 everybody. Hello. Yeah, we are here for the reveal of Jarrett Ross. He's excited, can't you tell? And here today, if you don't know who you're talking to, I'm Mindy. I'm a wikitree team member staff, as is Aowen and Julie. And then Jarrett is our guest star that we're doing the reveal for. Yeah, I'm going to say it because Mindy won't say it for herself, but she just officially became a wikitree team member last week. So we're very excited to have her on board. Happy to have her. And then Julie, did you want to go ahead and tell everybody what the challenge is all about? I'd be glad to. So some of you here may not know what wikitree is. So I'm going to give you a little overview of wikitree and we'll talk about what we do here. We're basically a community of genealogists. We work together on a single family tree. In other words, when we collaborate to grow an accurate global tree that connects all of us, and the best part about wikitree is that it's free. The wikitree challenge that you're seeing our reveal for today is our year-long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week we bring together a team of wikitreers and they take on a genealogy guest star's tree and collaborate to make more accurate and more complete than anywhere else on the internet. So our goal is to improve our accuracy on wikitree, add more family and connections, and make more friends. So if you haven't subscribed yet to our channel, please take the time now to do so so that you can stay up to date on the challenge and you won't miss out on any of our video updates. We do a lot of them. Yes, we do. And I'm going to go ahead and tell you a little bit more about how the challenge works. We have the wikitree challenge, like she said. We have two ways to get points during that. There are the big points, bounty points, 10 points each for any brickwall ancestor or correcting a mistaken ancestor on the primary or the other person's tree. We also have individual points that people can get and that's for adding nuclear families, so siblings, children, and those points really do actually add up. And then while we're doing this, we need to find ways to collaborate because that is a huge thing, and that's what wikitree is all about anyways. But let me tell you how we do that. On the left hand side, you'll see the spreadsheet. We use that so that people, whether we have 25 people, 45 people, that's a lot of people working on a small amount of branches can go in and say, hey, I'm working on this profile, that way somebody doesn't come in and they don't lose their work. Now on the right hand side, you'll see the G2G posts. That's our genealogist to genealogist forum. And we go ahead and we post out a new post for each week, there's Gerrits, and that way people can go and say, hey, I broke this brick wall or I have a question about this or, you know, can somebody look at this? And it's one of our ways to communicate. But now the biggest way is actually with Discord. And that is our live chat. So this is where we go in and we can say, hey, I need a translation on this or can somebody look at this? I need a second set of eyes. We have people that go ahead and look up obituaries, newspaper articles. We have people that just love to write biographies. So they go in and they do that. Other times we're just cheering each other on. It's good motivation. And now for this week, you'll see this is what our top five wound up as and our most valuable player MVP. Eighth, Ben Howe has worked so hard. We have her in first place. We have Maddie Hardman in second. Jamie Errington was in third. And you know what? At the last minute I crept up to fourth and didn't even realize I was on the first seat. So I apologize people. I got caught up. And then in fifth place, of course, Isabel Martin. But we had other people that were just as equally hard this week. Yeah. Do we know? They all deserve a hand. I was going to say, do you know who number six is? Just so I know who you bumped. Let me look because it changed earlier. It was Donna. And actually Donna Bowman was our top player last week. And she was really high up in the score until that last bit. And she wasn't able to get on and make points today. So yeah. So I said, where could I help? And they said, go there on an accident. I made points. That was that was all right. But everybody once again did really well. And you know, as Jared knows, your tree challenged us. Your branches were incredibly difficult. And your brick walls were actually really solid brick walls. Now everybody, including Jared, you guys, if you're researching of any kind or doing other things, it's so hard to get back to your own research. So you know, we know there are things that he would have found on his own. How do you have the chance? But you know, here we were and we were offering it up. So let's go ahead and take a look at a few things that we found. Now this one on the David Goldberg line, we had, and this is speculation, but one of the team members spent an immense amount of time analyzing this line and said that he thinks that Shlomo Zalman Goldberg is not the father of David Goldberg, but is his uncle. And he left quite quite a few research notes too, Jared, so you can check those out. And then the other thing that was different on that one is that David's mother turned out to be a Bertha, not a Malca, which was on the primary tree that we were looking at. But he did do a lot of work, you know, looking through the tombstones and stuff that were in the cemeteries. And for those things, it's really nice to have people that are knowledgeable about the headstones and what they say, because I had no clue, you know, but that we have people that do. And so hopefully, his notes on that will help you the next time you get to go back in and research that particular person. Beautiful work on them. He wrote a whole catalog for you here. Yeah, I see he's going into it. So yeah, that's going to be great to go into. Yeah, that's one of the nice things that that wiki tree has is we have that beautiful white space. You know, we can write that narrative, bring them back to life, we can put the stickers up to show you, you know, a little puppet information, what they're notable for, if they migrated. And then we have that space to put those research notes. So even if you don't get back to it for six months, you can go back at six months and go, Oh, that's right. Lewis wrote this about it. And this is what I wanted to look into. So I just love that about the notes. Okay, we're going to hit on our next one. And you'll see pretty soon why I find this humorous. But we didn't find anything on the Rosenberg wine. So we kind of hijacked this slide. Okay, Lauren, I hijacked it. But the parents and this actually was late breaking news. It's just got done not too long ago. The parents of Raphael Montesinos were found to be Moses Montesino de Mosquita, which was interesting change, and Raina, the Ooziel Cardoso. And I know you have the two Montesino lines on there. So yeah, I think there's a Levi Montesinos. Right. And you have, yeah, the one that's Raina's and the one that's what's her name. I'm going to draw a blank on it at any rate. I know you have the two, but only one of the lines wound up with the with the Mosquita at the end of it. So it'd be interesting to see if we wind up with, you know, a common ancestor on those two separate lines. But it was fine to find a, you know, actually have some brick walls go down. Oh, yeah. Okay. And for the next one, we have the Pearl Waxman line. Oh, I know. Yeah, the migrating ones. And this, this spurred a lot of conversation over whether the name was Waxer or Waxman, or, and actually if you look on my J.R.R. iPolyn site, it's Waxman. So I mean, there's, there's different spellings for it. But here we were looking at how Isaac and his wife, Sory, and their three children, Pearl, Eardale and David, were detained for 10 days. And I don't know if you know this, but it was said that he had poor physical health, even though his health was fine. So yeah. And what the team kind of decided was that most likely because of his age, I believe he was in his fifties, they went, Oh, I wonder if he's going to be able to work and support his family here. And so they, yeah, marked him down as not quite physically able. And he was released after it was appealed. But by that time, the shores, which was the family that was coming to get them, you know, and take them in and help them get settled, had already come and they said, Oh, no, sorry, we can't let him do with you. So yeah, something I really amazing, I have to say is just the other day with the family tree DNA update, it made a match that I hadn't looked at before stand out. And that match is a great granddaughter of Katie shore. Oh, wow. How interesting is that? Yeah. And it's her. She didn't know anything about her family. So now she's learning even more. Because I told her I didn't, I actually hadn't found the migration on my line or hers. So I don't have any of that. See, now you have a story to share. Yeah, they were detained for 10 days before they were allowed to go with the shores. So I mean, the shores must have been pretty important in their life. It was just fun to find out that little bit of information. Wow. Okay, and next we have brick wall alert. We have Isaac Lopez Diaz's father. You knew that was Shlomo Lopez Diaz. But the mother's name was unknown when we started working on the branches. And it turned out that the father married a Judith Moran. So Judith, not an Abigail in 1758 in Bayonne, France. So there is actually the marriage record there that you'll get to look at. And that gave us a better name for the mom, which was fine. Nice. Another one on the Nunez Vosline. And this was really what, yeah, this was one of the more active lines for us. And Raina Montesino's father was known to be Rafael Montesino's. But here again, we didn't have a maiden name for the mother. And it's so hard to find the document sometimes that have them. But the mother's name was Hannah Ramos. Yeah. So we had a name for that. We were able to take that line back further. It was very, very exciting. And most of these, I'll tell you, most of these brick walls honestly came later in the week. It took a lot of research. And there was just some incredible collaboration going on while people, you know, gotten groups and just tore the records apart. Everybody pulled up their own sources and, you know, tried to find that stuff. It was, it was crazy. Okay. And this one also on the Morris Nunez Vosline. And, you know, I do promise we looked at other lines, but honestly, we just kept coming back to these ones. No, it all makes sense. I totally understand. There's a lot there. Yeah. Now this one was your actually third cousin, twice removed, but Abraham Bueno de Mosquita is a well-known comedian and actor. So he performed in the 60s, 70s, and 80s in the Netherlands and Germany. He was also a Holocaust survivor. When Isaac Nunez Vos was born in 1869, and this is the document on the right, his father went to the registry office, but refused to sign because of his religion. And the two Jewish witnesses did the same. It wasn't Shabbat. The only reason that we could think of is maybe it was the last day of the Rosh Hoshana, the new Jewish New Year. It's, it's possible. Interesting. I actually am in touch with cousins from this line and one of them I just saw posted, Robert Walsh. He's in the chat and he descends from the Bueno de Mosquita line of the Nunez Vos family. Oh, wow. So yeah, if you find anything else out about that, you'll have to throw that information back at us because, you know, it was all speculation on our part, but it was interesting that the document noted that, you know, that they were unable to sign. They were there. They just were allowed to sign it because of religion. Yeah, it's interesting. I've never seen that before. Because I know about in Amsterdam, the civil registers began in 1811. And this I can, I already can tell this is one of the civil registers where there's four on each page. I haven't seen this one. So this is great. Yeah, I've never seen that before. We've got a lot of fun. Okay. So another one. I'm glad you guys found this. Now, you know why I was laughing earlier, though, because they're almost all on the Nunez. That was a busy family. They had good records. We found good stuff on them. This one was really kind of cool, though. This was Yop Nunez Vos and he was your second cousin. He was a resistance man during World War II. He was a founder and later an editor of a covert newspaper. And I'm not sure how you say that. Just het peru. I think I always call it het peru. But I don't know if the Dutch give that to it. So it's probably more het peru. I'll take your word for it. At any rate, he was a founder and an editor of that paper. And in 1942, unfortunately, they found him in his hiding place and watch a ninja. I'm going to just slaughter these places. I don't know. But he did go on to the famous Orange Hotel prison. And he went via the camp Westervork to Sovavork. And unfortunately, he was killed on the 13th of March in 1943. They did name a street in Amsterdam. So, you know, he was well known and he made his presence felt before he went. But those stories are sad to see. Yeah, they're there. I'm sure a lot of people realized very quickly there were a lot of relatives of mine who were murdered in the Holocaust. Many had so be born in Auschwitz. Yeah. Okay, now this one is not a cousin. But let me tell you, the team tried so hard to connect to him this week. And that was Samuel Sarfati. So that was like a big focus. And a lot of people put a lot of time into it. Now, they did get you close enough to be 12 little steps away from them. And, you know, the more cousins families that you fill out these nuclear relatives, the closer you can sometimes be. So you may wind up being closer than 12 steps or you may find a relation later on. But for right now, this is what they can find. And for people that don't know, this was a doctor and health advisor for the city of Amsterdam and just hugely, hugely important. He was the main reason that children's deaths dropped so rapidly in the 19th century. And he organized a garbage cleaning service, a bread factory, much more. You know, back before he started making his information known, the water that they drank out of was the same water that their sewer went into was the same water that they dump their trash in. So, you know, and then not only that, but he was a big proponent of hand washing, which we know now is important, you know, but back then they really didn't. And so that just shows you and you'll get to see this a little bit closer, you know, after this is all over. But that shows you how to get from you to him. Awesome. I saw that his mother was a Moussifia. And I did, I know I dissent from the Moussifia. And I think I dissent from the Sarfati line too, somewhat distantly. So, I'm sure he's some sort of cousin of mine in some way. Yeah. Like I said, I think as those branches continue to fill out, you'll find that connection. Yeah. Now, this one here is where you were talking about. Oops. Thank you. I didn't have it all the way up. I could see it. The Holocaust was, you know, and of course, that's tragic and everybody knows, but you know, there's no way of getting around it. It's just part of what was there as history. And one of our team members, Maddie, spent countless hours going through and she put over a hundred Nunez voss, just that name, into the, that were in the concentration or the extermination camps, into a category. So if you haven't figured out how to look at categories, I'm like, I'm sure you'll want to do that. And you'll see everybody that's in that category, but she personally put in over a hundred people, you know, and just she was really, really humbled by it and said it just really put life into perspective. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's actually a focus of mine when I did my research on this Dutch line of mine. And I ended up making a graph out of it because I've found over 4,000 descendants of the oldest Nunez voss I had in Amsterdam. And of those 4,000, 1,000 of them were murdered in the Holocaust. But that would be beyond just those that had the Nunez voss name, but all of those that descended from him. And I created a graph that I share every once in a while after Laura Diamond gave me the idea she did the same thing for her family. And it really, it's quite tragic how, how massive it really was. Yeah, it really is. Okay. And next, and this was something also, you know, that just kind of got added in at the end, you know, but while looking at the records, we try and find the interesting stories. And sometimes we find the stories first, and we find the person that belongs to later. So this one wound up being another cousin of yours. And, you know, it's great. And once again, in discord, and I had started working on something and found some information. And then I had to go off to do something else. And I said, Hey, does anybody know if this line is going to connect with those other Montesinos? And somebody jumped right on it. And they were like, I don't know, let me find out. And they started building it back and they did find the connection. So on the left hand side is where they descend. And on the right hand side, there's that you're matching ancestors in the green box. That's who you come down from. And what was interesting is that they were somebody that were later really, really well known for their, their chips and their ice cream sales at the open market in Amsterdam. And I got a whole little mini lesson, which was cold, like on how they flee markets out there. And somebody showed me pictures of some people just laid stuff out on the ground, you know, it wasn't even in a, you know, in an official booth or anything. And so I guess at that time they caught him selling legal goods that didn't belong to him. So some stolen items. And they had, the jail had gotten full. So they locked him up with several other people just in the police station because they didn't know what to do with them. So they had to just lock the doors to the police station. So one of them was, there was a Mr. Kuiper that they got for stealing a Mr. Cotton because of embezzlement. And then of course, Mr. Montesino, Rafael Montesino for selling stolen stuff. That's cool. Yeah, you'll have the link to that on the profile of the actual, you know, where the police report is of the people that were arrested that day. It was kind of fun. Now this one is one where they found some inconsistencies and they were really hoping to get all of this solved on the Jenny Epstein line and unfortunately couldn't. And the parents' names, it was the father's name that was a difficulty. And they were really hoping to find gravestones that would give a little bit more. But because some of the names are so common there, you know, they couldn't definitely nail it down to one thing or another. Now one of the things that was pointed out, you know, was the Ashkenazi Jews not naming their children after life people. And so Meyer couldn't be a son of a Meyer. And I, I mean, you'd be the one that knows about this. I mean, I've read that the practice of using a deceased member's name does hold true in a lot of places. But there are places where the Sephardic Jews do choose to name their children after living relatives. So, Yeah, Sephardic Jews had different naming customs, especially in the different communities that they had, especially when it comes to surnames. So like in Amsterdam, it makes it easy because Nunes Vaz, well, their children will be Nunes Vaz and their kids will be Nunes Vaz. But if they were in the Jamaican community, Nunes Vaz marries, Madison Capriles, and then the kids are Vaz Capriles instead of Nunes Vaz. But then for the first names, they, it'll be at least in Amsterdam, the first son will be named after the father's father, the first daughter. Yeah. But with Ashkenazi, the custom is usually to not name it after a, someone who is deceased. But it is possible that his father died before he was born. That was kind of the thought that I always had was maybe his father died before he was born. And that's why he would have been named Meyer. But yeah, that's a, it's a very good point to have there. Definitely been a learning experience. I learned something every week while we're doing this. Yeah. Somebody else spent some time working on the Alliance colony and I don't know how much he looked at that. Oh, I've been to Alliance many times. Oh, well, that's good. See, you can tell us all about it. For people that don't know, many families had recently fled Russia. And some of those stopping in New York first lived in crowded areas. The community at the Alliance colony thrived for several decades, but eventually diminished as people moved on. And it was hard to make a living there. But Jacob and Rebecca Ecoff with their son Marcus were listed among the first settlers. So somebody has made a space page on that and you'll link to that too. So you can see the work she did. I was hoping to want to make a space page on this topic. I actually, I host a Facebook page on the Alliance colony for descendants. We have over 400 people on the group and we had an Alliance colony descendant reunion a few years ago and over 600 people attended. Wow. So I actually, I got records from people who descend from those in this list. I know the majority of this list of the, it shows 44. The numbers change kind of around. You probably saw a few numbers, but I know descendants of almost the majority of the families. Wow. Wow. That's awesome. That's a great piece of history. Yeah. And I like, I like how they're sourcing Jana Persky's website because she's done a lot of research on this too. Well, and when you get ahold of all this, Jared, you can come back and flush out this space page even more and add to what's here. If you have additional information that would make it helpful and share it with your Facebook group. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the other things that we did try and do, you know, because you had mentioned that you had so many little breadcrumbs out there, little videos and, you know, your, your regular blogs and different things to look at. So we did try and reference those as we could, or at least mark them as a citation on the profile because we want everything to be as complete as possible and accurate. So that way, you know, if you did a video on it, people should know you did a video on it and that link should be on the profile. We tried. Now, here on the ECAF line, you know, Jacob, he was a great grandfather. He was a farmer in that Alliance colony. He registered for the draft but had an unstable heart. He married Mary Casino and started working with his cousins, the Mills brother, and you probably know this too. He was a sales manager for 30 years. He moved to New York to be closer to the company. But one of our other team members really got excited about this, and she actually started a space page just about music of the times. And so, you know, he is featured on that page as other people as she find other people that were relevant during that era. She's going to add them, but he will remain an integral part of that space. So wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, Mills music is such an amazing story, especially because so much of the music today and what's developed came out of what they were doing. So, I mean, you can see a lot of the names like Louis Armstrong, but they did stuff like Dizzy Gillespie, Cap Callaway was one of their big ones in the beginning. And their biggest one was Duke Ellington. That was kind of like to really help them get out. So, but they did a lot of stuff. And then actually on this line, I hope I'm not jumping ahead and doing something you're going to say, but a cousin of mine from this line, he's the one who brought the rights of the chicken dance to the United States. You can thank the Mills family for the chicken dance. Not that my girls and I have ever done a chicken dance time and time again. I can almost guarantee someone out there is now googling Mills chicken dance. We're going to find some articles about my cousin Stanley Mills. Oh, that is so awesome. Oh, that's hilarious. Okay, in this, we're just looking at more conversation going on, looking at the Portuguese Israelite synagogue in Amsterdam and pictures there. It's just a beautiful place. And I tell you, I was just waiting with bated breath for somebody to finally link up to one of your Portuguese ancestors and we just could not get over those Netherland walls. We just couldn't. I mean, I was tempted to kind of go around one and, you know, research anyways, but if, but if you can't get the line solid and make sure you have the location, you know, yeah. And the names were so difficult to because they had aliases and nicknames and, you know, in Portugal, they were one name because they were, you know, pretending to be Christian. And then, yeah. So, but as Noga, which is what the synagogue is called, I, it's one of the things that when I finally go to Europe, I have to go there. I have to go to Amsterdam and see a snoga. Yeah, it just absolutely looks beautiful. And once you get past the rest of those brick walls, you know where to find me. I'm like, you train out because we're going to do some of the Portuguese people. All right. Here we're showing the brick wall chart. And I almost didn't with you, but I'm going to anyway. You'll get a full size copy of this. Everywhere where the yellow is, is where, of course, there was an available brick wall when we started. And that's what I use for my tracking. And of course, on yours, it's just so close up. You know, some people at some of the guests, it's really far out. Some at staggered. A lot of yours is really close just because those records, as you know, are just so difficult to find and, you know, determine. Yeah. So we did have one little spot there where you can see the pop out and the little bees are where we broke brick walls. So you'll get that. So you might see where your brick walls were. But they really were clustered in that same area that you've already found some amount of research on. We just hope that we're bringing you enough new information and other names and really good trails to future research. Wonderful. So how do you think we did? Did we at least meet what your expectations might have been during the week? I mean, I'm pretty excited. I was very hopeful that some brick walls would break down. But I know how difficult it is because you're going up against some really solid brick walls on my tree. Just, you know, dealing with Jewish records, you have the difficulties of the language changes and the name changes. But then you also have the difficulty of those records just not being readily available and searchable. So I mean, I'm absolutely excited. I was very happy to see that it looks like someone found the migration records for the Waxman family, which I was very surprised to see. I did see in one of the conversations, someone also found the birth for Abraham Nunes Vaz, which I had mentioned before. I wasn't quite sure if it was in London or Amsterdam. And I'd never found it in the GRO records. And I saw someone found it. And I think what threw me off was the robelace name was spelled R-O-O-B-L-A-S from what I just saw in your little presentation. So it was like, you know, I'm super excited because I'm sure there's going to be a lot of stuff that I didn't find before that will just, you know, it's going to give me that boost. And sometimes that's, you know, like I said before, sometimes that's what just that is a benefit. You know, we've got five different people that can look at a record and go, oh, we're all going to search now, you know. And so everybody gets their own resource, the site that they like, everybody spells it a little bit different to see if they can come up with something surprising. And, you know, we do put the links to the actual documents where they're available on the, on your branches, on the profiles for you. So as you flip through to see what we've learned and look for that new information, you'll get surprises like that really cool, you know, actual images of the records. Awesome. Does anybody have questions? Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm reading through some of the comments. There was one. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, I saw it was mentioned that there's just so much in the Amsterdam archives that there's no time to go through it. And I agree, you could probably spend months going through the Amsterdam archives, just going through inventory 334 for the Portuguese community, the Portuguese Jewish community is a task upon itself. But then once you get to the, the notorious records in the Amsterdam archives, plus the catubas, and then the civil registers, and then all of the other fun little stuff that they haven't hidden there. Because in the Amsterdam archives, they have digitized letter correspondences between random people in the 1700s. And it's just like, there's so many crazy little things hiding in there. So I totally understand where they're coming from. And I was, I was dropping little hints every now and again in different places like, Hey, have you found this? Yeah. Yeah, trust me, those all, those all went in a discord. Somebody go, Oh, he just tweeted again. I was messaging, I was messaging Laura a couple of times with different things like, Oh, I forgot about this family story. Let everybody know. I did see Karen asked if any of your Portugal Amsterdam folks went to the Caribbean. Yes. So actually for the Nunes Vaz family, one of the biggest things that I've focused on in researching that is DNA. And there are four branches of the Nunes Vaz family. There's the Amsterdam branch, whichever one's been researching, the Livorno branch, which the Amsterdam branch traces back to Livorno, but we haven't connected them confidently yet. And then there's the Jamaican branch, and then there's the Suriname branch. And we've proven with descendants using YDNA that the Jamaican branches and the Dutch branches are definitely the same family. And then we're trying to do that with the Italian branch and hopefully the Suriname branch. But a lot of the members that were in Jamaica, they went over to Curaçao. Some of them actually went to Venezuela, where a few of them still live. And I mean, I'm in touch with peasants from all of these branches too. So it's like, I don't know, but yeah, it's, it's, we have a lot of family that went to the different areas in the Caribbean. Very cool. Yeah, I see it. Chris asking Italian branch A and yes, and if you actually look in Livorno, so they spell it Nunes Vaz, N-U-N-E-S-V-A-I-S. And in Forens, there's a Villa Nunes Vaz, which has connected to Mario Nunes Vaz, who is the famous painter. So Chris, take a look at the Nunes Vaz family in Italy, and I'm sure you will like, you'll be surprised how much Italian family I have out there. You have a lot of notables in your family, Jared. I was wondering what stories are they going to choose, because I have just, just looking at my ancestors. I, they did so many amazing things, you know, the middle side with music, but then also I have a lot of cousins and film or my ancestors were in film and their own theaters and my, on my dad's side, my great-grandfather owned the Ross House in Germantown, which is now the Commodore Berry Club for anyone who's in Philadelphia. So yeah, there's so many stories. And then getting into my cousins, oh my gosh, I actually want to do a series called My Cousins Are Cooler Than Yours, and each person will be about one of my cousins and how I'm related. And I mean, I could do that for so many different things. That's awesome. Yeah. So I see some, I see Thomas asked a question between the newest fathers, Amsterdam families and the Mendez and Santo families. I don't know of one. It's certainly possible though. Sounds like a potential rabbit hole to me. Yeah. Yeah, there's what you can do is there's actually the Ondetra registers in Amsterdam. And if there was a marriage between Anunas Vaz and Amendez Monsanto, you might be able to find that or in the Beth Haim records, which I actually linked just a few days ago. That was my, the tweet that said, you know, surprise inside. Yeah. And those have been great. And I found a couple of sites that have those. And once again, I tell you, we've learned so much. And those of us that never ever researched Netherland before, we're learning all about the different sites and we're getting all kinds of practice. So it's been a lot of fun. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah, I thought the records are so good. Say that again. Their records are so good there. Oh my gosh. Plus the law is that they have to, any government records that are digitized and available have to be available for free. They can't charge for it. Very cool. So I'm not even, I don't know the name of the law, but I know the translation is the law of reuse of government information or something like that. Wow. We're all a little jealous over here in the United States. Yeah, we are. Yeah. I'm sure all those already on the Dutch, on the Dutch part of the tree on Wickey tree already know all of that. But I'm sure this was a very nice change because the Portuguese records in Amsterdam are just a little different, but they still kind of overlap the same with typical Dutch records. So, oh, Melanie worked on my tree. Yes. Oh, that's great. I've hung out with Melanie at Roots Tech a couple of times. So next gen. That's great. I love it. Yeah, we've got a couple of future guests that have joined in on the fence so far. Nice. Yeah, they're awesome. So anybody doesn't have any excuse me, let me start that over again. Nobody has any other questions for Jared. We have another guest showing up next week that we'd like to introduce to you. His name is John Boran. John is a full time professional genealogist and founder of the Dutch company and to Sedentia. He holds degrees in archival studies from the Hague Law, excuse me, the Hague School for Archivists and he has a degree in constitutional law and history from Tilburg University. He became a full time genealogist and before that he worked as the manager of the services and education department at the Tilburg Archives. He frequently lectures on genealogical methods and focuses on Dutch records and then he teaches courses in genealogy as well. And we have a video from John since he couldn't be here this evening and we'll let him tell you a little bit more about himself. Hi there. This is John from the Netherlands. I'm so excited and honored to be this week's guest in the wiki tree challenge. Please forgive me that I'm not here for the live kickoff. It's 2 a.m. in the Netherlands and I'm in my bad sleep. You signed up for working on my family tree. I started with my family history in 1988 at the age of 14. My grandfather's youngest brother was showing me a piece of paper with the names of his parents, aunts and uncles and from that moment on I really wanted to know more about my own family. One of the brick walls that I've been facing for the last 20 years is the first Boeren family that lived in Merele, a small place in the northern part of Belgium. This is where Jacob Hendricks, Petronimix, no surname and his wife Yenneke lived. They were both buried in the local church, one in 1687 and one in 1688. Their grave still exists. They had three sons born in 1660, 62 and 64, but I never found their marriage records and therefore I have no idea where they were born or who their parents were. During the search for my ancestors, one of them drew my attention, Maarten van Leeuwen. He was born in 1794 and died in 1889, yes, 94 years old. He fought in the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 and fortunately he survived because otherwise I would not have been here. Twice he saved a church from burning down. The first time was in 1817 in Belgium and the second time was in 1859 in his own hometown, Lone Absent. For his heroic achievements he received three medals from the Dutch king. One of the lines that I would like to know more about is the Heffels family. Anna Maria Heffels was the mother of my great-grandfather whose portrait you see behind me on the wall. I know her grandfather was a Henrikus Heffels who was born in 1766 and died in 1807. I know very little about this family who lived as far as I know in Utrecht. Another blind spot is the Knap or Knaup family. I'm a descendant of Johann Georg Knaup, which sounds very German, but he was supposedly born in Namur, Belgium, in the 1770s. He died in Sechtogenbosch in 1833 and married a Joanna Semmeling who came from Maastricht. More information about the Knaup or the Semmeling family would be a perfect gift. I never published a lot of my family history online. There is only a small portion of my pedigree on WikiTree. This indicates that I have not used WikiTree a lot. Sorry guys, but this also means that you get the opportunity to add a lot of new details. Good luck to all of you who are participating and enjoy this challenge and see you all next week. Bye. Bye. That was great. I know it was. I know there's going to be an interesting week again. People that are already excited to be starting this and Melanie says, John is super kind. He's very active on Twitter. He is a very nice man. Wonderful. We find a lot of great things for him. And everybody stay tuned for next week where we'll be introducing Lewis Kessler. I want to thank everybody for the participants, for doing all the hard work that you did. Thank Jarrett for letting us work on his branches and being here tonight. My pleasure. Absolutely my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you to everybody who worked on the tree in some way, writing stories, finding records, putting in pictures, all that stuff. I really appreciate it. Did you see that, Jarrett? Melanie, I wish I had more time. I don't know, maybe, maybe one of these weeks I'll be able to take some time off. Well, we'd love to have you if you can. Every little bit helps. You know, you don't have to be there full time. Every little bit helps. Oh yeah. Okay. For all our viewers out there, you can check us out on wikitree.com. Subscribe to get alerts and we'll say good night for the evening. Good night, everybody. Good night.