 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Burns, here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the Commission's weekly online event. Yes, we are a webinar. You can call us that. We will not be too offended by it. We do live every week. The show is free and open to anyone to watch. And if you're unable to join us in when we do the live show, you can join... watch all of the recordings on our archives on our website. The show is live every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. Central Time. We do a mixture of things here, presentations, interviews, book reviews, mini-train sessions. Basically, if it's library-related, we are happy and I want to have it on the show. And we do a mixture. We have guest speakers that come in and we have library commission staff that come in and do presentations. And this week we have a mixture of that. This week also is our monthly Tech Talk. Once a month, usually the last Wednesday of the month, we have our Tech Talk with Michael Sowers. Michael is our Technology Innovation Librarian here at the Nebraska Library Commission. And he comes on once a month to do more techy focused things, generally speaking. And tell us of any tech news since the last time he was here a month ago. And he brings in speakers and interviews and whatever, and he has done that today. I'll just hand it over to you guys to explain what's going on this morning. Great. Thanks, Christa. So, today's guest we actually have in the studio. This is Gaye, because they're remodeling or moving your office. Moving offices. So, good way to get out of the way. Marcia Dordi Baker, the Access Services Librarian at the Schmidt Law Library at UNL, is going to talk about a topic near and dear to my heart and one we've covered from other perspectives in the past. And a different perspective here today is somebody who does do some hiring too. So, something to think about. And how big is your digital footprints? What is your online presence like? So, Marcia, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and then I can take it away. Okay. Well, thank you for having me. Good morning, everybody. It's fun to be down here. This topic also is near and dear to my heart. It happened a couple of years ago. I was talking to some fellow librarians and we were just chatting about all the different places. How do you keep up and manage stuff? And kind of realize that nobody had really thought about that after we've been signing up for all these free accounts under the sun. And all of a sudden you realize, like, whoa, what's all out there and where am I? How do you train up the next generation of people? One was a media center specialist and she was like, you would not believe what kids post online. And so, this was kind of one of those conversations where all of a sudden it was like, you know, light bulb. What do we do? And so I've been paying attention to this topic. I've given this presentation to a variety of groups the last couple years in different formats. And it's a lot of fun because it's one of those where you're like, whoa, that is probably something we should do, something about, but what? So I have some best practices I'd like to suggest from the reading that I've done. But I also think it's an awareness issue as, you know, librarians and information science tech people are used to using the Internet, but we have a little bit more of an arms-length opinion of it where kids in high school and our college students have grown up with it that it's part of their lives and they don't always see some of the boundaries that are out there. So I'm hoping that today not only is an awareness for everybody who's using technology, but as, you know, information professionals will give us some things to think about as people are asking those questions or we're giving the opportunity to talk about it with students. So I have a Prezi. I'd like to do some slides with that, a couple of infographics I want to show. I am very open to questions. I love those questions. And go ahead and let Kristen know or if you want to talk as well, that's great. But we'll go ahead and get started. The first thing I'd like to do is just basically talk about what online presence is and then, like I said, do best practices short and sweet that way because it is a lot of content to think about. It's not one of those things that's necessarily easy or simple, but it's things that we need to be aware of. So go ahead and start the Prezi here. And yes, I'd like to use my keyboard. So how big is your digital footprint? And one of the things that this whole word keyword digital footprint, that's coming up a little bit more if you start doing some keyword searching and that kind of thing. A lot of people say managing online presence and I know there's other library groups that have done that. If you set as a keyword search, you're going to find it. Online presence gets kind of tied in with online presence management and online reputation management. But I like the idea of a digital footprint because we all have a digital footprint, whether we realize it or not. And it's one of those things that, like your footprint in the physical world, especially if you're somebody who recycles and you use your bags at the store and you try and live a smaller footprint, you realize that you do take up so much space. And the same thing happens in the digital world. You do take up more space than you expect. And as I mentioned earlier, some of us have been using technology for a long time and we'll get into some dates here in a little bit. And so there's more of you out there than you realize. And so what we need to think about is who are we online? What are we doing online? Privacy and setting some boundaries and then also the best practices. So the first thing I really want you to do is to Google yourself. And I know those of you that are listening, this is a screen, open a new tab, get your device out, your iPad or whatever, and go ahead and Google yourself and see what happens. Now that being said, don't just Google yourself. Use the other search engines that are out there and the other browsers and also do it besides being in your office. Do it at home, do it at the public library, do it on public Wi-Fi, because what's going to happen and this is a different conversation to do itself is filter bubbles. Your browser and your computer are starting to know you, scarily enough, and they're going to give you the results they think you want to see. So this is the results from my computer at work on my library's Wi-Fi. And I Googled myself, I put my name in quotes, Marcia Dory Baker in quotes. I do have three names. And so this is what I found. And interestingly enough for me, this made me very happy. The first thing that came up was my library faculty page. And then you're going to see the LibGuides, LinkedIn, Facebook, Flickr, and then there's a bunch of other ones. And then you see photos in there. Now the reason that the library faculty page made me very happy is I have worked really hard to explain to our faculty and why it's so important to have a really good faculty page. When I Google all of our faculty at the law school, this is the first hit that they get, which is really important to me because it's become their landing page. And from the faculty page, we have links to their publications in SSRN and in the UNL digital comments. We have links to Twitter. Half of our faculty are using Twitter. We have probably the highest amount of law faculty using Twitter out of many of the law schools out there. They're using other things such as Cali, which is a legal online tutorial option that they can create tutorials for their students. So we want to promote that. They have their classes, their research areas, publications. You name it. It's there on their faculty page. We know a lot of students are looking to see who is going to be teaching their classes. A lot of their colleagues in the field want to know what type of research they're doing. So that faculty page is really important. And having that show up first is really good. Next is LibGuides. You're going to find that just for our librarians, of course. That's not going to be a law faculty thing. LinkedIn's there. And then the picture. So for me, I was pleased with this. There was nothing embarrassing. There was nothing. I was like, whoa, I didn't know I was there. That takes a couple pages to get in to be like, oh, yeah, I remember when I signed up for that account. So not only do you Google yourselves, you also want to check the images. And the images, you can see there is just a preview here of a couple images for me. I think you, Michael, took some of these pictures from a conference. The black and white one, I think, maybe. In LA a couple years ago. So that's been a few years and they're still coming up just last week. So photos are going to be around forever. But check the images option when you go ahead and Google yourself. Because you're going to find some interesting things. And last fall in October, I gave this presentation to a group of law librarians. And so I told everybody, Google yourself. And you could hear everybody busily doing that in the room. And then all of a sudden, when I said, check the images, there was a shriek. And I was like, is everything OK? And this librarian said, yes, yes, everything's fine. I'll tell you after the fact. OK. And so we went on. And after the show or after the program, she came up to me. I'm like, is everything OK? That's the first time somebody shrieked when I said, check the images. And she said, yes, she said, but what I didn't expect to find was a picture of me at the Vatican with a group. And she said, I'm not worried about this. I took this tour. I was with this group. We did the tour and stuff. They snapped our photo. But she said, I didn't realize that was going to be there with my name. And what had happened is she had helped with this group and signed the waiver form saying, yes, you can use my photo. And her name was attached to the group picture. And just because you think you're managing your online presence doesn't mean other people aren't as well. So that was kind of a first indication of, wow, this is something to be aware of. Another person came up after that and said, our son's school media center specialist told all the kids, do not have any pictures taken of you with a red solo cup because of the implication of what that might mean. And I was like, wow, I didn't even think about that. But way to go, media center specialist talking to your kids in high school about thinking and being proactive about what is out there and the environment that you're going to be in and those photos that are going to be taken. If you're in Facebook, usually it'll say somebody's tagged you in a photo. But if you've signed the release form, if you've given permission for them to use your photos and that kind of thing in their online publications, you could appear in places that you didn't expect. Not necessarily bad places or anything wrong with it, but you're going to be out there and you've lost some control over here. What are you thinking? Well, two things. But I guess the red solo cup, I guess, at what point is it too far? Too far, I agree. And you're obsessing about people use red solo cups at family reunion techniques. I know. I mean, it doesn't mean you're doing something bad. I mean, at what point is it you're too concerned? Yeah. No, and I agree with you. And I thought you're talking about teenagers. Teenagers. No, you're right. But I also have, I control what I'm like out there. And I've said this before. You will find pictures of me online. You'll find stuff about me that is both personal and professional. You will find pictures of me. I am an adult with a drink too. Now, you won't find any pictures of me like naked dancing on the bar. So you do control what's out there to whatever level is your comfort level. And I agree. I think how much is too much control over an image. And I did that. But I do think it was a good way to really capture teenagers' attention. And if that's what she was going for, then I applaud her for that. I think that's good. You're making them think. Making them think is a good thing. And some people are going to be like, well, I'm going to get as many pictures with cops as I can. And other people are going to be like, big deal. So what? But like I said, if it starts the conversation, to me, that's important. And that's kind of what this is when you Google yourself, see what's out there. Now, you're not going to really find any personal stuff. And we're going to talk about personal versus public or the professional versus the private person online. Because I don't post that. There's places I purposely don't join or post to because I don't want that out there. I really work to just have a professional image online. And that's what I look at. Now, just as a disclosure, I do tend to Google myself on a regular basis. I've set up Google Alerts for a lot of things at the law school, the law library, and myself. Because it's easy to use me as a guinea pig. And it's not so stockish. Just made a little obsessive compulsive. Self-stocking. Self-stocking. But it works. Because then you can see what's out there and you can monitor. And the other thing is it also gives you an awareness issue of what's happening. And so don't do it all the time. But on a regular basis would be good. You mentioned not just using Google. I would also say Google yourself but sign out of your account first. Yes. That way you're getting a less of the filter bubble. And it's kind of a cleaner search. Yeah, clear your cookies and all that kind of stuff. And that's why I suggest using Wi-Fi at the library or at Starbucks or some other place. And somebody else's device. I mean, try somebody else's or borrow their computer and Google yourself and see what happens. So what sites are coming up on the first page? That first top, or that top 10 hits, that's going to be a big deal. Go to the second page and see what's there. Are you okay with this? And now we all give ourselves enough grace and we'll be like, oh, that's all right. I kind of get that. But if this was somebody else, how would you feel about that? That kind of thing. And then is this information appropriate and is it accurate? If you're going to have your colleagues look at this, if people are Googling you, because we all Google each other, let's be honest here, anytime you're interested in something, you just Google it or you search engine it, how would you feel if you saw these results coming up about somebody else? If you're job searching, is this what you want employers to see? And if you're looking to be a good candidate, do you want to explain some of the stuff in a job interview? And I know that that happens. They say, well, we saw this online, can you explain that? So definitely pay attention to that kind of thing. And that's the other reason I do this presentation is I have law students that I supervise that have come out of undergrad and then they're going into law school and it's like, okay, I have three years to become a professional and I'm going to start looking for jobs and clerking. Oh boy, there's a lot of stuff out there. And so it's the idea of cleaning yourself. I had a friend of mine recently, a professional colleague, email me and said, hey, you took this picture of me at conference four or five years ago. I wasn't feeling really well that day. It wasn't a bad photo, but he wasn't looking the best he could. And he's like, could you take that down? I recently got divorced on dating again. And your photo comes up when someone Googles me. And I went, sure, I'll take that down. So it's not just job hunting in some cases. It's not just job hunting. And that's good. Thank you for mentioning that. You can find stuff out there that you don't like. There's the panic mode, but it's all the other stages of anything else. Contact the person who posted it and ask if they would remove it. For most people, they will. I know. And it's okay. I mean, there's nothing wrong with asking. And that would be the first place to start. So what I have here on the screen, and this is going to be, this link is in the resources at the end. This is the digital you. Now it's a little dated. It's from 2012. But what I like about this infographic is it really talks about who you are online and how we're using the Internet and that kind of thing. So I want to scroll down. You are searched. And I don't know if this is going to show up really good. This is right here. But in the first half of 2012, people search engines were used over 240 million times to find information about individuals. And that doesn't include the searches done for individuals on Google Bing or social networks. So we have a ton of people that are searching for people. I mean, it used to be you would maybe call somebody or you'd see somebody be like, hey, you know, so-and-so. You don't even bother doing that anymore. You just search for people. No big deal. Now, that is a huge search. But I want to also mention this little stat up here. 82% of children have an online presence before the age of two. That's kind of scary. I mean, how many of those Facebook photos do you see of kids in utero? I mean, we have kids that have an online presence and they're not even here to participate on their online presence. So sometimes people ask, well, how long is it going to take for this to get figured out? Well, honestly, until our first president is somebody who has been online their entire life, things aren't going to change. Because what's appropriate now and what we're OK with people knowing is different. In 10, 15 years, you know, I'm thinking, like, what, maybe the 2024 election at the earliest, that's when things are going to change. And we're going to have to have a new sense of OK with what's out there online. Because privacy is going to become a commodity and you're not going to be able to... You can't use all the stuff that's out there against people because everybody's going to have something. All those skeletons are going to be exposed. And so it's really going to change how we view each other and information and that kind of thing. Just making a note of Jeff Jarvis from CUNY has a term called mutually assured humiliation. Yeah. So eventually everybody will have something online that they don't want anyone to see and it just washes out. Yeah, at some point that's really how it's going to be. But until then, we are going to have this generational kind of battle lines. So to speak on what's appropriate and what's not appropriate. Like I said earlier, we all have kind of an arms length issue of technology because we didn't have a childhood with technology. But if you've always grown up with technology... I mean everybody's single kid who goes up to any screen out there and tries to swipe it to make it work. I mean that's just a natural occurrence for little kids anymore where for us we're looking at like, dude, you can't swipe that. That's an old TV, whatever. But for them everything should be something you can swipe. So things are going to change. It's just the evolution is going to take a little bit longer. The other thing I want to talk about here is I know that some of the people that are listening, you're a librarian, you're already in school, or I'm sorry, you're already on the job and you're a professional stuff. But we do have people that we're helping every day that are trying to get into school or they're trying to get a job. And this I found was interesting. It's from 2012. Like I said, 70% of colleges say candidates Facebook profile is a priority in the admissions process. And that's kind of scary if you think you've only been on Facebook a couple of years and already you're being held in account of what's there. That is something that's interesting. Go ahead. Well, I was just reading a very interesting article on that particular issue in that a student didn't get into a college because of how they presented themselves on Facebook. And I want to phrase all this carefully to get it right. But because it was kind of like on Facebook he was presenting himself more as like gangsta. But he was a straight A perfectly well-behaved student because the kids in the neighborhood is who he was marketing to on Facebook to show how he was. But that's not what he was really like in real life. So it was more of he was presenting what the college saw as negative to be more of as a defense mechanism for his neighborhood as opposed to where he was really trying to get to in school. And I'm not saying right wrong or otherwise. It's just it can get very complicated very quickly. It can. Well, and that's an interesting thing about your online presence and why it's important to think about it because it's working for you 24-7. I mean, you're in bed, you're at work, you're at school, and it is still working for you. I mean, one of the things to remember that the stuff you're doing late at night and you're posting online, it doesn't matter if it's Twitter or Facebook or any other social network, that's going to be breaking news to people in other parts of the country. So if you're looking to move elsewhere or you're looking to build connections in a very global economy, you really need to pay attention to that. And if you're trying to make friends in the neighborhood but you've got people outside the neighborhood who are looking to hire you or let you into school, that can make a difference. Now this stat here is probably higher now about 15 percent of law schools and 14 percent of medical schools screen applicants social profiles. And that's kind of scary. I mean, that's getting into grad school. That's when you finally know what you want to do with yourself when you grow up, so to speak. And that makes a difference. I mean, you know, you put a lot of time and effort into undergrad and then you can blow it by what you posted online. So that's kind of something to be aware of. Like I said, I really like this infograph. There's a lot of data on here. There's a ton of it. So please take a look at it and see what's out there. So let's go back. Do we have any questions or can we move on? Yeah. All right. Do you have any questions? Wait. I just did. Sorry. I lied. The digital U matters for sports too at all levels of competition. That's true. Yeah. And really, technology is part of our life. I have some dates that I find of interest, but the iPhone, and this is one of those like when you're talking to people, raise your hand if you have an iPhone and all the hands in the room go up. iPhone came out in, yeah, 2007. And think of how incorporated it is into people's lives. I mean, they take it to bed. They take it to the bathroom. It goes to school with you, to church with you, shopping with you. I mean, that is part of so many people's lives. It's always there. So this isn't going to be going away. We have technology for the long run. So OK. So then what exactly is online presence? And we've talked about what digital footprint kind of is and what online presence is and what does that mean? Well, according to Wikipedia, and I do like Wikipedia, it defines managing online presence as presenting and drawing traffic to personal or professional brand online. The collective online existence of a person or a business. And the reason I like to use that definition for one is it really gives us a good idea of what you're doing. You're presenting and you're drawing traffic to your brand and you are a brand, whether you realize it or not. And it's also the collective online existence of a person. So this is you online. And while we're all here in this physical world doing something like the radio show right now or listening elsewhere, your online presence is working for you. And if you have a LinkedIn profile, you get a pretty good sense of that because it'll flag it and say like, hey, these people have looked at your profile. And you're like, oh boy, people are actually looking at my profile or tell you your profile came up in this search with all these other people. So doing those keywords and adding to your skills really does make a difference. But it's kind of creepy at the same time to know that, you know, who are these people and they're looking at my profile. Sometimes I wonder why are you looking at my profile? But it could be, you know, a blog post that posted about LinkedIn profile. They're like, oh, that was interesting. Who is this person? Even though they have nothing to do with libraries or anything. And that, well, that's the kind of the hand in hand with the online presence is the reputation management. Since your online presence is working for you 24 or 7, you need to own it and you need to maintain that reputation because if you don't, somebody else is. And I don't think that's a, you know, a bold thing to say. We all know that. I mean, people are talking about us, whether we realize it or not. What is it? Your nose itches or your ear itches? Somebody's talking about you. And so the same thing is happening online. People are looking for information about you. They know you from a presentation or where you work. They're curious about, like you said, a blog post you posted or if you're using Twitter, they want to know more. They're going to check out your profile and that kind of thing. So, you know, this is the private versus the public or the personal versus the professional. One of the reasons why I want to do the personal versus the professional is, you know, here when we meet people, you say, who are you? You know, hi, I'm Marcia Dory Baker. Well, what do you do? I mean, that's like the first thing you ask somebody. What do you do? And so that really defines who you are and what you do. So I want to talk about that first. You, the professional and what you're going to find online. Well, professionally, I'm a librarian. You're going to see that. That's kind of the big, you know, keyword or the hashtag you put with my name. And so you're going to find my profile on LinkedIn on my faculty page. You're going to find it on the service work I do, the committees I belong to, the membership. So, ALA, NLA, Nebraska Library Association, MPLA, and then Law Library World. You've got mall and double A double L. So I'm there on those websites and those circles as well. That kind of defines me as a professional. Now, for other people, it's going to be library, but then maybe you were teacher or maybe you've migrated from I.T. to library or, you know, the case of where I work, you know, maybe they were a lawyer and then became a librarian. So it's going to be different for everybody, but you kind of need to think who you are. Now, the reason I use this picture is you remember the first time you were at the grocery store as a kid and you saw your teacher in the store and you were like, whoa, miss so-and-so doesn't live at the school. And it's a shocker, right? You're like, oh my goodness, they're actually here. Well, that's kind of how it is online. You know, you look at somebody and you're like, whoa, I didn't know they were involved with that. And it kind of changes your appearance or your perception of them just by seeing everything that they are attached to. So when you look at yourself, you, the person, the private person, you know, what comes up? Where are you at? What areas do you occupy? For many people, it's Facebook. I think pretty much everybody's on Facebook except for my mom. And she just uses my Facebook to stalk everybody else. So there's that. Twitter. You know, the interesting thing about, you know, Twitter and blogs and that kind of thing, I use Twitter all the time. I'm on it, but you're not going to find me, Marcia Daugherty Baker on Twitter, because I manage my library's Twitter feed. So I'm using it quite a bit, following a lot of people, but it's not me. So that's one thing to think about that gray area that you occupy. But blogs, are you using WordPress? Are you using, you know, stuff like Tumblr? Are you using Pinterest, Instagram, that kind of thing? And then your religious affiliations and your service groups that you are. You know, your church or, you know, maybe your rotary, that kind of thing. You know, those places that you might be. And then hobbies. There's a lot of hobby groups that have active online presence. And anytime you've had to make a user name and password for something, you have an online profile. So there's the ability there to see what's going on. So where, this is always the big question that I like to ask during these sessions. And I'll preface with, you know, last year or so I've really thought about it from my perspective in that. I have my blog. Yes, I post professional stuff. Yes, I post personal stuff. Most of that stuff automatically gets cross posted to Twitter and Facebook or whatever. But then, you know, if I'm posting a Muppet video that has pretty much absolutely nothing to do with libraries, I uncheck the box that says send it to LinkedIn. Because I kind of say, let's just try to keep just the professional stuff to LinkedIn. Though sometimes the Muppet videos will sneak in because I forget to uncheck the box. But I don't try to delineate too much between, you know, my outside of work life and my work life. I've kind of amalgamated it and people will question me about that. I'll say, but yeah, but you aren't aware of all the stuff in my personal life. I don't put online. I mean, you know, so there is more to me than you see, but I am generally living in public. You online seem to be very like, I'm sticking to the professional stuff. Yeah. Do you have a personal, have you separated it or you just said online, I'm going to be just professional and that's where I am. Or do you, because I know people who try to run two separate lives online and I can't believe how, I don't know. It's hard. Yeah. There's a hell of a lot of work to go into that. I would say I haven't like made a firm and solid one. Like I'm going to do this and not that. I just feel like professionally I do enough online that when it comes to me, the person there's just some stuff. I'm like, I'm tired. I'm already doing all this stuff all day. I don't feel like adding more. Okay. And so it's not that I'm, you know, worried about anything or, you know, I don't want to participate. I would just say I've chosen to do a few things and just do them really well and run them out as long as I can. Now on Facebook, that's where you'd see more of a prospect becoming a professional on the private. Now with LinkedIn, that's where I'm definitely professional. That's where when students want to connect with me and I tell the people I supervise, you know, I will not be friends with you on Facebook. If I'm signing your time sheet, if I'm hiring you, I'm not going to friend you on Facebook. And I won't accept friend requests. But I will connect with you on LinkedIn because that implies that I would recommend you for a job. And as your supervisor, I feel that that's completely programmed today. And I've written the recommendations for people on LinkedIn and that kind of thing. So that's, I guess that would be the place where I definitely am always professional when I try to connect with in my fill to the other people. Facebook, yeah, you know, I've tried. And I think that's just one where, you know, usually what happens, and I think everybody does this with Facebook, you probably are accepting a lot of friends requests. And all of a sudden you look at your number and you're like, and you go in and you probably clean it up a little bit. And I think that's really normal. I'm doing it for one of those. Yeah, most people are okay with that, you know. But that's a good question. I mean, I've had faculty ask, you know, listen, I have, I'm getting friends requests from students. You know, how do you, what do you do? How do you actually, you know, put it in their syllabus? You know, I won't find people on Facebook. So I'm just flat out stated as a policy. I, you know, especially in law school, I think it's appropriate to say, you know, LinkedIn is the place to be to make that connection because if that professor would give a recommendation to that student for a clerkship or a job, it seems entirely appropriate to connect with them on LinkedIn. And at the same time, they're only going to be in law school for three years and then they're moving on. So you're building your connections, which is always a good thing. But yeah, that's that really weird gray area. I think everybody has to make that choice, which why you need to know about online presence. I mean, if you don't know what's out there, you don't know how to draw the lines and what to do. So, but like some of it's just time suckage. I mean, I just know I'd be on the computer all the time, which would be fun. But, you know, yeah, you have to set some boundaries. Sure. So, all right. Well, I hope everybody can see this. It's one of my favorite movies. If you haven't seen Office Space, you need to watch it. It's cool, but it's good. So the boss, for those of you who haven't seen it, is just a jerk and is always wanting extra from his employees. And he says, you know, he spent the last 20 minutes checking Facebook and Twitter. And of course, employees like, yeah, but you missed the hour I spent updating my resume. The reason I like this is the fact that both of them know they're online and they're not doing work. And I think that's pretty obvious. And any boss who thinks everybody's only doing work online or only doing work when they're at work, I mean, look at more madness. Productivity's probably down, but it's really building. It's comradery. Except for the state where they have completely blocked anything vaguely related to sports. Here in Nebraska, if you're a state worker, every year in March, you get an email telling you that all sports related sites with streaming anything are blocked. Some without streaming just because you might check scores. I mean, it's just blocked. Wow. You know, and I have this conversation with my students. You're working. You need to be working. And that doesn't mean you can watch streaming video. But what I like about this is the fact that everybody knows we're all doing stuff online. The employee, though, what's important to him is the fact he's updating his skills. Bosses seem to think that everybody's just goofing around. But the fact of the matter is all of these different social networks really improve our relationship with our coworkers and our friends. And they make us a better employee in the long run. The productivity is going to be there because you became aware of what's going on. You're paying attention to things online. There's so much stuff I get from Twitter that I use all the time. I mean, that's the first place I go for news anymore. It's not seen in. It's Twitter. For me, in this case, my boss, if someone's supervisor said it to me, I'd be like, yeah, I know. I run and monitor three or four pages on Facebook that are related to the library commissions. And we have three Twitter accounts in the library commissions. So, yeah. Yeah, three. Yeah. Oh, and I agree with you. That's the same thing when they're on Facebook all the time. That you're going to be seeing personal things as well. But yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, I manage my library's Facebook page and our Twitter page and a couple other things. And yeah. So don't harp on me for being on social media when that's my job. That's too high for me. Right. Yeah. I mean, come on. And I might find somebody for the show. That's right. Yeah. I do have a question that came in just before you switched this about LinkedIn. And this would actually, I think, apply to any social network and I guess it's going to vary. Should you accept invitations on LinkedIn to connect with people you don't know and have never met? I get them all the time. Yeah. And that. Go ahead. I don't know. We may all have different answers. It's going to depend. I get requests for on LinkedIn and Facebook and other places from lots of people that I don't know and never heard of. And I do the library anything and I research them. I see who is this? Is there a reason they're contacting me? Is there a librarian at Sonzo Library in Kansas? And I've just never heard of them. Then maybe I'll say, yeah, you're a colleague in my field just because I've never heard of you doesn't mean that's a bad thing. You've obviously heard of me somehow. I found me somewhere. So sure. If there's just some random person, I don't have a clue and can't figure out why they sent it to me. Then no, I just declined it. Because I can't tell why you're contacting me. I don't see anything in your profile that explains this. There are cases and there's people out there and he's talking about how you have so many friends, friend collectors on all these social networks that just will try and friend anyone and don't care who you are and you don't care who they are and I just don't like that kind of thing. And there's also creepy people out there. That's a whole nother issue. Stop her type people. So that's what I do. I agree with you. I feel the same way. And I know this as a person who's new to the field. I mean, I don't have a JD but I work in a law library. That building those connections for me is really important. So the techie people, the people that do the same things as me, I've really tried to build those connections to learn more and to get to know people. And so I will put in friends request. If I work with somebody on a project, I'll put in a LinkedIn request to connect with them. The only time I would do that on Facebook is if that's the only way we can connect for a conference presentation or something. But for the most part, I use LinkedIn for my professional connections. There are people though that I'm like, who are you? I agree. You search them and that kind of thing. I think it's similar. I just thought of when it's networking that you've always done for years and years. And in the past, you may have met strangers at meetings or conferences and exchange business cards. It's the same thing, but you're doing it now online. Now that you had the person go, I'm going to send you a request. Don't freak out. I'm not a stalker. I've had that at conferences. I have a common name. A lot of people have my name. I'm going to send you a request. It is me. I'd say it varies on Facebook because if I friend them back, I'm going to get what they're posting in their newsfeed. I tend to be a little more picky, but I don't necessarily have to know them. On LinkedIn, I started out with, I need to know you. You are my professional network. But then when I started feeding my blog into LinkedIn, I started getting more people I don't know oddball because people would see my posting. Oh, maybe I want to, you know, there's the obvious spam. I'll admit as male, the creep factor is usually less of an issue. Perfectly, it's a valid issue, just less from my perspective. And if you tend to be a library, sure, because in LinkedIn, I guess, I don't necessarily suddenly start getting a flood of what they're posting. And I've gotten some weird ones. Oh, I'll get the, you know, I'm a self-published author. Oh, you're a librarian. Yeah, no, ignore. But so it feels... I mostly get a lot of Twitter following, which I don't care. You can follow me. From authors. Authors, I think a lot of them are just seeing the word librarian and figure, oh, yeah, you'll buy my book. You'll get my book in your library. And I never follow any of them. They're happy to follow me if they want to. If I read them all. But that seems to be a thing that they are trying to connect with libraries by following anyone that has the word librarian in there. And in some cases from LinkedIn, I've gotten speaking gigs. So, you know, I do kind of, you know, I have a secondary potential reason to make those connections. Well, and I think it goes back to who you are or where you are in your professional world. You know, for my students that, when they ask me questions like this, you know, they're new. I mean, they've been undergraduates. They might not have a work experience. They're looking to find a job or to clerk and that kind of thing. So they're really about building a network because it's who you know and how you can kind of say, yeah, I'll recommend this person. They work for me, even if they're a student worker at the library. You know, so that's going to be a little bit different. But if you've been in the field as a professional for a while, I think you can be maybe a little bit more picky over who you're going to connect with on some of these things because you know, okay, here's where I want my career to go or here's the people I want to connect with or work with or where I want to speak. And being a little bit more proactive and accepting those or in asking for connections, that really helps. You know, because once again, it's about you, the person. I mean, even though we have all this technology that lets us engage and communicate with each other, it still comes back to you, the person that's going to have to do all the work. And so you need to make sure it is working for you. One of the things I'd say for kind of best practices on how to handle, you know, managing your online presence is the first thing I tell my students, pick a name. You know, whatever name is on your diploma, if that's a professional name, you're going to go by it and that's what you use for those professional ones. For your student profiles, for your resume, most people still have a print resume and that's a good place to start because you can collect all the data that's on you. Online profile, that kind of thing, use it. And I do have students who get concerned because they're like, listen, I Googled my name, like you said, and there's people with a record and that's not me and I need to get a job and what do I do? You know, that's what I say, well, you do use the name you were given at birth. I mean, my goodness, if that's you, if that's on all of your hiring documents, because I'm somebody who hires and I have to look at, you know, social security card and passport and that kind of stuff, if that's the you that you're going to be as a professional, start using that name and start building that online profile as a professional. That poor Michael Sauer is the professional soccer player. He really does not come up nearly as much as I do as you had soccer. You know, and then also the appropriate profile picture. I mean, I use my faculty picture that I have on my LinkedIn profile and any of my professional stuff, because- Consistency. Yeah, it's a headshot. It's consistent. That's kind of my professional brand and then I use something different for Facebook and the other stuff because me as the person, you know, the private person is different than the professional one, but you know, give a decent headshot and use it and use that for everything. And when you change one, then you change all of those other professional profiles. I heard a communication speaker and she said she does it once a year or every other year. Whenever they have to do new headshots, that's when she goes through and she changes all of her profiles to match that headshot. And you keep saying headshot. You advocate not picking a flower or- I hate that. I absolutely hate it when people have a professional profile picture and it's a puppy or a flower or a landscape. I'm like, seriously, dude? How? For their kid. For their kid. I mean, come on, be a professional. If you're going to be walking in my library and I have to greet you for an interview and I don't know how you- what you look like. It's really hard because you're not giving me- I mean, I'm not saying, you know, we have to- to see everybody before we talk to them, but it's really hard for me to greet you and make you feel welcome in my library as a speaker or as a guest or as a candidate if I don't know what you look like. And I just know you're going to show up at some point in time. So yes, professionally, I would say- and you know what? Also, make sure it's a current picture. I cannot tell you how many people I have met that I'm looking at a picture from 15 years ago. And that's not cool. So you know what? If you're the professional, do that. And then I would say to find yourself. Start writing your mission or your bio or your introduction. You know, a lot of people, as you speak, they'll say, you know, you have an introduction. Can I have your introduction, please? And start writing that now. And it can be key words, like I said, or hashtag or whatever you want to use to define yourself, but start doing that because that's going to help you. And the best way to write a bio is when people say, you know, who are you and what do you do? Just start getting that down on paper and start listing that so that you have it there. But also highlight your skills. It's one thing to say you're a librarian, but you know, my title is Access Services Librarian. What does that mean? It depends upon where you are. In a law library, it's different than an academic library. So what does that exactly mean? And so then I need to sit down and define what that is. And then the next thing would be connecting with the professionals in your field, like you said, network. And, you know, that could be linked in. If you need to build that network, it could be following people on Twitter and retweeting them. It could be, you know, making sure you have an up-to-date profile on a professional network, that kind of thing. But definitely do that. I know for AAAA, the American Association of Law Libraries, we, you know, you can blog into the website and create your profile. I did because I figured people are going to be there and they're going to be looking at me and I put in my professional hedgehog. Not a puppy. And, you know, you put that stuff in there so that people can find you. Because honestly, I would be more suspicious if I was looking for somebody to find anything. I mean, we kind of wonder, like, yeah, what's going on? There's nothing about this person that's kind of creepy. You know, I mean, I'd rather find questionable stuff than nothing. So, you know, that's the other thing to think about. It's kind of like having credit. You know, better, maybe bad credit than no credit. So, speak. And then think about what sites. I know people talk about the Big Three, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitter. I would also add Google Plus on there. Yeah. And then if you're an artist or a designer, you need to think about doing Pinterest or Instagram. A lot of people are using those to showcase their design. Or, you know, maybe even WordPress and customize what you can do for people. I'm a big advocate of the centralized location for yourself and then feed out from there. Yeah. I mean, you know, I've had my domain for well over a decade now and had websites before that. But it's probably 90% of what I post online goes there first and then feeds out. And then, you know, that improves the Google juice and it pulls it all back. And then I'm not creating 10 years worth of content on somebody else's website that goes poof tomorrow and all that content's gone. Now, some of that content could go away. And some of the content I posted 10 years ago on my own website is severely wrong and update. But it was right at the time when it's somewhere I control. You control. Yeah. And that's a good point. I mean, we're still living in the wild, wild west of the Internet. I mean, you know, we said iPhones have only been around since 2007, but Facebook came out 10 years ago in 2004. So think about all the content that Facebook now owns because anytime you post something, it's theirs. Versus, you know, you've had your website for 10 years. You own all the content that's on your website. So that's something to think about as you do think about where I want to be online. You know, what can you own? What belongs to you versus what are you giving other people access to? LinkedIn and MySpace came out in 2003. MySpace is pretty much gone. But LinkedIn is now... Still there. Yeah. I mean, it's still there, but MySpace is not someplace I would go to look, you know, for job connections, that kind of thing. LinkedIn. Van. Yeah. So, but, you know, two and five employers, screen candidates via social media. And 65% use social networks to screen for professionalism. That's what they're looking for. So, let me show you this here. Michael emailed this to me a couple of weeks or two ago. And the rise of social media and pre-employment candidate screening, statistics and trends. It's kind of a scary topic and headline. But the fact is, take a look at this, especially library sites students who are looking to get a job and undergrads. Because people are looking at you online. And I think for a while there, most people assume that old people don't know how to use the Internet, so nobody's going to find it. Well, you know, we all know how to use privacy settings and find stuff because we're librarians. So, I mean, it's like something library and it's kind of hard to do anymore. They're going to find it. But, you know, two and five employers use social media to screen candidates. And this is Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter. So, what you're posting there is always going to be available. I know that's happened to me. Just, I wasn't even job hunting. You know, and look at this one, culture. I mean, there's the whole likability factor. Just because somebody is qualified to do the job doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to fit into the environment. So that, you know, they're taking a look at this. A lot of good data on this one. I highly recommend it, especially to, you know, people who are looking to build their online presence and really be a professional. But, you know, also, if you're hiring, you know, this is true. And you can see that you're not the only one, I guess. Be the way to look at that. So, all right. So, moving on. So, we are all in this together. If any of you have watched Red Green, the Red Green show from Canada on public TV, you're going to recognize that. It's really true. As librarians, you know, this is our job. We need to know how to find information, how to use information. And that includes being aware of what's out there. One of the things that's been interesting about my job in the law libraries, I do a lot of technology for lawyers and that kind of thing. And the ethics and the qualifications have changed. And one of the things that's now expected of all lawyers is that they are aware of what's going on with technology and that they know how to use it. And I think as librarians, that is something that we've probably always done that we need to be reminded. Our job is to find information and know how to use information. And that means in any format that's out there. So one of the reasons why I like this old World War II poster, loose lips, loose lips might sink ships is that's true. You know, I would say loose posts. You're going to sink your job kind of thing. You really need to be aware of what's out there, what you're posting, and then know how to talk to the people you work with and your students and your users as they come in about what's happening. I'm not saying that we need to jump up on a soapbox and shout all of this stuff, but this really is part of being a good librarian is knowing what's out there and how to use it. And if you don't maintain your own online presence, it's really hard to help others. It's kind of like that walk the walk thing. So you need to know what's going on out there. You need to know how to handle your Facebook privacy settings so you can show other people too. You really need to have a LinkedIn profile, especially if you're in academics because your students and your faculty and the people you come in contact with, they've been told they need to have a librarian and you know how to do this thing. So there's an expectation there of who we are as professionals. But everything happens in real time. And I think that's probably the biggest change that we've had in the last couple years is when you hit post or submit or upload or whatever, it happens in real time. People are seeing it and you can't take that back. It's going to be on somebody's server and hopefully you can ask them to remove it and that kind of thing, but it's always going to be out there and it's important to think about, if this is something that you talk about in the office, it's probably okay to post. Like you said, Michael, you've kind of merged your online self as your professional and your personal self, but for some people, that's good filter. I have a co-worker that's what she says. If I would talk about it in my office, then I'm okay posting it. And that might be the way to take a look at it. We do talk about the buffets around here. Yeah, we talk about movies. Yeah, staff movies. We talk about movies and that kind of thing. But it's important to think about that because you're a direct reflection. Your online self is a direct reflection of you, the personal self. And I think my mom or somebody, when I was a kid, told me, even dirty windows will reflect light. And it's very true. It doesn't matter really who you are and what your online profile is, it is reflecting on you. I would suggest focus on a few and do it really well. Get started, know what you're doing and what else is out there. Because there's so many things. I need to keep track of that. I have resources for people. A lot of good stuff. I would like to highlight the TED Talk. If you have time, your online life, permanent as a tattoo. That is an excellent TED Talk. Basically, your online presence is like a tattoo. And even if you want to remove it, it's going to be painful. And then some of these other ones that are out here are really good resources depending upon what you're doing. You know, you really, you don't have to get your resumes and CDs anymore. Your online presence becomes your social resume. That's there. Building your online brand, you are a brand, whether you realize it or not, how you're managing your online reputation. And then there's a really good one out there by the outreach library. Don't get fired or sued. That's good. And then the graphics that I showed are also there. Do you want to take a look at those? All these links will be added to the delicious links that we put together for the show every week. So don't try to scribble them all down now. You don't have to really get them out there for you. I just saw Facebook post that was like, okay, do I really need to buy a really nice paper to print out my resume on anymore? You know, I mean, like, and it was like librarians in the job market and they're like, nobody, everybody wants it electronically anyways. You know, so you buy that really nice resume paper, the cream color, linen stuff, you know. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, most people are like, back up. But chances are you won't need it. Don't buy a lot. They're just PDFs. I mean, post them there and people really want to print if they can. The only other, and please, if you've got more questions, send them in. I've been kind of asking mine as we go through here. The other one, and this is going to be our book thing for those of us in Nebraska who participated in their Learning 2.0 program for April. It is now March. So, yes, April's book thing is going to be, It's Complicated by Dana Boyd. Are you familiar with Dana Boyd? I am. Yes. Her book is out. It's about the social life of network teams. And she's been working with teams for the last dozen of years. That is her book. And I've started reading it. You can get it free on her website where you can buy it. And it's taking what you talked about with what we should be telling teams is what teams are doing and what these teams actually think about what they're doing. And in a lot of cases, her point is that they're probably a lot more aware of the privacy issues than things that we think they are in a lot of cases. Her other thing is that we're looking at all these things they do online. And one of her central points is that's because we don't let them go to the mall and play outside anymore. So they're doing what we did in the mall and interacting with people one way and in semi-private, they're now doing it online. Interesting book. Let them go to the mall. No, because younger kids' lives have been so structured and filled and were overall aware of dangers. I'm not saying they never get allowed to go to the mall, but malls are putting in curfews and you can't be in the mall unless you're under 18 without a parent. Things like that. Whereas in the 80s, when we hung out in the mall, it was just nobody cared. But anyways, over generalization, it's a 200-page book. I'm trying to summarize it in 30 seconds. But anyway, it's a very interesting read. I'm part of the way through it myself now. Well, a book I did a book review for is that one by Dan Schwabbel up there. Why Online Presence Well Replace Your Resume. And he did a new book and I highly recommend it to anybody to read. I mean, I think he's really given this for Gen Y. It's Gen Y career and workplace advice and that kind of thing. But it was really good for me to read. I'm Gen X, just to be aware of what's going on and why all of this is boring. But I understand people are going to be supervising and I work for them. But I would recommend that because it's basically called promote yourself. And the whole book is about how you become a good candidate, what you need to do. So I would recommend that kind of thing as well, just to be aware of. And then there's one out there called LOL. And it's a book by a young man who got in trouble for building a website. It's kind of an online bullying website, not like a press home or anything. But it's kind of something like that. And part of his penance, so to speak, was to write this book about being a good digital citizen. And so I'll give the link to that one as well. It's a good read talking about who we are as people who are going to be online. Let me try taking this from a completely different point of view. Because I mean, obviously, I'm an outlier in that I'm looking for speaking gigs. And maybe next week, if the right job came along, I would consider changing, even though I'm perfectly comfortable and happy here. I'm a 50-something librarian. I've been at the library for 20, 30 years. I'm perfectly happy there. And yeah, I have a Facebook account. How much of this do I really need to care about? I would say, and I think you bring up a really good point. And I'm going to step out and say, you need to care about it a lot. Because another one of the areas of my research is digital assets after death. And basically the idea of that once you die, your online presence goes on living. And anybody who's lost family, close friends and that kind of thing, you still see their Facebook profile and you're still friends with them and they still follow you on Twitter and that kind of thing. It's kind of awkward and it's very, yes, that's it. And it's very weird. And so I would suggest that it is going to matter because some of the things that you have done online, people aren't going to know about. And any time you have created a username and a password and you have an account, somebody's going to have to deal with that. And that's not just social media. That's not going to be Facebook and your website, LinkedIn. Now, your website's a good example of why people need to be aware because if you're getting ad revenue, I don't know if that's an option. Not at the moment. Okay, but that's something that comes up if you have a website that's generating ad revenue, but online banking. If you have an Amazon account, if you have an eBay account where you're making money, you're doing e-commerce, that kind of thing, people need to take care of that. Family, next of kin, can get in trouble for getting into your online accounts to try and close them out because most social media sites will expire when the person dies. We're not at the point though where a death certificate triggers those void, but people are still accessing them. They're still getting in to do things. They might not have been memorialized, but you can have serious charges against people who are trying to help out when somebody has died because they're accessing internet websites when they're not supposed to. That's unauthorized. So that becomes a bigger deal where you say, no, it doesn't really matter. I'm going to be dead and gone big deal. But think about Amazon or think about Netflix. I mean, who pays your Netflix bill and your family wants to get on and they want to change the username and password and Netflix is going to say, no, only the person that created this account can do that. Well, two weeks ago, we had Jasmine on and talking about passwords and security and things like that. And we kind of got into the conversation of who has access to your passwords? How do you pass along your passwords when you die? And Google has an option of, if I haven't logged in, it will automatically check with me and send an email or I suggest it. As I think Corey Doctor have suggested, split your password, your master password in half, half to your lawyer, half to your spouse or whatever, and then that way if you died it. But now you're saying, so then if my wife then has my password after my death and tries to go in to shut the account down, she could get in trouble. Potential. I think those are cases where then what you do before you try and do that, contact the website itself, contact outside of the account, contact Facebook somehow and it's because there's lots of cases out there, your stories of someone died and we're trying to do something with their account with families and they're having problems or not. They want to shut it down or they want to make it be memorialized. And Facebook will do that. They will freeze an account in the same memorial to a person with those recent, the 10-year videos that Facebook did for people. First they worry about it. They say, oh yes, for dead people, people have passed on. We will create one of those for them for the family. So from outside of the account, contact that company separately and find out what do I do now that so-and-so my husband and my wife would have passed on. And they by now would have some sort of information or person. Most of those cases I've heard though, the family didn't know the password. Didn't know the password. The one that started it all was back in 2004. There was a young man. He was serving in Middle East and he was killed in action. And he and his father had corresponded via email, much like correspondence has been between family and sons at war for a long time. And his dad wanted to finish this memorial to a son by getting the emails from Yahoo so that they could create this memorial. And he didn't know his son's password. He didn't get in the email contact with Yahoo. And Yahoo said, no, you can't get in. The user is dead. Nobody else can access the account. That's in the fine print, the terms of agreement, that kind of thing that he checked on. The only person who can access this account is the user. When the user is dead, the account is inactive, right? So it actually went to court. And finally, Yahoo released all of the outgoing messages to this man's son had sent, but none of them received with the understanding that, well, somebody sent him something they might not want anybody to know. Right, yeah. And so that was back in 2004. So we've had a good 10 years of people dying online. And I think the last task, we're like, there's hundreds of people at Diabra Day that have Facebook profiles. How do we handle this? This is a growing issue. Not only do we have little kids who have an online presence before they're born, we have people who are dying. And they have 20 years of online presence that we need to work through. And as it continues, it's going to be greater. But anytime it needs to be bigger, everything needs to figure out. Because if you have created a user in the password, if you have a credit card number attached to it, you have a digital footprint, whether you realize it or not. Which wins my will or will a testament or their terms of service. And it is. I mean, it's scary. There's a lot of, like I said, this is the research area I've had for a couple of years. Because there's a lot of people who don't know what do we do. If you're estate planning, how do you handle it? And everybody's told, change your passwords all the time. So you're constantly updating the passwords. How many free services do you join just to try and play? Most of those don't matter. But you think about bill pay, think about anything that's generating money, anything that's tied to a credit card. And honestly, anybody has stuff that they don't want their family to sleep. Delete it now. I wanted to go through files and find stuff and be like, whoa, it's another thing to do that. You know, so there's a lot of stuff that I think we assume that everything online is anonymous. That's not the case. These are password and credit card and you can be tracked. Wow. So yeah, bring the lawyers into the room and then it gets more complicated immediately. It gets more interesting. Oh, definitely. We do have a couple of last minute questions that came in here. It's a common question, but it's really two separate things. I think we did mention this already. And I'll show you the second part first. What do employers think about when they bring up your name online and it's someone who's definitely not you? I mean, we talked about before, get yourself a presence out there so that if they do find something that is someone who's been arrested or done something, you can say, no, see, that's not me. This is me over here. Because this person says there's at least one other person with my exact name and I can't really have a different name. It's going to come up. And I would hope by now employers understand that that happens. I mean, I do a search for myself and look in images and there's tons of other photos that are not of me. But there are the pictures that are me that are connected to me and my professional accounts. And hopefully an employer would be able to figure that out. Oh, this is that person. This other girl is this person, not the one that I'm talking to. I would hope that most employers would realize that you're going to do a location search along with that person. I mean, if your name is Joe Smith, you'd want to look for Joe Smith and Lincoln, Nebraska, right? And I mean, they should have that from your application where you currently live. And they are also going to have the other jobs that you've had. So it'd be easy to do a Joe Smith, Lincoln, Nebraska, Joe Smith, you know, please not New York City or something. But they should be able to narrow that down. And if they can't, you know, you kind of say, well, I mean, if my employer, this potential employer, can't figure out that, I mean, yeah. That's what I was going to actually say was like, if they can't figure out which one's me and not me, maybe I'll just withdraw my application to this job. And I've said in kind of a blunt way, but I think you've given me a way to say it a little less blunt when you mentioned the cultural fit. You know, if somebody doesn't want to hire me because of what I've put online and I put thought into what I've put online, I probably don't want to work there. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's, and so I think it's, if they're going to be that concerned over it and they've looked at me and they've looked at it. If they don't agree with any of your political views, then it's probably not going to be a comfortable post for me to work. Yeah, it helps you weed out the potential employers from the other side. But I think I can get away with saying that because I put thought over the years into what I know what, I pretty much know what's out there. Well, I think it depends upon the field you're going into too. I mean, honestly, librarianship is a rather small field and you get to know people. And I think, you know, it's pretty obvious that everybody's going to have an opinion, but it's about the job that you do. And being unique in this field is probably an asset. It's not a hindrance. We're in other fields that might not be the case. So it depends upon, you know, what are you going to do with the rest of your life? But yeah, honestly, they can't do a location search to marry you down. Or, you know, the other thing that I do, you know, I have at the top of my CD where there's my name, contact, title, that kind of thing, I put a link to my faculty page. So it's the first thing. I list my website. So that they can get to it. So I think if you really can't figure out it's me, at least here's the link to who I am online. But that's a good question. Yeah, the other thing is something interesting. I'm not sure how this would even, what if they find you in a genealogical website? This person says their full name is in genealogical database. Like birth and death. I'm not sure if this is their particular entry or is it like their name happens to be in a database and it's someone else? I think genealogical sites, you just have to disregard. Yeah, and because that's a different type of research. And some of that's going to come up, but I mean, you could do a background check easier then. Yeah, I can get a genealogical search. It's useful from there that we do a job, I would think, in a genealogical. Unless you're looking to see if they have family that works in place, age. I mean, you know, generally don't put your birth date on your resume for various reasons. I guess, you know, one of the concerns I'm having is if the only thing that comes up for you is a genealogical website, you need to do some work and get an online profile. Yeah. I mean, seriously, if that is the it, is a person who's in a genealogical database and I'd be concerned, like, who is this person? I mean, you should at least have something from school. Most schools will give you, you know, you can get in the newsletter, write something for that. Get a LinkedIn profile. You know, a job, there's gotta be some place that you can start building your profile so that there is something out there. You know, for anybody who might be thinking, you know, nobody's going to be looking for me. I'm kind of back to my scenario of older librarian. Just our, the Big Talk for Small Libraries conference that we've done, we've just heard about somebody doing something in some small town and have contacted them and said, hey, would you like to present at our conference? And that's someone who's probably, and I know this happens at least once or twice, has never thought anybody would ever be looking for them to do something like that or the show or something. And that's where, you know, having a minimal online presence, even though you don't think anybody will care, might help you out. Yeah, oh, I agree. I mean, the more, I mean, self-promotion you're your own brand. So you can be as big or as little as you want to, but honestly, be you and maintain control of your identity, you know, and that's the biggest thing. Generally, good advice, yeah. If you're not gonna do your own website, which is cool, then do like LinkedIn and get a profile out there so people can track you and find you and share your notices. All right, any other questions from the audience? No, and you covered everything, I think, right? So, Marcia, thank you very much. Always these topics give everybody plenty of things to think about. So what I'm gonna do real quick is I just got a couple of news items here. We're a little over an hour already, but I just wanna kind of point a few things out. If you are an e-book buyer and I'll just, these links will be in the show notes. I'm not gonna bring up all of these websites in the interest of time. If you have been buying books from Kindle or Barnes & Noble, check your email, check your spam folder. There have been some class action lawsuit settlements and you might have a credit sitting in. Three bucks. You got three bucks? I got nine something. Nine something and I generally don't buy e-books so I haven't gotten anything. Yeah. I got a lot of free books from there. Just announced yesterday, Facebook has bought a company called Oculus VR for two billion dollars. They make a head-mounted virtual reality display which I have not had a chance to play with but I will tell you, some people have told me it's quite amazing. Also on the e-book front, if you have ever bought from a company called Diesel e-books, they are going out of business, download your books by the end of the month and or else you will lose them. Bitcoin. Bitcoin, that money. I am working on trying to find somebody who can present well on what Bitcoin is. It's a virtual currency and I'm going to stop there. I understand it but I don't feel comfortable enough presenting on it. I'm working on a few leads there but the IRS has basically said that if you have any of that, it is real money and you have to pay taxes on it. So virtual money that you will own real taxes. So something you might want to pay attention to. And then just found out this morning, Amazon has released a new service that they're starting to roll out called Amazon Workspaces which is basically virtual desktops. I don't know if this has direct implications in most libraries but virtual desktops where you take any device, you log in, you get your desktop and your environment but Amazon runs the whole service, you don't have to run the servers themselves. So, coming up question. Yeah, no, the IRS, no, that's incorrect, sorry. If you said that, no, they said the opposite. It's not currency, it's property. It's property. Well, you still have to pay taxes on it. Right, sorry. As far as it would in relation to the IRS. Okay, property, not income, but still have to pay taxes on it, right, okay. All right, so thank you for that clarification. Yeah, I found that article like an hour and a half ago so I just wanted to throw that in there. So that's it for my news. So, Krista, you can wrap it all up. Okay, cool, all right, thank you very much. Everyone for attending, thank you, Michael and Marcia, the show has been recorded as usual so we'll be available soon, later today, with all the show notes and everything. So that's what I put up for this morning. I hope you join us next week when it is summer reading program time. Fizz Boom Read is the summer reading program theme. Yeah, for this year and Sally Snyder will be doing her regular, her annual update of book talks. That will be good for both the children's and a team theme for that. 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