 Okay cool so let me share my screen and what I'm going to kind of talk about is how we put this template together that I'm intending for folks running domains programs to be able to use. We can talk about how it may be useful, how you use it and also we can go into a little bit more about other ways to build community because I really want to kind of talk, get more into that discussion. The first thing I'll just kind of show here is what the heck this site template is. So it's pretty simple, it's just a web page with a form and all it does is you fill out the form and it would let your users of your domains program kind of showcase the work they're doing on your domain of one's own. So they can put a title in URL, they can upload a screenshot of their site, give it a category, put a little description in here of what the heck it is, put their name, you can optionally ask for their student or faculty or staff or their belonging to the institution and then I have the form set up to ask for an email and which you can just use if you need to contact them. But when they fill that out basically what happens is they make a post in WordPress for you very similar to a lot of the work that Alan has done with Splots but basically makes a post so that they don't have to log into WordPress and make a post themselves but formatted a specific way. So then you can go in and approve it and it will show up in the home page like this. And I'll go into more detail but you can see the categories, click on them, see the screenshot, the description, the URL. The template is supposed to be pretty simple to get started with and use. And so what I'm going to attempt to do is install this and kind of show you how you will get started using this if this is something you wanted to check out and talk about some of the details as I go through really quick. So I'm here on State University and I'm just going to install a new WordPress site and we'll give it the URL community site, how about that. And then I've got a template set up here called Domains Community Sites and we'll give it the title, State U Community and I'll install it and this is the best part of my demo where we all get to sit here and wait for this to install so that's pretty great. But it should install pretty quickly. What is Levene's law, doesn't it start with the demo? I think you're already in line with Levene's law. Yeah, I literally have that written down in my notes, start with the demo. So I've got questions already in there, is Gravity Forums taking the input? Yes. So I'm using Gravity Forums to do that and I'll talk a little bit more in detail about if you're unfamiliar with Gravity Forums, how that works and what to think about there. But here's my shiny new site that's empty and while I am kind of talking about how you customize this, I'm going to throw this URL in the chat here but also you'll see it on my screen the whole time but feel free to use the form on here and submit things if people want to. The site will go away later so eventually I'm going to delete it but feel free to test that out and see what that is like from the user experience but I'm going to go through and kind of talk about how you would customize this during that time. So if I log into the WordPress site here, it's pretty basic but there's really three major ways you would need to think about changing this site around. So the customizer to do theme stuff, I'm using a post-grid plugin to do the sorting of posts and display and the actual Gravity Form itself. And I will mention that if this is something you want on domains, you know you can request it, I'll talk more about that later but we do have a license for Gravity Forms that if you're a domain one zone school we can set this up for you so you would just let us know where you want it, you can drop it on your server. So as posts come in and we already got one in so that's cool, they come in pending so basically come in here, you can review it really quick and when it looks good to you all you have to do is hit publish on it. This can be configured in Gravity Forms so you can, if you didn't want that, if you didn't want to go in and you just want them to show right up on the site, you could do it that way but I have it configured, I think most people would probably like a pass at it, just make sure they're not getting spam and things like that. So yeah, by default they come in pending but you also can through the Gravity Forms interface kind of see a little bit more information than just the posts so I will mention here right on the dashboard there's a Gravity Forms widget and if you click on submit site from here you can actually go through and you'll see a nice summary of some of the metadata of what they've submitted so not only the title but the URL, the creator's name, their email address and their context if they picked one so again I have that set up as are you students, staff or faculty. So from here if you were to click on one of these entries you should see what they submitted, you got a quick link to go and edit the posts if you want to or publish it from there as well as viewing the posts from there as well. The nice thing about just using WordPress posts here too is that you can also like bulk approve things pretty easily so you've got a really easy way if you need to say you've got only one of these pending but say they were all pending you could go in do a bulk edit action in WordPress and just change the status from pending to published and then hit update and then bam you've approved all of them. So that is all I'm intending for that to be pretty easy to manage. You also, I also have the Gravity Forms set up automatically to email the administrator email of the site so as soon as you submit something whoever is listed on that admin account will get an email that can be changed in the form and I'll kind of show you where you would do that what email if you wanted to change that but you will get a notification and a link to in that email you get a nice link to hey here's this has been submitted click this link and you can go in and publish the post that makes it hopefully easier to manage kind of digging into more of the customization and how you would do that especially if you're not real familiar or not real comfortable I should say with or you just don't want to deal with doing this stuff in CSS I've tried to keep this easy to manage so if I go back to the dashboard I have a little widget in here that just goes right to the three places you would probably need to make customization so you can click on customize from here and I'm by default using a theme called Neve which is pretty customizable on its own and I'm kind of leveraging some of that to make these this form easy to manage so you can go in here and change your colors and you know change some of the site colors around you can change it flip it into dark mode I've made very a couple little tweaks to the form and the post grid to keep them readable whether you've got a light background or a dark background things like that you also in Neve can really one of the things I like about it is it's you can make the header look and layout however you want it there it's very customizable on that so you can kind of dig into that from here as as well in addition to that those basic changes because it's just using gravity forms to do all the work you could use a different theme you don't have to stick with this theme there's really nothing specific about Neve that is mandatory for the use of this so you could change to a different theme if you want okay so the other major customization place would be the post grid so if I go into the post grid plug in or click that handy link on the dashboard you can go in here and do things from changing like the even the type of grid I'm using this isotope layout which lets you kind of easily change between post categories to the colors of the buttons is all pretty changeable in here question I'm noticing from Ed I like the filter book filter buttons that is from the post grid that's where this is so that is not theme specific so you could change to a different theme and still keep those layout buttons nice thing is this this post grid plug in just uses a I believe it's just like a generic library called isotope that makes that sort like that kind of nice but you could go into the style page here and change button colors and text colors as much as you like okay the last me and probably the major customization point is the form itself and again that's whoops done visit here again you would do that pretty much mostly in gravity forms so I've got a handy link here but you can just go to the forms thing in gravity forms click on submit site is the name of the form and very forms pretty easy to use so for instance if you're using this and you're like yeah I don't really need to know if they're or I don't even care if they're students that for faculty you could easily go in here and just delete that field and that that is pretty easy to do and then you'd hit save on your form in this case I think I will save that change but you can you know do other things like maybe you want to change some of the descriptive text so I've got upload a screenshot of the site to show it off you just click on the screenshot question here and you change that description right in here you can also change how gravity forms creates the layout of the post so I have a very basic layout that just has the author and URL and the title or title and description that they put in but you could change that if you wanted to add maybe more questions to this form and get more into that you could totally add those questions to the body of the posts that get created so you can basically all you need to do is if you're in the form and gravity forms like I just was you just go up to settings and then post creation and here you edit a post creation feed in gravity form so I will edit this one and you can change every attribute of the post that creates so you can go in here and decide okay well it's going to be a post not a page you can change the status so that's how I'm setting it to pending or draft honestly I don't really remember why I picked pending over draft but the functionality is pretty similar but the the end result being when someone fills the form out they're going to get a post created and you have to go approve it but maybe you want them to automatically be on the site maybe you've put this whole site behind like SSO or something then you could set them to just be published immediately there is the yeah and here it gets into the actual meat of the post so I'm having it fill in the title for the post name I'm having it use the screenshot field of my form as the featured image and I am pulling in the what is the site for as a category so the nice thing about that is if someone is just getting started with this and they don't want to dig into gravity forms they can change our categories just by going to WordPress's own categories and adding one they don't really even have to go in here and change anything to do that I have in this basic version done some very simple markup for of classes and IDs so if you do want to do some more advanced customization with CSS you don't have to go through and update all of your old posts that already exists you can go through and do things like use the class of meta info and stuff like that to change the font or the color of certain things in the post that's available to you without having to go back and edit all your old posts then yeah and I'm currently not using tags for anything on this so I'm seeing a ton of good questions in the chat that I think actually now would be a good time to kind of mention so is there spam protection there is no spam protection a save for two things gravity forms does have some very basic spam protection built into it they call a honeypot feature which basically it's it's just checking for like a naive script that would submit the form the other spam protection would be the fact that you know entry posts don't get submitted to the front page you have to go and approve them individually there's also I do have comments turned on for these posts and that is something you can figure on the the gravity forms page here I think trying to remember yeah under discussion I have a lot of comments on so technically you could you could disable that you wouldn't have to worry about comments as well but that would just be the same as any WordPress site for or comments on these posts adding fields of the form is not likely to break anything for auto updates that is a question and is just because it's it's a pretty basic gravity form it you can pretty easily customize this as long as you do testing to make sure the post looks the way you want you should be good to go link checking there isn't any so this this question was curious about link checking for sites that folks take down yeah this doesn't have a way this template doesn't have a way to do that I would potentially run a link checker periodically on this because of course all of these posts link to the sites if you ran a link checker or a link checker plugin in WordPress you should get you should get an idea of what things people have submitted that don't exist anymore and then you'd have to clean those posts up that are no longer relevant yeah and I see a few folks are talking about better anti-spam in gravity forms and yeah I am pretty new to gravity forms I should mention I didn't at the start that most of this template is based off of work and I definitely need to shout this person out from my previous job I was at St. Norbert as an instructional technologist and we made a very similar site to this using ninja forms because that's the licensing we had and we did something pretty similar some of the details are a little bit different but the idea is definitely the same so I do want to mention too that what I've done here in gravity forms is is pretty simple and also accomplishable in a lot of different forms solutions inside of WordPress really the main thing is you need something that will accept images and allow users to upload images and you need something that can create posts out of those but a lot of the forms plug-in solutions do do that yeah so that is kind of the technical part that I wanted to cover of like how do you use this thing if you've never done anything like this in WordPress before so I kind of want to shift the conversation a little bit and talk about like obviously this is just a tool this tool itself doesn't build community but it might be something you can use to build community so I kind of want to talk about and see maybe suggestions in the chat if you want to speak up and unmute your mic or turn your camera on feel free to do that as well and talk about how you might want to promote this site or if you were to use something like this for similar ones so I've got some ideas but I'm more curious to hear from other folks from you know how do you build community around a single site because that's not necessarily easy to do Taylor in the meantime it does look like Tim Clark asked a question in the chat yeah can we see pagination for you to a hundred yeah that's that would be customizable in the post-grid plug-in that I'm using and to be perfectly honest with you I don't remember exactly how I have it configured on this one is in terms of the maximum length I would have to look into that of the of a page but yes it does handle page pagination of over a certain site but I don't know if it's a hundred I think it's a smaller amount than that does it matter where you would install it I'm seeing that question no it doesn't really matter where you install it in my case here the my first when I first started this and was showing like the finished a finished site with some posts on it this one's literally just on a subfolder of subdomain off of my shared hosting but then you know over the course of this I did install it at another subdomain on state you but you can theoretically and put it a lot of places you could make a community dot your domains program dot com or whatever and put it right there it could be a subfolder off the root basically any place you can put a WordPress install this would work and so there's a lot of different options there I could be a totally different domain too if you wanted that will the community template choice show up automatically or do we need to manually add it yes so the community template is something that isn't going to be on your domains instance unless you ask for it so what I would ask is if you're interested in this and you want me to throw this template on your server to play around with you can just put it in a ticket to support at reclaim hosting dot com and we get it installed that would be and then I would just ask you from there hey where do you want it or I can just throw the template on your server so that you can install it wherever you'd like to either one will be fine hi so I have a couple ideas for promoting but they may not be all that fancy right one one idea is that whenever you're doing an in-class workshop give yourself three or four minutes to pull up the community site because students really like to see other student examples of work and so I try to do that from from time to time just to get that out there we did use community dot as the sort of place for for ours before I broke it and the other idea is to have facets that sort of correspond to the kinds of digital assignments that you might be seeing that incorporate domain of one zone so a portfolios facet or a research facet or or whatever it might be within your you know your sort of local campus but that way folks could could kind of see you know examples and that and just just knowing that that's out there I've been assigned this project how can I see what others might have done I think is a good way to get folks engaging with the community site yeah thanks I like the idea of being of adding facets in terms of you know as assignment needs come up and stuff too because I did mention I don't think I showed it really but I did mention that the way I have this set up right now these are just categories so you could add these really easily at any time after the fact you know whatever so yeah I really like that and I hadn't I hadn't thought of that one I should also mention Tim that I should have shouted out your work at Muhlenberg too because that the whole reason we I made one of these at St. Albert was based on I think a Domain's 19 presentation you gave about yours so thank you for that the another thing that we have done or I've seen folks do and we did at St. Albert when I was there was we would occasionally email sort of our faculty that we know are doing things of Domain's and say hey is there anyone who you know from this assignment we know you do that you feel like really knocked out of the park that would want to add it so we basically what I mean is we would do some of that frontload some of that and say hey when you make this post your site to this this community site but we also did that after the fact to and tried to you know hey did anyone really seem to enjoy the assignment and should they submit their site there and another thing that we had some success with was using basically bulk email tools in that are built in the WHMCS to say hey anyone that's you know created a Domain last semester or the last few months or whatever let's email them and see if they want to submit anything to a site as well so I'll kind of throw those out to suggestions I just love Tom Woodward suggestion right there about tying like submissions to courses or disciplines I remember with Tim Owens and Martha Burtis were playing around with some version of this in like the the how would you call it like the the the ooze of the Domain of One's own like Domain of One's primary ooze exactly there they actually linked posts that will come in from blogs to particular classes and they were linking this you know pretty early on with something maybe like gravity forms and I really liked that because then we could say here's what's happening of course you end up you find discipline and I really love that so yeah I love that idea and that now I'll disappear myself remove yourself yeah so Allen mentioned tags tags will work right there yes and I didn't even I didn't put them on the default version of this but very forms is a really straightforward field for letting users put their own tags on things so that could be a really good option too is if you wanted people to have a free form like hey just comma separated add tags to your own submission you could do that and you could have you know an old-fashioned like tag cloud in the sidebar really easily or use some of WordPress's built-in you know taxonomy tools to manage those tags and display them you also theoretically if you wanted to could have a different post grid that's maybe more tag related instead of category so you could I have the post grid set up on a page called home but you could make another one and call it tags and make a second post grid using that plugin to display it differently based on that there's a lot of cuz these are just WordPress posts there's a lot you can do with it do a hidden field and provision it via URL then send out students and URL with secret populate yes sorry Taylor that was a bit much for chat maybe but just the idea like people always botched the tags right and so if you move to tags like there are a couple of different ways gravity forms would let you keep it consistent without having to have people spell it right you know econ 101 versus econ space 101 you know that kind of garbage so there's some tricks you can do to help that out yeah cool I'm and I'm not super familiar with that I guess the the my naive way of fixing that would have been after the fact because there are a lot of tools that will let you sort of merge you know and say hey this isn't you know take everything in this tag move it over here and get rid of it so that would be another way you could manage that but of course that's manual work so Taylor I had another idea I really appreciated the question on like how to promote this and I just have been thinking about like what structures are already in place at your college or university and maybe kind of piggybacking on some of those structures so for example we've got an undergraduate research forum we have a yearly an annual event that showcases service learning projects we have I think twice a year career service events and so like I saw at one institution I can't remember where it was might have been Davidson where they had a domains event you know where they highlighted some of those domains which was really cool but I'm almost wondering like is it would it be beneficial to kind of just like I said piggyback on the structures at your institution that are already in place that maybe could partner with domains community project you know and then you're not reinventing the wheel all the time yeah absolutely and I'm gonna just mention Chrissie's from St. Orbert and was my former boss so I'll just say that her and I talked a lot about that when I was at St. Orbert about like how do we there's a lot of a lot of things that that that students are asked to attend and and or asked to participate in that are you know to further themselves professionally or otherwise and we spent a lot of time thinking about where we could position our domains program alongside those things as like hey if you're going to a career fair you should consider doing this and I think that idea linking that with a community site and saying you should maybe make a portfolio site before you go to this career fair and also here's a page showcasing a bunch of portfolio students have done and so I think that also may have some value kind of talking about the earlier people were asking about link checking and broken link stuff and because they have to submit a screenshot obviously it's it's only a small screenshot of one page but even that if the the community site serves as kind of a bad archive that may be still valuable for students to kind of see what other students have done and even if they can't visit the site anymore if the actual and that would be up to you maybe you want to remove those posts but I would lean on the side of keeping them if anyone else has questions and stuff keep feeling free to throw them in the chat or you know unmute and ask but again if anyone else has more ideas on how do you kind of use a tool to help build community also still always looking for that too yeah I just want to say how how cool the form submission flexibility is because students could even sort of say at the point of submitting to the community site what they want the the preservation process to be you know some some students might want their stuff to come down after they've graduated and that could be you know in an opt-in sort of a field that you build into the form could be something that they stipulate at the point of submitting to the to community site and then at that point you know as the you know as you're administering it that those instructions are there if they're happy with the work to persist beyond their time at the institution you could take a flat file sort of our archive of that work free up the domains account and and still continue to maintain that sort of long-term it's also really helpful I think for assessment I think some faculty may want to look back over time to see how their how their use of domains is in their course is changing and and so having that option at the point of submission I think makes makes a whole lot of sense yeah yeah and I think there's a lot of metadata that could be useful there so you know more like you could go as simple as just saying how long do you want this up to what's your expected graduation date and do you want it after you graduate or do you want this site post sorry after you graduate or not there's a lot of different versions of that that could be really useful and as far as managing that stuff you know if you're if you're simply putting the questions in gravity forms you can search form submissions from there you can do a lot of there's plugins that will let you do a lot of bulk actions to post in wordpress that you could mess around with one thing I didn't really get to do that I wanted to but I think folks that have more expertise in me with gravity forms probably would know more about is I had messed around with a version of this using gravity forms to map questions to post meta custom post meta in wordpress and I was going to try to display that in the post table which you can do but I basically ran out of time and so basically that would have let you do things like sort by in the post table who's a student faculty or staff member instead of going to gravity forms and doing it there which could be useful for you know bulk actions on posts things like that I see a conversation about cross institutional domains stuff and that is something that I obviously really interested in and comes up a lot in our community forums that you know people are looking for examples and stuff like this and one idea that I don't really I don't really know exactly what it would look like but one thing that I've thought about is like what would it what would it look like if reclaim had a site like this that people could submit to but you know what would need to be different about it would people find that valuable you know at all I don't know but I think that there could be some legs to that idea as well as a more formalized hey you know your your school is doing something kind of interesting with domains you want to show off work to other schools I don't know if other folks would find that useful but that could be kind of interesting yeah I think people would like that too Tom and I do one of the things that's interesting to me about that is you know it brings up questions that kind of came up adjacent to what we're talking about about student work or faculty work or staff work and archiving that like well when they want to pull it down I always feel a little creepy like taking people's work and putting in our reclaim like hey and if people do it willingly great but then there are some some questions we want to do that but then to go down the creepy road like I also like the idea of like Alan's broken link checker like that's something where you could reserve some examples of that and they would have to be that idea of like people like that's fine I just don't want to have the site anymore but you can keep an archive of it but I I always would like to find a way to do that so that it's mutually agreeable and beneficial and folks feel like they're both getting something out of it because it can quickly seem like I don't want that side up and I know at UMW a lot of students reached out like take my stuff off you know the blocks now it sounds like okay you know so there's that trick but if we can figure out a way where it works for everyone it would be awesome. Alan mentioned or linked to another plug-in use submitted posts that I haven't heard of and but I'll have to check out because that is another thing here and you know I made this in Gravity Forms and that's pretty popular but and we can put this on this template with Gravity Forms licensed on it on domains for any school that wants it but I am kind of thinking about like yeah that obviously the big downside is if you're an individual that wants to do something like this you would need to have a Gravity Forms license of some kind to use it or the alternative is to use a different tool that because I'm not doing anything mind-blowing with the form this could be replicated so I am interested in kind of looking more into alternative form options that have different licensing models or our open source would be awesome obviously. I've seen conversation about adding another URL to the form that leads to a page in another site where folks use a post to describe how the sausage was made it could be really interesting I think I think you could do that a little a few different ways you know in my version of this I just said like maybe you want to mention plugins but maybe you even have a of individual field that's like have you written about your site on your site or someplace else include it here maybe it's optional or or could be required but yeah I think there's a lot of a lot of legs to that idea that was one thing that that I don't know how to encourage that because I think it's it's hard talk getting students to talk about how they made their site in my experience because a lot of times they have this imposter syndrome of like well I did it so other people know exactly how they would do it not everyone has that but a lot of people so you encourage that. What I was thinking about Taylor was we have a little bit of a different situation here because we're community college and what we're finding is an enormous amount of the sites that get created are actually by faculty to address a particular teaching use a particular teaching case or situation like that and what I can see is this would great you know be a showcase you could see this stuff and then there'd be an optional link and we would have basically another site that I've actually been kind of working on of collecting notes from faculty about so why did you create this site how does it used in your class so it's kind of a cross between assignment bank and showcase and this would be great we got the showcase you could go right to it or if you're curious about how to use whatever's been done or why this site was created you got another way to get to that yeah and it would be an optional field it wouldn't be on every every entry yeah and that and people mentioned here I think for that type of site that's a little bit more hate right there's there's options like you could definitely use true writer or true collector yeah lots for that yeah be really good because in those you don't need all of the like individual form data that I have built into this and the great thing about that is those you can still customize like some of the primer text and description text so you could use that to kind of feed into this that's really interesting yep would be possible to take the best part of those true collector have a lot of functionality built in the themes of possible to take part of those put in a plug in that could be used with multiple themes that's part yeah that's I think it would to Ed's question I think it would be possible to to you know break some of this out some of the stuff that the Allen has done with true collector and true writer out in the plug-in but it would it's a lot of custom a lot of custom development obviously and that that's kind of why I'm interested in continuing to explore different like form-based plugins and maybe it's you know a combination of things like Alan mentioned earlier there's the user submitted forms plug-in that I wasn't aware of and maybe some maybe the the custom sauce is just making the post-formatted the way you like and so I think there's an opportunity for that further what I like about gravity forms and why I like that you chose it is because it's like a tool that lets you do additional things so you kind of like get them moving with momentum right and then if you want to tweak things to whatever extent you've put them in an environment that is malleable like if you wanted to do kind of what Luke was talking about and have kind of these reflective posts about it that could be a second form tied into this that goes into a category of reflection they could live at the bottom of the example thing you know if you wanted to add plugins or themes and associate it with or like pedagogical strategies so you'd be able to see like what's a community site look like versus you know a collector type of site like you can you can do all that stuff you know the one cautionary thing I'd say after seeing this you know play out at I don't know lots of different places over time it's like keep it as simple as possible for most of the time until you've really committed because like it's just so easy to make this incredibly beautiful thing and then you realize keeping it up is such a slog and you just wear out and then the thing drops off and as soon as it's not current then you know everything dies so just make it make it sustainable for you yeah thanks I really appreciate you jumping in yeah that's that that is the trickiest part with all this it like when I when I made the form for this particular template I really was trying to keep it as simple and not intimidating looking for the user to fill out as possible I don't have a lot of design bones in my body but I was trying to you know make it sure that you pull the form up and it wasn't super long or it you know as best as I could made it look like it wasn't gonna take long to fill out so to me that's that's something to consider too is if you're asking folks to provide more information you know is what's optional what's not optional even if you have a form or sorry a field in a form that's not optional if it looks intimidating it's gonna contribute to the user potentially clicking on that submit button first clicking on the form and then going I don't have time to fill this out and then probably never coming back to it so I think there's a tricky balance with that too not only in maintainability long-term but getting people to do the thing in the first place I also really like your form design where they were side-by-side so it kind of we've talked about this offline but like the way in which it squishes so it seems almost like you're submitting less of a form than one where you just scroll down a page and I think there's something to that design piece that's elegant so that you don't feel like you're filling out as long a form as you really are yeah and I think that kind of design piece that you know gravity forms and others make easy is crucial to making people actually do the work yeah and the nice thing is that's really easy to do and gravity forms a side-by-side stuff like you literally just you're literally just dragging a question next to another question and it does that and you don't have to say think about the fact that like oh what if someone's filling this out from a phone and so gravity forms will automatically you know put in the right CSS work to make that reflow to not side-by-side if your screens you know below a certain size and you don't have to do that manually which is awesome and there are other plugins that do similar stuff with their form layouts which is was nice for someone like me who is not very experienced in like web development there's a lot of stuff that using a built-in form plug-in or using a form plug-in that you don't have to worry about because of that you just get that for free basically okay alright yeah so see a couple people having to jump out but yeah well I'm gonna keep hanging out here till till I guess one and so you know keep questions coming or discussion ideas coming if you have them but really appreciate people visiting if you're interested in getting this template available just put in a just email support at reclaim hosting calm and we will get it dropped on your site installed for you to use and if you have any other questions about it you know definitely send those in as well so before too many people take off I also kind of want to promote a couple things that will be kind of we're working on right now at at reclaim so this is the first community chat we're hoping to have more of them we're thinking right now monthly that's kind of the plan so next month we're still planning it out and figuring everything but we are we are going to be doing one on February 9th we'll send information out just like we did for this one with details but just know that that is upcoming we're gonna I think for right now we're gonna stick to the same time and probably same you know Wednesday every every month in addition to that we're also gonna be doing a newsletter and where we'll also be mentioning these these community chats as well as other things that we're working on and thinking about so look out for those it's gonna be called reclaim roundup so you should be seeing those soon there will be a recording of this posted I we will have I believe we'll have the recording in that newsletter I just mentioned but I think I'm also gonna send the recording out to everyone who registered for this event so should be able to see that as well yeah so I'm excited about those and and also if there's a topic or something for a community chat that you want to see you know also send me that you all that registered for this have my email because I sent it out from that so feel free to say hey I would love to talk more about you know with other admins about this particular topic I'm very very open to those ideas and we'll probably ask you some more questions about them so I would be very interested in hearing about that hey when you send out the recording can you make sure the the chats are included because there's a lot of good information there yeah I've been tracking not word for word what's going on in the chat but I've been tracking the general conversation in a notes document keeping up with links and what people have been contributed perfect thank you yeah we can definitely send that out as well I think this is just so awesome one of the things that it solves for me is the way I put the other one together really only allowed me to feature word press sites in the community site and so this because it's basically just taking a screenshot in a URL means that oh mecca or scalar or anything else that folks might be building can be featured alongside everything so that's that's great I am curious though if the if the install script could allow a kind of pre-population you know not all the fields in the form would be completed but it could it could snag a couple of things just to let you know what's already in there and because they would just be in draft you could then you know kind of kind of get a sense of what's what's there do you have any thoughts about how some of the back-end stuff could be automated how those things could work together so in terms of pre-populating do you mean like the the form so the user doesn't have to put in the title other site and things like that or what do you mean I'm not thinking of the user so much as I'm thinking of me because like if the if the fields are established because you've set up the form you could write in a kind of my SQL script that then just says okay what exists and let's just go ahead and throw it in there even if we don't publish it and then what I would be doing then is going through and just kind of finding the ones that I care about and sort of supplementing that stuff I sure you're saying like reading installatron data and saying like hey exactly from this yeah that is something that I really want to be able I mean totally would be technically possible it's just one of those things where outside of the scope of this version of it but I think I think you know there's there's a couple things I was thinking about in like opportunities for automation further on like the first one to me is I think instead of asking for a screenshot I think I could with some work use tools like puppeteer to take a screenshot on the server and then feed that in that would be one that would be really handy so I have those scripts I've written that yeah I have one too the tricky thing is like getting that making all that work together so like I have a script that lets me feed it a bunch of URLs and take screenshots but get that into the you know my screenshot into the WordPress media library or just someplace else format the right way can be done and it's just something that I haven't done yet yeah but but yeah I mean I guess the the general question is gravity forms allows you to sort of set everything up get your field names in the database established and then after that it's just back to my SQL right I would be just doing inserts into the tables in WordPress that have already sort of been named and and configured by the gravity forms because that's a that's kind of a pain in the neck honestly yeah I think if you wanted to do that in that way you would be doing it in two places unfortunate well two places in the database I mean you would be making the post yourself and making entries and gravity forms yourself and the reason it would be that way is gravity forms makes its post as sort of like a post submit action some code that it runs so when when you fill that form out and hit submit it goes great I've saved the form and now I'm gonna make a post and what I don't know how to do and there may be a way to do that but say you manually put stuff in the gravity forms table that it's using I don't know how you would run through and say hey for all these that don't have a post go make one for me so I think what you would actually have to do is put them in there and the WordPress you'd be making your own WordPress post on top of that which would be tricky but you know theoretically doable it just it it would be a lot of custom work to do that and I think but you know I I'm saying this totally speculatively because I'm very much new to gravity forms so there may be a way to say like there may be a way like via like gravity forms has a API like to say like hey you know run the post creation again for this entry even though it's not again it's the first time you know things like that maybe possible I'm not quite sure okay well thanks that that's super helpful I appreciate it this is great thank you yeah you know for further record you can do all that stuff if you want so just yeah awesome where's the blog post Tom I mean some of it is is like the old stuff we did with George down remember with phantom JS so I don't think puppeteer existed back then but it it is I have old stuff Taylor if you want to see like what's the cycle from getting the URL running the whatever puppeteer phantom JS to get the screenshot and then importing it into the WordPress media library and associated it with a post like I have stuff you know is old now and I could probably do it a lot better but like I have you know tons of random stuff like that because this is like an interesting historical problem that we're doing like Jim reference like like this is from the beginning and we've done this and like so many different institutions with so many different patterns and you get into Tim's questions which I think are a mix of like are you reading the installatron data you know then you get into the inevitably the question of permissions and if you're gonna have to ask permissions to put the thing publicly does that route you back into a manual process you know and you know what we've done to with with things is like if it's WordPress or let's say it's one of three things we understand well I don't know scale our own mecca WordPress what's the API and what can we generate automatically based on things we know can we like unfurl data so we just put in one URL almost use like a press it type of action from the site and then what can we automate there like it's fun stuff to think about and I think you can get to much better places but like you know it would be almost fun to see like these things happen each time like I know the permission saying I'll get up I know expiration will get up I know request to take down we'll come along you know like it's just you know same problems different group new people thinking about it exactly but did you find when you were dealing with install trunk data because you did tap into that and you could kind of pull that stuff in but then there was questions about is it only WordPress is it WordPress Omega and Scaler or right like what was some of the limits you came up I don't want to turn this into obviously you know sidetrack but I'm interested in one of those limits because that was years ago now and I almost forgot some yeah we did it so one we did a WordPress version I think with Tim's help based on some sort of script output as I recall but recently based on some conversation with John Stewart like I was looking much more into WHM and some of the the more core kind of data sources so we have I have a bunch of crap written down someplace like that I want to get back to that's about getting that data and using it more mechanically you know both at the like private just like what in the hell's going on across all these things and how do I know stuff but then it would map over nicely to some of the public conversations we're having here but it's just like you know I just haven't gotten back to it because I'm doing stupid other stuff there's the balance like Ed says between like because I'm like you I want to go down rapid holes with this and see if there's a way it's kind of like the edgy blue idea can you pull everything together cleanly and make it work but add to your point simple and working with a form is a beautiful thing so I don't want to I don't want to take away from what you've done here which is awesome no I a hundred percent like this is where my break all of these things are brought up like what if we pulled in data or you know we have this data from install Tron or we we all of that may making this template was an exercise for me and limiting the functionality because I would have taken a year to make it otherwise especially because I'm not very comfortable with some of the tech required to do some of that so yeah it's a tricky balance and you know I was trying to making this I was really trying to make something that would work for someone who like just got domains and was like how do we share you know what people are doing and then they could maybe grow with it right and say like hey we started with a simple form and eventually we maybe you know added some other fields that we wanted or changed the theme of the site a little bit or eventually we started experimenting with well how do we get like bulk you know more automated you know imports of some of these things I mean my dream version of this would be like in in your cPanel users could click a little button that's like I want my site featured and it would pull in all the metadata of the site and just put it right on like that's that's my sort of a dream version of this but that would require a lot of hooking in the cPanel and doing a lot of things that would be probably not super sustainable but are probably possible you know and if you were automating to that degree I would be really interested in seeing what we could get in the WordPress portal that leads to cPanel sure you know right now we can't even see what people's URLs are without logging into the separate system and so the more you could get that consolidated in that one WordPress front area that's a good I'm I'm literally sorry I'm literally looking over here because I'm gonna take some notes because yeah the idea of having more metadata about domains inside of that main front end is interesting to me and I'm and it is related to some other things that some other projects I'm thinking about too so I'm gonna write down like how what would be the best way to do that and do it well because I think for a lot of people I mean certainly when I was doing domains admin stuff at St. Norbert like 90% of what I needed to do I could do from the WordPress front end without going into WHM CS WHM so yeah the the gravity form is public facing right on the community site yep so and it's a it's a consistent URL it's not dynamically generated right if I understand that so yeah in the navigation right from the you know the get started page submit my site could be a link right up there it just takes you you don't even have to go to the community site front page sure just takes you right into the to the form to complete it and and yeah that would be pretty close to just train all all of our folks to say hey if you have something you're proud of just go right here and submit it and it'll show up in the community portal yeah I'll be it be really interesting the other kind of thing similar to that I think that would be kind of cool is again I'm very good about talking about tech that I don't understand in that sorry wishing things from tech that I don't understand is what I mean but like I think of like like if you've ever seen like the support widget that a lot of a lot of sites have from Zendesk it's usually built in with a little little like question mark bubble and they're just using some JavaScript to load that widget in on every they put it in like the footer of their their site and it loads that in on top of the page there's a lot of things like that but something like that that could pop up a form kind of like this but then capture metadata from the site you were already looking at you know some combination of it to make that even easier for folks to submit would be really interesting to me but would be probably pretty complicated I mean given that we can in default install plugins and WordPress like depending on where you want this thing to show up now other things like Omecon Scalar I think would would become a little messier but like with with things that are easy and that have API it's like having all that data and essentially iframing your gravity form into a chat window or pre-provisioning the URL parameters such that the gravity form fields are filled out based on the thing that you're coming from like that's all pretty straightforward like not a big deal you just need to know where does that community site live that that'd be like the hardest thing to figure out honestly and then it's an opt-in type of thing from the from the core source and like that gets you out of a lot of hassle yeah yeah and I don't meant Tom you mentioned earlier if I wanted to look at any of the stuff you had done with phantom JS and yeah if you wanted to send that to me I would totally look at that so yeah I'll dig it up respond and all if you want the I've got this stuff too on like where data lives throughout the the various WHM and stuff and like what you can do with some of the API calls sure I have like I have like a document of stuff like here's where things are so when I get like I don't know less lazy or more motivated or something like I'm coming back to it I took all the notes I like did the homework but haven't done the fun part of it so gotcha yeah I would I would definitely be interested to look through some of that well um anyone else has something we can we can I can definitely talk about it but I think we're like 10 minutes over at this point and I don't want to take up too much people's time so I think we'll call it here but I'm really really encouraged by the discussions and it was great seeing everybody here and hearing from folks and I'm pretty excited to keep these going you know in future topics and stuff so we should have some more information on further community chats soon so thank you all for coming so Taylor you know I popped into the chat but would reclaims license allow me to play with gravity forms on maybe one site yeah or one multi-site installation would you be able to install that for me I should just write an email to put a ticket in as long as we are posting it it should be fine the way the terms of our license are should be fine thank you very much yeah no problem should we pause the recording yeah I'm gonna stop it here