 So I was thinking because it was Monday Lamar that I would just you know hang out listen to some music But we should probably do the podcast huh? You should do the podcast we talk about our music afterwards Okay, that's you've got yourself a deal sir. Okay. Don't pardon the interruption We will tailor our conversation to later. Oh Dolly Just for that You have it on ready that's perfect and this one Yeah, all right That's that's for some someday future Saturday variety show You can help support the day technique show by becoming a patron go to patreon.com slash ace detect or Bit.ly slash help DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Monday July 20 2015 I'm time married joining me today. Mr. Lamar Wilson Extraordinary internet personality and unboxer. Oh stop it. Stop it. I could go on seriously stop it How you doing Tom? I've done I'm done. I'm good. I'm doing good man. Thanks for for joining me I've run a couple months birthday is tomorrow So she took the day off. Okay, that works But that is this interesting. Yeah Apparently when you're Veronica Belmont, that's how that works I would do my best to be a replacement. We are going to talk about aliens and It's a legit tech story the verge covered it. That's how I know. Okay First let's get into some headlines. Oh Hey ours Technica reports hackers calling themselves impact team have access data from avid life media Publisher of a dating site for married people called Ashley Madison. Yes dating site for married people means what you think? Only one of the married people is on it looking for dates Unless they're both independently looking for them anyway, see yeah Yeah, exactly CEO Noel Builderman confirmed the hack with the Krebs on security blog But did not talk about what data has been accessed impact team claims to have a complete set of user profiles But so far has only released some internal network at maps employee details and company bank account data Just as a proof that they have the stuff and they are demanding that avid life media take down Ashley Madison That's the one where you can find someone to cheat on your spouse with and established men Which is meant to hook up young women with rich men Oh, sorry. No. Yeah, it's unfair to young men It will release all 37 million members customer records and employee information sure it's not unfair to any Any men at all basically this is a hacker group that says we think your sites are disgusting and when you should take them down They are unfair to people. They don't actually protect the privacy of your data You say you have a delete button and we can prove that your delete button doesn't work because we have the contact info and Details of people whom you supposedly deleted and there's millions 37 million people here I saw a lot of people might just be outed as at least being interested in cheating on their spouse Divorce lawyers are going to have a field day this week. Do you think that's who was behind impact team? I'm confident Lawyers are behind everything. You know, this is one story where You know, you know, you don't want people's data out there But you know, I I'm not sure if I could feel sorry for them if they say this was a breach of trust I'm like and you're literally we're doing a breach of trust with your marriage. No, I've seen other people Expressing similar feeling like I'm having a really hard time Defending this but I think this is this is the kind of breach that actually proves How important this is for everybody if if a site whose Stated purpose is to help you sneak around on someone you're married to Can't protect your data when they know they gosh darn well know that they should be doing Right yeah, winning the trust of their user populace is important here for you know for controversial reasons for sure, but But if they can't if they're skimping on security You know, why is why are you why are real names and addresses stored in the database that was accessed anyway? This is another one of those flags that says hey companies you really need to start figuring out your security because as as mad as people are about this sort of breach imagine how much More incensed people get when it's something that people believe should should exist as a website or the majority should I'm sure there's plenty of people who believe this should exist Yeah, yeah, it's too bad. You know, especially that one for the men. I'm really upset. I'm just kidding. I never used it We were joking for the show that You know single people using it would be in real trouble because then the people they were dating would find out they weren't actually married You're not married. Get out of here. Yeah, Samsung announced thin tablets Let's change the subject to the tablets the thinnest tablets They've ever made in fact. They're even thinner than the 6.1 millimeter iPad mini the galaxy tab s2 reports tech crunch is 8 and 9.7 inch versions 5.6 millimeter thick tablets the 8 inch one weighs 265 grams and the 9.7 inch weighs 389 grams galaxy tab s2 has an 8 core processor for 1.9 gigahertz cores and for 1.3 gigahertz cores comes with 3 gigabytes of ram 32 or 64 gigs of internal memory and 2048 by 1356 super AMOLED screen go on sale around the world in August in Two colors any color you want as long as it's either white or black. No word on pricing here You know, I have a couple of things I want to say about this and you know, of course, you know Andra people be on alert for me saying saying this but you know Android tablets and phones tend to have a tradition of putting out great specs, right? I mean they always outspec the you know the Apple phones my issue with that is that There's not I mean these are great specs, but there's nothing out there. Let's take advantage of a core Probably they're barely are taking care of the you know the quad they're overpowered. Is that yeah I just and I'm not saying that's a bad thing But it's a it's a misleading marketing thing in my opinion when it's like yeah It has all this power, but it will never be used in this generation I and so I kind of see why Apple does it the way to do I don't I do I do think I Apple does not give Enough memory, but I do see why they bring out things a little bit live it slowly the other thing I think just a tablet market. It's just really slow almost dead right now So I'm not exit as excited about this. It's probably I should be this is the most buzz around tablets I've seen in a while. Yeah, it's because they're thin it doesn't the buzz isn't even because of the the processors, right? The buzz is like hey, these are really thin. These are thinner than the iPad thin one Yeah, it doesn't like thin tablets like thin. Yeah That's that's where we are in tablets now people caring about weight and thickness Fortune reports Microsoft will acquire is lay Israeli cloud security company Adalom for around 320 million dollars That would be Microsoft's largest ever acquisition in Israel if it ends up being the right price Adalom focuses on security for data both on internal services and in cloud applications They're their big deal is like we will secure your data no matter where you store it Microsoft has not commented on the report But this is becoming a very lucrative and essential market for companies to be in Reuters reports on a study from citizen lab About what kind of content is removed from Tencent's WeChat platform in China Similar to other social networks in the country posts that might have a destabilizing effect on society removed often political posts or Historical posts but unlike other networks WeChat had a higher percentage of posts removed related to rumors and gossip An anti-rumor campaign began in China in 2013 and maybe Tencent is just trying harder to comply with that Today is the first day that PayPal and eBay are trading as separate companies and CNET reports PayPal is now more valuable than eBay PayPal has a value of around 50 billion dollars now While eBay's market cap went to 34 billion dollars down from 80 billion, but hey combines there worth more 84 billion now The split will allow eBay to experiment with new payment methods and of course let PayPal partner with eBay's competitors PayPal closed up 5% at $40 and 48 cents a share and eBay closed at $28 and 57 cents a share Yeah, I had no idea they still owned them. They acted like they didn't own them for a while Did they split off and go back they had announced the split a while ago and so yeah They've they've been preparing themselves for this to become official in today's the day cool It was a mixed weekend for drones First the good news Friday saw the first FAA sanctioned delivery made by a drone in the United States Sending medical supplies from Wise County Regional Airport in West Virginia to a remote rural clinic That would otherwise have taken 90 minutes to get there It took them about six the rest is Bad news for drones US Forest Service had to ground helicopters fighting a wildfire in Southern, California for 26 minutes Because of several drones operating in the area and that was the fire You may have heard of the crossed interstate 15 destroying several cars Spain's Royal Family has also been complaining about robotic aircraft near its palace at night and finally a news That's good or bad depending on where you stand. I guess a leaked email from hacker team describes Boeing Discussing mounting Wi-Fi attacking hardware on an airborne system now Let me ask you about the ones with the wildfire because I didn't hear the story You know, I mean I heard the story I didn't know about the the drones How big are these drones where helicopters would have to be delayed? I mean couldn't they just knock them out the way? You know, I I would defer to anyone who actually knows better From the stories I read the issue was not the size of the drones there. They were probably quadcopters But the fact that the helicopters fighting the fire have to fly so close to the ground that the risk of having one of these quadcopters Strike into the rotors of the helicopter is such that the Forest Service says if we see a drone out there anywhere near We ground the helicopters because we're not going to risk having a helicopter crash while we're trying to fight a fire So they could possibly go after those people of those drones. I mean I mean they help Well, you break this fire then that's the that's the issue, right? These are amateur pilots and the rules allow them to fly their drones There's a park nearby that they were probably flying at just for kicks not harming anybody doing it, right? And then they saw the fire and started to shoot the fire not knowing that they were getting in the way of the helicopters It was I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt because I can definitely see a scenario where you're just outing your Outflying your drone suddenly you see a fire and they're like whoa. I'm what is that? The public awareness campaign that needs to happen is for anyone who's flying a drone to know if you see a fire There are hopefully fire fighters coming and you need to get your drone out of there because it's a risk They had to go find the drone flyers and tell them please please ground your drones and it took them 26 minutes to do that Oh, wow. Okay. That's a that's unfortunate. There's a lot a lot of cars with destroy I mean it looks really bad. It's not funny. It's just like no not at all I think the knee-jerk reaction is this is why we should hold off on allowing drones to fly and I think that's the opposite I think this is why the FAA really needs to continue its progress towards making good rules and good educational campaigns To get the word out to people to say yeah, it's fine to go in the park and fly your drone You see fires though. You land your drone. Okay, so it's learning experience. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fun Spotify has a new discover weekly playlist feature according to the next web the discovery weekly playlist will create a personalized selection of songs based on your listening habits and On songs that are liked by other people with similar tastes So they're trying to nudge you into a little discovery The playlist is updated every Monday morning and contains about two hours of music And you can share whatever list is created for you with friends as well if you want to expose them to your own list Yeah, I found this story low little just a tad comical Just because the Spotify CEO has been so arrogant lately it's like Apple music who we're not worried about Apple music And then you know he comes to make this makes this feature and it's something else that he did last week, too Like he's he's obviously concerned, but I guess he has to guess be from a position of strength He can't show that he's worried about it. But right, you know, he's definitely he's definitely worried. Yeah The streaming the streaming music service is often like the prison yard apparently you just can't show any Any sign of weakness? But definitely it is what who whether Spotify is Blustering rhetoric or not affects this this is good I like competition for this reason Apple music came along with beats radio Spotify is like we think we can do just as good a job without having to hire a bunch of DJs And so we're gonna we're gonna create these playlists that will expose you to music You wouldn't have thought you would have liked otherwise They're up in their game. We'll see if it works. Oh, I like it And gadget reports that the UK's High Court has overturned copyright and rights and performances regulations for 2014 And what that means is that UK users no longer have explicit legal permission to rip CDs and DVDs for personal use For a long time it was it was a joke that you like everyone's iPod in the UK was illegal Because they had to rip a CD to get the songs on there if they didn't buy their music for my tunes And then they passed a law saying hey, we've legitimized this and everyone rejoiced Well, the court threw it out They found that her Majesty's government acted unlawfully when it introduced an exemption to copyright for personal use without fair compensation EU copyright European Union copyright directives permit member states like the UK to introduce exceptions But they must ensure that rights holders receive fair compensation So the court said you didn't put in a way to collect money when someone rips a CD to their iPod and so it's illegal Is it the money defect that you bought it? Okay. All right Cuz so what what happens now that like does everybody does their iPod explode or Well, you know what that's like a guy wrote into us and said does this mean that the songs that I ripped last year are now illegal or Do I get like a grandfathered in and the fact of the matter is I don't know legally the answer to that I can see it both ways. I can see them saying no the court says it was never legal that that law was passed illegally So you're all been breaking the law it doesn't matter because everybody had been ripping their CDs and And and they can't enforce it. It's just not something that the government is willing to like, you know, go go For people's music players It's just ridiculous that there is not some Kind of fair use. I mean in the US you can rip your CD to your MP3 you're to your iPod because it's fair use It's like I bought this and I'm making a transfer and I'm making a use that doesn't undermine the marketplace It's a red center. Yeah Recode reports real quick that IBM's earnings were better than expected but sales still fell 13% year over year They're mostly because of the strong US dollar IBM earned $3.84 a share Better than expected on sales of 20.8 billion dollars, which is a little less than expected and this is enterprise, right? This is IBM. No, I mean, yeah, like they do all enterprise now, right? They pretty much do all enterprise. That is correct A lot of our stories come from the subreddit the Ashley Madison story was top of the charts today And we always like to recognize a few particular stories that maybe we're not seeing everywhere else Daily tech news show dot reddit.com is the place to go get involved do some voting You take two minutes and just go vote on some stories early in the day And then you will have an effect on what shows up in the show Hey UK folks that have been ripping CDs FC 88 really thinks you should read the torrent freak article about how Her Majesty's Government wants to increase the maximum prison sentence for online copyright infringement from two to ten years Your CD rippers will probably be okay though as the law targets organized and commercial copyright infringement They're going there. They're trying to make it equivalent to counterfeiting prison ten years ten years in prison if you run a torrent site or something like that So close ten years out there with the music services in the prison yard Captain Kipper pointed out a medium post written by Andres in yes Yeah, a man who lives in Madrid who likes to take pictures quote of his kids yummy food and interesting buildings Also known as an Instagram user Last week Instagram closed his account and all he got was a notice saying that he was infringing on terms of use So in Sia contacted Instagram twice Got no response a few days later his Instagram followers noticed that a football player soccer player named Andres in Yes, Tia was showing up in their feeds So the first in yes Tia contacted Instagram again still got no response So he wrote a medium article about the situation five hours later. His account was restored no explanation To the players credit the players agent contacted the first in Sia and said we didn't have anything to do with this problem So at least they made an effort to say like wasn't us. We don't know how that happened Wow cities gave us a count over it said to a more famous person. I've heard of that happening before well I I've definitely heard of it happening with abandoned accounts, right? And nobody ever complains about that and and I've heard a couple other cases of people who are like wait I was using that account that they didn't get it back. They're like no that belongs to somebody else now. Sorry. Yeah But I guess never with a name. I'm usually those were like clever username things not an actual right an actual name, right? Kevin Kipper also sent us the engadgett report about Dutch construction company Volker vessels Which wants to build roads made from recycled plastic? The company thinks the roads would last three times longer and survive greater temperature ranges than traditional asphalt roads roads have a hollow structure which is ideal for cabling and Pipes city of Rotterdam is interested in trying them out in its street lab Yeah, I read this and I just I don't know why there's a big smile came over my face It just it makes so much sense and I thought about the cabling You know the going right under it's just it's it's a genius idea We had all this plastic and it's strong if it actually tests out Well, this could change so many things because think about how many potholes there are right just in our town Yeah, and then and the claim is that these these last longer. They don't have potholes We'll see about that. Maybe it won't be true, but if that claim lasts you got no more potholes Less money having to be spent on maintaining roads Easier way to roll out cables. He says some asphalt roads roads have the cable thing built in But it's not as much space as it looks like this has and All of our cities start to look like Lego cities That would that's the ultimate Yeah, and a great part of course, you know recycle, you know, we're recycling the things that we're using absolutely Which is really important and that is looked at the headlines. All right, let's look for some aliens A new project called breakthrough. Listen has been announced. It's being funded by Physicist and billionaire Yuri Milner. He's the guy who started mail.ru So it was you know the Gmail of Russia essentially. He's he's he's funded several other startups He's an investor in Facebook He's an investor in WeChat What's up, I think Zynga Okay, so so this is he is a physicist He's a trained physicist and he started his own version of the no bells the breakthrough prizes in fundamental physics in a couple other areas Now he's going to give a hundred million dollars over ten years to pay For time on radio telescopes and a laser telescope to search for alien civilizations A third of the money goes to equipment a third to staff and a third to the telescopes for observation time The Green Bank telescope in West Virginia the parks telescope in Australia will both be part of this They are able to do things like detect aircraft radar from the nearest thousand stars That's how sensitive they are and then the search for optical signals, which they're calling laser signals because let's admit it That sounds a lot cooler will happen at the lick observatories automated planet finder in Northern, California That one is capable of detecting all hundred watt laser like your normal household bulb type laser from 25 trillion miles away Yeah So they are over ten years They're gonna check the million closest stars and the hundred closest galaxies at least that's the task They've set for themselves. They say they can collect as much data in one day as usually takes a year They're gonna use this existing SETI at home project at Berkeley in cooperation with the Berkeley Search for Exist extra terrestrial intelligence project and they're gonna open source all the data and all their software So everybody else can pitch in. Yeah, I Read about the open source. I really liked it because then you can it what is it? What is a program called where people were using their Computer power for like that steady at home. Okay. I was I was like cancer Well, there's folding at home was the next one after steady at home where they did for cancer. Yeah, right Distributed computing. Yeah, I think I think that's amazing because all the data That'd be has to be poor through and it's you know people like me who would love to report through work through some data of Alien possible alien life that'll be fascinating Yeah, I'd this is a really interesting way of going about it because what we're seeing Has not it's not that it hasn't been tried before there's the Allen array that's being built Which is funded by Paul Allen another billionaire who is who's trying to boost the search for extra terrestrial intelligence There's the erasibo observatory, but nobody has pulled together the stars and I use that on purpose Because you've got the Astronomer Royal of the Royal Royal Society in England Lord Martin Reese is the head of an advisory board and on that board is Frank Drake the man who created the Drake equation which helps us figure out what the possibility of alien life existing is Yeah, Andrew Yan who produced cosmos and was the wife of Carl Sagan Jeff Marcy who is the head of The search for exoplanets at Berkeley and the list goes on. This is this is Stephen Hawking, of course Stephen Hawking is not on the advisory board But he showed up for the announcement because he's like this is just really cool Oh, I want to put my Stephen Hawking seal of approval on this. Yeah, that's all wait What so will they have the guy from ancient aliens with the hair that when they have him like he needs to be the spokesperson You know, I bet they don't think much Well think about it though chef so show stack is the senior astronomer and director For SETI Institute and SETI Institute is not involved in this yet It may still be but you could see him, you know fold in his arms and saying well, you know This is a different approach. He called it great news Like what's cool about this is it seems like all the people who want this to happen are a really qualified and really smart And be all in it together like yeah, we should be looking Here's the other thing There's another project called the breakthrough What is it called the breakthrough listening breakthrough message to formulate a possible response but more than that Lamar Decide whether we should respond at all if we hear an alien. Yeah, I was reading in an article I don't know Stephen Stephen Hawking or someone said that you know that the issue is if you know It could be bad for the lesser species Of the first contact is like if we're and we're the ones that are you know, the low-end technology And the more uncivilized, you know, yeah, we we send out a signal. Hey, here. We are Yeah, come come take us over Yeah, all they have is broadcast radio And vice versa cuz human nature, I mean that's just what we do Unfortunately, you know, and I hadn't thought about it that way. That's a really good point We might say oh, we've determined that this civilization is less advanced than us Maybe we still shouldn't contact them because of what we might do to them. Yeah, I mean, we just we have a track record of it Unfortunately, so I I think this is great because you're getting This is non-governmental is not NASA's not involved. I mean, you know, you know, they I think NASA should have their own program And they probably do, you know, this is not not governmental This these is business people was that their own money and I like that because I think you're gonna get better results And it's gonna be less secrecy when it's people who are not tied to, you know, tied to the government at all Well, I have to say just because you said government and secrecy with NASA NASA is very open With their data and with what they're doing they open source almost everything they share all their data So I want to give them credit there and they're actually cooperating with this But I also know what you're saying is NASA has to go to Congress to beg funding for anything that they want to do And even they get halfway through a project Congress might say actually no We're not gonna let you do this. This funding was is likely not to go away because Yuri Milner said I want to do this And I've got the money to do it. Absolutely. That's a drop in a bucket for him, too Yeah, it is So I don't know when you when you messaged me about aliens. I was a part that was shocked Yeah, I was totally I was literally watching ancient Yeah, right of my right of that's so funny. Yeah, I love that show. So no this I'm excited about this I'm gonna track this and You know, I haven't done the at-home thing for years. I did it for the cancer Research years ago with one of my computers and you know, I I want to get back and said it This might this might be a good a good project to try to add My computing power, you know, whatever made me think about, you know Reinstalling SETI at home myself and I think it might have a halo effect because SETI at home is what led to folding at home And a lot of these other projects it may start getting other people to look at these other distributed computing projects and get more interested in them again And then that could just be good for everyone as well. Absolutely. Do you think okay? Just to give the other side here. Do you think it's a waste of time? Do you think this is a waste of Yuri Milner's money and he can spend it every once But do you think it's a waste of time on our telescopes to be looking for extra terrestrials? I'm glad you asked No, I don't think I think We as humans are always looking for something greater than ourselves And that's just we we're explorers researchers. We we go in our oceans We haven't even explored one, you know more than 1% of our own own Oceans and you know, we're we're explorers I think it's a natural thing to want to know is there's something greater or better out there You know that might Help humanity get their act together. I mean on a more philosophical Thing I think finding That we're not alone. We're kind of humble us and realize that you know our race fighting You know she immediately be over because now we we're human versus whoever else and yeah I think I think it is a it'll solve a lot of issues. It'll create some issues You know, where okay, we're not alone You know that is religion real blah blah, but I think at the end of the day It's too much curiosity out there There's too too much new ones and even a show that we joke about Brings up a lot of good points about about things that are here on earth. So We we want to find out. I want to find out. I think yeah, I think that show as as weird as it is is Existing because we have these questions. We want to know is there anything else out there? I mean and these are questions We've had as a species forever when when we were isolated on earth We wondered who lived over the mountain range, right? We always wondered like who lives across the ocean who and and this is just the next step for us to say who live Who if anyone lives out in the stars? And I think it's worth looking the other thing if you're still like I don't care if we find aliens I don't want to know there is a lot of ancillary Information that we could learn from this unexpected results as we go through all of this open-source data We could find out all kinds of other discoveries about what is happening Astronomically out there because when because they're not locking up the data They're looking for extraterrestrial signals, but you can use the data that is observed for anything and and there might be other astronomical Unexpected objects discovered as a part of that like kryptonite absolutely we might find krypton Exactly so because Batman has a year to find a way to beat him right Ben Affleck's really bet on this Exactly. I know he's on a board It's really cool that tech like the tech world and the startup world has led to to To something like this both both Paul Allen now Yuri Milner. Yeah, yeah, if you think like even in just really quick The what's what I see now his name is gone away that he would he made the the Electricity help me Tesla Tesla. He didn't make electricity. That's good. Good thing to name. What do you think about Tesla? I mean the reason he Well, you know, it's not really in the history books as anything notable It's because he had that belief in in aliens and that made him Ostracized from his from his peers and then Thomas Edison and others took more credit from his work I think now It's more accepted that people have these questions, you know But back then, you know, you mentioned aliens or you even recently 20 30 years if people they call you a kook and Want to lock you up. Yeah, I think this was a good time for us to do it now that more people are into it Couldn't I couldn't agree more and I know there's some of you who don't who think it's a waste of money And that's fine, too, but I I think it's worth looking even if we don't find anything that narrows the search That's what Stephen Hawking said it narrows down You know what we know helps us it helps progress science Real quickly Jenny Josephson point out in our dock here that ZD net reporting Microsoft has released an emergency out-of-band patch For a critical flaw affecting all supported versions of windows This is a pretty unusual attempt for they usually wait for patch Tuesdays And of course we obviously have this new system that is coming in Windows 10 But so close to the launch of Windows 10 to issue a patch that they say if exploited could allow remote Code execution if a user opens a specially crafted document or visited an untrusted web page Users running Windows Vista 7 8 8.1 and RT are all affected including those running Windows server 2008 and later a Microsoft spokesperson confirmed an emailed statement that Windows 10 insider preview also affected I think that's what usually I don't like to report online. Oh, there's a bug in windows, you know, right? It's also called a day ending in why But them issuing an out-of-band patch so close to the launch of Windows 10 for Windows Vista through Windows 10 That's pretty telling. Yeah, that's pretty notable. Yeah, absolutely Our pick of the day comes from juice in wet and cold Melbourne, Australia it's called Sync tracer or actually it's called sync thing, but it has a graphical user interface called sync tracer for syncing files between computers without using a cloud service Juice says like many people I have a desktop and a laptop and my wife has a laptop And using sync thing I can easily sync files of all types between the devices automatically Now there's a lot of programs that do that But he likes this one because it's simple two folders on his desktop One for each surface pro 3 and when I want to send something to either of them I drag that file into the relevant folder and the next time the relevant machine appears on the local network It syncs across great for pushing media files around without using one driver dropbox making it much more faster That's he wrote it correctly. I said it wrong making it much faster and more secure I tried several including bit torrent one and found this one sync things to be by far the most intuitive for my small Scale operation Thanks for the great show. Well, thank you for the great recommendation I'm gonna check out sync thing and especially the github project called sync tracer Which gives you a gooey element for windows if you're mostly using windows machine as it looks like juices This sounds cool. Thanks a bit Yeah, uh, and there like I said, there are other things that do it But he sounds like he tried a lot and he liked this one So it might be worth checking out So in your picks to feedback daily tech news show.com you can find my picks at daily tech news show.com slash picks All right, we got a lot of feedback as you might imagine from folks talking about the forced update of windows 10 We mentioned on friday Mu yai wa who's a nigerian, but he's currently living in port smith uk said look I Used to work as a first level support for one of the largest telecom providers in nigeria A vast majority of the population in nigeria get their only source of internet connection from mobile data provided by the telcos And since mobile data is expensive Many people subsist on as little as a gigabyte per month on a usb modem connected to their laptops One major issue we've had is that when people subscribe to data It all gets exhausted quickly because windows update immediately starts downloading once it detects an internet connection We had to start advising customers to disable windows update whenever they came to make a purchase for an internet modem Or my fi or maybe we would disable it for them if they couldn't figure it out themselves Not having the option to disable update on windows 10 in such markets could be disastrous As most people are not technologically savvy enough to realize that data is used to perform updates And we just assume they're just not getting the amount of data they paid for and they'll get upset Hmm, you know, I didn't get chance to listen to friday shows up I'll apologize if i'm duplicating it, but or what i'm about to say, but if it sounds like You have isolated incidents like this, which you know, if you're that person obviously it's important to you But in the grand scheme You know, are there are a lot of people worldwide Now here here in the u.s. You're right Like there's probably not that many people who use their windows machine On such a closely metered account that the updates are going to matter But there's a lot of people with metered accounts who want to save every bit And then in large large parts of the world people are on these very Limited metered accounts. Yeah, so I wonder what microsoft is going to do because it's not like they don't want uptake in those markets They definitely want people in Nigeria using windows So i'm curious and in muayahua if you know What the answer is to this let us know or if anyone else does is there a different policy for this? in places with limited types of connections Maybe they could make a deal with the mobile provider to you know, just like you know, they do for free music streaming T-mobile does that with well Then in india, you'll have a protest because they're protesting those music policies for being Against net neutrality Gotcha. Yeah I know right Thinness from the most beautiful city in the world capetown says the other portion that irks me is drivers being forced this way Uh, it's a lot of fun He says I think he's being sarcastic seeing windows 10 download the invidia driver three times and see it fail three times before I realize that I already have that driver installed because I installed it from invidia's website He says let me be clear. I install all my important and recommended updates on patch tuesdays And I think everyone should he's not against the security update part of it But he's worried about drivers getting forced in I think a lot of people are there too Interesting. All right. Let's go to marcello though from brazil He's in salpallo. He's got the positive side of this He says look windows is going to come with an app store nadella plans to bundle desktop and mobile apps to attract interest of developers and their large pc base If successful to have a lot of windows apps and could come with a since you developed for pcs Why not press this button and have it ready for mobile as well? In fact with the new conversion tool for apps They might plan to be the source for all apps of all os's. It's a network economy He's like you have to have everybody updating their windows 10 at the same time to make that kind of app store work It's a very good point. I mean it's uh I mean it explains the force upgrades You have you have to have the kind of system in place to make it work Yeah, they want to make sure everybody's working as much as possible on on the same platform Here but you got to you got to address these downsides the driver's one I think is very interesting and and certainly the the bandwidth cap one is going to be an issue Uh ned from shivering sydney says I actually laughed out loud When you said having an embedded sim card will allow people to switch phone companies easier besides the obvious lock-in problem I have two opinions on this personal and professional personally when I travel overseas I can buy a prepaid sim card at the airport plug it in and i'm done if we didn't have sim cards What will happen when I change networks? Does it port my phone number? Do I have to wait 24 hours if I choose not to port my phone number? Do I lose my old number? I Okay, hold on he says Well, no, let me just say I have been going around and around and around with a lot of people here because there are a lot of fears about the e-sim thing and All of those things will work exactly the same way. In fact, when you travel overseas You won't have to go to a store and buy a prepaid card. The idea is that you just buy it from the phone What it's a permanent lack of trust that this is actually going to work the way they say it's going to work Right, everyone's like no, no, no, they're going to lock me in the idea is not to lock you in The idea is to say instead of moving the piece of plastic you can do everything you could do with the piece of plastic Except you don't have to move the piece of plastic around You got the right to a store to get it Yeah, you just and and if you want to switch you want to switch sims you would just do it on the phone You would have a virtual sim. It's like a hard drive It's like it it's just the data and and there's so many people like no, no, no But the sim I don't have to get their permission to move it from one place to another, right? You still do you still need somebody to recognize the number that's on that sim and say yes That number is associated with this account and so that phone can use that account You're still relying on the carriers with sim cards. It's it's magical thinking that oh since i'm moving the sim They can't stop me like all this is doing is saying the data that's on the sim card because it's not the sim card itself It's just the data that's on the sim card Is going to be just all in the essentially in the cloud and can move from phone to phone And I think there's so many people like no, no, no the carriers will never allow that so that can't be the way that works But that's the proposal Why the paranoia? it's because There was a huge victory when sim cards became Capable of being used the way they're used now, especially in places on Europe like Europe to say oh I'm not locked into phones and and in the u.s We didn't get that victory like even though we had sim cards people locked phones so often Uh, it was a difficult problem And so I think there's just a lack of trust that the carriers will let this actually happen the way I'm talking about which is like your sim card is just data You can move it like a floppy disk or you can move it through a network Right and isim says let's move it like a network instead of like a floppy disk So it's a big step forward however two Things that were brought up that I think are disadvantages to the isim one is I've got a phone that only has a sim card not an isim and I have a phone that has isim If I have an isim, how do I move that sim to that card? Right? That's not insurmountable But there would have to be a way to do that. Sure. Okay The the second objection I think is the best objection that I've heard and it's also from ned and shivering Sidney who says I work with a product called live view that bonds multiple cellular connections to create a Stable high bandwidth connection for video streaming. I'm constantly changing sims and modems to allow the device to work in different countries And and I think that's a situation. It's a unique situation But that's a situation where sims probably have an advantage right now Although eventually there could be a software patch that would allow isims to work with that that's that's a taller ask So I get that like bonding multiple sim cards together. There's a whole lot easier hardware wise right now I'm going to stop talking about isims one of these shows I promise next show And and and I'm hedging my I'm hedging myself against like if the isim standard that is approved ends up not being as good as it Should be it could be as bad as a lot of these people are fearing But it's not that's not what apple and samsung one apple and samsung wanted to work just like sim cards do now But without the object Just sending it through like you do data now It's like saying I don't want to stop using floppy disks because I can pull a floppy disk out And put it in another floppy disk and no one has to know But we still use the internet don't we? Yes, we do All right, sorry about that lamar. No, I enjoyed your rendis. That was beautiful Well, thank you. And uh, thanks for being on. Uh, you got to go subscribe to youtube.com Slash lamar wilson. You've got to check out lamar wilson.com There are two ours in lamar and you got to follow lamar on twitter twitter.com slash lamar wilson Thank you so much for the plow. Appreciate it. Yeah, you bet. What you got coming up? Yeah, I got some good reviews I just got a 360 camera in From a company, you know youtube accepts the 360 videos So you can drag around and see the full it's it's crazy technology that's available on on youtube now as our company sent me 360 cameras i'm gonna take some footage At some time this week and get that up on the 60 lamar. Nice. Yeah. Yeah all angles of me, which is Not the most attractive Thing in the world, but you know, hey, don't say that don't say that at all. You're a beautiful man Well, maybe that's safe. Well Yeah, man, we'll see people in a safe for the same way I'll check it out youtube.com slash lamar wilson. 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Um There's a couple of things i'm pretty sure veronica's on thursday and you're just seeing veronica belmont's birthday in the same green color On our google calendar because i've done that like three times already All right, you're talking to roger. No, i'm talking to you I'm just looking at the doc the doc says patrick beija and veronica belmont Oh And i didn't think that was right, but since it was in the doc i thought maybe something changed I'm wrong Well, no, it was it was like i'm pretty sure this is wrong, but i don't know why it's in there then You're like anla marbles and you know why then i just announced that i did the thing i accused you of doing Which is In the birthday in the same green as our calendar and thinking oh, she's on tomorrow when that is Okay, you need a time out Hey, that was a good show. What should we call it? Uh, we've got rich man hacked man That was a horrible ending. What should we call it? Sorry about that No, that's okay. You know, i'm gonna i'm gonna actually get a fix it Cheating privacy Everything is awesome on plastic roads I actually really like rich man hacked man. Yeah, it's got a fiddler on the roof feel to it If i were a hacked man That'll that'll that all right stars look for aliens A adultery data recovery is called duggery That's poetic. Yeah It's got nice meter and rhythm Stop drop and land your drone. I like that. Oh, that's good Where we're going roads are plastic Where we're going we won't need anything but plastic roads Let's see adultery data recovery school duggery Yeah, that's not exactly searchable If you want to go for search results, yeah But it sure sounds Like a beat poet Adultery data recovery school duggery, man You know, you should just the title should just be sinners That's it. That's all we were talking about. Yeah repent bunch of sinners Yes, it is we're all sinners Uh, yeah, I think those are the top book at like the top options. I do like stop drop and land your drone I have like four that I like I like rich man hacked man I like everything is awesome on plastic roads like adultery data recovery school duggery And I like stop drop and land your drone I feel like stop drop and land your drone is the most responsible headline we could do. Yeah Yeah, I agree. I agree with that one The public service announcement I don't know. I kind of like rich man hacked man If I were a hacked man Yeah Wait, there was another thing Lamar Yes, what software did they give you to edit your 360 video because that's for me apparently is I have not even opened a box yet. I don't know Because I'm super curious about that because I've been trying to get the kids I teach to do 360 and to think about it But I don't have either the software or a camera to show them. So that's a very good Yeah, I mean it could end up being windows only and and I was like, oops I mean, I have a windows fair bit of a pain in the butt to try to it's up to my tv So to be paying but to have to edit it there So, you know, I'll uh, yeah, I don't even know the company's name. It looks nice. I watched a video of it. It looks great So, uh, I'll I'll test it out this weekend And see I did a Coddy candy Oreo test taste test on my channel today You know, I ripped off your haul ideas Oh, did you I did I did a sword and laser book haul which people have liked and then I did a off the shelf Which is not really a haul But it's the same idea where I just pull an old gadget off my shelf and talk about it You know, I literally stole that from the beauty gurus. So no, I know. Yeah I was like, I'm gonna steal you're stealing this because it's brilliant Awesome. Yeah, I thought that when I when I did the first haul, I'm like, oh my god They're gonna they're gonna call me girly but the guys loved it. Like, yeah, they just they say finally a guy's doing a haul We love this Like what really? Okay Okay, go in Oh, I yeah, they started the lawns right as the show ended I didn't hear it Okay. Well, I What are you hearing? No, the the lawnmowers and the cutter wheat cutters and all they they started right as the show ended I mean, if I really concentrate, I can barely hear it. Yeah, so don't worry about it. Cool. So dolly pardon Island's in the stream That is what we are. I love dolly pardon with great ferocity Yes, that's right. That was the only comment I was gonna make for those lost I uh didn't come to the show right away before because I was told tom I was busy listening to dolly pardon And Yeah, and yes, uh, yes two two Kenny Rogers and dolly dolly pardon songs a recent one they did call you can't make old friends It's beautiful Obviously you've heard dolly pardon's you stare way to heaven which is about the best thing I've ever heard in whole life Yes, I am hold on hold. I'm sorry to interrupt But I hope you haven't gotten too much momentum on your dolly pardon conversation because I wanted to get going But I'm going to redo the ending of the show Okay, you're ready Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com and give us a call 51259 daily That's 5125932459 Listen to the show live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern at player dot alpha geek radio dot com and visit our website Daily tech news show dot com. We'll be back tomorrow with patrick beija as our guest talk to you then The frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com I'm in club hopes you have enjoyed this brover Done Sorry about that That's okay How would you like me to edit that just don't worry about it just leave the bad the the other The other outro in the video one So what about the post for the post show? I don't know. We can just leave it in. What do you think jenny? Maybe then it's evidence Okay So leave it in and then the other part where you redo it Yep You want the good you want the good experience for the audio listeners who are the majority of our listeners And then the people who like video like to see what's really going on. We give them what's really going on There you go. Jenny is human I'll cut in some scenes from star trek. That's what really happens God Um, have you heard uh dolly parton and the other two beautiful country ladies do their duet album Give me the No, it's dolly parton emilow harris and third person whose name i for some reason forgot hold on It's called wild well the song. I like it's called wild flowers I have only I'll go ahead Roger no, I was thinking maybe it was allison crows Well, no, it's way earlier than that linda ronstein linda ronstein. I actually like linda ronstein, but I I Am not a country person. I just like two songs and that's it And linda ronstein is not country, right? No, okay. Oh, well, you know during that period there was a lot of crossover Yeah, she she got some country play with some of her songs in the 70s for sure Yeah, I like I like her and evan evan air nevel. They did some beautiful songs together Oh, yeah, definitely not exclusively country. Yeah um I mean like I don't know like during that Is this late 70s early 80s or just late 70s? I was thinking early 80s with the air nevel song because I'm because I'm thinking of juice newton who was definitely a We're aware across who was definitely a crossover She country though country embraced her they were like juice newton is country But she had she had some pop hits. You're right. That's what I'm saying. It's like she definitely did that Cross so dolly well, she did what taylor swift did she didn't juice newton just didn't make it all the way over to the other side I don't yeah, I'm with the queen of heart I just love that song. So does ellie She also likes the carpenters Top of the world. That's the only like she's crying or something and I don't know Close to me was the number one song when I was born Or let it be kind of depends on that didn't have music then Can you imagine you're being born and you hear let it be it's like nurses don't touch That'd come out on its own Let it be Oh god That's how I was born you just described it Don't touch it. Oh this alien How do I find this spotify discover? Oh the way you the way you find it is that you open iTunes you sign up for apple music and you can do that I don't be fresh. How dare you still use spotify. I love spotify I do not I like apple devices. Do you what you use apple device use it. Yeah, I do. I use apple devices I listen to apple music. I listen to spotify. All right. Is it something isn't something that's built in just better I'm such an evangelist for built-in stuff. I don't see on the opposite. I always treat if it's built in I'm like don't make tell me what to use. Oh you're one of those. Yeah I like I don't know. I like built-in See, I'm getting a weird. I'm getting a weird weight scroll or like the the thing the loading thing Spotify can't make heads or tails out of your musical tastes. I know really Uh, well, and doesn't it work better if you're a regular spotify and Taylor Swift? We are actually not Taylor Swift Miley. There's no Taylor on Spotify They know they can't figure me out So what's going on the more besides unboxings? Yeah, I just um Just living like I've been playing a lot of video games lately. Yeah Yeah It's a you see this is a good lull because there's not anything really new coming out. So i'm trying to catch up on And a lot of old games when you play games fast Do you just barrel through the main storyline and you don't do a lot of exploration or what? I am I am an explorer when it comes to those kind of open world games I and I'm one of those that has to like break every barrel and all that. Yeah So if I play Final Fantasy some it's going to be 200 hours plus because I just I'm just that kind of player Uh, for those I have I have to like try to get the secrets of things Uh, well mario games. I'm more forgiving like I don't mind missing coins and things. I'm not obsessive with that right, uh Yeah, it depends. Yeah depends on the genre All right I like it I had Crispy That probably scared me. I just didn't jump Sorry, yeah, I had I kept my cool but like inside my heart is like As much as Yeah, I was I was ready for you to do that. So yeah, you're always Prepared I think discover weekly broke my spot of five. I was born ready I Got you singing islands in the stream. Yeah, I found out about that song in the 90s from Ghetto superstar the rap the rap version And then because actually Dolly Parton and and Kenny Rogers helped them and they were in the video of the rap version Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, they they helped them make the uh, I think I forgot the group that made it And it was but yeah, it was it was a it was rap. It was really cool. And that's that's how I first heard, you know I didn't know about that song before I was like, oh, wow I think one of our proms was themed on that song The islands one. Yeah That was ghetto superstar like All right, Indiana, Indiana. Whoo Illinois Same thing it was it was but lower than Chicago, it's it's pretty much All those boxy states I've learned I've learned this lesson to be respectful to the middle of the country Yeah, I'm not going to be unrespectful. They won't tell you they're mad No, they'll just passively aggressively Uh, the big western way yes For years, we will just hold it against you. Yeah, never know Um, speaking of which I am going back in a couple weeks. I don't know the date yet Finally I haven't been back to Chicago in three years Chicago Chicago Gotta get my Italian beef. You know Some of those restaurants have made it their way to made their way to la. I still want to eat them there Well, yeah, it just feels like it's not the same. Yeah, it's pretty dark clothes But you're right. It's nothing like being in that in the original Al's these restaurants or the giardano's pizza Oh Even you know, I think unos pizzeria is like the best example of that I haven't eaten in the original unos since probably the late 90s But I remember going there and going. Oh my gosh, the chain unos is nothing like this. It is completely different I had I had the chain one when I was in New York when I was younger And I remember having the unos issue in Chicago. We actually did a school field trip there Uh, it was yeah, it was very different I'm like so I'm making me hungry and I can't eat pizza anymore. Well, you can't No, I can do still do some thin crust pizza, but unfortunately Regular pizza and god forbid deep dish pizza has become like a like a gut bomb that I can't recover from Oh, so it's not like a gluten thing or anything. Okay. Well, no, I don't know what quite it is I'm like, it's like basically my body's like no more pizza for you. Oh, okay What about crustless pizza where it's just the good parts in a big glob I don't know if that exists, but I That's called soup. So basically you take everything from a deep dish pizza and then you just scoop it out without the crust I don't have to look at it. I guess You can serve it in a bowl that is shaped and colored to look like a crust so it doesn't lose its appearance That is the most gluten-free idea I've ever heard you gluten people No, I can't do that Uh, california. All right, how's that better? I was getting a little bit of weird Yeah, that's good. Speaking of which california pizza cafe, whatever it's called is just cpk cpk pizza kitchen Kitchen, yeah, I I really want a burtu cheese to come out here. That would make me happy That was a boston-based sort of pizza tangy I lived off their rolls in college or just going and give me a bag of burtu cheese rolls with some butter I should believe you said it like that. Yeah I did They would kick her out if she didn't yeah Most of has the most unique unique accent Like completed from new york. Hey, who spotted what are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. It's like what accent what accent? I tell this story The embarrassment of my brother sometimes, but uh, he was dropping his Rs When he was a kid and the teacher talked to my parents about it and my parents are like, so he sounds like he's from boston What why is this an issue? Why are we talking about? Well, there's high boston too, which is like, uh, Mr. Spock Leonard Nimoy had a beautiful sort of like beacon hilly Snooty boston snooty boston accent. It worked on him. It worked on him didn't quite work on Others like, uh, what's his face? Died oh No, that guy a great not great in carter, but uh, uh Welcome back carter. No, you know, roger help me out here. Uh, media critic media personality don't love it With a huge boss hub beacon hill boston accent Roger eaver Here's chicago like um, like east coast media snootery. Oh, oh, you know who i'm talking about Oh, now I think I know and I care. I could fix her. He had a mustache, right? Oh Leonard malton bushy hair. Yeah malton. No, no, no, no, no, something Got wait, hold on. Hold on. The guy who's on the morning to television. No We get a big bushy mustache, right groucho groucho marks I know I know who you're talking about You shallot boston brahman accent Hold on hold on. Oh, are you carola revera? You don't love talking about he was Any other snooty things to all is You know, like you said the actor studio guy. I'm gonna know it in two seconds. Oh that guy george plimpton. Willi Oh, george. George plimpton. That's who it was. I don't think of him as a movie critic, although that George clicks it with a guitar. I said media critic media. Oh, I heard movie. That also that's what you mean He was more of a dilettante writer george plimpton dilettante writer. All right I just remember him. He went to exeter. I'm a very wealthy family and he tried out for the detroit lions and there wasn't about it He was a literary critic one of my favorite jonathan colton songs Uh called a talk with george is about jonathan colton meeting george plimpton at a party once And george plimpton like and at him asking him for advice and it's like a musical version of the advice george plimpton gave and it's beautiful He uh, he was also notable for being one of the few people who would front a video game commercial Right. He did all the intelligent ads. That's right He just did stuff. I mean that was the cool thing about him is that he just went out and was like, yeah, okay I'll try that. I'll do it. I'll front a video game person. Why not? I'll play for the lions. Yeah He was an experiencer of life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know of of of his of of his generation He was probably one of the more well-rounded Individuals I mean he did He didn't have kind of a sneering attitude toward People of different backgrounds like maybe, you know, not as a privileged background or anything like that He was just like, I'm gonna try it. That looks cool All right, I am out of the post And cord killers is coming up next After this marathon. Oh you doing it right after george plimpton songs. No, it's coming up at four o'clock. Okay You