 Welcome back into the original gangsters podcast. I am Scott Bernstein along with my Co-conspirator partner-in-crime Jimmy Bucci Lotto. Hi everyone. The doctor is in for our latest session of OG podcasting and we are Incredibly lucky to have a Exclusive interview with the real life Lamar Silas you're watching black mafia family right now the breakout star of the show Outside of the little Meach playing big Meach is the main antagonist this season the characters name is Lamar Silas in reality Lamar Silas is Layton the Beast Simon Mr. Simon, thank you for joining us on the original gangsters podcast and Letting America know letting the whole world know the real story behind the black mafia family television show that is now on the stars cable network and is Just become a real hot-button topic for pop culture television enthusiasts So Layton mr. Simon, let's tell us. What are your feelings on the show? Do you like the way you're being portrayed or do you feel like you know, they've taken kind of creative liberties with your character Okay, like the parts I haven't really seen all of it, but the parts I have me is like Cartoonish to me, you know saying I don't understand it, but that's not me, you know So I don't know they took two sets of me books and put it together and came up with it But that's not me. Okay, so let's give people a little perspective Maybe that for those who haven't watched the show or those are not incredibly well versed on the history of the Detroit underworld, but the black mafia family Demetrius big meets Flannery and his brother Terry Flannery. They came up in the southwest part of Detroit some, you know referred to as downriver in some areas and Downriver is kind of split up There's kind of a white downriver area and then there's there's a black downriver area and this area that Layton Simon and the Flannery's come from is a cluster of smoggy factory villages river Rouge e-course Taylor, Inkster, and then parts of Southwest Detroit that all kind of cluster together and Layton came up And I'm gonna let you expand on it in a second came up in the 70s underneath the the the big downriver drug Don Walter the black fox case on and then Did a prison sentence came out of prison and kind of squared off with the Flannery brothers over? Territory in that part of town. That's not true No, they met and case I went in the back room and came out with two forty five This ain't and just took this shit. It wasn't no when you say it was like Yeah, get together. No, it was just took it. Wait, so let's let's let's again Let's clarify for the audience. Are you saying that Walter case on had a issue with the Flannery brothers? Yeah, the issue For our day money like I say he just oh man, so when did what I got? Let's get the timeline straight here I thought that that case on Was locked up at the time that the Flannery's were coming on the scene But that they were but Walter case on at that point was still on the street. Yeah case. I was out. Okay I mean soon soon case down got out. He started move on week He took it he took it from him. No, did he bought a cell for bands and he bought a cell for range rope? Allegedly, you know, yeah, and you were one of Walter case on's kind of most trusted lieutenants Harold Stinson But what weren't you as well late? I know I know Harold Stinson was but weren't you also Working for for the black box. Well, that's kind of like a long story when they when they fell out I was more like with Harold than I was with a son. Okay So let's just start from the beginning of your story So just tell us the start of late and Simon like where you grew up What you were doing as a young man and then how you got into the game and got introduced to Walter case on and Harold Stinson But I grew up playing baseball, you know, that that's one of my greatest hobbies, you know So I met a hero through his brother. His brother was named We just called him chubby Okay, so on the way over for me to play this baseball game in the area. I stopped by And it was a young guy. I did a name. He's called him dirty diamond dirt Okay, my man had a he had a ring on like all together was like 20 cares Okay, and I asked about dirty diamond dirt so he told me up so They told me about Harold so basically that's how I met him through dirty diamond dirt Not this many. That's how I got with him. I always do about arrow and kubei is a brother And case I did was all cool. They grew up together But like like it always happened family members A sign case on had a nephew It ended up telling him telling on him, but his nephew jumped on Harold And be a real bad So this is the story of all the OGs from that down river area just for for people that are from Detroit Just so you know, uh, mr. Simon a lot of our audience is from, you know, isn't from Detroit They're from around the world. So we just have to explain to them You know how Detroit operates, you know, how Detroit's Geography lays out. So the people that we're talking about right now were the OG's of that area Before the flenaries were really even born in some cases or were even in Detroit Correct. So so yeah, so keep on telling your story. That's what I was saying I was at the age like 14. I thought it would do when I was 14 So this would have been in the in the 70s. Yeah, it would be like I would say 72 because I brought a brand-new liquid at 73. Well, not a brand-new one, but I brought a liquid 73.15 and This is kind of guy ever would He was gonna use his whole crew. We would he bought them all Cadillacs brand of Cadillacs But when he came to me, I kind of like I like to get things on my own I don't like people from things to me, you know, say that we owe somebody money You can't go to sleep when you want to you got to get that money So I told her no thank me and I got I got myself together and bought my own car You don't say it But now, you know, like you said worldwide. It was a guy they call Philip Walls That just the camel was working on them. You know where the chest of camel? Yes, of course Okay, for people that don't know just Chester Campbell was one of the most infamous hitman ever to walk the streets of Detroit And he worked with African-Americans he was African-American but he worked in the African-American underworld and he also worked with the Italians and was His reputation wrong from coast-to-coast in America more than just Detroit Right. Yeah, cuz you said he tried it first. I hear you now. No, it wasn't just Detroit, you know, he wouldn't do my time Yeah, so, you know a matter of fact when he ran it through his pole and the police discovered his policy hitman, but I You say you're not from Detroit. No, we're from Detroit We're just telling you that our audience of thousands and thousands of people that are listening Okay, that are not from Detroit. Well, right, but this is how deep this guy was, you know, he and I knew you I'm talking a little bit about knocker. He deceived now a lot of names I'm not going to talk about don't say maybe a code or something like that, but When they found this book Bill Barnes was the first one on the people to hit Bill Barnes Now, you know, it's Bill Barnes that didn't drunk at the end of his career Well, I don't know if it was just at the end, but yes He was a known heavy drinker after he was done giving the nightly news on television. He'd hit the bars Now, I'll tell my athletes thought out about that that book No second when he found about that book This was just it was still out. He got out. You know, so that and Brooke Patterson Yeah well, so what Layton is referring to is that Chester Campbell was Eventually brought down by the government on a routine what started off as a routine traffic stop Out in the suburbs actually in Kegel Harbor, Michigan, which is right out on the west side West Bloomfield Ormigan Hills area and he was going out to visit his girlfriend and The police started chasing him They eventually caught him after like a 20-mile chase and they found a black book that had that was like a hit list of judges politicians media members like Bill Bonds politicians like Patterson and then they had their addresses and Their phone numbers and then he had like a murder kit in his trunk, right? Now it downfall is when he went it when he went to visit his parole officer I ain't paying for all his pocket. And when it brought up to pick it up. It was a pistol. It was it was like I'm like what they called him a pangun was a pangun. He was like just for people. Yeah for people that have Never heard of Chester Campbell Try to imagine if you had a evil James Bond 007 and you you melded him with John Wick the fictional John Wick and Hannibal Hannibal Lecter and you have Chester Campbell Now the animal electric part was This uh, I don't know if you can say they he was gay and they was Dixie Dixon you think Chester was homosexual No, no, no, no I'm not saying that it was like when you say far I think it says about you know cutting up and promise or like that Now that was just that they call it Dixie Dixie he would cut people up Well, it was a he see Now you do your research do it do it on Dixie So to keep on telling us your story. So you're coming up in the 70s under Harold Stinson and how does he? Eventually get together with case on They grew up together. Okay. Well, they grew up together, but you come on how they end up having a few Yes, so eventually Stinson and case on fell out They fell out because Bobby jumped on Linda Now bobby was case on nephew Linda Stinson was held sister So there was a friend of mine's house to give they called him to give us back there and They used to always like I'll make the argument as far as who had the most money So it led up to Bobby jumping on her And beating the real bad So when Bob's didn't find out He went down to the bar Because they let you know I was looking for one of the stencils They couldn't find they couldn't find water whatever but they ran into a guy named Al Al Stinson You know saying and he ends up shooting bobby lady so by the month after that allegedly Carol ran into another stinson in a club called The name of the game and killed him You know saying so it's like it just got deeper off of it. It started with two people that did that basically One person didn't have nothing to do With the drug likes with the girl where bobby Bobby was with K-sound for a minute till he told like he told everything on him You know what I'm saying But it started like that it started with a little ball fell into because like I say hero They sound with the best friends but the part I can't understand now He is K-sound his best friends with kubay now which kubay is Harold brother Did herald end up dead? Yes, they they He was at ubicube It's a club here called ubicube. It's a popular club you know Everybody had on like four thousand or ten thousand hours club was on so they got into it and they followed him home So bobby had been doing bringing Wifey training for like eight months Okay, now the dad named Dave Johnson Who they said did it was legally blind? That's why k-sound this almost kind of uh He was kind of wise he he put it up like Dave did it and that's how they beat the case because they found out Dave couldn't even sleep But they caught they caught hill going through the house And started like I don't even um and bled to death So when does walter case on get locked up? I would say like maybe Eight years after that. So did you get locked up the case? Did you get locked up with walter? Not what if I was it I was in there. I was in there with him. You know what I'm saying Yeah, that was like How long did did you serve? three all together three years So you come out and when do you first meet the flannery brothers at the fight at a First in the story. So it was haggler and timmy heron's fight. I know who did that because uh in vegas How'd that had like 81 to win until detroit came in they changed eyes Everybody from detroit was betting on tommy herons the favorite son. Yes because one of the reason why everyone that every every fight at that Margaret fought he went the whole round In beating the fight timmy and heron knocked all of them out You know like the ran flavors But mother haggler fought them He called No, can I say hell? I don't know. Yeah, you can yeah, you can swear. It's okay Okay, but he called he called hell with so everybody was deeped up that I was gonna do the same thing that Now I'm standing there watching Some young guy kept on bubbling to me at first. I didn't pay no attention But then when I spoke out to 50 boys You know what I'm saying? I'm like wait a minute, you know, this you know, this guy keeps bubbling to me Again, he'd go back over there and talk with them 50 boys So The next time again, I said my man the next time you you bump into me I'ma do great body. Huh to you. Okay Man, I'm sorry. I'll I'll probably dad love it. You ain't got to do all that Just don't bump into me no more because I mean it's obvious that you're doing no purpose No, I don't The 50 boys building you up or something. I don't know why you're doing this here. You know, but that's how I made the fight So this you were in in vegas. This is Yes, oh, wow And scott tell us about the 50 boys crew just for some yeah, so uh The 50 boys crew was a small real fun Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tee it up for you and then and then you you're gonna give some color to the Story, I'm about to tell the audience the 50 boys. I'm gonna get a truth to it 50 boys was a uh a small neighborhood drug clique In in this down river area in detroit that got the name 50 boys because they sold Uh 50 uh 50 dollar packs of drugs and they were led by a a small time local Drug boss named edrick ed boyd and they're In the in the in the show in the black mafia family show when you meet Demetrius and terry they are part of the 50 boys crew and so That's right now if you're watching the show Demetrius is a 50 boy So tell us who tell us who the 50 boys were in your mind uh I would say poppy gotta call poppy and You know basically, all right, this would happen for If get my attention I was on electric and my brother had took a bag for one of them Full of 50s and he said you know, that's called the dogs at all. Yeah, it's like These 50s look like eight balls. It's just a bullet. Shit. It can't be So when he showed me one, I damn never thought to tell like damn I don't fucking think they were necessary. It was like eight balls were figured out Okay Now that kind of like it didn't really affect me It affected me on like in detroit a little bit for a minute On twill street because I rule twill street. I don't really get there for them But it was dry on twill street for about eight years with no problem therefore, you know one time when they try to you know End of my turf they they start trying to sell dope And the driveway other party now My sorry as people call me over there to take care of I'm like y'all take care of it That's not about that's not my problem So, you know, one of my boys wasn't there my green my green with a hammer the rest of them just like You know, they was Who when I came over there real quick Well real quick Layton, I'm learning this myself. Um So in the in the in the show you have Demetrius and terry being with the 50 boys And then you have this other crew known as the twillth street boys Are you saying that that twillth street area was your Uh territory Anybody take I had that twill street at this apartment. It was about like eight units there I had that I had that spot for about I'll say eight years And I left because I wanted to because I think they they was connected with this police named sam and sam moved in the apartment So I said, I don't you know, I'm gonna deal with all this just I just left I left the insulin They ain't run nobody off. They couldn't run nobody off. Now if we know this in the movie Uh They said well, you know, they can't slow the day we in we ain't been getting me and they didn't see them Talk about the 50s, right? What happened I came out what I called fliss don't I had the same size they had but it was for $10 So they only was 50 boys for about a week. I wiped them out with the fliss don't understand eight balls for $10 And didn't have that Reckon sort on it. Well, they was doing they were calling that double bubble shit They take they take an ounce and make two ounces. That's how they was doing that But my price was so low. I could do it for allegedly for In dollars Like I said, they said they said it in the movie. Like it was it was slow for Yeah, it was slow for y'all because it was all And he let you let you was called fliss How's your ad on electric was called fliss don't help Because the rocks were so big You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so was was there a 12th street boys crew? Like who were they? Seriously, I know like I said, I just heard about a few of my brother But you know Like all this shit being like get that morning what it was. Okay, so was the one you talking about edrick What's he saying? Not He used to call my boy As me could he come out here Three times his ass family His allegedly wife died And he made a phone call up to my people as late as all right for me to visit my wife's room okay, so I don't know where they get that the couriest the couriest That's how the couriest person Don't have to call people to ask can they come back today? They would He needs facts you know what I'm saying and basically At this time Bobby was under hell Bobby was like the guy's father that was out here. So Bobby, you know, he bought He had a meeting so I'm like, yeah, he come on. He come on anytime you want to know. I wish you would stop asking me that shit You know what I'm saying? So you're saying that the ed would have to ask your permission to come back into the neighborhood He wouldn't talk to me. He would talk to a friend of mine. You know, I have an appetite You know what I said, but I would call him Bob beat Now we do your research. You don't find out who he is But Bob Bobby beat He used to call him And then he had called me understand and that was Yeah, my permission couldn't come back out here now. He don't know that It's a certain time you can be in with tenant windows doctor to the windows but you know I have friends to tell me who we were So when he did just come out here without so-called asking me he had come out here in the all hidden out car You know Would you think I didn't know But I'm a street person. I can tell when the car Has spotted me and it slows down And then it bags up and shit. So I did my research and I found out who it was Who was in that car You know what I'm saying And I mean, you know, it's no such thing as a motherfucker ruling Ruling, you know, a certain area. It just that's something that Has given a person here. The police ruled this area if you want to get down to the truth You know what I'm saying? And that's one of the reason why they give me so much light And I'm proud of myself. I never did work with the police. Never will You know what I'm saying? But when you get to a certain level, they're coming at you Even you don't work for Or they're gonna bust you So are we talking about corrupt police? Is that what that's what we're saying, right? Yeah. I mean the dpd was notorious back then for Being involved in the drug trade or extort or extorting those that were involved in the right, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's me. I came up doing stress Now I'm gonna tell you how well stress was for our skilled people. We used to be on the corner Now when the big boy with the big hole came They would jump out and beat us up or whatever the shit take us up or whatever the shit. Okay, that's cool, but When stress was created Dress you to take you and kill you Okay Now It got so bad when we was on the corner when you left the big races They'll pull up. We just not shooting at them. You might as well You know what I'm saying? We just got to shoot that stress Because when they take you If they take three people One gonna be David Okay, the last one Last one a kid was malice green Yeah, let's let the audience view it as self-defense. Let's let the audience know Not stress the the people in the but let's tell let's tell the audience what stress is. So stress was a uh an undercover drug unit Put into place in the Detroit police department in the early 70s And kind of given a for all intensive purposes given a license to kill on the street Right, uh, it was a uh, it was a high uh high priority unit that only the top Drug cops could get on and then once they got on the on the stress unit They were let loose and there was Something like two I might be misquoting the number, but there was something like two dozen uh Suspicious killings Uh, that this stress unit was involved in and this is what Layton is is is referencing where The people that they were Obstensibly trying to arrest Ended up dead either after questioning or So so and then he also referenced the big four Which was a I think the precursor to stress Which was a a group of four police officers back in the late 60s That would come and kind of use Thuggish law enforcement tactics on the guys. Yes And stress Stressed stood for stop the robberies enjoy safe streets. It was an acronym just for if people aren't familiar with the History of they were talking about themselves though. Yeah Right. They oughta been They had one named hawk. He was like 300 and 60 pounds. He was the main one But the big big big folk, you know, that was You know, he would make you like try to sell dope You know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying So I guess that money was too slow. So they created stress Now I'm gonna tell you That's where the president's because it was him. It was the most I'm getting out here Called the blue angels. It was on force being out of drive They used to kill one of them like every two weeks And were they were they mostly a white group? Yeah, there's a white motorcycle the blue angels. Okay, they're blue angels They wasn't present about what he was doing. They were killing both races I think there was part of building the stress unit was Uh, diversifying The the policing in detroit. I think there were a number of African-american police officers that were put on that stress unit. I never seen one. Oh, okay. I could be wrong. You you lived it I've just researched it. You're the You're the og's og here. You might be right My response was I never seen one. I know jimmy. I know jimmy harris who was a very very prominent Dpd officer in the 80s who worked directly for colman young and was involved in all the white boy rick Uh shenanigans. I know he was uh, um a member of the stress unit and he's african-american So that's kind of part of what i'm what i'm okay. I got you. Okay. Well, you know They didn't he didn't come out to celebrate for a month. I know It's uh, it's a whole The southwest part of detroit that down river area of river rouge e-course Uh inkster taylor like it's a city within a city. I mean people Uh people talk about detroit. They talk about the east side. They talk about the west side. Um But southwest detroit in that era that area. I can't say Whenever i'm trying to say area. I say era that area Um is just it's it's a world within a world within a world Um, and it's been like that for a long time because that that's where all the auto major auto plants were a lot of the um Uh southern migration up to the midwest starting in the you know in the 40s and 50s Uh african-american families coming up for jobs in the auto factories You either you know, uh set up shop east side west side or southwest where you were actually closer To the plants where you were actually living like down the street from the plant as opposed to having to take a bus ride to where you were working and uh It's it's very it's a very unique area And if you're not if you haven't lived it if you haven't been in it, it's hard to explain to people Let me ask uh Layton so because southwest detroit was it's you know, such a unique part of the city We're were you familiar with any of like the the major kingpins that we know about from that period on the east side or the west side like Butch jones you mentioned chester cambell. What about like marzett jones or marzett right marzett curry boy, right? Did any of those guys ever have any interactions with with with the guys that were in southwest detroit? No, not not not that i that i know He comes from a different world man than the east side and the west side guy they like they program they like far 20 or 25 Now what we was trying to do Is get off into it and get out and stop businesses But you I found out you never tell Anybody when you finna get out because the police find out and they coming at you One thing about them movies All that is true. Yeah when you know that was sugar here. That was sugar hill I mean a lot more other movies like super flat all that They don't want you to get out. You know see like if you tell like if you tell you you're right here man Somehow it gets back to me You know what i'm saying And you know how I get back to I just said my right here man like and see you could be standing so what you like Uh when I stop trust me my right here man I'm standing i'm standing on the corner and everybody's speaking to me and he said damn Like everybody's speaking and you won't even speak to me. You know what i'm saying see things like that you gotta pay attention to You know what i'm saying because they're giving you a warning That they want what you got You know what i'm saying, you know Expand on what you said about the east side being flamboyant because you got a lot of flash and that's over there Oh a lot of flash and that I don't know why they couldn't see white boy rick coming You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't go nowhere near him The boy was number 14. It was like I didn't need to do some research on this guy you know what i'm saying but He had a nice car I believe he had the white billions then and he had the ropes around his neck So everybody just gravitated to him because of that I wouldn't fuck with him. I made him old Hamilton and uh Hamilton like six mile road He left the car park in the middle of the street and got out But all four doors opened and got out went to the store But one of them guys was a guy named they called huggy bear not huggy bear bush jones But jones wrote a book about this fat guy far away. That's a lot huggy bear used to set up shop And when he made like 60 he gave like 60,000 a day Bruce used to come and drop his crew off And basically, uh It's like a takeover But he would he used to follow huggy every way a huggy went Butch would go You know what i'm saying Poe Raymond people Raymond people had a destiny to trust that guy. Yep You know, so you could put that together what happened. You know what i'm saying, but uh You know butch. I didn't respect butch You know what i'm saying because he used he used a lot of kids You know what i'm saying let me kill a lot of kids He's because they wanted to get paid He's because they wanted to buy their mama some milk or some bread now. He don't work these boys at death What do you do here working with death and then fire or beat them up and then get another crew You know, I'm like No person that's in this game, you know, she'll be looked up to But a lot of times we had nobody else to look up to that would you hear there's a lot that's what they left us And then it was dropped off in that neighborhood But you ain't got to be that vicious like that man. You used for the kids, you know make money like that You know what i'm saying, so Butch Jones was the head of ybi young boys incorporated If you're watching the black mafia family show They've been referenced a number of times as being real inspirations to the flannery brothers for Well, the black mafia family organization that it would eventually take flight that they were using some of the blueprint of ybi ybi was started by Butch Jones and baby ray peoples and ww wonderful wane davis and allegedly like latin said bush jones had both baby ray peoples and ww murdered and just kind of Wanted the whole thing for himself and he was using allegedly and he was using 11 12 year old 10 year old boys on elementary school Uh Playgrounds to be the guys that were moving his product and uh, I mean i'm so about i'm gonna cut y'all But i'm not talking about he was using kids that was living with rats You know because their mama wouldn't bring a nothing bad. You know what i'm saying rats was eating them You know what i'm saying and and then the boys Had to bring something home or you know, they might try to eat they sell You know what i'm saying? Oh, he's such a sucker So when you get real hungry your mind go to a survival mode You know what i'm saying you kind of lose your mind you want to eat You're all public is that what would happen in Louisiana? They were doing it doing that flood but Like I said, I didn't respect him and then when he wrote that book He put k-sine name in there. He's no k-sine you know what i'm saying and The people that was like after k-sine. They was all dead shit, but when he used k-sine He brought them back out. You know, he brought the people back out after k-sine, you know, that's kind of like I would say Not drastic. He just knits it. Yeah, he wrote a book a bush. He with the what he's referencing is that in 1996 or seven bush jones put out a self-published autobiography where He just let it all fly. I mean Fast and loose and told you know told everybody's secrets And every story every anecdote was kind of made to a To for like a self-aggrandizing purposes for butch Yeah, meanwhile, he's throwing all these people underneath the bus And not just bringing not just bringing heat to him but bringing heat to them Now you remember the part where you say He's here in it and a guy was carrying away for this guy to bring him. I was out Yep, giving a guy bucks. That was how he hit him I'm like damn That case might be still open. What kind of deal did he made with people? They know he's just say something like that So, you know, I I didn't believe it. You know what I'm saying like I say You know, I might be putting up because I'm gonna tell you the truth about what I went through You know what I'm saying, but I know I I didn't I didn't I did matter fact I kept on telling huggy, man. What you love? You know what I'm saying I think they got the dinners off You know what I'm saying? I never did that term because when uh case And his case They said that case on said to take Harold out And he's always saying take Harold out where? to lunch You know said to a basketball game or what? uh, you knew what mr. Cason said Where he meant where he said that this body is so-called nephew was up on stand this telling this telling and the reason why he told It's because he thought case I was sleeping with his wife, right I don't give a damn if it was and I'm making that much money what they was making You know he didn't wait for Now they put both of them supposed to put boxing gloves on and went in the backyard and sell it that shit No, this food goes to fan The fans was really on case I'm far as this three, you know words, you know You know how they do they might work on him But it was not in the street that they were looking for case I until Bobby told everything Yeah, so And that's where we start losing a village now like I'll tell them my boy. I said, you know what? Black people unconsciously was like following the mob They was doing like the mob was doing You know, I said we was talking not this next, you know, you've got to go to jail go to jail Now out of 10 we keep a monster everybody go home because they don't have nothing Any time they think we want to talk to you, they don't have it all They want you to put it together, but when uh, what's his name joe veloci Yeah, joe veloci When he started snitching It just stopped. It's that catch it on It's that catch it on You know what I'm saying and didn't they crack came out He backed them when I was coming up. You had to have a reputation to get off and do this business You had to have one You know, you had to have hard Now when they crack came out you had grandmothers Great great love I was against the wall where the guy was born in 1896. What's that? But I was on the east side. They came in on the I said damn 1896 How was your brother fit? You know what I'm saying? So it's like everything just changed everything to change. No, it's a different world. I didn't know you know what I'm saying Just like when you you had to be for the police. We had to be for one like now my brother He had caught a case of infamy, but we didn't know about it So we were at now visit like 20 deep and this guy Was notorious Damn, I'm getting like that. He's a police officer. I think that ballhead got the movie is playing his part I'm not for sure But samry had no ball he had no like that But he was very he was he was on both sides of the law So he's talking about the steve harris character who uh, if you're familiar with the the television show the practice Back in the day, he was in that and then he was all he was also in sugar hill. I'm pretty sure steve harris Played the they called him god. They played him goggle. They called him goggles I think I do remember something like that. Yeah, so uh Layton let's we only got about 10 minutes left and I want to I don't want to bury the I don't want to bury the lead here. We can definitely have you back on you're always welcome On the og podcast because you are a true og's og and we always benefit from the knowledge the insight and the perspective from You know going to the root of what we study getting to the uh, you know To the uh, the crux of the issue is going right to the source for people like yourself to school The the bg's like jimmy and I the og's need to school the bg's but um And if you're uncomfortable talking about this, I get it, but uh, let's just talk about this last 10 minutes about I'm not I'm not used to it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, go ahead. Let's talk about how Demetrius funnery ended up leaving Detroit. So that story's never really been told The reason why I told you about saving all that because it got out And this is one of the why one of the reasons why He didn't want to fuck with me. That's why I brought that out You know certain of the things that I have done He knew I wasn't at the fuck with yep, you know point blank because I don't Ask me a question I was just saying that Why did I why did I shoot him? No, we don't we don't we don't have to go into that at this second, but just let's start from Let's start from there was there was a a couple years there where things got pretty intense And uh, your brother ended up being killed in a shooting Uh at a coney island in may of 1987 That I know no, no, no, that's not what happened No, was that what you tell me what the They don't tell me that without you got a whole bunch of sounds though. Everybody big come on Go ahead. I didn't make a joke. Go ahead. No, you tell me you tell me you're you're am I right? Which one what which you do you tell me about your brother out your outfit your brother Elvis was was killed, right? Yeah, but I'm I'm trying to ask you what shooting is you refer to because It was that listen listen though. It was the guy shot five times five different times So you if you talk about the meeting, isn't it? Yeah, it was that's real when you got here. Okay But this this this is what I found out uh Now that bro that's playing a part in being with uh You run Damn, they picked a good one. She they they looked just in like Now the type of bitch she was right. She was a straight up troublemaker I should try to get my brother like the method them girls are equal So they just fact tasted all of them was but they was beautiful But at the same time, that's not what we looked at for we looked at for like nurses Or you know somebody that's opposite from you But one day she called me over there And when my brother called me said I don't want to talk to him. That's why I go over there He said I'm going to go down town and meet some people And if I'm not back in 15 minutes, I'm dead That's uh We should so what you think I should do So I looked at my brother like I said, well, let's hear First of all, don't go If you think somebody gonna kill you You know, don't go You know what I said? I said, that's what the fuck you called me over here for Because I could stand the bitch You know what I'm saying because you want them, you know It's that case that she'd go from my brother to another one And I don't know why he liked a woman like that, but okay It was it was his birthday and me and him and that really had time That hang that much, you know what I'm saying? Cause we was just like in different worlds and shit though, right? But that was that was my dog though, but Damn, he was difficult, you know what I'm saying? I mean that mother would shoot you if you just Said hi to it He was just getting a peanut God to shoot out in church Because peanut, peanut wanted his ring back Then my brother was wearing it, my brother told him Like listen, they gonna show it off. I'll give it back to you when we leave Peanut stopped in the air in the church David that church was that that picture Where the miles? Where the miles? He started shooting up his hair They might got that ring back My brother still wouldn't give it to him, shit, right? So they they feel best with it And he knew peanut wasn't gonna shoot You're like, you know what I'm saying? He was just kind of wild. So Andrew I believe and L was that guy in the beef about that girl But I was on L was about why you got me that shit alone because You know, we finna get out. I'm finna start a business for our selling clothes. I met this guy in japan He gave me Gators for $20 real gators and Adidas Adidas was real hot back then For $10 and it was legit. They were the same the same thing people was getting a hundred something So I bought a store and I was getting ready, you know, go legit That's only the reason why I think he didn't tell me that he was shooting with my brother, right? Now when I went there They kept on telling me he had a gun But I'm saying like, so he got a gun Now they're telling me this and they got a gun And him and L has been beefing You know, I trust my brother a lot to this to this day because he didn't tell me because even I was just for the left To avoid that bullshit because I'm on another level now. I ain't I'm not only a game to shit no more You know, I'm approved my point which I just really proved no point. That was just me See a lot of them over try to be gayser You know that cartoon gatorship deal with this my personal dollars So if you want to call me gayser, I guess that's what I would But I didn't fuck with nobody unless they fuck with me So anyway, so anyway I go talk to about right playing the bathroom right green. We talking They got no edgy and some strange got on the bathroom So I'm fixing the bitch. I said god damn it. What the fuck can't you go nowhere to talk? No, he motherfuckers. You don't know all the while this nigga his point didn't dig out to me You know, you know, he was gonna kill me You know what I'm saying because he knew I was that boy I don't know shit. So I left about Me and my guys finish talking to shit. So a line the pool is up So Elvis about to say we start talking about it like, you know I forget what we said to but the shit was funny because I remember laughing like a motherfucking shit, don't But this nigga start shooting this shit so He made you tell him one time me and I grabbed it I grabbed him and used him as a shield So the guy wouldn't shoot me yet because I had to make you know, let me go You ain't going nowhere and they could cheat until this month around the bullets or something You know what I'm saying? so My brother was coming around the corner and the guy shot him and He died instantly. I think I've seen it. I see his ass. So That's one part I could say was you know, it was part of jail You know what I'm saying? Me and that game that game she couldn't happen like that But he didn't suffer. He went straight out because if I had to get shot him in his heart and shit like You know what I'm saying? So Now the meat is going around Now I might be ahead of myself and ask you a question. Yeah, or or you got some more. I mean Now I'm just trying to see where I'm at with it. Yeah. No, no keep keep keep on going. This is a good story Okay, so so so so so so now The meat is going around so much He has something to do with it here. So like I said Bobby called us together Because this is getting on my nerves. So what happened? My nephew got killed You know, he got big to death You know, so I was I was sitting there for an hour. There's something to contain You know, the n-word Instead of Mickey said He had nothing to do with killing your nephew either. I like what the fuck This boy leave me to fuck around with this bullshit, right? So We talked about it. I said look me You need to like put it on this shit, man Because you know, it's starting to get on my goddamn nerve. I'm telling you I'm gonna be on my bad side, man You know what I'm saying? So he said they quietly would open shit So the next day I come in the club You know, I had a mink made that Two people had to hold it motherfucker every night. Yeah, you know what I'm saying his mink coat This is for people that aren't from detroit one of the two things that are really big in the in the straight street culture are mink coats and gator boots, so I don't know what they what they do in other parts of the country But if you're trying to show off you're going around the city of detroit and you want to show everyone that you're a true og You show up in a You know a train length mink coat with uh with gator boots on yeah, because they they thought I wasn't before but I wasn't off the real gator boots. I was off in the gator, but I didn't like them cowboy Cowboys look just you know what I'm saying I do right basically go to new york and have my own style made up Because you you take a few shoes in new york They can make them up a little bit like a half hour You know what I'm saying So I had to pay I had to pay a gator Alligator I was in front of that motherfucker Huh that's some og that's some og shit a lot of people So like So that day when I came in in the perfect beat I said you might put together a little bit to me real good. I said beat when I said the name okay now Come in the perfect beat is by 20 of the With the bag mouth or something Okay, they'll be 50 boy 50 boy then okay. I come in the club man my wife was on the club Now I get they they got out that I had a boot see the coat I have made I had a pocket made for my You know I'm saying so I could go I could put my hand in the coat And I had to put it out. It just It'd go to work In my pocket Well, that's too much time to be putting them up. I'm gonna do so. All right now They got up and well Damn, they're way like the motherfucker off. What y'all? I'm like Fuck all these motherfuckers now the man that came to me say listen man You've got to stop one of my damn customers off the muffler scatting you and shit All right, you know what I'm saying now I know it was me and and I don't like his brother was there You know what I'm saying, but I gotta throw this in kind of quick. I kind of respect me No Because he didn't tell he didn't tell it. There isn't that that occurred You know, I said like I can say we talked about that another time when I when I got when I got it Into his deep with it Because I'm angry this fuck man. It's like the woman is going around, you know, I said I try my best not to tear But when he said that boy over it just pissed me off now. He knew I stayed on the apple street And he had to call me out It's about 20 of them Yeah, yeah, so it's about it. It's about Like I say I say 20 because you know people always add over shit, but it was about 15 of them shit, but like But I turned the corner They all watched me party like a motherfucker So I was there that don't ask this respect because I told him I'm tired of the rumors And you know, basically you didn't stay away from me for a while. Don't be putting yourself in my face So I went home Yama who's he came back up there? I come down to say but the police was standing outside there. It was in front of What they call a many states three of I ain't give a fuck. I pulled up in the corny island God in it. He's really deep with me each And if these 17 rounds at this motherfucker And I damn didn't love it that he was so far underneath the sand wheel I said, what the fuck that? and I ended up on the hilly one time in the neck. I was like god damn, but I jumped on the plane and went to Buffalo Buffalo, New York, right? I ain't no where the fuck I was at But when I call all of our people they say he was all right. I was like, damn You know, but he took off he left Detroit at that point Yeah Yeah, that's when he That's that's when you know, I already took off and shit though, which I don't blame because I wasn't I wasn't really finished This was uh, this was a yes, you were not finished He if he wouldn't have left you would have finished the job clearly allegedly Allegedly, you know what I'm saying, you know, because like I I try to talk to him the further but you know what I'm saying, so She I guess he he he told me for getting rich in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying But This has been amazing You are a walking soundbite and a great storyteller. This has to be one of the the true Epic episodes that we've put together in our couple years of doing this whenever we can get it Right from the the the horse's mouth if you will Um, it's it's priceless. It's it's invaluable. Uh, we want to have you back on as soon as possible Uh, and we just yeah in studio. We wanted to have you in studio Uh, you can come in we'll go out to eat afterwards top it up a little more and let everyone know the real story Um Of of the black mafia family started here started with leighton simon. They call him the beast and uh for people that are watching the show right now Lamar Silas the real Lamar Silas is leighton the beast simon and we uh couldn't Thank thank you. We could we can't thank you enough for coming on the og podcast and and sharing with us your story and your knowledge Yeah, that kind of made me comfortable Because i'm not used to talking You know what i'm saying? I i'm not really a talker But you know the way you're treating me i respected that so, you know, we respect you to your brother You know what i'm saying feel like i say No brag, but in fact i got a lot more about Southwest Detroit And about all the real gangsters, man, you know what i'm saying? Yep the real ones the ones that didn't tell on each other Yep This is this is i keep on saying this is the og's og I mean when you're talking about someone that's an og and and you're talking about who does an og look up to They look up to leighton simon All right, and then like i said i got i got a couple bubbles out of them too, you know what i'm saying And i gotta say my man bob bob bob at the beat was one of Leighton this was great. You've done it all you've said it all We're gonna wrap up right now. Please check us out on all the social media accounts like share um What else do they do jimmy? Yeah, spread the word tiktok facebook twitter Instagram ad gangster podcast Right now that's how we're you know our analytics are going up man more downloads more likes and it's all because you know word of mouth people Spreading the word people gonna people gonna like people gonna like this leighton. They're gonna love man. Listen, man This is it like i say y'all baby come with us What's his name vibe? Right dj black Yeah, he did shit out. He was fun. He thought he was gonna get some shit after you're all the way around the world Came back to nothing. He said man, you ain't tell me nothing. Yeah Yeah, I don't like you No, the question you asked But uh, i'm gonna stick with my boy and hear them, you know You know, this is my right arm right here. Thanks leighton man and shout out to jd Shout out to jd. Who's a big friend of the program and and uh, someone i consider Family down in southwest. Detroit. He's my guy and we're gonna have him on the show as well So thanks a lot jd for setting this up. Thank you leighton simon jimmy butchilato scott burnton We'll be back next week with the og podcast. We are out