 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt. I'm joined by Tyler. How you doing doing good man doing good That's what I hear that a certain amount of years ago today You came into the world and you said I arrived so happy birthday my friend Thank you. Thank you many happy returns as they say So other other than getting another year older and another year greyer What have you been doing on Linux this week? Well a living life without a bar in DWM, which is actually turned out to be Really really nice. I it forced me to make a whole bunch more bash grips for the functionality that I would typically just do in the bar Which is really nice. I really like it. It's forced me into doing a whole bunch more bash gripping this past week It's been a lot of fun So On that same vein, what have you been up to this week in Linux? Well, I have also been doing a little bit of scripting but Not nearly as much as you I watched some of that stream. I was like you streamed two days in a row Six hours one time like five hours the next time like dude That's that's some dedication right there I love streaming man. I love it. I can do it. I can do it exactly one time a week That's you although if we'd end up doing this Live every week. I'll end up doing it twice every week and that scares this crap out of me But yeah, anyways, I I'm working on a script that will allow me to change Rises for whatever window manager I'm using so that should be fun and If I can swing it, it would be great to have the script just Restart the window manager at the end of it So just hit a key binding and I can go to a different rice just by hitting a key binding that'd be so cool That's my plan. Anyways, we'll see how that works out. I Have a feeling that it's probably not gonna work out as well as I hope it would but my my brain says it's gonna be awesome Anyways, I've also been working on the website for the the channel and the podcast So I'm knee-deep in and CSS and HTML and I've come to realize that I don't know what HTML and CSS worth of damn Like I used to I used to be really good at HTML and CSS I had a website doing a tech blog or whatever and was messing around with all that kind of stuff I was pretty good at I mean, I'm not professional or anything, but That's been at least 10 years and I mean, maybe the eight or nine years Man am I rusty? Like I do remember how to make a link which is But I'm surprised I remember that much I used to remember all that stuff, but man and One thing I will say about CSS. I've I've been hearing this quite a bit It's like nowadays with a whole bunch of the like dark theme plug-ins and stuff when you're trying to do like some nifty things with CSS It'll just break like just one plug-in will just break your entire site Yeah Everything is so finicky now, especially with all those JavaScript libraries and stuff. It's really weird All right So I promise myself each week that I'm gonna get the contact info down to like two or three lines I haven't got there yet But we're getting close so if you are interested Following us or any of that kind of stuff you can do so on Twitter at the Linux cats You can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and stuff like that the Linux cast at work Eventually that's where the website. I'm working on will be but it's not there yet. 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Yeah All right, so each and every week Tyler and I Scare the internet to try to find at least one link each of news that we can share with each other So this week is no different Tyler. What is your? News link of the week Mine is elementary OS 6 is getting its first big post release update and this was actually posted 50 minutes ago, so this is a fresh fresh news article here And so apparently what we're gonna see in inside of this elementary OS 6 update is a whole bunch of more compatible apps in the app center, which Thank God Less at compatible apps like it was last yes, it's Much needed and then here's the big one that I think is I Think it's probably Addressing the fact that so many of us were criticizing this about elementary OS 6 when we all tried it out The app center will now show a link to flat hub if there's no search results So it's at least smart enough to know hey if you're searching and it's not here You need to go to flat hub and install it there And then it will open up open up the program again, and you can install it there And then you most likely won't have the problem of no search results again still not necessarily the Best fix in my opinion why don't they just integrate flat hub into the app Yes Should be I mean even the Ubuntu store is They integrate integrate from snap craft IO or with a snap hub whatever that's called. So, I mean it's obviously possible. I mean Why do they think they have to go through and approve every single app that's in their store if they're gonna use flat out Precisely my point like it just it's just make it easy to use for everyone but I mean we got a That's I think that's just one of the issues in the Linux space that we're gonna have to overcome when it comes to developing in a lot of areas we're not really even the built like It distros built for new users still assume Stuff about new users Because we're in a niche that you shouldn't assume about a new Linux user Understanding that going to flat hub is gonna magically make more software appear in the software center is not something you should assume Right whatsoever. Well, and I think it would be safe to assume that if you're a new user You would probably want to be able to download certain pieces of software that are necessary for you know using your computer for things like browsing the web and Office tasks and things like that and you can't download at least Prior to this point you couldn't download things like Firefox. You can download things like Google Chrome You can download things like like Libre Office. I mean I can understand the whole Google Chrome thing You may not want to host that in your in your Software store fine, but Firefox. I mean that's it's open source man. That's what yeah, I I Even the most die-hard fans of elementary OS aren't using epiphany I'm gonna tell you that right now the most die-hard fan out there the guy who runs it day in and day out and just Loves that shit to death is not using epiphany. They've used epiphany But then they probably used it to download Google Chrome or they'd use it to download Firefox, you know, that's it I mean that that's the whole When you when edge used to be you know, like really terrible like when it was just Microsoft's thing wasn't based on Chromium That's what you used edge for was to download Chrome on Windows, right? Because that's how you download shit on Windows is by going to the web Store and wait a minute. That's what you have to do with elementary OS is go to the web to download things This seems like awful. I like Windows way like what are we doing here? I Will give this to them at least it's getting better at least it's getting better cuz elementary OS 6 out of the gate was Not hitting their their target category of people which is just hilarious, but Is what it is. I mean we go on and on about this, but just one last thing For a distribution that has so much positive Or not as it has so many people that want to like it I mean because you know, it's good-looking it used to have a ton of software You know and the development team seems to be very interactive with the community. It's you know is Theoretically could be possibly the best New user distro out there. I mean if they if they want it to be But every time they do something weird it just That's them so far back and pisses so many people off and Yeah, it's really Ryan's thoughts on gentoo The whole chest down there's like gentoo gentoo gentoo. You know what no Go to your corner you gentoo fools. All right. Anyways moving on so my link of the week is that supposedly GNU slash Linux turned 30 years old a Few days ago and why I say supposedly is because no one's actually agreed on this date because technically what they're celebrating is The email that Linus Torvald sent to whoever I actually was in a mailing list Announcing that he was working on Linux. That was the 30th anniversary The actual current first kernel wasn't released until these are sometime in October, I think and as DT pointed out yesterday in his video GNU actually started being developed in them like the mid-80s. So It was very entertaining this past week to see videos to see articles like the one I'm showing on screen now Happy 30 birth 30th birthday Linux and it wasn't just foster-related Like websites. This was unlike the register and the daily telegraph or telegram or whatever the hell it's called and ZD net was on there had 30 like Hold on a second folks. Let's just for a second. Hold on. Let's see if we can agree on a date first And then we can start celebrating 30 years so Really really weird that we can't kind of get together on the fact that You know our we can't get together and agree on a date where Linux actually was created because the First distros weren't actually released for a couple years after that Like Debbie didn't come out until like 1993. I don't think So and that was like one of the first two distros the other one was Slackware that it Maybe I was like I have no idea. I was like seven years old. You weren't I mean you were like what two I Was born in 97 so Holy shit, man, you are You're you're almost born with a boon too That's hilarious you are young man, wow And you still baby of the community And I thought you were a little and I'm a little uncomfortable Like are you even allowed to go into a bar yet Tyler? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah barely Like just a few years ago, they call me back when you're allowed to vote. They're young and All right, so anyways, that was a stupid link That was a stupid thing that came in happened in the community this this week, too. Let's go understand it. All right, so Before we jump into the main topic, let's ask for questions and if it has anything to do with Jun2, I'm banning you If you have any questions, leave them in the comments section below and then we'll We'll answer them So native gaming on Linux is it important That's a good question your topic So why don't you cut us off and we'll wait for those questions to come in no sense. Yeah awkward silence while nobody asks a question Yeah, I I honestly don't think native gaming is is all that important Because here's the thing it's gonna happen no matter what just like anything else in the world It's gonna happen. Linux might might not you know hold a big market share However, it still happened like fos creation might not be the focal point of all software creation It's still gonna happen. So it's not like a native native Linux gaming is ever gonna die But it honestly doesn't need to be the focus I think what valve is doing is very very smart and pushing for develop your your game for whatever platform whether it be for Windows or whatever and it's just gonna work everywhere else takes takes effort off of developers and Valve is one of those companies where they don't I mean, they're not Google They don't just create something and kill it off next year because they just you know, it's whatever it's Google They just kill off products left and right cuz So I don't really think it's all that important Would you disagree? All right, so my question as I usually do I Answer these questions with questions. I should be a psychologist My question would be is Does native game Linux gaming make games better and I think we can answer that question is sometimes Sometimes native Linux gaming is better than you know having a Proton thing because as much as we like rah-rah proton, there are some cases and it's actually fairly common where the proton Implementation of a game is kind of terrible I mean, it's just kind of bad or your game doesn't launch or you have to go through and install 9,000 different dependencies like you're trying to install plasma or something, you know So so I mean there are situations where the native port of a game is Actually a better experience for people using Linux That being said I 100% agree with you that It does take Focus away from the actual getting of the game running well on Windows and then maybe them focusing Making it work well in proton if they focus put their focus on Making their game work well in proton then we don't need a native game now those people those developers that don't care about proton either They were never gonna make a native port any of Linux anyways, so yeah Man, buddy was ready to pass out before before the stream started now. He's like you play again So Ryan in the chat says question for Matt thoughts on buddy. My thoughts are buddy or is he needs to pipe down bro? No, I love buddy, he's great I feel like we're good friends buddy and I He's friends with everybody. I do find it hilarious You guys might not know this about Tyler, but he's always talking about going out with buddies like he has a bunch of friends He calls them buddy. So it's not ironic that he called his dog buddy So either he's named it after a bunch of his friends his group of friends or he named it after the elf I'm gonna as possible Let's see here, what else what other questions we got Matt thoughts on you know clinics never heard of it Never heard of that either is that is that pronounced eunuch? Oh Someone did have two questions like these. So what's your favorite distro? I Can print I'm gonna make a guess on this one for you. It's Arco. Am I wrong? It is Arco. Yes, Arco is my favorite You actually have a favorite or you hop way more than I do My favorite distro is arch and just hands down just mainline arch But I have found a very very like very deep respect and it comes in second is void Linux. It's very nice Really like it. I Would be on void and continuing to use it if it wasn't for my VPN Seriously, it's a very large VPN private internet access not Understanding that the only in its system out there. It's not system D Like it only recognizes system D. That's it Don't don't they have like an open VPN bridge or something that you can use To be honest, I know nothing about open open VPN I know how to download the install script for private internet Private internet access and run it and that's about as far as I know when it comes to VPNs open VPN All that type of stuff. That's it. That's all I know So Apparently on echo or whatever the hell it's called is the old name for gentles, of course Thoughts on core boot, do you think it's worth it? No, okay. It's not I'm gonna go with Tyler there and say no Google as ads company they kill anything until they are fed up with ads by ads money. Okay Okay, so I kind of got distracted there by the main topic and that's okay If we did this live again, we'd have a dedicated quick question section But it's hard to ask for questions and then wait for the questions to come in and not have anything to do while you're waiting So Yeah, so that was definitely something it will have to plan further in the future actual question though more and more people are asking me for a beginner-friendly Linux Just show the more people find out. I use links exclusively. I have no idea What to recommend? So what would we recommend us I would recommend either something like Linux Lite or Sparky Linux both of them are really really good and they don't come with the political connotations of something like Linux Mint or Alimentary OS if you use those you're gonna get embroiled in their Conflicts with Ubuntu I would not recommend straight up a straight up Ubuntu just because it doesn't look anything like Windows so Use something that looks like Windows. So maybe if you had to choose one like cinnamon The cinnamon spin of Ubuntu would probably be a good one Um What do you my recommendation would be completely different and again, I agree with your recommendations I think they're good. I mean, there's so much to recommend that's good that it's it's hard not to have a different one But mine would just be Manjaro only because I know some people have their problems with Manjaro, but My thing with Manjaro is it makes rolling release pretty easy whether you're not like you like the style of it out of the gate It's Linux you can change that like I'm pretty sure a new user will eventually find that out and be really surprised because Manjaro does make it really easy too to Change themes and all that stuff But at the very least when it comes I like recommending Manjaro to new new Linux users because a lot of the times I don't know their hardware and if it's something newer Something like a Linux Mint or something like that. It's just it is because the kernel is so old There's not and it's not gonna work for him. Yeah, I'd love to be able to recommend Arco I really would but it's just It's not big new user friendly. It's just yeah laptop or PC for home use Depends on how much space you have I'd say And if you would like the opportunity of like when you decide you want to go somewhere to at least take your computer with you That's that's what I like about having my main workstation be my laptop Yeah, I don't go I don't go places. So I had no I had no problem with just having a desktop. So I Got a lot of pops. They're all old as fuck and They don't work very well, so that's just I mean I always miss my multi-mult monitor setup So I do you agree with that the brush web browsers are starting with E. Which one is your favorite edge? You're a fifth thing I'm never gonna live that down never To be honest This is gonna be crazy, but out of the two of those I would rather use edge than epiphany epiphany is so bad Yes, so bad. All right, so Indefensive edge. It is a very good web browser if it was made by anybody else Literally anybody else other than Google like if it was made by I don't know Joe Schmoe's web browser company People would use crap out of it. It's really really good The only reason why 95% of the people who subscribe to my channel hate it is because it's made by Microsoft That's literally the only reason why and those 95% of people the vast majority of those guys never tried it well, I mean I've tried it and Even if it wasn't made by Microsoft, I wouldn't use it, but I I mean I would still Recommend it compared compared to it not being owned by a company that Just does all bad stuff typically But anyway edges edges just a chromium browser with some really good and sensible like plug-ins or extensions Built into it. It's nice. Like it's just it is nice I mean it would be really good if it didn't Beg you for a Microsoft account. Yes, they always make you to sign it They always want you to sign in but see the thing is I have a Microsoft account. I Just used that for they don't know my real name. They don't know my real age They've never had a credit card or address or anything like that. So I And the hotmail account that I have I use that whenever I need to sign up for something that I just knows I'm gonna spam the crap out of me. So I just Same with the Yahoo account that I have I because yeah, yeah, who was the first Email address that I ever had like on my own Forearm into college and got a college email. Yes, and then I used the college email address until they kick my ass off Like it was two two years after I left school. I suppose you do that. Well, let's see here I always recommend men jar or arts for programmers I'm considering installing on what I'm assuming he means Linux from scratch at the end this weekend. Good for you I Tried it by like Firefox where I'm so you mean Edge What if Edge would be made by Apple still the same opinion Well, if Edge wasn't made by Apple it wouldn't have nearly as many features because they'd polish it out So it would therefore not be as good of a browser Well, I will say this if if Edge was made by Apple I Would my opinion of it would be much better only because Apple when it comes to their like there's a real benefit when it comes to syncing your stuff up with an Apple ID and Apple is a company that takes Privacy very seriously like Apple doesn't Apple understands that their bottom line is not Improved by selling your data in mass What it is in held up by is you buying a computer that cost them $400 to make for $3,000. That's their bottom line. And guess what? There's millions of people doing it every year. So there If there's enough suckers out there to pay that much money for one of their pieces, you know, whatever That's a good business model if there's people out there do it I like F society says I like Safari. I don't know whether or not he's being sarcastic or not I've used it before it's not terrible, but it's not the best browser out. I mean Chrome still does Even though I don't like Google Chrome still beats the hell out of Safari and performance Which is weird because they're both webkit based browsers. I mean, it's really weird That so we were talking before we started recording that my phone is going to shit because one plus keeps pushing on updates That just continually make it worse and worse So I've been thinking of us Getting into phone and one of the options is getting an iPhone the thing that really bothered Makes you worry about getting an iPhone is that every browser on there. It has to be based on Safari I think everything won't they won't let you base it on anything else even Chrome is based on Safari on the iPhone and that would So wait, so you can't even get Firefox. You can download Firefox, but it's based on Safari I use Safari web engine because Apple will not allow alternative web web engines on iOS Yeah, awesome. Yeah, it's great They call it for security I'm sure that's exactly the reason why Thought I'm kiss Linux. I've never heard of kiss Linux. You ever heard of kiss Linux keep a simple Stupid Linux. Yep. What is it? I've never heard of it. Um, it's a good example of explaining because it it is essentially just a super simple distro where I mean you have to It's it's simple Not in ease of use or eat like ease of installation, but it's simple in the way that you install it. It's musel base They do have people I know will throw this in the comments There is a glibc version of it which if you're gonna use steam or something like that You're gonna need G kiss instead of just regular old kiss, but Kisses a distro where you're gonna have to set up and install everything like you pick out everything that you want And it's a very simple to manage and simple to install Operating system. There's not a lot of steps to it I mean as long as you consider picking out your own Linux kernel and Everything not having just a simple option to just install the kernel like you need to pull it down Build it make it yourself and then move on as long as that part simple for you. There's a whole thing simple It's very nice. I wouldn't recommend using it though for Particularly people like us. I I know you don't spend a ton of time playing games But you still do and you have your steam library Kisses not oriented for gamers one bit Okay It doesn't sound all that interesting to me. All right, so somebody asked her. I think it's umka I'm sorry. I'm gonna put you your name What hardware incompatibility or lack of support in Linux is still pissing you off Web cam support, bro The this webcam here costs 180 dollars. It's one of the top webcams on the market It's like the top web cam you can buy before you have to start actually buying like an actual fucking camera and Is utter garbage on Linux is so bad People don't actually see this stuff because at least at least in the videos I make I cut a lot of the stuff out Every once in a while you just get green Artifacting in his camera, and I don't know why I've seen it. I've seen it. Yeah, it's so stupid and like Makes me want to take it just throw it across the fucking room because it just drives me absolutely bonkers So yeah webcam support He's just take of all the like you can plug a keyboard in it'll work most printers you can get to work Uh Mice audio interfaces all that stuff even as much as we bitch about Paul's audio most for the most part that stuff just works Webcams though utter utter garbage There's like no support out there for them at all because all of them require this fucking proprietary Exclusive software in order to update their firmware and stuff and you can't get to work on on Linux unless you're like a uber hacker or something So I went so far as to install windows on that computer back there in order to upgrade the firmware And it didn't work because the car the soccer was garbage. So that would be my answer to that question Yeah, I pretty much agree. I mean you mentioned it but Paul's audio for me this hardware Incompatibility that drives me crazy is when it comes to new newer laptop stuff the I mean If you're if your laptops newer than a couple years Even on the latest Linux kernel, you're probably still going to run into some into some weird issues where you'll have to Shoot a kernel command to Keep the graphics cards in your computer from switching automatically because that can cause issues And then your internal sound card will just craft a bed sometimes And if you boot your computer up with a whole bunch of audio or USB interfaces plugged in I Believe that's just a pulse audio problem But I'm going to chalk it up to just Linux as a whole because I've experienced it in so many distros There's only one that I haven't experienced in and void. You're beautiful. Thank you Yes, if Gen 2 is $350 I'm assuming this for the patreon goal How much for slack we're install Think the thing is is I know jack shit about slack slack where I've never Even looked at a video of somebody installing it. So I would have no clue whether or not that's more difficult than gen 2 Or less difficult than gen 2. I'm assuming based on that question that it's probably more difficult Tengen to but I have no clue. I Don't think I don't think you got to worry. I'm at like seventy four dollars now We got a ways to go there, bro All right, so Let's go ahead and go back to the main topic. That was a nice little inter intermission for some questions So native Linux gaming we kind of answered the question, but I'm here's another good question do you think that For the bigger studios that Native Linux gaming is probably just going to be gone completely Yes, yes For triple-a studios, they've already really I mean rocket league is the perfect example of a triple-a studio that was focusing or at least paying Linux gaming it's proper, you know attention and then just stopped So I think with valve pushing proton and stuff and making it seem like there's really no reason to focus on native gaming For bigger studios, man, it just won't happen Yeah, I agree. Um The question we have to then ask is are we disappointed with that? And I think my answer to that question would be it depends on whether or not they focus on proton if Those studios actually put some effort into making the prototype their proton Compatibility, you know really good, and I don't think we'll actually miss the native Linux stuff If we get what we have now, which is basically them focusing on Windows or maybe Mac and Tosh and it works on proton just because Steam and Valver, you know wizards and you know It just kind of works, which is basically what we have now. We hope and pray and miracles Then it's gonna be well, you know, I really wish there was a native thing for this or at least they focus on proton because this is a crap This is a crap experience. You know, either you're getting 15 frames per second. It's unplayable or It won't launch or it crashes or something like that. I mean, that's You don't remember I'm not a gamer But the vast majority of my experiences at least so far with proton have not been all that pleasant I got I subscribed to the EA pass in Steam the other day was like 30 bucks for a year. It's like, this is a really good buy 30 bucks for a year And you go all these games you get mad and then you get all these racing games. It's like they got none of those things Actually work on Linux worth a damn Even Battlefield 2 which has like a platinum rating on proton DB. I couldn't get to launch I haven't tried that one yet. So it's really I mean, it's just I'm assuming that there's a dependency or something That I'm missing but that's not that's not a good experience And you you go out and spend six hundred dollars on a steam deck and that's your experience You're not gonna be very happy a very happy camper like at all. So I will say one thing I am really hoping that a lot of the rumors being spread are true where it's gonna end up where We're gonna get like a massive Massive update to proton at like right before they start shipping the stream decks. Yeah I think because that's what everybody's hoping like everybody's hoping that you know anti-cheese gonna be there DRM is going to be fixed and Protons gonna have this sudden leap forward in terms of being compatible with games that you know It only has been mediocre league supportive of them in the past. I think we're all gonna be massively disappointed I'm hoping not but I I mean I'm not I'm still taking the hope with a grain of salt, you know, yeah Like I'm just Maybe it's the pessimist in me because like I am very much a half a cup half-empty or whatever the hell it is You know glass half full. Yeah, whatever Cup half I am from the Noro fashion be using these southern things So but maybe it's just the way I look at the world and I just don't expect it to happen So I'd be I'd be pleasantly surprised if it happens, but I fully expect the steam deck to come out in December or January And I bet I would expect it to be not as good as people had hoped Which will be sad because yeah battlefront 2 is a Game that is Really old. I mean is really old at this point I remember playing at least one of the battlefront games the Star Wars battlefront games in high school, and I've been out of high school Good Lord for I don't know almost 20 years at this point And that's not even I graduated 24 2004 so You were you weren't even 10 years old when I was graduating high school, bro Yeah, so That's how old that game franchise is and the fact that it doesn't work on Linux and it may not or I mean at least not for me This is from a personal experience that Just points me keep pointing me towards the fact that I'm very worried about the steam decks release because there's So many examples of things just not working in proton But I think to go back to the main topic I would I would ask you this it it do you think there will be a negative outcome of more developers not Focusing on making Linux a priority I Think that Probably not because let's face it. There's not a ton of game studios out there focusing on native Linux stuff right now There's just really not the ones that focus on native links gaming are making open-source games You know tux cart and things like that Those those game studios if you really want to call them, you know three guys in a garage Studio, they're gonna continue making Linux games. This has no bearing on them whatsoever the views the vast majority of games in steam that are Linux Compatible and actually have a Linux game or a Linux port or whatever the vast majority of those Companies are probably going to continue on doing the same stuff. They've always done and Let's face it. Most of those games are pretty old at this point to and we've been bitching for years because this the Dependencies for those games have moved on and a lot of those don't work very well, even though they say they work on Linux So that's been a problem for quite a while too. So as for a making it a negative impact on Linux or Whatever, I I just don't see Native Linux gaming has never been that big Don't if all we had alright, let's put it this way if all we had was native Linux gaming We would never be talking about Linux gaming at all because all we'd be talking about is how there are no games on Linux, you know Of the steam library like What 20% or something like that some really small number actually runs on Linux natively so And a lot a lot of those games that do run natively It's mostly because of steam that they ever started running natively and focusing on like killing floor really wouldn't Like which which is one of my favorite Linux native games I play a way more than I should that game One of the main reason it is Has a native Linux port is because it's easy to distribute it and easy to sell it through steam So Yeah It's gonna it really all comes Everything here everything we talked about could be completely obsolete if the steam deck fails Because then it will just go back to the way it was. I think I don't think It's possible that steam will try again eventually like two or three years down the road But if the steam deck fails The games that already support Linux are just going to continue to support Linux as they have They'll continue to get older and unsupported and all that stuff, but that's the way games are And we'll have proton probably there My only worry about the steam deck failing is that and we've talked about this before As if it fails Does steam then stop supporting proton nearly as much as it used to because then maybe they just give up That's a little worrying for me because I Again, I fully expect the steam deck to completely flop I mean a lot of people are going to buy it right off the gate, but those initial reviews are going to be very negative I just have a feeling and it's again my negativity of viewing the world You know, it's just it's just telling me that people are going to try to load up call of duty on that steam deck And it's not going to run Or it's going to need you know dependencies downloaded from the AUR You know And I can just I can just see You watch that video of that guy from the verge build the computer He's going to be this he's going to be the same guy who reviews this probably and then In order to get the thing he's going to have to figure out how to download something from the AUR It's going to be utter hilarity Poor man, dude. I've never seen someone abuse a computer before it's even built like that I don't think he still works for the verge and I also don't think he's ever shown his face on the internet again No, he got he got fired Then he set his mind in a little video after that and then after After people craft on his response to it and how childish he was I don't think he's really graced the internet with his presence I know I wouldn't show my face if that Like I'm not a professional computer builder like I've only done it a couple times But I did a way better job than he did and I did that from youtube tutorials I mean he didn't watch a single youtube tutorial Like Linus tech tips man. His whole channels built on that. You didn't watch one video LTT did like a build guy like once a week when that channel first started out That was what he did what what they did. It was in a kitchen It was it's really right. All right So anything else to say on native Linux game before we move to the pics of the week I don't think so. All right. Good. All right So each and every week Tyler and I Think about things that we've used on Linux over the last week that are important or that we've you know fiddled with or something And we call them pics of the week because that's the most original name we could come up with And that was sarcasm So, uh, Tyler, why don't you tell us what your pick of the week is? Mine is I mean, I'm sure a lot of you are using it You might you might be using something else, but it's dunced and it's a little program to get, you know Just show you notifications when apps want to well send you a notification And I really like dunced. Um, haven't had a problem with using it. Um, it's very reliable easy to use And easy to configure The config that i'm using for dunced. I I really like it notifications are Big but not insanely big They're You know that it it will display a much larger notification like I've got a nifty little pro script that I read uh read good lord english I wrote uh, that just don't worry. He had a stroke. Sorry Just a minor one. It's all good But um, it's a little program that uh, 30 every It'll it'll take a time randomly between 30 minutes and three hours and shoot me out a nice little humbling insult just to keep that ego in check and it pikes it through cal say so it's this It's this large notification. I really like the fact that dunce handles it very well That's cool. Um, I have that's dunce installed but doesn't work for me I used to um, but now that I think about it. I haven't seen a notification on my system in ages And I like I have it running it on startup. So something obviously is messed up there. I'll have to look into that Um, yeah, dunce is awesome. I love being able to theme it If your program can't let me theme it then uh, it's dead. It's a problem. Yeah And I mean actual theme and I'll just choose a dark theme Like elementary os that's not theming. That's just choosing a dark theme. It's okay. It's better than it used to be but it's not Okay, so speaking of theming uh There is a few of these programs out there that are kind of like this and before we talk about we should just notice If you use this program to theme your discord. It's called power cord Just know that you're violating the discord terms of service Uh, you and you are I mean, it's just the way that their terms of services layout So if you install this just know that that's a thing you could They're radically be kicked off discord for using this It has not happened Two individual users they have blocked apps like this before but that's usually just kicking out the developers. So, um Anyways power cord allows you to theme your discord. It also has a few plugins and stuff like that, but uh, as you all know, I have, uh been making trying to make everything grow box theme and Discord was the next thing on the list and there isn't very nice draw box theme for discord um, and it uses power cord in order to install it's, uh Better than simple cord. I think it's called the other one is called because it doesn't actually take up a ton of uh resources the Simple cord one was taking like two or three percent of my cpu just constantly and that was just really annoying, right? This one does not do that the only problem with this one is that you have to use be using the development branch of discord in order to Use it You have to be using discord canary in order to have this work at all and that means you're going to be getting updates like All the time. I mean like literally all the time So this will definitely work better for you If you're on something that has a arch where you can actually get those updates really quick so, um Let's see last thing on the chant the the chant No, I've had my stroke. It's okay Uh, theming is time-consuming color adjustment is not easy Uh, I spent all my time theming. So it's okay. Right. Thing is good. I love theming So, uh What are your what are the best fonts on linux with icon support nerd fonts? Yeah, you want to get that nerd fonts and uh Choose if you don't have good internet connection just choose one uh Then you can just download that one font because downloading the whole thing is like all the gigabytes Yeah, it's like it's I'm as far as as far as I know. I believe it's 16 gigs of font Ridiculous, it takes a bit to download that thing. So if you have Bandwidth caps or you don't have uh, uh, you know High-speed internet just choose one and then you can shoot You know or choose two and then use those don't download the whole thing personally what I like to use is um, like I picked my one like nerd font which for me is monopher um, and then I also use the material icons um font Which I believe that's from google, but it's it it's really nice for displaying Different icons and stuff like that if you want to use them up in like your twm taskbar or a bar stuff like that So I use hack nerd font a lot um, and mainly because that was the first one that I could get I I used that I could get to work with like, um All my zsh in the terminal, uh, I've since bypassed that level of uh Dumb ashery or something. I don't know I I finally got past that point. I can actually do it with other fonts now But when I first started looking for ways to displaying icons in the terminal hack nerd font was the only one that I could do So I'm attached to that. I also use jetbrains mono a lot um, I really like that that Excuse me, that's the main one that I use now for my bar and everything like that is jetbrains mono Uh, but a buntu mono nerd font is also actually kind of good. So If uh, those are the three that I kind of rotate between But honestly, I'm not a font snob at all My eyes for whatever reason a lot of the times I can't tell the difference between one mono font and the next Unless they're really blatant, uh differences Most part most monofonts look exactly the same Now I can't tell you I haven't gone through and looked at all my thousand different not nerd fonts It's possible that there's plenty of differences there, but uh, oh, there definitely is I mean most people can't stand the one that I use because it's got as I like to put it more character to it Oh, you mean the Yeah, I can tell there's between your comic sands and the rest of the the things because that is comic sands, bro um so Astral all asked, um Should I switch to cute browser? Yeah, you should definitely she was cute browser at least give it a try you won't you won't be you won't be sorry Um, just know that there are some websites out there that don't render it So you'll you should have something to back up when you come across that it happens Uh, especially things that uh require input things like tumblr and facebook and all that stuff if you have you know go onto those sites Those are the things I had most problems with So far I I use cute browser for Pretty much everything and the only the only site that I go to that I've noticed doesn't work in cute browser Is um netflix that's it and that's only because well actually if I installed the Widevine thing it worked fine, but whatever and you know just Most of the time I I I would just use netflix uh in firefox. Yeah f-society ash What is your favorite window manager and? three letters dwm I think that's the way for both of us um Uh, I like Cutile a lot and I think you're the same you like you talk a lot too, right? Um, I just don't like the way cutile Probably in the chat right now, but somebody's gonna tell me well Matt you can have more than nine workspaces in cutile I've never figured it out I've never taken the time to figure it out and I don't really want to take the time to figure it out because dwm comes with 18 workspaces for me Uh, and if I got another monitor I could have another nine so Um Art center just joined the chat. What's up, man? All right uh So yeah, dwm is my favorite and uh, I I just I just I just like it. It's it's good You know, I like the ability to add patches and make it cool and twiddle and tinker around with it And I understand c++ at least a little bit Because somebody asks, you know, well, like you like you like tinker and stuff. Why didn't you like x-mone ad? It's called haskell. I don't like it I'm not a big panel haskell either I I don't I can't get my head around haskell at all. I don't know why like After 10 or 15 minutes with lua. I could understand a little bit of lua I used Haskell and x-mone ad for a while for like a month I knew less at the at the end than I did at the beginning It sucked out my knowledge Um, uh, someone said I they like qtile, but if they change something that it breaks Yes, that's the problem like almost every time qtile has an update It's there's a good chance your config file is just gonna crap itself They mess around with that bar like every single update They take out widgets and change the widget names like that and then then just the whole thing crashes and dies Yeah, that's another good reason not to use qtile, which is disappointing. They should have We have a mechanism for that right we it's called long-term support releases Like release a long-term support release people can just stay on that subscribe to that the stable version Uh, and then you know test out the one in like a rolling release I've been meaning to try x-mone ad you should try x-mone ad and then leave running scared When you're done, I might actually do that For the stream later, I might actually I've never tried x-mone ad before I've tried looking at haskell and enjoying reading it, but that Is a challenge. Yeah, you should definitely install x-mone ad I will try to watch your stream, but it's uh, it's gonna be late So you knowing you you'll probably still be streaming for a little while. So I'll I'll be in there eventually All right, I think That is it for us this time. We've done our done our picks of the week We've done everything I can think of us for us to do And we've been going now for an hour, which is surprising because it didn't feel like an hour We've had had some good time all right, so that is it for us this week if You want to get in contact with us the contact information was stumbled upon earlier on in the episode So make sure you check that out. You can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast before I go I like to take a moment to thank my current patrons Devon chris east coast web gen 2 is fun too marcus maiglin sven jackson knife and tool joshua lee mitchell art center Merrick camp and mr. Fox Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you next week boy