 Welkom back. This is why in the morning. My name is Ram Magukko Iwaroli. Iwaroli you are just joining us. You are just in time for of course the next part of this conversation. It's all about youth and politics today with Meshako Chenon Kalebi Kenyan joining me in studio. Before we went on that break we were talking about democracy and of course there is the 44 billion Kenyan, a whooping 44.2 billion Kenyan shillings that is going to be used for this coming election. Taxpayers money is going to be used and of course Kenyans need to know this kind of things and of course be part of this conversation. The hashtag is why in the morning at Ram Magukko at Y254 channel do you agree with what Meshako is saying? Do you agree with what Kalebi is saying? Of course we shall sample your feedback a bit later on. Let's wrap this conversation up. You are saying something before we went on that break. I'll give you time to have a final word in regards to that particular issue before I move to the next story. So briefly I will just say this that this year's election is not expensive. If I compare 2022 elections with 2017 elections, 2017 elections in the first round I think it took 40.9 billion and the rerun cost us 12 billion. So it was more expensive than what we are perceiving this year. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to insist that the election can even be more expensive but provided there is transparency there is a clear indication that democracy is in play. And for this year we have even seen more agencies coming up. The corruption effect is on play this year and that's why we are seeing more leaders being subjected to investigation. And this something that also needs financing. We also need agencies like the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission. They also need financing to ensure that they have election malpractices in accordance to the elections act of 2011. And this something that is in relation to what we have been talking about. I think so quickly I would love to correct something that is said. In 2017 we did not have a rerun. The Supreme Court of Kenya said conduct a fresh. Fresh means a new election in line with the constitution and all applicable laws. So we had a repeat election and that is why that election was so expensive. It is another thinking for somebody to compare a 2017 election and a repeat of it with that which has not been done. This is what I'll say. If we need to make elections expensive as they are right now they must be verifiable. That means that when my vote is counted it must be properly recorded and then properly transferred according to constitutional remit and properly announced by a qualified personnel. So that if that is not done then the financing goes into zero. The entire process then goes into the dustbin of history and we have to repeat another election with the same cost. So the cost of this election is not basically on the financing. The cost of it is on the democratic process that it has to go through. Okay. Of course this debate I'm sure it would end today but we shall visit as you proceed. The cost of this election yes over $44.2 billion is it worth it? Is it going to help us? We are looking at matters concerning security even when it comes to public education because civic education Kenyas need to know about this particular process what you need to look out for. It is one issue that of course we shall take a keen interest on but even as you proceed let's move on to the next story. Yes, we talk about a two-host race but other people are saying you know what we have also other contestants who are vying for presidency the presidential candidates argue that there is a poll that you know came out that you know what during this particular elections we are going to have a two-host race and of course between Azimio one Kenya leader Raela Odinga and deputy president William Ruto for the Kenya Kwanzaa Alliance. So last week these polls were taken and of course despite this we have other candidates who have come out and said you know what we are also running we have Safina Patti presidential candidate Jimmy Wanjigi we have Roots Patti presidential candidate Professor George Wajakoya we have other people like Ruben Kigame who is also there and of course they have also come up with the different promises George Wajakoya said you know what we know that some aspirants are thieves that's what he said some aspirants are thieves, liars or whole fake certificates we know that some have made us fight and hate each other but we praise them we take their money, we vote for them this time let's decide on who is the best let's install a government of values and he is saying that we need to legalize BAM he has been training all this time so let's talk about this we always talk about the one Kenya Kenya Lions Kenya Kwanza we talk about democracy what about the people who are vying for presidency that we are not mentioning each and every now and again from my perspective I think democracy has given them the opportunity to present themselves as candidates where the two host race kind of you know tag is coming is the kind of numbers that you are able to macho from all over the country so that you remain the talk of that kind of election and if you see if you look at this election that is facing as we obviously have as Mio and Kenya Lions coalition and UDA which is actually so much popular than Kenya Kwanza unfortunately enough being the front runners because of the kind of numbers they are able to macho country wide UDA more popular than Kenya Kwanza yes according to the poll UDA is part of Kenya Kwanza yes and it's more popular than Kenya Kwanza you need to read that UDA's party was more popular than the coalition itself so I mean just to come back on what I was saying so it is basically because of the numbers that they are able to macho from all over the region and that is where they remain a two host race we are not saying the rest are not bringing numbers that are able to shake anything and especially where you have 48 presidential aspirants I mean that's a very big big number but again it really comes back to numbers like we normally say so as a Mio and Kenya Lions and you know KK are able to bring on board a lot of numbers ok my word will be this you must qualify to be a host but for now others are calves and the reason as to why I am saying this is that is a no in terms of I am not aspiring to be a president but that is my perception of things are they the cows that Junaan Muhamed was referring to in parliament maybe so in this one field I will concede with my brother Meshakia that being a host in my own perception being a host comes with the numbers that you are able to macho and if you don't have the numbers then automatically you don't qualify to if you don't have the numbers how could you be president and one very important aspect that you must consider you may want to become a president saying that I want to become a president is so easy but you must in the words of the late president you must also be able to know where are my love where do I have numbers where do I need to concentrate more energy on instead of just telling us that you want to become president so if we elect you to be president yet your party does not even have grassroot members then you go to parliament which motion will go through that you have conceptualized so it just comes with the numbers that you are able to macho that is what qualifies you to be a host otherwise it's a let me call it if Kalonzo decides to get to the race of which it's like he's not that stable from the other day we hear that he wants to go back to Azimio the other day we hear him unveiling his candidate so it might be a 3-horse race basing on the numbers that you are seeing but not cows the other ones yeah they are not cows I have said they are cows they are horses that is my perception I am waiting for you to say no I will not seek indulgence on that because the issue that I am looking at here is their people their candidates their human beings and their Kenyans is it fair to refer to them as cows? is it also fair to call these other two horses they are also human beings so in relating this matter to a house what is the young one of a house it's a calf therefore if you have no matured numbers then in relating to a house then you are a calf thank you even with the issues of numbers the other thing that I wanted to add is we are getting into presidential debates and we will then realize that the apportioning of those presidential debates is done depending on the numbers that you are bringing on board so obviously you will see Ruto and Rayla will have their own session and then you will have the rest having their own session so that is the entire culmination of a two horse race the numbers it's very very important but there is also something that I wanted to say that is mentioned before finish about the entrance of Kalonzo into presidential ticket first of all that is not even assured right now they still have issues with the registrar of political parties and IBC and all that but even though if he comes as Kalonzo I am not certain whether he is still going to be a horse in the race because he will need Athara campaign between the remaining time but again he will need to prove to us the approval rating of Kalonzo right now is so low his attitude towards politics recently has been so demeaning with a lot of inconsistency this man is the worst inconsistent man Saudansaharan north of Limpopo he did this in 2017 he is even worse ended this year who is going to trust Kalonzo with their vote he is exercising his democratic right democracy does not say you be inconsistent and that inconsistency then takes away some of the vote away from him I mean even within his wukambani backyard I am so sure there are people who look at that kind of inconsistency and say this is not a leader worth leading our region so there is that aspect of if Kalonzo goes for the presidential ticket he might just cause a rerun which again is not even guaranteed infact in this election I don't think you are going to have a rerun but still let me digress a bit because we are coming to Kalonzo side but let's finish the part of the other aspirans because the registrar of political parties are so far clear 38 yes and I am looking at the numbers that these 38 will attract in their different regions we may say they don't have the numbers the way we perceive but it's also a perception of the media the way we are portraying could they also have a place in this particular coming elections they do have a place by the virtue of them presenting themselves for election first of all that is taken care of but I'm telling you these 38 won't even marshal 500,000 votes around the country they are probably going to get 5 or 10 votes I mean this has happened in the past I am drawing my assumptions from his history so we are not going to see 38 drumming up 500,000 votes not really you can you can touch on the Kalonzo issue and the 38 are people that have been cleared by the RPP let me first begin with Kalonzo I'll discourage you from underrating Mr. Kalonzo number one Kalonzo Mosioka in as much as he seems inconsistent he has a very key role to play in the 2022 elections and that is why every single coalition be it the Azimio One Kenya Alliance be it the Kenya Kwanzaa they are trying to woo him to their side because they know that he has an impact to play well, he might not have the numbers to become the president but I think he has the card if you have Kalonzo on your side right now you can be safer because remember we have Karua anyway let's drop it for another day you want to open up another box discuss it on another day I want to give you guys to have a final word about this particular conversation but I'm giving you 30 seconds each let me start with you Kaleb and then I'll finish with you Mashak thank you so much in my parting shot don't look at the election cost try to embrace what is right and what is right is fighting for a transparent and clear election come 2022 moreover the leaders who have your interests at heart don't elect moneylanders don't elect people with whom your resources are not going to be secured don't elect people with whom the future of your generations will come to cry after thank you so much and to Rambuko and to the media station thank you so much and continue empowering youths let the voices of youths be heard thank you so much Mashak I think in this election like any other election we are called to make the right choices I'm a student of history and economics history does not demand that we use a lot to get the right history we just need to get it right at the polling station through voting and we will have restructured our history from a retrogressive kind of nature to a progressive call to all the youth to all the mothers to all the fathers to all the women to every beloved citizen of this country to wake up on the 9th of august and make that key decision that will shift the narrative of our economy the narrative of our leadership and the narrative of our democracy thank you so much that is Mashako Cheno and Kalevi Kenya in this particular conversation on youth and politics thank you so much for coming and honoring the invitation as understand and Ashikuru and of course I want to say a big thank you to each and every one of you that has been part of this conversation but still democracy is an issue that as Kenyans we need to talk about because some Kenyans have not yet registered for the coming elections do you know that is your democratic right we still need to talk about democracy well that business to the end of this morning conversation right here on youth and politics we still have much more coming up my name is Ram Aguko stay tuned to I in the morning