 Course it still works Well, how long have I had it like four years? No, I think that's why bed bath and beyond is in trouble. They're not out of business, right? There's a lot of redundancies in there No, I would go from best buy into that into bed bath and beyond and see things for maybe five dollars more And I would think I should just bought this from Best Buy Best Buy is not too cool Yes Everybody's phones on stun I just think everyone I think they can't compete with eBay or Amazon. I just yeah, I don't think they can It's tricky what did they just say I was listening to NPR Oh, the fact that a lot of people aren't going back into the offices and That companies are saving on the overhead for the renting of the space of the building It's hurting all the businesses around because no one's going out to lunch or getting to dry cleaning I didn't even think of that. I thought oh They said journalism is suffering from it because you have a lot of these late 20-something new journalists who usually learn from the 60 plus journalists who have been on the job for a while And they learned and they just aren't there. So a lot of these Like segments are coming out. They suck because they don't know they don't have brass tacks They don't hit the street or they don't talk. They don't know how to work a source. They're just Wow, yeah, that's true. Yeah We're seeing a bounce back I know everybody did the whole quiet quitting and now we're seeing companies just there's a scientist I Know Google just laid off what 10,000 workers and they found out through they didn't even get an email They just couldn't log in and they have to hit Through there they have to contact their leads but on their personal device like text Hey, hey, can you get in and then the lead would say like I don't think you're working here anymore None of your stuff is I can't even get in That is That is horrible, you can't let us know a week a month three months There's a scientist who was working at some project a big one and he starts working 4 a.m. He went in and he couldn't get in He thought something something was wrong with his key card So I knew too early to call like his supervisors or his you know the CEOs So he waited until his colleague came in who gets in at five and his key card worked So they walked in together and he said I'll just let them know I was here on time You can see me on the cameras. I'm not an hour late and he couldn't log in anything and they wound up finding out He got let go. That's why nothing works And I think the email that he received was at 9 a.m. Saying sorry we have to let you go But he started working for so I thought man That's insane. That's not humane. It's almost like the companies are trying to get back at the world for people quiet quitting and weird Yeah You know what movies I was watching I was like no good zoom in a little bit on that one What is it the last door? I think it's the position to or is the movie with No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. There's a really cheesy when they came out with Owen Wilson Wow him and Vince Vaughn. There you go They're working for Google or something Was it the internship or no, I'm saying even though that just came out all of it is wrong now because it's The tech moves so fast like how they I was watching a little bit of it like maybe two weeks ago I had never seen it. It's one of those movies. You don't need To see it's about nothing. It's just not it's not even really funny But the things they were talking about even in there in the movie and the movie came out I think 2015 2016 is all change. It's the things have changed so much that it's archaic now I can't wait I can't wait to me That's how they messed up in Star Wars Just say Han Solo has an implant that that's how he understands what Chewbacca is saying the moment They said that he can speak with wookie languages. I was like Yeah, I'll wait until I'll wait until when I see the the billion of millionaires doing it. I can't wait. Oh my god I can't wait My biggest fear is I'll be on my deathbed in my 90s and My great-grandson rolls in to say his goodbye on a hoverboard that he bought from Walmart for 30 bucks That's all I want is a hoverboard and I'm dying that'll just I'll check out I'll just give you the wheel. I'll just burn it up. No one's getting anything I would love that Sue is at home because her car is no waving to you. She's waving Guys stop we can see your hand knock it off Yeah, she usually sits there, but we can do this whole remember we've been doing the show remote from two and a half years Well, we used well, there's my booth is back there mmm and One minute to go well, there's there's French doors there used to be the drum isolation both And so I turned that into my vocal booth, but we don't I mean we used to be in there And then we used to have it out here and then George and I just reconfigured how we did the whole thing and it made it a lot easier Yeah, well, we always had room for a guest It used to be that would just be two people out here and George be hiding in there Yeah, that's the top of the hour. Okay, okay five o'clock. Okay, are we ready? Yep, and we need total silence here guys watch his hand on the title, okay five four three two Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop. How's everybody doing out there? Hey, we're in studio. We got a big audience everybody applaud An Actual audience This is about as many people as we can fit in here, but our guest tonight is the one and only Jason linear white say hello, Jason We're gonna talk about all the different things that you do which is quite a quite a spectrum of things in the entertainment and Voiceover on on camera and all sorts of stuff. So if you have a question for Jason put it in the chat room whether you're in Facebook live or YouTube live or However, you're watching this, you know, if you're watching it on TV, I'll be really impressed or if it's beating in from a Chinese Yeah, from a balloon. 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The colors look absolutely magnificent for some reason I you know, it's because all you guys who support us out there and make sure that Technologically this thing is just way above everybody else. Of course, we've been doing a webcast for almost 12 years You know before they people knew what webcasting was sometimes we get it right and it's an occasionally Once in a while it seems to seems to work together Anyway, our guest tonight is our good friend Jason linear white Who is he's a guy that does just about everything. He's an award-winning actor We have to ask what your words you've won of voice over artist You do a lot of motion capture stuff and things like that. Let's welcome him to voice over body shop Jason linear white Actually be here as a guest is awesome. It's fun to have amazing. Yeah So tell us a little bit about yourself and and how you got into this not-so-business and all the different things that you're doing Um, I do love to talk if you've met me in person or a line you You know that is true very much. You're a native Angelino. I am born and raised here rare I'm LA. We're a rarity. I thought it was going to be a lawyer at the age of four because I knew I liked to Yep, so I saw people on TV and Movies and television shows thinking that oh that person talking in front of everybody. That's what I would like to do And then you found out there's other ways to make I don't really care about the legal side I just wanted to talk in front of people so We fast forward to I think I was Nine and some change and I started to get really involved into my high not high school But my elementary schools different projects that they had Plays that we would put on I got really and I love just the thought of this will be cool Everyone will watch us we get to perform we get to tell the story our way I thought it was very really fascinating then about the age I think I was ten or eleven and My mom heard on the radio if your child is outgoing blah blah blah blah bring them to Universal Studios to the Marriott Hotel There's gonna be Beverly Hills Studios is going to have a showcase in Beverly Hills Studios for those of you Don't know there. It's already been gone They were basically like What's the equivalent? Sort of like I guess a trade school for actors you could go there for modeling again. Yeah, okay specialty kind of for a Into the world of the entertainment industry from the actors perspective So they taught acting theater and modeling But all your instructors were people you saw on TV and movies every day So you'd see the guy on Melrose Place in the latest episode and then tomorrow the next day He was teaching you he was teaching you how to book on-camera jobs And then everybody that was blowing up in commercials at the time in the 90s Those were your instructors so they would teach you how to book Doritos and Pepsi and all this stuff So it was great went through that did Did well got an agent manager out of that and started my career in the on-camera world and For young men at that time and this still happens around age 17 to 22 We kind of hit a plateau. There's not too many roles for boys at that age Right usually you can play the youngest son or the oldest son or oldest nephew or whatever There's just not that many roles. So it kind of fills it out with that and then Growing up my brother and I we like everyone else you emulate family members teachers. I used to call I Used to call my friends parents or leave voicemails for them as the teachers Changing my voice so that they could skip classes and get out of school and it would always work I never thought I thought voice acting is where actors went to die because it was so it must be so easy I thought When I first started so I never thought it was I just thought I will do that if I want to if things get really bad In the acting world, then I'll just do voiceover. It's the exact opposite. It is the hardest form of acting ever done stumbled on to it in 2012 started taking classes and fell in love with it My brain loves to learn and I love the fact that there was something I knew nothing about I think I did my very first voiceover audition when voice one two three Sometime in 2012 and it took me an hour to do a 30-second spot I would record and listen back and I was horrendous. I sucked. I probably still suck But did you book it? I didn't I didn't even know why I sucked I just had to listen back and I would do take after take and listen back and I I didn't know where to start I just knew this is not good. What's dangerous if you book on that very first thing? This is easy. Yeah, I think I booked my third audition and it was for a college student I think I made $30 off that and it was a Bruce Lee sound of like something I grew up what I license grew up watching his stuff So I don't know if I do justice, but when I listen back now It's not as bad as I thought it's also not as good as I thought it was George And I just started dabbling and dabbling and listening to every podcast. I started doing what I call pac-maning I was just ingesting media on everything stumbled on to you guys started going to conferences and Just fell in love with VO. I fell in love with the fact that there's so many different. I call them guilds or I Feel like I'm having a career as an actor is your It's like a video game or fantasy World where I feel like I'm a lovable bard Or a rogue and I will stumble into a tavern. This might be the audiobook tavern. It's a very cool Tavern might not be my type of folks So I'll continue my journey until I get to the video game or you know the video game guild or I travel Yes Or the Facebook groups or LinkedIn groups or LinkedIn or workout groups a funny story I recently took my girlfriend on New Year's Eve There's a blockbuster bar in West Hollywood where it looks like a blockbuster on the inside and outside And we went there for New Year's Eve and one of the commercials I was in in the 90s was playing on the TVs And I was at the bar and there's a random guy next to me I don't know another random guy to the right of me I don't know and the bartender and I shouted. Oh my god That's me and all three of them equally could not care less. I was talking to strangers. Look at That's that's the way it is here my girlfriend is talking to a random couple and I Started like elating because I forgot all about that commercial, but on camera was how I started my My journey. Yeah, but you're doing all sorts of stuff though. I mean you're you're done the on camera Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're doing the voiceover work and you're kicking butt with that. You're also doing mo cap I mean, how do you how is it that you do all these things? I mean, did you have a plan to do all of these different genres and So I that's a great question I just recently as in last week found the term and of course already forgotten it I was watching YouTube video, but there's a gene that some humans have when they're born it gets activated Everyone has this gene within their lineage within their DNA, but it's the What is what did the young lady say on the video? It's I'll just call it the hustle gene But it's the the non-failure gene you see something and you think huh it can't be that hard I'll just go ahead and do it and I'll fail forward and what I need to learn I'll learn on my way to doing the thing or I'll find other people who have done it I'll ask them questions, and if they're not into that I'll find books that people who've done it written or Jason to the lemming gene. Mmm. Yes I'll just follow this person blindly and I've always thought what's the worst that could happen, you know The worst thing that could happen is that I fail at something, but I'm We all fail at tying our shoes when you're really young. We all fail at certain parts of math We all fail at fighting everything right nothing ventured nothing gained. Yeah, they'll use the tuition of success So I whatever gene that is I possess that and even to this day. It's not Delusions of grandeur, but it's along the lines is my brain literally thinks well that person's human If they can do it somehow I can do it. Maybe not in the exact same way, but I have to figure out how they did it Oh, their dad is the director. That's how they got in. Well, I don't have anyone in my family It's a part of that industry in that entertainment or in that field, but I wonder if I can get in this way I'm gonna date myself, but if you remember If you remember the very opening scene of look who's talking There's the one egg and the millions of sperm are trying to get into that one egg That's the one camera world. There's one job and we're all you know Using swords and blasters and lightsabers fighting to get that one job and It was explained to me in voiceover There's more work than there are people that are qualified to do it So there's more jobs and there are actors that can actually do the jobs and just that when I learned that it just took all this weight and this anxiety off me and now if there's an opportunity and I feel like I can do it justice Then I'll put my name in the in the hat and I'll wait until I'm called and if it's something that I honestly feel that I can't do well a hundred percent if it's gonna be impeding the project. I'll step back and shoot it over to another colleague, but That's been my bread and butter for life I just kind of just I go well, let's try it or roll my sleeves up and go Let's try our best and see how we can make this a Part of our career a part of our life a new hobby and new skills in some type of way Yeah, if you're just joining us you've missed a lot already our guest is Jason Lanier white and we're having essentially a metaphor festival I talking to now speaking metaphors and so so do I well, that's why we relate so well If you've got a question for Jason about all of these different genres that he works type it in the chat room whether you're in Facebook or you're on YouTube live and Jeff Holman who sits just to the left of me We'll be taking down all these questions and we'll be able to ask those in just a little bit So get in there ask your questions because we want to hear from you. That's what this show is all about so Yeah, you talk about I'm gonna do this How did you physically implement? Each one of these genres and get into them and and find success in all of them. Mmm with on camera Being an 80s kid Well, that's all we did was grow up, you know watching television from the time you wake up to the time You go to sleep. Yeah, and so it's like that in the 60s. Yes. So I always had these emulations that I would just Gravitate or anchor to I would hear the director say something in director language and I would translate it to Oh, this is just like that scene and that show that I love with distance now Or this is just like the episode of Knight Rider when Michael Knight does that and David Hasselhoff acts Okay, I'll do that but my version of it. So I had all these anchors to kind of factor towards with Vio, I was impressed and blown away with how much Information is out there. There's an even more so now. There's podcasters books I mean you name it. There's some redundancies, but everyone I look at his kung fu schools Everyone has something cool to teach you at each school You might learn kicks at this one school or punches or throws at these different schools So and everyone's style may or may not mesh with their own and to me it's fun to learn What this teacher or this coach is saying and going to work out groups and everyone is training at different places And you get to hear everyone's different experiences and take some things and you just steal and take and make it work for you With mocap. I had a gigantic I'm a very humble person but with mocap had a gigantic chip on my shoulder. Hmm. I thought oh, I'm a career martial artist I'm a break dancer. I do this now walk in. I'll kill it. I'll learn what I need to learn. I'll walk out the first hour I felt smaller than Ant-Man. I didn't know anything. I didn't know any of the terminology the Jari I mean you name it. How did you get into there in the first place? I saw randomly on Facebook a bunch of my colleagues were doing a ton of mocap They're taking training in classes. I didn't even know it existed I thought you had to be a special person when like most people when you're small and you watch someone on TV You think I would love to do that, but that person's special. They're not like me They're I'm sure they're their dad was Zeus and their mom is Hera. That's why they're on TV. They're a god, right? I would explain a lot. They have powers. That's why they're doing what they're doing So until I saw that did I know it was accessible? I signed up for the class introductory class with Richard Dorton He's one of my mentors for motion capture. He's been doing mocap for going on 25 years He was the first guy in LA to do mocap and create a career So I've seen him been him killed him saved him you name all through video games So when I met him my fan girl You know, it's like meeting the Beatles at that time No one cheers no one screams to Ringo But upon learning and spending time in that class for the first hour I got humbled and realized I know nothing about this world. It has nothing to do with the movement at all It has to do with character breakdown and why are you moving? Why are you doing this movement? The movement's not important. Why are you doing this movement? Once I learned it from that aspect again, my brain loves to learn I just dove head first into everything I could ingest about motion capture. Yeah, it's it's acting I mean you but you're acting in this void Yes, is that kind of weird yes, it is um with theater You have to project and you have to always face forward because the audience is looking at you You pretend they're not there unless in certain Projects or you know shells where you talk to the audience. I call that Zach Morrison Zach wait What was that? Was that his name Zach Morris from? No, no, no Zach saved by the Bell Zach Morris That Morris is the last name Zach Efron Okay, okay But anyway, Zach and save by the Bell would stop or let's better yet dead pool dead pool always stops and talks to the audience Right, we're on a side and then on camera. You have yeah billions of people around you have to pretend They're not there mocap is a mix of motion captures a mixture of both you have people touching you and Pulling you places you have people throwing things at you walking around you have to pretend They're not there. There's a virtual camera guy who is this close to your face You have to you will have an intimate scene with your partner and you two are supposed to hug and kiss and embrace but They have a head cam on and so do you and you can't get this close and there's five different people telling you You better not bump that head cam. There's a sound guy. There's a video guy. There's a head cam guy There's a Mike guy and everyone is like you better not bump those headcams But you're supposed to embrace and so it's it's very it's um, do you ever see do you ever see what you're doing? Do you ever see what you're doing on a monitor somewhere or is that yes that be totally distracting it? Miss you well to some performers It is because many times you get to see yourself in real time as the character that you're portraying So you're I'm 510, but you can be a giant who's you know 12 9 standing around walking around So powerful now they can render your character You're controlling a giant puppet to me It's helpful to see the scale because it helps you move as that character better instead of seeing it on a 2d paper And then trying to bring it to life. Yeah to get back to your question. You have to have extremely strong Imagination muscles because nothing is there most people fail at the improv game of making a cup of tea The minute they pour the tea the kettle evaporates They always pour the tea and they right before they take a sip the kettle just disappears They always forget to put it down. It's those little things that will stop you from or that is those little things that will keep you Doing take after take after take after take right is remembering those things, you know I put this thing down here crap that I put it on this side or that side You have to remember so it's just repetition mileage like with everything and you're wearing a green suit and ping pong balls yes, you have a lycra suit on and With all the balls on it all the trackers sometimes trackers or markers on your face and sometimes a head cam and markers Everything you can use props weapons, but it's so freeing you get to go back to being Three four years old where your imagination is key and the more vivid you can create that world The more fun you have as a performer and something I feel that doesn't get out there enough about motion capture Is that it's very collaborative the directors they talk about Nolan North on the set of I think it's the dark night With the was that the one with Heath Ledger the Joker one is that the yeah, I think it's the dark night where They would ask Nolan. Hey We've been in this room for a while how long we've been in here and he'll say he's the director And he'll say, you know, I hadn't thought about that. How long do you guys think you've been in here? So they say the scene the the movie was very collaborative like that motion captures like that The director will give you your your lines and how you're supposed to move and and interact with certain things But they're looking for your input as well and they're looking for you to bring that character to life And I love that I love the fact that with on camera many times It is just stand here say this this person walks here and then you guys say this and you leave Do it the way I asked you to do it with mo cap is very collaborative. Yeah, so okay, so you're doing On camera. Mm-hmm. You're doing voiceover You're doing mo cap anything else that we should know about a direct okay cast from time to time different projects Yes, lots of mo cap directing within like the last two two years right when COVID hit I own dropship studios LA we do what large studios do on a smaller scale basically independent video game programmers and developers will think hmm We would love mo cap in our game, but we can't afford with Activision and electronic arts can afford So I guess we just can't do it But they'll find companies like mine or we reach out to them and say well, how much is your budget? Here's a plan that fits that budget it might only just be face cap that you can afford it might just be motion capture It might be performance capture which is face sound likeness your entire body fingers and everything and it's become Extremely affordable extremely affordable now to add motion capture to almost anything that random iPhone Does facial capture so well that you can just pop that right into a movie video games VR experiences you name it if you know how to do it, right? It's nuts. Wow Once again, we are talking with Jason linear white who does everything He probably even paints his own room That's sort of thing with the window closed and then passes out Just right If you've got a question for him again throw it in our chat room right now in Facebook live or in YouTube live You know and of course if you know who's gonna be on you can always write a question to us much earlier on But you didn't have the chance to do that yet if you didn't do it. It's a life hack. I know like that Yeah, so how do you keep all of these different things that you're doing straight? I take it you're a very well-organized person Not even all right so explain how you do that Okay, um what I love is I love this question because it works for life It helps you if you find out if you're a ninja or a pirate Are you a morning person or a night person for me? I'm a morning person I love getting up early, and I feel like I'm ready to start the day And I try to focus on what I need to do in what order, but I don't actually have a schedule that I Link my time to I Know that there's certain things I need to do and this is gonna sound weird but as being an actor and being a Pisces Pisces are like ping-pong or like pinballs We're over everywhere, right? But we're very creative When the moment strikes me that's when I do it So when I for instance if I know I have voiceover auditions to do instead of doing them in the order that they came in I'll however. I'm feeling that day is how I tackle those auditions I say, you know, I don't feel really I don't I'm not a hundred percent up So I'll go ahead and do this Bank of America spot. I'll try this or I'm feeling good this morning I got up, you know walk the dog and feeling great time to do some video game stuff I'm very in tune with how I feel my emotions and where my body is and Instead of trying to dictate what I need to do. I just kind of let the day happen on its own Then I use Siri like there is no tomorrow use Siri Alexa and Google always use those digital assistants A really good life hack. I've been doing this for years is to get better at your reads on your own Highlight the text and then have Siri if you have an iPhone. I've not if you have an Android It's Bixby have Siri read the script to you. You can start directing her. She's gonna say everything wrong She's gonna drop words. She's gonna pause where she's not supposed to pause But she's you're using her to teach you how not to say it So you let her speak out everything and then you direct her and say, oh you dropped this You didn't this your railroad at the ellipses, but when you record your first take you remember all that and You kill it on the first take all the time and you just do that with every single one It is so much fun and you put her to work. She just in there in your phone hanging out, right? She's just sitting there knitting or doing whatever she does when she's waiting for us to give her commands be nice about it Yeah, she's a digital person be nice If you're Siri is a female she could be a non binary digital assistant or a male assistant, whatever however you prefer Mine is the average voice comes with it But I put her to work and then I have her and Alexa remind me and sometimes they fight Sometimes Jason you have this at three o'clock and Alexa say shut up. He has this at three o'clock. No, I'm just kidding. I wish I'll turn you off. Well, I'll turn the TV on you don't have access to the What's going on in the house? Terrified but I I tend I tend to stay organized by not giving myself Finance I know something needs to be due before 8 a.m. So as long as I get in there before 8 I kind of let the day I kind of go with the ebbs and flows and I tend to that works for me Okay, so you don't have like a big whiteboard or anything like that to keep you organized I have to oh, okay, like there's doodles on them and I do use the cow the calendar. Yes. I use the the calendar that comes in installed in Mac with that And that's been very very helpful with the reminders and whatnot, but I kind of tend to kind of just Flow and do the thing So, how old are you now? This month on the 21st. I will be 42 and I want to tell the audience I know everyone's going through a tough time financially. No, so I have spoken With my family and this year only I will be accepting gifts that can start at three hundred dollars And go up from there. So if you would like to give me a gift They need to start at 299 and up. So usually it's 500 or more. So this year. It's okay I think they got to do a group buy first and then send you the whole yeah, yes Yes, I only ask cuz you know if you can keep all this stuff in your head in the next five years Good luck. Get it. It's not gonna happen. Good luck. Absolutely Once again, we're talking with Jason linear white and we're talking about all the things that he does in the voiceover world and mo cap And on camera and again if you got a question for him based on all this stuff that we've been talking about throw it in the chat room right now So you I I've been noticing That you had a group called Vox or not yes, you know and so I assume that that is Still sort of there, but that's sort of morphed into this company. You've got into dropship studios la Vox or not is all about Vox meaning voice is all about getting some of the best training at affordable actor prices I was doing a lot of ADR and looping training $50 per person. I think we're maxed out at 12 people and this was in person. I think we started in 2017 and went up to about 2020 or so right before COVID happened And you would come from 7 to 10 and I had a bunch of scenarios and it was a day in the life of doing ADR and looping Um a quick small rendition of that what ADR is it means is three or four I don't have to not telling you guys you guys know you guys wrote the book on it Audio dialogue replacement or there's like three other automated dialogue. Yes automatic dialogue It's all the background voices you watch friends at home And you notice that only Rachel and Ross are talking right in the coffee shop You can't hear anyone else those actors are being quiet and later on when they add the episode is edited down It goes to actors such as myself and nine other of us And we start to put in things that we would think the background actors would say it's very lucrative Back in the day This was looked down upon because it was along the lines of being an extra, but what vocal oh my god Once it got out that you get residuals on these just imagine if you Were looping or doing ADR for the Saved by the Bell franchise, right? Those get syndicated and you are just still making money residual checks are coming even though the show's been off air for 20 years Something like that. Yeah, so it's in it's very lucrative and this happens with movies television shows you name it so I do a lot of that it's it's basically like an actor's nine to five and If you're an amazing improver, it doesn't mean you're good at looping if you're extremely good on camera Doesn't mean you're good at looping and vice versa. So it's it's a very finite small niche to get in there But it has become so lucrative. I love it. It's amazing. You work those muscles every day Which is the improv muscles one of the foundations of acting and so many different projects You get to meet different people and get understand their experiences and whatnot and I forgot what the question was well The question was is how do you keep it all straight? There we go Yeah, and also that you're teaching a lot of these things Yes, you've got the meetup group or do people meet up or now we do it online Oh, we're gonna be starting this month of going back to ADR and looping because most of it is now you can do it online So overnight we talk about the structuring of COVID 90% 95% of the time when you did loop you would have to go into the physical studios Well, literally overnight that stopped So now I'm looping with people from New York people in Spain. You name it. We're all working on the same project Everyone's in their booth their closet. You name it and when you watch it on the television Or you see them, you know your phone or movies you can't tell the way they've been mixing them down now You cannot tell yeah, um The show Lovecraft Country Didn't get a second season But we did four episodes in person and the other the rest of the six we did all Individually at home right and I forget I think it's Tim I can't remember his last name at the moment. He's an amazing sound director He won an Emmy for that show. Yeah, and when you listen to it, you cannot tell That it's not at all and it is mixed so well when I watched it myself. I thought man This is good. I would hear myself and my colleagues. I think I Remember when I literally watched on zoom when she said this or did this speech or and it didn't sound like this It's insane. They were having a week to get this stuff up less than a week Yeah, we work on a Monday and that episode to be up by the following Monday So that means they worked on it that entire week and just boom So it's insane on where we are um, but that training is still offered and yeah We do ADR we do mocap training. That's more in-person stuff. Yeah. Yeah. All right The Vox knots in a nutshell. All right. Hey, if you got a question We still have room for a few more so get them in there in the chat room We're talking with Jason linear white and we'll be right back here on voiceover body shop right after this This is Bill Ratner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with Dan Leonard and George Whidham VOBS.TV I Have your PayPal I'll pay you for saying From voiceover essentials calm, it's the relationship savior the multicolor LED VO recording sign Not just a stock on the air or recording sign. 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That's VO heroes comm slash start This is Bill Ratner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with Dan Leonard and George Wittem VOBS dot TV We are back here at voiceover body shop our guest is Jason Lanier white who has been telling us about his amazing career and you're just a kid So we got a lot of stuff coming up for him, which is gonna be really cool. We've got a lot of questions, right, right Jeff Okay, we got lots of questions for you George take the first one from wishbone Yes, wishbone from wishbone from the YouTube's Jason, what's your favorite most recent role or really experience with voice acting and why? There was a big game that I was up for and we did a I did an audition it came from my agents and I got a callback the callback was in my my booth. I did in my booth zoomed in with everyone I got the role and just found out last week the game is canceled It's one of the best franchises and video games that I love but it happens, but it goes to show that You never know it's out of our hands, you know, so I was bummed for about I do the five-minute rule I was bummed. I allowed myself to be bummed for five minutes and then I thought well Hey, if I did it once Hopefully I can do it again. I will do it again and I did a great job on that audition I felt I was the character. I prepared for it. I was very proud of myself that the curveballs They threw at me. I was still able to hit not everything was a home run But I was very proud of myself of how prepared I was yeah, and I would have to say it was that so It would have been nice And of course when you when you're auditioning and you do that stuff and you know, you did it well Mm-hmm. They remember they may not be you may not be right for that particular part Yes, but they'll go oh wait, you know, we're doing this one You know that Jason linear white was really good when he did that so and that happens a lot that happens Frequently which I'm grateful for oh, we all are definitely all right. We got a question from grace Newton Until I can fund coaching What can I be doing daily to prepare for voice acting in video games? Got you. This is for everybody of every genre genre if you want to learn no matter what you want to learn Exhaust your free resources all the time Podcasts you're gonna get bored you're gonna get tired It's gonna get frustrating because not all the information out there is easily ingestible Sometimes people have great info and they don't know how to relay it and vice versa But go through YouTube go through podcasts every time you drive or you walk somewhere You should have your earbuds headphones in and you should be listening to a podcast if someone talking about whatever that is You will be surprised on how many tidbits that you wind up picking up as long as you learn at least one thing It doesn't matter how How much of the information you already know you've already attained even if there's one thing that's new or a different spin on it That might be what you need for it to click exhaust those resources Watch video game trailers watch the trailers and watch the cutscenes cutscenes of the miniature movies in the video games themselves You don't have to be a gamer to be in video games But you have to know the genre if someone says okay I need you to say this line as if you're yelling to the master chief and the covenator behind you shooting in Blasting the ship up the pelican up you need to know what all those words mean. I need to know what the hell a master chief is I need to know what a pelican is I need to know what the covenate is if you don't know what any of those are there's a good way of starting Let's let's go and research halo. What's the story of halo? Leave it on in the background YouTube will just do its thing while you cook dinner and whatever it is it you do do laundry and you learn and soak it up our brains are wired to Fluctuate between our senses when we're already doing something. That's why if you're vacuuming or doing dishes or if you're Doing laundry, but you have something on in the background. Your body is physically Involved in a task, which means that it's going to allocate more energy to your ears So it means you can actually do a lot deep a deeper thinking when your body is used to when your body is physically doing something If you're vacuuming if you're doing the dishes drawing the dishes taking them out of the dishwasher or doing them or whatever doing something You yes repetitive some but something repetitive. Yes Clean the fish tank or Swiffering or something if your body has a task to do The brain can kind of allocate more information to your other tasks. You can taste food better You can retain knowledge better from what you hear your ears perk up better It just whatever's monotonous try to do these things try to leave a podcast or YouTube video playing on in the Background and then project project project one of the easiest ways to get in games is to do what we call battle chatter not going to do one now, but Imagine when you say something your the words coming out of your mouth are flying In front of you they're coming out so fast. They're like bullets going through a wall So a yell or a scream would be oh my god. He's got to kill us battle chatter is a projected yell it's Swapping mags reloading watch the flake is very short and sweet and compact Go from your diaphragm and don't use your throat push from the tummy If you scream and turn to your left or right and you feel any Discomfort or pain you're screaming from the wrong area You want to scream from your chest or your tummy if you can get battle chatter down well and do those in auditions That'll be that's like your background work for video games. They'll call you and we call it killing They'll call you and they'll kill you which just means you get work to exhaustion To do battle chatter and you will be that guy who's or that woman or that person who's just yelling reloading this and that I did a fireman the firefighter video game where it was 10 hours is broken up into three sessions two four-hour sessions and one fuck one one hour session and it was Stuff like that it was We can't get in we got in We're in I mean you it was just page after page of I need the fire acts I need the firehose and each one has to be short sweet and sad as if you're really in front of a blazing fire trying to save someone And even if you do it at a nine, they'll tell you that was great We need a tin push it up even more so that's kind of how you get your foot into games. Definitely Yeah, cool. I follow up to that Sure, nobody's asked it yet, but I'll ask sure because you were mentioning before that people are doing it from All over the place, but does it help to be here in Southern California to be doing that type of work? You know whether it's video games or mo cap or stuff like that I love this question because it's never the answer people think it's gonna be that's why I am so You have you should have a foothold in any genre and in any location you want to work in It doesn't mean you have to live there You should know people and have friends be start with the Facebook group start with Instagram start with Knowing that community if you can afford to travel to those areas and go to a conference or something like that do that You should have a foothold to where at least let's say out of 400 people five to ten people know vaguely of you Oh, that's the Jason guy. He doesn't live here in Amsterdam, but we've met him a couple of years ago Yes, shoot him an audition or yeah, yeah, yeah, he might have to record in LA But we have we know of him. That's all you need. It's just a foothold. It's just like when used to crash in your cousin's couch At any point in time we used to crash in your cousin's cousin's couch That's what you do go to those conferences go to those even you know the zoom meetup start doing that There are so many free resources of how you can get Know the rioting get your name out there and solidified and linked up with something that you want to do You know when I think of John Smith, I immediately think of random default person or name You know, it's that's what you want to do with your name It of course helps to live in Texas if you want to buy and own your own ranch and have tons of horses out there But if you don't you can always fly out to Texas or at least start learning, you know What are some of the adjacent areas that feed into Texas? What are some of the companies that feed into owning a ranch? Oh, there's a feed store that is right here in my neighborhood I can build a relationship with that feed store and Inadvertently somehow it'll help me get my foothold into Texas so I can build my ranch same thing for video games I need to get a foothold in Los Angeles somehow and it doesn't have to be games as actors. We should be quantifying I May meet somebody in the mo cap world on camera theater that helps me get a voiceover video game job, right? So it's no we never arise at our destination the way we think we're going to it's always different Many times it's cooler many times. We think um, oh, I'll just drive up and show up We're you know, however you get that project or that job you might show up like the the rocketeer or with the jetpack or Ironman So always be open to Figuring out on different avenues to to the end goal for sure. You don't have to live in the area Yeah, so so so Catherine jake that of course I gave the lead into this question She's like what is the most difficult part about doing video games? Uh? I would say to be honest. It's it's synonymous and it's exactly the hardest part of any Vo job any acting job is it's the director many times you walk in and they tell you They don't tell you much and you have to have your imagination Already at a hundred percent you have to fill in the blanks sometimes and this just just isn't within the game world Many times the director is really tired There may be four people online via zoom and the writer could be there As well as the director is with you there physically and everybody needs something different And you as an actor you may do take after take after take and the very second first or second take Maybe exactly what they needed or wanted But for whatever reason everyone wants a salad bar. They want a little bit of this little bit of that You have to be able to just Keep that ego down and say I am a part of the puzzle. I am not the overall piece Let's just go. Do you have to have to keep your stamina? I think for me that was a tough a tough one was I would burn out sometimes at three hours Because we would do a lot of shouting or different things or I'm a very active person If I'm running in the game that I try to run in the actual booth to get the sound coming out And when you're doing that multiple times you do get tired And sometimes there's too many cooks in the kitchen and stuff is coming out and it nothing tastes good And you just have to sit there and say it's my job to just be the sous chef here the ingredients I'll make the same dish 50 times here. It is slightly different each time Hmm I would say that's the toughest part is Understanding that humans are still at the helm and we have to figure out on how we navigate each person's different personality Because it's they're gonna tell you yay or nay to go to the next line or when you're ultimately done Jeff Holman gets the next question Yeah, George go ahead you Please point them like it them Yeah, let me just got that loose of this loosen this up. Okay. Go for it Have you ever done mo cap remotely in your own studio like in front of your own green screen? Mm-hmm connected to a studio or something like that. Yes, and believe it or not is long the only The only technical issues you run into is not having enough cameras If you have at least two so that they can see a wide shot and then a closer one from about waist up Believe it or not clients get you see them do this when the session starts and then the moment they see you move and they see your skeleton move or Interpretation of you in the mo cap suit digitally they go oh Okay, now we get it that's exactly how people are gonna feel about the metaverse right now It sounds stupid, but when you put a headset on you go to a digital Nike store You pick up some shoes that aren't really there and you look down and see those shoes on your actual foot and your cartoon style Foot and you can move your leg and look around and still purchase those shoes and in two days they show up then everybody will be okay with the metaverse that's where we're at and How we do Remote sessions is just like that. There's always at least one on the staff of clients that has a pushback of hey We should physically be there. You know how you're in Amsterdam. You're in Turkey. You're in England You're over in you know another part And everyone wants to be on at the same time with you know, you're in Denmark with all the different time constraints but let's just see how this works on the first one and They're always blown away and it's usually latency is the only issue sometimes You know the zoom has to keep up but other than that you'd be surprised they finished the They finished the call of duty of 2020 that way They called all the mocap people in the performers in started in 2019 Covid happened and then they shipped the X sends suits out which are mocap suits You put the suit on zip it up take a couple of minutes and fire it up And you see in real time your movements into the camp into the the computer and the software and they remotely just Directed each actor each performer in their own homes So you push the things out of the garage or out of the way in the family room and you see kids walking in the background And dad is just reloading an imaginary gun, you know using a broomstick or whatever and by the time the developers who Had their work cut out for them. You play the game You cannot tell you cannot tell 75% of the motion movements of that game Or we're done at home by a performers right in X in suits. It's very cool Yeah, but you got to be good at it first. We don't need anything like that here because we have this wonderful set behind us It's amazing. Yeah, the caviar was a little warm when I came in but you know We're trying to improve the craft service here a little bit Kind of Ali asks Jason, how does someone get in touch with you directly? Oh Call 1900 It's 75 cents per minute You can go on the website and just type my name in Jason linear white calm or actor Jason linear white calm or actor or something I don't know and my website will pop up one of those Yeah, or you can if you're on Facebook You can contact me there through messenger if you're on Instagram you can contact me on there Just type in my full name. I pop up. I am not on social media too often these days So if you send me a message and I don't respond promptly promptly would be three days Shoot a little emoji finger like this pointing up that way. I'll get the message I have messages in Instagram eight months old just cuz I just don't I don't see them So I'm not on social media too much These days too many platforms to keep track. There's a lot. There's a lot question We've got about five minutes left question Terry briscoe. Okay, George I've taken part in some of your warm-ups to get ready for video game acting and it's typically high energy stuff Mm-hmm. I was wondering if there's anything you do differently for a lower energy kind of character like an e or or a Wednesday atoms something like more droney. Got you. Yes. Okay, so you This goes right back to auditioning right many of us auditioned to book the job instead of doing the audition justice There has to be a reason that character is moving either slowly or their thought process is slower or that they portrayed Themselves in a very relaxed Manor if we go back to that way if we break the character down like with Wednesday Wednesday is very calculating She's basically the female version of Sherlock Holmes. She sees everything She's like Batman. She sees everything and then chooses her response based on who she's talking to how much she cares and what she wants to say Eor is slower because he he doesn't process things slow. He doesn't care He'll just tell you using the words you're not gonna care because no one cares to be around me because I'm mopey, but This is how I feel man. You really want to know and before he finishes the sentence as a kid watching that you go Slow speed it up But that's built into that character, right? That's built into that character So if we go back and give ourselves a reason, here's the fun part, you're never wrong You're never wrong. It's your interpretation on why you think that character is moving talking or portraying themselves in that manner We can critically think and start to get deeper the more we think about why so Um Yeah, it's all on us individually. There's no one right way or you know, there's billions upon trillions of ways to go about that Yeah, I got a cut time for a couple more here. Okay, Beatrice Ryan asks and she's watching on YouTube great Beatrice Is improv acting part of your background or in your current toolkit? I would hope so. Yes I would say personally improv. I think is the is the basis foundation for all acting because There's gonna be times when even if all the words even if the ad-libs and the improvs are there in the script There's gonna be times when you're a human you're going to reiterate or interpret something a little different than someone else is and To be honest, it makes you Less terrified and have less anxiety when you know Well, if I forget the line, I will be anxious But I know I can improv something similar to what I'm supposed to say and many times or at least 50% of the time It may be better than what's written and you may have to go back and do the written line But improv improv improv and it doesn't have to be silly improv. It doesn't I know when people hear improv They think oh god I got a juggle change pretend to juggle chainsaws or this and that it can be lyrical improv Go on YouTube and put on chill hop chill hop a lo-fi Music and start freestyling. This means lyrical improv try to make Anything you say rhyme and just try to freestyle it will open up your mind It is very challenging and difficult to do but it's so fun and believe it or not You'll start freestyling and rhyming much faster than you think if you can do that That's ten times harder than improving in front of people in the booth. You name it Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right. One more question from Greg Cooper George Great Cooper did you train at the same time for all these genres or do you focus on one area and really try to master it? And then move on to the next genre. Are you good at focusing? That's good. I am I'm very good at focusing when it's something that has to do when I know that Everyone else has an initiative involved in it I would say Start with your background with me That's why I had a chip on my shoulder for mocap was I thought I'm a movement person, right? This will be easy mocaps all about movement. I'll just go in. I'll learn the terminology And I'll just do the moves and I'll take off and you know, thanks And I'll just start my career and to start Yeah, I'll just sail right hit autopilot and just hang out open a coke and chill But start with your background and really do think you might have to ask family members friends colleagues And they may tell you something you forgot. Yeah, remember you took tap dance for you know, six months when you were seven Oh, yeah, I have very good hand foot or I'm pretty good with breaking down movements with my feet or my entire body because of that That makes its way into everything you want to do So start with the foundation of you take a piece of paper and write down all the things that you can do at a Five out of a tin scale zero to ten That's a five or higher you will be surprised on how many things you do at a seven to ten on that scale That can make their way into all of your acting in my experience most people have at least 30 percent of Reserves in anything they do when they do their best take if they really stop and critically think about a couple of things and Do one more take after that and really push they usually have the best take of their life They've ever done because we're usually really timid and we don't want to push more With me I try to get things to where I feel proficient with them say, okay I know nothing about firearms. So I take some classes on that I Feel like I can load rack and you know disassemble this fire arm Good enough with my eyes closed or open to where I feel proficient if I were to perform this in someone in front of someone else And I try not to master things because they're always changing, you know I mastered my Apollo audio interface and you know four months a new one came out That's my that's my number one tagline that for myself if I can do it in front of people and well to where no one goes Then I know that it's time to move on I'll go, okay, cool I feel solid about this Let me learn this part. And so I try not to master things on purpose because they always change Yeah, and that's the way it's done Jason. Thank you. Thank you so much for being with us today George will be and I'll be right back to wrap things up and rack it up for tech talk So stay tuned. 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All right That's gonna do it for us tonight We're gonna re-racket for tech talk if you've got tech questions Now would be a good time to throw them in the chat room because we do it live and then all next week You get to watch all the amazing stuff that we get to talk about right after this Anyway, this is not an easy business That's why we bring you great people like Jason Lanier White who can tell you all the things that you need to know to make it better But when it comes to your sound If it sounds good, it is good I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George with him and this is voiceover body shop or V. Oh Be See you next time later Change chairs We run right to the next thing Back a little bit get this one in the right spot Maybe extend it out just a little bit so I'm more and directly in front of it. I love how that Yeah, you can go out gonna be out the whole time So Yeah, we we have a camera that moves now I call it the chicken head Cool watch how quick it moves It's it's a camera he said we have to have Now now I understand why it's an insta 360 Link L.A. and K about 300 bucks for what it is. It's amazing Yeah, I'm positioning and then just making presets Yeah, all right soon finally I think we're ready. All right hands up. Let's see Let me just Need to zip this one over a little bit more and then zoom in with this one. Oh, I forgot. You just want to bring it closer Got shocked again. I Mean you can hear little bits of noise, but it's not distracting because we have the mic so close that we don't really notice it Yeah, I don't want them to feel like they're Yeah, the younger they are the tougher it is I said the younger they are the tougher it is, you know Yeah There's a full screen bottom right of that window video the video window there's a full screen button now It's like in the video window itself. It's it's a little square Boink see that works We still are waiting for Jeff he had to step to the restroom I'm good for now shots a little all right Okay, we're gonna we're racking it up for tech talk waiting for one other participant to get in here and but if you've got a question about your home voiceover studio Throw it in the chat room because that's where we get your questions from but we got a lot of stuff to talk about tonight If you're probably too much So keep it quick Yeah, hopefully there's a hopefully there's good questions, you know, well, there'll be good question I think we we already have two coming in already. Yeah, all right. Yeah, three. All right. We will officially start at 610 So that way we'll Because I want to leave enough time to talk about what we were talking about the other night with the changing marketplace and and you know the fact that How we've seen things change over time. Yeah, you know, and that's why I sent you that article on podcasting Yeah, I wasn't sure what the total gist of it was it was it was it that the marketplace is shrunk dramatically Well, I said podcasting was like CB radios. Yeah, it was very popular and then usually hot Right and then and then all the manufacturers started making stuff for that not for voiceover. Yeah, it's true So, you know, it was we're planning on changing that. Yeah, exactly survey. I'm gonna mention tonight is all about All right, so now I got the microphone here and now you can probably hear me clear as well like is fantastic Yeah, well, it is an M. It is an MVP excellent Well, we're live, but we're live and we're just we're just waiting for two minutes waiting for everybody to settle So we can start and then I I will note the time Because we go for an hour. Where is the lodge using the restroom? Yes Okay Well, as long as they know they can come back in I can text them and just My levels are good from this spot Yeah, excellent. All right. Good. No, it sounds great. This is Baringer. It's just it's it sounds fantastic. Excellent It was just gathering dust over there. I think it's much and this All right one minute I mean you could actually set that to go to a single shot of either of us I could Which is where now now we see the total value of this thing. I don't need That shot anymore So I could make a lot of focus It's not focus it's just bandwidth. No, okay. Yeah, it's just a network bandwidth or something Yeah, yeah, that looks better. Okay. Cool. Make that position. No, I don't remember what you're pushing. No, is that was that three? Yeah update One Oh, no, no, this is this is fairly new It can yeah, it can try see I turned off the tracking because it can be very annoying You'll go like this or something and suddenly it's like I'm going into whiteboard mode Like no, don't do that. Oh, it has hand gestures. Yeah, it does Don't activate them Okay. All right. It's 10 10. Let's 6 10. Let's go All right. All right. You ready Sue? All right. She's counting us in five four Hey, it's time for voice over body shop tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk And it's number 96 Tech talk number 96. Can you believe that number put the back up there? So 96 look at that Been doing this for so many years and there's still tons of stuff to talk about You know the thing about tech it never stops moving. It doesn't we're actually going to talk about that in a little bit as well But you got lots of stuff to cover here in your tech update We're going to talk about how the marketplace has changed and how you can adapt to now And all sorts of cool stuff about equipment So stay tuned ask your questions live on facebook if you happen to be watching live And if you are Not watching live. Well, remember you can always write your questions in for next time Anyway, it's time for voice over body shop tech talk right now Tech talk Brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of harlan hogan signature products Source elements the makers of source connect Voice over heroes become a hero to your clients with award-winning voice over training Voice actor websites.com where your voice actor website doesn't have to be a pain in the butt voice over extra your daily resource for voice over success And world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Well, hello there. I'm dan lennard and i'm george widham and this is voice over body shop or vo Be as tech talk Tech talk Yes, we're talking tech here on voice over body shop and uh, you know, it's it's amazing How technology has changed we're going to talk about that a little bit later on But the thing is You've got to be able to keep up to date with it And if you don't really understand All the things that go on in your home voiceover studio because that's what it's allowing us to do all the things that we do in voice over today You got to talk to people who actually know what they're doing And I spent a lot of time online and look at the questions that people ask on facebook and linkedin and stuff And people chime in well, I use this well, I use that And the fact of the matter is and you've heard me say this a hundred times before Uh, or at least 96 times before this is tech talk number 96 Everybody is an expert In one studio and one voice except for maybe a handful of people Out there in the voiceover world that actually know what we're talking about Because we're talking about very specific places, which is your home voiceover studio And a home voiceover studio is a unique environment because every voice is different Every room is different everything's different So you need somebody who can understand the basics and how to transform your space Into a proper recording space. That's right every time you ask those questions on those groups You're basically taking a survey And if you don't know how to interpret that survey information You're going to be really confused about what to do with that information Right and as you so many different answers you're going to get right and as you like is you'd like to say Don't crowdsource your home voiceover studio can be changed It would really when you work with us, it's a shortcut. Yeah, that's really what it is You know because we have worked with so many others and we've seen what works and what doesn't work We've bounced things off of each other. We've bounced things off of our colleagues We've taken copious notes Believe me. It's it. Yeah, it's an investment up front But the time you save the direct information you get Absolutely really is worth it. Yeah So if you want to talk with one of us and work with one of us And look at all the services that we offer to help you have a really good home voiceover studio If they want to talk to george who's got a major company that is growing How do they get a hold of you? Yes. Well, you can still reach us at george the dot tech Soon to be also george the dot tech by a whole new version. I'm not we don't have a release date Point get up, but we are so close 2.0. We are so close But the news site's coming soon, but we have we have myself, of course available But many others on our team now available to to take your Support requests for your specific things. We have specialists now Yeah, and you don't need a doctor referral. You can go right to the specialist And uh, so it's it's a really cool thing. So it's all over at george the dot tech Stay tuned for that new site, but we're we're available to take your bookings And we have the 911 emergency support hotline too. Wow, which uh has saved a lot of people's Bacon gig So, uh, but anyway dan you're doing stuff over on the web at home voiceover studio Dot com. Yeah Go on over there My site is set up to make things really simple for you One of the things I offer of course and apparently my cup runneth over this week Is my specimen collection cup? You can send me a raw file people are saying look at all the processing ideas. Is this right? No Um Try not to process your stuff. I want to see it raw I want to see what your your studio sounds like without you doing anything to it because you're really not supposed to be doing anything to it We're going to get your studio sounding right Physically, but you go to there click on the specimen collection cup and send me a specimen for $25 I will show you You know, what's working in your studio? What's not and if we need to do a little bit more further consultation We can discuss that but I I teach this stuff. I've been doing webinars Uh, we've got conferences coming up and I love teaching at conferences So stay tuned for announcements and all that stuff. Uh, that's that's really important Uh, so, uh You get a hold of me. Yeah, get a hold of me over at home voiceover studio dot com and let's talk Home voiceover studio So you got a lot of pile of stuff here in your your update of the week Go for sure do you have the floor sir some pile some of it's more pile than others Um, but anyway quickly There is now multi-channel audio input control In zoom and so that really makes zoom different from every other Conferencing app i'm aware of because now You can choose which channel feeds into zoom So normally zoom feeds all channels into zoom, right? That can be a good thing that can be a bad thing depending on your on your interface But right everybody on apollos and rme's and some of the more complicated interfaces that have Multiple ends multiple outs. This is this is big time for you because you can now Finally tell zoom. No, I want you to hear only my mic I don't want you to hear what's coming back from zoom I don't want you to hear what's coming in on the mic in the other room Just this one mic in it. You can finally do that or you can say I want to hear this mic And I do want to hear what plays back in twisted wave So you can there's more things you can do with with this new version. It's it's definitely a beta It's got some little quirks like it doesn't remember the setting each time you start the apps You have to always remember to go back in and reset it a little annoying But i'm really glad to hear that and I I have to say I don't know to Who to completely attribute this to but I do know for a fact that tim freelander Did talk to zoom about something two years ago and said, please do something about this And I don't know the journey that that took from their meeting to now, but Finally the features in there. They were very busy for the last two years Yeah, I was really glad that they paid attention though. I mean they eventually did it So that's cool interesting update and really it does not affect anybody with standard two channel interfaces if you're on You know scarlet or anything that just has two in two out not not an issue for you guys really Next thing actually that's not entirely true. So So if you've got two mics in your booth, let's say you're only using the 416 Which you have a tlm 103 and it's sitting right over here If you're talking into the tlm one of the 416 over here Zoom is still hearing the 103 over here So even though you might be sending what it sounds to you like good audio and maybe they're hearing good audio If both mics are on and both mics are gained up on your scarlet Zoom is still going to hear both mics all the time. So it won't sound quite as good. It'll sound Phasy and weird. So now it is it could be helpful for you guys as well. Okay moving on Fire this is something we just heard about fire wire support is no longer in ventura. So if you've got Some folks still are hanging on to an older macky onyx fire wire mixer Right that didn't burn out or catch fire or just Who knows what by now? And uh, it that feature is dead Now byron wagner good old byron posted an unbelievably complex That's the way you're using explains things to try to fix this and I I trust that it may be able to work But it's a hack and so basically no more actual fire wire in ventura. So it Thunderbolt includes the fire wire spec and it has for many years now But that spec is gone. They just said well, we don't need it anymore firewires long dead So I can take all of the firewire cables that are piled up in the closet here and use them for a clothes line Oh, yeah for a line weave something I used to have a bin in my car that says fire wire and now it says thunderbolt. I could call the fire wire Anyway, that's just a little funky update again. That doesn't affect many of you But it's a very small percentage may run into this problem Um universal audio sphere lx microphone. They now are selling this super amazing multi pattern Microphone that can emulate all the classic microphones very faithfully They're now selling it under the universal audio brand. It's no longer the towns and labs sphere And they have their their entry level one Still a thousand dollars, but they have a less expensive one that it was absolutely all that you would need You don't need the $1,500 mic and so the price point For getting into these kind of modeling mics that pretend to be other microphones Is getting more affordable that said you still really want to have an Apollo To really get everything out of this in the most seamless way possible But you don't need to the Apollo you can record the audio and add all that effects later So if you want to record into your towns and and then later apply a u87 to it Well, you can do that If you feel the need to do that if you feel you honestly the mic itself the the sphere mic itself when you turn off all models sounds fantastic It's just if you're trying to get that if someone's like I insist that you're on a u87 sound Well, this it does it pretty faithful Yeah, and you know what I think about all that. Yeah, if it sounds good, it is good You're trying to meet a client request. This is a way to do that. Yeah. Yeah Um, oh, I says it's one mic with many faces and it could be a good gas problem solver Gear acquisition syndrome. Yeah If you can prevent you from buying a lot of microphones Or on the converse you could buy this mic try out like seven or eight or 12 mics Find one that was a surprise and then eventually save up the money and buy the real thing No, it could could go the other way. I knew um I did a little survey I meaning the crew over at my other my other apartment The pro audio suite We started talking about will be the ultimate audio interface and we decided to do a little survey about it Okay, um, I'm gonna figure out a way to share it with you guys and the way that you can see it or find it Maybe I'll I'll probably put on the facebook page Because it's obviously a forum link and it's hard to convey over the show But it's essentially a forum asking you what do you think is the ultimate audio interface? What features does it need to have are you happy with the one that you have etc? Etc doing a little bit of market research Okay, so we're gonna see what comes out of that Stay tuned pay attention to the facebook group and we'll make sure that you guys find that link um, moving on Surprise from ssl. I just stumbled on this today SSL now has a conferencing microphone. No, I don't I know that doesn't really matter But it's just weird that uh If you know if you knew the lineage of ssl. I think of a giant console that would fill this entire room Right and cost $100,000. Yeah, this is a little usb mic That's a square like this for 150 bucks that plugs in with usb. So it is the antithesis of this Yet they sell one now and it's supposed to be pretty Amazing because it it has four mics and it auto mixes. So whoever's in front of the mic that's that's speaking It turns the other ones down So it's auto leveling. So if you're having like a conversation across the table It's not hearing the room echoing because it turns the other mics down. So It's not as it's not that problem with the usual conferencing mic where it's picking up the room ambience It's really echoey sounding. So it's not like an omni pattern. It's it's all individual things or like cardioids So it's picking up here and then it does all that automatically I also found it interesting that it also multi tracks So I guess if you're doing a podcast with this thing and I again, I can't vouch for the quality of it yet But you can stick it on a table like a card table around and sit literally the four of you around the single mic And it will not only live mix it for you, but it'll also four track record it for you. So you can mix it later $150 pretty nifty little Gadget if anybody's jones and spend more money and it's going to wanting to do a lot of that kind of recording It would really be simpler than rigging up four condenser mics way easier. Okay Time for you to do some stand-up here Joke time I just this is the dumbest joke, but it's right up my alley. Okay. Anyway, the sound from a musician On stage bounces off the auditorium walls to create To surround the audience the voice reverberates The sound from a pigeon on stage Does not do this. Do you know why? The reason is Coo sticks Oh Coo sticks Okay This is really stupid. It's awful. Get it a coup of the coup. It sticks It doesn't bounce around. Okay. I'll be here all week. Yeah. Yeah, that's my joke That's really it. It looked like a lot of stuff But you you cruise through it Because we want to talk a little bit Dan especially let's talk about The changing market and technology. Tell us where you're coming from. Well, you know Earlier this week I was I've been doing a lot of listening to a lot of different people's You know files and saying well, this is good or your acoustics aren't right or there's a hum in there all the things that I do Whenever I am talking about, you know, making sure that your audio is right And then I started to think You know things have we've been doing this show now for 12 years and we cumulatively doing voiceover technology and home studio technology for probably 30 years combined if not more And It occurred to me that in the 15 years that since we've been doing this particular show How much technology has changed for You're going somewhere Oh, okay Oh, okay. Well, you can do you can probably use the plug from mine the black one there Never mind us while we're doing this sort of thing, but I was I was kind of thinking about How it is that what voiceover technology was like 10 15 years ago and how much it has changed in the Yeah, you can pull that one out right there and plug it in from there See That's okay. This one has enough power. Oh, no, it's actually got a low battery. Oh, okay Make sure that it's on over there Make sure the switch is on Ah Now plug it in never mind us while we're doing this If it goes boop It did not boop is not charging Don't go anywhere. We're going to fix this They only give you two plugs on these max which is a bit of a prank problem, but Okay, hold on a second. I can fix this Interesting it should be It should be to the if you turn on one of the radios then it means it's off No, no turn the radio on just turn the dial on that. Yeah lights on okay, so that that particular bar is working Okay, oh power strips are us we got lots of those if you're wondering what's going on And we're just having a slight little problem with technology and it's not charging So this thing is not working the way it's supposed to It was working before see we try to fix these things and this is what happens That was those battery 8% all right well Okay, we're gonna take quick break do not go anywhere we're gonna fix this We Here's the thing guys We never panic we've been doing this show for so long. It's like it doesn't really matter Okay, you're gonna make some fun. Okay now you can unplug that I mean cup could not be joined Trying to do all this stuff backwards, that's why all right, so if we go into Come on come on Come on, come on you can do it. There we go. All right. Nope Give me that don't join the network this thing joins the network all the time It'll do it. It'll do it. Come on and bingo. We're up Okay, unplug that plug that in there Hopefully sue is keeping time on all this It is not it just took everything offline No, okay, we're back now, okay, but it's not charging why not It it was working all along Well that sucks Why don't you go try switching those two ports? Oh, that's gonna screw up this camera big time and you guys are just enjoying the heck out of this, aren't you? We have no enemies anymore Oh, it's just not it's just not charging Yeah, well that's all All right, why don't we try it on this outlet over here? That's why we record this show bingo What the hell? It does okay now we gotta get this camera working again So maybe the dog can was fine all along Knowing that All right, and we're charging and it's charging Come back. Mr. Whitom not only took what five minutes ten minutes attorney. It took eternity All right, all right, how many minutes was that sue? Let's see this happened at Eight minutes. Okay, so we can add eight minutes to this All right. Thank you sue. Thank you sue. Okay. By the way, you can ask questions anytime Just get him in the chat room right now Okay, so we were talking we were talking about how technology has changed. Yeah, and What we've seen is we've gone from very simple interfaces Fire wire, which you were just talking about And it retired it retired and now a clothesline. Yeah, um and Every time this happens everybody's like, oh now we have to go to something new And you have to be trained on it Um But the thing the thing is is every time there's a change in technology Generally, it makes it more user friendly. That's the idea. Yeah, and people panic about it One of the points was we and I sent you an article was talking about podcasting and podcasting went like this And then went like that. Now. Why do I bring that up because We're always talking about how in voiceover None of the equipment None of the equipment that we use was ever ever ever ever designed For voiceover. It was all designed for recording music and producing music And we're just borrowing this technology to do what we do and adapting it to our purposes The thing is is that When podcasting came along You know, you know, I'm always saying you in boardrooms. They're thinking should we make a a voiceover microphone podcasting came along and Took off everybody's doing a podcast and as I like to say just because you can't do a podcast Doesn't mean everybody should and apparently people are realizing that because there were a lot of podcasts and now there aren't Uh, I mean there are but the ones that have big money behind them and have good distribution and things like that But a lot of the microphone companies and electronic companies Started making podcasting equipment not voiceover equipment Which gave us a little actually a little bit more versatility like i'm using the the procaster, uh, the road procaster Which was designed specifically for podcasting multi channels and and separating the channels and all that You know, you took one look at that and I took what I said But it's got all these features that would be really really good for a number of things One it's got really good pre amps in it. It's really easy to control because it's got sliders on it Uh, it was great for doing webinars because you could Change you know, and it'll add a lot of things in but all that comes at a cost Well wasn't cheap. Well, it comes at a cost of a learning curve. Right. Well, you got it's got a software control panel Right, it's got layers and layers of menus. Right, right. There's a lot to learn inside that thing And so that flexibility comes at a cost right and that is the More there's a greater chance of you making mistakes in the clutch because there's more things you have to know Right make it work. Exactly, right, right, and you know, that didn't take me long to learn it because you and I Know the algorithms of how everything works. You throw a a you know a dawn in front of me I'm like, oh, okay. All right. This is supposed to do that and you work your way through and you Generally can get up and running that very quick, but it has no gain knobs Keep that in mind darn the knobs are actually push buttons on a screen right the game That's not that intuitive, right? So there's pros and cons to all that tech Right But all this tech has come along and then the question becomes well, what should I get to do voiceover? And then I'm usually telling people well, your audio sounds fine. Why would you want if it ain't broke? Why fix it? Uh, as long as something is working You should probably stick with it because a lot of this technology and we're always talking about this as well Is designed to help Your workflow as opposed to the quality of your audio if you're recording at 44 or 1 or at 40 48k And and you know and not at 96 someone was wrote to me the other said should I do it at 96k? I'm like, well, how big is your hard drive? Yeah Do you want it that good? It doesn't matter. That's for recording sound effects for A hollywood movie games, right or or or nature photographers trying to catch all that For voiceover you're you're this far from the mic. You don't need all that resolution to do that. Yeah Where I was going with this was that you don't necessarily have to upgrade all this technology Just because it's there everybody's like, uh, I've got to have the newest and latest thing And you really don't if you've got something and it's working Unless it becomes obsolete because the software Doesn't work with the os anymore because you know apple's always updating their os Windows is like I think they're constantly in motion. It's randomly, right google It's constantly changing then google changes one thing and your website is like my email doesn't work Because they changed one thing and it breaks all this change things. Yes. Yes, but when it comes to voiceover strictly Try and keep it Simple we're always talking about keeping it simple Unless a piece of equipment is going to change your workflow. It's not Going to change the way you read copy And if you're capturing yourself properly in all the ways that we keep telling you what you should It really shouldn't matter however If you happen to have gas Gear acquisition syndrome and you're a real geek and you want to play with that stuff like george does and I do occasionally I'm not a geek. I'm like what works and what works properly And what make you know if I I want to be able to hit record and do my thing In post you can do all my my thoughts are always in post and getting it right up front. So I don't have to do that much post Yeah, yeah, of course And so I I don't worry about I don't really worry about the technology It's some of the cheap crap that was out there say 10 years ago Like yeah, you can dump that that one because it doesn't work anymore or because it's fire wire Or it was noisy or it was noisy or the chain, you know one of the dial starts getting scratchy or something along those lines Yeah, so that's one way to look at it. What are your thoughts on that and how technology has changed because you really Keep up to date and actually I came up with a new term I you know, there's people are always saying. Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm technically inept or I'm I I can't handle the tech I'm intimidated by tech or I'm Amish Yeah, or something like that How many Amish voiceover people there are probably not a lot But the thing is is I've now come up with the new term. They are techno knots techno knots Techno N. O. T. N. O. T. Yeah, techno. No, no Yeah, I'm I'm for one. I am frustrated that uh, the audio industry has not embraced the voiceover business despite the the evidence showing that there's a tremendous amount of People that need this equipment um and need equipment that's suitable for their needs Again, isn't hopelessly mired in firmware updates software control panels layers of menus On and on and on which is what we don't want. We just don't want that stuff in the way And so uh, yeah, I'm I'm frustrated that that gear is either if it's on the analog side It has way too many features because it's a mixer Right, and it's mixing things right. We don't need to mix anything All we need to mix is what we hear in our headphones, right? And then you've got the digital side where you have unbelievable flexibility complete customization Like the interface we use to mix this show unbelievably flexible system it does unbelievable numbers of things It has an incredible Uh, look at this user. Let me see if I can bring the user interface up just so you guys can see This is the user interface of what I'm using right now to mix the show, right? It has an unbelievable amount of layers of functionality Right on and on and on and on and on and it's perfect for doing what we're doing. Yeah, except that Having it doesn't make you sound better. It's knowing how to use it. Yes. Yes So I could make this thing be a fantastic sounding home studio interface But it would require paying a guy like me to program it get it working the way it needs to be And then I have to tell you don't touch anything Which is not the way I want to set up a home studio even with even in the analog days I didn't like to know that I had to um You know had to worry that if someone would touch that button or that knob It would break things or that button might get dusty And then if they don't press it every year a few times it will sound scratchy on and on, you know, it's like So, yeah, it's it is frustrating. There's a huge hole. I feel like in the market for Um an interface system that is just for for us for for what we do, right? You know and I want I want to see that change. Yeah, I mean there are some very simple interfaces Of course, you know, I mean and ones that are really good, you know, the you know And they were suitable 10 years ago, right because nobody had to do playback Nobody had to interface with zoom right all your job was was to literally hit record Right and edit and then send the file that was all you had to do right But now it's like well, you're gonna be on source connect and then the client's gonna be coming in on zoom We're gonna send you a video as a reference And we'd like you to be able to share that video with the client because we didn't pay an engineer to do that So it's your job and this is the kind of crap that voice-over actors have to deal with Are saddled with and it needs to be easier for them No, no question about it But there are units that you know if all you're doing is one track Which is what you should only really be doing unless you're doing all these other things And generally if you move into the spot where you're doing all of that kind of stuff Chances are you're making enough money to be able to invest In that better equipment in order to do that if it existed if it existed I'm just saying Check the survey. I mentioned earlier in the show. I will put it on the website Fill it out. You tell us what your thing does or doesn't do what you needed to do And I just want to know more because I'm curious about what it would take To solve those problems. Okay. I won't go into more detail. I cannot Uh, mom's the word. Okay. If you've got questions for us because as you can tell Because of the troubleshooting we do You can tell that we actually know what we're talking about Live on the show. Yeah, just plug it in and this over here. That'll that'll change things But if you've got a question about your home voiceover studio anything has to do with Interfaces microphones acoustics Because we all know that pigeons pigeons. Yes Because the acoustics are very important Any one of those things if you've got a question something that's bugging you or you've got a problem with your studio Throw it in the chat room. Whether you're on facebook live or youtube live or you're watching this via, you know, shortwave Shortwave still I yeah, I know several people still doing shortwave But the internet sort of killed that forever de-exing. Yeah, um, but still fun But anyway, if you've got a question about any of that stuff with your home voiceover studio Throw it in the chat room right now and we will get to your question In just a little bit, but we're going to take a break right now and we'll be right back here on voiceover body shop So don't go away Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. It's great From voiceover From voiceover essentials.com. It's the relationship savior the multicolor led vo recording sign Not just a stock on the air or recording sign. 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We talked about sorry guys Didn't tell you we're doing a spot live in the studio. It's time to talk about source elements again source elements The creators of source connect and my camera is over here Thanks for the reminder Source connect is an incredible audio tool for connecting your studio with other studios around the world and it's really become Very much a standard And there's a lot of reasons for that. They've been around a long time. The tool has been available now for over 15 years But not just that momentum. It's workflow It allows the audio from the studio you're in your home studio in most cases But it could be another studio that you rent To do the session and it links you into their timeline It goes your audio goes right into the project directly Right in there and immediately is allowed to be played back and auditioned and listened to With the other elements of that production the other parts of the mix That could be voices from a television show because you're doing promo It could be just the sounds of nature because you're doing commercials for claret and or I don't know what Whatever the other elements of that commercial are all there And when they play it back your voice is in there and the client gets to hear what that will sound like when it's all finished On the spot and they love that and that's what source connect can do So get yourself set up Be ready to use it learn how to use it and also make sure your studio is up to snuff If you're not sure They will help you find that out. Believe me. Believe it or not They are actually able to help evaluate your studio as well as dan and I and you can get set up at source dash elements Dot com get that trial going over there and get familiar. Thanks source elements. Let's get back to those questions right after this Hey there. I'm david h. Lawrence the 17th and With my company vio heroes and my team of coaches and my community of voiceover talent We guide voiceover actors along their journey And you may be watching v obs here And not nearly as far along as many of the other people who are watching you may not even have Started yet And we actually specialize in helping you do just that so if you're watching all the stuff going on here on v obs and going I have no idea what they're talking about. 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Yeah, and uh, I am constantly on there going Oh, here's an interesting question and let's go with what was asked Uh, eve florin asks Says do you know when source connect will release a version that is notarized? Because of privacy vulnerabilities and older software My techie husband seems to think it's a risk to install without being notarized No Does that mean you got to go get a notary stamp on it or something or what does that exactly mean? It is kind of fascinating. There there are a number of things I install for people on a regular basis that require You to tell apple that yeah, I know this software isn't um officially Allowed to run on a mac. This is the notarized thing But apple still allows you to say acknowledge this fact and open anyway, right? There's this button. It says open anyway, right? and um It's on the source element side. I think it's because that software has been It's pretty old It's source elements source connect standard 3.9 0.20 or whatever it is. It's been around a while, but it works But it works right and so they they They've decided to put all their eggs into the new version all the eggs in the basket of a new version That's been in development for a very long time But when it comes out, they'll have all those ducks in a row But for now they rely on the fact that apple does allow users to Open an application anyway, even if it's not notarized The only reason to not open something that's not notarized would be to open install Install and open something from somebody you have no effing clue who it is Like if it's from a completely random Website somebody somebody said here's a beta thing. I heard or this thing is free. It's amazing But you don't know anything about the company and they have no reputation. That's a bad idea Source elements has a long-standing reputation. They are trustworthy If you can't trust who you're installing and you have to do the open anyway thing Then I would be a little bit more concerned, right? Right. I get that though. And yeah, every app should do that It's it's apple protecting you and it's also apple getting everybody to send them a little bit more money It's a little bit of both a little bit of both. They don't have enough No, it's a good question part two to that question Yes, which is more to the point about what we usually talk about. Yeah, not that source connect isn't something we don't We talk about She says I have a personas audio box usb 96 And in order to have my voice reach between minus 12 and minus six Yeah, sort of uh, I have to turn the gain up so much that it raises my noise floor any advice for a different preamp It's what mic is it that well, that was my immediate question. I have not heard back from her I'm like, what mic is it? Yeah, but that has more to do with the microphone itself than the preamp because Yeah, a personas auto audio box 96 Got the resolution. It's got a good preamp in it. It should not be a problem So what I'm thinking is if it's the mic It's she doesn't say if it's a an audio technique of 2020 or Yeah, something along those lines that is not perhaps the best Mic, a lot of them have a lot of self noise and the more gain you give it the more noise you're going to have Right or and this is the one that always gets me because I I forget when I'm talking to people What mic is it does it have a A pad on it. Oh, yeah, does it have a 20 a 20 db pad or a 10 db pad people like oh, that should I guess that's something important It should be on it cuts the sensitivity of the mic by 10 or 20 db. That's right. And then you gotta really crank the The interface and that brings up the noise level So whatever mic it is if it has switches on it like an at 20 25 Has those switches the 20 35 has pads on the bottom right and a lot other mics have a pad switch You do not want to use a pad switch for a spoken word voiceover, right? Maybe screaming But any standard spoken word you do not want to make the mic less sensitive So also, I don't know if she could be using a dynamic mic. That's typically have much lower output Ah, I bet she's using an re 20 or an sm7 And if that's the case, yeah, you probably do have the gain maxed out and if you have to run the gain wide open Hiss is your is what's going to result that is almost always going to happen on these very affordable audio interfaces Noisy preamps, right if you happen to go to one of the retail online stories and we won't mention any names um You know like banjo and gory or or the the bitter well, um I just came up with that one They are they're like they have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to voiceover No, they're they're recording engineers and their musicians and they have no idea that you're in your closet and they see People buying sm7s and re 20s and stuff because that's what people are using for because we were talking about before Podcasting podcast and you that's not voiceover and the sm7 is great If you're bruce springsteen and sing and rail out into it. I know he actually uses one But for voiceover you need a studio condenser mic like this one And have it set up right in the right environment because shotgun condenser mic like we're like like that one Both of which I own So that's I think that's an important thing that people need to understand is do not use a dynamic mic If someone says oh, you need an sm7 from sure Tell them goodbye because they have no idea what they're talking about stop using those now I'm sure people. Oh, just put a cloud lifter on it. Which would make roger cloud very happy He is already very happy about this. Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, roger is fine, right So don't worry about it. There's sold Tens of thousands of those great for ribbon mics, especially if you like ribbon mics But those are specialty type items for straight voiceover Get a fine quality studio condenser mic and that will probably solve your problem So as you can see the less can the less complete your question the longer the answer Because we don't know so many different variables. Okay, um Florida Dave Yeah, now I got this email today go to that website and see if you can share that go tools dot com. All right Because what what what he what he sent us was This fascinating thing Where okay go tools or go to go to tools. Yeah So yeah go to tools has knockoff microphones and he sent me a picture and it looked like Annoyment u87 like it's not the right domain. Okay. Uh, well to tools dot com or is it something else? Well, something like that. I go oh tools Try that one now. Well, anyway The question was this is tempted to test drive this and see what the actual response curve They say frequency response curve one times one reproduce well known design Well one the fact that it's in bad english Gives a clue they these microphones that look like a tlm 103 and a u87 and 103 bucks And I'm like should I test drive this? Uh, and of course then there's all this, you know Fake reviews on it underneath. Oh, this is one of the greatest things I've ever seen Start with a z. Yeah go to tool. There you go. All right. Yeah You you cannot buy a good quality studio condenser might that looks like a u87 or a tlm 103 And think that it's going to do great for you. It's nonsense They've probably put an electric condenser microphone in it. Oh, look. It's a u87. They even had like a blue Uh diamond logo on it. See that? Yes, they do. You know, wait, that's not just any blue diamond logo It's but it says go to tools Oh, uh, okay, why don't you have a picture of an actual norm and microphone because the one they sent me does does not have that Anyway, the fact of the matter is unless it's yes These are like horrendous knockoffs. Don't even think about it. They're going after people's are all they're only going to buy They don't want to spend a thousand bucks. This one took to you know cost us, you know, five ballad dollars to build And it's you know, and they're charging a hundred bucks for it. Yeah, I'm just I'm creeped Out that the microphone that's on their website Is an actual Neumann Well, it has Neumann badging on it. Ah, okay, but that's the part that really bugs me. Yeah, and well, it should so So florida dave no Not yeah major red flag there, man major red. Well, it's could you get lucky? Yes, you could get lucky Um, you don't want to get lucky the thing is you're not going to get any consistency from mic to mic It's a complete crap shoot whether yours is any good Um, and you know, it's a pain in the neck. Yeah, why bother? I mean, there was a thing with with knockoff 416s a couple years ago. There was absolutely Yeah, it's just a very special mic made by the people at sennheiser and they actually know how to do it Yeah, I should have thrown the right url in there because the picture was like what? Did you wait he's seven and they look like a tlm is 103 out of you 87? But in that for 107 bucks not a fan not gonna happen. All right, you get the question from grace newton. All right grace Uh, thanks to you guys and Byron. My noise floor is pristine But someone told me they're in something and a shotgun mic. I always love the someone someone Did you ever meet that guy? I know lots of some ones because it it makes it because it reduces ambient noise And that seemed odd to me Is there any truth to that? Is there any truth to that to a shotgun mic that that it reduces ambient noise? Well, it reduces sensitivity to ambient noise. Yeah, so, you know because a microphone That's a shotgun type mic is more directional right and thereby doesn't want to hear more of what's around the microphone. It's more Direct it's more directional less sensitive to ambient But we can demonstrate that because if I go like that in front of a 416 and then I go like This on a 416 You can hear that it is the axis is very very narrow. Yeah, I'll mute your mic for a second. Okay. Here is the Here's this microphone. So you can hear it picks up All the fingers moving the details Mouth noise then as I go over here It picks up far far less mouth noise it sounds more dull and so any sound that's like more background hissy noise or you know white noise or room noise or whatever the mics just gonna hear A lot less of it. Right. So but a 416 Is a great mic Bless you 416 is a great mic because it's very versatile and it's designed to pick up a human voice From a distance so you don't have to really be on top of it Yeah, you can if you have a good room, you can be pretty far away like I am right now In fact, you can see I can get pretty far away. I'm One of my about a foot And you can still I can still get a present clear sound but as I get closer It gets a little bit more focused a little bit more rich and as I get Closer you get a little bit of proximity effect and it gets more and more kind of a It's like a zoom lens, you know, it kind of zooms on the voice so 416 great microphone knock off Not a good idea. Yeah Oh, right. G. Yes of dave g says Acute this is now this one's designed for me. Okay acoustic fabric worth the upgrade on my sound panels Or is this Yeah Okay, okay. Yeah, um sound panels You can make sound panels real easily There are companies that make really good sound panels The thing is is I have seen the made out of fiberglass like you know audio You know muting type fiberglass rock wool Amazingly and you see this on a youtube a lot in some articles old towels Oh, yeah, the diy perks guide right works great You know now the moving blankets from harbor freight Okay, actually mentioned a place, but they're cheap. They're and you know, they were having a giant liquidation I was really afraid for the giants But the especially the liquid giant. Yeah. Yeah, but you know giant liquidation. No, watch out They were like practically giving them away like four bucks a piece I'm like, did you smell like a chemical factor? They did not they did not the blue ones do the black ones are a little better They make now one that's like It's like eight feet across it can cover an entire booth with it. It's just amazing Uh, and it's green. So if you're like a green You know, uh, do you want to get a green screen in in your back of your booth? You can do that Exactly just a little bit of quilting in it. Uh, but yeah, no, that's the Blankets are great duvets are great Uh, but the the question is is acoustic fabric. Is it worth the upgrade? Acoustic fabric if you're talking blankets great stuff. Uh, I'm still confused what the question means Acoustic fabric like I'm thinking of that. That's what you wrap your acoustical power in right? Isn't that what he's referring to? I'm not quite sure Because acoustic fabric is essentially acoustically translucent. It has no sound of its own right and it We'll pass right through it right into the the absorption material exactly. It's like speaker cloth or something It looks nice. It's designed to make your panel look nice or color coordinate with your studio or whatever But it should have no sound of its own So I don't know if that's what you're specifically talking about If you're trying to just upgrade what you already have and make it look pretty That's great. Yeah, some nice acoustical fabric You know and wrap those panels. Yeah now I now as people know I'm into antique radios And sometimes the fabric on something that's 70 80 years old just deteriorate Yeah, exactly. You got to replace it, but they make material For speaker grids for old radios, which is I guess acoustic fabric. What's going on over there? Well, it's some carpeting or something. I don't know, but it works So it doesn't really matter. Yeah But I will I will add those in but they make that type of fabric. So is it worth the upgrade? It depends on what's on there now if it's working now Exactly. It doesn't really matter. Right Okay, Jeff that means I get to point the camera at Jeff A little bit more a little bit more a little bit more keep going. Yeah, okay down and bingo go He's not really there, but I love it. That looks cool, man. Actually, I like that. Yeah, you should get that printed on the shirt Yeah, ask your question George does source connect work for audio only or for video as well Does the source connect work for audio only? I had the microphone off. Sorry about that. Say it again, Jeff Does source connect work for audio only or for video as well? Source connect itself the actual source connect app is only carrying audio. There's no video signal Got it. It will synchronize video like if you if somebody sends you a video file and you do have to use a more sophisticated applicate twisted wave won't do this but you could do this in reaper or audition Or twit pro tools or sound studio studio one. It has to be a multi-track doll Then you can have the video that's on your computer play back in synchronization. It's called rts or remote transport sync So this is used occasionally for adr doing adr remotely because you need to lap match the lip flaps All right So then you're recording along and the video is playing along and you're watching the and they'll like take it again Take it again. Take it again until Until you nail the take and it matches um That's one of the very few scenarios where I think the video is and is is ever a factor with source connect but generally Very little video is being used in any source connect sessions that I've seen anyway. It's rare Right on. Thanks. Yeah, sure. All right Uh question from carlin tools Watching us at youtube. I love that guy's name. I don't know why it's because it's george carlin carlin It reminds me george and I love george and it's tools, which who doesn't love tools Use this drill. What is not to love about that name carlin tools? Anyway, okay Anyway, he says I use an apollo twin in my studio, which we're no longer really recommending it to people, are we Only if you hire me first Otherwise you're you're totally screwed Um, is there a travel version or a similar you recommend for traveling? Why do people buy apollo twins and why do people keep recommending them? It has to do with The stuff it does that isn't really necessary Well, it's because people want to have all the extra bells and whistles like instant gain recall of certain gain parameters I want my game to be Precisely 43 decibels every time I do an animation session with Nickelodeon. Well, you can save that as a setting, right? Right, or they want to have a compressor That emulates a six 1960s telechronic la2a. Well that's for some reason. Yeah, or they they Want to be able to play back the audio to To zoom or something and have that all happen automatically. Well, it can do that too. It's it's flexible. It's routable and it's also Very confusing to use at times because of its deep software again the software side of it's very complex Um, but the only thing they make that's close to being travel friendly would be the solo It's still pretty chunky. It's still a box like this about this big Yeah, you know, it's not small But the solo does plug in with thunderbolt 3 Which is any of the max from the last eight years maybe since 2016 And um, so it plugs in with one cable. So it's kind of portable. It's still not it's not a mic port pro There's a portable, right? So the thing is is if you're on the road all those presets mean diddly Well, yeah, because those are going to be all tuned or set for your home studio So they may not be relevant to your travel setup. So you have to be aware of that Um, so yeah, your mileage may vary, right? I've tuned those for people that are traveling I've even tuned one for one of my clients who works in his tesla When he's between locations and he has to do a trailer Talk about rarefied air. This is very few people doing this Yeah, but it happens and then he loves that loves to be able to do that, right And and the the thing is is there are really good rigs For travel like we've been taught we talk about the centric The centrals mic port pro 2 has a limiter on it and then and the 3 and the mixer face They're much smaller the size of a cigarette pack If you remember what those look like and no quality compromise Oh, none whatsoever the sound is great And you know, we've recommended it to some very high-end people and they're like this is fabulous So if you're looking for a good travel rig, if you're looking for an interface that's going to work really well on the road That's one or anything that's small, you know, but if you're looking for an Apollo twin Substitute or something that does all the stuff that the Apollo twin does because you want to do it on the road I'd say it's not really a good idea because you can't do the stuff On the road that you can do in your home studio It's very hard to get it to match. Yeah, like if you're trying to pick up something on the road Forget it. That's tough. I mean, maybe a word very hard. Yeah, they change a word and I've done it tech I did it from a hospital bed once. Yeah with my iPad. Yeah, I will say this if you're super in love with the plugins from UAD They do have spark now, which is like letting you run UAD plugins on your DAW without the UAD hardware That is a thing now So you could still if you're really really in love with the avalon 737 or the whatever preamp Processing thing you can run those in spark UAD spark And that lets you run those plugins and even twisted wave or whatever And get the same exact processing without the actual physical hardware So there is that work around if if the plugins are what you're looking for Okay, now Dave G has clarification clarification. We always appreciate this further explanation to his question Okay. This question is about the DIY burlap cover for sound panels versus acoustic fabric for All right, the burlap covers Dave does it work? Yeah, it's fine. I mean, are you are you inviting, you know, you're you're your local senators or whatever in there You want to impress them? Yeah, you might want to do something But wasn't it wasn't there the company that had the coffee bags The coffee bean bags that I'm you could paint anything you wanted on them. Yeah, that was cool ATS acoustics literally can get them panels wrapped in used coffee bags. Yeah, I mean, that's a thing So don't worry about it the burlap works perfectly fine. Yeah If you're trying to get this like furniture grade fabric that looks really really high end Then by the upgraded fabric from like guilt the Guilford of Maine brand fabric ATS has a a fabric that's more like a Micro suede Ah, yes And that that works pretty well too But yeah, otherwise they're all gonna sound if they're designed correctly. They're all gonna sound the same Right, it's just a matter of how they look in the fit and finish That's always something interesting as people at the aesthetics of their home studio like for some people It really matters But to me it's like nobody needs to see how the sausage is made if you're in your closet around all your clothes and stuff What good is, you know, well, I want the nice fabric You know, I mean, yeah, I wanted red seats for my Camry, but You know, that's something I use every day and other people get in my car Right and then presses the heck out of them. But right, uh, that's important to you I mean, you might you know, you might be on camera a lot more these days And then it becomes more important to some of you guys. So it's up to you Right, whether it's a waste of money or not. That's up to you. Right. We can't tell you that that's up to you Right. So did I say that's up to you enough times? Because because it is up to you Not you, but the point Anyway, all right, that's gonna wrap it up. That's gonna Russians. Yeah, that's that's and I think that's plenty Uh, because I think we covered an awful lot of stuff tonight. You're not gonna you're not gonna get this stuff anywhere else George and I do this all the time There are people that are like engineers and are like, uh, you got to use this processing and use all that At not your job your job is to consult with people who actually know what it is You're doing in your closet or your pvc booth or in your studio bricks or vocal booth to go or whatever That's right, but every room is different. Every voice is different Every single home voiceover studio has to be tuned to you And it's it's not what you have. It's how you use it. Yeah, that's what we explained to you So that's gonna wrap that up. 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