 Good morning. All right, so we have had a very interesting conversation We began the show with myself Brian Sacco and Stefania. Yeah, just you know spreading good vibes and good cheer on this Small small chilly Monday morning, and then we dove right in to the interview with Stefania If you did not catch it, it will possibly be up on YouTube at some point in time And then a brand Sacco led us on the conversation on politics We're just here and there of what has it been going on in the past couple of days What the opposition is doing the government is doing how we're feeling about it on the ground Etc etc etc, so we're going to finish it with a conversation with a two-way handsome gentlemen on set And I have very very many questions, but first of all, good morning Manchester United fans. Congratulations On winning the EFL cup, which is now referred to as the Carabao Cup and Setting to qualify for the Europa League. Yes, congratulations. And if you know a Chelsea fan out there keep telling you, please Please please check on them. They are not okay. Hashtag is why the morning you can interact with us at white 54 Facebook Y254 channel on Twitter Y254 underscore a channel on the gram My name is Val by the way. Hi guys But then Yes, my name is a person killer Kimani. Uh-huh. Yeah, what do you do? Okay currently? I'm a media student at the University of Nairobi Very thrilled to be invited for this morning and I believe fans out there You're also thrilled as well because today we are going to be discussing a very Very good topic, which is going to actually Educate you in the most. How do we find your social media? Okay, you can find me at a post okay lucky money on facebook on twitter and in instagram Yeah, I currently open the youtube channel where I call myself the sword But not much down there. Yeah. Why the sword? Why the sword? I call myself the sword simply because I there is this content. I have been wanting to do I had in fact I had actually started doing it But I wanted some okay kinder some good You know like good stuff to present it well because I I want to pee us Why I call myself the solid because I want to pee us and I want to cut off Mediocrity and obscenity in the society I want people to be looking things forward to be knowing what they want in life Yeah, that's what I want and I believe I'm going to achieve it very soon. I really like your focus Hey, wow, all right And we have someone who's doubling in film so maybe you can get in touch after this make magic happen Meanwhile, how what's your name? My name is Calvino Yola. Yeah, Calvino Yola And social media platforms on YouTube I have a youtube channel where I'm mostly more active A youtube it's by my name Calvino Yola where we do content there. We have a production called art two to four production Meaning art today tomorrow and forever Wow So we do film we have short films and a trailer to a feature film On instagram calvo underscore There I do poetry every Thursday. I post a poetic Thursday. It's a movement poetic Thursday and I come up each and every Thursday Twitter as he's still the same poster is calvo. I post the poems there Also not bad calvin underscore poet. I also post content on what pad you're very artistic Kinda Do you go live on instagram? Okay, so on Thursday I get a topic each and every Thursday different topic a different theme I write then I post then on weekend I do the video to try to elaborate the pieces and post it on youtube Does this have any relation to do with there's one in a to a uh, poetry after lunch apale knt. Is that do they have relation? I might just coincidence because it's also on thursdays Okay, so that's a coincidence. Yeah, it has a lesson with the poetic tuesday for support Well All right, so the conversation is leading towards the boy child, of course So I'll be leading a lot on you guys to educate me. So I'm allowed to now get education So to know lisa one or more to me a chicks come a gani could protect my best day against warrembo First of all, why do you need protection? Are we that terrible? Uh, yes, I'm scared too juicy. Yes out of 24 hours You should be spending 23 of those hours fearing women and that other one that has remained you fear women more. Why? Okay Okay, what I will say is Okay, why is it said that men should protect other men against? Okay from ladies, isn't it? Okay, according to my view. I will say that You know, there are some men who are actually psychos in the first place. Really? Yeah, really psychos like they cannot do without relationships. And you know that In relationships, they are very many. I mean very many targets in very different people There are some people who are into relationships because of like intimacy And others are going are into relationships because of you know, some people They are suffering from something deep inside and you know, like they indulge themselves into relationships So that they they kind of They kind of okay. They want to forget their past. Are you getting it? So what I will say is Why should we protect other men from this relationship? It's because When when you actually look at most relationships, they break than create Yeah, especially in relationships dealing with uh, I mean people within an edge gap of like 20 to 30 years You know like I mean like I think there we can say is the youth the peak of youth Here somebody saying of oh, I really miss my my sweet 20s, you know, like at that point is whereby Most people tend to break themselves than actually making themselves because you know, I had you know, there is this There is this slogan that I don't know about without a girl is like tea without sugar, you know He's like a pen without ink. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so some people, you know, like some men are into relationships because of that they're like Okay, when I when I be into a relationship, I'll be you know, I'll be dope, you know I'll be dope. Some people will be seeing me. You know, I'm fancy But in the end last this person Is a heartbreak or even he does not get a lot out of that, you know Thank you. Feel free to I can say the boy child actually We should protect the boy child from The was channel from was channel because ah Because like in the society of now, you know, the boy child is under It's under threat a society where like Tenderly to overlook into the boy child When it comes to any situation any scandals especially in our relationship scandals Any mess that may occur, you know the boy child the camera of the society the eyes of the society are directly pointed to this boy child and also So it's upon the boy child and the boy child to stand for themselves to be your brother's Keeper. I we need to carry this journey together because it's just you and you and you not anyone else So I think they need this protection I want to read to you something that someone very wise someone known as austin He was just here the first segment of the show and he said men are made men in the company of other men How true is this? It's it depends on How you're making these men But it's true under that That sub group of men It's where now men make men you You know your situation is not different from other person situations and you're the only people going through this situation How you come up with the solutions to impress each other to help each other. That's how you make men So Then you guess each other You guess each other The fault in me, you know kuchochana is kind of you're trying to say actually kuchochana is in the negative side, you know Really? Yeah, kuchochana is in the negative side as in Kuchocham say you're actually making them to go in a okay in a wrong cut But actually what men do is we try to okay We come up together and we advise each other, you know, like recently we've been having this men's conference, isn't it? And in that men's conference actually a lot happened Whereby you see like men are taught how not to simp, you know Yeah, you know, there's a men who are desperate for like I like I said earlier So when you're taught how to simp, this simply means that you're going to focus on the bigger picture, you know Because I mean relationships Sometimes I've seen really many people being teared down because of relationships very toxic ones very toxic Relationships you see like you find someone actually Now I see move forward It's kind of it's kind of a spell Yeah So those are the things of which we need to protect fellow men from Of course we are you're saying we should fear women 23 hours, but How are you feeling about the same I'm only cool is it because he said something about Guys or gendering. There's some men who just do not not want to be in a relationship because he's too single Now, how would you come about advising such a man? So that means it doesn't it doesn't matter whether it's a it's an okay relationship or it's a toxic one At a maybe an ape go by the way Men go through gender-based violence So even if he's going through all these things, he just won't tell anyone just as long as he can say I am in a relationship. Now. How do you help your brother there? For brother who Already is in a relationship or He's already there. He cannot move and cannot move Maybe you call I can add to that I think when okay, you see when a person's in a relationship and they cannot get out from there I would okay one of those tricks Like one of them that I know is when you make this person you disengage them You like you remove them from that relationship, you know that love it can be the diverted in the way you want You know that so you can divert love to I mean romantic love And I can you can also divert love to agape love which is love for god and also Love not the best part of love is the love for family So you can actually make this friend of yours to be so bonded to the family because do you know like this This popular tiktoker who has died recently in a car accident. You know that person Yeah, that guy is actually a good. I mean a very good encouragement. I really like that guy. Oh my god Rest his soul in peace that guy He actually divorced with the wife and he used to stay with the daughter and I used to see a very Compassionate love to the daughter in fact that guy every picture he posts It's either he has the daughter or the two sisters and apparently in that car accident They died the four of them The two sisters and the daughter and the guy himself So I will say that this person was like a very good encouragement to show guys to show real men out there that You cannot just keep love or just romantications now You can divert them to the family basis and it's just dope. Yeah told on that In this relationship, you know also there are men who are toxic and also have The count up of the female who also toxic but uh Now these programs this like men's conference now these are Men and encouraging men to fear women. It's not like a wake-up call now. That's a step that They're doing now to revive that situation where Maybe a relationship has really put you to a corner so that you cannot think outside the box So that's how you have these programs this encouragement That's like a step a process of standing for each other. You know, they keep talking It's making me feel like this men's conference could actually be real Guys, can you confirm or deny this? Please? Hashtag is fcm. Okay. I have another question is is it amassed? Okay? For example, this this is your brother who has just met a particular lady. I'm a nice. I'm a nice Oh, she looks because I'm Of the understanding that men are first attracted by what you see because where's he on a personality, right? Yes, you can't see someone's personality. So she looks nice. Maybe they have conversation conversation Do I have to okay? Do you have to as the man introduce your lady to your? Male friends. Is it amassed? Is there a vetting process that goes on? To introduce Yes, like As a man You don't have to introduce Your partner to your friends because the partner is yours You know the moment you introduce you're like exposing and you are we are humans. So you It's good when you keep it to yourself Yeah, but you balance you balance the situation. So you must have to introduce a like Is it amassed? Okay, okay According to my opinion, I will say that it's not amassed because if the decision is yours Do you know that they are they are friends who are there just to pull you down? So you could actually show them your fans your like your your partner and they are like Hey, dude, what did you see in that girl? Like this girl. Oh my she's so down. She's so down like No Violence comes in all forms and manual Is it possible that this idea of men protecting men from women is just men refusing to be vulnerable I'm a someone who was vulnerable with someone and it was the wrong someone because we were told again by austin that You have to choose your audience properly. You cannot just be vulnerable with anyone So let's say for example, you were vulnerable to a lady You broke your heart into small shattered pieces and now because of your experience You're trying to protect him from being vulnerable to a lady or someone else that he feels maybe he has met And is the perfect match for him. Is that possible? I think yeah, it's possible because Literally you are vulnerable at some point Because now in the society it's easy. I have to say but the boy child is kind of vulnerable already there are people of past In a relationship on peter through hell others have gone through heaven. There's that but so Imani for you who have Maybe where the path you chose didn't work well. Not that you are everyone will Be that way. It's this protections like Just a warning Like a warning Someone who has not experienced very hard to convince someone who is is in those kind of butterfly feelings You know how it feels when a relationship is fresh I could get to see him on good morning day. Good night. Umekula. Hey, how are you feeling today? It's it's very difficult to advise someone who's going back through that. Yeah, but now that's where the brocade comes when your friends Like I advise you and you see through it because for the brocade it will be more of empowerment When you bring that advice and then you see through it and you're like It makes sense Let me change many me unless when you are being told then One assume You know, that's not that the brocade now Talk to me. Okay. What I will say is okay Now that is where now, you know, like that is kind of you know when like in the morning Okay, the lady texts you hey morning bae. How are you doing? You know and this guy cannot even concentrate at work So actually that is what we are now trying to Actually, you know We we come up with tricks We come up with tricks like At least we prevent these guys from being psyched because I think now that is being psyched because I want to do this actually this thing in a dominate the other relationship Actually, most likely because I come here at all because it dominates the future. So this guy Okay, is it part of the brocade also let's say for example You have seen someone and and he knows you're with someone And he knows who your someone is but he sees your someone with someone else. Are we following that one? Yes, we are together. Is it brocode and I say, bro. Hey, who the heck dogo? I saw her yesterday with an A. Am I you? In fact, that's a brocode to be appreciated really truly because You know, that's being your brother's keeper like literally I See the girl with another guy. I know I know both No matter how to the girl gives me or anything I have to go to my bro. I tell you just Kiasi kuna kuna kabone timato ka fix it Kiasi you have to make a correction Hey, because you know, you can't watch it. You can't be you can't Always turn a blind eye To which a you know for you, so it's okay. Yeah, because I think also the females will do the same Okay, the same brocode, but let me rephrase your bro has two different ladies And you know both these ladies But you will not tell either of these ladies your bro. My bro is playing you. Is that still brocode? Is it still a brocode like my bro is playing these two females? I know these two females and I know my bro But I will never tell these two females what is going on. Is that brocode also? There's this Why But you know kosher. It's your bro So that depends to the bro before you arrange your house plenty of things, but when you need advice You can come but you arrange your house make sure shift has a gongani talk to me. I will say bro comes first Bro comes first. So actually when you actually When you when you tell that to the lady Now the bro will take you or will perceive you as a smidge, you know And come and see what now We cannot tolerate Which is get stitches So we cannot dare do that Mm-hmm. I'm a zea. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it directly in Underwater, no under water, but you see or if clearly no no because one of them touch up one He only talks about you You're the only one he keeps talking about Okay, I feel there are double standards to flag all over the place where that's fine Please do participate in the conversation at white 5 on facebook white 2 5 4 channel on twitter Hashtag of the day is mcm. All right Bro code does bro code also dictates Remember to Talk to us But I don't know so much ones a couple and it's the sully next because I'm quite sure I saw a couple of people who are ready On the forum. Good job. Good job. Good thinking guys Yeah, watch a nyanzen and yinny and then we'll get to the next question So we have a man james. Good morning says Monday will kill us one day Ninen it and I come on a joy. You're not a united fan. We'll see you in Gelesha. Yeah, we'll see you in Gelesha So you get out to her and you come back as well. Okay, that one is somewhere else And if you're wondering what we are talking about the question is one woman who to make tricks come a gani To protect my bestial against warrenbo Salisio morricki morricki says presently cure empire chamber of great thinkers Said I'm Mom hoped the bosses mean me miss in a money quasasa radio boy case is yet condoning Sintah either says what against who we women what do you even mean? Are we that dangerous? But before a lady reacts always it's triggered from somewhere one oh, okay Do you believe this is true that you're trying to protect your bro from a female? But the female is saying that That But uh like For mind of a man. I think it's more for solution finder So even it's not What in a situation a man always like maybe supposed always try to look for a solution The society didn't think the man would likely Go to start the war because that was not a solution First I think we will more focus on the solution like sometimes you can find is the lady who triggers maybe an action And that action Yeah, I can raise some There's a train So it's it's the females this is they want to back that up back it depends You know that is actually this this thing that Females they really have one problem. They do not know how to let things go. They don't Actually, maybe like what she has said we may do my solutions But the problem with women is Now the mistake which has actually been profound of a solution They now drag it back now and then from morning they now drag Now they still drag it back again. Okay. Do you know what you did yesterday? You are now eating lunch. Do you remember what you did? You are now at dinner and she's still repeating the same Now as for us men, you know, we tend to keep quiet So that you just talk talk and talk because at some point you women are just a nuisance Yeah, that's why, you know, females say we fear them females say we fear them But I I kind of say that Men tend to just keep quiet Females to just talk because they never get ahead of talking In in our defense technically it's biology. We have 25 000 ones a day. Wow It's a 10 I'm a 15 000. So we have a very huge gap. So you you finished Maybe you went to school. You went to class. You went to work Usha maliza wadzako of the day. So you're coming back now to Chill with your partner. Then they still have a couple of more things to say. Yeah, I knew you're done You're just done. We're like, oh just let it slide All right before I continue with another comment. Is it a brocode for bros not to Relate with their family members. For example, you have a sister that he likes Brocode does it dictate that do not come anywhere near my sister my cousin my my sujui who Amma it's it's all right Let me start but I also want to hear a suggestion Oh for me, I think As a bro, okay, it depends where your Relationship started as you became bros But personally when you go to brocode Everything is quite fair now It depends also with your sister or the partner But so it depends with the partner or the sister that the bro once if they like maybe a bro once my sister and My sister personally is okay with okay. That's okay but In other scenario for brocode, I think a brocode a bro Should not Maybe mingle with a sister to your bro Like personally for me, I Don't do that Yeah, for me now, I take it. It's again as the brocode mingling with a sister or a relative And if you know that particular bro, I cannot tell you at all I cannot tell you not to see to selfie Now ma'am said yeah, because I've shared that several times So that is now breaking the brocode if he comes anywhere in your family As long as he doesn't keep it secret Excuse now a plot twist. Okay. So there's a difference between mingling with your family You know, you know the bro and uh, you know the intention as in he just tells you uh For me I think Your sister is good for me You know, you understand you like, you know, you understand you come to An agreement And if I'm understanding if If another if a bro does not tell the bro that he is mingling with a sister, that is a problem if it's in secrets Betrayal Betrayal second time I've heard that word today first in politics and now in the brocode Why is it betrayal? I don't know why but I think in the brocode or like the way men are They they just don't like their friends dating their sisters. You can't just do their cousins They don't have problem with their cousins actually But now when it comes to like the the deep family the sense of family. No, no, no, they don't do that Yeah, so actually if you want to save your friendship you either do friendship or do relationship You either choose of one really? Yeah, you have to do that What if the bro's intentions are pure like I want to you know, take care of your sister I want to do this and this it becomes difficult very few very few do understand very few of them that I can assure you let's say like Like let's say 10 percent 10 percent of men can't agree to that but the 90 percent Answer that to yourself problem. You want to add on it on my your heart is full The process too bad Didn't see it coming, did you Let let's come back to your comments. Do you remember it's at white five on facebook and that's where I am We have morris macaw says when morning tune then or watching from kaka mega nam share cabras. Me mo se ma hata hao I Which brings me to something again Austin said the first segment And accountability a little bit Patani because manoma in manoma and he does not want to feel like he owes anyone an explanation Yes I don't know if I want to I want to put A label on it, but according to what I heard today or this morning So what happens when you've you've gone through The right channels or my advice bro. Hey, bro. Maybe this lady is not good for you now Well, man, you're my junior, but again come on is that miss dying? Now, how do you step forward from there according to the proposal Okay, me. I will say that according to the brocade In fact, that could lead to like the end of that friendship because Most men do not like to be advised of their relationships That's why we tend to now make tricks to make sure that we're going to cut them off slowly because you might tell them You might tell them this girl is not good for you And say a career you are actually trying to tell him to Watch another girl so that you you protect So instead you just better ignore it If you cannot just bring a trick Trick to your company out okay You know if career that will make I just keep that to yourself thoughts thoughts There's this brocade and then there's this Family of brothers, you know for that brothers you're bonded it's more than This brocade, you know brocade is the boy-to-boy relationship Now for for that awesome bond that group flan now you You mean it you mean that you need to flan Actually, I think in that group mostly what you see is advice from their friends. I like I'm it's a bad or it's a good They tend to listen from that Use circle flan So for those people can be I think they'll listen, but for this other For the brocade you tell someone You just wash your hands Wash your hands and I All right, I have this is just me being very curious And I don't know if it's a fact or not But it's like a small small pattern I've seen recurring in places I'll use diamond as an example diamond. I think Is it true that one heartbreak small small now you want to Destroy the female race. Is that how you guys feel? And just be honest kindly Maybe Maybe if you ask this concept of fear women where how did it start? You know that concept It's something that has arised rapidly That the concept of fear women And maybe if those pioneers who came With that concept of fear women, maybe what they have gone through if they will just air it out Because you know it starts from there and maybe if you as a part of like cut diamond Where's you and me? So, you know for an experience in my peteria sometimes it It's all just how your reason how you see things with the the angle of how you saw things and have written about dying Sometimes you can move on with that anger Okay, you're not like everyone is the same after all The way this is calm. It could be so smooth Like something that you didn't expect like you know for the first maybe the first breakup in a relationship Probably is something you never expected If you're so into it Talk we're like fear these people So that's change or maybe they there'd be a platform Like organization like what do people were from breakups because it almost of the people from breakups day after breakup What comes next fear me? There's not that a mental Awareness you could relax Maybe that's not the path as always You know, so if that part if that Period lacks Yes, someone like come at you like when a rehab rehabilitation if that part lacks even also for the female When the female also knows what they have passed through a lot I love, you know, sometimes that situation even if you tell friends or others Is not taken that serious. I don't know now it comes to develop and cultivate This one hurts me. I put it Like he said also we have a problem letting go you're spreading each two to your friends Yeah, you're gonna find someone is in love with Zuri, but the kid who may be here you're like You know, we all go through that mental awareness. You're like, uh, you know that advice that GNC So you're like This person is my friend. I should also advice him. I should warn him To add on to that you're a diamond. What I think is actually diamond Kuna that relationship you have a separate Yeah, maybe he'll have a heartbreak Now any relationship diamond and I end up there is something he is expecting which he is not getting He is expecting maybe something in your master petal. I don't know And I'm pair as you know as a partner Now I can add to these others when you come to a miss. I'm a better and Zari the others And I thought totally oh, these guys are just different from the one I had before So and I thought and I ended up too and in fact diamond is not going to stop He's not going to stop But they I'm actually thinking by the Zuchi what I'm very surprised that Jamfanyi like a true Very soon would ask a heartbreak by the for sure But actually what I'm thinking about there month there month The last heartbreak because Because actually this guy Disrespect Wow, okay For that first love you have dedicated yourself I love who like, you know, it came maybe natural, you know, it was the first So okay, but at this break of love I said, but maybe to back up on that you that issue I could compare to try to you have already set the bar The standards and you will experience So for this we want to meet if they don't meet that You feel you're not enough I'd like to maybe finish off with asking this particular This case we'll call it a case study So And apparently this is not easy story Juicy It's just that it has re surfaced. In fact, Stephanie, I was educating me on it So we have a 23 year old He was dating someone who is a bit more. I want to say affluent And the mother was in a particular predicament Immediately after giving kidney Sister girl just Who gave the kidney the guy the guy gave the kidney to the mother of the girl Yes So much so that In fact, the guy's family did not even know what he had done So when he's trying to reach out to this baby girl now, there are even threats coming in like I talk to someone who will deal with you accordingly Now how do you think this particular mindset At the end of the day I mean for real But sit message Maybe sir that rehab come I shouldn't say come maybe that's rehab in my penzy. There's something in his idea cause Okay, I wish you can be after you know and you relate it to the Biblical story Adam after Adam the eve of America betray the trust and the love of God if They're not together again Okay, I leave kooja kaheel. Okay, kooja. Okay. Panda now Again So think here and as a pianist already appended. It's just that that career Yes, it was She'll find you an imbaya, but that's not the end of it. Maybe somewhere somewhere can find some Maybe it was the path for you to find Awakening awakening or You know like to you know like a blessing of to be screwed a bit to get it Like he'll go pta so that you get the one Maybe that was how his path will go Okay, I feel This guy Because he will really take a long time to heal because actually He was really expecting a lot from the lady because we could could donate kidney. Do you know how much a kidney costs? I love him too. Kidney to you be brave Imagine free of charge. And then you know actually What I would in my own perception I would think that the guy I want to expect more because it is now that I have done this This girl is going to love me more or I'm going to get more favors Or bondage it across strong. Maybe I look what she made up their mind Then what happens, but they actually this is not the first scenario But it's also another scenario it'll happen But it's not just Elena Gomez. Elena Gomez was donated a kidney by a friend But I don't know why after being donated that