 Okay, we're recording now. Okay. Like to welcome everyone to the meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board My name is Catherine Porter as chair of the Amherst Design Review Board. I call this meeting to order Tonight we are meeting via zoom No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted But the public can attend tonight's virtual meeting by using the zoom log in information provided on the meeting agenda Listed on the meeting calendar, which is provided on the town of Amherst website We'll have a roll call the members of the design review board Who have been in panel for the consideration of the items on tonight's agenda Board members, please say aye or yes to acknowledge your attendance Lindsay schnarr will not be here Uh janet marquard. Yes. Okay, and tom long Present Okay, and I and uh as a disclosure I know we're having something from the unitarian society to today and I am a member of the unitarian society, but I Don't think this will hinder my ability to make a decision Also in attendance is marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board The design review board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by town meeting in October of 1983 the charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 Of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural economic and historical resources By providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use the appearance of structures and the appearance of sites Which may affect these resources The design review board exercises Disresponsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific Overlays zoning districts and the town center the design review overlay district and the town common design review overlay district design review is also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in amherst Which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of amherst youtube channel for public viewing The procedure is as follows The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting after which the board will ask questions for clarification Or additional information After the board has completed its questions the board will deliberate if the board feels it has enough information and time It will decide upon recommendations for each respective application Once the board has voted on its recommendations the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant Board applicable land use board and building commissioner and tonight's agenda Will include the following are we going to begin with uh d r b f y 2022 day 01 Unitarian Universalist Society of Amherst To review a proposed fencing Okay, I can't read this. It's a little bit of a block in uh Okay, all right. Uh, so who do we have for marine? Are you just going to present it to us? Oh, we have me Catherine. Oh, hi Suzanne personette here for the sharing universalist society and friend of Catherine's So, um, yeah, no, moraine got me all ready for it. Thanks moraine Uh, you should have a copy of my of our application, right? Is that right moraine? Yeah, along with I'll pull up the uh, I'll pull up your package on the screen. Okay, great because I I'm Sitting here in Gloucester on a river. So I'm not I don't have all my usual tools I'll look at that. Okay. Here we go. Okay. So the reason for this screen Is a replacement of an existing screen that was required by the design review board and the site plan review In 2008 or whenever it was that we I think it was 2008 No, I'm sorry 2013. Yeah And there's that's a great picture of the um, old fence The old fence was not a completely enclosed fence and it unfortunately was used by some of our homeless residents as A bathroom and so uh last fall we took the screen down the screen fence down And so I don't know if you have a photograph moraine of what it looks like right now the one I sent you There you go. Oh of all of this equipment. This is all air handling equipment and also the control panel for our solar system Is there it should not be exposed like that It's really we're very lucky that we haven't been vandalized so far But somebody did turn off our solar power A while ago. Uh, this is a proposed screen fence. We're putting up a six foot. We'd like to put up a six foot fence. It's aluminum It's you know partially transparent and it certainly goes with It is in keeping architecturally with the character building It will look very very very much like this Including the brick wall So this is the original site plan in the dark box is there's a blow up the next one There's a blow up of that So you can see that there is The air handling equipment and the new transformer location, which will be outside of the fence But the new fence will basically Come off the one side of the existing building and there'll be a little gate and it will be The the electrical inspector when I met with them last spring asked for a 36 inch minimum clearance between the Electrical equipment in the fence right now. It's 30 inches, which is probably what the code was back then So we're making sure we adhered to that. So that's about it We have pasty fence On contract to install this and we'd like to install it in october So which is any day now Okay Any questions? Well, yeah one about the sort of semi security Do you think you'll have the same problem with homeless using it? No, I don't Catherine and part of that is that it's not as Opaque as the last fence was it's it's more transparent for one thing. I think you mean and the The gate that is shown by the entrance to the downstairs there Will be lockable And it's six feet tall and it's would be extremely hard to climb it Because there aren't very many horizontals in there. So there's nothing to you'd have to really shimmy up there and really want to get in there So we think that it'll it'll take care of that problem Does it come out? I know that sidewalks very narrow and there does it come out further onto It's a it's a it's a few inches farther out than the old one was You can kind of see the corner of the building on the right hand side It would be coming out more or less right along the You know almost flush with the the end of the building depends on the detail there I think it can't be quite exactly flush because I think there's a base there that doesn't have to work around Yeah, um, but no we're still on our you know on our property and we have we're not obstructing the sidewalk Anyway, the little the X in the middle of that long thing is the new transformer that is there and it already sticks out that far So it could be outside of the fence on the north side of the fence. Yeah, okay questions Yes, tom Hey, thank you Suzanne for your presentation. I just have a quick question about that transformer Right now it looks like it's kind of halfway or not halfway a little bit in and a little bit out of the drawing Will it be entirely outside of the fence or will the fence cut around it? No, it's going to be entirely outside. What we see in the drawing is the pad for the transformer the concrete pad so When I met with a hasty fence guy We kind of struck a line From the end of the building there And and we can inch the fence right in back of the transformer He kind of goes on top of the pad. He'll have to trim some of the bottom rails of the fence a little bit but The transformer will essentially be in that kind of situation and like it is right in this picture Thank you. Okay Jan any comments or questions? Yeah, it looks fine to me. I move that we approve the application Okay, now we can discuss Tom would do wish to second that I did Okay, so it's a moved and seconded. Are there any further questions or discussions? Looks good. All in favor. Uh, I'll just do a little roll call tom Approved. Okay, Jan. Yes, hathron approves. Okay, Susan. All right. See how easy it is to get a fence Wow, this is I'm an architect. I've done this my whole career. This is the easiest whatever Oh So my next step then is that I have the Planning board meets next week. So I need to do a zoom with them. Is that right Maureen? That is correct. Yes so You should be if you don't have a zoom link or the agenda already we can I can email you the planning board agenda Um, and um, and uh, you know, you could perhaps uh, you know fill out the If there's a building permit application, you could certainly you know start drafting that and start submitting that to the We wouldn't hold the building permit until after okay, that would be done by the fence installer. Oh, okay. Okay. Yep. All right Okay, very good. We want we want him to take responsibility. Good. We want to take responsibility All right. Take care. All right. Thanks. Thanks a lot. All right. Okay. Bye So so next what do we have here? Next, uh, we have the town of Amherst. Um, I don't have the agenda up just at the moment. Um, but we have Rob Mora Who can fill us in so there's a new gravel parking area being proposed For for one of our town owned conservation properties. So I All right, let's all right So if uh, Rob is with us he can Show you the um parking area proposal Okay. Hi everyone. Uh, Rob Mora building commissioner. I'm helping the conservation department here with their continued effort to uh improve visibility and safety to these conservation area parking locations. So This is very similar to a plan that was uh shown to you a couple of months ago for the sweet alice trail conservation area Anyone had a chance to see that yet, but it is complete and Is a good representation of what the finished product would be for This parking area and others as we continue to work on these In the in the top left corner is the the area The parking shown in red The improved area in red This this location is directly across from the intersection of sunderland road in route 116 And it is currently just a dirt driveway as as seen in the lower folder there Where there isn't really any good parking area designated at that location so The middle plan shows our our proposal. It is to create 13 new parking spaces This is a Kind of a shared parking area to two conservation areas the pota conservation area to the north and then the cool conservation area to the south Combined with a couple other parcels and some Hadley land kesterland trust land. There's a there's quite a bit of property here I think there's over 100 acres owned by the town of amherst in this in this particular area and You can see in the hatching is the dirt driveway that's shown on that lower photo to the left and we're looking to widen that out make it passable for the vehicles to come and go Create 13 parking spaces two of those would be accessible parking spaces so number one and number 13 Would be accessible again. We're trying to create two two options to go north or south If we zoomed in a little bit you can see where we're showing a kiosk on each end There's the south side kiosk bike loop hard to see but we're going to put a bike rack in right next to the kiosk And then the same thing up on the north side So the podium trail Information and this is a typical kiosk If we can go over to the right we can see a picture of that that's the the typical Conservation department kiosk that's been being placed at all the conservation areas generally shows a sign on the front identifying the The trail access or location that they're at and then there'll be more detailed information or history of the property on the Backside so we're creating a nice level flat surface all around both sides of the kiosks for that information to be displayed So these are gravel parking lots That will be compacted and left in that condition We are experimenting with striping although we're asking for No striping or no delineation As part of our site plan review applications We've we've gone out and painted a couple. They seem to last about four weeks You know the two that i've been involved in I've already seen that the parking you know people have adapted to the parking configuration and orientation Nicely the the painting of the lines helped a lot It's something that we think the conservation staff will be able to maintain and Especially during you know busy times of the year Higher use times of the year that they could go out there every month or so and touch up the paint So that's going to be the plan going forward with these with these parking areas But this is about 30 to 40 feet off of the edge of the right of way for 116 It's pretty heavily vegetated in that area where the where the hand is right now We're not looking at clearing any Any of the existing trees or brush Just widening out that That driveway path so that's to the guess I'd be to the east by four or five feet or so to make it a an 18 foot travel path And yeah, so that's that's about it if I have questions, I'd be happy to answer them so are the materials the Gravel what whatever you're putting down is that's the same as sweet alice or so we sort of duplicating the materials used at sweet alice Yeah, we yeah, we are that so that was hard pack That we used the sweet alice and we are experimenting with a couple different materials I don't know if you happen to see the stanley street lot, but that was an existing lot that just got refinished It wasn't a new new parking area and that lot we used process gravel with a top finish of trg And the trg just didn't compact as well as the hard pack so it didn't get as firm It left a little loose stone on the surface So we tried this one here so far as you know compacted really nicely and And has held up pretty well to the to the rain that we got right after the as recent as a couple of days after it being installed So we're going to keep working with this material. I think is the plan We might try to dress up the The accessible parking area and paths with stone dust, which is just a little finer aggregate to kind of fill in some of the voids Might make it look a little bit more attractive as you You know access around the The the kiosks, but I think right now the plan is to continue with the same material So another question. I'm just going back to sweet alice We there was that discussion about putting some just sort of painting some lines on to sort of condition people to know where to park But then I don't recall a discussion where they You all we're going to come the town was going to come in and keep Repainting them but sounds like this lot you're treating this a little differently. Is that right? You're going to come Maybe you said during busy seasons come back in and repaint some of those lines Yes Right. So when I first proposed this I had said that we weren't going to paint lines I had even asked for a waiver from the planning board for that Design standard requirement and then you know, I think there was a recommendation Maybe from the drb could have been from the conservation commission actually that Thought that it'd be nice to try to delineate the parking spaces somehow And you know, particularly in the in the Stanley Street lot that we did we were really changing the way people parked And had been used to so you know, I just went ahead and found this You know this painting cart, which is something, you know, you might see out on a sporting field or something you know with With cans of paint and it didn't it worked pretty well You know, it doesn't it's not going to last long We talked to vendors that actually do the striping and painting And the issue with their installation is that the pressure is so high that it doesn't really make the mark It just kind of blows the gravel around So they weren't really interested in in doing it and thought it'd be it wouldn't be really Effective and worth it financially So we found this inexpensive way to Create markings that and you can see here in this picture, you know, they're pretty visible. So it worked out it worked out. Okay And and it's easy enough and inexpensive enough that I think we can Have staff try to stay on top of it and maintain it during the year and that's that's going to be the goal Okay, like I said the one example before this one I watched it it really stayed in good condition for about four weeks and then it was then it started to fall apart You know where it was harder to see the lines. Yeah. Yeah, okay really bad jans raising her hand Rob on sweet alice we had talked about trash and recycling bins And you were uncertain whether there'd be anybody to come regularly and thank you them. What ended up happening with that? I see they aren't there No, that that was one of the recommendations that the drb did make I talked that over with the assistant town manager Dave zomek And he was really not interested in having Trash and recycling receptacles at these conservation areas. They're not in Normal routes for the public works department that would be maintaining them and didn't feel like his staff was able to maintain those And really wanted to encourage, you know, you bring it take it with you Is there any any kind of sign that suggests that people should do that or do you end up having to pick up a lot? Um, I know that the the parking the the areas are regularly monitored by our field staff So they would handle any pickup or cleaning from what I understand there. It isn't a big problem That's great, but I don't have much more information than that Okay, just curious because I didn't see it in the new proposal Otherwise it looks great to me looks like tom has raised his hand Yeah, sure. I always just had a question about the road sign That you show here the typical signposts The middle one there and that's that's going to be something that's perpendicular to the road We don't see that at sweet alice yet. Is that something we are going to do at sweet alice and here? I'm just curious Yes, we are going to do that at all the locations the sign in the the lower sign there the red sign It's been designed by the town sign consultant You know, it will likely say poted coal at the top, you know, that's where the the blockout is where it said sweet alice I don't have images of all the signs, but I think that you know, that is the the sign that was Approved by the assistant town manager and will be Fabricated to go on the signpost that's shown above and yes, it'll be it'll be at this location It'll be at all the locations eventually. Okay, but none of them have been Received yet, so they're on order Okay, thank you. Okay any other questions Okay, if not do I hear a motion that we approve the application And Okay, the moved and seconded are there any further questions or comments? If not, I will do a roll call Jan. Yes, Tom. Yes, Catherine. Yes. Okay, it's Erica's here. Oh, Eric is Was she here for the whole presentation for the presentation? I heard the last bit of the discussion although I have reviewed the documents Okay. All right. Well, then where would you like to vote? Yes, okay. Yes. All right. All right. Well, it's unanimous. We accept the proposal Okay, thank you. Okay Thanks for coming. All right. Okay. There's Erica So far it's been really exciting Erica I wish our planning board meetings went like this I haven't heard anything so long Maybe they will from now on Okay. Now what, Boreen? Hold on one second. Gabrielle, I'm gonna make you a panelist. Hold on one second We have Gabrielle Gould of the Amherst Bid Executive Director Who will you be presenting regarding the signage for our new music in our venue? So I'll go ahead. Gabrielle, if you can introduce yourself, I'll pull up your application Yeah Hi, so Gabrielle Gould, I'm the Executive Director of the Amherst Business Improvement District But I'm also the Executive Director of the downtown Amherst Foundation Which is before you today for a live performance and music venue that we are hoping to open in winter of 2022 in downtown Amherst Called The Drake And you are showing the design review board the proposed signage for the Drake Yeah, so we would like as everybody knows or you you probably can recognize this is formally known as the High Horse Which usually has a very long skinny horse leg apparatus over in the right hand part of the brick Our intention is to have the first floor leased out to a restaurant on one side And the second floor we are hoping for a farm to refrigerator market So we want to leave more space for signage For those businesses So we are going to take as little as possible at this moment, but we are the only business coming in right now That you will see that the sign has been the logo and wordmark have been designed by our local marketing firm tiger web And that the full logo is on the bank building Square, I guess that would be called Which is the Drake live performance and music venue We are working with local artist Camille Peters to build and design the The the piece that will be hanging on the building and that will be all done with a freehand metal work And the four that will go into the bank building square will be a high I think it's a high polymer. We wanted to do metal, but I guess people come and break it And sort of take chunks off So we're going to go with something that is a little bit less attractive for people to want to chip away at And then also something that we can replace should we need to if it gets banalized Okay Do we have a picture uh marine of what it looks like the building? I'm pulling it up right now. Okay, because I Okay, so, um You know what let me do a new screen in case we want to do something side by side Okay, so we'll start with The um the freestanding sign Um, so that's the high horse panel if you will and it is three sided cabriol Actually four sided. Um, the back side right there is just so broken that it doesn't look like it has something in it Yep, okay, and then let me back up here and then we have the walls The uh, sorry Oh, oh bear with me. I don't know where we are. Hold on. Hold on Let's do that again So gabriel does the second floor get can it be accessed by that walkway? Okay, it we are building 100 80a accessible and compliant second floor. Yeah. Yes live music and performance space. Um So that's what we're currently looking at. Yeah, okay. Yeah. All right. So the existing wall sign Is the lettering in the the horse and uh, I believe tom has raised his hand Yeah, sure. Uh, thanks gabriel. I just have a question about the other location. So I just want clarification The lower level is all new businesses that are not yet there and will have their own signage And other things that we'll need so right now. We're only focused on the upper floor primary sign and single sign On the corner There's no other way finding to get people up there or any of that stuff No signs on the door or the front door or any of that Um, we actually um, we will be replacing the doors. Um, that that will I'm sorry Marie, is there any way you can go back to the Oh, sure. Yeah, that you had I'm sorry Um, you'll see where that air conditioner is that will be coming out Those doors are for 80 80 a compliance are going to be two doors that open out On to the walkway and will open completely so that a wheelchair will come in so that will be the main entrance I feel fairly confident that we will be putting a decal on those doors But that is not being presented to you at this moment We probably should have done that but we don't have a rendering of the doors yet June riddle is doing the architectural design for the interior so So it would be safe to say that the decal would have this sort of Yeah logo it will it will be that exactly So did you say the music's on the second floor or the first floor We will only be inhabiting the second floor We have got it and turned it into an open space and we'll be building a state of the art stage with Sound and lighting. Oh, okay. Okay. And I forgot. Oh, oh, sorry. So there's um, if you want I could Go down the street and show you so there is a ramp that you can access The music venue from the at the corner of amity and north pleasant street and then on And then on north pleasant street. There are stairs. So there could be two and you know two Routes to the the main door which will be located At this door here on this on the second floor And there will be a second means of egress on the opposite side of the building And then you said it's going to be a restaurant restaurant along On the second floor Is that right? I just trying to know The upstairs will be a performance a bar and performance venue only the downstairs We are hoping to secure a lease for an incoming restaurant. We're working on that right now Okay, and you something about a farmer's market. I or did I Blank out. Did you say a market? So this is very roberts is building and we are working with him right now to divide the first floor Into a smaller restaurant. And yes, our goal is to get a farm to fridge market. Okay. All right. Okay But but those are not fine leases yet. So we're not going to count those chickens. They have not Shot Can I jump in with a question? Um, yeah, so super excited about this like I hope the fundraising campaign is going really well I wanted to ask about the rationale of putting the drakes sign On the left rather than in the center where the stone is It seems to me that this is the kind of the anchor institution It's exciting. It's really wonderful and Why you're proposing to put it over on the left side instead of in the middle Our our thoughts on that were that it kept it sort of closer to our entrance and kind of be marketed that this was us And that we figure if another business is coming in downstairs They would take the right brick and allow the stone to be cool Um, and that the market would take the signage above their market and not be up on the top of the building We're not opposed to having it on the stone We just wanted to make sure that we gave enough space for other businesses to brand and market themselves Also, we felt like this from way down like when you're coming around amity This is the first thing you'll see is that corner And we're hoping that it's very eye catching and that's what the back lighting for the metal sign will do That makes some that makes some sense. I mean, I I appreciate that I'm thinking if it's just if you only have two signs up there and they're both In the square format in the same size Then leaving the that center stone area Blank could work But it feels it feels like the sign right now like the stone is the sign But it sounds like that second that that restaurant lease may be very much in progress and so it's not long till another sign goes up, right? Um, we're we're 501c3 and running this as a nonprofit and the landlord has been Exceedingly generous on a very long-term lease with us so we want to make sure that the Business underneath that will be parents paying fair market value rent has enough space to Brand and market themselves and although we're the first ones in we definitely want to defer and the goal of this Organization and of the drake is to compliment and be an economic driver for downtown So we don't want to take anything away from anybody So what's there now Is that used for anything right now the second floor? This has been empty since pre-covid. It's been over two years Yeah, I don't know if any I never knew what was up there It's it's been vacant for a long time And so if judging for size if you've been in the lower level which was the high force Is that about the same size as the upper level or is there another extension on the upper level? Believe it or not the lower level is much bigger. It is a sort of honeycomb of interesting Spaces and rooms right it can it can get a little maze like down there Our space is about 4 000 square feet We have demoed every wall that's not holding up the building to make it a Sort of big beautiful open space good for spoken word poetry classical music jazz rock and roll Catch all It is it's a good amount of space okay Jan do you have any Thoughts questions? No, I like it. I like the logo. I think it's a very clever play on the Bass clef treble clef note. It's it's it's fun and it still use makes the d so I think it's very sharp I thought it was a slice of the moon, but Still it's good whatever Jan I I love that you saw that because john tune and I were sitting in here today And he said do you think anybody's going to get that that's the playoff the bass class? I definitely heard someone got it And it also has the curl at the end of the treble. So you're playing with both and you know, I think it's it's very very nice I think tom um like to ask something or say something yeah, sure, I was just um For some reason these kinds of um Sort of longer facades that you're working with I still have an issue maybe about whether or not we can Locate your front door and I'm just wondering if maybe a blade sign That's perpendicular to the front of the building that might be eliminated might actually be helpful Like anywhere along that line on the upper level to really draw people up there because you know if your sign is up And there's another sign that's also up there people might not correlate it as this one's up and this one's down And so some other kind of perpendicular blade sign along those posts. Um, yeah out front I'm somewhere along there might cue people into oh, I have to go up these stairs to get up there So I just feel like the way finding process of getting there You might want to consider like when you're standing across the street or at the corner Well, I know that I need to get upstairs to this location because even the d that's on the facade illuminated at night If you're standing on the corner, you still might not see it Because it's flush with the facade But if you turn that perpendicular and you have a blade sign that has the drake, you know written sideways or something like that It can be only a few inches deep but still catch people's eye In a way that your current sign might not so Yeah, as as moraine was pointing out those posts right outside your building there might be a good place to think about Something that's perpendicular, which is what you'd see on a more linear approach like that Or even a lit sign right on the brick next to the door You know Not hidden yeah right there where that light that sunlight is you know something like that might even be enough But I agree tom that would be Would we come back If we were given permission tonight to move forward with the bank square Down on the corner and the sign on the front of the building Would we come back to you for a sign on the building in that spot where the sunlight was sitting Any additional signs on the door on the walls technically you're supposed to come back Okay, great. We could do that Okay, any other comments or questions All right, I would just I would just say that when you do your graphic for the door or however you want to approach that You can piggyback another sign on that meeting. You'd have to have a meeting To put up the the graphic on the on the front door anyway Okay, right Sure Very good. I move we approve the application All right. Is there a second erica erica said, okay, we moved and seconded Any further questions or discussions? If not, I'll do a roll call uh tom Hi Jan Yes Erica Yes, you second. Yes. I'm Catherine. Yes. Okay. So it's been unanimous and uh, now all you have to do is get the jazz band in there We've got them. Thank you all so much. Have a wonderful evening. Thank you. Thank you Yeah, okay our next item um is with uh downstairs l lc and um The applicant is um is not uh, he had a uh a conflicting um Meeting at five and he said he couldn't meet us until six um, and I had said well if you can't make it I can um present but if you can that would be helpful so um I guess since he's not here. I'll I'll go ahead and present on his behalf and maybe he'll He'll uh sneak in or join us. Okay, so let me pull this up and it's uh, Greg Stutzman um is the applicant representing downstairs l lc let's see here and um Let me go it's to update the existing awnings with the messaging on those awnings and it is um Uh, let's see here. It is a long Is it on amities? Uh, what sorry? What street is this? This is 30 boltwood walk Uh unit one and it is where uh currently the awning does have messaging for kaju the ramen uh restaurant um Greg Stutzman is um moving on from uh kaju and is um reconfiguring the interior to add a Three different uses I believe one being his Real real estate business. Uh, it's an existing business brick and mortar realty. Um, this is his Existing logo for his business Uh in branding, um, which is shown here on the the proposed Messaging for the awning and other uses inside include a speakeasy and a Like a catering business that would not be providing Food for the public. It's it's for private events and and and the like I believe and so At this time, he's only proposing signage for the realty business And he's intentionally having a low profile for the speakeasy, which is a common thing about speakeas I mean So people just know to go there there because he's saying it's not going to have a sign for Is that I believe so So perhaps maybe down the line He could you know Reconsider that but I the intention is to have a low profile for the speakeasy And I guess if we read together, uh the details, let me Let's see here. Um so the It's aluminum panel painted to match the existing awning secured to awning framing with pop rivets paint to match and has a white vinyl logo um, and that that's applicable for both the messaging on the The front and on the side Okay All right That looks a little gray as you see proposing gray as opposed to black I noticed that myself Isn't it the same awning with just new text it is. Oh, okay. I thought it was probably either faded or it's the light Yeah, okay. All right Okay Wonder how he does that with the fabric but All right, um questions from the board we can only or comments. I guess we can't um Question him right now any thoughts Looks fine. It looks fun. It looks a little drab, but I don't have a big It gets across the message. Yeah, that's right. I think it's in line with what's there now, so right. Yeah Change the the landscape. It's not bright green or anything crazy. Yes, right. Uh-huh. Yeah Well, the existing materials is a good thing right now Erica, did you have a comment? Uh, I just I think it's nice that it's lit at night. So, uh, yeah Okay I've been moved by jan is there a second Second Erica seconds, okay moved and seconded seconded any further comments or any questions you want to pose if not Uh, we'll have a roll call Tom Erica Yes Jan yes Yes, okay. All right. We love it And I at the last minute I emailed you two draft meeting minutes I don't know if anyone got a chance to read them. No, okay. That's fine Um, we can and it wasn't I didn't get a chance to add it to the agenda. I was going to suggest that you could review it under, um Items not anticipated within 48 hours, but that's fine. We could add it to the the next meeting agenda. All right our men marine I'm probably going off after this meeting if the person on Historical commission who is said she might be willing to be the rep takes Agrees at our next meeting we gave her a month to decide Oh, okay. I just have too much right now and I need to hold back on some stuff. Sure. Makes sense. That's not good news You're gonna have to make a lot of motions really quick Train a new person I I do know that there is a proposed restaurant slash night club that should be Submitting an application which I don't know is I don't know if that'll be tomorrow or next week But um, I'll touch base base with ben and and yourself jan of to see where you are with If we can squeeze in one more meeting with you or not. All right. Okay. Oh, I'm just one other question I had was um, did that second hand clothing store open up? You know where the Knights of Columbus building is. Yeah It did it was open pre-covid. I don't yeah, I hadn't been back I guess it's never it didn't open again. I'm not sure Oh, so did we have anybody from the public that wanted to make a quick comment? I don't oh Oh, Greg Stutzman. Greg. We already approved it So no need Okay I won't uh, so all right So you uh, Greg you can stay which we're about to end our meeting But um, I'll email you tomorrow with the the very brief memo. They liked it Okay, so any uh, uh any public any other anybody else from the public That you couldn't see No, no, no one else. Well, then do I hear I think that's all the business we have do I hear a motion that we adjourn Should I make one more before I go more one way up to the road I move we adjourn the meeting. All right Been moved. It's our second. Okay. It's moved a second of all in favor indicate by saying I I Okay, well very good. I'm working with you all if I don't oh, Jan. We'll miss you. Bye, Jan Yeah, you're available. You can always find me