 It was like it was like I was connected with everything around me All of a sudden I just started questioning everything I'd ever been told You know by the time by the time I got high that very first time When it started to hit me And I'm like, well, welcome to reader syndicate. I'm Matthew the host I'm here with my friend and co-host not so dog and raho We got raho back and we're here with red rider a classic Colombian grower from ic mag and we're going to be talking with about about his history of growing columbians As well as other things and he's got a long storied past. Um, thank you for joining us red rider. It's a pleasure Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here with you guys so we We do have a little bit of a lag with the foreign connections. So what we might do for this interview Is raho knows red rider really well? So we're going to hopefully have raho ask some very leading questions Uh, and then allow red rider to just sort of like uh chat for a while on those things and then matt and I will chime in Here and there is needed So apologies for any of the technical difficulties, but it's going to be kind of raho knows what What to ask to get the the cool info out and red rider has the cool info. So we'll start there And and we decided to do it chronologically raho. So, uh, do you have the list in front of you? I do. I've uh pasted it up in the private chat section. Awesome. Thank you Um for every for all of us to kind of keep us on on track Um, hey, thanks for the toss not so and red. It's so great to to have you here with us um You know, I've been reading your story your life story for eight eight years now it seems like and um You've you've it's just been such an adventure to read that when I got uh introed, you know Hooked up with not so and action jacks in there matt Um, you know, that's what it says on his title on the screen if you're listening to the audio version of this, right? So, you know got hooked up with these guys. Um, I realized this is an opportunity for some of the some of my favorite people On the forums to try and you know get them To come and share their story in a different platform and um, you know, it's it's just great to have you joining us and sharing the info Um, you know, I remember some of the first stuff I I read from you was talking about You were you're a youth, you know, we're about the same age So you were smoking in the 70s and and uh and early 80s and and you were telling your stories about what it was like um You know your early days when you first got high and Some different experiences and places you lived around canoes Can you tell us a little bit about kind of those early days and um, how you got into weed? Oh, sure Uh, oh one more thing I was dude ranch in colorado when I was about 10 years old and uh, That was my first experience seeing cannabis. I didn't smoke it or get high but I noticed it was that they said it was even columbian, but uh We had a campfire everybody was sitting around and they were smoking it the older guys and everything and they really had a really good experience with it and of course it was uh A few years later when I actually smoked some and got high But uh, that was later when I I think it was a very similar story to like you were talking about where after school I I was riding home on the bus and this uh guy had some joints for sale and uh He said it's really really good man. I and and I gave him a dollar bought two of them It was wrapped in nice pink rolling papers And uh, when I got off the school bus, I had like a little entourage with me You know that was wanting to see what happened when we smoked it and uh, we went out in the woods and and uh, that was when I first really felt it and realized This is something I wanted to keep with me in my life Wow But it was mexican the first time we you know, I'm sure you remember that and Oh, I remember that whole that whole picture you just painted man I I can I can still I can picture the joints, you know the paper Look like it was so thick, you know, you couldn't see anything through it And the ends were probably spun and twisted and if if if it unspun the whole thing would just dump out, you know Because it was powdery in there and and the kids I can't even imagine the excitement of the kids kind of chasing along trying to find a place to hide And some bushes or some crap, you know as you were, you know, just the pure innocence of of that introduction moment And everything it's it's great rider. I love the story and I think we all identify with that Oh, yeah, that's very familiar going with your friends and everybody waiting to see who's going to smoke at first And who's gonna have the first reaction? Yeah, and of course, I guess that first time around the campfire Did you actually smoke with those older dudes and not experience not get high or was it you watched them Do it and thought oh, this is okay. Maybe I'll someday wait or you tried it Well, actually that was a this is a ghost story. We we were camping up in the mountains in colorado in between bale and uh steamboat springs and we were we were probably at 12 000 feet way up on top of this mountain and uh I I I just watched them smoke a little bit of it, but in the morning my cousin who was a little bit older than I Told me oh man, there were ghosts last night We didn't hear all the horses and all the indians and everything and I I look I'm no man. I remember any of that Wow, but apparently they woke up in the middle of the night hearing horses stampeding through the little Valley we were in And it just got louder and louder and louder and no nothing appeared and it scared the shit out all these guys But uh, I didn't hear any of it. I only heard the story and and they said man I do remember them saying man that columbian is like Like psychedelic, you know Nice, okay. So they heard things that you couldn't hear Yeah, it was a ghost story that that they used to tell and I was there when it happened But I I certainly didn't hear any horses or anything like that But I do remember that the smell of the weed was really really sweet something. I really like the smell of That's nice. Hey red, you know, I should have said this right at the beginning you're you know what my my Awareness of you and and your experience the story you're telling is going to be focused very much about columbian weed and the country of columbia And your love affair with both of those and and how that's where that's taken you right through life so um Because you've got a great story to tell there and most people, you know, if you're looking at you on there You're not you're not from columbia, right? You're an american from You know, I'm sorry. So start let's start talking about that that um that columbian weed You were saying what year was this the first time you smoked you didn't well Let me tell you about the first time and I left out an important character and that was becky Becky was a 16 year old. This was the last day of school And she when she found out I had the marijuana when I had the two joints her her Her disposition to me changed and she became very attentive and I was I suddenly realized that Man this weed really gets her excited. You know, she's really So we we walked down towards the lake with a little group of of smaller children following us And uh as we got to a certain place we lit up the joint and when I I noticed when we lit the joint all the little kids were going But I I gave it to her she took a couple big hits and she grabbed my arm and said hey come here And she put the joint in her mouth, you know for a shotgun Yeah, and gave me a big shotgun kiss Yeah And I felt it man. I mean I that shit that was the first hit of that joint But man, I felt it right away And we smoked the rest of that joint and we walked down to the I was high as hell. Everything was just Incredibly It was afternoon. The sun was out birds were out. We walked to this really secluded part of the lake And she just took her clothes off and went into the water And I was as women tend to do around all of us I didn't even know I didn't I should have jumped on that but I I didn't I was just too much and Wow, she said come on in so I went into my clothes But it was an excellent experience That shotgun that shotgun kiss is like was like the sexiest thing Yeah, right combining your two favorite things in the world Right up. It was a good way to get a girl to kiss you too. You know Oh, yeah Well, she and she did it. It was even better You know, yeah, but uh, all right. So then she goes She's in the water But I never told her I had another joint and I kept that other one I went back home and ate and I was with my parents and everything and I thought man I still have a whole another joint of that So I turned turned on my best friend. He's like my friend of 40 years 50 now and uh After that we started trying to grow it You know from all the seeds and we never really got any plants but But that started the my quest where I would divide by every week I was working then I was 13 that I had a job And every week when I got paid I'd go to the Yamaha dealership and uh The mechanic would sell me a nice lid of mexi, you know nice It was a great summer Yeah, yeah, we we rode dirt bikes all summer down by this lake and uh, we just get high I met some other guys that got me high down there with some really good like tie stick Wow But you know, I already knew there was really good weed around Even though all I could buy was you know shit weed But we were reading high times Yeah, and the high times I But to me high times was like a penthouse, you know, it's like I knew it existed But it wasn't what I was getting very much. Yeah. Yeah, they were Yeah Go ahead Oh, I was just I was just thinking, you know that um That's my exact same experience. I had a very good friend You know through high school as I was doing all this stuff You know side by side we were we were we were a real pair and it sounds like you had that that same experience I'm sure that's pretty common. You know, I think it's just so refreshing to get people to come on now who've been You know chasing this this thing for so long and who Who admit when they weren't a huge og og baller? And when things went wrong and how it was it they didn't start off, you know with 100 acres of You know of of stuff they they started off with three plants in a shadow and um You know and it changed everything, right? So I think I think you um, you know that honesty makes it just so refreshing compared to I mean, look, there are people out there who have done big big big stuff and I respect them I know it's real love here in the stories But there's also people out there front and that they're they're more than and were more than what they really were And I just like I like the honesty red, I guess So, uh, please continue down to one check and what happened was uh, the other I went I took them to my parents house who weren't there my parents weren't there And I tried to get them to come in to listen to some music and they said no I looked a little dangerous in the house and But the colombian girl uchi uchi She said yeah, I'll go in within One thing led to another and I started seeing her by herself And uh, one night I I bought some really good lumbo man I mean this was a good 50 45 dollar lid of lumbo and I thought it was just Really really good Yeah, and I uh was with her and I said look you have to try this you have to try this It's it's from your country man Yeah, and uh, believe it or not She took a hit of it and and threw it down at we were outside. She threw it on the ground and I was like, hey, whoa, that's my Yeah, what? But between her lovely cleavage. She pulled out a joint man and she said now this is good weed And she lit that shit up and that's when I really had some good good connoisseur columbian But also fell in love with her, you know, I mean it was kind of a combination thing there Yeah, I bet Oh, yeah, then I had to know more about columbia. I I but she left she was there for three weeks and went back to columbia Never heard from her again. Oh man That is the best columbian love story ever, right? I'm Read read read that is the best columbian love story ever. Oh my god, so awesome. Wow Wow, oh it goes on top that man What happened after that? Yeah, we we didn't get all of the american part of this story yet. Did we Now this was the the first time I got high and and I don't know why but I had smoked it before I mean I'd smoked weed before Yeah, yeah, but I think that's common for a lot of us like the first time we we smoke We don't quite know what to what we're what we're gonna experience We don't know how much to smoke We don't really maybe sometimes don't know how how to inhale correctly at that point depending on if we smoke cigarettes Or not by that age And I think it's our brain just doesn't know how to process it So we don't understand the high so like it takes three or four times to where you're like, ah, this is comfortable You know Yeah, then you you know what to expect. Yeah, exactly. That's great. You know when the boys in the lab codes start talking about cannabinoid receptors Yeah, you know from the end the endocannabinoid system and You think about the first time you flood those things with an external cannabinoid it's really cool because you know, mate, who knows maybe maybe like the first time you do that It's like, whoa, you know, you're cannabinoids are all Yeah, for personalizing them, right? There's you know, whoa You know, they're they're really reacting to this flood of cannabinoids. They don't know what to do with it Maybe they they shut down Yeah, the first time Right, maybe I'm blocking or something. Ah, I'm just throwing this shit out there, man That stuff we were smoking had been through hell before it got to us. So So if you uh writer, have you heard of something called chs out there? Um, can I think it's cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome No, it's fairly new and It's something that they've been pushing like so I've both my brother Uh, or and my cousin have gone to the ER recently with some cyclic vomiting kind of like I have too like and They the nurses keep pushing this idea that it's from Something called chs cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome So it's something and I started doing research into it and one of my good friends is an ER doctor and he's a he's a Smoker too. So he's been really researching this because he started having similar symptoms And from what they can tell early on the research thought they thought maybe it's from Crops sprayed with neem oil. Yeah But they're not sure if that really is the case. They're not sure if it's from, you know Heavy use of extracts since a lot of people randomly use extracts with flour and and it's just too much for our systems But whatever it is it's inducing A cyclical vomiting in people Just like day after day after day of endless puking in people But they just don't know why and and they call it cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome But realistically it could be related to terpenes It could be related to an unknown or untested for cannabinoid, you know, not thc But it could be, you know, of god knows what else but yeah, it's an interesting one that's going to be popping up more and more Yeah, maybe the presence of uh of foreign stuff and concentrates. I mean none of this really happened until there was a A legal market Yeah, um, there's a lot of causation You know um correlation causation type stuff. Yeah stuff. Yeah, probably going on but you know, I Did you uh talk to any of your family about the At theory I talked with you about about the effects of breathing super heated Shit from butane torches no, um, so Neither of them do that, but They they both are very heavy, um, like vape cartridge users Like the carts like the isolate cart shit, you know, remember the guy that That used to measure that used to measure this uh mystery oil and all the available butane on the market Yes, yeah That guy. Yeah, um, yeah Ah Yeah, I did I get frustrated with science these days because they all have These other agendas, you know, it's just like what where's the money coming from? Well, then I moved to florida because my father my stepmother lived in in west palm beach and uh That's where I I uh had the dan the painter man story. Uh, that's where the guy He was a drug dealer lived right upstairs and he was getting all these fantastic imports coming through south, uh, florida at the time And in fact, that's when I first saw the the first indica Oh, wow, what year? That was that was actually the spring of 1980. Oh nice. Perfect And I didn't know it was indica. Uh, as a matter of fact, uh, I I only read about indica in high times I I I really didn't know what it was And uh, I did grow plants. I started growing plants in texas in uh late 70s, but I didn't know how to do it I didn't know how to flower them or Or anything like that. Is that why you moved to columbia because they just you can't mess it up and uh, I started hanging in 2000 and and uh, two February, january 19 two met her online, you know, I met her online Had a night I I thought man, I want to I want to find a woman You know, I want to meet a woman and I thought where where should I find where what what woman would I want? So I started looking in columbia Uh, okay When I say looking there was a a program called I see her What was it? I see q I see q. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it allowed you to do specific searches women Between the age of this age speak english and I flooded every one of them with a generic letter saying hello My name's james. I'm a gringo I'm interested in meeting someone and I got many replies back yeah, pardon me and uh as I was Responding to these replies. I started talking to a woman in pope john Pope john is in the calca Calca the budget not the budget of calca the calca itself And this is a beautiful valley man. This is where you want to grow. This is where the creepy comes from the best Gotcha, and we'll get there But she lived in the middle of it and we weren't friends about weed. In fact, we didn't even talk about it but uh I my mother came one day and she said hey, uh, why don't you Uh go with uh, why don't you go meet her? You know, you're so in love and I said mom She lives in columbia for god's sake. There's no way Yeah, and my mother said oh a man. What kind of man are you, you know Go down there. You're awesome. Mom's gangster. I love it. Wow. Wow Follow your heart. I really wasn't taking Follow your heart. She says have love will travel This was after she had her aneurysm too. She was kind of Yeah, don't taste stock advice from her but uh, you know, go yeah, okay But as it turned out, I was talking to her and this was only a friendship I mean, I I didn't wasn't talking any kind of romance or anything But I said I'm I'm reserving the rooms. I'm gonna get you a room and get me a room She said no save the money. We'll just get one. I said, okay one with two beds and she said No, just get one bed And I was like You know, there goes the aggression in my mind. Yeah, right? I mean at least you know, what's up at that point But here's something very interesting She had a son that was about I don't know 17 years old And I got to talking to him one day. She wasn't there. He also spoke English And he said what are you doing with my mom? You know, and I said I I think I love her I want to go meet her, you know, and he said do you smoke weed and I said, yeah Yeah, he told me that where he lived was where they grew the best And he started showing me pictures on the webcam And it was just like what I remember and then I started getting that the the hunger for columbian again. Oh, wow But when I mentioned just reawakened it was always there, right when I saw the picture man It just flooded me with memories. Wow. Was this 95? This was no, no, actually, this was 2001 right right around 9-11 when 9-11 happened. Gotcha. It was right after that But anyway, I decided I'm gonna go down to columbia in february of 2002 And and I met this woman and yeah, I went in love with her man. I mean had the best I couldn't think of a better time But she didn't get high Yeah, and the third day I was there. I said, man, I'm gonna ask somebody, you know, hey, can you hook me up and She was like, don't do it there. You go crazy. It's it's a terrible drug and all this and I I said, no, it's not really listened to me. I know what I'm talking about. So I got some this guy said, yeah, I'll sell you back $20 about a quarter pound Yeah, beautiful beautiful nickel nickel size brown buds Yeah, and the smell I opened that bag and oh man, I was right back in the in the 70s, man Wow So I we had changed hotels to the hilton Some reason I got a really good rate on this beautiful Incredible room overlooking the lagoon and uh, tata hana And I wanted to roll that shit up First thing I did was I ran out on the balcony and got my papers and started breaking it down And I looked around and I thought where the where the hell is she at? And she had went in the bathroom and locked the door And I was like, don't worry. Don't worry, you know, I I lift that up and I got high as hell I knocked on the door, you know, I was like, hey, hey And uh, she said what she opened up the door and I standing there with an erection from hell, man This does this to you But it was a beautiful romantic experience with the columbian again again She locked the door was she so was she scared of like the consequences of someone might smell it and the cops coming or No, she was afraid it was gonna make me go crazy because They they don't think of drugs like we do they they really don't this is a narco state and the normal people the regular people don't They don't fuck with drugs. They just don't do it. Yeah. Yeah, alcoholics You know, you like drinking come here. They drink more than germans. Yeah You know, we have 22 holidays a year 22 You have five in the united states. Yeah So they're always is always a festival a party or a reason to get drunk Yeah, it makes sense. Don't smoke no weed Narco states are weird man and and it makes sense though because of the propaganda that the u.s. Had pushed down there so hard and Well, not just a big case to be here Not yeah for sure. It's uh, it's interesting though because you know by the by the 80s. I think most people In the country kind of realized it was Not true Yeah, but but yeah, there there were huge parts of the population that who just bought it hook line and sinker and uh You know, they just bought it and they passed it down to their children And they just repeated its myths and it's uh very powerful. I mean that much you must she was scared, right? She was legitimately scared you were going to come back and be like the crazy guy from Playing the piano and reefer madness, you know While we're here in In like the the dea propaganda territory. Why don't we cover some of the uh parts about The perceptions of columbia and the dangerous parts like how dangerous it is Or isn't to go there and the perception from america and that and your your fears when you first went there What were your concerns? You know, uh when I was doing a lot of traveling in south america in the 90s columbia was the one place I didn't go Because it was so sketchy then Right now it seems like very comfortable and nice and there's all kinds of travel in and out But it was by far the most violent and sketchy place You know in the 90s at least In the 90s was Pablo Escobar No, it was it was like I mean my dad has some crazy stories, but of of going there all gone business and stuff So, you know now it's like reversed. I went to venezuela because uh, columbia was trashed And now it's reversed like nobody goes to venezuela and columbia is like super nice and like beautiful And i'm sure it was then too. It just was not so accessible You know, well, you gotta be careful I mean if you if you if you come down here and you go on the street and act like a fool act like a rock star You're you're gonna get they're gonna get you But if you're if you're polite respectful and not stupid a lot of guys get jacked when they come down here Buying cocaine or buying prostitutes and that's how they get you with the women You've heard us uh The drug that uh, I forget what they call it, but they blow this stuff in your face and rob you Well scopalamine Oh, is that like deterrent powders scopalamine? Yeah Jen Jen we speak papers When I uh when I would travel in central and south america Um, you know, I would wear crappy clothes You know, I would I would not I would not want to know this is like way nice like I well, I mean you just like growing up in a big city. I just wanted to not look like a mark Yeah, that's what I do. I blend in. I mean I I've worked here. I've lived in the worst barrios in bogota I mean, this is the red light zone where it's very cheap prostitutes really a bad area Yeah, and I never had a problem because I was just very Conscious of what was going on around me. I never had anything to steal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah The only thing I have That's a value is weed and here weed doesn't have very much value. But to me, it's worth more than money. Sure Like I said the first my first love in 1977 was 78 Or was it 79 with the first columbian girl that I met uchi ryan She smoked but she was from a very rich family As in regards to security a lot of it's common sense man If you want to go out and play the fool you want to go out and and hook up with prostitutes on tinder Shit like that. You're gonna get jacked, you know You walk down the street counting your money speaking in english You're gonna get jacked. They'll come right out in the middle of the day The police only protect you here if you're paying them There is yeah Wow, so good No, that's uh, I mean, that's a nice direct contract At least, you know, you can get protection, you know, I mean You know, I don't know if you could do that in the states In a third It's not it's not any more dangerous than if you walk down downtown st. Louis or folton county, atlanta Oh, you're gonna get jack quicker there because you look different Yeah Matt no, no Man, you look like a paisa guy. You look like you're from indigene, man. You're right. Yeah, I could probably pass down there pretty good Yeah, good Until they heard me speak Spanish or yeah, any of that then they just that's when they know I'm gonna borrow Jorge Cervantes's wig when I go. Yeah, that'll get you anywhere Yeah, I'll blend I'll blend right in But let me tell you The colombian people in general are very very friendly very welcoming very hospitable they love foreigners the the girls are really attracted to to North americans, you know And they're they want to be friends with americans colombia is a very They believe the united states is a great great country and helps them All right, so we're down we're down in florida, right? Um We're down in florida don the painter is upstairs slinging Right slinging weed and whatever else You you try you tried indica and you're growing All this has happened in florida, right? Yeah, this was bokeh retone I remember going to see bob seager and silver bullet ban, uh and easter It was a big concert at hollywood sportatorium And I remember I had to have a bag of gold to take with me to impress everybody Yeah, right. Yeah, I did and dan scored me some but it was more orange It wasn't the gold like I had in texas. This is more of an or is good. It was really good but different Yeah, yeah, we went to that concert and there was some beautiful hippy chick that came up to us and said Hey, you look like you need an easter kiss And uh, my brother was on that like like that Yeah But actually I tried some uh another columbian that she she just gave us a bag of weed and it was really nice It was green though real green columbian had the smell had the taste But yeah, dan dan got every kind of thing. He got the the gainsville green I don't know if you guys ever heard of that Can you talk about that a little bit like your early experience with the smell? Maybe possibly describe the smell and look of gainsville green or what you thought might be in it Yeah, well gainsville green reminded me now of what I what I grow is wahakan It's very similar, but it wasn't similar to wahakan back then Yeah, it it was green and it was sense of media and it had a real piney I don't know how it's real piney's piney real nice high real real clear That's what I like is clear clarity Yeah Which unfortunately most columbians weren't back then the the red was like a really really dirty high kind of But uh, you know the gainsville green the Maui the Maui wowie Yeah, yeah Came in a came in a can of nuts And oh wow Yeah Yeah, I mean I I read that they are heard that you know like uh shipping it over in macadamia nut cans was a big thing That's so wild at the full tap top open it up and just incredible It makes sense for smell till I hide the smell everything smart It was teasing me with it. He started to let me smell it pull it away. Oh no, no Yeah, yeah, but they never found his body Yeah, yep never saw it again. Hey, um I'm sorry. So start let's start talking about that that um that columbian weed you were saying what what year was this The first time you smoked you didn't well Let me tell you about the first time and I I left out an important character and that was becky Becky was a 16 year old. This was the last day of school And she when she found out I had the marijuana when I had the two joints uh her her Her disposition to me changed and she became very attentive and I was I I suddenly realized that Man this weed really gets her excited, you know, she's really So we we walked down towards the lake with a little group of uh smaller children following us And uh as we got to a certain place we lit up the joint and when I I noticed when we lit the joint all the little kids were gone But I I I gave it to her she took a couple big hits and she grabbed my arm and said hey come here And she put the joint in her mouth, you know for a shotgun Yeah, and gave me a big shotgun kiss Yeah, and I felt it man. I mean I that was the first hit of that joint, but man I felt it right away And we smoked the rest of that joint and we walked down to the I was high as hell. Everything was just Incredibly It was afternoon. The sun was out birds were out We walked to this really secluded part of the lake And she just took her clothes off and went into the water And I was as women tend to do around all of us And I didn't even know I didn't I should have jumped on that but I I didn't I was just too much in Wow, and she said come on in so I went into my clothes But it was an excellent experience That shotgun that shotgun kiss is like was like the sexiest thing Yeah, right combining your two favorite things in the world Right up. It was a good way to get a girl to kiss you too. You know, oh, yeah Well, she and she did it. It was even better Yeah, but uh, all right. So then she goes she's in the water But I never told her I had another joint and I kept that other one I went back home and ate and I was with my parents and everything and I thought man I still have a whole another joint of that So I turned turned on my best friend. He's like my friend of 40 years 50 now and After that we started trying to grow it You know from all the seeds and we never really got any plants but But that started the my quest where I would buy buy every week I was working then I was 13 that I had a job And every week when I got paid I'd go to the Yamaha dealership and uh The mechanic would sell me a nice lid of mexi, you know nice It was a great summer Yeah, we we rode dirt bikes all summer down by this lake and uh, we just get high I met some other guys that got me high down there with some really good like tie stick Wow But you know, I already knew there was really good weed around Even though all I could buy was you know shit weed But we were reading high times Yeah, and the high times I But to me high times was like a penthouse, you know, it's like I knew it existed But it wasn't what I was getting very much. Yeah. Yeah, they were Yeah Go ahead Oh, I was just I was just thinking, you know that um That's my exact same experience. I had a very good friend You know through high school as I was doing all this stuff, you know side by side. We were we were We were a real pair and it sounds like you had that that same experience. I'm sure that's pretty common You know, I think it's just so refreshing to get people to come on now who've been, you know Chasing this this thing for so long and who Who admit when they weren't a huge og og baller And when things went wrong And how it was it they didn't start off, you know with a hundred acres of You know of stuff they they started off with three plants in a shadow and um You know and it changed everything right so I think I think you Um, you know that honesty makes it just so refreshing compared to I mean look There are people out there who have done big big big stuff and I respect them I know it's real love here in the stories But there's also people out there front and that they're they're more than and were more than what they really were And I just like I like the honesty red. I guess so uh, please continue Yeah, we we didn't get all of the american part of this story yet. Did we Now this was the the first time I got high and and I don't know why but I had smoked it before I mean I'd smoked weed before yeah Yeah, but I think that's common for a lot of us like the first time we we smoke We don't quite know what to what we're what we're gonna experience We don't know how much to smoke We don't really maybe sometimes don't know how how to inhale correctly at that point depending on if we smoke cigarettes Or not by that age And I think it's our brain just doesn't know how to process it. So we don't understand the high So like it takes three or four times to where you're like, this is comfortable You know Yeah, then you you know what to expect. Yeah, exactly. That's great. You know when the boys in the lab coat start talking about cannabinoid receptors Yeah, you know from the end the endocannabinoid system and You think about the first time you flood those things with an external cannabinoid It's really cool because you know, mate, who knows maybe maybe like the first time you do that It's like, whoa, you know, your cannabinoids are all Yeah Personalizing them, right? There's you know, whoa You know, they're they're really reacting to this flood of cannabinoids. They don't know what to do with it Maybe they they shut down Yeah, the first time right maybe I'm blocking or something I'm just throwing this shit out there, man That stuff we were smoking had been through hell before it got to us. So So have if you uh writer, have you heard of something called chs out there? Can I think it's cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome? No, it's fairly new and It's something that they've been pushing like so I've both my brother Or and my cousin have gone to the ER recently with some cyclic vomiting kind of like I have too like and They the nurses keep pushing this idea that it's from Something called chs cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome So it's something and I started doing research into it and one of my good friends is an ER doctor and he's a he's a Smoker too. So he's been really researching this because he started having similar symptoms And from what they can tell early on the research thought they thought maybe it's from Crops sprayed with neem oil. Yeah But they're not sure if that really is the case. They're not sure if it's from, you know Heavy use of extracts since a lot of people who randomly use extracts with flour and and it's just too much for our systems But whatever it is it's inducing A cyclical vomiting in people Just like day after day after day of endless puking in people But they just don't know why and and they call it cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome But realistically it could be related to terpenes. It could be related to an unknown or an untested for cannabinoid You know not thc, but it could be you know of god knows what else But yeah, it's an interesting one that's going to be popping up more and more Yeah, maybe the presence of uh of foreign stuff and concentrates. I mean none of this really happened until there was a Yes a legal market Yeah There's a lot of causation You know um correlation causation type stuff. Yeah stuff. Yeah, probably going on but you know Did you uh talk to any of your family about the At theory I talked with you about about the effects of breathing super heated Shit from butane torches no, um, so Neither of them do that, but They they both are very heavy Like vape cartridge users Like the cart like the isolate cart shit, you know, remember the guy that That used to measure that used to measure this uh mystery oil and all the available butane on the market Yes, yeah That guy. Yeah, um, yeah Ah Yeah, I did I get frustrated with science these days because they all have These other agendas, you know, it's just like Where's the money coming from since you're familiar with all the mexicans and everything do you when you use uh That malwy um the can of malwy did it did it remind you were there any mexican traits to the any any similarity at all? No, I never had cannabis like that before or since it had a Real flowery You could feel the islands in it. You could feel that tropical sunshine When you hit it, I didn't get very much He I couldn't buy it. It was too expensive But I would just kind of hang around when other people would buy it so I could taste it. Yeah, right But uh, yeah that and there was there was other ones that was right about when we started seeing indica and everybody was really Impressed oh it tastes like black hash and yeah, it was a real narcotic high Yep, but uh, all I could really afford was the mexicans now. There were good mexicans, but most of them were I don't know why they imported it really. I yeah, it was a transition period, you know, while markets were shaking out Um, but you know that colombo that we used to get imported hell man Half of that stuff was seeds is so I was thinking about what we used to do with that stuff You know people would just throw handfuls of that fresh columbian seed out in their yard And just have big not the porch. Yeah. Yeah I mean it seemed like half the weight they got imported was seed and how tragic it was that we just you know That's interesting what you just said about um, you know You were talking about how uplifting and clear the awoken was and and and you know the way you said it that you know You know the columbian just wasn't like that. It was You know people don't realize that yeah, it was uh, it was uh, you know, it was groggy Was the way it felt a lot of times. Is that a good word for it? Yeah, but some of the real high quality the goals were spiritual man And some of the red bud was really really good, but dirty a little dirty at them and if you And if all you ever smoked was the was the the low end stuff You wouldn't recognize, you know If it that it had some of that same stuff that the high end had in it But it was just kind of buried under a layer of just you know bad handling and and you know, we're totally harsh Yeah, yeah, it was yeah, it was just crap, you know, but it had it was still there But you had it just to even recognize that you had to have had the good stuff at some point say oh, that's Oh, it's in there, you know, anyway, sorry. I'm sidetracking. No, that's that's fine. I remember uh Right when uh, I can't this is 1980. I joined the military in 80 eventually But before that I I went I went back to texas And I my brother my cousin had this friend named jade that was kind of a jock kind of a sports guy And he needed somebody to ride with him from dallas to uh, houston to pick up some Uh, panama red. He said it was supposed to be real panama red And of course I jumped on it man. I wanted to ride with him and and we shot right down to bay town and and I remember he went into this real uh Real rough barn and tugboat annings is like a biker bar, man and people getting shot in there and everything but He he bought the pound and we we cruised on back to dallas and uh Like I said, I don't know if it was really panama red. It seemed to me like it was just real good columbian red But he was selling it back then that he was selling that for a hundred uh an ounce You know, it seems like the red Maybe the red was all biker controlled or something I mean, I I don't know, uh I got more stories. My my older brother was a wholesale dealer in 78 And uh, he was bringing in Truckloads of the mexican shit. We you know the brick stuff But he also had a private stash and this is where I first saw california cinemia And I saw a really good gold really good columbians. This was the top of the line that you could get And uh, I remember one time I asked him. I said man, which is what is this cinemagia? What is this stuff and he said it's it's primo and and he said but this is better And he had some columbian red butt and this stuff would make you feel I can't describe it. It just made fixed you healed your body healed your mind And it was really clean really clean, uh, you know secondary and everything Of course, I also found out about cocaine from him, too That was also really clean really pure. Yeah Well, he didn't know about it. All right one morning I got up for school and I opened up the refrigerator and all these little envelopes fall onto the floor And I thought what what is this man and I poured one up We had a big glass kitchen table and I Ported it on the table and I said what is this next thing, you know, I go to school And my friend this girl that I wasn't Romantic with but I guess she thought that she saw that she said we're not going to school today. Come on We sniffed it all day, but that was a she knew what to do with it Unfortunately my brother got busted Uh Therefore, uh, not for he didn't have any drugs, but the guy that he was running around with knew an undercover cop And they were going to rob him my brother didn't know it My brother thought he was going to really make a sale And when they went to meet the cop Uh, the the friend of my brother pulled out a pistol and killed him And the woods were all wired with police and uh, I didn't see my brother for about five years after that Wow Except for my brother who was he was uh, like a rock star. He thought he was like a rock star and Yeah, he He would say try this. This is 82 82 is what yeah Yeah, you see I was in europe right when uh, the last of the great, uh Import hash, you know the afghanis the pakis Lebanese we used to get red lebanese that was like Gum like big red gum it was soft and you could bend it It was just we called it choking red. It would light your lungs up Yeah, didn't they there was rumors it was mixed with gum arabic Oh interesting. Yeah, that would light your lungs up, wouldn't it that was real soft Yeah, it could well, but it could also get hard as a rock too I mean if you got it soft and you were getting good stuff Everything we got of that lebanese and that was pretty much all that was around where we were It was hard as rock and it barely got you high and so it might have cbd in it I mean the black It was my golden red my experience is that um Or from everything i've been able to gather is that like europe got the far better hash Canada got some sometimes some relatively decent hash And the united states and the united states got the got the shit that stuck to your shoe They got the c grade and the d grade everything that they couldn't sell in canada and europe They were like we'll send to america because they'll take anything So maybe you could talk about that for a second So you were in when you were in your when you were stationed in europe You got to experience a bunch of of hashish Oh, yes I was stationed in an infantry battalion in bomb holder wet that was west germany then And uh, I mean we were always out in the field. I was in the infantry So we were always camping out and all this shit But uh, we would get uh, what they'd call a plate a plate was about 200 dollars and it was 100 grams And or we'd get a piece and a piece would be 20 dollars, but it could be one gram or three grams And this was all in the barracks, you know, this is all with our service guys No germans or anything. No, you're no you're in tests for cannabis back then, right? Pardon me. No, you're in tests for cannabis back then No, but that's when they started and that's when you know, I I found out then that the military frowned on this behavior Had you told me was that not right? It was did I do something wrong? And it was like Because nobody's seen weed there none of the germans nobody had weed we were selling it for 25 dollars a joint This guy was selling joints for 25 dollars and I was buying a hundred dollars man. I was like, yeah But it was excellent. I'd like I'd go into some of the the uh Gosthoff's, you know where they had the bar and all this stuff and I just light one up because the smell was so different It didn't smell like hash Then we'd smoke it publicly What did it smell like? smell of columbia Damn it, that's not helpful rider You didn't you just know what matt was saying the whole time about I don't know what I don't know You guys are talking about this mystery magic and you know, it's like you can see something I can't see you got to give them something to something to bite into man. What what did it smell taste? Come on, man Well gentlemen, I'm gonna tell you something right now that that you will experience that taste and you will experience Pretty soon because I'm I've been growing it I know how to cure it. I know how to do everything now. It's legal. I'm gonna send you some You're stopped piling it like a prepper down there, huh? I mean One thing, you know, when we had our little gathering recent When we had our little gathering recently or whatever Uh, one of the clear things that comes up is you can get people that have that have been in cannabis their whole life Um and describing taste and aroma is almost everyone's weak point You know, you're like, what does it taste like? What does it smell like and to you? You could be like, oh, this reminds me of 1978 or this smells clearly like what I remember Yeah, but if you try to piece together what that smell is the language is insufficient. Yeah There's a special language for that stuff and you know, it's um And some of it is just experiential, you know, like when you talk about baby poo I think you were saying the other day not so about the smell of baby poo, right? Yeah People think that this is some you know, some other way to say skunk or that they're imagining something that they see on a toilet paper After they do their business, but it's not it man. It's a holes It's a if you've never had a kid or been around little babies You know, you don't you'll never smell that smell anywhere. Yeah, I that is no frame of reference to me Yeah I had three kids in four years. So the smell of young kid baby poo is is uh pretty Pretty, you know, that was that was daily life for quite some time And it triggers and it triggers emotional, you know memory response to you know, that that smell It's all connected to the whole thing like i'm a daddy You know But um, yeah, so I mean red we can do better than that, right? I mean, so you're talking about gold sandalwood is is uh, is You know, one of those woody smells. I can associate Okay The the really blonde gold to me had a a sandalwood incense burnt almost caramel almost sweet but not sweet And uh, it was really good. It had a different flavor on the exhale that was that was kind of addictive I you'd want to taste it again and again And the the ones like the purples they didn't have a fruity flavor or smell like you'd think looking at it but it would have more like again a woody but not cedar more like just uh a wood Wood incense taste and the reds were very cedar tasting with a delicious, uh I can't taste like a burnt malt almost You know That burnt malt like a like a room All right, we're cutting in and out again 40 Sorry, hey, hey, um, so yeah, you got laggy again, and then I tried to talk So hey that burnt malt is that like a loamy kind of a peat But but let me tell you uh when I was growing up my in texas my my uncle was really wealthy and I had two cousins and one was a little bit older than I was and the other one was my age But my uncle when we got summer vacation That was just time we had to go to work for him and he owned these big properties very close to dfw airport And it was our job to mow them and I don't mean with a lawnmower. I mean with a four cutter tractor And it was extremely hot man. I mean no shade nothing. You were out there 12 hours sun up sundown and uh A lot of times they'd go when we didn't have something to cut my my aunt and uncle would leave early for work and We'd get up and uh one morning go sit out on the the front porch and smoke a cigarette smoke cigarettes And one morning I was I just got up and I went outside and the air conditioning Have you ever been in in in really hot climate and you're in the air conditioning to go outside and At first it feels good. You know like I'm getting warm But I was sitting out there and I had my marlboro red and I was smoking it with my cousin the same age as me And my older cousin came out and said hey man roll a joint. He threw me a bag A little bit of a baggie And I opened it up and I said what the fuck is this? It was yellow I mean it wasn't green at all. There was no green or brown in it. It was yellow. It was real columbian gold What are you talking about powder? Was it was it flakes chips strings chunks nugs? What would it look like? It didn't look real pretty but it there was just a color of it and full of seeds just like the mexican But it wasn't real hard compressed. It was like flat buds. So it was busted up, but it had been pressed Yeah, it had been pressed and they I guess he had broken it up But and it was only about a gram and a half. It wasn't very much Cool, and I told him I said I don't think there's a joint here And he said bullshit man. He said he sat down and rolled a pin joint. You guys know that word pin joint Yeah, man little tiny Like in the chichin chong movie. That's a toothpick man. No, that's a joint Yeah But he we sparked that up and let me tell you I got a little bit more Some words more adjectives to describe the taste and smell But this had a cardboard almost like a cardboard coca-cola And it had a hash taste similar to the lebanese blonde Yeah, oh interesting Yeah, and uh, it was a really really different taste and I mean the the mexican we got had no terpenes It was like hey, it tastes like grass Really grass That hashing this is That hashing this is what I keep asking people if they think that there might be indica in In colombian gold, you know san amato, whatever Because that it was very real that it was Hashing keep going and it was heavy it had a had a more I'll go into that later because there's a something I'd like to talk about how the these uh air looms columbians Atturred and I believe that happened about 150 years ago. They they weren't indigenous But but anyway, so we we I took one hit off of that and this is where we get the expression Expand though because it got in your lungs And man, you couldn't hold it in you got cough it out cough it out And next thing I know I was higher than you could I have ever been in my life. I mean I my eyes Everything were trash And my uncle told and said we had to go out and cut this pasture and I said man, I I can't do it. I'm too fun You have to go work now My cousin was like come on smoke some more. You'll be all right power through yeah But the thing is my uncle took us out in the middle of nowhere with the tractor on the trailer and And he gave us a cooler and I thought there'd be you know gatorade or something like that, but it was Coors beer this before cell phones. So if anything happened you were walking back Yeah, yeah, if you cut your hand off or something We drank all that beer and got so drunk man. I mean just absolutely wasted but by four o'clock the sun was I mean it was a terrible hangover Yeah, I bet and we smoked the rest of that we didn't finish that little pin joint We smoked the other half of it at the end of the day and trashed me again I Remember my uncle my uncle gave us a little 38 caliber revolver in case there was a snake or something You know, I remember smoking that joint and I was looking at my other cousin going you know how to dance boy Oh, no You have a kid's revolver. Yeah kingpin from an early age Right, but but that was when I first had good good columbian There was other columbian before that that I tried but it wasn't like this. This was really Different and I believe I do believe that there's indica in it Oh, sweet finally somebody to agree with me on this crap that was there I mean the taste shirt the taste shirt Suggested right the hash flavor the hit the hit was just Boom and look, I remember I simple phone are saying indica, right? I mean, I don't want to You know, I mean wide leaf indica hat all these things. I'm sorry. Keep going. So remember when Uh now uh in the in the late 20s There were several pharmaceutical companies that came through la wahia in santa marga and the peninsula la wahia And one of them was bear And what they brought with them? This is all factual. This all really happened And they brought with them what was called uh indian hemp And this was indica from indica india Are there pictures of what several years they had developed one of the strongest cannabinoid producing plants They that had ever been discovered up till then even better than in in india Yeah But at the same time That was right when marijuana was demonized in the united states and all Cannabis medicine was pulled, you know, they in the beginning of the 30s. They they started So they all pulled out all these pharmaceutical companies, but the the camposinos the colombians they they kept the seeds Yeah, and they kept growing it, you know And by the late 50s early 60s, they had a product that was superior man. I mean this shit would knock you on your ass Now and that's when they started exporting what part of the country was The kind of the epicenter for this Well, this this from what I understand was all and on the coast santa marga and la wahia Which is a peninsula that goes out Uh close to venezuela Now when i've thrown this out to people before they said, you know, santa marga is an unlikely place for a big pharma company to go Locate an operation like this, you know, they're big businesses do things big business way He just said it didn't seem to click right with that. What what what do you think about that? Well, I believe it's pretty much a fact and is documented that they were in santa marga. I don't know if they actually have Yeah, I don't know if they had the plantations there Let me tell you the santa marga This this entire cordella that goes up. It's the highest coastal range in the world. It goes from sea level up to 20 something thousand feet snow-capped mountains. Yeah, there's a million micro climates there and it's inaccessible It's still very remote to go there. You have to hike in and everything else So I I can see there and la vahia, you know, that's where they were exporting all the gold They were they were actually using tractors to to farm the cannabis there Oh, wow Yeah So nothing Contrasted with afghanistan, you know, or india. I don't know, you know, in the climate. I'm just wondering how How how much selection pressure the difference in the climate really placed on the these foreign strains that they'd brought there, you know What what what survived what thrived in the new New world, right? And how did that turn out looking 20 years later? And was it by the hand of man or You know, where these things that was it done in two crosses and then sat in a freezer I mean because that happens a lot Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah from from my experience of of growing here Uh environments everything. I mean genetics are a good 50 percent But the other 50 percent Is the environment and I've taken a clone the same clone and brought it down 500 meters to a different location It's a very very close to the original but 500 meters down Totally different plant. Yeah. Yeah, totally different morphology I mean it still has what I what I did it with was my uh It's a train wreck Panama that I really like and I grew a clone in zippie con And I took another clone down the katsu pie, which is down in the valley about 500 meters Lower and the guy grew it for me and we compared buds and everything and it was different is really different Wow, that's wild like um, did you get to see the difference in the the leap width? Between the morphology. Well, yeah Yeah, the the no, I really can't say there was a difference in that But they were shorter and swatter the higher up it went and the lower you go down the more they try to get bigger and bushier See I could grow right now at a much lower elevation and it'd probably be a lot easier But the pathogens and the insects are or and I don't want to live there. I don't want to live in a Like Yeah, I could understand that Yeah, so it's got a That's that's a big part of it, right? Why you went down there and everything Absolutely still is quality of life I'm still looking for that perfect that just that niche You know perfect sure Topology is very important. Colombia is like Mexico. It's really really mountainous Is there bamboo or they're like big ban? We could build a giant bamboo freaking like master command center Kind of jutting out of a hillside all all cantilevered and stuff, you know with big big support beams and and we'd have a view of the whole valley underneath us and uh the sound of of you know, like bongo drums would be playing in the background non stop And the smoke would waft through the air Oh, yeah, but occasionally Uh You'd run into other kinds tie in particular tie stick I I never owned a tie stick, but I smoked a little bit of it And uh, there was a bunch of good mexicans jamaican. We used to get real jamaican that was pretty good at first Real seedy brown, but had a had a really uplifting clean high All right. We'll put a time put a timestamp on that because you know when when was it good and then it wasn't good What's can you help us with that? It was good around when I first tried it around 77 I it was pretty good. It was good. It's better than maybe or equal to good columbian and by 1982 When I returned to the united states, it was shit man. It wasn't it was all seeds. It wasn't any good Yeah, 82 and later, right? Yeah, and 82 was when I started really seeing Sinsa media the columbian was pretty much gone It was all a sense of media I seem to remember a story about that the columbians started using jamaica as a waypoint for smoke Or somebody in south america started using jamaica as a stopover point for smuggling Powders into the u.s. And it and it really changed the the whole environment Maybe maybe your supply line of of the good stuff from the island was just interrupted and and that it still existed there But you guys just weren't getting that's always a possibility, right? Yeah, well, like I said, I had a very limited I I didn't know big like mad jag I didn't know big people like that. I just know people on the street Newzers regular guy That's high pictured. Anyway, so don't spoil it with any of this Let me tell you a quick quick story about bamboo and in kachupai. What are we gonna do man? We're Kachupai, we're what's kachupai? kachupai is Lower elevation than zepetan. It's on the same road. It's on the same. It's a camino real It's an ancient road spanish road Sweet, but uh, so that's out of the out of the below the cloud layer Yes, this is this is below that cloud layer. Now you're getting down into about 1,500 meters Where zepetan is up around 2,000 meters And bogata is 2,700 meters So it's going up. You're going up this giant plateau Wow When how far how far in um Preferably in miles because I don't understand kilometers a bit because I'm a dumb american but But how far from bogata are you when you're talking about zepo con from Like bogata miles wide Uh, well, everything's about two hours distance. Okay. Yeah, that's helpful But two hours like driving up a mountain that's crazy roads or Well, maybe one hour of it the other We have really good auto bond quality roads here really highway super highways It's when you get into the road that goes from the main highway down to zepetan that it starts getting to be like a real twisty I mean, it's it's it's safe, but there's always rock slides and It's safe. Don't worry about it. Just some rock slides No poison spiders. Are there are there like a lot of poison spiders down there because australia is filled with those things, so Now I got bit by some kind of spider and zepetan got sick and went to the doctor that gave me some kind of antihistamine That almost gave me a heart attack, but No, I never see them very much Because I'm talking altitude Where I am there's no flies. No spiders. It's clean beautiful temperate climate So you met this guy's got it figured out I know Yeah, that's the first thing I asked him. It wasn't about the safety. It was how bad are the insects? I'm terrified of insects. I could take humans. I'm okay with I can deal with bad insects. They suck man It's an army. They're marching the earth right now. They have a plan You know We don't even notice it's happening around us because their their timeline is just completely different from humans Yeah, pretty soon We're all going to realize. Yeah, it's too late They're also edible They are edible They better watch us. Yeah But let me tell you this about this adventure with ruth. Uh ruth is my columbian partner here business partner And uh one day we were going to get bamboo for the plant supports, you know, so we could tie the plants up with it And we go to kachi pine. She starts talking to this guy random guy on the street And he's like, yeah, man. I know where the bamboo is, you know, so he hops in the truck And we start going down the valley and he says keep going keep going. We're passing this store passing that store Now suddenly we're in the middle of this giant bamboo grove It's all bamboo And he jumps we were looking for a store to buy it, you know No, man, I'll chop it down for you right Yeah, wow handpick only the good stuff How big was it? How big was it? I'm just curious what, you know, well, it's not actually bamboo It's it's some other plant that's similar to bamboo that grows here, but it was about that big in diameter. It was a good size tubes Yeah, that's no joke. Wow But uh, it was a fun adventure because this guy was like kept saying we're going I just wonder where the hell is this guy taking us, man Well, speaking of where is he taking us? It seems like you've taken us to columbia already at this point How did we get there? Just timeline in it, right? That's How are we chopping things around? Yeah, so are they doing are they doing big indoor operations down there? And is that affordable like kilowatt hour? price Yeah I mean that's available Oh, yeah, they they the reason cannabis foreign cannabis companies come here is to exploit the people Because here the people work for a hundred dollars a month and that's a pretty good rate Yeah, and the the electricity is real cheap here God how blind, you know, I mean how big big industry rolls into You know the the hot bed of cannabis in the world, you know besides Thailand probably right now and they ignore the natural the natural treasure that is that lives only there And uh, see it just as another as another uh resource pit to be steamrolled Exploitation What a what a nightmare Like every commodity Okay, but let me tell you what they do There's a big german company gmw laboratories right here in pipa And they have uh, I don't know if I guess it's about 10 acres of greenhouses and What they do is run Non-psychoactive and it's all on hydro hydroponics in greenhouses It's set up Hold on. They're growing hemp with hydro in greenhouses Wait Well, it's non-psychoactive. It's to me. It's hemp, but it's yeah, that's yeah It's like candy dog Okay. Yeah, harlequin and acdc harlequin uh, all the the what's the other one the Charlotte's web all those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are these are ones. I don't want to work with them I don't really even like I have many of them and I don't really even want to grow any more of it No, yeah But that that here's the kicker when I went there they're all wanting me to help them and everything and I'm doing the tour. I'm wearing this This hepa suit or something, you know with all this stuff on and Yeah, and uh, I really didn't like it and they said, okay, here's where we do our drying We put it in the drying oven for 24 hours And I looked at them drying oven. What the fuck dude? Yeah And this young young columbian guy comes out. He's in this scientist outfit And I said, what do you do man? Don't you even understand? He destroys all those beautiful volatile terpenes and things And he had no concept of that Well, he does he did after he talked to you Yeah, well now now it's changed and they've gone to uh, uh dry freezing Which I think is a very better change because they're getting but it's still non psychoactive. It's all cbd Yeah, and it's all sitting in a warehouse. They haven't sold one gram Yeah, sounds like the the united states Coming coming to a gas station near you Yeah, exactly like When I when I did that big hemp reversal and got to go out to the big fields and stuff and see what they did at the with the end product It was literally tossed in fields of dirt with goat heads in it just piled up Not even in crates just dirt on the dirt And they just had people come scoop it up turn it into isolate move it on and biomass I was just my was mind-blowing how it was kept not even in crates in the dirt just In the dirt out in the open fields just to get Everything was gross That's why I have no interest in big big operations I I don't want to be involved. I don't want to talk to those people What I enjoy is growing the best that I can and teaching the young people. I know how to do what I do It's a completely different craft in my opinion. Like it's a totally different They're almost unrelated except that they happen to work with a similar plant When when you come when you come and see me and you smoke with me, you'll know the difference You'll know what I'm you'll you'll see the light you I can tell you I can draw you pictures send your videos But do you hit that? Do you hit it with me? That's the only way to truly tell it really is hey, man I've got a question about, you know the emerging columbian Commercial scene right so they're they're I assume read they're gonna start having dispensaries and stuff pop up and it's and Retail, you know, it's going to become a retail product um, you know fancy packaging and everything like it does everywhere else to fill our landfills, but um So matt, I mean you saw it out in california um, I'm sure you have some thoughts about the the dispensaries as the kind of taste maker uh, the opinion shaper for in a in a Commercial legal recreational market like that, you know, do people just buy what they're pointed to when they walk into the store Yes, and and is it all just about looks and and nothing about effect Nothing like am I? Yeah, in california the way i've always seen it work and i've been to a lot of different places and a lot of different cities even in even in colorado and uh, origan, it's A bud tender who has zero experience or knowledge in my opinion. I've never met It's so rare unless it's like a friend that I've had Like kind of put into a dispensary that I know knows their stuff and that's so rare but I just never really just on occasion met someone that really knew what they were talking about. I'd see oh, you want a hybrid But even if you want to be sleepy get a hybrid Are they even Are are they even gonna have anything though? I mean are they would they even have in their uh, uh, they wouldn't know I mean, even if they did they wouldn't know 16 week No, they wouldn't have that There's no way there's no way because they'd be paying nobody grows out here So, I mean how does how does colombia do it different? What what kind of changes could you know? I mean if if you had it to do over again matt you've seen it up close and personal I mean how would how would how can it be done differently to And I this seems like a sidetrack, but I think red Has kind of a vested interest in this stuff and and you've got knowledge and experience You know, I I don't know that I would be the right person to ask on how to do it different because I'm such a pessimist But I'm interested in red's opinion on how he would do it different than what he said Well, first of all recreational or personal use is not legal here, but it is You can have up to 20 grams It's just not commercialized not regulated, but you can have 20 grams of weed. You can have five grams of pash legally, okay, but uh, uh, the laws have not changed and What they consider more than 19 plants is micro trafficking that you're you're selling at micro Right But I think it's gonna follow where you are. I think it's gonna be because they love california They're always looking at the laws there. They're always modeling things after up there That's so scary Because it just it's just like what we realized or what I realized really early on being from the the grower side Was that the more corporate it got The more legal it or quasi legal it looked for people to be able to smoke While they're still trying to push through these like thc percent Max max out type things in the background, but they made it more illegal or More easy to tax the shit out of you if you grow And took the ability for you to produce your own medicine for free at home away from you and people Like the idea of just being able to go buy it as an end product More than they like the idea of being able to grow it because it just seems like a lot to do But in the end, I think it's a big loss for everyone to go that route My remember remember too though that here it's a lot different. I mean You can flower a year round. You don't have to set up lights. You don't have to put a lot of effort into growing it like that but And I don't want to offend I have more respect for columbians and columbians themselves, but The thing about them is they like fads. They like the you know, they want to do what you're doing You know, they want to do what's going on in new york and stuff So that a lot of it's you can go now they have dispensaries where you can go and and you can walk in and buy weed Legally, yeah, I will not legally but you know, you can buy it. It's real you can go to any any uh open market Right where they have potatoes and corn and you can buy weed there too That's awesome. That's you know, did they get messed with a lot just buy the plant and take it home You don't even break it down just jumping the taxi. I've done that many times Hold my hanging out the window Did did the does the police or government mess with people a lot or try to tax them at that point when they see it? Or how does that work? Well, mostly they they They get you when you're moving, you know, like if you go to a bus station or if you go on a Taxi's cars. That's how they get you but in your house They they I've never had anybody come in my house and Uh, I don't want to get myself in trouble, but I've grown a lot more than 20 plants in my house And never I mean I've had police come in and say wow you have some beautiful plants, man But yeah, I hope it changes and they're right now I don't know if you know it but if you look at the news They're having these big cannabis marches because they want the new president To sign into law the what they call adult news And that's just regulated And they're pushing them because they want they want to be here like it is everywhere And we're working real hard together right now to actually find another think in the microclimate that I deem is perfect And getting it all set up The thing is is so much with the regulations and all this money she's having to spend to be able to get the licensing I bet Well, we've been working five years five years on this project and well, yeah But it's coming together, man. I'm telling you I've I've got the genetics I've all I gotta do is find the right place and boom i'm there. Wow Yeah, that's amazing export seeds now I mean if if if you've got a place a licensed place that can receive them I can send you Uh, of course, I don't have any columbian seeds right now But what I work my work at the finca is is licensed to sell Gotcha Of course, probably got to get you and matt down here to help me feminize them Yeah, I could I could teach that's very easy to do Well, I think you've already If you hear a groaning sound it's it's the internet of people all trying to reach red in columbia right now to I know just seeds Trying to find his web address. Yeah, the tubes are being clogged with all the demand flooding through to I'm not trying to sell seeds really. I'm not trying to sell anything I I'm just saying that we are now able to to do that legally we have a license to You may want to clarify what would be involved with doing that, you know I mean, it's not, you know, the any 16 year old, you know, can take a Can go to his car from high school and Order seeds with his cell phone from your website and have it, you know with his mom's credit card I mean, this isn't how it would work, right? It's you you're licensed The receiving party would also have to be licensed, uh as a as a hemp Facility in the united states and and the certificate of authenticity all that stuff, right? It's uh, it's Yeah, we have all that we have all the and uh It's got to be below 0.03 to hc to import into the united states now Yeah Okay, so I mean and now Okay I was just gonna say is this the stuff that gives you the erection Well, it doesn't say that on the label but First encounter what you would Classify or call either creepy creepy. How do you pronounce it? What is it creepy? Crippy well like with a in spanish y is spelled with an i creepy. Okay So how was it actually spelled down there? C-r-i-p-p-i There we go. Okay. And when did you first encounter the the creepy? Well, what happened? This is a pretty interesting story. I I was a teacher And a high school in bogota This was 2012 Right at the beginning of 2012 Uh, I when I came back in 2011. I bought a pound of the same good brown columbian 20 dollars for the pound But when I started teaching at the school Uh, my contact I still have this guy too. I've known this guy since 2004 Or hey, you can get me anything any kind of drug I want Uh, good friend. Yeah, huh? Good friend. Yeah Yeah, yeah For real. He's a good guy though really nice mellow guy. I love this guy That's awesome. But but I I called him up man. I said man, can you bring me uh, uh lb Can you bring me a pound and he said hey, I got something Better, but you can't buy a pound of it. I don't have a pound of it I thought oh, what is it gold or who's the rojo or what man? Yeah, because he got those before Yeah, and uh, I met him on the street because my wife Even after all these years wouldn't let him come in our house And I met him on the street. He said James it opens up this newspaper like he had it wrapped in newspaper And uh, it was pretty it was seedless Since since a media indica Oh, wow, and not not pressed. It wasn't like it is now. This was beautiful White widows what he called it and it looked like white widow. Yeah And uh, it was quite a bit more expensive, but I I went ahead and bought it. It was about 2000 gram Wow Where the other was 2000 a half or 10,000 a half a pound. Yeah But anyway, so I bought some and at first I liked it man. It was really good The next time I got it. He said this is skunk number one And he'd never he's never heard he doesn't know these names man. Yeah, yeah And it was beautiful. I have photos of it beautiful dark green with red hairs going through it Real flowery smell. Yeah, it's up high. I guess was skunk number one. Okay Okay, then uh I then it changed then then it changed I started getting it from another guy And it was these big clumps Like a big hard clump of compressed or vacuum bagged Again indica bud. Yeah seedless completely seedless nose. I guess it was like beasters Gotcha and uh That was the creepy and pretty soon. I didn't like it that much although I bought it because I wasn't growing at the time Yeah, I did find one seed. I found a seed in it. Normally. I never have found seeds So if you have seeds, you're lucky. Yeah, yeah But what what year did you first encounter it? Okay, when I first saw creepy it was the beginning of 2012 Interesting because that's about the time that I got those seeds sent up I was like, I wonder if this is the same guy because like it was on mr. Nice Same era And the guy when he sent it to me he spelled it creepy And I was like, uh, I don't know like I'd never heard of that and then later on I saw another columbian spelled c-r-i-p-i and I was like, oh my god, maybe the dude was right Are you sure he wasn't just calling you creepy because that's very possible. This is a common nickname for me Well, you kind of came across that way in some of those posts and and you know The males might have been in the the seeds might have been in the mail before he kind of realized Hey, this guy's kind of creepy and he said that Here's some creepy for you. Yeah. Yeah, this is possible. You're creepy. I said some creepy things But but creepy is outdoor grown. It's grown in all over columbia Antiochia calca even even up in uh near cartagena and let me tell you I don't I I'm naturally against it and don't like it because number one. I don't smoke a lot of indica number two It's commercial and yeah, and it gives me a bad effect a negative effect. It does mean Yeah, but in cartagena when I bought a nice chunk of it It was excellent man. It was it was uplifting. It was uh, really a good, but it looked just like the other indica Plump, but it had I was stellar. I brought some back with me from uh, cartagena two years ago And I also got some in santa martha that was uh It wasn't the same as what I had in cartagena So would you real real quick? I'm sorry matt the um these guys they're it's industrial. They're they're they're growing for profit They you know, what how are they about chemicals and pesticides and stuff like that? I mean, are you getting a clean product with this or what is it? Full of chemicals Oh, yeah No flushing either. I mean it burns black What's a lot of it burns black now there it varies there's a bunch of different types of it But the real shitty stuff burns black and has a temi taste and they all use pesticide chemicals They have to yeah, it makes sense um, so would you say because I know the people are gonna Be yelling it before I don't pin you down on it would you say that creepy is something like and this is just what I'm Hearing you say but maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong. It's some sort of commercial probably dutch import type like skunk one or one of those types And any of them will do it's just a non columbian based afghani based type plant grown there Yeah, and he will do Yeah, same thing like they did in mexico. I mean not just exactly. Okay These aren't happy growers that are doing these are people that are hand to mouth. I mean they're yeah Survival and they don't even give a fuck about the genetics or anything. Yeah, exactly my trays of clones put them out and it's a It's cartel weed. It's yeah, it's gonna people that bring you cocaine make this shit Yeah, and so when do you think? From people you've spoken to when do you think that term creepy first started getting used or applied to weed like that Well, see I left columbia in the summer of 2007 and went back to georgia And and when I left there wasn't any creepy and when I came back That's when it was there and I came back in 2011 and it was there then gotcha. I don't know when it happened I bet it probably happened 2008 2009 Interesting. Yeah But it's it's some of it's good. Some of it's bad, but when you live in columbia and you smoke you should be growing your own weed You know, yeah, it sounds like it That's like going to a prostitute when you're married to lawni anderson, you know, yeah, right Lawni Anderson, that's we would have popped into my head too. Exactly. I see Yeah, charo. Why not? I I said, you know, I I don't know if you want to get into it now, but you know, I live with kai fi From cannibal gin. Yeah, I've been here for three years and uh, also not as charlie charlie garcia Yeah, that's his Onstage name or something But I'm hoping uh, we can send out some good vibes to him because yeah, I understand I don't talk to him anymore, but my wife still does and uh He's in the hospital. He was really sick. I don't know what it is. I hope he's all right He was always super cool to me. He um Since I started he's always been super cool. Um Even when a lot of people wouldn't talk to me He was one of the first people that had a really what I considered a larger seed company That that would talk to me and that was a serious breeder. So yeah, shout out to him Hopefully he is doing I believe he was the I believe he was the first spanish seed bank Yeah, that's very possible. Um There we were reading a book. Do you know who isidoro rodriguez is? No It's someone that started cannibal gin with charlie garcia. That's all I know But he wrote books, um about like the breeding behind like sandstorm and chitrol and stuff like that Well, I I he probably know I probably know him with a different name Probably probably yeah, because you know, uh, that's really my I was I've been talking to him since oh six at least Holy man, your parents did not name you red rider No Okay, so these are not real names He uh, he uh, well, I mean, I don't know uh, like like you know him as charlie garcia and kaiji But that's not his name at all. Yeah. Yeah, that's not his real name. And of course, I wanted to bolge that. But anyway, uh He used to send me. Uh, you might have heard of red snake. Uh, the the wahakan Punta rojo cross. Yeah, how was that? Oh, man I got better, but that was excellent, but that never got out publicly. He wouldn't sell that or mestiza Which which is another one. I really like mestiza. Which one was that? mestiza is a wahakan and mission mcconn and yeah Now, how do you spell that because I I think you're saying mech's tiza With a t is that is that right or is okay? Okay, gotcha now. I thought I saw that for sale for I saw that for sale for years that that was on the market Yeah, the mech's tiza was there was a mech's emelia too from another company There was like a wahakan Burmese, I think that that doesn't mean that what you've got is the same thing As what went on the market though, right? That's very true Yeah, because a lot of the stuff like would be like, uh, whatever he worked across to like a malawi You know what I mean like to put it into seed market form I mean his his personal collection would likely be the you know, the god. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you read that? Tiskin tea. Yeah. Yeah the old tiskin tea o five Whoa, yeah, what else what what else you got? Match like the dog's got the scent, you know, he's gonna track that thing Oh, but we did a lot and he brought a lot of stuff with him that we never got to really finish Here's a bunch of uh, mongo b. J that we were working with Monk, we're not gonna read that Well, I tell you Ruth my partner has gotten spent so much time with the health department the agriculture department the justice ministry That she's really well connected with them and she knows exactly what's legal and exactly what's not And I I I put a lot of faith in everything she says of course I do what I want to do Yeah, well, you're different you're a different part of the operation And you know, it seems to me that if anybody's going to be successful in this in the legal cannabis world You've got to have somebody in the organization that's focused On that interface with the regulators with government And who doesn't you know who who can actually do that kind of work and and be successful With it, you know, I mean some people can can do it other people hate that kind of work and avoid it at all costs Not pointing any fingers here, but I think there may be three people here Who probably feel that way? So it's great that you got that partner, you know, you complimentary skills Teaming up you're the visionary. You know it when you see it, you know how to do it She's she's handling the part that you're not good at and you're doing the part. She's not so It's awesome. Well, I I want to really give a good recommendation to her because She she listens to me and and and understand not just listens to me, but understands and A lot of people hear you, but they don't understand you She understands me and understands What I want to do and believes in it and that we feed off each other like that or I feel like that Let's It's like constant roadblocks and and interruptions to your to your you know, your dreams, right? So and those things are can can Be demotivating and depressing and a lot of people quit right before they get to the finish line. So Oh, yeah, partnerships or marriages To you know, like they really are like marriages are very important communications important And when you're in a serious business relationship with someone It's like a marriage that you can't just leave because there's responsibilities. There's all kinds of commitments that you have to each other Uh, whether financial or otherwise and it's uh, yeah, it's you have to take it serious like that And and when one of the partners is just a complete prick It's it's almost unlivable Unmanageable and when someone can actually hear you and you can communicate with them That's that's usually someone you stick with for as long as you can I'm trying my best Matt. I really don't appreciate you bringing out our dirty laundry here I mean, I'm really trying I'm That's mostly what I work with is channel biology and ace That's cool. Very very cool. Um, are you are you still close with dubie? Uh, actually not close at all, but uh, I think the world of him He's my my best friend if he ever wanted to be yeah, yeah, but I love their work He's sent me a bunch of seeds one time and man, I've been growing those ever since he's sent them about four years ago What's your favorite from their their stock? Oh, Malawi Malawi the ace malawi very good It is If you ever If you ever come see me or you we get together you'll you'll try it down here. It's When I want to think when I want to be inspired motivated Uh, I smoke that Nice, um, have you done it and have you made any cobs down there from it one? Absolutely. Well, and I also make the uh, you know, I learned this from icing mag But I also make uh make it with the columbians and it brings back that musty earthy It's the only place you find it Yeah, we were talking about that that smell. Um, the other day I mentioned, uh, Pete and loam Yeah, you know, it's a foreign model. Yeah. Yeah down in there. So the color changes and it's uh Looks just like the old stuff at no seeds Do you ever wonder how they did it in bulk? You know, I mean how that stuff just happened I mean if if you're just shit stacking it like if you're just shit stacking it It's gonna happen naturally, right like some of the inside's gonna naturally ferment on the inside That's it. It wasn't intentional Well, I'm writing that down shit stacking a huge stack. It's a very scientific Happens sundried. Yeah, it's stuck in sundry Yeah, so there's some sort of harry potter incantation that's made of magic. Yeah No fairy dust on there. Yeah I like to make you do You remember when I was telling you that first summer of 76 when I first got high with Becky My mother had a prescription for Quailudes Oh, you know, I am so jealous every time I hear people talk about that. I am too young to have ever smelled seen Tasted experienced quailudes. Please. Tell me. Oh, man. I wrote in a pay dryer And the guy said get in the dryer Only said no one in a laundromat you got I was trying to figure out what the hell you was talking about for a second. I'm like, you got no, what? What one of the short periods is they kind of made your body into rubber You know, it was pretty common for people to take these things wreck their car bounce out of it completely unscratched It was it was really common So is that you you got in the dryer and took a tumble and you probably bounced out feeling better than ever Oh, I remember getting sick. I remember falling into a garbage can too Yeah, but that's another story. I got to tell you about mike. I I don't think I even put this one in my vintage columbian, but There was a dealer named mike and this guy would get all kinds of drugs and different kinds of uh Uh Lumbo mexican even tie But he he he gave us the 714s We were we were waiting for him to come the guy to come with the weed and he said hey, why don't you try one of these? Roar roar 714. What the fuck is that? Good deal One hour later. I'm riding in a pay dryer Hey now, you know, you're the same age as I am and I was um As far as timeline, you know, those things were just about to disappear when I was around a senior in high school, right? So, um, you're probably the same for you and there was a thing that happened right around that end of the era Where all these bootlegs started showing up. Remember that? Yeah, and they were mostly like diazep like like, um, what is it? Values those valium. Yeah So people people would mix it with alcohol and just get knocked slam out, right? It just yeah one second Did you ever get a bootleg red or oh? Okay, and your mom's In the beginning it was roar and I believe those have been pharmaceutical and then it changed to lemon Yeah, both both of them. I've seen yeah, both of them were pharmaceutical, but they were um, both copied also I've seen I've seen like old shirts with lemon on them with like a a number next to it 714 is that what it was 714? Yeah. Yeah. So the first one. How do you spell roar? r o There's an h in there Okay, r o h r. Yeah, okay. That makes sense Yeah, r o h yeah, and then we got and then we got the mandrex from mexico Ooh That's that's got aspirin mixed with it or something. I can't remember some kind of anod Yeah, it came in little packs like this, you know Well, that's not Okay, okay I watched the special on it the only place in the world you can still get it as south africa Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say that dude. Yeah, I saw that advice Yeah, that was a good one. I like that guy Yeah, hamilton morris. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's someone's uh grandkid or something. Isn't he morris? We all are kind of accepting. No, but like a really rich benefit. Oh, we all really are Matt no that test tube. Come on. Look at that head man. I know we came out of one That's shaped by the tube. You're this is a special shape, bro. Oh my gosh I would call it model shape Okay Yeah, okay, but uh, I've got a nice harvest coming up probably and late april may that's my I crossed the malawi with a old haze that I got from cannibal gym I don't think it's available, but no that I crossed that to my beautiful santa marta And uh, they're growing outside right about a block from here And I only got two beautiful females, but that that should be a good harvest I'm sure I don't know if matt he is that look on his face. It's I wish you could see I've got the same look matt that's kind of stupid like what's that sound look and then but but um, You're probably wondering is that old timers haze or is that tom hill haze because charlie had both I sent you a picture another accession. I saw that and it looked like, you know Some of the the very extreme phenos when you try and grow stuff like that indoors They they have a very similar structure, but not, you know, the just looked so healthy and robust years It just looked beautiful grown outdoors like that, but it's a the structure in wars is really similar You know, I know guys with phenos like just like that Um, and it's the good stuff. So let's see mango bc first time you have seen or heard of mango bc Okay, uh, well, of course here they pronounce it mango bc, but but they mango bc means unripe mango That's what mango bc means. They sell it on the street corners But uh, some people call it lemon lemon lemon lime or something I think Uh, limo and something Not my favorite. I I don't like it. In fact, I really don't like it What do you think it is like what what do you think is it normally the same thing? Or is it like stuff that's presented as mango bc that's or mongo bc that's not the same I can tell you what it is. It's it's very intersexed. It's long flowering low potency Uh, it's hard to grow. It's unmanageable. It grows into this damn tree. Now. That's the ones I've had Yeah, some of them Maybe better That's that's a laundry list of undesirable traits you just threw out there I think that pretty much waves off the entire world from wanting to pop that pack Drop to the bottom of the list Mango bc is just like punter rojo. It's a generalized name. There's many varieties within that name Yeah, and and I didn't grow a lot of it. Remember I I got this guy at the national university in Bogota The guy that I smoked him with said dude, I got these mongo bcs. You got to grow them out They're excellent. I grew them out. They were all Fucking those ones. These weren't these weren't kai keys mango bc No, no, no, I've never grown those Okay, because I mean, you know, look, I mean we may as well consider these things to be two completely different things that you know The stuff that I grew and the stuff that the rest of the world may have access to Probably not the same So, I mean, you know everything that was wrong with that mango bc Well, that might not Yeah, we should we should assume that the canna biogen ace people would have Uh done their done their job and and created her less Oh, absolutely traits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know if he still has it. I don't even know if Uh, uh, kai qi's still selling shoes, but he he had a punter rojo and I know where this punter rojo came from Oh, can you talk about that? I've grown it And it's it is Good punter rojo. We'll tell us punter rojo This punter rojo he came here. Uh, I forget. I don't know. Remember what year it was. It was in the 2000 They came here to columbia and he hooked up with his buddies went to manizales Manizales is a really unique place in elevation and climate and everything And uh, he sourced the the punter rojo from manizales or that area Which is also Which is also where the uh, wacky weed some of the wacky weed manizales black is from there Is that what wacky weed is is manizales black? That's one of them That's the original one. I believe to have come from calca The candy bar, you know, that's another story. I gotta tell you. Yes, please But uh, anyway, getting back to the punter rojo. I've got photos and everything. I grew it in bogata 2016 But you've got to realize when you're when you're This this kind of a plant is different than what you're got. You guys it's not a cruise. It's not an og It's nothing like that. It's not a This is uh, it's potent, but it's it doesn't look like it. You know what I mean? There's You don't see a lot of crystal, you know, it's not all all T Trichome done. It's not a big spiral mass When you open that bud up when you open that flower up and start breaking it up There's these little like sand size trichomes And uh, but it's not that it's the flavor and of course the flavor All these all these variables are in your environment I mean, you get a lot of it from the genetics, but if you grow it in guano, you get a different taste Oh, sure. Yeah, if you grow it in chemical stuff, you get a different taste But it is the real deal and and I like it. I just don't I'm not growing it right now But I definitely going to grow it again because and I have a bunch of the good seeds from From that. That's what I was going to ask red is, you know, um kaiki You know by Jen ace released multiple versions iterations of this stuff I believe some of them out crossed with other other red Uh south american central american sativas So, um, just kind of wondering if you have any more detail where this might fall on that Timeline of of stuff that was actually released by cbg or ace Well, I believe the punta rojo seeds that I have and I grew here are the ones that in fact I know they are because I helped them package the The little what he sells them in and so it's the original I have is putting Was it a hot? Was it a repro? I mean, what you what you've got there are they repro seeds? Is it, um, you know, it's okay It's okay red. Let's I don't I'm not sure because he had many things sent from spain Yeah, many many seeds and things were even had cuts from spain He brought cuts from there Yeah, but I believe I believe these have been worked I don't believe they're the directly from the bag that he got the seeds from in columbia. I think they've they've Because there was no immerphidites a girl like 12 of them Yeah, there was true. There was three true males and I don't know seven females and they were excellent, man I'll show you the photos. Wow big tall colas single stacked colas Has this kind of uh, I don't know it's it's like cedar, but it's like a wood smell It's not exactly cedar. It's more like a Not pine either you'd have to smell it, but it's a woody type dark wood smell It sounds like exactly what we'd expect from something named punter rojo, right? Oh, it's excellent. And of course, you know that just it just means red tip red point, right, right Right, and there's another one, right? What is it the uh? Well Another there's there's ones, you know about in the united states like that choco chiba Yeah, okay choco is a department is a department on the pacific coast and it's It's not suitable for growing cannabis. It's very human. It's very Jungly So maybe there was people that said that but I've never ever heard of cannabis being have been produced there But it may be I mean it may very well be but I've never heard of it So the the first time I saw that referenced was in an old article I want to say it was r but I might be wrong But it was an old article on columbians talking about the very first columbians and where they were being Pushed out of and it was I want to say what he didn't say choco chiba. He just called it chiba columbian at the time What would that word before here? Yeah, he just said chiba columbian. So I didn't know if chiba was a province or town or Well, no, uh, that's just a reference for something that's good like like uh, uh, what's the other one that's free, no Chimba chimba whenever you like something's cool. They'll say ah kid chimba Gotcha, okay, it's not chiba. Chiba. I've heard in reference to cannabis here Very interesting So yeah, so that doesn't even help pin down where the province could have been in relation to Yeah, but now I remember I think I remember the article you're talking about it was one of those things where r was just kind of just Rattling off this you know this string of you know the 84 You know or the 78 Santa Marta was really good But they had a storm blowing in and the reds were like a burgundy blah blah blah from chiba Right. Yeah, he's just it's like name. It's it's almost like name drop Hey, check this out. This just came in the mail. It's a it's a prototype For this uh banana og but like this guy had it made in japan. It's a vinyl toy Isn't that cool? Yeah, man, they want to make some toys with me, but Because because he's bored with he's bored with the rubber ducks that have that have filled the ocean He wants to replace it with a little it feels like a rubber duck, dude You can it makes air out of it like a rubber duck It is a rubber duck. You can still put it too close to air in there Yeah, hey, I gotta I gotta put him up uh next to the pole spike girl right here Yeah, yeah, like I Ash fruit won the first cannabis clubs Ash fruit was um, what was that? Ash fruit is a s1 Bubba bubba Oh, is that what it is that cannabogen 2? It's a really really Cush plant Yeah, so is that a part of peyote purple? Yeah, yeah, I believe it's a derivative I also grow that's a very weird plant the peyote purple is it? Nothing's lucky Yeah, very beautiful. It's freaky Yeah, we like that But oh, yeah, again, I find bad about indica's or most indica's is how it It was like it was like I was connected with everything around me All of a sudden I just started questioning everything I'd ever been told You know by the time by the time I got high that very first time When it started to hit me And I'm like well I got high