 The broadcast is live according to the little thing that popped up on the screen. So I think that means we're good to go here Get things out of the way Barely made it here on time barely barely See that goes away. This goes away All this goes this way So we should be able to do whoops not that button that button And we can exit this yeah, I was last minute on everything today. Don't save. All right Welcome to Tom it being unprepared for a live show Thursday You know so close I was running on the edge to get here, but I had reasons I had things I was doing and stuff that was going on and everything else and So I didn't I wasn't even sure if I was gonna be back before five So I literally got in and made the live stream Thing so now I lost the cursor You know we have this much screen real estate and then you're spreading it across a couple computers you end up with Losing your mouse a lot So we can Always start with silly things that we've been printing for 3d printing Yes, I'm you know, I don't do any 3d printing videos because I'm not very good at it I have employees that are and so I just Buy printer stuff. I'm like order it because it's fun to play with and then occasionally Where did other one go? I? Don't know why they make some of the things they make this one's pretty cool can Well, there we go that one looks way cooler right there 3d printed virus bacteria phage specifically. This is you're you're looking at bacteria here. Can we get it a little closer? Believe these are bacteria I don't know. I'm uh, I'm in a technology not much as in you know, bioscience is not my specialty Although the last two years so many people on Facebook are bioscience experts. It's amazing. I didn't know this many people were experts That's not it what you're here to talk about and oh, yeah, what was giving me this a message you're like here Tom Yes For sure for sure, so That's definitely funny. All right How comfy is this chair? Nothing special um, I bought it because it was on sale not because I thought it was an amazing chair It's on sale at office max. It's called the is like you go to office max comm type in gaming chair And you'll go that seems like too much. It was at 179. I thought that was too much It was on sale for like $99 so I bought it. I think it was on clearance So I don't have a really great reason for buying it. I didn't do a lot of research on chairs, so None the less How do I pick a power supply I have no idea I don't really build computers. I haven't built computers really I Myself in years, so I don't know. I I know there's a ton of YouTube channels that talk about building computers. I Talk more about servers and things like that. So not really my thing. Oh You like the job site videos in the past well, you're in luck because that's why time was late is job site Let me see if we can pull up some job site today because That's why I was filming the problem of doing the job site videos the real challenge with them is They take a whole lot of time. It's just It's a time sink to do them. That's the huge thing about these type of videos and let me switch cameras I mean have a camera to on We'll turn it on because we want to Show what I was doing Starts with Me taking selfies, you know, hey, it's me and then there's me But we were in Hey, I'm Tremac. That's a suburb of Detroit essentially and hey, I'm trying because we're at this is where we're doing another project. So Yeah, that's See can I share it by sharing a tab would that be better share Screen Chrome tab, there we go And this is what we're assembling in a this isn't a broadcast booth. So I was there filming This is part of a broadcast booth for all this will be This is me looking out over this the field and everything else. This is a cool project. We're working on here and Where's it at Yeah, there's the putting up all that conduit and that's what the picture is and in there is a Picture of all the conduit a matter of fact, let me Let's see. We'll go ahead and remove Find the next set of pictures. Oh, yeah Actually, this is what people can laugh about There's proof that Tom does work. I'm the one that unloaded the truck so You can watch it in and then watch one of the guys he's gonna he's gonna whack into the camera and knock it over because That's what happens No, there we go See this is why on-site stuff so much harder to do one you got dropped cameras You got to put all this together you have to go there to film all of it So this is a film in project progress. These are just some clips Putting it together and stuff like that. So yeah, this is this is gonna be pretty cool For project wise for getting all this done So kind of I should probably switch to different cameras when I'm doing this because I should look at you over here Well, you guys watch us unload things and that's how you unload a truck All right back back over to here what's actually I got I keep looking over here is all the ratings over here All right now lost the mouse again, there it is Do you need a static address into your next one to show up in? Settings to review the default address is shown when I go to change settings. I don't understand the question You I would highly recommend for a NAS device either Using DHCP reservations or setting a static IP because you want your NAS device to be at the same place all the time So yes, what if there's companies that hire Linux admins also have experience? I'm working at heights pro-automated geocustomer service and equipment operations I don't know people hire for everything Hey, we have Riley Chase in the house, so And for those you don't know Riley's taken on a new adventure. He's gotten into some The consulting side of Unify and offering management services and things like that So hostify is getting better Riley Chase has been on my channel a few times We've talked about hostify if you're looking for someone to host your Unify Controller and it's primarily targeted at businesses and things like that But if you want to use it you can use it for your personal stuff as well, but yeah, it's a great service Yeah, Cody knows because he's done a few of them love on-site videos, but they take so much work The time it takes to put them all together compile all the video assemble it go out to the job site often many times Yeah, it's one of the reasons there's not as many of them that they're a bigger production to do Hello from Switzerland. All right. I See I'm rolling back to there Riley said hi up here. I Think I got everybody Hello from the land down under I always like when people are from other countries. We got Australia and the UK all the way up here at the top. So that's awesome. I Heard things are flooding down there in Australia. So that's a I seen that on there Alabama, that's the land down under for here. That's the southern part of the United States for those of you Don't know. We're in the we're in the Detroit area. So Michigan here actually me and Riley both are from Michigan And then Cody from mack telecom networks is above us further. So he's he's in the land of the north Kananada Speaking of IP addresses. Do you find it better to do static IP for the machine or MAC address bind in the HTTP server? I Actually reserve everything I go through my system and set up reservations for all the things I'm huge on that and the reason why is really simple One I have to recalibrate my network for whatever reason I have all the MAC addresses already listed and I Because you can do this between pfSense systems. We actually do this for clients. We'll set up a camera system And if they already have a pfSense, which is frequently if there are clients We'll build a dhcp reservation export it and we can just import it at the client site Uh, and it's nice because when everything's already reserved and labeled and named Whenever you have to swap something out anything outside of that range got added to the network afterwards And I'll use camera networks as an example for this So we look at where it lands outside the network, but most of the time and we have a few school districts We have the MAC address ahead of time. So we go in there dcp server before going out to the client And we pre reserve where that camera is going to go. So there's no question when that camera comes on It's going to be at this IP address, but the same thing goes for everything else I love just setting everything as a reserve that way if I ever have to re engineer a network or re change things I just got to go through and do a search and replace in the dhcp table for whatever different ip range I want all those devices to be moved to um It was actually we had a we had a client that Well somewhere along the lines and before they were our client Someone thought let's take this because we're going to have so many devices and make it a slash 22 Instead of subnetting it because that was the solution good news is many things were dhcp reserve, but Just increasing the scope of the network was not the great idea So when we had to decrease it and re break it out into a series of subnets It was actually really nice just going through groups of dhcp reservations and Shuffling them in pfSense to the more logical places. They should be in different subnets So i'm huge on setting reservations rather than static ip's But some people will say well set it all static. I don't know it just seems like a lot more work All the way from israel awesome Yeah, bad floods in eastern australia. I was listening to uh, patrick gray with risky business He had mentioned that caused a delay. I guess he's in one of those unfortunate areas alberta canada scotland What's your experience of crypto cards and pfSense to speed up vpn? I don't have any uh testing I've done with the crypto cards to speed up vpn So I haven't done any testing some people have checked their forums denmark who Z new zealand my friend just moved back from new zealand Uh, he lived there for a couple years working on a large project. Um, very interesting person. Maybe one day I'll have him on the channel. He's just super cool And uh, he's done a couple cool things working. He worked for google. He works for sysco He worked for some big name companies He's just genuinely interesting. He did some really cool stuff working for google really cool stuff now I think he's I think he's back at sysco again I think he also worked for amazon. Uh, he's bounced around some big companies. So he's got stories to tell Flooding yes has increased my workload to supply my clients that have been in a flood Yeah, I'm edgy gonna do a lot of work to get in there. So That sucks. Yeah, I'd seen pictures. I you know when I seen patrick gray from risky business Uh, he does the risky risky. I think it's risky.biz podcast I think it's the url for risky business podcast unless I've seen that he posts about it and I googled it and like, wow That's uh, really tragic there Static sucks when you have to make changes reservations all day. Yeah whales awesome Do you do any door access work? Nope. We really don't Uh Yeah, he uh, I'm assuming you're telling what my friend from new zealand. He is I I don't want to just close anything until I get his permission, but he he worked on Building call centers at some of these big big companies. He's got some brilliant. I always enjoy talking to him Just having a beer with him. Uh, but genuinely interesting. He's also been on Podcasts and things like that. I don't know. I don't know how much he reveals about himself So I always because I know so much from him in conversations. I'm always very careful And make sure I have implicit permission for people to give any of their details because maybe they don't want things to know But nonetheless super interesting and I would probably probably should get them on just to talk about what it's like to build a Call center at a company the size of Any of the companies I mentioned that's one of his specialties is designing The flow and everything for their for the call stuff. He's not like just he's not coding it It's part of the arc architecting more so than coding Are we ready to stick to the modern UI and unify controller? Is there still stuff in the old? Um, Riley mentioned something to me that was in the old still maybe he'll chime in there. Here we go New you guys came pretty good. Uh more stuff seems to be working well Uh, and if Riley wants to go ahead and expand on that there's something else that you had said I I was actually I was driving when you tweeted at me to tell me what it was I I'm a look in my uh notes here Data retention settings are back new interface is good. Um Oh and previously the site import was only in order face. So now you can do a site import as well. So That's great So she's saying that they brought back a couple good things should only add to the new UI Like site import. Yeah, that's that's the one right there. Um, kind of more like pbx type design work Yeah, I'll see if he's interested in doing a video I don't know how much because when you work for those large companies There's a reason those people don't always do interviews They often are handed a lot of legal things they sign not to talk about how they do something Uh, so I got to find out, you know, I know what he does to extend But obviously what you can publicly talk about is it's going to be a matter of I don't know what contracts he may have signed So, uh, but yeah interesting stuff nonetheless Speaking of interesting things. We're just going to bounce around today because oh Let's get this out of the way because I have it in the title when I have something title I try to get it out of the way right away and uh, I did a video on signal and is signal secure Obviously it is Obviously a lot of people have a lot of questions about it. Um Yeah, not being able to talk about the cool stuff you do and work on is the worst Yes, you know, if you go back to um The videos I did if you go to my youtube channel and we type in the uh those Share this Share this share this I mean, I would love to tell you what's under that tape right there Because it's a cool customer that we got but this customer Immediately said yes. Well, we would like to buy some petabyte storage servers from you Also, can you not put us on youtube? And it's a massive company. Uh, obviously a company that is buying multiple petabytes of storage Has a lot of data and a lot of stuff to do, but yeah, that's one of the um Problems sometimes is not being able to talk about things. So yes, I'm completely I feel it riley And I'm sure riley He knows the names of customers and he would probably love to brag going we landed so and so who hosts all of their equipment here But they don't want that broadcast. So Yeah, I only see wi-fi insights on the new ui. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's only I think they're making it pretty clear that they're going to just be doing things on the new ui That's that's where they're going with it. So Crypto cars just pretty good performance at your nats. It is technically viable as per encryption of data I don't know if the drivers that control it if you're talking about like the encryption on The way they encrypt the drives themselves outside of what's in the processor I mean, it's it's a twofold thing you have to have like qat crypto Is an example, but you have to have the libraries to support it and then it has to have support Um in the application that you're using. I don't know if zfs has any specific Crypto accelerator cards that are supported. I've never I've never looked into it. I'm not saying it does or doesn't I'm just saying I haven't looked into it Let's see what else do we have in there anyways back over to signal It is kind of just related to there was a disinformation campaign Which doesn't surprise anyone because there was such an uptick in signal users Because of the current events going on in ukraine and uh, yeah, it's it it's just kind of as expected There's going to be a level of disinformation because it is not in the best interest of governments That are trying to spy on certain people or government spying on other People to belonging to other countries for them to use more secure ways of communication So the signal protocol is open. It's vetted by security researchers and I knew I absolutely knew the uh You can't trust anything people would be the ones commenting on that youtube video, but I expect that there's always been a Long-standing rule of mine is never reply twice to people that are clearly A little unwound and it just isn't worth it. It's not an engaging conversation And some people like you can trust nothing. You can't trust any type of phone. You can't trust any electronics I'm like, why are you doing on youtube? What are you doing commenting on my youtube if you can't trust anything? Or just don't post anything personal. I mean look, we know that some level if you did not You know grind the sand that produced the chip and then write the Code for the chip and architect it and then write the operating system and didn't do all of this yourself Yeah, at some point along the way you trusted some outsiders there is a level of reasonable trust and then there's the You know people who just say you can't trust anything no matter what I say. That's what they're going to reply with I mean, I'm not bothered by them. They are a They're not an anomaly. They're an absolute predicted if you do a video talking about signal that yes, it is secure That immediately the know it isn't people will start commenting But I'm a huge fan of single messenger. Um, I like where they're Where they've been with the product my minor minor complaint. Is there a lack of tablet support? I don't know why they don't support. Um, because they work on android and ios. They work on Linux and windows for apps, but you can't use it on a tablet They've just decided not to I don't know why I got nothing on that one As long as you don't pull windows, uh pull windows and change interface You lose some functionality. Oh Try to find a back way to get the ui back. Hmm. Yeah Yeah Tom the tablet user not much of a tablet user I'm I kind of like I'm not I don't use I only have a tablet. It's this tablet this tablet actually most of time This is what this tablet is for. We got a little kickstand on it. We got a little keyboard for it And we type scripts on it So if we look this is uh parrot This is how if I have to sound smart, but read things. This is how I rate my scripts But I also sometimes just use this upstairs while I'm having lunch and reply to people because they have my email tied to this too so Yeah, it's It works. It gets a job done. It's an android tablet. It's also a chromebook. So one of those, uh Lenovo, um Someone's gonna ask me the model number. So let me look it up because I already forgot Chromebook do at They're not particularly uh Expensive and they work quite well. So for those of you wondering what what kind of tablet it is. It's uh That hey look last purchased December 3rd because I actually ended up getting two of them 200 bucks They're cheap. They get the job that they actually work really well for a lot of what I use them for um lightweight and uh keyboard detaches. So My big recommendation is uh this right here works quite well Let's remove that Oh, let's see If you have a keyboard, it's different. Yes You could you would not imagine me typing on a touch screen because it would not happen Do you think you'd find network will ever get support for opa vpn wire guard for clients and using them for on specific networks? Maybe I don't know what drives them um I am always confused the The ability is there because people have added it from like third parties Have put in extra functionality. The hardware is capable of doing more than a software Written by unify allows it to do now. Why I don't know Unify makes weird decisions. Um, unify Was in the market for hosting their software. They got out of the market for hosting it leaving people in a lurch and then got back into it There there's just weirdness that drives them like I think it's cool. They do some of these augmented reality things, but No one asked for a new ui Wasn't it's like something we were complaining about with the old ui But a lot of resources wouldn't write a new ui when honestly a better vpn Was definitely a way way more requested feature So why did so much work go into things people didn't ask for but less effort wouldn't air So they have a roadmap that is only visible to them And so I don't know when I mean someone said that they actually said it was uh, going to happen Or is why this is if the past is any indication the future will never happen. Yeah, it's just I don't know This is something I don't understand The only problem signal is when is link new devices. It does not copy copy the message history You have message history. That's the part I don't get To me and anyone who's in I don't know fraily's message me a signal or not. I can't remember fraily has my cell phone number now But most of my friends and I there may be even some of them are on here right now that know me if if you Say hi to me on signal the next thing you'll notice is tom set messages to expire And it's usually seven days. It might be sooner. I don't want a message history I Think we keep too much data and especially the things I put in signal I don't necessarily think they need to have a history Um, that even I maybe I'm weird. Um, we have a signal group chat at work It's set to 24 hours whenever we have to send something that might be somewhat confidential over signal We usually set it to expire in 30 minutes to an hour. We keep it very very sparse I don't want a message history for most things if something goes through signal that needs to go somewhere I will copy it and put it somewhere in a more permanent place But I'm fine with them not having message history One of the ui staff said in the comments they're adding wire guard, but that may be for uid Yeah, so And by the way, this is kind of a weird thing like I applied a while ago for the UID and it's still invite only and I didn't get my invite. I don't think they like me so I I applied I think I've applied twice for it now and I still haven't seen an email come through So I don't know the the uid thing I'm mixed. I don't know if it's going to be good or bad Do I trust them? Well, you know, if they had a roadmap and a plan I would probably trust them better, but without a true roadmap and plan. How am I supposed to? Um, say yes, I should switch everybody to this. Well, does it have a future? Does it have a long future that will make me think that we should keep using it? Let's see Just do do do Make sure it's not important. So nonetheless, yeah Maybe unify are making more for the home user market So making decisions that make market happy because pro users will either edit the configs or cli No, pro users will not the msp market will not edit the cli Trust me Trust me and talk to riley. How often is the pro market want to spend time hacking away at it? That's a Home users that spend time hacking away to add features to a dream machine The business market doesn't most of the business and msp's are more like me That don't bother deploying their routers because of problematic Things if I had to guess and riley has better statistics for me That you would probably find That the majority of is hosting is for switches and access points and less for the usg So I'm not saying that number zero but proportionately. I bet riley has substantially more Switches and access points not because of the ratio But just the the sites I should say for each site that the head end of that site Is probably not a unified piece of routing equipment. It's less likely Don't know why they don't like you but you speak so highly of the idiom pro Ah, yes, this is also why they don't send tom hardware They haven't sent me hardware since I said a couple of their products I just thought sucked and I I'm very vocal and I think a company doesn't like sending you products if you say their products suck Maybe I'm maybe I'm breathing too much into it, but they they went from sending me emails and products to dead air If it's an encrypted wouldn't history only live on in a device when you get a new device it's clean Pretty much. That's how that works was signal. That's one of the reasons there's no history But it's there's ways. I think to take the history file. I think I don't know I don't ever care because I don't When I'm when I load it up on a new device. I'm indifferent to the history of the messages G-son config isn't officially supported by greekie so it can break into future updates when g-son config is messed up Uh, you can cause reboot loops as well. Yeah, this is why the business people you gotta remember from the business standpoint Um, if we're managing a bunch of sites I don't want to have to go out to those sites Because of a json file having one miss config and goes in reboot loop You want things to be stable and secure and hacking away at json files is not the path to security It's why we don't use the, uh, unify routing equipment. We use their switches. We use our access points Is signal a viable alternative facebook messenger or whatsapp? That depends and it depends on whether or not you can get adoption from your friends on it Uh, I Love signal. I have a lot of my friends using it. There's a few exceptions though that don't and uh, they like to use facebook if that's just how they are so It depends on how much things you if you can get people to move over secondary It's not as going to be as full featured as whatsapp. It's not going to be as full featured as facebook messenger But it's going to be private and those companies will not be able to see the messages you send so yes What do you think of next tns? Don't know. Don't use it. I don't have a reason to use it. I don't have a reason not to use it Um, but more importantly because I don't have a reason to use it I don't plan to review it people seem to like it And it seems to be popular among home users who ask me that question, but I don't have any reason to use the product so msp here in the uk exactly we only use unify switches and wireless access points watch garden 40 gates sit on the edge Yeah, lots of people are not using that We should pull stats of sites versus sites to have a usg and know it's used for much business Riley, I would love and certainly retweet that stat. So And riley's really fast. I expect this twitter post to happen soon. So how many sites you manage? Uh individual sites and how many of those sites have a usg and how many don't that would just be a fun ratio Maybe a little pie chart. Um, because I feel I gotta we should probably start a betting pool There we'll start some enthusiasm around this. Let's get the betting pool going. Uh, you can tweet Riley chaser hostify on this And uh, it's a good discussion Because I'm curious now what that number is and what that percentage is. So Does anyone still use threema people seem to ask about it? I know zero people using it outside of comments on youtube So I don't know anything wrong with threema But I don't have I don't know anyone using it. So and I don't plan to use it so Element versus signal very different products Signal can import and import messages. Uh, so okay. I thought there might be a way to do it. So You got it We'll tweet it. Um, this is gonna be fun. This is gonna be a fun discussion I'm looking forward to the twitter engagement. Of course, Riley will then take it and uh This turns into why not do a whole blog posts or something. I don't know But uh, this will be a good discussion in the facebook forums as well for how many people are using it And I mean riley has a big enough sample size to make for some interesting analytics here Who some people thinking it's going to be 12% that are actually using the usg 500 to one ratio, maybe I don't use signal, uh, because I don't have friends use signal and it's far easier to find someone that has access to sms I use udm for some customer small customer works great for what they need. Maybe the only one here who likes udms. Um I don't know Enough people like them that they buy them. I mean, I've seen them as a solution. They're not If you just need routing they seem to work for that. So You know, that's what your goal is Any plans to do anything about ipv6? No, when well, there's I like to tell this story because there's a and I didn't even see because I didn't have a chance to go Since most of the lockdowns But there's a local, um, I think it's called the mishkin users group Uh, it's it's a computer group And for years and years every year in january, I think it was they did the the year of ipv6 And then years and years later they kept doing it I'll I'll make a video about ipv6 when ipv6 is necessary. So it's not necessary right now. It's not going to do it Uh, do you think pscense will ever get the 48 sysco asa I I don't know what exactly, uh, you're Asking that's a very generic question I like pscense over sysco, but I guess it depends on what feature you're looking for Um, so it's hard to say it's hard to answer that question without the specifics of it Lots of people use telegram the problem with telegram is it is not encrypted by default And if you leave something at default users will leave it at default I know the tech savvy audience watching this show right now is Among the people who change the defaults, but we know the common people of technology that just want to use it I don't blame them. They're just going to pick it up and use it They're going to end up with unencrypted messages and that's not to me a good thing. So yeah telegram I don't use it. I set up an account on it as a placeholder Uh, but I don't use it I only use signal with my wife. What's up is very popular here in mexico. Okay Are those stats going to be skewed by people using udm for protect? Uh, I don't know I don't think so and you can't host a udm and hostify. So because udm has to host itself Not sure about ipv6, but 2020 was the year by pv4. Yeah Uh, do you have any guides on wire shark search my channel for wire shark you'll find a few videos on wire shark Yeah telegram, uh, well telegram is popular in the uk and signals becoming more popular in in ukraine I said uk i meant ukraine Uh telegram is not exactly I mean, they are loosely a russian company the history of telegram is a lot more complicated than their russian uh, the guy And I don't his name will lose you but you can look it up the founder of telegram Was a russian billionaire, but I believe and I don't know the details of this I think somehow he's in exile. So there's a lot of a lot of details in there But backup solutions are using osp. You don't think any reviews from your side. Uh, there are reviews. We were using enable We've also done a few projects using msp360 Currently, uh, the one we're using for rmsp Directly for things we manage is ninja backup Which is part of the ninja rmm Which I covered in my ninja rmm review Yeah The udm wants to be the full deal. That is correct yes Pavel jarav that sounds like the right name. I'm not going to look it up But anyone with google can look up the telegram founder. There's a whole wikipedia entry in there. I just Never dove into the details. So pf sense 10 telegram notifications. Yes, there isn't I've never used it, but there is an integration for telegram notifications and pf sense Yeah, I'm not saying you shouldn't use telegram. I'm just saying it's not encrypted by default but has the option to encrypt there's also, um telegram was just designed very odd uh the We'll pull this one of my favorite quotes about telegram up if you look, uh Let's see I gotta find his I'll find his post real quick And if you want just I'll start share this tab If you go to Uh Here we go Bruce Schneier's got a few articles on it and talking about the things about telegram and some of the encryption He had something, um It was about the way they implemented they did a more confusing way of doing it Yeah, this was one of those things and I'll zoom in This is I don't know if this has been fixed. These were some of the other problems with telegram This is from about a year ago There was a lot of little things that were kind of telegram. This is a little bit more extensive people have told me they like it because it has more features That's fine. I like privacy first when it comes to communications. And that's why I'm such a big fan of using um Signal I I trust in its privacy and things like that Because you follow me on linked it. Yeah Hmm Encrypted telegram sounds like a lot of work. I just use signal That's a lot of work to go through to encrypt telegram using encrypted telegram The old fashion way with encoder rings and send an actual courier with a telegram to my friend I mean, hey, whatever works There's pgp. You could just you know try to get people to use that PGp is good except Uh, do you have a video for multi one-to-one public IP gnats private one way and one land five public IPs? And I can't figure it out. I never use that scenario. It's so we set it up for people who always have some crazy idea I don't know why you would do it that way. Um There's a write-up inside of neck gate of routing public IPs I just don't do it this way. I take and only I mean pf sensors of firewall If I'm going to have pf sense handle the public IPs I'm going to net to the things behind it And then if I need some type of one-to-one outbound and you just outbound the net on there, but I don't that's rare Um, that's just usually not needed So I don't usually you just assign those extra public IPs to the wan and then port forward all the things you need port forwarded If you want all the public IPs to pass through pf sense. Why have pf sense in the mix? Um, that's my that's my opinion. I mean, don't get me wrong lots of people seem to ask for it I I never they always just don't want to have pf sense and deal with nat. I don't know why Because if you don't want pf sense, you don't want nat. Just don't use pf sense. Like I said, maybe I'm weird Oh Ninja arm around sales guys are a bit on the aggressive. Look The the way you grow a company In it's unfortunate You get a few of the bro dudes They're the ones who are selling stuff. I don't know. That's just how it works And it's not a ninja problem. It's It's all of them. You do everything you can but there's If you want to get the sales you want to get those numbers up, uh You're gonna end up with a few of those people We use the acronis cloning product. I don't use the um Acronis backup. I know people that said they like it. I don't know anything wrong with it I just don't use it You're impressed that they managed to track down your work phone number Hey, oh open source intelligence is fun There's all kinds of fun things you can find with open source intelligence Track down people's home addresses and home phone numbers and cell phones and all kinds of things The footprint you leave on the internet is often big Uh any recommendation for good network capacity planning tools? What are you planning that that's not exactly an easy question to answer because what it is you know What's the plan you plan to have everybody Moving data at 10 gig or one gig or half a gig what tools are they using? You just have to get a calculator a spreadsheet is a great network capacity tool You have to calculate all the different data rates what people are doing What how much data they're using and that's the capacity planning So a spreadsheet is probably a great tool for that. I'm not sure what you need outside of that I've not used a kernel as a cloud backup tool, but they were working on a local backup I was thinking of trying your harden storage repository soon Yeah, like people seem to like their products. I don't I don't hear people hating them We use the ninja backup because it's integrated within ninja And when you're you know, not using third parties, you're using one tool with everything in it It makes life a little bit simpler. Oh, yes. I seen someone said the netgate forums You know, don't underestimate a good forum post to help with that. So That's uh, just put together a good forum post someone Well, the same someone who's done this a bunch of times I'm not going to call them out by name. I don't want to give them the attention They keep tagging they used to say started by messaging me and tagging my facebook I think I blocked them there and now they keep tagging me randomly Basically this person doesn't like taking advice doesn't like reading the manual Just sets things up and says they don't work And I yeah, and then they always go to tagging me and twitter tom You said this product or this thing don't work and i'm like That's what you say about everything is I want to reply to them all the time and I say use forums use forums and uh, yeah Did you move away from connect wise? No, we still use connect wise control It's the only connect wise product we use which technically we became a connect wise customer because connect wise bought Screen connect so we've been a screen connect customer for I don't know eight plus years and because connect wise bought screen connect and re-branded it as connect wise control We became a connect wise customer Um, but that's the only tool we use from connect wise right now Hey tom just want to say glad I came across your channel last year studying it at oakland and your giant help learning more about the it world is Nice to use some local. So yes, awesome The for those of you the geography here I am in wane county and oakland county is 20 30 miles north of here from roughly from where i'm at. So awesome msp 360 seems a little better for acrobat for pure cloud backup offsite tool Veeam or acrobat backup relies on having some kind of local storage or primary for primary storage cloud second Yeah, uh in msp 360 supports both you can do local backups and uh cloud and remote msp 360 msp 360 is also interesting because um, they support a Handful of different back ends for storage. So you can choose different targets Do you do unify controllers to manage clients remotely? Yes, we do Uh, in what scenarios are you deploying untangle when people really want the firewall to do the filtering the application filtering the Filtering for websites and things like that. If that's something like a requirement to do that on a Firewall level then untangle is what we'll push. It's a it's a nice firewall. It works great We're a authorized partner with untangle and we've been using it for a while I mean, I throw in a review about once a year. No one seems to care. Um, I've done a few videos on untangle They never get many views. I people go, uh and pf sense gets the more popular. So I don't think anyone Wants to watch untangle videos. Uh, and most of stuff on untangle is pretty automated. So it's not You know the review I did a year ago Even with the they went from version of 15 to 16 in the last maybe year and a half There it's not substantially different So there's not been a big incentive for me to do it and there's certainly not much of a demand of people asking about it So but it then untangled does make a nice product. Like I said, we're still using it We don't I mean we we deploy more pf sense than untangle, but Untangles work, uh, they've been reliable. They're They're good. The licensing is what gets people You know up in and more Hey, I think you nailed where we use untangle. Would you when untangle be good for a school? Yes, uh, some of the schools because filtering is like this huge deal The kids can't possibly look at something terrible on the internet. We have to have a firewall to restrict the kids from going anywhere Um, so yeah untangles school is actually a popular use case for it because the schools are among those people because they don't always have the uh desire or what not to load a tool on the workstation And that's how we resolve the problem is by having a tool on the workstation for most of our clients Because people say but you have to have web filtering. Tom, of course you do You need to be able to track all that but You can load tools on the endpoints to do it instead of at the firewall level And you actually end up with more granular and better reporting and control and it especially Is good with so many people doing the work from home because now when they leave and we have people do this They wander back and forth in and out of the office With their laptops in different locations You protect the endpoint. That's where all the bad things are happening So yep, you guys nailed it on some of those. Ah, what else is my list of things to talk about? We talked about projects. We talked about signal We're down to the errata and q&a and uh Do I have any other project videos to share? Or videos i've done about the project Oh, man, I gotta you know, it's funny because um, let me find one of these here Seeing what might be A good project video to share Well, I can share this this photo right here. So we'll go ahead and Throw this in there just to talk more about this other project so This is the one that I was at filming today And it's just going to be interesting because we put this is just all that conduit How we mounted it all And everything else this is getting changed up a little more but This has been interesting because a lot of these brackets are there. There's another set of things on them So we're having to put more and more stuff up and there's a series of hangers Uh that are going in there. These were re anchored in this is Going to be kind of a fun project to talk about because when you're dealing with an old building like this I I got to look up just how um How old this place is but it's it's a pretty old place And uh, so there's a lot of interesting things you have to deal with when doing that to Secure all the things to this stadium that we're working on So that's uh, that's something we all understand. I don't I thought I had more footage Oh, I do but I just don't have it available to show right now Um, this one's really not about drops It's about these so Um There we go. So let me share this So the it's not the drops It's xlr It's rj45 And uh, it's all about the media. That's what Brett Chittum is in here and uh The fiber is at the top here. So let me flip it over. I think I got a picture on the back. There's the field There's the backside So a closer look at all this these are a little fiber caps are gone here This is all for transporting media From the control room, which is the booth the broadcast booth at the top to feed all the cameras So this is all going in at a stadium. So it's not exactly about drops. It's just about having All of these connected In a way down there where they can all be distributed So yeah, it's it's definitely really cool how that's um, Going to go in so it's however many of these are so we 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 fiber 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 xlr and 8 uh rj45s So 8 by 8. Um and how many xlr drops have you run? That's a weird one, right? That's not something you hear about all the time running xlr drops Are you using in tune? Do you think microsoft will kill the arm and business? Um No, they will not kill the arm and business Not anytime soon Microsoft's ability to screw things up is amazing Uh, they are also a company and steve gibson had a great rant about it on the last episode of security now Microsoft has absolutely had in paul thorot said this too. They were talking You know, so it was a good discussion over on the twit podcast network that microsoft has absolutely no problems So just lying to their customers about windows 11 microsoft has changed over the years certain functionality of in tune microsoft is just not You know marketing over quality they chose for example and microsoft has the resources to properly fix things But in certain areas they choose not to they're they're just eroding their brand trust and i don't think that Uh companies are trying to get more microsoft by the time more by time microsoft gets in tune as a more and more viable product I think more and more people are going to be moving away from Locking themselves into desktop operating systems. I don't think that's the way the future is going I think we're going to see more diversity Come up and where people are more pushing for web applications But the long tail of legacy says yeah, it'll be here a while for using desktop apps, but There's I don't think there's enough confidence in the market that microsoft will get it right They're good. They're so good at getting some things wrong unless they can super monetize it and even then It's a maybe sdi over fiber. Yeah, this is some sdi stuff too Are there any easy ways to wire a house for security? Or is it always just a mess? always just a mess That's the best way I can describe it and uh You know, I didn't finish I should do a video on this still I forgot I forgot I did until you just said something. Um Let's go backwards That should be that's like a good video title too Is it always just a mess when you? Are wiring a house Let me see here we go and we'll switch to this The answer is yes, here's tom ripping down the soffit on his house Because trying to get these cameras installed There's steve saying hi Crawling around in my attic There's me and I have a house with a huge attic that has accessibility built in and it's just Yes, it's not fun So yes, it's always is a big lot of work paying in a butt to do all this. Um Yeah, there's me there's my house and there's us wiring cameras up and things like that so it's Yeah, it's never It's never good. I don't know if I have any other real photos of it now. I don't Actually for those wondering Uh This photo is interesting to me because I'm sitting Right here roughly Um kind of well just in front of where that the camera is actually right where the uh vacuum is This was my studio before I built it. This was just a couple months ago. So That's interesting All right, remove So yes, always a big mess Don't forget steve gets someone's using windows 7 pass the drop dead date I know but he's very open about what he was doing how he was doing it. Um, that's not really a question It's it's really It's the problem that microsoft has made claims and especially related to windows 11 that certain functionality won't work But it will nothing they do requires that tpm too. Matter of fact microsoft has already Changed in rolled back some of the requirements for windows 11 I I don't know why microsoft just doesn't come clean and be honest with it I agree with what steve gives and said a lot just be honest We're fine if you say it's an arbitrary requirement that we want to require. Okay But own it own it be honest. That's what people are asking for and also be honest about exchange When when those security researchers disclosed, I think it's called the hafnium Hack that has devastated a lot of businesses that use exchange server microsoft should have been honest We got your security report. We don't care. We want to push people to the cloud So we don't want to fix exchange until Um, absolutely people get hacked because we won't lose them as a customer So we're not going to fix it and microsoft chose to ignore Not fix and let this attacks keep occurring to people And no end in sight and catch them off guard with a bunch of hacks on exchange for these large enterprise businesses using exchange and Simply not offer a patch for it until the public outcry was so bad that go guess we got to fix it But you know, you guys could just move to our cloud and we don't have to fix it. So You know, that's microsoft's uh attitude on things. It's just terrible Newcomer experience is likely to put a taste of most microsoft partner's mouth into an m 365 premium lighthouse all maybe many things run away from Young companies new startups don't run out and buy microsoft. They go to office 365. So Ah, the most easy way to wire a house is to uh, have someone younger than you get in the attic Marcus you want to go in the attic? Sure. And while you're uh, while you're some more security cameras My son has wandered in here Look down at the camera and say hi Hello, there he is My kid can just wander in here now because it's a live stream and he's I'm doing it from home But watch your videos for years before 50k you can grab some of your sex Ben in telecom for seven years started thinking about building a business doing your line of work any tips Just do it. Uh, getting the customers is the hard part. So Just It's uh, yeah, the getting the customers is the hardest part of any of these I've had a lot of technical friends that always talk to me about certain business and I don't ask them about their technical skill I know they have it it starts with how you going to get the customers and they go Uh, it's like you want to sit and smile and dial and call and there's a even We're an established business with lots of customers and we still call people Do all the things follow up reach out engage with customers And you have to you know, someone said tom aggressive sales people Brett behaves a little bit not really aggressively, but hey, he calls. He's like, hey about that quota gave you last week How's it looking you want to talk about it want to have coffee you want to get you want to get together and uh And discuss this quote we gave you last week Those are things you have to do if you're not willing to do it You're like, oh no people will buy for me because i'm good If you have a niche in-demand product that nobody else sells and you're the only one with it Cool, you can probably get away with it if you're trying to do something commoditized It's a lot harder. So uh, make sure you have a plan around marketing and sales Microsoft i have too many n 365 migrations in queue because of all that crap. Yeah Windows may have a future kernel and a change that lab requires a tpm and memory protectors cpu stuff We have not seen yet. I doubt I doubt So and why not release that in a roadmap? Why not be honest? How hard could it possibly be? Are they just too, you know Secretive about their roadmap. Oh no, someone may make a competing operating system If we had a roadmap that told people what was going to happen is do you think that's what would happen with Microsoft? Someone would know their secret plans to dominate the os market They have a 98 percent desktop share or something like that They're in the 90 percent anyways for desktop market and even higher if you just focus on the business market. So I don't think it's a secret. I think they don't know That's and uh, so there's smashing things out there like that. I don't know I have no idea Ever connect to active directory over zero tier never tried. I don't know if that's a good idea or not might work Hey glad I could help you colton. Hopefully it makes sense Yeah, you have to plan ahead to have a roadmap Yeah, it's nice. We try to use our modern security api for ias and ca server and it just crashes everything They've certainly botched up a few security things I mean the printer support that was broken by design for what like a year so I mean come on they just They make it really hard. There's a reason that there's so much stress in cybersecurity work It's trying to solve all the Microsoft problems. Why is there patch management? So garbage How does linux handle it so much better? That's a real solid question here So I don't know so back to the original question that started doing on kind of a tangent was Do I think in tune or replace rmm? Not anytime soon Roadmaps do get to close you sign nda and have early adopter and share experience of software Yeah And Microsoft did not be printing they created a business case for azure universal print feature Uh that charges you per print job. Yeah, so they break things for upsell My son's down here because he wants me to buy him a game. So no, I cannot get him into networking Uh, I'm positive that what he really wanted to do was ask me to buy something that's on sale Because I've been getting messages on my phone about something on sale for my son So then he's downstairs who knows I'm on a live stream because he wants me to buy him a game So no, I can't get him into networking Maybe I should Uh Define a network puzzle for him and at the end of the puzzle he gets to buy the game That would be an idea To me the problem with ms is just technical debt, you know, it's really interesting. Um One of the things that Is uh You see as I said younger companies, but a lot of small businesses more and more of them are moving to things like google drive Because it's so difficult and expensive to manage a microsoft network. I mean do we have Things my company does to protect those networks. Yeah, they come at an expense But you look at some we have some companies and you know, I don't know look at huntress We use them as an example They have a few hundred employees and they're a company doing a reasonable they do cyber security work obviously but they're using g-suite by the way and When you look at these large companies and going, huh? They figured it out and a lot of small businesses are doing the same thing And the reason why is they just pay a fee to the g-suite All the apps and everything as long as they keep their account secure with solid 2fa or even something like a ube key or whatever, which Uh, he was my extra one my demo key is right here. Um You know set up an account set up a solid 2fa You don't see a bunch of g-suites getting ransomware because it's a different scenario google does a pretty good job And they don't need any desktop apps matter of fact some of our clients Have just tablets and things like that. I we man. We got a couple companies They're pretty big and they're using g-suite. It's impressive how they've integrated all into their Uh workflows and just everything's like a tablet and on their phone and there's no servers There's no on-prem We just manage to make sure the network stays up and running because that's where all their data is Is in the cloud They're not dealing with patch management. They're not dealing with um a bunch of windows servers and domain problems And by the way, they're using a lot of the single sign-on with google for their other applications. So google becomes a um You know a single place of authentication for the other things they tie in that run their line of business Marcus is not getting a steam deck. That is not things that dad's buying right now No cloud desktops are being sold by people that would love to get you on a subscription That's why cloud desktops are all the rage. Just ask any salesperson selling them. They'll tell you that the best thing ever It's the only time I see a good use case is always being pitched to me by someone selling it Not by the people that go Wait a minute computers are cheap I'm seeing there's I'm not seeing there's no use case for it, but ah Honestly, if you're gonna look you'll see a lot more companies today And this is where older companies have their Older line of business applications that run on windows more modern companies go Why didn't you forget a new uh application and we're looking at what's going to run our business? They go do we want this bloated program that we load on a windows computer that decides randomly to update and get stuck Or do I use a cloud application? So the computer becomes a Tool to use where I open up my browser to get to my line of business application But uh, I can just use another computer if this one breaks. It's not a big deal my cloud applications over here So yes Yeah, cloud is good until you have internet backbone failure and under C cables get cut It doesn't happen that often. Oh look it's my son He went upstairs and now he joined the live stream here Going back to the cloud really feels like we're going back. I don't think so at all um It's better for the masses and I uh It's we we the people who join a live stream on a technical channel are the technical people We're not the people who are going. Hey all in cloud, but for the average users Yes, I would say cloud is probably a better solution This is actually really in there's a couple things driving this uh many it departments have more outages in the cloud Actually, the big problem is many it departments are understaffed And overwhelmed and they can't find enough skill to fill those positions So they almost end up forcing some of these things into the cloud because there's not anywhere else to do it because there's not anyone local to do it and Man, we've seen a lot of companies that should have went to the cloud because they they wouldn't they don't have the resources They had one dude and it's always some guy with a really long beard and suspender I swear every time that knows how the database server works and just holds on to his hpux system That's been running since 2002 and never needed to reboot and i'm like he's not been patched either so Yeah, there's it's unfortunate. It's an unfortunate situation. Um In it's going to force more things to be consolidated. It's a mix still what does or doesn't get consolidated. So It crowd Yes, my son has watched the it crowd with me at least You know, we run a lot of stuff local. We have our own I've talked about it many times Our own virtualization stack where we have everything So i'm a big fan of having everything In here, matter of fact, let's change to specifically the rise and pull Stuff i was messing with here You know, I like running all my own virtualization having everything and we set this up for clients It's not like it's everything gets outsourced to the cloud, but you know, it's stuff It's a mix of both now It just kind of depends on the scenario. It's not for everyone It's about for who needs a system like this or who doesn't need a system like this One of the things I like is the fact that you can build a hell of an open source stack with like xcp And g and zen orchestra and orchestrate a really awesome environment for managing a whole series of virtual machines and run all kinds of internal applications like that matter of fact xcp and g is all web based so It runs web based and then we use all of our tools pretty much everything internally that we use our web based applications We self host them instead of in the cloud But it having them all web based like that means I could migrate them somewhere else easily I could migrate them to the cloud easily and keep them behind, you know We have a behind a vpn, but we could put a vpn To the cloud and some instance somewhere to keep it all behind there if we wanted to Having everything web based makes it flexible even if that web base is especially if that web base, I should say is hosted locally Yes, definitely needs updates They just released the uh, I'm going to be doing a video on this over the weekend They just released the new um xcp and g and zen orchestra. So let's uh So let's go ahead and pull that up for those of you curious new features, um Zen orchestra blog so this just got released and They're all kinds of fun new stuff. This is going to be a really cool thing. This is xl light Um, they're getting closer to having this done. So yes This is part of it. Um, they have a new api system. They're offering There's a lot of cool stuff coming in here I thought this one was kind of a cool feature Uh sr creation improvements when creating local storage repository formats such as ex here lvm the operation includes Formatting the disk on which you're creating sr to avoid unpleasant surprises Those are not familiar safety storage. You've added confirmation boxes This is actually an interesting thing and it's because they've had so many new users on there They want to make sure That people are implicitly understanding what they're formatting when they set these up So i'm happy to see this uh feature coming in there Health view coalescing vdi's. This is a nice feature Uh for the health view dealt to back up select targets. This is actually kind of cool when you have a Multiple vdi's you're backing up. You can do multiple target destinations now. So yeah, there's so many Like I almost want to just start over and do an entirety video instead of an update video For all the cool features that are there and of course then we lead to um This right here and this is the other blog post Because now we're 8.21. This is why my system needs updates just got released the other day I just didn't I didn't patch it yet and it's not my to-do list to do so but some more enhancements, um More updated device drivers so Q logic until xtb until i see q logic next stream log rotation file updates guest template for windows server 2022 So lots of great stuff I'm excited always more fun things coming that team is just great at delivering Um, nope. I don't do anything with open stack Uh, does xc deduplication? No Not I don't think so. I don't know where you would use deduplication inside of there Good to hear from you grace and even though you're late you're chiming in because you're still working on bgp Keep learning at bgp. We need more people that know bgp That's for sure So I a little bit tired. I woke up early And yes, my son. I see at least a message in here for pizza I think so I'm positive. I seen pizza come up somewhere Was it a message on my phone? My son undoubtedly wants pizza because that's what he always wants No, you don't do the dedu, it's not ideal to do the deduplication with your Uh zen server you would do that on the storage target itself. That's where you want the deduplication to be done. So Now pizza's great Sands are dead long live software design forage until you need really high performance storage And you can't afford a sand that's high performance as a standard Uh storage, I mean There's there's a lot of nuance to that. Um, I plan to probably I'm going to be meeting with some of the 45 drives people soon and Talking about it. I mean, there's a it's not the end all solution everything just to start adding more complexity layers to your thing Like hold on Let's build this true nasty scale system and slap gluster on top of it because that'll magically solve all of our storage needs Oh, wait, we just made a more complicated system that wasn't needed to be more complicated Or maybe it was it's great to have when there's a need But some people want to over complicate before there's a need to do it So you have to decide how to do that Yeah, this is why you don't want to dedupe. So uh, mike here's mentioning Uh, dedupe would be in the back end but likely to have the disable encryption and compression for backups. Um, and Ideally you're encrypting or even you just don't want to do the deduplication side on There you're you're asking a lot of the server to try to figure out if those files are duplicated What's better is doing things just like do a series of delta backups And that way you're only doing Change level backups at the vm level and they're much smaller That's actually a better way to handle that And if you want to set up deduplication on your nas then go set up deduplication on your nas Matter of fact, this is easy example of this. Um You know, here's How quick it is, uh, 23 seconds for these delta backups to run So you can tell this runs every couple hours. It makes a full it makes a delta backup 676 megs 23 seconds, so I'm not transferring much data this full vm I can I have a snapshot of it and it's this much data based on the changes it had in there So 23 seconds 23 seconds 23 seconds, so These take longer. These are some of the full larger backups. Um, it takes a few hours on gray log is just disc intensive and Uh backing up gray log because it's running And writing and running and writing it takes a while So hopefully that makes a little bit more sense on that see Ddupe on v sand calls the disk failure take out an entire disk group. Yeah That's very different products. We're talking about so Yeah, Ddupe sort of vmware before encryption A cost optimized hypervisor solution Well, vmware is not your cost optimized. Maybe cost the vmware is expensive So I don't know. I'm a bigger fan of xcp and z and zen orchestra. So hopefully that makes sense Hopefully that's good. All right rapid fire any more questions Uh Before I wind this down and get pizza for my son. Yeah cost of vmware not optimized We've moved a lot of people away from vmware over to xcp and g More people we've moved actually from microsoft's hypervisor There's no love people who have used it in large scale seem to hate hyper hyper v And they're people that have spent real money on stuff one of our clients. I mean They have a full hundred gig interconnects. They have I think they spent like, you know, 40 000 dollars 40 or 45 000 per server each node And they are just done with hyper v they they bought all the support from microsoft and were just truly Disappointed with how terrible their support was that they pay a lot of money for Um, and they've actually found xcp and g that they did buy support contracts for substantially smoother better and uh easier to get going and set up What flavor pizza Um, I would go pineapple. My son would disagree Yes, smash the like button. There's only 162 likes. That's actually still Oh 64 likes i'm reading that wrong So Let's uh smash the like button before we leave Buddy's pizza is outstanding. They make a really good pizza for sure Yep, it's not hard to move between these. Uh, it's actually generally it's not hard to move between any of them I've done a few videos about how to do things like they're Ooh, canadian bacon is great I do like some canadian bacon pineapple canadian bacon That just makes for a savory pizza I know some people are, you know, don't even like the thought of pineapple on pizza, but I don't uh, have you tried Canom pizza? I don't know what that is There is a uh pizza place called curry on the crust and it is a indian Style pizza. That's really good too. Um, also in dearborn I I it's not what they're called. They're usually called like meat pies But they make some variations of the meat pies. It's got some other name in arabic. I don't know Um, but they're like a pizza and those are really good too But curry on the crust the indian pizzas. Oh, those are super good. They're a local chain here Canadian maple flavor bacon. Yep. Not all about on pizza, but canadian maple bacon Those are those a good combination of things Okay, uh, canada american pizza cam. Can am. All right Do you either like pineapple and pizza or you're wrong? Yeah, I see uh, marcus does like spicy things but Not near as much as I do. Um He's a lot of it though Pepperoni pineapple jalapeno. Look people don't realize this jalapenos are fruit. So I'm pretty sure I'm right about that Back to very beginning of show. Tom's not a biology expert So but pineapple pepperoni I eat that I see I'm trying to decide right now what I want to eat because I don't know if I want to eat pizza or not You can dude. It's not a hard segue. I I believe the tech community loves pizza Uh, I well, I think a lot of people love pizza. So the tech community is among the people who love pizza Uh, I don't I don't think there's any The pizza is pretty universally loved the only place that maybe there's less love for pizza But this is not the same as the tech community would be the healthy health food and running community people who are Really into athletics are probably thinking Maybe not eating as much pizza. Um, although I do know a few people who their, uh, athletic prowess and training is coincides with their doing it so they can eat more things like pizza Yes, it and drinking coffee Uh, oh, is it popular get kebabs? Yes. So, um, a couple plate a couple things is if you didn't know this Hamtramik, michigan and dearborn, michigan, uh are really Uh densely populated with middle eastern, uh middle eastern population So there's when you go to dearborn, uh, michigan and you can look a lot of this up You'll find a rich number of middle eastern food places Which is wonderful. Matter of fact, that's I was in hamtramik today I stopped by a middle eastern store to pick up some good feta cheese and olives and fattoush Some fattoush stuff for my staff. So I brought all that after I was down in hamtramik. I brought all that to them so yeah, absolutely, um shawarmas and yes, I for um I have a hummus in my fridge And because I had for lunch with another msp that I met today Um met with a friend of mine local msp and we we ate at a local arabic restaurant. So yeah, I eat a lot of middle eastern food turkey style kebabs Turk ish or turkey shawarma like yes Ah, yes thin crust pizzas the ultimate food for eunuch sabans. They are easy to slide under the door Yes, we don't want to interact with people. Just please slide the food under the door But um me and me and my staff at the office were huge lovers of middle eastern food. So definitely um something we prefer turkish Yeah, see that that's a weird Um for us like I like turkish coffee or something like that. I know what you're saying But turkey is a bird to us in a country Somewhere else. So yeah, there there could be some Uh confusion if you wanted to eat some turkey or you wanted to eat something that was turkish. So Oh, it's good, but you smell. Yes. Yes, you definitely definitely smelling garlic. No doubt. No doubt yeah, michigan in detroit, uh just wild Selection of foods and things like that. We we have a big diverse ecosystem here No, I thought I had a picture of some of the All right, I'll figure that out later. I thought I had a picture of some of the restaurants in here Do I have any from Dearborn? Thought I had some of the Middle Eastern places in here Nope, maybe not Thought I did that's all right actually I have no idea what that is. It's that doesn't even look Middle Eastern I don't know what that is. I've seen if I had some pictures from at the restaurants there No worries. All right. Oh, let's see You say oh, uh used to try tabooly with fattustia or two of the most famous. Yes Uh, I also like kibby I've had I've even had raw kibby and I've had the football kibby. I don't know why it's to me I it's to me not understanding dialect. I know those are two different things Um, the kibbe I know they're pronounced difference, but I uh, I hear them as the same word I like both of them though. One is a raw meat. One looks like a football I always joke that they would be the perfect super bowl super bowl fluid Yeah, language is as hard fiber and fiber. Yes Yeah, there's uh, I own I uh, I don't always speak it perfectly well, but English is my primary language So all right. Well, thanks everyone for joining awesome having all of you here Uh, thank you for everyone who hit the like button before you left and uh, I will carry on and do more videos I have more stuff in the queue, of course Um, I'm slowly getting my cadence back learning the new editing software So I've been trying to publish more videos. Uh, you may have noticed I published a few youtube shorts I'm trying to get more into creating when I don't have time to create long form content Maybe create some shorter form content to kind of keep the things rolling. Uh and stuff like that. So Hopefully, uh, you like it. Let me know what you think of all that and uh, thanks awesome. Talk to everybody later