 Welcome to Toppy TV, it's the final word, I'm joined by Sarah from the Blue Room, Bournemouth 2, Everton 2, you were there Sarah, how disappointing was? Do you know what, I'm still really, really, really gutted about it to be honest with you. I mean, I think I do take these things particularly hard, like I'll hold a grudge about things, it takes me... Forever. Yeah, forever, it takes me a few days, I mean, on the surface of things, actually, we've started the season pretty well. But I was saying to you before, wasn't I, that, and you kind of agreed, we should really be on nine points here. Seven at least. Seven at least, yeah, because I think when you look back to the Walls game even, poor decisions, I think, ultimately we kind of threw that game away with the help from the referee, and the same thing. We can't purely blame the referee. No, no. Because, you know, we should have been able to see that outcome comfortably. I don't get into that, but no, I mean, I suppose the biggest disappointment, you'll know more because you were there, it's different when you're not there and you're watching on TV, and almost when you're watching it on TV, I think you can see what's going to happen more than I think sometimes when you're at the match and you're caught up in it. I think probably, and I know this from going on again for years and years and years, but it's that position, especially when you're in a away game, of just being so happy, especially when you're there, you're so happy because you're winning, you know, you're getting to see an away game, and you're winning, and everything that goes with it, and then for it to be taken away from, yeah. You can't look at things on the surface. No. There has to be that disappointment, because otherwise you wouldn't be a football fan. I was going to say, I don't think you'd be human if you were blue and didn't feel a bit gutted after that result. I mean, again, like you said, it's different if you're not there. I've been on the other side of it, you know, when we've played away, and I've just seen the highlights or whatever, and you think that looks decent, that looks fair, but we've seen how they edit things, and they've got to, of course, we can't see the whole game back all the time, but when I watched it back, I thought, yeah, actually, a draw kind of looks fair. They had a few chances that they should have taken prior to their goals, but when you tune it up, you know, from the position we were in, 10 men, half time, you know, people are saying, probably take a point, then to get into a position where we're a goal up, then level it up with the 10 men, and then go two up, it's just... It's that other thing as well, it's having that, like, going down to 10 men, I know they went down to 10 men, but it's having that thing of being down to 10 men, playing for over, you know, 45 minutes to 50 minutes with 10 men. If you see how it's a game like that, it galvanizes everyone. It's like the players know they've put the effort in, the fans have gone through it, the fans know the players have gone through it, and I think those performances are what galvanize fans with teams. I'm not saying that the fans are not with the players, because I know they are, but I think if you come through those games and you get the points, then you know. I mean, that's why I think Wolves, people come away from Wolves with the positivity. Of course, yeah. Even though we'd thrown, even though we were winning with 10 minutes to go, people looked at it and went, you know what, we were down to 10 men after whatever it was, 35 minutes or whatever, 40 minutes, those lads have put a shift in there, and okay, it ultimately hasn't ended the way we wanted to end, but we did well. Where it's sad to say, I still think there's that feeling, but it's just that, but what if we could have got those points? What would that have meant to this team and to those fans that were there? I remember we went to Bournemouth when we went down to 10 men, but we won the game 2-0 or whatever. I think that just, that accelerates the process, I think a little bit faster. Yeah. But ultimately it wasn't to be. It wasn't, and I think that's a really good point you make there. I mean, when that second goal went in from Keen, it was just mad. Again, I'm covered in bruises, but just hugging random people. Everyone's kissing and hugging each other, bloke getting escorted out the stadium. It's mad. You're so close to the players, and you can just see and hear them screaming, and then the fans were sublime for the rest of it. It was so great, and I was just there thinking, like you said, I'm just absolutely loving this. There's no better feeling in the world. And in my head, I'm thinking, wow. In my head, we're already on seven points after three games. It's been a fantastic win. And then of course, when they get the penalty, there's still that mentality of, I'll be honest with you, when the ref blew for the penalty, I thought we're not going to win this game. And I think that that's still the mentality that's in some of the players. Like, you know, for as much as they've been, they're great. Coleman, who was poor on Saturday, and Layton Baines, who gave away the penalty. I feel like it's that fear that's installed in them, that we're not going to see it through. It is in the fans as well. Well, I think, funny enough, I think, I mean, last week, I think that, you know, being tuned up in it and them getting the goal, I think there was the fear there amongst the fans. I think it goes back, I remember last season, actually, when we played less than we were tuned up and we were cruising, and we gave away a stupid penalty. And then we hung on. I remember thinking that was a big sort of turning point in the season for us. You know, we hadn't won that many games in the new year. You know, that came at the end of the month. And that was a big turning point for us. That was one of those games we hung on here. We'll take that into the next game. And I think, largely, we did then. It's just disappointing, because you don't want history to almost feel like it's repeating itself. It was almost, you know, the ghosts of Martinis, the 3-3 down there and what happened there. And also, with the manager himself from last season, with Wofford, the amount of times they were in the lead, we've seen ourselves being tuned up against them. And that's that fear, I think, those creep into some people's minds who all along have said that, we're just like Martinis. But I think players, I think the players and the manager have got to take responsibility for this result, the naiveness of it. But let's hope that, now that it's happened, that we can work through it and go, let's make sure that doesn't happen again. Yeah, definitely. And I think, you know, like you said, it's on the manager and it's on the players as well. I think it was pretty obvious from the start, the second half, though we started very well. So when Warmer started to come into it more, all their joy was coming down that left-hand side and it looked like, just get Dinyay on, get him on. He's got the mobility, he's got the pace, because they were just skipping past Banes. And I think in the end, his kind of tiredness and everything showed, and it's a bit lazy how he gives away the penalty. You know, maybe a couple of substitutions, different substitutions. With Charleston, I think, listen, he is what he is. We've seen him in the first game against Wolves, getting involved. You know, I think he kicked out at a lag when he'd been kicked a few times. And I think that was an early sign of that. The lads got a petrol inside to him. I honestly don't think that's a problem, especially with the relationship between the manager and the player. I think that can be dealt with. And I think that brings out the other side of him as well. But on Saturday it went too far, and the lads got in his ear, and I think, you know, he reacts. And there's nothing in it, really. He moves his head towards him. He doesn't touch him. I don't think. And it's just that motion. But he's been suckered into it. And listen, the rules are pathetic. The rules are pathetic. But unfortunately, like we say all the time, they are the rules. The rule is pathetic because the things you see, I watched the Newcastle game yesterday, and I'm watching the Newcastle players kick seven bells of shite out of those Chelsea players, normally to the way around. Newcastle players were kicking them left, right and centre. And they were with those. It was worse than the Jags tackle and with what the Charleston done. And yet not one of them got sent off. I've seen Sahars yesterday as well against Watford. It was worse. But it is what it is. And he gets sent off. It's stupid. It's petulant. But it's the way it is now. Yeah. Really, really, really annoyed with him, to be honest. But it's one of those things. I think we all do things in the heat at the moment. And that's just what he's done. But you've got to keep your head in those situations. We would just start into, you know, kind of keep the ball a little bit better build on, you know, some possession and stuff like that. We had to throw in a decent position. Or so we thought, well, it was our throw. And they're ready to take that. And all of a sudden, their fans burst open. It's no hesitation. The red card's up. And I didn't see it happen at the time. It was at halftime getting on Twitter and seeing the videos that were going around. You think, you know what? It's a pathetic red card, unlike you. I think the rules are a joke. However, he's given him the decision to make. Yeah, he has. As soon as you do that, you flick your neck like that in the motion to headbutt someone. Then, you know. And we go up to nil. And at that point, we really are cruising. No, it's 10 minutes. We score the goal. We tune it up. And you just think adjust. Change the team. A good team will see this out. Yeah. Sorry. I'm going to say a team with a good mentality. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. I mean, as soon as that second one, after all the celebrations were starting to die down and stuff, you could see Guilty saying to the players, calm it, calm it down. And I remember thinking, you know, I hope they do, but it shouldn't have to be telling them to do that. They should know already how to see out again. Yeah. You know, and that's the really frustrating thing. You think there's enough experienced heads in there to be able to go, right? Let's slow this down now. Let's play the ball. Let's keep possession. Let's just see this last 25 minutes off. We've got a two-goal cushion here. Sound, happy days. We're all going to be traveling home. Yeah. Three points happy. And that didn't happen, unfortunately. I think, you know, maybe Marco Silva should have changed it a little bit as well. Well, I think he should have. Yeah. I'll be honest. I think he should have. Marco Silva's been a breath of fresh air since he's come in at the club. I really think he has, and the players love them to bits by the sounds of it. But I, for me, think that the manager needs to change it in this situation. And this is something last season, when he was Wofford manager that, I think, in the early part of the season. I don't know him a few times. And he went up at Chelsea. They were obviously up at Goodison. He was games that he should have sought out. Now, maybe he didn't have the personnel, and maybe at the moment he doesn't quite have the personnel. But I would also say the players on the pitch should be thinking about how to get through these games. Of course, at 2-0, you want to make it 3-0. But you've also got to play the game where it lies. And for those first five to 10 minutes after conceding, after making it 2-0, you've got to take this thing out of the game. You've got to quiet down the opposition. You've got to go quiet down the team. We've seen this at Wolves. When a team goes behind, especially in the 2-0 behind or whatever, if there's time left, the opposition will say, right, well, let's make the changes. There's nothing to lose here. So we'll make the changes. We've got to turn the momentum, are we? And that's what Bournemouth did. They turned the momentum near way. And we've got to counter that by saying, right, well, we've got to stifle this out. That means keeping the ball. And if you can get through that first 10 minutes, and I know by playing in games as well, a basal say the same as that, if you... The longer it goes on, the more mentally you think, we're not going to break these down. You're hoping it... We've seen this ever with fans. You think that if we... You know, you throw everything at them. And if they get through it, you're like, oh, there's not a way we can do it. And obviously, time's on your side, obviously. Well, this is it. I think you get to 80 minutes and you sound. Five more minutes. And I think that's it. Like you said, mentally, they're like, we've got 10 minutes here, lads. We're not going to do it. But getting that penalty at that time, scoring it, and then it was their fans. And like we said before, the mentality, you could... It felt almost not speaking for everyone, but certainly for me, I did feel like it's going to be too early. We're not going to win. And I shouldn't feel like that. You said that before about when they had that breakaway. That breakaway should have been the one. Why have we got... We're turning it up. Why have we got... It wasn't even a two versus one. There was someone standing near him. He was unmarked. He basically broke out of his own arm because he had the pace. Why are our fullbacks so far ahead at that point? James had had an absolute stinker. He was rubbish first half. He couldn't beat the lad. He couldn't drop a bag of sand in that first half. He couldn't find a pass. I don't think he completed one pass. No, he's terrible. Bains had been... I don't know where... He'd been offered a little bit. He was unsettled, I think, probably once with Charleston had gone off. But you're thinking, why are you allowing their lads with pace to have so much pace? Why aren't we going... Well, you know what? We're turning it up. Let's just bring one player back. Let's get... Let's get Garnet sitting in front. He's fast. He's a bit of a whipping. Let's get him just sitting in front of those players. Or just get the fullbacks. Just get James and say, James, just come back here, lad. Just come back here and deal with this. Deal with him. He's fast. You deal with him. No. We let him get one on one. I'll get Garnet back. Give him a little push and he doesn't score. A better striker there will just finish a break. Yeah, it should be two on one. That's an agraro. He's finishing it. That should have been the one at time. It's a ball. I know, they make saying it was a brilliant ball. It was a good ball into space, but that had to be able to run. Yeah. Then it happens again. This time, with Deeper on the edge of our area, lad plays a long ball over. It's a nothing ball, a nothing ball. Really, I think one of the centre backs should just be dealing with that. The lad's got between Bains and the other defender. Is it keen? I think it's keen. But anyway, whoever it is, it's fine. Bains can see the ball. He should be telling the centre back. Really. But he doesn't. He just wanders over and pushes him in the back. What are you doing? If you're going to come over, come over and get goalside, don't go to the back, because once he feels contact, he's going to go down to be fair. The lad didn't even know Bains was there, so you are going to go down. Yeah. He didn't give it the all, looking around the corner. Bains should just be starting over and saying to the centre back, he's behind you, getting goalside. The lad brings it down on his knee, and somehow smashes it in. Fair play. He's the lad. Fair play. It's not going to happen, is it? But it's not going to happen. But you've just wandered over and pushed him in the back, when there's nothing. Who's to say the centre back doesn't just get rid of it, but he hasn't got a chance, because he's already on his ass. That is a big, small defender. It is. And there's nothing the manager can do about that. That's got nothing to do with the manager. It's got nothing to do with zonal marking or anything. That's just absolute stupidity. It is. It is. And that's what's so infuriating about it. It doesn't feel like, as we say on the surface of things, a draw away at Bournemouth, not a bad result at all. We've started pretty well, but we've given them, we've given them, we've gone, do you want a chance to get back in the game? Come on then. That's it. And once they had their foot in, it was going to happen. And whether that is still in my mentality, I think it's still in some of the player's mentalities, they got that corner and it was like, and the frustrating thing as well is Banes almost keeps it from being a corner, kicks out for a throw, but it's gone over the line. And it was nail on that it was going in. You just kind of, you just knew that they were going to score from it. And so he said, our heads had dropped then, their fans were up for it. They're the comeback kings anyway. You know, they know how to do it, but we shouldn't, they shouldn't have, it's all on us. It comes from the, I mean, it all comes from me from the penalty. It comes from the fact that, as well, is that you've got to get through that spell. You've got to get through, they make changes. We've got to react to that. We've got to, the manager's got to react. He's got to change something. I know he brought, he brought Bernard down on the, on the right, which I thought was a, I thought it was a bit of a stain. So, played, played. I don't know. Maybe I would have, I'd tune it up. Maybe I would have brought Dominic Avalon on stage right up front. Because, he's got freshness then. Hang on. Yeah. I'm not having to go with any chink or anything. I'm just saying it's a freshness and saying, when we get the ball, actually what we're going to do is, we're going to draw, when we, sorry, we're going to draw for the start, five, ten yards further back. And we're just going to start eating corners. We've done, you'll run all day for you. You've got to walk up with legs as well out there. Change it that way. K2 mate, right, is there, could he have come on and sat in front of the back forward? He's done it for Chelsea. Yeah. All right. Maybe that's not something the manager knows too much about. But we haven't got too many options on the bench there. I just thought at that point, that's where you miss a snack. That's where you miss someone in the, in front of you back forward. You'll just take the ball all day and setting everyone down. And we feel just too erratic in games like this. I mean, the second, honest to God. It's a corner. Again, same as last week, the lad runs near post, gets the flick on, and, okay, it hits the post. It's a good edit. On a different day, it's the side of the post and goes out. And we've seen, seen the danger. But again, no one reacts. The ball comes off the post and they've got two ready for the time. I was going to say, there was two, if he hadn't had it. And we've got, Tom Davey's going, hoo, to hold it, hoo. No one's, we all are players around the six-yard box. Yeah. All their players are coming into the six-yard box. There's a possibility that the ball could rebound. Yeah. No, it's like, come on, these are basics. These are basics. Be alert. Like you said, they're just like, oh, bloody hell. But these are the things, aren't they? People don't like zoning, Markham. No, I don't. And I've seen it. But, well, it is what it is, isn't it? It is what it is. But it doesn't matter if that's man to man or that's zoning. Basic. If you're not reacting to the ball, they're going to do that all. At quite a high level. And he said, zoning's better than man to man, Markham. Mm-hmm. But it's not, it doesn't work, as players don't work. Yeah. And it will take time, of course, but players have got to react. It felt lazy, didn't it? It just, it felt... I just feel like, player, are we playing zoning but we don't have anyone in the six-yard box? Right. What's the point of that? Yeah. Both, we've conceded two goals and two games where lads are hard to happen from set plays as well. Like you said, it was obviously a different finish to Ings, but it was just easy. A little click on and a kick. Yeah, that's it. Except it come off the post. Yeah. And you just think these shouldn't be happening. Surely you should have someone in the six-yard box reacting to that? Hoofing it away. That's it. And it was just like, like you said, there was another fella ready to tap it in if I wasn't there as well. If Michael Keynes in the six-yard box there, he's winning that flick for me. Mm-hmm. It should be. It's bathroom, but if you don't like it, you don't like it. I'm fair enough. But for me, that's just got more to do with players not doing the jobs and not being away. Now, maybe that's the, you could maybe play the part of those going down to 10 men, but I don't think that should come into it that state. I think people should do the jobs and they do the jobs right. But that comes from, for me, that comes from, as I said, that comes from I was not set when they're getting down to 2-0. It comes down to being under pressure because we give a stupid penalty away. Mm-hmm. It's all those things. Mm-hmm. It's for our fullback still bombing on when we're 2-0 up. It's these things. There's no need. There's no need for, and I know people say, yeah, but if you sit back, you are, you are inviting the pressure, but I would, just play. You're inviting the pressure anyway. Yeah, exactly. They've only got one thing to do. They're 2-0 up. They're going to have a go at you. You're sitting there going, I'll tell you what, have a go at us. Mm-hmm. But it'll be easier because we've got no fullbacks. For 5-10 minutes, just settle everyone down. Yeah. That's where the senior heads come in. That's where your comments come in. That's where your veins come in. For me, this is down to the players. This is down to your senior players. This is down to your comments. This is down to your veins. Banes clearly by giving the penalty. But this is down to people like Coleman to just say, do you know what? For 5-10 minutes, I'm just going to sit and I'm going to slow it down. Slow it down. And I'm going to say to those players in front of me, you do your job. I'll do my job for 10 minutes. And let's all change a little bit. Mm-hmm. Let's go longer. Let's start hitting players in the corner of the corners. Let's give the ball to players. You can do things with it like Siginson. So that comes from your senior players. So where you're saying Siginson shouldn't have to do that. Well, unfortunately, he probably thinks that he should have to do that because if the players who are the most senior players at everything, Coleman and Banes, aren't reacting, then maybe he's got to say that. So I'm not giving any blame to Silver. Silver will look at the situation and think, I've got the players on there who can settle this game down. He didn't. Yeah. And that's on them. Yeah. So that's up to those players. You know, there's people saying, oh, that's Banes. He's finished. I've been quite happy with Banes so far this season up till that missed it. Because I want to see that change over happen naturally. Not just throw him in. Exactly. Because I don't want to get caught up in the same mistakes that we made last season where we just went, oh, we've got a load of new players. Go ahead, lads. Yeah. Go on. I want that change to be natural. Now, I'm sure Dean will get a chance against Rotherham. And maybe the manager will go, you've took your chance. You're staying in. You're staying in and listening to the knock last week as well. So you missed last week. So let that happen naturally. And listen, let's not just go throw everyone in because we've got, listen, we've got, we've got suspensions and injuries and we're three games into the season. So let's just let, let that calm down. Let that happen naturally. But I think Banes is in there for his experience and obviously he's a still, still a good player. But if he ain't showing that experience on the pitch, then that change will be made. Yeah. And it has to be as well and ultimately we need to be winning games. I think it's a real shame because Banes had played particularly well against Wolves away and stuff. But maybe that is his age showing that it's the third game in we have 10 men again for another whole half of football. He was a bit tired, but I think Dean, yeah, in that game, as soon as Charleston had gone off and there was no protection for him, it was just, it was just dead easy. And like you said, he's got to be able to not do rash things. Like you've got to think in the box here with two and a lot cruising. Don't push up. Don't push there forward in the back. Just don't do that for a start. Exactly. And those are the things where, you know, Silver, I'm sure will have a word and say, what are you doing there, lad? Well, not quite like that. You might do that. I don't know. But you know, you've got to look to them players to be the ones to be more composed. And as I said before, I think sometimes our youngsters, such as Calvert, Lewin and various others, show more of that kind of calming influence and that's what was missing. And that's what cost us the game. Should have been home and dry. It felt like we were all thinking, I've got a seven hour drive home here, but it's going to be sound. What makes it worse is, after they got the equaliser, they almost settled for that. You had a couple of opportunities, but I don't think they they suddenly thought, well, we've got something to protect ourselves. And if we get a winner, it will come from, it won't come from being gung ho. And we've had another chance. I mean, we had the cross that led to Towsham being brought down. And at the time, again, this is something with VAR. That's given. Yeah, of course it is. Yeah, it's a penalty. That's given because the ref looks at it and probably thinks it's, you know, six or one half or doesn't know that. But if he gets it, if someone else looks at that, they see him getting brought down in the box. Yeah, he's got his arm as he just drags into the floor to play a penalty. It's a penalty, but it's one of those that in the game, refs don't tend to give all the time. And then, Sigurdsson's got a great chance, really. Right at the end. Right at the end, where he shapes himself a little bit of space. And he's looked, I can see what he's looking to do. He's looking to bend the top corner whereas I'm thinking, just hit the target. Like, is it good enough to just hit the target? Yeah. I think Sigurdsson does that too much where he's almost... Don't get me wrong, he played really well. Yeah. But I think there's time for Sigurdsson in his shooting where he is looking for that. I'll bend this top corner whereas I'm thinking, just hit the target. And hit it hard. That's what woke up a bit the first one. He just hit the target, goes through the keeper and, you know, because most, you know, keeper's probably, I think keeper's more often now are looking for someone to just try and bend the top corner whereas they're not always looking for someone to smash it. I think if he just smashed that. It's 3-2. Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing, and I think he knows that as well, because when that was just before the final whistle, and when it did go, he came over to the fans and he was like, ah, like sorry kind of thing. And, you know, maybe it was just the occasion got to him and he thought... That's the last minute as well. He's worked hard. Let's not forget that. He had a great game to be said to him. He's worked hard in the game and in that last minute of game you need all your composure in your legs and in your head. And let's be honest, you know, it's not that easy, but I mean obviously as well, we had the unfortunate incidence of Michael Keane. Yeah. I mean, I feel doubly sorry for him because I think he's grabbed his chance in this team. Obviously he's scored in the game as well. I think he's looked a lot better. He's not, listen, I still don't think he's anywhere near the finished article. But what I do see is actually a player that with someone alongside him who can maybe compensate for his lack of pace might really help him out. But then, you know, he wins a ball like that comes across brave, strong. The annoying thing is it's his own player. Yeah. It's Ghana, that's Donny. It's two players not, it's two players, in a positive way, what I would say, it's two players fighting for a ball. Yeah, of course. Just shout each other. I know, but again, it's, you know, it's the 90, what was it, it was the 90 third minute. Yeah, it was just before the injury time. It was around the injury. No, it was within the injury time because obviously, I think they just flashed up six minutes and then it was five minutes. It was five minutes and I think the restart was 96 because it finished at 102. Yeah. So, yeah, or whatever it was, but it was in the injury time. So, but obviously, he's going to be out for a month for now. Hale and fracture. Well, he's, it might actually be, well, it probably will be longer than a month. It might be two months because he said he can't train for a month. Yeah. I'm sure he'll keep himself ticking over. Although, do train with him. That is none, you know, but he can't rejoin in the first team training. So, it might be, I don't know, it might be four to six weeks because he can't train for four and then it will be a case of how sharp is he? Yeah. And also, we'll have to wait and see other people have taken the chance, but it's really disappointing that at that stage. It is, and the other thing I worry for him is that we've spoken about his mentality and we've seen like in the past with the likes of Peter Check. Yeah. You know, when he had that you know, how that affected his mentality and he wasn't the same player in terms of going for things because in your head it'd be impossible not to think oh, hang on, last time I got a bloody hairline fracture in my skull and it hit flawed me for two months or whatever. So, I worry about that and I am disappointed for him because I've said time and time again I'm not his biggest fan and it's because he frightens me as a defender to be honest and you know, wanted him to do well and credit to the lad because he has, he has been working hard and I think as fans or you can ask of the players is that given the chance they're going to work their ass off and they're going to try as hard as they can and he's done that. And they respond positively to a challenge which he has done in, you know, so far this season. Well, the fans were chanting Keanu Keanu I never thought I'd see the day I never thought I'd see the day and he really deserved it and I think he's going to be mortified not only because you know he thought he'd score the win which is what he said in his statement but you know now you've got to look at him we've got Zuma we've got Yerry Meena even Jags but I don't think he'd get him in ahead of him. Anyway, it's two-point stop it's disappointing but no, it's just disappointing there's no buts it's just really disappointing. It is. The positives are we look like a really really good team going forward. I think from what I've seen of us there's really promising signs there but we've got to work on defensive issues but we look like a team this season so far anyway we look like a cog-ease of team back in win games of football so from that point of view there's no real there's no real worries as such it's just that defensive side it's got to it's got to come up now that might be a change of person I might sort that out Zuma might go in there and be like I will make sure no one I'll deal with that but you don't know because we haven't seen too much of him so we'll wait and see anyway um there you have it this has been the final word make sure to leave your thoughts in the comments as always you always do big thanks to say it's actually not that cold that she has to wear a woolly hat but it's getting it it's getting it it's getting it I've got it out early this year I usually leave it until about October November but it is it's back it's changed so quick let us know your thoughts thanks for watching if you haven't already subscribed please do it all for a late and if you want more amazing videos and I stress amazing videos join us on page and join Sarah on the blue room with all the lads with Dave Dave's good lad Dave he'll love that plug we'll see you later