 Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger, a mystic for any age. Dr. Gabriel Cousins pursued spiritual liberation through holistic medicine and three great spiritual traditions. Torah, Jewish mysticism, Eastern yogic way of life and Native American Sundance traditions, and Dr. Cousins will be with us in just a few minutes. So stay tuned for an amazing show today. I want to thank the sponsors for this show, Dr. Dane here and Access Consciousness. They do beautiful energy work out into the world. And if you're interested in becoming a facilitator or attending one of their online classes anywhere in the world, go to dr. Dr. Dane here, h-e-e-r.com, as well as access consciousness.com. Dare to Dream podcast has been on air for over 13 years and has been nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards and a webby ward. We are consistently ranked in the top 100 best podcasts in all of the USA, in and on Apple podcast, as well as in other countries. Debbie Daschinger is a certified coach whose expertise is visibility in media. She coaches people to write a page-turner book, takes their book to a guaranteed international bestseller, and pulls back the curtain so her clients have the system to be interviewed on media and podcast and get massive results, such as how to find and use media exposure to locate your tribe, fill workshops, sell books, and gain positive exposure. You can connect with Debbie as well as get your free templates and tools so you can start to get booked on media at Debbie Daschinger.com. It's d-e-b-b-i-d-a-c-h-i-n-g-e-r.com. Question. Do you want to know more about Jewish mysticism, eastern yogic way of life and Native American Sundance traditions, and more? My guest is Gabriel Cousins M.D. who is considered one of the world's leading experts and proponents of raw live plant source nutrition. Dr. Cousins pioneered a way to cure diabetes in just 21 days. Dr. Cousins is a four-year Native American Sundancer, an eagle dancer, and an 11-year spirit dancer. Adopted by the Lakota Sioux Horn Ship Clan, he was appointed head of the Yellow Horse Clan. Beginning in 2008, Dr. Cousins began developing diabetes prevention and organic farms programs supported with micro-business loans in 26 different countries. Dr. Cousins is the author of 13 books. He is a holistic physician, psychiatrist, family therapist, rabbi, yogi, spiritual mystic, and vital at any age advocate. He's a physician of the soul. And if you'd like to learn more, go to drcousins.com. That's dr-c-o-u-s-e-n-s.com, as well as treeoflife.mn.co. And I welcome Dr. Gabriel Cousins to Dare to Dream. It's so great to have you here. Debbie, it's great. I love the title, Dare to Dream. So many people are afraid to dream. So wonderful. I love it. Yeah, me too. And not just to dare to dream, but to create the dreams, right? Yeah, right, right, exactly. That's what it means. So it's beautiful. So I'd like to start with the prayer of merging the heavens and the earth and the heart and the mind, because they're metaphors, okay? So here it goes. So just feel the merging of the heart and mind. Feel that what we call hukmahalav, wisdom of the heart. Okay, nice. What language was that? There were times when that sounded like that was Hebrew and there were times it sounded like you were speaking an Indian language. Yeah, it was Hebrew. Hebrew. Just my own accent, okay. That's beautiful. So this is great because I want to harken some into that. But I love what you're about. And I love the quest and the energy that you have and you bring to your work continued and to your life. So let's just start with the fact here you are this good looking guy. And let's just tell people your age because I don't believe anybody would believe it. Let's start there. So my chronological age is 77, okay? And comparatively speaking, I'm getting younger. And I mean that seriously. So when I was captain of an Amherst College football team inducted into the National Football Hall of Fame, when I was seven years old, I could do 70 push-ups and seven pull-ups, 500 sit-ups and so forth. Now at 77, I regularly do 1000 push-ups three times a week, 80 pull-ups. I can hit, I've hit 100, but I do 80. I couldn't even touch my toes as a football player. I could hit about six inches above the ground. Now I put my hands on the ground. I couldn't cross my legs. Now I sit in full lotus for, you know, for hours. So what's the message here? There is a message is that according to our mental state and our spiritual state, we can actually get younger with age. I'm obviously younger, more flexible and stronger, literally eight, 10 times more than when I was a very good athlete at the age of 20, 21. So it's a very positive viewpoint. It's like, oh, my brain can get more flexible, my body can get more flexible because people tend to consolidate and get hard with age in their mind as well as their body. And so it's an important message, a really important message. Will you go a little deeper into that? Gabriel, for people who are listening and are thinking, I would like some of that, please. I'd like to look like him. I'd like to become more flexible. I'd like to feel younger, act younger. I'd like to touch the floor and sit in a lotus position. So can you give us some specifics? What do you do physically and or nutritionally and certainly mind wise to create all of that? I mean, I'll give you some of the math of it, but something happened about 17, 18 years ago. Not that I wasn't doing things, but I was in the middle of an eagle dance. So that's a Native American thing. So there were about 60, 70 sun dancers, eagle dances when you are pierced through your chest for all four days of the dance versus one or two hours. Okay. So you never leave the circle at night. You just sleep on the ground. So on the third day of the dance, it was really hot and difficult for people and everybody had left the field but me. And my Sundance chief said, get going, start really dancing. And then the drummer started going and I just started dancing ecstatically. I just, even though I don't know much about Sundance, let me explain it. You actually have hooks in your chest attached to a tree. Okay. And it's like, I'm dancing aesthetically and something shifted. And it's if I usually at four days, you don't eat or drink for four days, mostly you get a little weaker. I'm getting stronger. What is going on? So there was a mental shift. And on the fourth day, you're supposed to pull back and break. And I didn't just pull back and break, break meaning the hooks out of your chest. Okay. Let's go back. I did a, the people said I did a back to it, but I think I just did a summer self or whatever it was. I had so much energy. So something shifted in my mental state. Okay. And again, I was the only one really of 18 easel dancers to really never leave the circle. And there's a few secrets like you take an element before you do this. You know, I know about this practice you're talking about. Now ask you these hooks. I mean, is it painful? You have metal. Don't you going through that's pulling. Scars. Can you see the scars there? I can. Can you see the scars there? Yeah. Right where my fingers. Yeah. Okay, so what you have is that they, they cut two holes and they put a wood peg about the size of your finger through that. And you're putting those in and then they attach a rope to two ropes, two places like that. For women also do something. They do it on the shoulders. Okay, they do it here. You don't want to be doing it on the breath. No, you don't want to be doing that. And it's sort of, it's wood. Two holes that they cut. Okay. And then you put the wood in again about this thick. And then the rope is tied to it. And then you have two, one on each side. And then when you break, you pull back and then it gets. At the end. Does that answer the question? Absolutely. Yeah. So, but when you're dancing ecstatically, you're not feeling a lot of pain. And for me, for four years, I was the only one to make it without water. Because, you know, if you really need to do it, I'll give you something, but it's a mental state. And so there was a shift that took place now. So I, how do you get stronger each day instead of weaker. It's a spiritual shift. So that's what happened. Now I apply it to my life. So I regularly do yoga. How about six times a week? Okay. What kind of yoga? I'm doing breathing, which we call pranayama. Well, it's called tri yoga. My wife is a yoga teacher. It's called tri yoga. And it's a flowing yoga. Rather than a static yoga, so to speak. So you move from one position into another is always a flow. Okay. Then I do pranayama breathing exercise. By the time most people are 70, it was 50% of the one capacity. Well, that doesn't happen if you're doing breathing exercises. So what I'm saying is a certain intent. You got to work a little harder. So the physical exercise I mentioned the 1000 push ups, the 80 pull ups, sometimes 100, 100 sit ups or 500 sit ups and a variety of other things that you do that I do that just keeps maintaining and expanding strength, flexibility and endurance. It just takes some effort. Okay, it takes some intention. So there's no secret to this. Once you start doing it, it usually takes about two years to get into a higher level of function, you know, where you're sustaining it. So that's kind of what it is. I do a variety of things. I don't really do weights. I work with these very rubber bands and different things like that that they do it, but that's it. There's nothing spectacular about them. No, what adds to it. I'm also on a 100% vegan or plant based diet and I'm about 99% live food. Well, that does actually help. It helps us straight agility balance because with age also people tend to lose their balance. You're a little on the young side. Okay, in my world. Okay, but when people get in their 70s and so forth. There's a tendency so you want to always be working on your balance. So we have different poses and yoga focus on balance as well. I'm not going to go into different poses, but the point is, you have balances important. Okay, if you don't practice it, use it or lose it. This is really what it concerns. So it takes some effort, take some intention, but there's also this thing about getting younger and stronger and more flexible and having more endurance with age. It's a mindset. As well as yes, I'm working hard. Does that make sense when I'm saying, yeah, it's really inspiring without a doubt. I love your zest for life and exploration. I love it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, your latest book. Sorry, we have a little bit of laps going on. Nothing. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for, for thank you technology and COVID, but your latest book, Dr. It's called into the nothing a spiritual autobiography and it talks about you surrendering to the divine urge. I want to start there. What is a divine urge mean to you. So, it's a very good question. No one's asked that question. I love it. Thank you. Manashtana Laila has that the death. Okay, we have, we have a death urge with a sexual urge, right. The divine urge is what I describe in book is the final urge of all creation. The primary reason why we're put here on this planet is to know God. So the divine urge, we call it David Cude Haywood or to God merging and enlightenment are the driving forces of all humanity. Now, does that mean everybody knows that. No, that's not the case at all. If you reach a certain point that becomes the primal urge to return to God. So that's what I'm talking about. Let's say divine urge for the divine beyond sex beyond death, anything. It's the most important reason we're here and at a certain point you're evolution, you actually get it. So in my book into nothing I have a lot of poetry talking about a lot of poems, but the divine urge is the driving force behind spiritual life in which all the spiritual practice is no longer practices. There are a way of life that keeps reinforcing and growing beyond the mind and into the nothing. That's it. Now, I'll go a little further with that. But into the nothing is, is actually literal. So the Torah says, you can't know God live very profound. Most people don't really get it. But what it means is, you go from the nothing, I into kind of the something I saw into the something. Now, what I'm saying is, the nothing part is where you disappear. There's no you. So you can't know God live because there's no you there to be there. So we're born into I am this I am a, you know, I'm a boy I'm a girl or whatever, you know, I'm a teacher I'm okay. That's I am this. Then we have I this, which is pure awareness separate from any identification. The nothing is where the eyedness disappears. So you can have a void. Some couples. Somebody never come to someone but there's a you in the void. This is prior to that there. There's no you. There's no void. There's only the nothing. Actually, if you look at Genesis day one, it's primordial chaos, no form, no time or space. Just primarily okay. That's the nothing. And the nothing actually is no thing is that correct. The nothing meaning the place of all creation. That's right. And may I ask you when you really interesting when you say, good, good, good. The divine urge you say is for us to know God, the reason why we're here. And I'm curious because a lot of metaphysicians say, we are all God, and that we are God becoming a form in order for God to know itself. Is there a difference between God knowing itself through each of us as a form as opposed to us coming to have a life to know God. This is very deep question you just asked. Okay, and there is a different. See, if there's you kind of getting to God or I am one. There's still an eye that's one. This is prior to the oneness. Because I this is still existing in, I feel one with all. Does that make sense that I'm saying, here, there's no I to feel one. There's only that. So it's a deeper state, or actually, you know where you stop existing as a separate items. And then from the Inus, then you move into Inus, then you move the time, space and energy where you have certain form, and so forth. So this is prior to that very few people talk about this but since this is my direct experience over the years, getting more and more into that. Okay, that's how I came into the nothing. I actually the title was initially dissolving into nothing. But they thought that was just a little too heavy. But, but that's what we're talking about. Yeah, you just appear. I love that I, I love that I understand that intimately actually. And do you receive guidance spiritual guidance on a daily basis and if so what form does that take for you. That's a really good question. So there's a metaphor. I don't know if you can see the river behind me on the Russian River can you see the river. Yeah, my God it's beautiful. Yeah. So we have the river of life. Okay. And for me, God speak has spoken when I was four years old. I can't tell you why, but I knew I needed to be a doctor. No one in my family never been doctors. Our family was in the house stock. They were bakers and whatever, you know, and when I was eight I began to have mystical experiences seeing people in white mystics and different mystical experiences happened over time, which kind of took me to this The next direct message is whenever you see Choctipotter the wiki of the Kundalini energy from Swami Muktananda. age 33 1975. And I went into nothing for the really first time in their lives. As I came out, a little voice ring up and said, You should learn to eat and live in a way that supports the Kundalini. But I knew it this okay, really pretty new. It's like, okay, I really need to understand the Kundalini I need to understand the best diet. So for the next seven years, because I was in an ashram type setting, both in India and we're actually South Falls bird which is upstate New York but also in an LA as well. I explored the question. And pretty much came up with my book, you know, my first book, a spiritual nutrition in the rainbow diet, which was a 100% vegan plant based food and well for me 99% live food but I said 80% and that's the diet that best supports the Kundalini. Because meat, fish, chicken, dairy are the energy of death. And one of my other, I had to lose my second one so it's a caution that I would say, When you kill an animal you create fear, misery and pain. When you eat it, you take that into you. And that blocks the flow of the divine energy. So I began, obviously moving in that direction. I wasn't born a vegan. That wasn't outside of Chicago, Chicago Stockyards in the 40s. Forget it, whoever heard of a vegan. Okay, what's that. Okay, so once we get past that. That message came out in 1983 I did a 40 day fast. And at the end of that fast. Again, a little voice ring out and said, go to your roots. And let me ask just for edification so when you say a 40 day fast. Do you mean water only do you mean as a breatharian. Do you mean, what did you intake or not. It was a juice. I've done a 21 day water fast as well. But it was a juice. And that's the kind of fast we do because you have enough energy to deliver. So, at the end, a little voice ring out I was kind of leaving my body to tell you the truth, but the voice come out and said no it's not your time get back in your body and go to your roots. So I began studying Judaism and all the, you know, the cabala and so that there's a little voice that gives that direction at particular times in your life. Now that's a little different than the question you asked. The question you asked is when you're meditating twice a day for an hour or so. Okay, you're constantly getting input from the device. You're constantly, but then there's the, let's say the sentences and capital letters, go to your roots, you know, learn to eat the way it supports going to lead. Does that make sense. So the two levels of that. So we want to communicate with the divine every day, we're getting messages, we're getting aligned with the river of life which is right outside of me about pointing to out there. The key is to bring our well in alignment with the divine. Okay, which, which means, normally, for most people, the ego runs consciously. But as you bow, consciousness runs ego. We need the ego. We, we in India would call a hum car what's the ego it's about your physical body I mean if you didn't have your brain and didn't have your body how are you going to get around how can we do the show. Right. It's not inherently bad. It's when you identify with the ego, then that's where we have trouble. Okay, so ego is good but it has to be aligned with consciousness or under consciousness, and then that consciousness is aligned with the river of life, which is the divine design of who we as unique individuals are supposed to be. Most people, everyone's born original, most people die copies. The key is to be original. And that's really what my book into nothing is about is this path back to being an original. And it covers all the different things, you know, I say all I ever learned in life was from meditation playing football and sacred relationships. Now you laugh about the football thing but let me explain my initial spiritual experiences, or what I would be on my limits. And kind of not into the nothing but really began having a static experiences playing football. That may sound ridiculous but that is really what was going on as I would go to these other planes beyond the zone that athletes talk about. You know you're feeling really good this is really mystical. Really going beyond the body. Deep experiences so football was my first initiation into the mystical. That's not far fetched at all to me I understand from the standpoint I've done to Los Angeles Marathons. Okay, there you go. And that was a deeply spiritual experience going way beyond anything I conceived I could possibly do. Certainly the first year and the second year because I like to dream bigger. I decided to best my time. I said, I'm going to carve 30 minutes off of my finish time which is pretty grand for 26.2 miles. And I used meditation I used visualization and of course I was training. And not only did I carve off 30 minutes I carved off over an hour. I finished and went through the finish line and saw the clock as I had in my visualizations but I had taken a full hour off. That was it blew everything out of the water to show me like wow, just take this is a minute example of what's possible. So then what else is possible. Beautiful I love it, because it's accessible to everyone. I mean for me it was football, you're doing the marathon, same principle, you're going beyond your perceived limitation. Yeah. So here you are I love this so you're, you're opening yourself up to know God, and you're getting these messages and you're exploring Judaism and the Kabbalah and the essence teachings and then your path. And this is all in the book folks when you get the book, your path takes you to the Native American tradition. And you really brave you've talked some about this but you really brave some extreme spiritual rituals of initiation. I don't know if you're allowed to talk about specifics. I don't know what side of the Sundance but we can. I would love you to and how it changed you and how you're even living here today to talk about it. So, when in 1973. I had another vision. Okay, God speaks to us in capital letters sometimes. I was actually taken an S course. The last one with Warner or her. Okay. And I saw three figures. I saw crazy horse, Lakota Sue. I saw Abraham. And I saw Saibaba of surety, not the current Saibaba but he left his body in 1980. Okay, so these figures are speaking to what what's going on. I mean they weren't in my, I mean obviously they were my conscience but they weren't in my conscience. So, crazy horse is what motivated me to do the Sundance. I, we have past lives and I'm sure your audience knows about that. But I probably was the first Native American doctor. He met when he was eight years old, he met crazy horse. Okay. So, without getting into details. Somehow crazy horse is somewhat of a mentor but that was what encouraged me to do the Sundance. I was inspired. I didn't. I didn't grow up thinking I couldn't do Sundance. No, it just happened very quickly. And even when I did the what we are called the eagle dance. And again, as you say, as I explained, you're tied to the tree for four days, not just an hour or two. It was all spontaneous. So a lot of it is the illusion of spontaneous but not really spontaneous, because it's all there. So I'm inspired by crazy horse. Then we look at Saibaba of surety. I must really don't know that he was a God merge being very unique. And actually I spent, later spent a lot of time in his, what we call Mars did people couldn't forgot whether he was a Muslim or a Hindu, very unique guy. But once he actually materialized in front of me. And when I mean materialized there was so many else next to me who saw him also. And he actually gave me what we call shock the pot energetic initiative. Not me over it was like, what? Okay, I was walking with swimming precautionary we both saw him but he focused on me. So there was actually a materialization of him and why I reported because somebody else saw it happen. Okay, so I made these, these are deep connections. Now, Abraham, every boundary crosser right has been part of the story for me but when I went to Israel, I, and we actually have were citizens of Israel. I took an initiation of my own if they didn't have they call Aliah but that's not an initiation stepping up. So I, I went to the negative desert. And somebody people can live for a day and they get without food or they can die. Okay. So, I was, I found a little half cave. And I was there, stayed there for 72 hours about water experiences but sometime during the night. I had a little fire going because there's wildly animals and stuff. Abraham appears and communicates into me, some of his qualities like universal love by the spiritual warriors ship to the great spiritual warrior. His tent was opened in all four directions. He and Sarah had a probably the first really healthy relationship of male female being more equal she was a prophetess. You know, they, they're, that's very unique relationship. Very powerful for the 3000 years ago. Right. 2700 years ago. So he also initiated. So I actually got initiated by in these three great traditions by actual energetic beings who actually materialize. You can, this stuff isn't imagination. It really does happen. You know, fortunately they're witnessing. I also was initiated by Lakshmi. I don't know if you know who Lakshmi is. Indian goddess. Absolutely. The goddess in the concert of Rama. Okay. And I was just meditated in the forest in Petaluma doing fire service. She materializes. And literally merged with me that this section on every level. And so she activated the sacred feminine. We got three men but we have the sacred feminine. And so there was seriously a transformation of Lakshmi initiating me in the actual merging with me into my being. So these figures do, they actually really do materialize. Again, fortunately they're witnesses. So it's not like I'm crazy, right? You know, and so Lakshmi also initiated in the process, which was very, very significant. Activating the sacred feminine. Did you come out with any different qualities after each of these mergings? Were you able to speak differently or understand the matrix of things differently? What were you imbued with by virtue of that happening? So really each one gave a particular spiritual gift. So Lakshmi literally activated the sacred feminine. And without going too far into it, let's just say men and women both have male-female qualities. She activated female qualities in me. You know, literally. Okay. That was the result of that. Where you can feel the subtle uterus. You can feel oxytocin from your nipples. I mean, real, I mean, very, very direct stuff. Okay. That was way beyond my imagination. You know, it's like, what? But that's what I mean. I'm sure they did the same thing, but more, more the spiritual qualities. But at the same time, let's say, he was in God merging state. Different than self-realization. Self-realization is the first step where you're really waking up. God merging was where you're in that sustained state all the time. Self-realization you get. There's a you and you're liberated. But there's a whole spectrum. And I explained that in the book. You know, so in precaution and acknowledge me. He made the point, hey, you're just the beginner. So part of what I got is I'm always studying. Take every time you get to a certain level, you're a beginner again. You're never done. So, some obituary was more at the end of line. So in precaution, we're in the middle part of the spectrum. Okay. Same thing with auction. I've had other feminine initiations. You know, which we're very real. And so that part of me isn't, it isn't like a, you know, a certain being politically correct. It's not like that. It's reality. It's my experience of that active sacred feminine within me, even on a physical level. I'll just share this with you. It's kind of funny. So I think it's funny. So just a few weeks ago, I had blood tests done. So my testosterone is above the outer range, but also as soon as my estrogen. Now, that's not, I've never seen that before. That's a sacred feminine. So what I'm saying is they make a difference. I ask you though, it's my understanding. And of course you're a doctor, but it is my understanding that when men, as men age, I believe it's past 40 years old, their estrogen does go up. Yeah, but not the testosterone. Usually the testosterone goes down, the estrogen goes up. That's not what we're going on. You don't do a thousand push-ups two times a week with a low testosterone. So both testosterone and estrogen are above normal. So that's what I'm trying to explain is that that's the actual initiation, or I'm going to say infusion of the sacred feminine that actually changes your physiology. That's what I'm trying to say. Got it. I'm talking about, you're familiar with oxytocin. Sure. So where do women experience it? It's in sex. Yes. Well, or birth, childbirth, I would imagine. Childbirth, but it's also the experience of physically in. Or yes. Nipples are one place. So what I'm telling you seriously is that after this initiation, there was an increase in oxytocin. I could feel it physically. You see it? Now what you see in men, if the testosterone goes down, the estrogen goes up, they get kind of a belly. And they, they get kind of flabby. I mean, generally speaking. Okay. Unless you're doing things. So that's not what's going on here. But the oxytocin has been active. I can feel it in the places where women use. To you. That's pretty rad. I'm not talking about, I don't need sex to do that. It's just, it's there exactly. Wow. Yum. That's what I'm talking about. That's, that's watch me. Okay. Activities. So is that making sense now? It's a different reality. Yeah. Yeah. And what led to you feeling so. Passionate about curing diabetes. What got you interested? Yeah. Diabetes. What, what was your interest in curing it? Well. In the, in the early 70s. I'd be, we didn't have the word holistic position. Didn't have that word. But as the psychiatrist, I saw that people's mental state was affected by their physical state. I saw that when people hyperprisemic, they were in balance really multiple levels and really also. In the shockers that are associated. Okay. With your physical, your endocrine system. So to help people, I had to heal their hyperprisemic. So I had already been playing. Then I just kind of got interested in diabetes partly cause. A lot of Native Americans have diabetes, like maybe 90%. I don't want to say that, but if you ever heard of Dennis Banks. No, no, not at all. Very famous Native American elder. And Dennis is one of my clients and we became really good friends. He even let me do a sweat block. I mean, he's a. He's a senior, but I, he sat in my sweat, sweat lodge. Cause I, I lead sweat lodges. On the new means. So. Then everywhere done and we did a march across the United States for diabetes healing diabetes for Native Americans. He says everywhere he went was at least 90% of Native Americans. So I was so much interested from the Native American position. Also in India. A huge percentage of Indians have diabetes. My two spiritual teachers have diabetes. So I had kind of an interest in it. Third is it's really simple to heal. If you apply the principle, they say it's incurable. I understand that. That's, it's incurable if you don't know what you're doing. It's very curable if you know what you're doing. So you go on the, the life with diet 100%. You go on a low carbohydrate part of the life with diet. But you still have to mix your diet, your constitution. Are all unique individuals. That's really important. Some people need more fat. Plant fat and protein than other people need less. Everybody needs low carbohydrate. So I naturally had an interest in doing this. And that's how I came to it. I saw that it was tremendously affecting people's mental state. Emotional state. Physical state. And so that's how I got into healing type two diabetes. Okay. We also heal type one. It's all doable. And so that's kind of the message. So I just got into it because the different cultures I was living in, it was a big problem. So I needed to solve it that way. It's not like I ever had diabetes or have an abnormal blood sugar or anything like that. It's totally normal for. The normal optimum 70 to 85 less than a hundred is non diabetic or non prediabetic. Diabetic is a fasting. 26. So. Normal blood sugar like. 85. So it's not me personally. It was like, how do I work with Native American? How do you help the people from India? It's more like that. And then it's a major epidemic. In the United States. People eat too much. Yeah. Yeah. It's so interesting. Yeah. Blood sugar levels are. Huge. So important for health. And I myself, when I was young. I was, I'm very young, like around 21 years old. I was tested. I don't know how the doctor even figured out what was going on with me, but I had that terrible test where you have to drink. Yeah. Something that's sort of like. Six hour glucose tower. That is correct. And it's like drinking Coca-Cola on crack. It's so sweet. You have to fast drink that. And then they take your blood sugar level literally every hour. And then they take your blood sugar level. You know, you already know where I'm headed with this. I definitely had extreme hypoglycemia. I had never heard of it before. And then I had a contend with it for many years. This awareness. Oh, okay. This is what's going on. This is why I'm tired. This is why I'm moody. This is why I have cravings. This is why. So I did a tremendous amount of research and it took years. You know, it was not overnight. Of refining, but I, you know, today I will tell you, and it's been decades, decades and decades. I'm completely healed. I had never had another blood sugar issue. So I feel very heartened. To hear. And of course, let's be honest. I've done a tremendous amount of inner work and healing as well. So the physical. Also follows what is going on. Inside. I'm very hard to hear you say that this is so as well for diabetes, that it can be. Yeah. Those same principles to heal oneself. It's an extension of that, actually. Not that. I think it goes always to diabetes. But you're a little, you're more on the heroic side. Okay. That's what I sense from you. And you have to love yourself enough to want to heal yourself. And part of the healing journey. Is getting people to love themselves enough to want to heal themselves and connect with their soul. So everyone in the three week program. I mean, literally 99% of the people feel, thank you for reconnecting to my soul. Because we have them meditating. We have them going, you know, you know, we have all these things going on. But the key is what you just said. You got to love yourself and if we heal yourself. And that is. What, obviously you have the internal strength, but you also. They love yourself. In a good way. Not an ego. Okay. That's the power behind the healing. Right. And I feel strongly that pain is a great motivator. You know, pain is a great red flag that says there's something really off. Yes. In your life. And you can choose to live this way. And we already have an idea of how that's going to turn out. Because it's not fun right now. Or we can use this as a launching pad to completely alter things. Even though we don't know what it's going to be like. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. We're not sure how we're going to get there. I, I feel like. You know what I'm saying this euphemistically, because I want people who are listening to you. I hope they will feel inspired, whatever it is, fill in the blank. They're experiencing. That may be offered untoured in their life. That once we open up and say, I don't want to live like this anymore. This isn't good. This isn't acceptable. I don't want to live like this anymore. And then we want to live like this forever. And then it's going to be open to us. What it is we need, if we will be open to doing new things and committing to them, but also to surrendering. Yeah. There's one other piece. And what you have. Incidentally, I'm sure it's called that stock. Persistence. Right. You got to keep showing up. And one of my poems, I said, whatever happens. I'm just going to keep showing up. Okay. You need that to make this work. You need that, and that's like, you need that persistence. I'm just gonna keep going. I don't care. And then we get to the other side. Ah, we lost Dr. Cousins, but I'm quite sure that he will be back. And just a minute as he reconnects, he's actually on the Russian river. You can see how gorgeous that was. And I think we heard ducks quacking too. So while we wait for him, just remember that this family therapist, Rabbi Yogi, spiritual mystic, vital at any age, Mama Mia, to look like that at 77, my goodness, and be able to do that many push-ups and pull-ups, I am really inspired. Humanitarian peace ambassador and physician of the soul, just to reiterate, you can find out more about him at Dr. Cousins, C-O-U-S-E-N-S dot com, as well as TreeOfLife dot M-N dot C-O. And again, the book of his, of the many, many books that he has already put out into the world, the one we're talking about right now is his latest book, and that is called Into the Nothing, a Spiritual Autobiography. So it's fine, Dr. Cousins, I just gave them, again, your website and more information on you. And so thanks for popping back in with us. I knew you would. Oh yeah, it's perfect timing. But some other computer went dead, but here we are on my cell phone. So I just appreciate the good work you're doing. You really get it. I could tell that deeply, and that's really, to me, that's really important because our work, I say our work, you and I were talking about is how can we be the most powerful, transformative force we can be on the planet to uplift the consciousness of all humanity? That's how I'm looking at it. And I'm gonna just add that, as far as I can tell, we are going into the Aquarius Age, December 21st. And for the West Coast, it's at 10 a.m., 10, 20 a.m. And we're trying to get as many people to meditate for that transformation because it's about the expansion of consciousness for humanity. So I'll let you know about it, but I again, really appreciate you are a fellow spiritual warrior, I love it. Oh, I am, I am. I resonate so much. Thank you, received. And I started out this conversation by saying Manashtana Halayla Hazar. And so just, you know, if somebody doesn't speak Hebrew, it's something the youngest child, which I was, says all the time it Passover and what it means in English is, why is tonight different than all other nights? So I just wanna take that and say with everything going on right now, Manashtana Halayla Hazar, why is this different? What is your understanding of what's happening? And what is your understanding of how Dr. Cousins can we show up? We're talking about being spiritual warriors. I feel like now more than ever, right? Our souls chose to be here at this time. It's auspicious. We must be brave, very brave souls to choose this. God bless us all. So what can we know about first of all, removing the fear of death and uncertainty and global fears? And then how would you say peacefully can we show up today for ourselves and for humanity in the world? I know it's a huge question, but I would love you to weigh in on this. Sure. The first thing is to have the intention to do that. Without the general intention, it's hard. And then we need the persistence to do it, okay? And why are we doing it? Because it's our time. So this is the way I feel about it. It is our time to uplift humanity. That's why we're talking about the Aquarian Age. It's the human, the water barrier, carrier, right? And water's consciousness. So it's something that's bigger than us. And the question is, as we look at the river out there, is how do we go with that flow of our destiny, the river of our life for all humanity and not just ourself. But for ourselves, it is like, it is our time. This is the Aquarian Age. This is hardcore, I'm gonna say reality, but you have to be a little sensitive to tune in. And those people who are tuned in, and I don't like to lay a responsibility on anyone, but if you're tuned in, it truly is our responsibility to be consciousness-expanding agents to support everyone in this bigger picture. So that's how I see it. That way, do it in our different ways. You have your show, I'm doing my teaching, my book Into the Nothing is specifically about going along and aligning with the will of God. And the will of God at this point is, it's called Wake Up Time for Humanity. It's wonderful. Once every 26,000 years, I mean, it's that big. So that's how I see it. And we're just really lucky to be a little bit more tuned in as a change, transformational of consciousness agents and if God says it, you gotta do it. The door open, you gotta walk through. That's how I look at it. So that's how I see it. I do it my way. I've got the books out. Every six days a week, I'm doing the real teachings. I'm giving Shaktipat six days a week around California time, nine to about 9.30. I'm doing that like 10 minutes Shaktipat meditation and then 10 minutes of teaching. So it's all happening. It's our choice to go with the flow of the river. People who are interested in this and your meditations and connecting with you more, is it all on your website or where would you send them? They go to drcousers.com or treeoflife.mn, mightynetworks.co. Everything is listed. Now I'm actually having a meditation retreat. Well, I don't want to, once a month starts with Shabbat Friday night and then Saturday, sending three Shaktipat meditations a day and then there's yoga. Well, I'm leading yoga. We do different things, but it's a monthly thing. Twice a year, I'm doing spiritual fasting retreats at this point over the internet, which works. Actually, I was surprised it works. And then a special, what we call yana yoga, but it's yoga of the mind to help people learn how to solve their limiting beliefs about themselves. And Dr. Cousins, this is Dare to Dream. So what are you next, Dare to Dream? What are your future dreams and goals? I can't wait to hear this because you have created so much. Well, the truth is in a subtle way, I'm committed to do whatever God tells me to do. So I try not to dream too much. My dream is to be totally aligned with God's will. Now we are actually moving to Israel, okay? But I have programs in 26 nations around the world. And so I'm teaching all over the world. I've taught in 42 different nations. And if I could say my dream, which is my reality, my dreams are my reality, okay? I kind of get that feeling for it. I expect that to continue to expand. I'm also writing my next book called Spiritual Fasting. Okay, so it's not just fasting, it's spiritual. Like you're detoxing on physical, emotional, mental and spiritual levels. But I'm more into the humanitarian and awakening as many people spiritually as possible. So we have our humanitarian programs. We have five nations in Africa. We're in Mexico, we're Argentina, we're in Brazil. We're all over North America working with many of the Native American tribe. We will continue to expand that to increase consciousness but also called feed the people. It's very important to feed the people. So our farms are organic vegan farms in all the five countries are actually feeding those people in the area. Our people are not starving cause they're being fed. Okay, cause we're supporting that economically and so forth and then the get independent, the farms get independent. So I do diabetes prevention and also organic vegan farming around the world and the different nations and getting the word out. And my hope is to be able to reach millions of people in time with the expansion of consciousness. So that's kind of my dream or prayer, so to speak to really be that transformational force for millions of people cause it's our time to wake up. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show today and for all the amazing work you're doing on the planet. Yeah, and I wanna bless you for all the good work you're doing. I love your program. I'm happy to come back at any time you want me, okay? But I bless you and I really bless all the listeners that they continue to be inspired by your work, by my work that we really create a transformative consciousness on the planet. Amen. It's our time, it's our time. Okay, Debbie. Thank you so much. And I'm gonna end today's show with a quote, but I wanna preface it by saying this, something I find to be a beautiful synchronicity, which means no accident and divinely ordained is that I choose a quote for every guest having no idea before I'm going to use the quote on the show, where my conversation is going to go. So I think you will see today is just like every other week over the many 13 to 14 years I've been doing the show, it is outstanding. So the quote I chose today is from Sogyal Rinpoche, and it is this, to be a spiritual warrior means to develop a special kind of courage, one that is innately intelligent, gentle and fearless. Spiritual warriors can still be frightened, but even so they are courageous enough to taste suffering, to relate clearly to their fundamental fear and to draw out without evasion the lessons from difficulties. I also support the blessing that Dr. Cousins gave all of you, thank you for supporting the show. Thank you for all of your beautiful comments. I read all of them and they're so meaningful and encouraging. And I ask you to subscribe to Dear to Dream so you can hear this number one weekly transformation conversation. And if you'd like to see us and you're listening on podcasts, go to youtube.com slash debbie dashinger. So you can also be inspired by the beautiful Dr. Cousins. My guest next week is renowned channel, Rebecca Dawson. She's been sharing wisdom from Saint Germain, Kuthami and Serapis Bay for over 20 years. She has much to share and you'll be the first on the frontline to hear her wisdom for all of us. Don't just Dear to Dream, it truly is your time to create all your dreams into your reality.