 Yeah all right um we're recording okay thank you Joe um so Manil there's your data point that we had trouble going to YouTube so uh cool um so Joe as you joined we are just brainstorming like requirements and uh for in the case scenario where we are online what are requirements that we would need for the platform um and we are also kind of brainstorming other factors variables to keep in mind such as like guide for presenters problems presenters might face um I loved Christian's idea too about the games room stuff like that um so I'm gonna finish writing microphone um other featured requests or means um oh maybe not a featured request or it would be nice if the tool would have a way where people can collectively make notes and allow us to streamline or upstream them to get up or I don't know at least like a google doc that is like central to the next year conferencing so that this there's no problem with Joe that no one has to copy paste things out and um there's a we streamline this process of uh keeping the notes and all the artifacts that have been discussed in the meetings that's a great idea artifacts hi everyone well hi Mateo I made it like I was like one hour late to my to my original expectations but whatever um it's good to see you it's just I'm late I'm late beyond any possible means but my previous meeting ran over by an hour so you are you are forgiven you are here that is what matters um Mateo we are just um having a brainstorm discussion about what required um features we might uh need for the scenario where we are doing this and via a online platform um so folks are coming up with uh different ideas like a um streamlining notes feature or um obviously good queuing features for take so folks can take turns and ask questions that kind of stuff um we're also talking about just general um guides or wish lists type items for presenters um things in attendees um Christian had an idea to do a game room somehow that's a great one so that's where we're at um and then Roy I like this idea do you want to um expand on it about co-chairing yeah it's just that we try we give it a try at the tooling working group with the HackMD and then already I improved so much more than the experience but it's just marked down right uh but in the context of the collapse summit would be nice to have a proper co-chairing platform like going beyond this mark down like really having more code capabilities into this and that's a good one I think that there are paid versions of HackMD that um hi kiddo hi cutie um that you can get to um uh to also to to work with other languages so we should check that out um uh and uh it's a little also disturbed simultaneously by Joe's sorry all right um okay uh uh right any other ideas or thoughts or or wish list items for for the platform I think what I will need to know is how many simultaneous sessions uh we would want to have and again for one day or two days those are important components I think that's a great um next topic is like like what would we want to adjust in terms of the format um so how many simultaneous sessions um um format what I have actually not gotten just a ton of that was an action item I had um from from the last call was to send that note out to to projects and ask for um ask for input I had uh four or five people reply um mostly to say that they would not be able to make an in-person um uh collab summit this year and to say that if one were available in a remote at first uh context that they would attend and participate in that so that's sort of just read and that was like I said um sent that out to the projects list got five responses back um that's better than none but it kind of reinforces our feeling that in the worst case scenario people will want to do something together online um so a lot of folks also mentioned the time zones as being a thing that they were concerned about because you know they a couple folks were like in Poland for example um wanting to participate um synchronously with everyone else might present um challenges so we would probably we probably do need to really kick the tires on the format and timing now so we can set those expectations um does anybody want to throw like a straw person thoughts out or preferences to let's list the folks we do know who we think want a track in addition to an open j s collab summit so I think I've heard electron perhaps wants a track uh does node need a separate track in addition to open j s who else did you hear back from joy I think the question the key question before that for that times I don't think that is like from my point of view that is the time zone sort of biggest problem before trucks yeah because it's um um yeah you know scheduling session is going to be way harder and uh even though we might want a track we might actually just say that we don't want one because if like this is going about yeah it's uh you know node j s is really spread over all over the globe so it's uh it's some feasible to ask people for example in china to do certain type of hours and so there is like it's going to be harder to some extent so we might need to maybe rethink the the format to to some extent so and maybe plan it more un-conference way or more less than these will happen these two days and more these will happen this this week or something like that compared to compared to everything I'm just flagging it because I just yeah that's that's good maybe we have more small chunks of time like break it out over a few days so if we have if we have all the sessions if we know all the sessions in advance we can ask people to say which sessions they are interested in and which they want to participate and I think Joey you mentioned the tool that we had at the W3C TPAC meetings where you just put all these factors together and it will create a schedule that works for all the attendees that are interested in those meetings and based on that we can find the ideal schedule and you know when one session can be at 3 a.m. in europe if no one in europe is interested in that session it would be fine to have it at 3 a.m. and yeah that I love to reach out to Dominique about modifying that W3C scheduler tool because that would be pretty dope that was pretty actually miraculous how well that worked but to Matteo's point and Robin's earlier question the feedback I'm getting is that it depends is that big it depends because the format and the time zones and sort of like the time requirement is like a variable for projects thinking about putting content together so it feels a bit like we have this cap 22 or chicken and egg sort of problem where it's like well we we want to know who wants to participate so that we can find the time zones and the format that works for them but the those folks want to know like the time zones and the format plan so they can figure out how they want to participate and so you know it's a bit of it's like that sort of neat tug you know tug and pull whatever you know kind of thing so but to Robin's question and electron amp node there are certainly a lot of our at-large projects who had indicated their interest in doing sessions during open JS collab summit but not feeling that they had enough content to run a whole track so that's that's that and I will tell you it's apples and oranges a little bit but the big technology platform that we would use assuming our event goes virtual does have actually a global translation tool to it so that would be pretty cool but again those are sessions that you could watch later so it's not always going to apply for a collab summit and I think maybe that's one of the challenges of this event uniquely compared to a conference where you know if you're if you're not there to watch it live and ask a question you you were probably just watching the session in the first place and so it's okay but in the collab summit where we expect peers to participate and drive the content you know the folks in the room are the programming it's harder to do those things you know I'm happy to take the action item to to follow up with Dom because I'm Dominique is at the W3C about this tool and see if if we can modify it for our uses I think just to give you all a just picture of what this was so the W3C has an on conference day as part of TPAC and what they do is they request folks to submit sessions and they have a set number of rooms that they can hold sessions and a set and a constraint on time and what they did was like have people add those sessions and then people submitted added their names to the sessions that they wanted to attend and then based on that the tool selected the timing the the most optimal timing obviously that had some constraints going for it one way being that it was all in the same time zone and and you know there there was the number of rooms but here we don't have a number of rooms requirement because there could be an infinite number of rooms I suppose I guess none of the tools have a room limit do they Robin that you're running into I'm not quite sure I'll that I'll find out and do we have any feedback from the 24 hour work from W work from home conference on how the viewership was I can I have all the data if you want but you need to Robin I can possibly even let me see if I can present it if you were interested I have a report let me just Oh Mateo are you comfortable with this being on on our YouTube channel before you probably not okay uh so uh because we're we're gonna record this um maybe we can stop recording for now Joe and then resume when Mateo back cool so um you just raised a good good point feature requirement accessibility concerns are and internationalization concerns are certainly super important and probably some things we could do to have guides for presenters as well there um okay so um back to the to the format question um what you know let's let's assume for a minute that everybody is more or less stretched across you know five or six consecutive time zones which is more manageable um would we rather have an event that um kind of kept everybody together solidly um for a couple of days or would we rather uh figure out how to break that up um so we're we're not not necessarily putting people in their their chairs in front of the collapse club summit content for say four hours a day um what do you all imagine being like the the max we can and uh we can ask of people to endure there that's a really good question I think both on like comfort and you know just on people's availability with with work and stuff too yeah what why wouldn't we need to put it into two days why couldn't we just think about a bigger scare like having the collapse summit stretch out on a week to fit all the time zones we crest properly given that we don't have to travel to a certain location and we don't have um yeah that limitation so it can be like collapse summit starts on the 26th and the party doesn't stop until we say it stops yeah just like uh I you know what I kind of I kind of like that it's just a fun way to frame it you know yeah like I mean I guess it cannot stay forever collapse summit but you know you need to frame it to at least a certain time but I don't think we are forced to have it within two days like packed into two days I think something like a week could be also possible too every day is collapse summit day yeah that's my christmas um that's a good I like that idea like instead of it being you know another thing that I kind of like about that is that um it kind of reinforces this idea that collab the the values in the spirit of collapse summit or something we should be continuing beyond like a and that's I love collapse summit so it's it's like oh okay it's collapse and it's over but it lives on you know like like I don't know I like that idea um it also does to your point christian just give us a lot more flexibility for people who want to participate in multiple sessions across multiple time zones we just get more room to work with yeah it could be even focused on specific areas um on specific days let's say uh monday is foundation oriented uh topics then tuesday is no js oriented topics and depending on what kind of session we press for proposals we get we can like have a day focus on specific areas so that the context switching isn't that crucial and problematic so one um slight challenge is that the 26th is um thursday so um you know I don't know if we would want to say that that's a week consecutive inclusive of the weekends or you know if that would be something that we would stop and resume on monday you know um or if we were to say along with the and along with a possible announcement of moving online that we start summit on monday of the following week um thoughts on that the conference is tuesday wednesday so and how do you handle monday thursday friday yeah oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah so so we instead of starting summit after the conference it could start the monday before the conference and run and that week is that what you're saying raman no it's just a question and a statement more than anything right yeah um yeah it could be an option definitely have monday as a day where people where we try to schedule sessions specifically for people that are new to those foundation um events and we want to invite them and you know this is like a pre conference um event that you might like to attend online um and then you know they get like a feel of how that feels like and then if they if they want to continue participating they can stay being continuing online on thursday and friday and eventually next week that's an interesting so so like the monday day before open j s world is like the new contributor track type content yeah um and then it kind of that's a really good idea it kind of makes it a week of open j s exactly i like it quite a lot to be honest so it's uh it's actually a very good idea because it allows us to provide some more content talk about our projects so ideally we shouldn't be inviting all projects to do take even a 20 minutes talk something like that of what it feels like to contribute to that project what the project is about and and so on so for me yeah absolutely like this seems a fantastic um i like that you like it mateo that makes me happy i had to go and turn on the light because you can she couldn't see me anymore so you see that the sun is going down yes okay um so new like new contributor um track content going in on monday before open j s world a call to the projects all the projects to um put something together for that day so now i'm thinking um that's this this is awesome um it kind of so then the question would be if then on tuesday wednesday and i think the answer is no it's my like personal sense but it's a question for everybody do we continue to run collab summit content on tuesday wednesday um which are the days of the open j s world or do we stop like collab summit track activities during open j s world joseph i would say stop um and have you know focus on the event i just want to add to real quickly that i think the the new contributor idea for monday is great and i think also if they're looking at the schedule of open j s world um if there were any sessions any like speaker sessions where a sort of new contributor or some sort of intro to a discussion could happen on the monday might be good as well like say if james is talking about quick or something then maybe you know they're sort of like an intro to quick collab summit session um on the monday as well but i don't mean to derail the question of whether the collab summit happens during the conference i would say no that's that's my um my opinion as well i wouldn't want to um like take any viewership away from the online event um for for open j s world i think it benefits us to have a strong open j s world experience so that's my two steps yeah i would also say that the tools that we're looking at for a virtual event have a lot of interactive engagement opportunities so i would love to have all of our top contributors maintainers and you know present during open j s world to participate in those online discussions and not sidetracked so to speak yeah um okay so that is that's a super idea so it's yeah it sounds like in terms of um and i'm gonna start kind of winding us to some yeah thanks to uh to some conclusions for um to make progress on it sounds like we are preferring an online experience that would include starting on monday prior to open j s world with new contributors and we would prefer a solution that allowed us to balance interest from registrants with time zone availability of the speakers slash presenters um and that is an ai to me to go talk to dom about how they did that for w3c um from a tooling standpoint um we all have ongoing action items to encourage our working groups and our communities to submit um proposals for collab summit um i realized that everybody's in the same boat here where they're like well we don't really know what's going on so we haven't submitted a proposal but also it's hard to plan this without the proposals so um we need to to to do what we can to encourage um our groups to to submit those and particularly if we're very keen on the new contributor track idea to do that for um that population um which i think is a really solid move um and obviously robin has the um the very important and unenviable ai to continue wearing the heavy crown figuring out what we're doing here with all of the uncertainty in the world thank you robin um what you know what sorry just to jump in what i would suggest is why don't why don't we put together a a draft um you know a time frame agenda to give us something to react to because that can help us also evaluate the technology tool that we select and then maybe you all can react to that this week would that work because maybe we have some early something in the early morning something in the evening but that at least gives us if we start framing it out and then it also shows us where we might have gaps and where projects can say oh wait wait wait no i did want a track now that i see that draft out there draft empty agenda framework um yeah i think that's a good uh a good idea um just something that helps us sort of visualize how this could come together over yeah great um in our last couple of minutes i just wanted to ask for a couple of things one is there's um open pr with some meeting notes if you don't mind popping over plus one or add any changes when you get a minute and the second is that just a question um which i will just continually ask is there anything we need to add uh or update on the read me and thank you to christian for updating the read me last week with the cove it into okay i see any other business today okay last thing is that you are all killing it you're doing a great job i'm very proud of you hang in there you've got this i love you um and have a wonderful rest of your day thank you jerry thank you jerry bye bye bye bye y'all