 So let's talk a little bit more about the benefits that that come with it and some of them can be monetary as well and they could be also investment related because a lot of people know that when you are buying property or you start an investment in property portfolio. So let's talk a little bit more about that and some of the benefits that come with owning in this one. Well I think first and foremost it's lifestyle in a secure environment and it gives you peace of mind. It's time very warm welcome to you and thank you so much for stopping by. This is the podcast where we talk everything and anything property. So buying investing selling and overall growing your property portfolio. If you are joining us on the Twitter spaces thank you so much for tuning in and hopefully you stay till the end of the conversation and for all our regulars thank you so much for always coming back and throwing those green hearts just to make sure that we feel your love. Thank you so much we really really appreciate it. Tonight's topic is something really classy and upmarket. Tonight we are talking super estates and super estate lifestyle and some of those estates that are coming up in the Johannesburg area and different parts of the country and as usual I am joined by an expert in the field. I'm talking to Darren de Oliveira who is founder and executive chairman at Northlands Group. Darren good evening and thank you so much for joining us. Hi to me nice to be here and thanks very much for inviting me. Thank you so much for taking our time tonight we are talking super estates and someone who's watching might be wondering what exactly are super estates how do they differ from an estate that I'm currently living in or in estates that the different estates that are in the market we've got lifestyle ones we've got the retirement ones and how is how unique is this one and what are some of the characteristics that you can identify them with? Well to me we we we're quite unique in the sense that we are in the cradle of humankind it is absolutely beautiful a piece of property it's over three million square meters of land which is twice the size of Monaco just to give you perspective of the size of the property and you've got rolling hills beautiful vistas the crocodile river running over three kilometers through the property we've got the established aviante hotel on the on the the estate we've got river stone lodge stones throw manner so there's accommodation that is all available for for people that are visiting the the area that that that can come stay with with family that perhaps couldn't help them to to to actually stay over with their own house so and at the same time giving you the facilities for for for weddings for 21st for for whatever going out for a dinner it's all on your doorstep so I think that's you know it's really been in the countryside and been affordable accommodation within the countryside that that differentiates us from other states sure definitely and let's talk a little bit more about the outline benefits of of of owning in an estate like this and you've mentioned such beautiful tourist attractions so you would legit feel like you are on holiday while you are living at home so let's talk a little bit more about the benefits that that come with it and some of them can be monetary as well and they could be also investment related because a lot of people know that when you are buying property or you you start an investment in property portfolio so let's talk a little bit more about that and some of the benefits that come with owning in this one well I think first and foremost it's lifestyle in a secure environment and it gives you peace of mind honestly I live I live within this state and you do not need to lock your door we have never had an incident in the eight years that I've lived there and I think that that is to me the most important that you have got peace of mind the the other amazing thing about where we live is that we in the the the the the cycling mecca of of Johannesburg I'm a keen cyclist I ride out of my front door and straight away I've got 30 kilometers of safe secured trails on our doorstep I've got the extended cradle of humankind with with hundreds and hundreds of cyclists enjoying it on Saturdays and Sundays you've got all the different restaurant and coffee shops along the way that you can stop and and enjoy and you don't have to put your bike in the car and drive 30 minutes from sentin and then and then go cycle you just climb on your bike and you are there same with runners you know it's it's a beautiful place to to go jogging we've got cradle moon on our doorstep with the lake heritage lake which is is a favorite for for swimmers that are doing tri athletes events we've got we've got so many facilities that are right on our doorstep hot air ballooning the the rhino and lion park you've got you've got such a wealth of facilities that that it's it's called the crocodile ramble and you actually live within the crocodile ramble so from an investment your second part of the question is from investment what I can say is that whoever buys into the estate now in its early stages we're only launching the second phase now a leisure den was the first phase of 115 stands and it took a long time to to get momentum and get sold out but now that we into the second phase and we in a more affordable market with the second phase the the the properties are going to go very quickly and I can assure you at the rates that we are selling for the lifestyle that you get in your investment is going to grow exponentially if you just have to compare to the likes of blaethyl or stained city the rates per square meter our properties are virtually half of our competitors so that that says a lot sure you know it says city living with country serenity and it's something that sounds very enticing and let's talk the different the different developments that you guys are coming with in the in the establishment or in the estate you know how how inclusive are they in terms of the starting prices and what is available the are they sectional titles or is they just land that one can can build in are they apartments how does it look in terms of the landscape well the landscape initially started with la jidine which were bigger stands a more affluent market and that that you've really got between three and and 10 million grand plus properties the second phase which we do now which is Verona which we've just launched we've actually realized the the need for smaller stands we've also realized that people like to live on their own property and and do prefer not being part of a sectional title so we we've gotten the the small stand within the secure estate and our stands are when we say small they're not that small they're from 600 square meters so it's still a sizeable yard and and then we've we are as momentum grows they're certainly the next step is the sectional title to get the price to to the two million rand mark entry level and that we will be launching before the end of the year and that will be called sand and auto and there we got two bedroom 139 square meter units we've got three bedroom 169 square meter units but they they they will have beautiful views they will they will still feel like they're in the country and you know honestly for for two million rand you you're getting the same lifestyle as somebody that is spending 30 million plus in in stained city you know yes you don't have a golf course but to to be honest we are going to be doing a driving range practice for facilities and if you want you climb in your car and you go to the golf course we got Kruger's Dorp up the road we've got Reimsuch within within 10 minutes which is my my home course and it's they they top top golf courses so I think you've really got everything that you could ask for right on your doorstep sure could you talk to us a little bit more about the related costs you know of living in a state like this because a lot of times people as as they are prospective or or going into the market don't really understand exactly how the the cost looks you know cost breakdowns and what exactly they'll be paying for and this becomes one of the biggest stumping block for them to actually even enter the market or prospectively enter the market so how do the costs look and what what exactly would someone should what exactly should someone prepare themselves for before going into the market right well let's take Verona for instance you're looking at around a million rand inclusive of all your transfer fees because we we pay that on on the the purchasers behalf and then once once they bought the stand they they then enter into a building contract with us we we offer a turnkey package where we do everything for you you choose your finishes we got some really really beautiful finishes hunts grow taps and and really really good good quality eight grade finishes and for that you're looking at eleven and a half thousand rand inclusive of it for the building package so you're looking you're looking completed around the fifteen sixteen thousand rand a square meter but then the the stands are big they from 600 square meters up and then the the cost the the monthly cost that people would have is obviously if you've taken a bond out you will have your bond cost which as we know prime is seven point seven five percent at the moment i know this talk of it going up but i've had from the banks first hand information it shouldn't go more than another month within the next eight another one percent within the next 18 months so we i don't think it's going to shoot up we're still in a very very very good rate climate compared to what we've had in the past and i don't think we'll ever go back to to what i saw when i started i started the avianta estate they're not the avianta estate the avianta hotel in 97 and shortly after we we built we went up to 24 and a half percent we're never going to get up there again so i would say for for people to to average around 10 percent and under they they're not they they shouldn't be uh be surprised have a surprise of it going higher than that so they do their calculation on the bond then the second thing that they need to do is pay the levy the levy is 2000 rand per month and that levy um covers all your external gardening of the the parks of the the pavement along the roads in front of your house so you only really have to do your backyard which is your gardening is is minimal it really is a 30 minute on a Saturday and that would be the sum total of it so you really don't need a gardener people can can do it themselves um then uh you and any other with that that within that 2000 rand levy that also um covers all the the common area uh the levy for the the clubhouse the the walks along the river um the communal facilities so it's actually really really affordable and the security most importantly because um if you don't live in a state um your your security is a is a big cost and all of that is obviously watered down a lot being in a state because you've suddenly got 200 people contributing to the the entrance gate and the the boundary so to the long and short of it is the bond uh the uh the the levy of 2000 your rates in taxes which um on a typical house there you're looking at about uh two to three thousand depending on the size of the house per month and uh then um electricity and water water costs uh one of the things that we we do in at avianto is we're going green it's always been our motto um our first house it was ever built there was um uh the it was was a reality tv show love and mortar and uh it it was emphasized on a green living so we're going with solar systems on all the houses um and the the beauty of the solar systems is people can either get a solar system where uh you you need to just agree to pay whatever eskimo rates are um to to uh to avianto energy and they will install the the solar system for you which means you've got backup power for the same rate as anybody else would be paying or we offer an outright purchase where you buy the system you pay uh 195 thousand including that and you've got a state of the art solar system and then your electricity bill is it can actually be zero because um i've got that exact system in my house and uh you don't you don't actually need uh to draw any power or for eskimo you can you can manage with the solar that that is generated during the day to to to run your your house at night so that's a huge saving and then the other thing is water the lastly is the water that you would um uh depending on the on your water consumption and what we encourage is water harvesting where you catch your rain water um and you we put it into a tank and you utilize that for your garden so your water water honestly at home i i i've got prepaid water i put a thousand rand in and it lost me pretty much for a minimum of two months minimum so i would say that's the total the total costs that you need for no definitely and i like the fact that it's becoming a lot more inclusive and a lot more versatile in terms of the different offerings that you guys are bringing to the estate that's make that is making it also accessible to a lot of young people and even prospective buyers and investors um i just want us to jump to a myth or and all those myths that exist around um living in superlife estates and what people believe um is is is true and is not you know one of those things um which you have already really knocked out the park with with some of your explanation is that people think that you pay exuberantly for for services that you would pay half the price in any other estate um what are some of those other things um in your years of development and in in your experience right now i'm putting this together that you have seen that is absolutely not true and that just requires someone to to to apply themselves and maybe even um show some interest for them to see that uh it's not the case well funny enough i almost fell into that that that mistake of going the golf course route because i think that is what's given the stigma to to estates um i don't i think a lot of people don't realize that to maintain a golf course is over 400 000 rand a month and that's that's a that's a low low cost um so you know if you start putting that applying that to levies it it really really hurts the the levy budget and it pushes it up so i think that's where estate living really uh sort of started was all the golf courses states that were were going up i i actually designed a golf course on avianto i had the whole thing mapped out and fortunately the bottom fell out of golf courses just before before i i launched um so i actually canned all that and i said you know what we're going for a lifestyle estate so where we have got the difference is that we don't have that uh levy of uh that that that needs to maintain an upmarket uh international standard golf course we allow the public to come in so that means that uh the the public facilities um are making money from the public as well the the restaurants are not getting carried by the levy they're actually totally independent in fact uh the the the clubhouse is run by avianto hotel and there is no there's no cost to the to the owners for that for that clubhouse because it's covered by avianto themselves um you've got the sporting facilities which are standalone independent we will have a state-of-the-art gym my fitness gym which will will be self-sufficient the same with the indoor swimming pool so the we we've we've been very careful um not to not to labor the owners with uh with levies um in fact i've actually built it in that during the development phase and our development phase will be to to finish over 2000 houses uh you know it could take another decade to finish that um hopefully it'll go a lot quicker so that i can retire but earlier but um uh you know the reality is in the the moi i've actually said that there will not be any special levies so people are buying in knowing they've got a fixed levy from day one and uh with uh with with a guaranteed no special levy so i as the developer am carrying the the initial cost you can imagine if the if you if you split the cost and the first person buys in the state they would have to cover the entire state's levy um which which would kill them so i i've actually made it really really transparent and easy for for people coming into this state if you just joined us we are almost at the tail end of our conversation tonight and we are speaking the benefits of living in a superlife estate and we are currently zooming into um the aviento um the aviento residential estate that is coming up with different um offerings that are going to be in the estates um um i'm joined by darin olivera and he's been talking to us about the different offerings that are going to be there in terms of the sectional titles the lands the the bigger houses the smaller houses some of them that are affordable the different gyms and all the beautiful amenities that really surround um this particular estate and i'm sure someone is sitting at home now darin and wondering when where do i go i want to get myself uh i want to get that stand i want to start building where do i go how do i find you guys and how do i start that process because um or i'm one of those people who's like where do i sign up because this definitely sounds like something up my alley and um i want to invest in so how does how does one get in touch with you and um starts that that investment journey well i think the the first thing to do is just to email marlin marlin at avientoestate.co.z we we've we've actually be launching our our website next week we we've uh independent one we've been running off aviento's website it is so at the moment you can just go on aviento.co.z but we we've actually decided we need a standalone aviento estate which will be live next week um so yeah definitely uh get hold of our main sales guy marlin um we've got a shop at cradle stone mall a dedicated shop at the entrance of woolworths um cradle stone mall is within three kilometers it's a great shopping center uh woolworths uh is is the the target market we uh the the clients for woolworths that we we're looking for and um we we we've got a great it looks like a unit it's really well well fitted out and uh you know pop in there you can get all the information that you want we do have a show house at verona um we've actually got two we've got the the top uh the biggest size that we're offering at verona which is 311 square meter house and the the the smallest that we're offering which is 168 square meter house so you can go have a look at the two different uh products and uh you're looking at the the the smallest one at two comma uh two comma seven nine million two uh two uh four point six million uh four completed house um and that's ready to go we give you the key and uh and and and the house is yours we will be uh launching the sectional title which will then bring the the entry level down to the two million uh mark uh towards the end of the year um so i think you know as you say sign up it's there that's i can assure you i live there and i absolutely love it in fact i can say i built a house to emigrate to capetown and i prefer joe book so i didn't even move into a completed house i actually decided i prefer life in k in johannesburg that's the honest truth i would definitely also prefer life in johannesburg if it's on that side of the country so definitely thank you so much for joining us tonight darin and really really appreciate such insightful information about um super estate living and specifically the avianto um offerings that are going to be coming up from now until the to the later part of this year thank you so much for joining us and have a great night thank you very much i appreciate it cheers we have reached the end of our episode tonight we were talking about super life estates i'm sure this if you're already looking um into getting into one of these this is definitely one of those things that you want it's like a mixture of of a of a lifestyle or and and um beautiful amenities that you one can can be accessing from the comfort of your own home i said i said earlier on in the show it's like you're on holiday while you are actually at home thank you so much for joining us for today's episode till we see you again tomorrow same time same place right here on the private property podcast have a great evening