 In this episode of our Engineering Manager 8020 Shorts, I have with me Miranda Patton, a civil engineer turned business development director. Miranda, you've had an interesting career to date. I want to ask you, what has been the biggest shift or career jump for you in your progression? So for me, the, I would say the biggest shift has been from being a designer and project manager and then moving into a marketing and business development role. In engineering, I felt very comfortable, I was secure, I knew how to deliver projects, I knew how to communicate with a client maybe on a one-on-one interface and interaction and shifting over to business development. That was sort of the opening where I saw how the process from finding work, winning work, and then delivering the work, how that all came together. And for me, I think that was the biggest shift.