow our life down because we've gotten so fast, right? Yeah, what scares me is the ease at which people voluntarily give up their autonomy and freedoms because they like things a lot and, you know, like, for example, you know, like social media and, you know, they give out all this information about themselves and they give these people all this control and this power and it's all voluntarily. Like, they just, they don't care. Like, you know, they don't mind. That kind of worries me a little bit. It worries me that people. It's easy to fall into the group mind, you know, to the group activity, like fear of missing out and I am always like, like evaluating that, like, where am I getting my ideas from? And if it's from this, like, collective, especially with social media, it gets crazy because everybody, like, they fall into a train of thought and it's like, where did I, why am I even, like, thinking like this? It's like everybody's preaching this one thing and not evaluating it, like, specifically. Well, let me ask you guys this. Do you think people are easily manipulated by, like, fear and sex and desire? Of course, of course. Yeah. So now, picture this, right? And I'm talking about just today, forget 30 years from now, just right now, the amount of information that Google and Facebook have together on people in depth is, we've never had this ever. We've never experienced something like this. Like, Facebook and Google, if you combine their information, they know so much about you, about what you like, what you desire, what you want, what you're afraid of, your habits, where you shop, what you do, the pictures you like, the articles you read, how long you read them, you know, they have so much information on you, it's incredible. It's more information that we could process, I think, currently, with our current technology. But now imagine some tyrannical, I don't know, government or something, decides, we need all this information. We need to compile all this information because we want to, you know, we're scared of terrorists or we're scared of a, you know, maybe there was a big cyber attack and everybody's bank accounts were wiped out and everybody's freaked out and they're like, here, please protect us. So now the government or some tyrannical organization has all this information. Fuck. Like, they could, they could really manipulate the populace. Politicians have been manipulating people forever by scaring us. Well, Jesus, man, if they had this information, like, there's no chance, we'd have no chance. We'd have no chance. You know, they already do. Like, people would walk around believing whatever they wanted them to believe in. It wouldn't be hard. Like, there's software that already is very similar to Minority Report. It's all based off of algorithms and they've already implemented into, like, different cities as trials to predict crime in hot spots and it's very accurate. It's very accurate. It's crazy, man. I mean, we're living in a time that's just like, it really is like science fiction, if you like, like compartmentalize all these different things that are happening at once. Well, I feel like a lot of those those science fiction type movies, I mean, they take a little bit of truth and then they expand on it and a lot of times what makes them really good is they're very believable, right? Like, you watch like a Minority Report and you back, and I remember when that movie came out, it's like, fuck, I could kind of see it. You could kind of see it. I was like, yeah. They're interacting with it all, like, in a way where they're gesturing with their hands, they have that technology. Like, what's cool about science fiction, this is why I've always been into it, it's because it's stretching, you know, the thought process with science and so it actually like, it, a lot of times science, like, looks at that and like, oh, wow, maybe we can build that and they've actually tried and they've tried to build like a lightsaber and like some people have like, actually come up with these like, crazy, like it looks, you know, somewhat. Well, sci-fi's always, sci-fi's actually done a fantastic job of predicting future inventions and events. A lot of sci-fi writers are science nerds who then use what they know about science. They just use their mind to expand on that. Yeah, exactly. And then they think about what things are going to look like. Oh, it's just like what we're doing right now by speculating where we think the 30, I mean, our speculation isn't just us randomly, it's like what we've seen. Yeah, we've seen the patterns and, wow, where could this lead us? Well, you do know that most sci, like science predictors or futurists that they'll call themselves predict that phones, we won't even be using cell phones in like 10 years. Like they say that the era of the cell phone will be over and will be into something else. Oh, yeah. I can't even imagine. Yeah, I've read almost everywhere that, or not everywhere, but a lot of places that hardware will be dead. Hardware will be any like phone, TVs, things like that that are actually like cable boxes, all those things like that. Like all the hardware is going to be done. Like everything will just be, I'll be able to say like, I'll play house of cards. We have two environments. There's two environments. There's the physical environment and then there's the digital environment. And so like you're going to interact with both at the same time. And so it's going to be a matter of distinguishing between the two and then like shutting one off and like being present the other. That's going to be like a really hard space for people to deal with. Well, I think fitness will look, I mean, if you look at the current rate of change and some of the, some of the things that they're discovering now with biology, I think fitness will look very different. I think in 30 years, they're going to figure out ways to give people to trigger adaptation responses and people's bodies without having to move and exercise and do it the hard way. I really fucking do. Annoying. And why? Because there's a lot of money in that. Like if somebody invented a therapy or a pill that you could take or do that then triggers the cast, whatever that, you know, because we still haven't really identified how to do it, but once they can identify and trigger it, like who wouldn't do that? Who wouldn't take a pill? Oh, this is my workout for the day. And then their body adapts like if they just do it. No, I think you're right. But I also think that there'll still be a lot. There'll be weakness there though. Yes, because you didn't have to overcome anything. Yes. I was just going to say the lack of character built because of that, I think that's where you'll create two different cultures. Right. You'll have this culture of like take whatever, you know, take the pill, take the easy route or the people that choose to go the old school rougher route because they realize what that does for their character. That'll be the small minority. It will be. Well, I mean, when you look at it right now, you're the small minority anyways. Right now, the people that actually do the work in our fitness people right now, I think those, a lot of those people, like probably a lot of our listeners, I think are, I like to think are self aware type people that would be those people that choose that. Sure, there might be a good portion of them also that would take the pill and take the easy route. But I think a lot of people would reckon are smart enough to recognize that and that are in health and fitness. Now, what it would do is and you get, would it be a bad thing? Would it help all the other, the rest, I think it would be good. Yeah. Honestly, I would not argue against it. I mean, of course I'd be, I'm old school, right? So I'd be like, yeah, I used to do it the old fashioned way. I know. But I mean, I wouldn't be able to argue with it because if it was exactly like exercise, of course, speculating here, but it created all those adaptations. Well, now you're solving all this disease, obesity. Right, right. People feel good, they look good, the hormones are good. Yeah, you'll have that and then you have exosuits and you'll have all this like crazy stuff where you just, you're gonna have abilities that you've never had before. So it's gonna be, it's gonna get weird dude. I'm just telling you guys. Get ready. Yeah. Quick commercial break. 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You did chest and you did like, you know, 15 reps for chest and you know, there's some benefit to this but there's also some detriment and the reason why, so for those of you who are listening who have maps any of our maps programs you know that we we phase workouts in two to four week phases and within those two to four week phases the rep ranges are very similar and now some people when they design a program they vary the rep ranges much sooner than that. So it's like one workout is one rep range the next very next workout. The philosophy is about, you know, varying everything and varying everything. Now the reason why we and the variation is important of course, you want to change the adaptation signal you're sending because your body will adapt to each one and if you just stick to one your body stops adapting and stops progressing but the reason why we don't necessarily adhere to this constant variation all the time or at least doing it on a regular basis is because there's a few different reasons. One, you're not express you're not getting the full expression of the adaptation of that new stimulus and what I mean by that is the very first workout you do in a low rep range for example or the first couple workouts you do your body is really starting to get into how can adapt with that and by the time you get to the third four fifth six workout your body is really getting adapted to that new rep range and you're getting all these crazy results it doesn't happen the first or second workout it kind of gets the ball rolling by the second or third week you've kind of hit this peak and you start to dip a little bit and that's when you switch to your adaptation so really it's like it would be like me having someone squat one workout and leg extension of the workout and longitudinal workout like we're not maximizing what we can get out of every exercise because we change too quickly in our opinion so now that being said are there benefits to doing some of this I think there's some hypertrophy benefits to doing it once in a while especially within the same body part so you know I might do if I'm doing chest in a workout and I'm doing heavy bench press and I'm doing you know one to three reps but then the next exercise I'm doing the higher reps and squeezing and then the third exercise I'm trying to get a good pump every once in a while throwing it in like that may have some hypertrophy benefits so I could see mixing it up every once in a while like that but so I have this happens to me I follow a you know very similar protocol to our maps right I modify exercises and combine a little bit of green with black and so but for the most part I follow our principles which what Sal was talking about as far as phasing in and out of rep ranges but where I do make an exception the rule is like this so just two days ago I came into my training session and I felt more sore my chest was really sore and I had chest work to do that day and so when I got and I was supposed to be working in phase one of our maps black which is strength base so I'm like five repetitions like the low rep range and because I felt like I'd done a lot of damage that I was still sore and recovering on my chest when I got to my chest exercise instead of following my five rep protocol I chose a lighter weight and did high repetitions and I got a pump because I felt like I had already done enough damage on my body that my body was still trying to repair from that I would move over into the hypertrophy side of it and work on the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and the pump and get the benefits and from that versus doing more damage to an area that is still trying to recover so this is a way that I might do this every now and then is if I'm working and even if you're not following maps call where it's five reps but then you're on a certain body part that is just feels taxed from the last time that you did it I might lower and that's a lot of that's for one I've got damage I've already done to safety like I've been in my joints like if you're already achy and sore in that area and you're hitting it again like you could do that but then I'm also putting myself at a higher risk I'm probably not going to be very so hey you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to go light this is also too where I incorporate other types of like this I might do some tension work or I might do like really slow concentrated stuff with isolation stuff so this is where I always encourage flexibility in and modifying our programs is like here's your foundation here's how you should phase in and out of stuff but then there are always exceptions to the rule where you might make these minor adjustments of how I might actually do something like this where I have a different rep range did you guys ever do something like that yeah I mean that's where I'll use like focus session type stuff or trigger session type stuff I mean if you've been working out for a while you should have the ability to modify and you know individualize your sessions I think it's important to add these kind of variables you know every now and then and to introduce but yeah for the most part you want to have a solid baseline so you can go back to that and kind of reference and see like how you know how all this played out specifically because you kept it all consistent and so consistency is definitely something that you know we stress you have to have that knowledge base first in order to flirt with these types of methods otherwise you're you're playing a guessing game on which one of those it's like taking a shit ton of supplements all at one time you don't know which one's doing what and it's hard for you to really get good at one of them yeah if you go with strength you don't want to just like throw in a ton of wraps like in between your strength move you know because now your body's like trying to figure out well I need endurance and I need to overcome this and you know so you're just like muddying the waters at that point and I would argue I mean in one group you had them do you know three week phases where three weeks at a time they focus on a particular rep range a particular style of training for a particular type of adaptation and in the other group you just took all the forms of exercise and adaptation you want and mixed them up all the time I would bet you that the vast majority of people or people that you put through this type of comparison will do far better where they're phasing their workouts I've seen it it tends to adapt better when you give a very specific protocol versus throwing a lot of things at it and then you kind of get a little bit of everything and sometimes none of all of them and the other thing too is people have a higher tendency to over do shit when they're mixing stuff up all the time because it's hard to measure you know which one you're over doing and how much of each you need to do I also want to point out that I think that we're kind of splitting hairs when we get into the show before is that you know people have done this now maps is big now we've got a ton of people that have ran through the program ton of great results and we've had a lot of people that have done lots of other programs from very credible trainers or fitness minds out there and they want to compare like well so-and-so's program has this protocol and you guys have this protocol which one is better well you know getting into topics you compared like and let's take someone like a Ben Pakolsky a respected person in the industry that we know understands programming really well right so someone like that guy and you compare his programming to like how maps is and maybe there's some variances there's some differences between the programs you know which one is better than the other well at the end of the day an inferior program done consistently is better than the best program in the world done inconsistently so and we've said this before that you know that trumps everything being consistent and following through on your programming and staying on it is going to show you more results in your body than anything else now once you've built that consistency down then learning how to phase and focus on certain adaptations and phase in and out whether you phase in out how maps does it at three weeks or four or five weeks because somebody else's protocol stretches you a little bit longer which is which is better than the other or is one wrong or one right and this is really like why we tell people like when you go through maps it isn't just a program follow this program it's the best program for you know it's really designed to teach you how to program yourself and get some of the the big rules like as far as like we talk about like phasing adaptations out and understanding the difference between rep ranges and focusing on strength focusing on hypertrophy principles you can take what you've learned from going through maps and you can start to play with little things like this where you hey I'm gonna throw in a high rep in this day with my legs and that's just you know and see how the body responds maybe it responds really well for you maybe it doesn't you know but I think that's the main takeaway is that you know being consistent about your programming is by far more important next up is Johnny Dumbbells hey good old Johnny Dumbbells hey what are your thoughts on the sun and UV exposure ooh great topic he's a good kid exactly he's a good topic so the common I guess common knowledge amongst in western medicine is that any type of adaptation that your skin has to the sun is damage and all damage is bad therefore you want to minimize any type of tanning that your body may have didn't you get into a little friendly debate on our forum about this I had a discussion we actually have a very we have a great dermatologist yeah I believe so and very intelligent woman we had a nice discussion about this on the forum and you know that's the current belief now here's my problem with that my problem is first off there's lots of studies showing that people who get lots of sun exposure have lower overall mortality versus people who have lots of sun exposure there's also an epidemic of low vitamin D levels in people that now when you go to the doctor a lot of doctors actually test your vitamin D levels and they're finding lots of people have low vitamin D vitamin D acts like a hormone in the body so it can actually be considered a hormone in some cases and low D levels are strongly strongly connected to higher cancer rates across the board so there's that besides the D besides vitamin D there's other lots of other benefits that you get from the sun my argument is this humans evolved being in the sun a lot all of us even people who evolved in the northern latitudes you know you've got people that are super white like Justin amen you know clear they still your ancestors still got more sun than the average person today who is in indoors all the time is on their computer all the time so our bodies evolved with a lot of sun exposure or more so than a lot of us get now and that right there tells me that there's some benefit to getting sunlight I think we've taken some truth which is if you get some burns if you damage your skin a lot you're going to increase your risk of skin cancer we've taken that we've gone so far the other direction and said don't go out in the sun and if you do damage your body all the time to protect yourself from the sun and again sunscreen for example most sunscreens are these chemical based sunscreens and now we're finding that they have hormonal effects in people because they're like xenoestrogens they attach to estrogen receptors very weakly but they express themselves and so then you get these interesting long-term potential effects I say go out and get sunlight don't get burned it's very different from person to person but it's crazy to me that we tell people to avoid this I think it's because we're so not used to the sun that now if you get the average person they're like oh I heard on mind pump that the sun is good and they go out and they get some burn because they're so they go all in they go all in and they're you have to introduce it slowly especially I mean yeah I'm definitely the perfect example for that I have to figure out and then okay I should probably go hang out in the shade or put some you know put a shirt on or whatever but yeah you want to do it minimum doses and then I mean that just from just from you know talking to Mercola it's got me really thinking about getting you know trying actively to actually get more exposure to the sun and try and get vitamin D source more from that and then adopts these policies of using lots of sunscreen and they'll they'll check them out long term and skin cancer rates sometimes don't even go down the deadliest form of skin cancer rates melanoma are actually lower melanoma rates and people who get lots of sun and if they do see a small drop in skin cancer they see a rise that over that overpowers that and just overall mortality plus you want to think about this this is something starting to talk about a little bit in health and in medicine and that's that you can you can your body can kind of be in this pro cancer state to where normal things can cause cancer versus when you're in this not this this anti pro cancer state to where normal things don't cause cancer so in other words if I'm unhealthy you know I eat lots of you know I over eat food are off so I'm in this I smoke cigarettes so I'm in this kind of pro cancer state and then I get lots of sun now it becomes a big skin cancer risk versus someone who's any very healthy anti cancer state maybe someone who knows how to fast properly who eats proper diet moves right is not exposed to lots of environmental toxins and chemicals and they get sunlight now they get lots of benefit and not any negative so I think context is very important in this type of situation and I really hate it when we look at things and we're so simplistic with them like we say okay yeah sunlight creates this damage this damage creates these mutations and then they make this connection and say you're going to get higher rates of cancer well if you if you did that with exercise it would be treated no one would do it nobody right if you actually took what exercise looks like then acutely it looks causes cancer causes death right so I think that I think that's basically what I've always done with clients is be mindful about this where I saw issues especially like I felt like in the late 80s early 90s there was like this you know everybody was like just out in the sun as much as they could you know I remember I remember going through high school and like girls on the weekend as soon as that the heat came out right as soon as it started hitting 80 degrees you know the girls you know in high school would all you know what's coming lay out lay out lay out all weekend you know on Saturday and Sunday lay in the sun for eight hours so they get this barbecue so yeah so they get this now I think if you are aggressively going getting out in the sun like you are putting yourself at higher risk and those people should be protecting themselves with some sort of you know sunscreen and I know that they make they make some that are good I know that all of them they make like zinc oxide yeah I know that I think brand I think I've seen bullfrog and some other brands that are good ones that are like better ones better for you than some of these other ones that you're talking about Sal so I normally tell someone and if you're maybe you're in a job that forces you to be in the sun all the time to protect yourself you know like it's important to say that yeah because it's like I honestly if I know that I'm going to be out on the lake or I'm going to be somewhere like I'm lathering up man you know risk versus reward I'm going to you know I don't want to get all like burned and blistered and so it's like yeah of course I'm going to put sunscreen on but I'm also trying to pursue like whatever the minimum effective dose of sunlight I get you know consistently I'm actually pursuing that because it's healthy for me yeah and and sunscreens that's a great topic like I see people like just slather on their little babies you know just tons of these chemical based sunscreens and these chemicals have been shown to have these estrogenic effects where they can they're like hormone disruptors now it's very very mild super super mild but you put it on a developing child and you put it on them all the time and you may cause some problems but I can't stress this enough I really think context and the environment your body is in internally makes a big difference like I would love to see a study of people who got lots of sunlight who were also very healthy who ate a certain diet who you know had lots of healthy fats in their diet who exercised right and did all those things what their risk would be skin cancer-wise versus other people who are very unhealthy who also got sunlight that has to make a fucking difference that has to make a big difference and again if you just look at like you know I had this conversation with other people about like cooking food over a fire like whoa did you know that when you barbecued me or it creates all these carcinogens well yeah it does but since the discovery of fire that's how we've cooked shit like we didn't have like we didn't cook things any other way and so it makes me think that that's it's not that simple it just doesn't work as simplistic as that it's like bacteria versus carcinogens you know it's like exactly so bacteria cause make an argument for it being more raw hey let's just look down the past let's look at the past of our medical history right we discovered germs we discovered that bacteria causes illness so what did we do we killed all of it everything antibiotics antibiotics soaps everything's super sterile super clean because we now discovered that bacteria cause a disease and now what is happening now we're getting disease as a result of lack of bacteria we went too fucking far we're gonna get the hormetic effect of you know being introduced to it you know a small dose we went too far we do this with everything and I see I the advice I hear people get with the sun it sounds extreme it sounds crazy to me we're humans we evolved out in the sun we evolved on the fucking you know the savannas of Africa or in the Middle East in the sun and you're trying to tell me that you stay away from the sun as much as possible just get 10 to 15 minutes of exposure a day that's all you need like what human before we had all this modern you know lifestyle what human got 10 to 15 minutes of sunlight like you didn't do that you were out in the sun most of the time and then when it got dark there was no sun so body adapted yeah so that's my opinion but I'm not a dermatologist so don't blame it on me something I gotta make sure I say that shit good protection quick commercial break you guys we keep getting asked all the time how can I support the mind pump family here's one of the best ways you guys can you guys love that chimera coffee that we have chimera coffee with a K you go to chimeracoffee.com put in the discount code mind pump for 10% at the checkout also if you guys want to know how I have this luxurious beard and you want one too go to bigtopbeardcompany.com put in the discount mind pump again but this time for 33% off also you guys if you guys have not tried Ben Greenfield's new bars out there fantastic if you want some go to bengreenfieldfitness.com forward slash nature bite put in the code mind pump and get 10% off go check it out next question is from Devin Shreddersen if you could go back in time would you do steroids again hey I'm assuming that's gear is that was it geared towards me there well you know I could answer too because I did the whole pro hormone you know designer steroid thing what a good question it is right like how different would you be and what would that yeah and first off start by saying that I'm not one I'm not big on regrets like I believe I believe a lot of things happen for I believe everything happens for a reason and I believe that it's like you wouldn't be who you are exactly it wouldn't it wouldn't provide me the passion I have about it now talking on this show and I believe that's a piece of what contributes to this show is that I've been there I've done that I've got the bad story of you know I took too much of it now I have to take it in order to be fucking normal so I feel like and also I was a knowledgeable trainer who even took it so I felt like I am somebody who should have known better and yet it still affected me this way so but that being said because it's hormonally changed me forever there is a little bit of regret there you know I wish that I wish I would have known that it was going to affect me this way I wish I would have foreseen that the shitty part is though again I wouldn't be who I am today so and would I I don't think I would have done them at 20 something if I could go back do it all over again but I I definitely think that into my 30s I would have dabbled in it for sure I think now do you think all the growth like the personal growth you got from it you know all the challenges you had to go through if you could keep all of that but just like snap your fingers and be like I never took it you know what I mean I know this is a super highly unlikely you know obviously impossible situation but then would you do you think you would have yeah no I didn't for sure because that was part of that was I needed to go I needed to I needed to find that answer out for myself right before I had made that decision to try and do steroids I had thought and I said this on a recent podcast that I really truly believe deep down that the only thing that separated me from the covers of those magazines were that they were on antibiotics and I wasn't I really believe that I truly truly believe that that I ate really well I believe that up until not that long ago right and I think that this is a why too like I speak so passionately to people that are interested in it and wanting to try them is that you know listen I know you think that it's going to be like this but it's not what you think it is and if you haven't proved to yourself that you can diet and get yourself in you know 6 to 7% body fat naturally you don't want to do that stuff it's just it's like being a race car driver and just learning how to drive this car and like all of a sudden being like 100 horsepower and some nitrous go have some fun and you're like just learning how to drive it's a waste and it's probably going to do more harm than it's going to do good now extra 100 horsepower and a nitrous in your car absolutely when you're on the competitive level is going to give you an advantage of beating the other race cars but if you can't drive that car very well and you go and you enhance it there's a better do more harm than good to the vehicle because you think you're a good driver but you're not that good of a driver yet that's how I feel about my body and I thought I was a better driver and I didn't realize I wasn't until after I made that choice and realized oh shit it didn't just make me look like the cover of the magazine there's something else I'm missing and I'm not doing right 20 years and what I've seen steroids do to people is prevent them from learning how to train themselves it's in reinforced bad habits and behaviors when it comes to nutrition and training because the steroids will do the work for people sometimes and you know if you're a guy in the gym and you're getting a pump every workout and you feel like you're growing or whatever a diet of bulking cheeseburgers and french fries all time is working fine and they don't learn their body and then later on when they go off of them they either stop working out completely I know a lot of people who use a lot of steroids in their 20s who stopped and not only stopped using steroids they stopped working out they don't even work out when it comes to you and you're using steroids and you're not really trying to advance your training techniques like man that's going to be hard to re-motivate yourself to get back in especially if you don't even know you don't even know how to train your body like you're doing the same routine and the same types of training that you did before but you're not only seeing no results you're seeing negative results and so now it's all about the steroids and the attitude becomes why am I wasting my time or this sucks I don't want to do this anymore and so I've seen a lot of that and then the other hormonal disruptions and I know I knew a couple guys that had to get kind of comastia surgery actually have breast tissue removed from underneath their nipple because of anabolic but the biggest side effect I've seen and this is not a good one it's a nasty one are abscesses and you know infections from the injection sites and I know a guy that had to have a chunk not a little piece like a chunk of his ass cheek removed because it went he had an infection that turned like dead tissue and they had to go in and cut it out and you know you gotta think about it this way like you're injecting something that was made and mixed on the black market very, very, very few I'd say probably I would guess less than 1% and the reason why I say less than 1% because I can count on one finger the amount of time literally yeah exactly I can count like I think one time I used to be surrounded by steroids I had trainers working for me I'd see them all the time I'd want to look at them and whatever I can count one time where I saw actual pharmaceutical grade oh this is this is pharmaceutical grade steroids it was always it's always black market the best that you could get is veterinary grade which still isn't that fucking awesome and it's usually especially nowadays it's what they'll do is they'll get bulk powder from China some dude mixes it at home and then he prints his own label sticks it on the bottle and then you take it and it's you don't know how clean it is you don't know what's in it and you're injecting that into your muscle and so you get a lot it's very I'll tell you what right now if you do a few cycles of steroids the odds that you'll get an infection or you'll have to deal with what they'll call like what do they call it like steroid fever or you know test flu test flu or whatever that's an infection dude it ain't normal they joke around it they joke around about it like it's normal like oh I got test flu from my test but then it goes away after a couple days your body's fighting an infection that you're doing your body so that's the biggest fear I would have on that it seems like the best place to go you know is Dubai from what we've heard speculation wise in terms of quality and what not they're just getting the prescription high quality stuff you can do that here too you could have a really good connection if I could go back in like the perfect world right and let's say I'm going I'm going to do them still right is I learned like you said had all the growth through my 20s and understood all that without doing them and then actually introduced them into my life into my 30s when actually my normal testosterone levels are starting to dip naturally like I think to have learned all the programming training dieting got all that underneath me and all the years too because that's what matters muscle maturity is a big deal too I didn't even think about that and how important that is like and we all know this look right I can tell like a a boy's body versus a man's body like you can just see somebody who has time under the iron somebody who has been lifting weights for 10 plus years it just looks different they look hard the muscles look harder they look more separated yes versus kind of like you see this especially on women women in particular you see like you know a 20-something-year-old get really ripped and muscular they don't have nearly the same amount of muscle maturity as a you know 35-year-old woman who does the same thing right right so I think again another waste of it by doing it in my early 20s my body is still growing and developing and I'm still turning into a man complete I mean really men don't really stop to like 25 years old like there was no reason for me to really to really take it then I didn't get the real benefits of it when I'd get lots of benefits from it is now into my you know mid-30s when you know that's about the time when men's testosterone naturally starts to dip from what they were in their 17 to 25 range then introducing something like you know synthetic testosterone oh man I mean that would have been amazing and my body would have responded differently I'd be able to still have a normal dose and probably feel incredible off of it from all the years of doing it correct so instead now like what a normal person would if someone was trying to do a cycle so like for me like bumping to 250 milligrams of testosterone in a week isn't like a huge thing to me like because half of that just gets me back up to normal so it's not like a huge bump yeah I don't know I feel you know like this topic whatever they want but whenever whenever somebody asks me if they should my advice is always like usually it's no like I don't think you should it's I mean if you're here's the thing if you're an athlete and you're getting paid lots of money and your livelihood depends on your performance oh that's a different question it's a return on investment it's a return on investment it didn't make sense I mean I don't I don't get angry with pro athletes taking anabolic because that's their job their job is to be extreme the steroids help them recover faster might even prevent injuries if they do it right you know then that kind of makes sense I mean well that wasn't somebody asked a question and we didn't pick it and it kind of falls and this one's you can kind of double up on the question is you know do we think there's any health benefits to taking testosterone if your testosterone is low then yes there is health benefits because there's health detriments from having low testosterone but we are treating them and not the cause so although you will get benefit from taking testosterone to bring you into normal ranges we're not addressing why you have low testosterone in the first place the biggest benefit you'll get will be from addressing your why you have those hormonal issues and speaking for men here's the thing yes men naturally start to decline in testosterone levels but boy does that change if you're fit healthy and you lift weights properly I mean then your testosterone levels stay high for a long time well naturally it'll naturally raise testosterone versus exogenous you know testosterone that sort of you know you're introducing back in I just feel like if you can squeeze as much as you can naturally then you know when it gets difficult and your body won't naturally produce it then look into alternatives I've had many I've had many clients male clients over the age of 50 who you know and I used to work in a you know the facility I owned was catered to a higher you know market in terms of you know like people who have you know lots of funds that they can you know spend on their health and fitness and so people would hire trainers they'd hire me and then it wasn't a problem if I told them hey you should get these tests and hormones and they'd go spend money and test things you know take a look at these things I've had many clients over the age of 50 and even over the age of 60 very dedicated they would lift weights they'd do what I tell them they ate right they got adequate fat and take all that stuff they get the hormones tested and they had testosterone levels that were excellent I mean I had I got a guy who I trained for a long time he's one of the fittest people I know he's 72 now he gets tested every single year as part of his physical and his testosterone levels are between 6 to 700 that's crazy that's awesome that's a good level for a 28 year old man a certain model right there that's three times me you know along those lines if I could another thing if I could go back again and I wish I would have done this so if you're 25 years or older I highly recommend this especially if you have not dabbled with steroids is actually find out where your your free test levels are naturally because the range is very high and this is how like some hormone therapists are really cool and some of them are dicks like and what I mean by that is like some guys I've had both types of doctors where one guy will test me and go oh well you're still close enough to the okay range that we're not going to put you on anything but okay range to him might be 300 to 400 but what if I was somebody who most of his 25 to 30 years was at the 900 you know 700 to 900 range well if I'm used to 700 to 900 and now my body's 300 even though I may still fall in kind of the normal range I'm significantly lower than what my body's used to so understanding what your normal range is and what that feels like for you I think is a smart thing for you to do as a young man and you're you know mid-20s to early 30s if you've never done that before I highly recommend doing that and the sooner the better like the younger you have it the closer to your prime of your testosterone levels to know what that looks like for you so that way if you do ever decide to get you know hormone replacement you have an idea of what feels good and healthy and normal for you and what that range is so you can actually and too much too much might not be good either I mean I remember what it was like when I was at my peak testosterone levels you 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