 Let's go ahead and jump into it. Let me make one quick, make one fix on something. Give me one second. Let me move this up here because the software is set up differently. So now I've got to fix this. Let me go to here and make this correction over here. When I go to this, I need to go to where? Okay. Let me take care of these really, really, really, really briefly. Guys, let me say this while I'm fixing this. Let me say this while I'm doing this. One of the reasons why I absolutely do respect Dr. Brown is he will go and defend his doctrine. He will go and defend his doctrine. Whereas many people, there are many folks who just will not. I think that we owe it to ourselves, to each other, that if we're going to hold a particular stance, that we should be willing to defend our doctrine. Dr. Brown will go and it's not like he's just some, just some slept rock going around. You know, this is, this is Dr. Michael Brown. He is the guy that if you are Pentecostal, if you are charismatic, they tend to refer to him. Dr. And there are other people as well. There are other, there are, he mentioned a Greg, Greg Keneer, he mentioned a Keneer as well. And so there are different people who that they look at to kind of help them with their understanding. Now, I did, and I didn't want to say this, I should have, I should have said this, but the overwhelming majority of Hebrew and Greek scholars do not, do not agree with him, which is not an issue. That doesn't really mean thing if a scholar says something or not, or the number of scholars that do. Let me see if this shows up correctly. Okay, cool. I wanted to make sure that this is actually showing, uh-oh, wait a minute. Okay, I see what's happening. I want to make sure that the, that it's showing up correctly. Matter of fact, this is one last thing. I'm trying to fix stuff on the fly. That's for what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to fix stuff on the fly. Is it this one? There it is. There it is. Now I'm good. All right, cool. Uh, the setup that I had previously is different than the setup now. So what I want to do is any of you guys that have a question about what we're talking, what we talked about, and why has this not switched over? Did not do so. Okay. But if any of you guys have a question about what we talked about, uh, go ahead and put a Q in. We'll go ahead and try to make this as lively as possible. In the discussion, he only had an hour and so I wanted to make sure that I gave him more time because he's a guess. He and I, I don't know if he realizes this, but he and I are supposed to also do a debate in like two months on one saved, always saved. But what I think is the issue, this is just me. What I think is the issue and what I've seen is so many people will give preference to experience whether it be their experience or others experiences over the word. And if I just take which is why I was asking him on that one particular passage, well, what does, how does his word say? What, what does this particular passage say? Let's look at the Greek rather than going through a Greek grammarian, a Greek scholar. Um, he's not, he's not a Greek scholar, but he knows the Greek. So let's just go and look at it and see, uh, what it says. And so again, by the way, by the way, it was a grammarian, not, not just a scholar, but a Greek grammarian, a Greek scholar who showed me this. It's like, okay, wow. Matter of fact, and there are others that, that, that say that too. And so off the top of my head, I couldn't think, okay, what did this person say? Cause I didn't want to say Dr. So and So said this and I might've been incorrect. So we'll go and find out who said what and how they interpret how they take this because again, the overwhelming majority, the overwhelming majority of them do not agree with him, which doesn't mean anything, which that, yeah, yeah, uh, the debate already happened and happened it. Now, but listen, the beauty of YouTube is you can go back and watch it. You can go back and watch it. I think so too. Um, context. We never got a chance to kind of go, I want to go more into it. If you ever, why am I so feisty? I don't know. I didn't, I didn't think I was feisty. I thought that, you know, he pushed back, I pushed back, but I might've been the one that pushed back first. I'm not sure. But he doesn't mind that. He doesn't mind it. By the way, when he, and that's good for him as often as he debates with other people, especially, uh, you all saw, I don't know if you all saw the bait that he had with the, uh, the Hebrew Israelite and just what he debated wasn't even, it was, it was, I was, I was embarrassed for the brother. I really was, but I will, I will muster cheap faith. As a matter of fact, what I want to do is if you notice a lot of the videos on tongues that I had were taken down, I did this a few months back, prior to even knowing about this, because I didn't like the quality of them, the, the sound, the lighting and so forth. There's like all over the place. And so you'll see more of those. But what I want to cover, something really, really briefly, I want to cover this whole issue. God, and y'all see if y'all can track me and I'm, and I'm looking at your questions as well, marking them down. Make sure you put a Q or question in there. Uh, no, I don't want, I don't want to debate you on free grace any time. Not maybe sometime later, maybe sometime later. But not right now, not right now, but maybe later. I'm not, I'm not avoiding it, but I've got a ton to do. But by the way, tonight, tonight is the night of the NFL draft, which we'll be leaving. We got about an hour and a half, two hours. So let me just explain this. This is how the Bible sets this thing up. You all tell me where you disagree as we're going. God tells mankind to be fruitful and multiplied, to go over the earth and subdue it. As he is subduing it, they decide to, you know what? We like it right here. Let's not move. We're going to stay right here. We're going to, matter of fact, we like it so much. We are going to build a tower to ourself, the Tower of Babel. So what does God do? I want you to go and spread my name, spread my fame throughout the world, but you're not going to do it. So I'll tell you what, the, the impetus of that is me confounding your voice, your languages and making you scatter. So what do they do? They scatter. Now, at that point in time, they're not obviously, they're not spreading his name. They're not spreading the glory of God, but it's going to happen. So what does he do? He picks a nation, Israel. He takes that nation and he gives them, as Paul says, the oracles of God. However, let's put it on the screen. There's a problem with Israel. The problem with Israel, where is this passage at? Oh, here it is. God makes this statement. He says, chapter 32 of verse 21 of Deuteronomy says, they have made me jealous with what is not God. In other words, these Jews are, are playing the harlot with these other gods. And so he says, they have provoked me to anger with their idol. So what will God do? I will make them jealous with those who are not a people. Notice that guys, watch how this progresses. I will make them jealous of those who are not a people. Well, who's he speaking of? The people who are not a people are ultimately going to end up being non-Jews, us Gentiles. How is it going to do that? Well, one, after he does what he does to Israel and he brings about this Messiah, let's fast forward from there, knowing already what he's going to do. Fast forward to the Gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospels preach. The Gospels preach primarily to who? To the Jews. Now he does make a stop in John four, where he says, I need to go to Samaria and he has a conversation with this woman and then the people in the village there that she goes to speak to. They come back, but he also has this in mind with Samaria. He also has this in mind with the Gentiles. Paul lets us know that this mystery has always been there. This mystery, he's spoken about it, but now it's clear. And so we see that he is going to make the Jews jealous with the Gentiles, by the Gentiles. Well, what does he do? The first Jews to ever accept the Gospel, to hear the Gospel. I mean, the first people ever hear the Gospel are Jews. Jesus makes a statement in John chapter 15. And I don't think that God is just throwing up mysterious stuff as he goes. I think that all of this stuff seems to fit. You all tell me what you think. In John 14, 15 and 16, Jesus is letting everyone know that he is getting ready to depart. He's getting ready to move on. He's getting ready to die. And so what does he say? The Holy Spirit is coming. Look what he says in chapter 15 verse 26. He says, but when the helper comes, I need to move this down so I can see more. I'm sorry. But when the Holy Spirit or the helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will what? He will testify. This word right here is to testify or to give witness, bear witness. He will testify of who? Of me, of Jesus. Are you with me? So this is Jesus saying to the disciples that when the Holy Spirit comes upon them or in them, what are they going to do? Testify of who? God know of their own goodness, of how much money they want and get. No, they're going to testify of Jesus. The Spirit of God is going to testify of Jesus. Are you with me? Matter of fact, if we go to chapter 16, he says the same thing. He kind of reiterates this as well. He says, but now I'm going to him who sent me and none of you who asked me, you asked me where are you going? But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But look what he says, but I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away for if I do not go away, then the helper will not come. So I've got to lead in order for the Holy Spirit to come. And he says, and when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness. How is the Holy Spirit, when he comes, he just told me he's going to be in them and they're going to testify. Then he gives some more clarification, says that he will convict the world concerning sin, righteousness and judgment. What does that sound like what we do? Isn't that sound the same thing that we do when we give the gospel? We give the bad news and then we give the good news. The bad news is because of your sin, you are in trouble. You in trouble, but because of his good, the good news, his goodness, he died so that we don't have to be in trouble. And then Acts 1-8, what does he say in Acts 1? He says that you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and to the uttermost parts of the world. I'm sorry. And I disagree with Dr. Brown. You're not going to the uttermost parts of the world speaking Greek or speaking Aramaic. Why? Because when we see where the gospel is going to, to Asia Minor, to Europe, to Africa, they're not all speaking Greek. They're not all speaking Aramaic. They're not all speaking Hebrew. So there's the need for tongues or languages. By the way, we didn't really get on this as much, but it's always been an actual language. And so if we're going to use the standard of use is that nowhere before, because he was sensing along those lines, well, if that's the case, then nowhere before do we see prior to verse 14, I mean chapter 14, and I don't even think that's being said in verse chapter 14, nowhere before do we see anyone speaking in a unknown tongue, gibberish, ecstatic language, whatever you want to call it, babbling, whatever you want to call it, every time prior we see them speaking in a known language. So the precedence is set. Why then do we get to this chapter and change? Oh, by the way, why do we also get to chapter 12 and 14 and change even though it's also being stated that all of these spiritual gifts are for the edification of the body? I didn't get a chance because he had to go, but I wanted to ask and I'll ask you guys the same question. You can answer this question and I'll give you in a second. But name a spiritual gift that is not used for the edification of the body. Name the spiritual gift that is used to edify yourself. If Paul is writing in chapter 12, 13, 14, if he's writing a letter of rebuke, if he's writing to say, Hey, guys, you've been doing something ignorantly. Well, what have you been doing ignorantly? The only thing that we can surmise is that, as he says in chapter 12, something out of your mouth. You've been speaking in these two Greek words to keep coming up. Lallon, Glossis, which is speaking in these languages. It's the same words that are used in Acts. It's the same words that are used in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. It's literally the same words. And so now what you have to do is change the meaning of the word to fit your doctrine or your theology or your denomination. Because remember, previously, no one was interpreting it the way that Dr. Brown is or other people who believe in these sort of tongues. Because my question still is that if these tongues are to edify us, again, there's no passage that tells us that any other spiritual gift is edify us. And as Paul is saying this, I want you, because how much sense does it make? I want you to edify the body, build up the body, but this gift is edify yourself. That's going contrary to what Paul is saying. But how much sense does it make if this gift edifies you, but not all speaking tongues? Then that means not all are going to be edified. There is the issue. And so I won't go into my entire statement because we'll be here for three more hours. But let me go ahead and start answering some of these questions. Let me mark some of these first of all before I do. By the way, let me just say this. Thank you all for being here. We've been running a million miles an hour. And so thank you all for being here. I don't know what to say. If you're against speaking in tongues, is it because you fear the gift or because you don't know the gift? Well, for me, I would say I spoke in tongues. I was four tongues before I was against it. I spoke in tongues before. And as he was asking the question, I was doing these things mysteriously. And oh, by the way, we're going to see Paul make this case. I was doing things in a mysterious fashion as a follower of Christ and had no idea what I was saying. It was a mystery to me. What did you say, Corey, when you spoke in tongues? Uh-huh. I don't know. What did you say? I don't know. I'll never forget I asked the pastor, Bishop, so I won't say who it was. But I said, Bishop, why is it that sometimes you're going from English and then you go to tongues and back to English? Why is that? I don't know. The spirit takes over. Well, what did you say then? If the spirit takes over, what did you say? I don't know. My thought was, I didn't say at the time, because I didn't want to be disrespectful, but should you know? Should you know when you speak in tongues what it is that you're saying? Again, again, if we don't see, if what Paul, if what Peter did not do in first, I mean in Acts 2, wasn't him giving interpretation, explaining, because by the way, we're going to look at this up in a second, that because he said that that's not what, what interpretation means. It absolutely does mean that. It absolutely does mean just what I said. But if it doesn't, if that was not an example of Peter, actually giving interpretation, well now we've got a spiritual gift that we have no example of in the Bible, not one example. At least with tongues, we've got an example. At least with healing, at least with every other gift, we have an example of it being used, but we don't have an example of interpretation. So now that being the case, let me go ahead and answer some of these questions. We'll mark a few more. And by the way, guys, as always, there's no way I'm getting all your questions. I'll try to kind of group them together. Let me, let me take a question that, that makes me feel good about me. Sis Core, you clearly won the debate. Do you think you would have won by a landslide if Dr. B. would let, what I wanted to do, and we didn't have time because when he told me was, was what I wanted to do was this, lay out my, my point and then ask him, is there a passage that nullifies what I said? Not up, you believe that, obviously that, but is there a passage that nullifies it? I think so. And we'll get into the passes again, because what he brought up this issue of, when we got to first chapter 14 verse 13, 14 and 15, I don't think that they actually look at this passage the right way, because there's something in the passage that's like, wait a second, are you not paying attention to what it said, not in personally with people when they say so. But anyway, let's, let's go ahead and move down and answer some questions. Okay. Remember guys, going forward, make sure you put a big, giant question in front of it, so I can see. I've got 27 marked already, I'm not going to be able to, David said, David A. says, can you describe your past experience with speaking in tongues and why did it change? My past experience was this, I would, I would speak in tongues. I felt good. I felt blessed. I felt like I had done something really spiritual, like everybody. And it goes along with what Paul was saying. I was edifying who, not them, couldn't have been anyone else because they didn't know what I was saying, but I was edifying me. I felt good. And I didn't mean, I didn't do it to feel good about myself. I did because that's what we're supposed to do. In this Pentecostal Charismatic Church, this is what we do. I'm feeling good. And I want to just like, just like when you go, by the way, it is, it is an absolute fact. Just like when you go to a football game or basketball game, your team does something and you do something in response because of the euphoria that you've, that you're overcome with that you otherwise would not do. The same chemical and emotional experience happens when a person speaks in tongue who is a legitimate Christian. They will feel this euphoria that comes over them and they're like, man. And so what do you do? Robo shout out about my, all of that. It comes out. I got it because the issue is why do you all say and sound the same way? You say the same thing sound even when you look at Muslims or Hindus who speak in tongues. I should have pulled the video up of these Hindus, or the Hindus are Muslim. Speaking, I think they're Muslim, speaking in tongues. If I didn't tell you they were Muslims, you would know. You were thought these are Christians riding around just speaking in tongues, but they weren't. They're giving praise to Allah. They're calling them God, but they're speaking about their God. How can that be? And that was the issue for me and what caused me to change was not because I wanted to. I just, I wanted to be a person. If I'm going to look at the scripture, I wanted to back it up with scripture. I could not find the scripture. You all tell me, somebody quickly who disagrees with me, find the scripture that backs up what we see in churches today. I'll wait. Find the scripture that backs up the tongues that we see today. Now someone's going to say, well, 1 Corinthians 14, 2. Okay, even if that is, even if 1 Corinthians, by the way, it's not, but even if that is what it's, what it's saying, that this unknown tongues is edifying yourself. What does Paul tell them to do? Instead of edifying yourself, edify the body. So we don't have a scripture that gives an example of what we see in our churches today. Matter of fact, Paul rebukes that. Am I saying that my tongues were real or fake? My tongues was as real as yours or anyone else's. Crying, everyone else is crying and just feeling, and I love the Lord at the time and so forth. So what differentiates my tongues from your tongues? They sound the same. The same love of God is behind it. What differentiates that? So that's my, so what we can't do is come back and say, well, I'm going to take my experience or anyone else's experience and use it to trump yours or your lack thereof, but know what trumps my experience, your experience, and anyone else's experience is the Word of God, the Bible. When you spoke in tongues in the past, did you force it or would you? Sometimes I was trying to force because, hey, that's what we're doing. Sometimes it felt like it was natural, both of them, both of them. Same, but the same way, I would ask the same question is, everyone that speaks in tongues also agree, they tend to agree with being slain in the spirit. When was the last time you didn't force being slain in the spirit? Because I've never seen a person get slain in the spirit by themselves. I've never seen that. And what's happening guys, and this is the problem with the Church of Dave, is that more and more people are basing what they feel and what they think off of their experiences. I just said that, Karen. What do you, I just said, it was contrived. I pushed it on some occasions, some because I'm thinking that's what we're supposed to do. But here what I'm saying, I'm also saying it wasn't faked all the time. It wasn't contrived. There were times where I legitimately felt it. There were times I said, you know what? I need to speak in tongues because that's what I'm supposed to do. There were other times where I did it and it felt natural, just came up. Again, a sense of euphoria can come over you. I don't think you all realize that you're human beings. That you are fragile, mentally and emotional. The same way you guys will go off on somebody and have no control, but it's emotional. It came up on its own. Same thing. Same thing, you can say something even in loving fashion. It just came up. I would say church history is a good example, a good way to argue it, but it's still not biblical because what would happen is we didn't see a lot of it throughout churches. We'll see parts of it jump up and then quickly put down. It didn't last. Now we see this explosion of it happening now. And my question is, why is it happening now? What happened to the previous 2000 years? What did the gates of hell actually prevail against the church? Because we didn't see it for that long. And again, if it's a good thing to do, why doesn't the Bible say we all should speak in tongues? Why doesn't the Bible say we all should speak in tongues? It says not all do speak in tongues. And if it's for edification of yourself, that means that there's a large portion of the body that cannot be edified the way others are edified. That's a huge problem. As a matter of fact, I would say that's pretty much unbiblical. Is it speaking mysteries in his own spirit or the spirit? See, it depends. It depends on who you ask. There are, listen, there are some scholars and grammarians that say it is in his spirit. There are some that say it's in the spirit. Because the way that that is written, context would have to tell you and not even just context, because context doesn't even help you out. What helps you out here is your own belief. It's very likely that Paul could be saying, and so what you do when you have a passage like this, 1 Corinthians 14, when you have a passage like this, let's go to 1 Corinthians. Let me make this smaller, because I can't see. 1 Corinthians 14, 2. What's happening here? Oh, I see what's happening. Let me move this over just a little bit. All right, good. For the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. For the one who understands, for, I'm sorry, for no one understands. By the way, that's not a good thing to say for no one understands. In other words, he's saying why no one understands because he's only speaking, he's only God knows what he's saying. We don't. That's not the point of this. Paul just said that the gifts are for the benefit of the common good, for the edification of the common good, for all of us. But now you guys are doing it for yourself. He says verse two, I mean the latter portion of it says, but in his spirit, he speaks mysteries. So the question is, is it in his spirit or is it in the spirit? It varies, depending upon who you ask. So how you figure this out is, you apply both. If it is, now if it's in the spirit, I mean in his spirit, then game set match. If this literally says, now the NASB has it this way, if the NASB is correct, that it should be read in his spirit, well then that's game set match. That's just him doing on his own. And no one's getting any kind of glory for that, which makes sense why he says, only you are edified. But then some will say, no, it's in the spirit. Okay, fine. If it's in the spirit, we're still at a standstill because, again, when I, when I spoke in tongues or when I was slain in the spirit or whatever I did, we did it in the spirit or by the spirit. Well, everyone put it, I was a believer, but I'm doing it as I thought it was in the spirit. Now by the way, let's go back to chapter 12 because it's issue of it being in the spirit doesn't mean that, well, that must mean it was legitimate. No, because what does Paul say in chapter 12 verse one, he says, now concerning spiritual gifts or Numitikum, I do not want you to be unaware. You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. Therefore, I make known to you that no one speaking by the spirit of God says Jesus occurs. Well, what are they doing? What are they doing? They actually are saying that Jesus occurs. That's why he says it. And they think that they're doing it by the spirit. Now, as far as they're concerned, it is. But he's comparing to just similarly that you can't say that Jesus is Lord except by the spirit. So you're saying two things. You're doing two things. One you think is by the spirit. The other is one definitely is according to the spirit. Only by the spirit can you say that Jesus is Lord. But then you're also saying that Jesus is a cursed. How could that be? Now one of them by the spirit, which is the one that Jesus occurs. But you still feel like you're saved. As a matter of fact, you are Paul even goes on in 14 to say to them that because you're so zealous for these things, for the things of the Lord, for the spirit, that's why you're doing it. But I want you to be zealous for what? For the edification of the body. Are you with me? So that's Paul's point. I want you to be zealous for the edification of the body. Matter of fact, let's go to this. Staying in 12. What's happening here? What is Paul addressing? Now, he's talking about this issue of unity. Clearly, they're not unified. What's happening is as we read more, he says that there are some that desire better gifts. You think that this gift is more honorable and this gift is less honorable. Similarly, in the body, there are gifts that are more honorable. You think that are more honorable than others. There's no part of the body that is less honorable than the other. I am being, I'm going to say in type of 12. Similarly, now I can't do an exhaustive reading on it because we'll be here forever. But similarly, there's something that's happening here and Paul's rebuking it. Well, what is he rebuking? What are they doing? They are speaking something. They are literally speaking something. Therefore, I make it only you that no one speaking by the spirit says, like a soul alone and like a same word by the spirit of God says that Jesus occurs and no one says same word, a pain, which means to speak that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. So this is something that's coming out of their mouth. Somebody is saying something incorrectly. Now, so now what's interesting though is he pivots from there. He goes from me, not pivoting. It's in the same sense. He goes from there. He goes on to say, now there are varieties of gifts, but the same spirit. And there are varieties of ministry, the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. And then look what he says. Let's not miss this point right here. He says, but to each one, that's y'all, all of us, each of us is given the manifestation, the revealing of the spirit. For what? Why? For the common good. Let's stop there. Here's a fact. Write it down. Get a tattoo. You want a tattoo? Get a tattoo there. Tattoo it on your neck. That each one is given the manifestation of the spirit. Why? For everybody else, for all y'all. Okay. Wait a second. I hear what you're saying. Ron, Ron says that it made sense to me when Dr. Brown said that we must build ourselves up in order to be better used, better used for others. It makes sense, but it just doesn't make biblical sense. Why? Because there's no Bible for it. There's no Bible that says that. When we go to, he brought up a Jew 20. Jew 20, the way he said it. I would disagree with that. Why? Here's why. When we go to Jew 20, Jew 20 is not telling, uh-oh, I went the other way. I made this, Jew 20 is not telling you to edify yourself. It's not. Let's go there. He says, and Jew 20 says, but you, beloved, well, what's to you? Y'all, but all y'all, beloved, building yourselves up. Y'all, building yourselves up. This is the plural. So all of you all building, and what's the use of yourselves up? All of y'all. So all, so y'all building up y'all. That makes, that is biblically consistent, meaning, and I know I said it kind of in a funny way, but biblically, we are supposed to build each other up, build others up, not build yourself up. So the way this works, Ron, is that you are to build me up. I'm to build you up. Are you with me? Cindy is to build me up. Young man 921. No, I do not. Thank you for switching, by the way. I do not identify with any particular denomination. I'll jump one of that some other time, but no, I do not. But my job is to edify you. Your job is to edify me and others. That's our job. Tell me, is the problem in our world, I would think that the problem that we have in our world is that we edify ourselves a little too much. It's about numero uno. It's about me, me, myself, and I. That's a huge problem. We focus more on us, and I got to take care of me, get myself right. Well, that's why your kids are in jail. That's why your kids are in drugs. That's why your kids, you want to express your sexual, that's why your child, that's why your little daughter wants to be a man. That's why we focus too much on us. Same thing in the church. Everybody wants to be somebody. Everybody wants to be special. Everybody wants to be the man or the woman. But Paul says that you ought to consider yourself or esteem yourself other, I'm sorry, esteem others more highly than yourself. We never have a problem with looking out for ourselves. Never. Yeah, I probably should, Chess Champ. I probably should. Johnny, there you go. There you go. So why do we have this, what Johnny is putting up, do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride? Why we have that passage and other passages like that and then do a complete flip and say, but every now and then go ahead and edify yourself. I disagree on that. I got to throw a flag on a plate. Let's go over some passages to talk about edifying others. Peter, it's not just a Paul issue. This is a Peter issue. He's an apostle. Look what he says. He says in 1 Peter 410, he says, as each one has received a special gift, that is a spiritual gift, because it's the Greek word, carry smile, employ it how? In serving yourself. Is that what it says? Employ it in serving yourself. No, in serving one another. By the word, this word, a utose. Utose is the same word that's used in Jew 20 about building up others, one another, build up one another. That's the word. That's why even just in the Greek, it cannot stand. To say that we're supposed to build ourselves up in the most holy faith, and though build up one another, build up the other folks. The exact same word. And so he says, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. We're constantly told that we should build others up. We're never told. Never told to build up ourselves. And then someone please tell me why does praying in the spirit means praying in tongue? Again, it doesn't. Now, and I would say this also again. Of late though, I would say this, especially about Dr. Michael Brown, he has, he's one of the ones that is in that camp that he, we all would wish he would do it more. But that's not necessarily, you know, the cross that he's bearing, so to speak, that he would call out more of the foolishness that's over there. He does. He does, but he's also going to defend his view as well, which is fine. And then he's always willing to come on board. So that was, but now, before I go to 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 and go a little bit more in-depth. I've heard, he may have brought this up before in another video, but I also want to make sure that we also cover this so that we don't think that this is what it's saying either. Do not go to Romans 826 to say that this is also an example of speaking in tongues. Why? Well, look what it says. In the same way, the spirit also helps our weaknesses. For we do not know how to pray as we should, but the spirit himself intercedes for us. How? With groanings too deep for words. This part right here should help you out. Too deep for words. Now, the word that's used here is this Greek word. It is the Nagamoys, which is an inward sighing, meaning it's not verbalized. It's inward. It doesn't happen on the outside. You can't hear it. It's the spirit in you interceding on behalf of you to God. It's not an outward thing. We don't ever hear that. Yeah, but the problem is, oops, I didn't mean to do that. The problem is, the problem is, Christopher, is while he didn't say it's not just praying in tongues, he also said that it could be, he said before that it could be praying in tongues and it couldn't be in tongues. It is no way, there's just no way to make that passage in Romans 826 to be praying in tongues because it's not verbalized. It's too deep for words or Stannagamoys words that cannot be uttered. Are you with me? So it could, it could not be that. What about when it says in the Bible study to show yourself approved? Would that not be building ourselves up? Well, again, there is no spiritual gift that we would employ. God would give these spiritual giftings to help us to grow. Now reading, it's going to sound I when you say it, but think about it. It's not necessarily a spiritual gift, but it is a spiritual discipline. And does that grow? You sure. So does prayer, but those aren't part of the named spiritual gifts like tongues, which again always meant languages up until the last hundred something years. Tongues, healing, prophecy, those are for the benefit of others, which is why in chapter 13, tongues, knowledge, and prophecy are linked together because it's getting the understanding, the revelation of God to people. That's what grows us, right? That's what grows us. That's what grows the body. That's what even grows the potential body. Robert Tucker, thank you so much for the super chat. He says, what do you think of Charles Fox Parham? Interestingly enough, Charles Fox Parham would disagree with the tongues that we see today, because when he was pushing tongues, he thought it would be an actual language. And so his group would go over to, I forgot where they went to, and they spoke this language and the people there said, do you understand what he was saying? What they were saying? No, we don't know what nor that was not a language. And so he began to realize this isn't quite the same. And then it kind of got co-opted by people that weren't just started literally speaking gibberish, not my words, his words. No, I didn't say you said that, Christopher. I said that he has stated so in the past. I didn't say you said so, okay? And by the way, and by the way, by the way, Romans 826, they didn't even say that we're actually praying. It just says that we don't know how to pray, but the spirit is interceding for us. The spirit is interceding for us whether we're praying or not. When you study the word, that will help in building others in the word. It will, it will. None, spider monkey. That's it. That's it. And I don't speak Hebrew or Greek. I can read it. And sometimes I gotta, huh? What's that word? Let me make sure I have a valid understanding of that word. Just like sometimes I come across a word in English. And I had a guy just, he tried to, I guess, try to clown me or whatever because I didn't know what this word meant in Hebrew. So what did I do? I found the English word that he didn't know. So anyway, I want to go to something. In chapter 14. No, no, no, I can find it in 12. I can find it in 12. I want to look up something that I think I gotta disagree with. I think I gotta disagree with. And let's go to these gifts. Interpretate. There we go. All right. I told you guys before that this word, I said it on, when we were talking, he said that this word didn't mean that. The interpretation. I said it means to, to explain. And he said that's not what that word means. Well, let's put it on the screen. Here's the word, but to another, this is chapter 12, first written in chapter 12, verse 10. He says, and to another, the interpretation of tongues. So this word that's used for tongues, we also get it from the word. Harayma. Reima. So this is Haranea, which means to interpretation or it means look at the bottom left hand corner. Interpretation, explanation, translation. In other words, what did he say? There was a, I'm sorry, I got this thing on the screen. I didn't mean to have that on the screen. There was a, there was a cartoon. I forgot. I can't even remember what it was, but you had these two, these two Indians trying to mess with, and they were friends with, with the people in this fort. There was a cartoon. And one of them could not speak really well. He said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And they would say, what did he say? The chief at the post would say, what did he say? And his counterpart would say, him say, and then say it. Well, that's what interpretation is. Telling folks what it was that you just said. I think Paul did that. I think Paul did that. Now he disagrees. I say he did, but fine, if he didn't, well then we don't have, we don't have one example then of interpretation. But all that means is we need to give an understanding interpretation of what's being said. It has to be. Other people need to know what's happening. People who you are speaking to, people who are not being spoken to. You need to know what you're saying. And we'll cover that in a second. You, if you are speaking in tongues, if you're speaking, and we didn't get a chance to go over this part, but if you are speaking in tongues and you don't know what you're saying, well then Houston, America, world, we got a problem. We're going to look at that in a second. You need to know what you're saying, the person you're saying it to needs to know what you're saying, and they should because you're saying it in their language and then the people around them also need to know if there happens to be someone around, they should also get edification as well. Now what I want to do is let's go to chapter 13. We never got a chance to really go over this. I wish we would have, but there's a statement in chapter 13 that people take and run with this because I wanted to camp on this on something else that he said in chapter, I mean prior, prior in chapter 13, if I speak with the tongues of man and angel, now he has stated in the past that tongues of, so that tongues can be an angelic language or prayer language. Give me the passage where we have an angelic language. Give me the passage where we every see a person one speaking in an angelic language or someone or an angel speaking to somebody in a language other than what the person naturally understands. Let me answer this question. And I want you, and Nathaniel, I want you to think about the question. I want you to look at the question that you just asked and then let's just, in a godly, brotherly, sisterly way, let's work this out. And I say sisterly because there's women also who might want to have this question answered. How is this unifying the church? Does it really matter? Mike Todd talks on tongues and I thought it was okay. Okay. Here's how it's unifying and here's how it matters. First of all, it's in the Bible. Because it's in the Bible, do you think that the Lord doesn't think it matters? If he had the spirit to inspire man to write about it, well, sure it matters. It absolutely matters. What we speak of in the Bible, everything matters. How's it unified? Because the Bible says we ought to grow in the grace in the mouth of the Lord. Now, how we build others up by knowledge, we do so, by preaching the Word. Preach the Word. For the time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine. He says preach. He says reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering. And so, yeah, it absolutely matters. The reason why we see a large portion of the church in the situation that's in because we've decided that stuff that's in the Bible doesn't matter. We have decided that what's in the Bible doesn't matter as much as what people outside of the Bible experience. What you experience, what you feel, that's far more important. How can, as he says, how can you tell me where millions and millions of people are experienced? First of all, I would push back on the fact that it's millions and millions. I don't know that it's millions and millions. And if it's millions and millions and it's the spirit of God, why didn't it happen? Why is it not happening here? All of these miracles are supposedly happening here. All of this, this great, think about this for a second, guys. And they're correct that the greatest explosion in the Christian church is in the charismatic area. My question would be this. My question would be this, with such a great explosion, how come the more that charismatic or charismatic has grown, the more the church has devolved? I'm not saying that the charismatic movement has caused that, but what I am saying is that it has not helped the church to be sounding as doctrine. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying the church is no longer sound for the most part in its doctrine because experience trumps the word. And so, again, what is going to happen with this world is that everything that is sound is going to go by the wayside. Paul says so. The time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine. People are going to have itching ears. And so what is good will now be bad. What is bad will now be good. The trinity, there's no such thing. There's Jesus is not God. Okay, name some other things. And what we all, what we never saw before, those will be the doctrines that will be pushed up. I promise you at some point in time, maybe my lifetime, maybe not, I hope not. But at some point in time, it will be almost mainstream that Jesus really didn't die on the cross, but it's still a good story we can relate and learn from it. It's coming. It is coming. You said, I see that in Matthew 6-7 that Jesus taught us not to pray in Babel, the word, excuse me, but a lot of gayo meaning to Babel isn't that Jesus telling us, let's go. You know what, Flatbush? Let's go to Matthew 6-7. Or as they would say down here in the south, Matthews 6-7. Let's go. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. But does it necessarily mean that they are speaking gibberish for Babel? I don't know. Let's, you know what? Let's use my Hong Kong Book of Kung Fu and let's click and see what the, let's go to B-Dag and see what B-Dag says. Let's put this on the screen if I can find it. All right. Let's open her up. You know what? I'll tell you what I'm going to do, Flatbush. You all can't see all of this because I got this thing in the way, but I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I am going to do a word study on that and because it's seeming to imply both of those, it's seeming to say that it is kind of a babbling, kind of incessantly, just constantly going over, you know, just saying it over and over again. So I'm definitely going to look into that. I am definitely going to look into that because I first took it as just someone who's just rambling, just saying a bunch of words. I'm going to look into that. No, tongues isn't necessarily speaking our native language, but before we get to chapter 14, tongues is always a language. Matter of fact, even in 14, Paul references Isaiah 28-11. Look what he says in 2011. He says this. He says, indeed, he will speak to these people through stammering lips and a foreign tongue. That's an actual foreign language. And so when Paul brings this passage up, as he quotes this passage in 1 Corinthians 14, he's literally speaking about languages. And so when Paul is trying to force the word language in there, let's not say no, Paul, this could also mean something else that's not an actual human language. Wait a second. Let me move this thing. It's moving too fast. Hold on. What did you say? If I get this thing to stand still, have three give a prophecy. My grandson, three. It'd be better than some of the prophecies that we see nowadays. I'll tell you that. Let me go to chapter 12. I'm chapter 14. In the Greek. I want to look at something. What did you say? I agree. I agree. Sunshine May. Good point. And we'll try to get there. We'll try to get there. Let's go to how about we go to 1 Corinthians 14? Now, as we go to 1 Corinthians 14, I'll say this. Let's not go to 1 Corinthians 14 and forget. Well, you know what? Before we go there, let me ask you guys a question. Y'all tell me if I'm right or wrong in this. So by way of yes or no in the chats, if we go to 1 Corinthians 14, do you think we should remember and make that be the foundation, everything that we've heard before? So what we heard in chapter 13, 12 and prior, should we take everything that we've learned about tongues before we get to 14 and make that be the basis of our understanding? Or should we come up with a new definition? Yes, I think what we've learned before is what tongues is or no, meaning it can be something totally different. What do y'all think? You think that tongues when we get to 14, we should forget about everything that we've learned in the previous chapters and previous books? Or are the previous chapters and books adding and giving us clarity of what chapter 14 is talking about? Yeah, so when we get to 14, since no one prior to chapter 14 in 1 Corinthians has ever spoken a private prayer language, since no one prior to chapter 14 has ever spoken an angelic language, prior to chapter 14, every time that tongues were used, it was an actual known language. Should we at least take that and apply that as we're reading more in chapter 14? Shouldn't we? Because we just see him in 12 saying, I don't want you to be ignorant. Well, ignorant of what? Well, you're saying something ignorant. What are you saying ignorant of Lee? I had to take what it says in 12 that some of you are saying ignorant Lee unknowingly. Unknowingly, Jesus be accursed. Well, who would do that? Well, only someone who doesn't know what in the world is coming out of his mouth. But he thinks he's saying something right because he says it. It seems that he's saying those very same folks that are doing so are also saying that Jesus is Lord. How could that be? Because you're doing it ignorantly, unknowingly, according to what Paul said. All right, now, matter of fact, let me go back to 12. I want to show something before we move forward because I think it's vital that we see this. He says, now concerning spiritual gifts. Now concerning spiritual gifts. What does he say? I don't want you to be unaware. Look at this word right here, guys. Do you see the word on the screen? Unaware or ignorant? This word, look at the bottom left hand. Well, you didn't look at it. Just means unaware or ignorant, not knowing. But look at this word. It is the word, I know aim. It is I know aim comes from a group from the word no A or not a new host, which is mind or not knowing or not having the right mind, not understanding. Are you with me? That's what this just says. Remember this word as we go to chapter 14. He says pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. Now, I want you all to answer this question. When I was trying to get him to look at the Greek of chapter verse one and the Greek of verse five, I want you guys to ask yourself a question, see if this makes sense. No, Don, we didn't consider, we didn't go over Mark 16, 16, because that's a whole another day's worth of argument. So we just let that to the side. Because by the way, guys, the reason why I think acts is so important to forming our basis of tongues is the only place in the Bible where we actually hear someone speaking in tongues. It's the only place. If the longer any of Mark 16 is true, and 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 speak about tongues, they don't demonstrate tongues. No one in 1 Corinthians, do we have an example of someone in 1 Corinthians speaking in tongues? We hear them mentioning it, but we don't see it. Same thing in Mark, but in acts we actually see it. So the one time we get an example, shouldn't that be good enough to say, okay, well, this might be how the pattern, or how it's going to look going forward. If someone is going to claim that gift, and so that gift should look like that gift, I would think. It says pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. Here's my question. I'm saying that this is desire spiritual gifts in order that you may prophesy. He says desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. That reading would lead us to believe. That reading, especially that you may prophesy, you know how that, you know what that means? Pursue love, yet desire earnestly. First of all, if it says desire spiritual gifts, weren't we just told, we were literally just told by Paul not to desire spiritual gifts, because they are going to be given to us by the Holy Spirit as he wills. But desire earnestly spiritual gifts, Paul just went through in chapter 12, this whole issue about people wanting to seek the greater gifts, just like people want to be the more honorable parts of the body. Well, then that doesn't make sense if you're going to turn around and tell us to go ahead and desire that gift of prophecy. Does that make sense? If Paul has just told us, don't go out looking for the best gift, the right gift. Well, then that doesn't make sense for Paul to turn around and say, but disregard what I just said, and now go ahead and desire this particular spiritual gift. Does that make, well, now we have a, by the way guys, that is literally a contradiction. That's literally a contradiction. Well, I don't think Paul is giving us a contradiction. That's why the Greek makes sense. That's why he's saying, that's why he's saying, if you pursue love, by the way, if you pursue love, the reason why chapter 13 is in between 12 and 14, not because of the numerically, but what he's saying. Love is how all of these gifts are to be used. Love does not focus on itself, it focus on others. And so pursue love and desire. So desire earnestly spiritual gifts or numitika in order that you prophesy. Well, what's the word prophecy? In this case, he's not speaking of the spiritual gift prophecy, he's speaking of the point of it, meaning that you will bring a revelation. Desire these spiritual gifts in order that you may bring a revelation. That's what the word prophetuete means. It means to prophesy, but the word prophesy means to give a revelation, to tell, to inform a revelation of God. So desire these gifts in order that you may inform or give a revelation of God. Are you with me? That makes sense and does not contradict what Paul said in chapter 12. But if we're going to take it that it means especially that you may prophesy as a gift, well, now we've got a problem. Verse two, for no one, because this is piggybacking off of chapter verse one, for no one speaking in a tongue, I'm sorry, for the one that speaks in a tongue, and this is a singular tongue, as compared to the plural tongue, for the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. For no one understands him, but in his spirit or in the spirit, either we got to figure out which one it is, in the spirit or in his spirit, he speaks mysteries. But he was making a point that mysteries is a good thing. Why are mysteries a good thing? Why are end of itself, why are mysteries a good thing? It's not. It just means we don't know what, we don't know this. It's a secret. We don't know what's happening. I don't think Paul said, you know what, I want you to speak stuff secretly. You don't know it, no one knows it, just God. What's the benefit of it? How do tongues edify me if I don't know what the heck I'm saying? Now, reading the Word of God, that edifies me. Praying in English edifies, that builds me up, that encourages my soul. Now, it's not a spiritual gift, which is fine. Reading is not a spiritual gift. We were reading before we got saved, some of you guys. Praying, communicating we got. Same thing, it's not a spiritual gift. But if you do it, it brings you closer to God. Nobody says though, but the one who is, and this is the one who's bringing prophecy, revelation, the one who's bringing revelation, informing what does he do? Speaks to men for edification. Isn't that what Paul said we should be doing? And notice how many times this word edification, I said it comes up in verse 3, verse 4, verse 5, 6, 12, 17, 26 of this very chapter alone, also in chapter 12, also in 1 Peter, also in Ephesians. So the Bible is constantly telling us to build up others. And in doing so, we bring edification, exhortation, consolation. Which one do you think is best for the body? Which one is best for the body? Edifying yourself or edifying others? Verse 4, the one who speaks in a lallon, glowside, the one who's speaking in aces, and this is a singular tongue edifies himself. He builds up himself. Yay, bravo, amen, you've built up yourself. That is all we're supposed to do though. Find the scripture for that. But contrast, again, we've come as before, if I say some good stuff, and after I say the good stuff, I bring up, but that but is not going to be saying the same good stuff. Now I'm bringing back something negative. But the one who prophesies, he edifies the church. Isn't that what we're supposed to do? Now I wish that you all, here it is again, now I wish that you all spoke in tongues but even more that you would prophesy. And I say though, again, he's saying I wish you spoke in these languages in order that you would bring a revelation. No, no, he wasn't saying that it was evidence of conversion. He doesn't believe that. He doesn't believe that when a person is saying that they have to speak in tongues. He doesn't believe that. Now I want to drop down and show you something. But matter of fact, let's start in verse six. We know there's a problem happening here. We know there's a problem that's happening and Paul is addressing this problem. Ben says prophesy, Cory, I am. I'm giving a revelation of God. I'm blessed. I'm prophesying right now, opening the word of God, giving a revelation. Is that not a revelation? So he says in verse six, now brother, but now brother, tell me is he is he trying to solve a problem? Tell me, do you think Paul is trying to solve a problem? He says, brother, if I come to you speaking in tongues and languages, what will I profit you? So we should be profited by you speaking in these languages. Yes, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation, which what we're talking about by revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching. In other words, all he just said what it will profit you if you have no idea, if you have any understanding of what I'm saying. There needs to be some understanding of what I'm saying, or otherwise you're not being profited. Look what he says. Verse seven, yet even lifeless things, even lifeless things, either the flute or the harp in producing a sound if they do not produce a distinction. In other words, some understanding of what's being if I play jingle bells, if I play happy birthday, if I play amazing grace on the piano, because of the distinction of the note, the order of it, you all know what I'm saying. You all know what I'm saying. And no, Paul is not bragging about speaking in tongues. He's saying that I speak in these languages. You guys are trying your best to speak in these languages in front of people. He says, I'd rather you speak so that people can understand you. You come together, speak so folks can understand you. He says, but yet even these lifeless things they produce a sound if they do not produce a distinction in the tone, how will it be known? How will it be known? How will it be known? What is played on the flute? Or the harp? In other words, we should know what's being played. Similarly, he's going to say the same thing, for if the bugle produces an interesting sound, who will prepare himself for battle? Look what he says. So you also, so you also, unless you utter by the tongue, which is now he's a member, speech that is clear. Now Paul is saying, unless so, if you don't say something that's clear that folks know, how will it be known? What is spoken? You think Paul wants us to know what is being spoken? I think he does, for you will be speaking into the air. I wanted to ask him this question. Do you think that that is a compliment? If I came, let me just, let me just use DT, DT Richardson. If I say to you, you ain't saying, listen to all you do and just speak in the air. No one knows what you do. You just speak in the air. That would be an insult. And it should be. Paul is actually shooting a jab at him. There are perhaps, look what he says now. He says, there are perhaps a great many kinds of languages phonone in the world and no kind is without meaning. What is the context that Paul is talking about? Understanding what people are saying. That's the context. He says, if then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one a barbarian. I have no idea what they're saying. I will be to the one a barbarian. Uh oh. So also, look what he says. And this is why I say that you can be, you can be a God loving person. You can have the spirit and still make a mistake in this. Paul says, so also you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts. Okay. Since you are spirits, zealous for the new antique of these folks, I really am zealous for what the spirit has. I am zealous for what the spirit has. He says, since you are zealous for the spiritual things, look what he says. Seek to abound for the edification of the church. Why would he say seek to abound for the edification of the church if it's okay to seek to abound for the edification of yourself? Because it's not. Again, we don't have any of the passages that tell us to edify yourself. And this is the past. This is where I want to camp on. Therefore, let the one who speaks in a tongue pray that he interprets. So the guy that is speaking in a language or tongue, fine. He says, pray that he may interpret. In other words, have understanding. Have it excellent. Let it be explained to him that he knows what he's saying. That person should know what he's saying. He says, pray for that. He says, for if I pray in a tongue, notice this. If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What's this word used for fruitful? It is a carposs, which is we ought to have some fruit. We ought to have some results. But for if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind, and what's the word for mind? This word is a noose, which is to know what was the word that we saw that Paul said that you are ignorant of in 1 Corinthians 12, one through four. I don't want you to be ignorant. That word, that's the very same word, I know ain't. What is the outcome then? Paul is saying, well, what's the solution to this problem? What problem? The problem that he just posed in verse 14, if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. I don't want you to be unfruitful. What does he say? I don't want you to be unknowing. I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with my mind. My, no ain't, which is the same word for I know ain't. So what is Paul? Excuse me, what is Paul saying now? I want you to know what you're praying. Notice what he doesn't bring over in verse 14 that he has, I mean verse 15 that he had in verse 14. In verse 14, he says, if I pray in a tongue, but then in verse 15, he doesn't talk about praying in a tongue. Instead of praying in a tongue, and your spirit prays, because you are into it, you are filling it, you earnestly are desiring these things, but you have no idea what you're saying. Paul says the solution then is to pray with your spirit, pray in the spirit, pray with the spirit, and pray with the mind also that you'll have understanding. Are you seeing that? Pray that you'll have understanding. He says, go down to verse 16, otherwise if you bless in the spirit, only how will the one who feels the place of the ungifted say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you're saying. So the person who doesn't know, who doesn't have that gift, that person can't say amen. Houston, church, we got a problem. In other words, I can't get down with what you're saying because I have no idea what you're saying. Matter of fact, you don't even know what you're saying. Verse 17, for you are giving things well enough, but the other person is not, oh, there it is, not edified. I thank God that I speak in, I say this word is languages because it's always meant languages, more than all of you. However, in the gathering, in the church, I desire to speak five words, excuse me, with my mind, so that I may instruct others also rather than 10,000 words in a tongue. Paul is saying, now by the way, if you're speaking in tongues, where are you supposed to be speaking in tongues the way I see it? Outside of the church to unbelievers. Sharing the gospel. But you guys are doing it inside the church, number one. Number two, no one understands what you're saying. Nobody has a clue as to what in the world you are saying. You just, as Paul literally just said, you are speaking into the air. So what happens when tongues cease? One of my favorite YouTube personalities would say, Ms. Dinah Reviews, she says, so what happens when tongues cease? How will those who are closer to God stay close to Him? Excellent question. They wouldn't be able to, would they? According to their own proclamation, that it means they are closer to Him. Yeah. If tongues bring you closer to Him, first of all, how come the Bible didn't say it? How come if tongues were so great? And they are. Actual tongues. And if, and I mean the tongues that they're talking about though, if they're so great and they bring us closer to God, how come after Acts, matter of fact, after 1 Corinthians verse chapter 14, we don't see tongues brought up again. No one ever brings up tongues again. Why is that? They're so necessary and they bring us closer to Him. They're a necessary and vital part of our walk, our walk, so much so that nobody brings it up again. It's just loud in its absence. I'm not, okay, sunshine. I'm trying to, okay, let's go back to, let me see what you said. Let me go back to that sunshine, man. No, let's move it up. You're saying it does not, it says, it says no man. Yeah, it does not say, it does not say no man in the word. It's clear Paul is referring to no man in church. Okay, that's what you're saying. That's what you're saying. That's what you're saying. And I agree, by the way. I agree. And that's the issue. That, that's, if what I do is for me, then what do I need you guys for? What in the world do I need? The rest of you just, you guys are in the way. I don't need you. All I got, all I need is me, my Bible and my tongues. So I don't, I don't need you people. And you don't need me. You don't need, you don't need anybody else. All you need is your own tongues to build yourself up. Paul goes through these great links to tell us that we do need each other. We're part of the body. And so if we're part of them, see this is the problem that we have. We detach ourselves from other passages as though these passages don't mean anything. We're told that Jesus makes us pray. I pray that they'd be one like we are one. We're so, we are so much one. We are so much part of the same body. But I'm only going to edify myself. The rest of y'all get it how you get it. I'm going to edify myself, me, myself and I. Get it on your own. Get it on your own. These are the comments that I love though. These are, Corey, you need to believe the word. What am I not believing? I'm literally reading the word. You might need to read the word. I think I am. Tell me what I'm missing. Tell me what I'm missing. Don't, don't. Again, guys, this isn't the other channels that you might frequent. This is the channel where I want you to give your explanation. By the way, can I just say this? All right. Well, listen, see, this is what I'm talking about. Corey, you lost the debate and you handle the text like a cultist piece. All right. How do I, how do I take that then? How do I take that? And I try to give you, I listen, I don't know how to take that. I don't know how to take that. I guess I could just type back and say something mean and nasty too, huh? I could type back, I won the debate and only, and only a cultist wouldn't get it. Only someone who has it. Why would I do that? Why not? Why not just use, why not just use your big words? Use your words properly. That's all. That's the other thing though, Jeff. What I, what I never hear is, since by the way, tongues require translation, we never got to, if you all could see my notes, since tongues require translation, 99.9% of the time that we see tongues, no one, no one is doing correctly there because they're not using translation. My last comment, hold on, let me go there. Let me see it. Let me see. Uh-oh. What I just, I'm not following you. You said, Corey, you are proving it as you speak. A person can edify himself and not under, okay, listen. Let me, I want you all to hear me. There is not one spiritual gift. By the way, there's not one example of a spiritual gift in the Bible used to edify ourselves. Reading is not a spiritual gift. Praying is not a spiritual gift. Do they bring us closer together? Do they build us up in terms of the way you all are saying? Yeah, sure. They grow us. It does. It's not a spiritual gift though. It's a spiritual discipline, but not a, not a gifting of the spirit. Meaning the spirit is working in us to benefit others. That's, that's what we see this. Every time we see this, the spirit moving people throughout the Bible, whether old or new, we see it doing so for the benefit of others. We see the spirit moving to benefit others and then us selfish, and I do mean absolutely ridiculously selfish Westerners. We want to say no, it's for me. It's to build me up. Okay. We guys, is there any wonder why, why our love for one another is also waning? Because it's about me. Somebody said, Dinah, if Dinah is delivering the smackdown, you got it coming. This is, she is a peaceful forest creature. And I say forest creature, like they say in Bami or whatever, you know, just, and if she's giving the smackdown, something wrong with you. If she has to, if she has to warn you, I think so too, Stevie. I think so too, because, because one of the things that people keep bringing up is, others experiences. I don't care. I don't listen. I wouldn't care if everybody on the planet had that exact same experience. If it's not in the text, then fine. I'm sorry. Okay. You said, what's for common good? What's for common good is what you're forcing on the building of the church. No, listen. Paul literally says that concerning these spiritual gifts, spiritual gifts, spiritual gifts, all of these spiritual gifts, tongues included, are for the common good. And then we rattled off a bunch of other passages. 1 Corinthians 14, verses three, verses four, verses five, verses six, verses 12, verses 17, verses 26, and even others in 1 Corinthians chapter 14, just alone, 1 Corinthians 12, 7, 1 Peter 4, 10, Ephesians 4, for the benefit of others. And then go back and look throughout the Bible from Genesis on. When we look at the move of the Spirit, it's always been for the benefit of others also. So, now we have to do a complete turn and say, yeah, no, not anymore. Not anymore. Why? Because it's 2023 and I feel like getting it in on myself. I feel like living my best life. No. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. And I'll leave that for this one. When he says it's for the benefit of the common good, he's speaking of the common good. When we're talking about edifying the body, he's talking about edifying the body, the common good that built up the entire body. It's the same thing. You didn't use exact same word but it's the same thing. But you don't have to worry about that because he literally uses that building up others in chapter 14. Okay. Can I, let me just pull back a little bit and just look at the comment. Look at the comment. Cory, you bring up experiences. Should we not hear your testimony of salvation? I'm not saved by my experience though. I'm just telling what happened in the course of my salvation. Matter of fact, after my salvation. But my experiences don't prove I've never used my experience to prove a spiritual gift or to prove the text. I have no idea why you brought that up. I really don't. Should we not hear? You can hear my testimony, but my testimony is not proof over the text. Y'all, you do see that, right? My testimony is not proof over the text. All right, Dutch, I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. You all are getting, listen, you all are getting pushy about me answering your questions. You guys are getting pushy about me answering your questions. I can't answer all these questions, but because it's you, Dutch. Hold on. Cameron says, how come we never mentioned the tongue of fire and the sound of a mighty wind? Wouldn't that always accompany? No, no, because one, he's giving he's given a metaphor. When he says, it appeared to them as tongues of fire. If we go back to, and I didn't want to get on him for that, but let's go back to this passage. Let's go back to this passage. I need to shrink this. This is, this like I've got fourth grade words that I got the words on my screen this big. You all can't see that this big, but it's literally my face and like each word, each letter is this big. So let's go to it. In chapter two, verse three, and there appeared to them tongues as of fire. This word right here, Hose's like as. Let me ask you guys a question. In English, if I use the word like as, what am I saying? I'm not saying it was literally tongues that were, that were fire on their tongues. They didn't literally have fire on their tongues, but it's like, it's as. I'm using a figure of speech. Like when John says, I saw this and it was like, in Revelation, he's trying to explain what words can't do justice in doing. And so here, when he made the statement that, well, we don't see that happening nowadays tongues of fire, we can't say that because it's a metaphor. When I use the word like or as, that's what, and so he was wrong in just to use it that way. Like or as is how we just kind of use a metaphor. Okay. Wouldn't that always accompany similar experiences in the world? No, because he says it's like that. And so if I say, like Daniel, it's like, like fire shoving my bone. When we say it's like fire, there's not literally fire in my bones. What I'm saying is the passion, the fervent, the energy associated with that. And so if I've got this language, it's in me or this fire that's in me to spread the gospel. It's like fire in me. I'm not saying literally, but it's saying how explosive this was. It's just the power of how they felt it. Remember Luke is writing because he's getting the knowledge, the information from one of the apostles who's telling us, this is what it was like. Luke didn't see it, but the apostle told him, this is what it was like. Are you with me? So no, we shouldn't expect to have or use the exact same analogy or the exact same metaphor. But if a person speaks in an actual legitimate language, or if a person actually gives the gospel. And I said, man, it was, or I'm saying this guy was preaching. This guy's preaching was, how do you guys say it all the time? Was fire. You guys use fire mode all the time. We don't mean that it's necessarily fire, but we're literally saying the same thing that the writer of Luke is saying. Just using the metaphor. Now I've got to go to Dutch because Dutchman says, will you please, doggonecory, would you please, for Pete's sake, for the love of God, would you answer? No, he didn't say it like that. First of all, I'm never answering your question again, but he said it. We're about to draft all defense of line player Dutch. But let me go see what you just asked. Can you please tell me where it says, all them people understood Peter preaching cause he spoke Greek and Aramaic when clear the types of people listed. Don't speak either language. Okay. So what happens is when Peter gets up to speak in chapter two, as he's speaking, the people hear him hear that. There's like, what is this commotion? So there's a commotion because they're speaking a language to other people in different languages. And they say, we're hearing them speaking Meads and Parthians and so forth. So they're speaking in different languages. And these mockers come and up. People come and they say, well, we don't know what's going on. And Peter says, they're not drunk. This is what's happened. This is what's happened. Like Joel said was going to happen, that a spirit being poured out and people will prophesy. Well, when he says they're going to prophesy or proclaim or to preach or to inform or to give a revelation, what do they think he meant? That they are literally giving a revelation. And so what does Peter do? I say, I think that Peter is doing the next gift that accompanies it. And that is the gift of interpretation. That is him interpreting what was just said. And Peter literally gives the Gospel after that. Does he not? Let me help you out. If you give an experience of speaking in tongues and your experience is not found in the Bible, then you didn't give an experience of speaking in tongues. You gave an experience of what you thought was tongues. That's my point. If I'm to take what you say is true, should I not be able to go and find it in the Bible? If a person were to say, the Lord was on me and I began to prophesy. And I'm talking about telling the future. And the prophecy was vague. And even the part that wasn't as vague didn't come to pass. It was false. But that was my experience. But it doesn't line up with the scriptures. Does my experience mean anything? No, it means I lied. I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying back up what you're saying. Back up what you're saying with the scriptures. You got the same Bible I have. So let's use the scriptures. I'm sorry. Listen, guys, call me wrong. Call me bad. Call me mean. Call me whatever. I am not taking your experience. I'm not taking your word for it. I'm not. I'm not going to take your word for it. You don't have to take mine. Now, my testimony was about what happened to me. But what happened to me is not germane to your salvation. My testimony is just me giving the testimony of what happened to me. I didn't say the Bible said I have to do it this way because those are two different things. It's a bad analogy. My testimony is if it was my testimony, what happened to me when I went to the store? If it's my testimony, what happened in prison? If it's my testimony when I came to Christ in college? If it's my testimony, what happened to me growing up? That's just my testimony. I'm using it that someone can glean and see how the Lord works or whatever. But guess what? I can give a testimony and have the Lord bless me with this girlfriend. Oh man, the Lord blessed me with this woman to come into my life. And someone says, wait a second, Corey, aren't you married? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am. But the Lord blessed me with her too. It's a testimony that doesn't line up with scripture. God did, even though I said God did, clearly it didn't because that goes contrary to scripture. So my point is if you're going to say that these tongues happen and they seem to go contrary to scripture, which way should I lean? Should I lean on you having given me something accurate or inaccurate? I'm going to go with inaccurate because it doesn't line up with scripture. That's the point. By the way, God, I know some people that said that too. What's the guy's name? Is it Clarence MacLendon? Yeah, Clarence MacLendon. His testimony is that the Lord brought him a wife. That's his testimony. The problem is the wife that he brought him didn't go hand in hand with the wife that he already had at the time that the Lord brought her to him. God didn't do that. You lying. You lying on the Lord. You are lying on the Lord. The Lord blessed me with this woman here. You're married. The dude was literally married. Matter of fact, he blessed me so much that we got these kids coming. That's how much the Lord blessed our relationship. All right. Tell that story to somebody in hell. That's where to go over well at. That's exactly where it will go over well at. So anyway, lovely people. That's a good question. Do I believe that sometimes that do you believe or not believe that believers sometimes dance under the power of the Holy Spirit? I believe you can dance under the power of the Holy Spirit. I do. I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem now, because of what you're doing now. Do I think that folks in church take off running to go dancing and fall on themselves or whatever that was the power of the Holy Spirit? No, because you hurt yourself. Now you ought to do and you do things decently and in order. They're self-control. They're self-control. World outreach ministry, you are just simply not paying attention to anything that's it. You're not paying, but which is fine. That's fine. Yeah, Cherry, Cherry. David, David did. And he said, matter of fact, you didn't like that. Check me later. Watch how I do it next time. I'll do it even more indignified in this way. Now, this wasn't in a church service. And so we're not going to do things disorderly or to break it. Matter of fact, if a person starts speaking in English, I'm preaching and you over in the side and you're speaking in English and it's disrupting, you got to stop. You're out of order. Paul makes a statement in 1 Corinthians 14. He says, how come? Matter of fact, how about we go there? What if we actually went to the scriptures on this one? I want you all to see this. Paul makes a statement. He says, verse 26, what is the outcome? Still speaking about tongues and so forth. He says, what is the outcome, brother? When, in other words, how come when you assemble? When you come together, each one of you, you always have a song. You always have a teaching. You always have a revelation. You always have a tongue, always have a tongue. You always have interpretation. What does Paul say? Let all things be done for, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, Paul, Paul, you didn't say that. Paul did not just say, let all of this be done for edification. You mean tell me, Corey, after all of this stuff, we get to verse 26 and you're right. Yeah, what Paul's been trying to get you to see. Do everything decently in order, but it should be done for edification. Not yours for edification. You're a little old, silly little, every, every time we see song or tongue, it cannot be hoshaka ba-da-da-da-ba-ba-ba, nope, keep it, keep it. You always got interpretation. You always got a revelation. He said, let all things be done for, let all things, can I ask you guys a question? As we get ready to leave, as we get ready to leave, what does all mean in your language? You all speak English? I think I said that in English. What does all mean? What does all mean? Houston Dante, what's going on, brother? He says, in my early New York walk, well, first of all, there's your problem before we even get to, before we even get to what you're going to say. Why were you in New York? What are you, I messed with you. You couldn't help being born where you were born. You'd be like Dinah and get up out of there. I'm kidding, Dinah's going to say something next. I'm sorry, in my early New York walk, my broken spirit was attracted to the charismatic worship, speaking in tongues. Now I feel yah way through the side. Hey man, how many of you all the same way? You're quiet and you can, yeah. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you, send me your address. Give me a plane ticket. I'm coming there and five and I'll wake up early. I don't have an alarm clock, so I'm waking up four or five. I'm going to come stand beside your bed and go to speaking in tongues in your ear. I'm going to speak it in tongues in your ear. See what that does for you. This is my main man, Brother Geno. Y'all go check his channel out. There are times where I need you around, Geno. There are times of late folks that just think that, Cory, you're just not who you say you are. And I just, one day I'm going to get all my prison buddies from all the different prisons and let's just get together. Let's just talk. But how you doing, brother? He's trying to get you up to speaking in tongues. I spoke in tongues. And as I learned the scriptures, found out, I wouldn't say nothing. Wouldn't say anything. But what does the word all mean? Does anybody know what does give me the English definition for all? Can somebody help me? Because I want to make sure that we get this before we leave. Does anybody know what the word all means? A-L-L. No, not the Greek word for all. The English word for all. What does all mean in English? Hey, Renee, all means all. Nieland said all means some. Yeah, according to some people, what does all mean? Does not all mean all? I think all mean all y'all. Everything. Or someone says everything. Every each and every one. Yes, I see everyone. All the entirety. Thank you, Stephen Benjamin. D-P underscore O-N-P. That is a name for you. Says all y'all. Thank you, Sheila. Mona, whole quantity. Katrina, total. I did not write this Bible. I would love to be able to take credit for it, but I just wasn't there. I'm not that equipped. I'm not that holy. I was not chosen. So I'm just going off of the word that is used here. Let's put it back on the screen. Paul says, would you please, for the love of my Aunt Sally, please, let all things be done for it. There's this word. Orca domain, which is for the edification. Let all things be done for edification. Paul, we could have really just skipped everything that you just said in the first 20-something passages and just went to that, huh? So in summation, let all things, whether it be tongues, prophecy, whatever it is, let it be done for edification. But somebody's going to come back and say, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Sorry, Paul. I disagree. It shouldn't be done for edification. Paul says let all things be done, but no, not all, not what I'm doing it. It should be done for me. I submit, I don't care how long you've been in it, but I would submit that that is an immature and a selfish way of doing things. That's funny, Adam. He says, why is it never in an Oriental dialect like Ching Chong, yep. How come our tongues are, again, they're always the same. Our tongues sound like Westerners, either in Europe or the Americas speaking. Our tongues sound just alike. What's up with that? T-Man 619 says, I've never spoken in tongues, but I have joy. That can't, no, no, no, you don't. No, that's not real joy. Real joy only comes about by tongues. Okay. And by the way, what I wanted to use, because in he and I, in our discussion, now I don't know how well he is with Greek. I don't, but I assume that he knows his Greek probably better than I do. Yep, Mr. I did speak gibberish in ignorance. And so he would have, Dr. Brown would have the upper hand on me, but I don't think he had the upper hand on me today in the Greek because I'm, what does this Greek word mean? What does it mean? But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he had the upper hand on me in Greek and Hebrew. But what about the vast majority of Hebrew and Greek grammarians, Greek Hebrew and Greek scholars? They don't agree. They just don't agree. So anyway, guys, we are going to revisit this again. They're, I'm going to put out a kind of a lengthy teaching. No, I'm not a scholar. I'm not a scholar. Just the old man bald head. I adore what I can be with the Bible. Not a scholar though. No, I take it back. I take that back. Don't go on it. I take that back. Gosh, dogged and everything for the love of dogs. Yes, I am. I'm a scholar. You're a scholar. I'm a theologian. You're a theologian. Now, maybe not as qualified and as advanced as some other people, but I rebuked that in the name of Marcus Rogers. Yes, I'm a scholar. So are you. All that means is to study. We take a scholarly approach. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. And I fully expected dining for the entire chat to rise up and revolt and to rebuke you for that because these are smart. The world's greatest chat, by the way, the world's greatest YouTube family in the history of YouTube them. Not even close. Not even close. We are all scholars. We're all theologians. Now, we're not all the best at it. This is heresy. We're not but we're growing. A scholar doesn't necessarily tell us what level we are. And so because it has a sound to say, I'm a scholar. Sounds arrogant. I'm a scholar. Not in that sense, but I'm studious. I'm studying this bad boy. I'm trying to get there. And the fact that we've got all these other scholars, that's a good part. We got us all in common. I can say, hey, guys, what do y'all think about this? You can say, hey, grow your thing about this. But in terms of, I know what you meant, though, Dinah, but in terms of us, all we got is a word. So when Paul, who was the preeminent preacher of the day to the Gentiles, goes to Maria and they say, wait a second, Paul, hold up. Hold up. Let's go check it. Okay, Paul, you're good. All right, continue. Just wanted to make sure that what you said wasn't some junk. Yeah, y'all to start rebuking people in the name of, you pick your favorite person that has bad doctors. In the name of Mike Tide, I rebuke you. I rebuke you in the name of all things TDJs. I mean, hey, amen. Thank you, Chao Young Cat. And thank you for Super Chat. By the way, thank the rest of you guys also for the super chats and stickers and so forth. But more than that, thank you guys for your presence, for being here. Thank you for, and can I just say this again? I must say the chess champ, are you there? Moderators, to all the moderators, again, the best set of moderators on the planet. If I took, if we took the moderators on this channel, broke them up in fours or four teams, or two teams or three teams. If we broke them up in, I think it's eight moderators, broke them up two over here, two over there, two over there. It would still be the four best moderators on YouTube. Sorry, best moderators. But have you guys noticed how absolutely of late, how absolutely pleasant, at least more pleasant in the last, I don't know, two, three weeks, the chats have been, the Marjones one. Thank you for Super Chat. They really have been a lot better. I thank you guys for that. You guys are awesome. You guys are wonderful. Could not do this without you guys. By the way, can I say this before we leave? Can I say this before you leave? I don't, how many of you guys have been at this channel? How long have you guys been on this channel? I have to ask this question and then we're going to leave. God, I hear you. I've got about four minutes before I have to go. How long have you guys been on this channel? How many, has anyone been here since, I wouldn't say since day one, but maybe a year, it couldn't be three. I haven't been on here, have I been on three years? Wait a second. It's getting closer three years, but hadn't been, yeah, almost three. You hadn't been three years yet. Okay. We got a good channel, a good chat, but every now and then, heretics just pop up. Every now and then, the Byron's of the world just pop up. Almost a year. Does anybody remember before I had a moderator? I don't even remember. Who was the first moderator? Chess Chat, was it you? I'm not, who, I should look that. Is there a way to know who was the first moderator? Now, I should figure that out. Who was the first moderator? Okay, Chess Chat, were you the first? Okay, cool. What was it like before I had a moderator? I'm just, I'm all over the place. I'm, didn't know. It is hard without a moderator. It really is. It really is. It really is. Nick was a dare. Thank you so much. I appreciate, I appreciate the Super Chat. I appreciate the kind words that you set with as well. Context, thank you as well for the Super Chat. But the moderators, you guys, and every now and then, I go back and look at the chats, not more the chats too, but also the videos, like, wow, things are different. Things, that ugly paint job, that, let's just be honest. Tell the truth, shame of devil. The little paint job that I had beside me, on the last setup, that was hideous. That was, that looked like somebody was speaking in tongues and threw up. That was, it was, I didn't like the color. It was a hot pink. It was a hot pink. I did not like it. I did not like it. But that's what I had to work with. You work with what you got. But I always go back. Yeah. Yeah, Robert, listen. Thank you, Robert. Henna is a, it's a, it's a, yeah. Henna clause means that something is dependent upon what was just been stated. So, but yeah, you're right. You're, you're, you're right. You're right. But what I always want to do is, because sometimes it's easy to kind of get caught up in the YouTube sphere. And I go back and look and see how things work. Okay, Cory, make sure you, by the way, two things hold me true. Well, three things. Obviously the word of God. But then also my wife, Cory, are you sure you should have, maybe this, maybe that, Cory. And she's not, hey, you bet. No, she's just like this. She's reminding me. Hey, Cory, listen. And then I can go back and see the people that are watching. I can't tell who's watching what, but I can tell the old one majority. I don't want a large portion of people who like watching the gossip stuff or like watching the back. Cause, cause YouTube will say your crowd, the majority of them are watching this or this or this. And so I want the majority of the crowd watching like teaching stuff or whatever. What'd you say? Where did I just saw it? I just saw it, Cory. Oh, you said you were in the, really? You were around in the 900s. Things have changed. I almost want to say I had hair back then, but I didn't. I did. Who did the paint job, Jeff? It was, it, this used to be my daughter's room. It was a girl's room. That's why it was a girl's room. I didn't say it looked like somebody threw it. It was, it was a hot pink. And it was, it was for girls. It was for girls. So you're here stoning now. Okay. He was in Dante. That makes sense. None. Okay. You got up out of New York. Praise God. God, God is, God is a deliverer. Won't, won't he do it? So you and Dinah and whoever else that left New York. Well, guys, I have got to run. I thank you all so much for your patience. I think for your love, I think for your support guys. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow. The, the live stream tomorrow is still iffy. It is iffy. But we'll have something for you tomorrow. Anyway, in the meantime, God bless you guys. Be blessed.