 All right, so today's session or our session today is titled how we win and the idea behind it is that we're going to share the share hopefully practical tips and Ideas that you can apply to your own careers and your own education. So as as most of you know here I'm Felicia Jones. I am our student faculty coordinator here at the Mises Institute with me I have Dr. Jonathan Newman. He is our academic fellow at the Institute and Mr. Thoe Bishop and he is our content manager and like I said, we're just we're going to share hopefully some great tips from our own experiences and help equip you as you move forward changing hearts and minds. So to share a little bit about myself, I obtained my undergraduate and master's degrees from Troy University. I was an economics major in the business school and one of the biggest lessons I learned early on from a professor was at the time I was considering PhD programs and so I took a lot of math and so I know this is a controversial topic among Austrians, but if you're going to consider going into a PhD in economics program, consider taking calculus, consider taking linear algebra, differential equations so that you're adequately prepared when you get to that program. And this applies to both mainstream and and free market programs and so just something to think about as you're in your undergraduate education and so another thing along those like academic preparation is join activities. Make sure that you're in your economics club or your liberty club so that you have things to put on your resume. Another thing that was crucial just towards like my own development both as a young professional, but also just as like part of personal development was get a job. I cannot stress this enough. Do not graduate college without getting a job. And it doesn't matter whether it's in food service or retail or within your dorms at your college, having that job experience especially early on teaches you valuable life skills and how to get along well with people and each one of those skills contributes to the next job. So one of the things that I would say for myself personally is my education and economics got me the pay but my work experience is what got me the job. So when I interviewed at the Mises Institute I wasn't asked about what classes did you take in undergrad and grad school. They asked me okay, what are useful skills that you learned and that would be my biggest recommendation for you. So along those lines as students we have some great programs for you. Although we are here at Mises University, this is a week-long conference that we really want to encourage you to network with each other, get to know our faculties. You never know who you're going to meet next to you. They might have some great experiences or you know potentially they could be a future colleague in the fields that you're in. In addition to MisesU we have other summer programs like Rothbard Graduate Seminar. It is for graduate students where you get to study human action or man economy in state or all sorts of like crucial key Austrian texts. It is sponsored by Ms. Alice Lilly, our wonderful donor and we really want to encourage you especially if you're in a PhD program or a master's program to apply and come join us in the summer. And then finally we have our fellowship program. As we saw earlier this morning we have wonderful wonderful fellows, you know, they they are constant. They're here all summer and they are constant joy for us and basically what you can do if you're a summer fellow is research a topic of your choice and spend the entire summer working on a research project. Additionally, you'll have free entrance to Rothbard Graduate Seminar at MisesU. You get a dedicated research space and free housing at Rothbard Village. So those are those are some of our like our programs that we want to encourage you to take advantage of and Mr. Bishop and Dr. Newman will share more about our book club and our apprenticeship program. So Dr. Newman would you like to go ahead? Let me first plug the book club that's coming up. So in starting in September I'm going to be having weekly virtual meetings with a very select group of students and we're going to be discussing the chapters of Four New Liberties. So it's a great text and I look forward to doing that. So make sure you sign up for that. There's information about it out in the conservatory. In terms of advancing liberty in your career that the sorts of advice that I have that would that would be generally applicable but it seemed there are things that I have learned as an academic. The first thing is be easy to work with. This is something that applies everywhere, but don't don't be the don't be the stick in the mud. Don't be the person who's always arguing. I mean, you know, stick up for your principles and everything, but also don't don't be the guy that that once you leave the meeting everybody else is chit chatting about saying man This guy's you know, it's terrible to work with. So so be easy to work with. Do say yes to things. So when people ask you to do, you know, the mundane sorts of things, don't don't turn your nose up at it and think that you're above it, especially early on in your career, you've got to you've got to say yes more often than you say no. So you've got to have your boundaries. But you've also got to you've got you've got to show that you're willing to step up to the plate for whatever institutional organization you work for. And in so doing you you will just naturally grow in terms of your reputation, you will develop a network so people will think about you and think highly of you when when promotions come up when new projects come up and and they'll they'll ask you to do those sorts of things, the things that you want to do. So you've got to do the things that you don't want to do before you can do the things that you want to do. So so develop that network and rely on them and also be a good member of that network. So when you see positions open that might not work for you, but you think that it would work for somebody else. Make sure you send that their way or at least broadly publish it like in a group chat or something like that to your to your group. So so participating in that work and be conscious of that, especially at events like this, where you're meeting a bunch of new people from all over the place. So it was through my my own connections that I got information about positions that that I wanted to apply to. And so like when I went to Bryan College that that the opening there was was given to me or it was shown to me by somebody I met here at at Mises you. So so it's it's very, very important to make use of the network. The the the last thing that I'll mention is that, let's see, I said, be easy to work with using that work and. Man, there's one other thing I'm blanking. Well, let's move over to though. Well, I try to remember what the what the last thing I had one one more thing. We'll come back. So perspective on I'm going to turn on my mic. So I'm my perspective within this is a professional pursuit within sort of in the ideological space or being able to take away what we've learned this week and applying it with the professional space from outside of a prudentialed perspective. I'm a college dropout, but when I was young, I was very interested in the ideas I got tired of the college sort of game. And so what I did is I dedicated myself to reading. I read Mises dot org every single day and pick up a lot of books. I'd read them during my breaks. One of my best jobs was dealing with oil spill cleanup during the BP oil spill thing. We didn't get a lot of oil over where I was in Panama City Beach. So you had, you know, a lot of a lot of breaks in between that. So I got to read a whole bunch of Mises Institute books during that time when I did a sharpened. Intellectual tools that I've been able to apply throughout the rest of my career. And in some ways, some of the some of the best intellectual capital I have. OK, it kind of came from those early days, reading and reading and reading and writing and writing reading and writing. And during those times can help really kind of build an intellectual foundation for what it was that inspired me. Now, one interesting outlet that allowed me to to help kind of get to where I was now was kind of the dark arts of politics. Because politics, the way that I came here was I helped help with some political campaigns for a man that became the chairman of the financial services committee. And so from that, when I was on DC, I got to meet some connections and combined with my love of the Mises Institute. It led me here and I've been haven't been kicked out yet. But it's also interesting is like once you have like within politics, you get a lot of mediocrities. You have a lot of people whose, you know, they're in politics because they see it as a means to to get power as a means to grow their ego. Maybe they don't have a lot of confidence that they're going to make the salary they think that they deserve because that's what their parents did. And so therefore their lobbyists, grandfather can get them connected to a really nice office very, very easily. So you're dealing with a lot of mediocre individuals and nice suits with when you get to Capitol Hill. If you have an ideological passion, if you have something that motivates you, it's remarkable the ways that you can find to do it. So like one of the little jobs that I had was, you know, creating clips in the morning. So like, you know, creating a daily email of all of the like the headlines that people needed to read. Well, because I got to decide what were the clips within that I'd include Mises.org I'd include. I remember sharing a lot of Mark Thornton and Karen DeCoster's work on the housing bubble, because that was obviously a big topic of interest. And so, you know, having little little footholds where you have something that ideologically drives you, you can identify ways to put into practice. Now the problem with politics, of course, is that DC is an evil, evil place. I'd be skeptical of anyone that enjoys being there for a prolonged period of time. I got out after a couple of years. But going back to some of the things we've been talking about, the importance of networks, the importance of, you know, being sociable, being able to create these ties. A few years ago, Donald Trump nominated a really, really horrible economist to be a Federal Reserve chair, to be a Federal Reserve on the Board of Governors. I was getting Marvin Goodfriend. He was someone that was promoted by Cato in heritage. He said nice things about rules based monetary policy, and therefore this is going to be a great guy. It's a great thing. Well, I went back and I was sort of reading his most recent stuff, which included a 2016 speech he gave at Jackson Hole, Wyoming. And it was all about how we needed negative interest rates, how we needed a fully digital currency. For the same reasons we needed to get off the gold standard. This was just a natural update of the monetary framework that gives the state more control and can help us deal with the business cycles and the like that we know are very, very bad. He even suggested that, hey, look, politically getting rid of cash in the short term might not be politically feasible. So therefore I've got this great idea. We're going to break the value of paper currency from electronic currency. Put $100 note in your bank account. You get $99 in your account and you're going to kind of wrote away the use of paper cash through these mechanisms. I mean, it was a brilliant work of evil genius. Because I had networks in DC, I had a friend that worked for an office with Senator Mike Lee. He was very interested in some private immigration solutions. And so we, you know, he's still on the hill that the way he started every single day was reading antiwar.com, mises.org, and leerockwell.com. So that's a good guy to find. He was able to take my arguments about why Marvin Goodfriend was the worst Federal Reserve nominee of all time. He was able to convince his boss. Now, because he had a dynamic where you needed every single Republican to support and Senator Lee happened to be the person that was in charge of deciding when nominations were voted on. Marvin Goodfriend's domination never went up to vote and it expired. And so my buddy and I were able to kind of single-handedly stop a really bad Trump Federal Reserve nominee. And when you consider the extent of his bad ideas, again, like he's one of the intellectual leaders of digital cash and the like. There are ways of being able to make some changes in the margins, but ultimately this is not, this requires networks and requires giving a damn. It requires not resting near laurels. It requires not being in a state of self-satisfaction where you've convinced yourself that some generic framework is, you know, you don't become intellectually discurious because you become content on where you are. You need to constantly be engaging with the news cycle, constantly reading new books, constantly trying to better comprehend what is it that drives people to other ideas? What is it that drives people to be skeptical of our ideas? How can we blend the middle road there? So of course there's ways of doing this outside of politics. Content creation generally has a great opportunity right now. There's Will Blakely is here. He's a reporter for 1819 News in Alabama. He does, I think one of my favorite writers right now because he applies a lot of what he learned as a Mises U alum. That gives you a really good analysis for kind of identifying cronyism and all these sort of bad actors and politics. And he applies it to local news. And I think within the content environment, so much as we get so distracted by the national circus, we get distracted by national politics. It's being able to apply this into your own area where you have an area of competitive advantage. If you were to go to your local library and read, spend four hours reading your local history, you will know more about your local town than 99% of the people in your community. That can provide value, whether you're interested in politics, whether you're interested in analysis, whether you're just interested in being respected in a variety of ways. These are ways to do it, localize your knowledge. There's so little interest in state analysis, so little interest in the consequences for the tax policies of your local county commission. Again, all of us are now equipped with a framework that makes us better at doing this than the overwhelming majority of the people in your community. So this is a very easy way for us to create a competitive advantage. Another aspect, of course, is the larger discourse of ideas. And so if the Mises Apprentice Program, this is our first run on identifying ways in which we can engage in the ever-changing battleground of intellectual debate. We've got wonderful, wonderful people who are many ways already extremely established in the run. People like Jess Gill, that is wonderful work from the UK and a lot of great videos for a variety of organizations. We've got David Brady, who has now beaten me because he's now made it on Human Action Podcast with Bob Murphy. Because of an article, we've got Sam Peterson, who is just making it rain essay contest awards with his own writing. Which is very impressive. We've got Joseph Rich, who's got the Austrian Economics Discord Channel, which I think is one of the great intellectual organizations when the Austrian movement today. I highly encourage everyone to check it out. And those are just the four here. But we want to identify talent out there. We want to help constantly seek self-improvement and then engage ever more boldly within this battleground. Because again, we all know we have a lot of work ahead of us. But it is a battle that we have all chosen by being here. And we owe it to ourselves to give us our best chance. And so that's happy. Happy to talk more about the way that we can apply these ideas within these various different spheres. I did remember. So it's actually a great segue on that note of self-improvement. One thing that has been critical for me is finding the people who will give you honest feedback. And be willing to listen to what they say. So you have to be very brutal with yourself in terms of the skills that you have and the skills that you don't have. And when you're doing these different projects, when you're writing, when you're speaking, when you're doing podcasts. If you notice that you're not doing this as well as you'd like to, then send the product to your friend's way or on your friend's way. And ask them for very honest, critical feedback. And they will point out the things that you did well and the areas that you can improve. This is really, really important for self-improvement so that you can get better and be more well-rounded in all of these different aspects where it's writing or speaking or interviews and anything that you're doing. So find those people, but also be that person for your friends as well. So this goes back to being a good member of your network. So when you're collaborating, especially when you're collaborating with other people, make sure that you're holding the standard high. Make sure that the final product that goes out that has your name and the other person's name on it is something that you're proud of. And that will only come by iron sharpening iron. So be that person. So before I open it for a Q&A part, one thing I do also just want to mention. And this is not an afterthought, but actually the most important piece that we could share with you today is that in order for the Liberty movement to be successful is that we need virtuous people. We need ethical people. We need libertarians. We need libertarians that care tremendously about not just their work ethic, but being honest and being true because without that, we're just a sounding board. We're just happy little Twitter people. And that's not effective. Being good people is how we win. And so I can't emphasize that enough because if we're not good people first, whether it's based upon your own faith or based upon these foundational principles that you hold dear, self-evaluation, then we're not going to win. Liberty won't prevail. So we need to be good people. So now I'm going to open up for the Q&A. If you have any questions. Yeah, we're happy to help answer them. Might you say without such virtue, the Liberty wouldn't last more than three generations. Next question. I won't bring up the papal army again, but do you guys have any advice, especially for Jonathan, on how you deal with conflicts within academia? Because you're taking, for lack of a better word, a very heterodox approach, right? That wouldn't be welcome among many people. So you talked about not being conflicting. You kind of have to be right if you want to stick by your principles. So could you talk a little bit about that? Sure. There are two different philosophies. One is to basically keep it hidden. So stay in the closet basically. And then basically once you finally work your way up and get your tenured position, then you can unveil that with the shirt. You've got the big A for Austrian. So that's one way to go about it. That's not the method that I chose. I never hid the Mises Institute on my CV. I was always involved with their events and writing for them and doing that sort of thing. And it did mean that I would have the occasional debate with my professors. But I tried to go about it in a nice way. I was never combative. I would never point my finger at them and say, you're wrong. That sort of thing. That sort of conversation that I would have. And I think that was beneficial. I think my professors thought better of me because of that. So if you can go about it in a way where you're impressing the faculty with how much you know about their side and also your own side, and you can do it in a way where you're still friends, you still get along, then I would do it that way. Now, of course, when it comes time to go on the job market, some programs and some departments are going to look at the things on your CV, and they might not like the fact that you have certain things on your CV. I don't recommend hiding it. I recommend, you know, what that means, if you did hide it, it means that you would be putting yourself in a department where you have hostile coworkers. So you should self-select into departments where they're going to be more tolerant of those views. So that's why I'm a proponent of the view of just work on the things and do the writing that you want to do now, and don't try to hide your Austrian views now, but still do it in a nice way, in a friendly way. I do want to add on to that, Dr. Newman. I have a very good friend of mine who kind of went the route of, let me go to a PhD program that's super well ranked, and he was miserable because he had very hostile professors, and he ended up taking a gap year and then decided, no, I still want to get a PhD in economics, and then he went to a free market program. And so while, yeah, it's still your choice, whether you want to go mainstream or more like free market-oriented programs, it's still an evaluation you're going to have to, a self-evaluation you're going to have to take, but one thing that is really nice about going to a free market program is that you'll come across mentors and really good mentors who will work with you to improve your writing so that you become a better researcher. And so I would just encourage, when you're doing that, think about those trade-offs, that's something to think about. Thank you all for being here. I think Luke actually stole my original question, so I have to raise a Protestant army to go and conquer him now. But actually the question that I had was a lot of our conversation is centered around older people, specifically like adults, and having a discourse and dialect with people who are already mature in their own ideas, what advice could you give about maybe interacting with a younger group who is still young in their idea of formation and converting those hearts and minds before you have to go back and undo the knot of roots in their thinking and straighten them out, so to speak? That's a good question. And I think there's a lot of opportunity right now where you have a lot more political engagement at a younger age, or perhaps unfortunately at times, but there's the discomfort. It's interesting, I think within the current environment a lot of 18-year-old people that kind of become big Trump people. These were the people who had been Ron Paul people back in 2008. They were kind of responding to a certain level of edginess to a certain extent that kind of Ron Paul's campaign was really able to, it had many different elements that kind of made it such as interesting intellectual reaction, and I think there's an element within the way the current political environment is doing that for less radical figures, obviously. But it's creating the sort of resistance to the culture that is being pushed upon them in a variety of different platforms, a variety of different ways. And I think ultimately for them to get to a dynamic to which they want to engage within our sort of content, it first requires, you have to light that candle that I need to think for myself. And the large percentage population doesn't want to think for themselves, right? They want to make choices that they're given and just kind of go along with it. You need that original spark. At least that's in terms of getting, you know, perhaps getting a young person to miss you or to reading a book from our bookstore. Now, in terms of, you know, more broader things on just, you know, not hating capitalism, not hating, you know, maybe never getting to knowing the name Marie Rothbard, but just kind of, you know, not being a commie. You know, I think one of the areas where the left has made a tremendous amount of gains has been their take it over their their their their willingness to take over institutions. And we're kind of seeing education in particular being a very interesting frontline right now where parental rights groups are kind of the closest thing that conservatives have to kind of like civil rights groups of our day. Right. And so you're motivating parents to go to school boards and they're yelling at, you know, horrific books in their in their curriculum. And, you know, to me, I see an opportunity here where if there's a recognition that what is being taught in our classrooms is either bad or does our scrutiny. Then, you know, how do we get like, yeah, if any of you out there are not interested in going to postgraduate path but are interested in putting these ideas of practice, you know, being a there's nothing wrong with being a history economics teacher, right. A lot of people they don't think about economics and they're not they're not they don't come across the term of the concepts until they get to high school. You know, being a history teacher being a civics teacher, right, you know, the ability particularly within history of being able to shape the narrative. You know, the left was so good at being able to kind of, you know, you have this sort of Howard Zinnification of American history that ends up getting, you know, regurgitated out there again if we take that that sort of Rothbard in class analysis we talked about on radio off bard and apply that down. I'm obviously see you see a very interesting void right now with the total twins trying to doing work in this field. The builder for for a for some younger audiences there but I think there's a tremendous amount of entrepreneurial opportunity in terms of creating content for explicitly younger audiences not just, you know, college age. So I think there's there's there's some opportunities here for for for us to kind of help fill that void. Hey, my question is directed towards though we had talked about cronyism. I wanted you to expand on that and go over some of the utilities for our school of thought and some of the dangers of it and whether or not you think pretty much we should be expanding our efforts into being cronies as Austrians. Well, I think there's a dynamic to which, you know, we need people that are moral people virtuous people but we also need successful people. Right, you know, the Institute is able to be the Institute because of economic gains made outside of the pure theory of ideas right we were very fortunate that we have professors here with us that cared enough about the Institute to actually be donors. But we want donors that have bigger paychecks than our academics. Unless your horizon to so to then you know that's that make work out there. And so the reality is that unfortunately there are certain fields that are kind of captured by cronyist areas what I think what I think is a negative way of taking these ideas right you kind of get this with it. I don't I'm a fan but there's sort of like a there's an issue where I think young people if you first interact with us economics and then you learn Peter Schiff was right. And then Peter Schiff tells you the entire financial industry is a bubble. So therefore don't get into it. If you took that advice and I've sub one that I might have a lot of funds to invest but I bought gold rather than stocks, taking that advice in 2011 2012 was a bad idea. Right. And so understanding the way that this warped captured economy actually functions beyond our moral understanding of it and being able to you know if you have a niche within it. Where you know you can provide a skill but that skill is heavily cartelized. Don't avoid the industry because it's cartelized and that you find that morally offensive. Be the best you can within the confines that are there. The problem is when you when you then become the special interest group that wants to further intervene within the economy creep you make this these problems worse and worse. We should always work to be positive forces with where whatever standing we have in society we shall be working to to embrace laissez-faire we should be working towards liberalizing within Rothbardian sense but we shouldn't be afraid of being successful within areas of society that are not currently within a Rothbardian framework. Hey, what advice would you give to people who already work on the field of liberty and how can they keep like advancing liberty and learning more theory and applying this theory in the field they already are in in the political sense. I would definitely make use of like all of the literature that's on Mises.org so it like everything that Mises publishes is available for free online. You could you could spend multiple lifetimes just reading everything so so the answer is read read read and read some more. And I said that one of Murray Rothbard's greatest attributes and we are so extremely lucky that he had this is that he wasn't only a great economist which would have been successful enough in its own right to make a huge difference in civilized society. He wasn't simply a great historian where his work alone if you if he never wrote man economy and state and he just produced his economic history that would have been good enough. It's not just him as a political theorist where he would have held himself up as an original political contributor to Libertarian ethics. I mean you talked to scholars in Poland and Rothbard as a political philosopher is treated alongside Locke and the other greats within the just traditions very very fascinating there. But he wasn't content to simply being a armchair intellectual. No matter how great he was at that he was always interested in constantly identifying how do we how do we how do we find new markets for our ideas. And recognizing that the markets are not simply only going to be intellectuals and scholars but it's going to be political activists and radicals and I mean this is a guy that you know I mean he was willing to hang out with like smelly hippies. In the 1960s you know cranking out radical propaganda with a typewriter because he thought that this was an opportunity to get you know more and more people consuming Mises consuming. You know that the core work there I think there's something incredible about that willingness to do so he can keep it cost him professionally because of that but it's also why he's so well read today. And so one of the things that Rothbard was so good about was obviously constantly trying to to look at intellectual coalitions ideological coalitions right. So if when when war the Vietnam War was big area right he reached out to the left when concerns when when cold after the Cold War right and you had the old right trying to bring back in trying to reverse some of the the expansionist militarism of the Cold War era. He reached out to Pat Buchanan the old right. I think trying trying to to figure out you know there's so many different arguments that we have within our portfolio we've heard arguments about income inequality. We've heard arguments about human prosperity we've heard arguments about social cooperation there there's all these different types of moral arguments that are going to work with certain different audiences than others. Trying to to take the specific arguments and appeals and identifying you know what is the area of society that is not the it requires the level of entrepreneurship but I think it's the willingness to to change our approach within the confines of the tradition. We don't discarding the tradition but trying to identify different types of arguments that have different types of emotional appeals that I'll go back to a desire for for your society. I think it's something that can't stay stagnant it kind of requires constant working and I think I think the more that you can read from Rothbard's articles on political strategy as a field itself I think that it's a great catalyst for trying to think about this in modern society. One other way to emulate Rothbard in this respect is to look at the way he read so hopefully you've had a chance to flip through some of his books. He was not just like skimming. He was he was not just you know taking all of this all these ideas and just sort of like shrugging your shoulders yeah he was. If you look in the margins of his books there's X's everywhere there's check marks everywhere sometimes there are things that are worse than an X right. So he was he was constantly evaluating what he was reading he wasn't just reading a lot which he did do but he was also thinking critically about everything that he was reading and and and trying to relate it to the Misesi and paradigm that he had he had inherited so so don't don't just don't let your eyes sort of glaze over while you're reading constantly evaluate ask is this true if it is true why is it true so ask those sorts of questions while while you're doing the reading. I'm going to add on one more point just just to just maybe some more like applicable like applicable knowledge as well is in terms of like answering that question like trying to move Liberty forward and applying it to your own career. One recommendation I have is that continuously evaluate yourself and where you're at in your in your career like are you at a are you in a position that you're you're not growing and if you're not then keep looking. I mean the reality right now with with our generation is that unless you keep job hopping unless you keep moving getting new jobs and continuing to interview and essentially you know look out for your own interest. You will stagnate and so one thing I would recommend especially in terms of moving Liberty forward you know is you know is keep moving keep moving up in whatever industry you're you're in. And find industries or find companies that are passionate about the same things you are my husband he works for a you know a crypto a crypto hosting company and he goes to work and you know while there's always going to be like office drama. But he comes home and he loves what he does and he you know he not only does he love what he does but he feels like he's making a difference in the greater like Liberty movement and and he and he's an IT guy and so he's not economist so really I just want to encourage each one of you. You know if you don't go into academia go into industry and continue to apply those principles and get into positions where you know you can make effective change. So this question is primarily directed at though but what advice would you have for any sort of upstart content creators whether they are podcasters or live streamers like on YouTube or video essayist or writers on substack. Like would you have any like in order to gain I guess traction or in order to make their work more concise like what would you be what would be your advice for that. I think providing. Yeah I think identifying small niches on the margin where content is not being provided so I think one of the mistakes that I have to see you know the reason why there's so many Libertarian podcasts and very few of them are worth listening to is because like there's everyone's interested in giving the Libertarian perspective on X, Y and Z right. And it's the first and foremost like if you're 20 years old like your perspective is not that interesting to begin with. And so and then it's the content so general that at that point you have to rely upon either you know perhaps edgy humor. You know maybe there's a way offsetting it with some sort of technological advancement maybe you can create some sort of optics you have a great voice or something like that. There's ways perhaps of distinguishing yourself within sort of that generic content but but I think it's difficult to find I you know if you have that confidence in it and you're going to be fine on your own right. So I think what's better off is to try to identify specific niche thing and it could be something as simple as you know taking plural analysis and applying it to your state it could be finding an interesting country. You know I could be you know sports economics is sort of a field of study that that I think has opportunities within the Austrian school to apply. So so finding something there but we're trying to find a unique novel area that is is not relying upon giving the hottest Libertarian X take on X, Y and Z. That would be my my suggestion for prolonged success is not that you can't have some sort of viral you know banger of a tweet go off and have some some viral aspect from that that's that's possible. I think in terms of best likelihood for sustained success is it's having a very defined niche little market that you can build on and you build like a respectability from kind of specializing within a field. So I dislike reading the news just because I find it depressing. How how would I or what would your advice be for someone to get better at reading the news without being black build for lack of a better term. That's a good good question. I said that's the problem is that zero hedge is very entertaining but like you know six months of zero hedge and running for the exits. Yeah I mean it's it's I think I think something that's important is to have real life people in your that you can talk to about it. Because if it's so easy I think to feel sort of isolated and alienated if the only means by which you're having these sort of conversations as sort of you in a digital device. You know I think I think religion helps within this right I think that in terms of dealing with the difficulties that exist within a fallen world which we are all kind of kind of the underlying catalyst for all this. I think finding something and I think I think some people find a kind of a religious devotion to libertarianism as well right so I you know I don't I'm not trying to I'm not trying to project necessarily that you know you go join your presbyterian church. You know I think that the most happy warriors even someone like Walter Block like he has you know almost a religious like I'm convinced you have a dedication to you know this is something that will win in the end right it's Christianity without Christ in some ways. But but I think I think that helps right you need those those those happy pills, but that having people with that you can talk to within it that you can respect you know I because it is I mean this is the. This is the burden that we have is that we are trying to to battle the most powerful government entity that has ever existed in a society that seems helpment on destroying itself. With all of the financial interest at play, apparently dedicated to the eradication of the human race I mean this is not a. This this this is not a battle that should be taken lightly and I think that that it is important to take this stuff. Mises and Rothbard was successful because they took this stuff seriously. And I think all of us have a obligation to do the same. So to add to that I I said earlier this week that I think being plugged into the news 24 seven as a revolt against nature. And the reason why is we I don't think we are designed to to be aware of everything that's happening in the world because the end result is you will just be blackpilled you will just will be very depressed about everything that's going on. So I don't think we I don't think we have the capacity to be aware of of every scene every single thing that's happening. And so the way I approach it is I I do have a few new sources that I go to but I don't I don't go to them every day and just read everything. What happens is I get wind of some event happened or some new new policy is being started and I will I will research that in particular and go go look at things that are being written about that topic. And I suppose to just sitting down in my chair and pulling up ABC News every every morning or something like that. Benefits that come with specialization is that like following your county commission right you're going to get a lot less depressing material than if you're concerned with you know the state of the military industrial complex right. So the more you specialize the more you're going to get a lot it's going to be more boring but it will be a lot less depressing so that's something else to think of. I think that's all the questions for now. Feel free as students to come in ask us personal questions like we are all of us Mesa staff we are here to kind of be mentors to you. We're happy to you know help guide you if you have you know if and once Mesa's you is over more than anything else we want to continue to be a resource now that you are have gotten through you know gotten through this week. You're now Mesa's you alumni and that means that not only do we want you back and we want you to continue coming to our events. 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