 Suffer less, but killing's fine Everyone's got a day Yeah, but it's written Come on everyone's got a day, it's better okay now Written us, sometime they got a day Like I could shoot someone in the head and they don't feel a thing, is that okay? It's written Don't be scared, come on, don't be shy Tell me about it, tell me about it What'd you get, cheese and chicken? Are you um Okay, so I've got the sign here, there's no argument against being a vegan Right So what's your argument for not being vegan? Like why aren't you vegan? We can't survive without meat, like we need You need meat to survive? Yeah I've been vegan for seven years, how am I still alive? Seven years Yeah Long term, I don't know I don't know really Do you think you can survive without eating animal products? Personally, I'm not a fan of vegetables I don't like it, it's about personal taste as well I don't think it's about that I think it's about animal cruelty, animal suffering and like killing It depends, it depends what country I do agree with that Are you Muslim? Yeah So how do they kill them in their halal way? The readings And the slides they throw, let them bleed out So do you think that's ethical? It's a part of life in a part of circle Let's give you two choices, slash an animal's throat open Right Or not kill them and just eat plants What do you think is more ethical? Slash their throat open and eat them Yeah throat open is more ethical It's ethical What if you just left them alone, right? We didn't mass breed them and kill them by the bill Wouldn't they be overpopulated then? We need a way of cycle though Why do they exist anyway? How do they come into existence? I'll give you a clue These animals exist You don't eat pigs anyway, do you? Do you eat pigs? I don't eat pigs But anyways, they forcibly impregnate these animals You eat cows, you eat cows, you just said you ate cheese Right So they're forcibly impregnating the cows here So if we stop breeding them, what happens? Stop breeding them They're not going to overpopulate are they? Yeah but then they're going to go extinct So which one is it? There is no They're going to overpopulate or they're going to go extinct In my opinion Wait a second If we don't eat rhinoceroses, is that why they're going extinct? Maybe If we start eating them, there'll be more of them That'll be ethical I mean people did eat them a time ago Then they learned the way he's not to eat Eat certain animals, certain not I'm a Muslim so I do believe in like There's something called Eid It's animal sacrifice But you don't have to sacrifice an animal to make a sacrifice to God Would you rather have an animal slaughtered Or What do you sacrifice your time? Your money? Sacrifice your time to help others Sacrifice your own kid Where our prophet was In a position where he was placed with his kid Like his son And would you rather sacrifice that Where he put his son down to be honest He was going to sacrifice his son for the gods But it got changed Into a sheep and then A sheep and I'm not quite sure With the nose But as far as I know it was that So what if I said okay it's Eid I'm going to sacrifice you I think there was a point I'll sacrifice you, would you think that's ethical? No but you wouldn't eat me though What do you mean? What if I did? Well that's a different topic we can go on No I want to know the difference But you know what I'm saying If I sacrificed you for Eid and ate you But that's not Eid though isn't it That's like killing someone It's a requirement to be a Muslim to kill animals So you can be a good Muslim Christian eat pigs But you can be a vegan Christian But you can be a vegan Christian And you can be a vegan Muslim Actually it's not about religion It's about your personal choice where you eat But you think this is personal choice? So you do have a freedom of speech right You can talk about anything We do have a freedom of what we want to eat But like when there's a victim involved Let's just say you can have freedom to do what we want It's a victim you know You don't think animals are victims? There is places like You know they abuse a lot of animals You don't think a cow can be abused? They kill them in a certain way that I don't agree with Certain places they hit them in the head If I took a dog and killed them the hell out way Would you agree with that? There's a hell out way to kill a dog The way that they slash the throat of a cow That you eat Why is it cruelty for a dog but not cruelty for the cow? They're not eating it What if I ate the dog? I'm not a Muslim so it's not Haram for me What if I ate the dog would you be okay with that? I can't really control you though Do you think it's ethical? You don't believe in morals? No I do but Do you think it's ethical for me to cut a dog's throat Give me a tricky question but I have to agree with you That's what I'm trying to say It's not a trick question it's just a simple question The simple answer is no It's not ethical Killing a eating a chicken Sorry bro Eating a chicken awesome I'm just saying If I replace these chickens with dogs And do you think that's ethical? Right so You're a vegan right? Plants do No wait before I go into the plants with you Which I will I'll happily do it But can you please answer If I replace these chickens with dogs Would you think that's ethical? Morally fine If it was done for a year then yeah No no just right now Morally okay This is me saving a chicken Do you think that's more ethical Do you think what I'm doing to this turkey is more ethical Than the halal killing There we go you're going back to the religion It's not about the religion Because I'm talking to you I want to make it personal to you so you understand I do understand I've watched these videos on YouTube I know where you're coming from I do disagree with the way they do certain things But it has to be a circle It has to be working in a certain way Right now though bro Where do you get your chicken sandwich from? Archies So you had a choice To either pay for a chicken to have their throat slashed open Live in a factory farm Halal animals are living in factory farms too The dairy products are forcibly impregnated cows And you know they're being executed In slaughterhouses You know the dairy industry has Well let's get to the plants though isn't it We can but you had a choice to either Eat plants or cause all that suffering To these animals They're suffering to the plants just cause they don't We don't hear them scream We don't see the blood coming out Don't you think they suffer from pain when you Absolutely not There's no scientist alive that believes plants Actually are conscious beings that feel pain No matter They're certain things that grow right You're still doing something to them It's alive though isn't it It's alive yeah You can't go through something without pain You have to go through something with pain Do you think there's a difference between me killing A human being and me killing a tomato No there's no difference the same thing Same thing So you think that we should be arrested for killing a tomato No cause we're eating that Do you think we should be arrested for killing a human We're in a world where we don't see killing plants As a certain like What's it called Out of law or something you know Yeah but I'm just saying like if I kill a tomato You're doing the right thing saving certain It's a good thing but I do agree with you But I don't agree with you fully Like you can't fully turn into Vegan you chose to be vegan right Well I chose to be against animal cruelty And animal abuse and needless killing Of animals But certain people don't do that What are you talking about you though bro I'm talking about everyone You don't care about animal cruelty in that I do But you pay for it We don't have to We choose to You're making a choice you're choosing to be cruel You're choosing to be cruel And away yeah if you have to say that You can also choose to find a vegan option You can still be fine in the eyes of Allah Yeah of course There's a lot of stories At least you 100% know it's all Halal Because you don't 100% know where this chicken come from You didn't follow it from the farm You're trusting them You didn't know how they were killed It doesn't convince me to change The way I do certain things But it doesn't give me Idea of what's going on in the world You can make Decisions like this That don't involve animals You know what I mean And that's a choice you can make I'm not expert with things I just came on I saw the sign earlier Do you honestly believe a carrot Is the same as a pig When you kill them I did hear it somewhere I'm not sure where I did What they do is they respond to stimuli In the environment but they don't have a brain There's no one in there But you come from the idea I'm trying to see You're still plugging the thing It doesn't matter because they're not sentient They're not conscious These are conscious beings They have a brain, they have eyes They have ears, they get scared But a carrot is not conscious How do you know? Science How do you believe in science? You know how you have a brain And you have eyes and you have a functioning nervous system I'm not too sure I'm agnostic about that There we go There's a lot of things we haven't explored yet We can't really just make our minds On certain things Just because they don't act the way Animals act when they die Or humans act when they die It doesn't mean they don't The burden of proof is on the person making the claim So you have to prove to me that a carrot is sentient I don't have to prove to you that they don't I'm not trying to prove any point right now I'm not trying to prove that it's right to kill I'm not trying to prove it's wrong to kill I'm trying to say is that The way you're saying to us like You're killing animals is cruel You believe that though You told me that you're against animal cruelty You're not against carrot cruelty That's why I said I don't eat vegetables So in a way I'm a wider vegetable You eat bread You just have sandwich to eat So if I stop eating vegetables If I turn into For meat eater Still making someone suffer If I turn into vegan In my opinion I'm still making someone suffer So why turn into certain things just eat whatever is there That's what you're trying to do You're saying plants and animals are the same It doesn't matter what cruelty you cause to the animals Because the plants feel the same amount of pain Because we don't know But in my opinion We do know The animals that you eat actually eat plants too So you're causing more plant deaths by eating animals There we go So why don't you just make the more theoretical choice I don't think plants feel pain at all You don't either because if I kicked a carrot you wouldn't care If I kicked a puppy If I kicked a puppy you would probably punch me in the head Of course Like I don't think you're the same as a carrot Someone hit you I'd probably hit them back That's all different sorry What I'm trying to say is We can't blindly trust science We can't blindly trust what we see Can you blindly trust religion No So you can make your own ethical decisions as well With your conscience We choose to do so God put you here Which I don't know I'm agnostic about that At least God gave you a brain conscience To make your own decisions In this world I'm not too sure how I was created but all I know is I've got a conscience I've got a heart I've got emotions I choose to not put this suffering That's how I choose to be animals Not animals like that Choose to cause suffering and death to animals So you can eat them You wouldn't pay for it If I pay a hitman to kill you I'm responsible for you dying You're eating vegetables or whatever I eat grow I eat chocolate I have a vegetable You don't have vegan pizza You'd have to eat vegetables all the time If you go to pizza it's not halal But they've got vegan option I don't really agree with you I do agree with you If you eat vegan all the time You can 100% guarantee that it's always halal I've got freedom of choice I can choose what I want to do If you can choose to hit a dog You can choose to be cruel to a cat There was no law Being a dog was not seen as bad Now there's law and you see being a dog as bad Now it's law You can see beating a cow as bad There's a lot of people doing a lot of things Killing human beings Probably eating each other I don't want to eat a human You say it's wrong I know it's wrong I know it's wrong because they're conscious beings Who desire freedom like I do So if I was to take that from them I wouldn't want it done to me I don't know me but I gotta go You can escape mate I know what it is I know what it is I'm only joking brother This is called challenge 22 Free help going vegan I'm not trying to trick you into anything I just think it's obvious to me It's obvious that animals are suffering And they feel pain and they want to live It's not obvious that a tomato is No scientist alive believes a tomato is suffering The same way that a rabbit Or pig or chicken or dog suffers How do you know that though? Because they can tell with science There's no nerves, there's no brain, there's no consciousness That's what I'm trying to see How do you know this table isn't suffering Wait a second, how do you know? There's atoms in here There's atoms we're all made of atoms Maybe I should give this table rights It could be It's something called the burden of proof The burden of proof The table is hurting or not I'm making the claim so I've got to prove this table is hurting I need evidence don't you? You know what evidence is? Yeah of course I do You need evidence to make a claim If I just come into something I don't have any evidence Like you've got evidence right here They're suffering but there are so many people out there Helping our animals Charities, you know So many things You think you're helping animals when you eat a chicken sandwich? No but they're... You're hurting them when you eat a chicken sandwich You're going to die, I'm going to die and it's death It doesn't mean killing is good Because you're going to die I shouldn't murder you I believe if it's written Either it's you being killed Or you being in a car accident Or you just dying because of a heart attack It's written though You could make a choice right now to shoot me in the face It could be written You don't believe in certain things But I do isn't it? Everything's out of your hands Not everything You've been given freedom of choice by God You can choose to do something cruel right now If you wanted to Why do you choose to do something cruel? I don't know You can choose to do something a little bit kinder to animals too I've got a pet dog If I shot your dog in the head and ate your dog You know I see you cruel You've been... If I just said it's written I killed your dog, sorry man It was Whatever happens you know You can't do certain things It's out of your control sometimes Walking there gets shot Anything right End of the day he's going to die If he dies it was written to die If he survives There's some things that are out of your hands right I've got a friend who's been stabbed 7 times Still alive, still fine If it was not written for him to die that time He's not going to die What about if the guy that stabbed your friend chose You know there are ways people died There's good, bad Harsh, like that Cruelty, if it's written it's going to happen That's what I'm trying to say Is there a difference between something that's out of our hands and it being in my hands right now? There's only so much we can do Aware awareness Let people know, educate them End of the day it's a choice they're going to choose to do You can tell them, I can tell them They're going to choose to do I can be a vegan or I can deliberately go and buy a chicken sandwich And pay for animals to be tortured and killed So that's my choice And I had that choice 3 times a day when I ate So why not make the vegan choice That's what I don't understand, why not Why shall I when I'm choosing to do what I want to do But the animals don't get to do what they want to do as well So you have to think of yourself You have to think of others as well You can't always think about others Not always, but just like But that's me being vegan for 7 years Thinking about animals itself You know how easy it is to be vegan You can't think about others all the time But you've been vegan for 7 years Only when I ate Trying to protect or save animals I agree with that right That's a good thing that you're doing out there But at the same time You're thinking about animals You're not thinking about yourself You know I ate for lunch yesterday Subway, meatless maple sub You know how hard that was It was easy How does the It was easy Choice? It's almost like a meaningless choice So wherever the Friday Or whatever they did Was not cooked or fried Not oil that comes from Well I only care if I'm directly funding the industry So if I order a chicken sandwich I'm paying for the birds to be executed You might not know But you still might have something to do with animals There might be some cross contamination That doesn't fund the industry Like you fund it directly by a chicken sandwich It's about funding the industries that abuse animals So Now we're moving to funding but not Supply and demand do you know what I mean? Yeah I do but again Is it about animals or funding the Industry out there You said like You know like the subway I buy the plant based meatballs They have to replace those plant based meatballs with new ones If I buy the chicken They have to replace that chicken with new chicken So it comes from somewhere Where you got the subway from Didn't just touch Anything to do with meat And just touch your meatball That doesn't support the industry It doesn't matter That's a different topic industry You don't want anything to do You can't really say You've been vegan for 7 years Without Having nothing to do with animals If you were You wouldn't even have subway That's what veganism is to start with It's the philosophy against The exploitation and cruelty to animals How is it cruel? I'm not an expert I'm just walking about I know what the definition of vegan is We've got chars We do what we've got to do We do what we've got to do So if you want to choose to be Vegan for 7 years and I want to be Eating meat for 7 or 8 years Or my whole life I can do End of the day you can just Educate people and let them know What's going on in the world But we can't help everyone We can't think about everyone or the animals All the time we have to think about what we are I've just got hope in people I see the good in people I hope that people make the good choice The decent choice I'm trying to speak for the animals They can't speak for themselves They can't defend themselves from people I think we take advantage of them It's fine It's morally fine It's not certain ways I do agree with you It's bad again The way they do certain things is really harsh and cruel They don't have to make them suffer and kill them There are ways I don't know the exact ways but there are ways You can make them less suffer If that's the word Suffer less but killings fine Everyone's got to die It's written Everyone's got to die I can shoot someone in the head and they don't feel a thing Is that okay? It was written It makes it okay because they're all going to die It's life Shooting someone in the head is the circle of life No that's wrong It's written who cares They're going to die anyway You might as well shoot them in the head I disagree with the statement You know what I'm saying I disagree with the statement you're making You're trying to take the What I'm saying is in a different way You're trying to put it into the human context What you're saying about chickens They're going to die anyway The idea of what life is Animals got to die Plans got to die Human beings got to die It doesn't mean we have to murder We don't have to murder If it's written to die You can choose not to murder In a murder way or a certain way Suicide because you chose to drive Right? But it's accident It's life, you got to move on I'm not against transport But I'm against Executing animals for Sandwich Well I got driven here Had a bunch of equipment If you got an accident and you died Not right now while you were on your way here What would you call it An accident or what You could believe that it was fate Right? But I think shooting someone in the face Is your choice, you chose to do that It's the same idea with everything Not just shooting Getting shunked or anything Same idea You could have a knife in your hand and choose to stab someone innocent Or you could put the knife away And choose to go help them out With their shopping baskets Someone coming up to you right now with A weapon trying to kill you What would you do? I'll defend myself, I'll probably smash them in the face with this And try to take the knife out of their hand And stab them to death with a knife If it happens in real life I'm just giving an idea Of what might happen right You get stabbed I could get stabbed in the throat, I might not see it You still defend yourself I could get knifed in the throat But that's your death That's your death But that person who did it is murder Right? You get jailed or whatever it is In this world I'm trying to talk about it's written Whatever's going to happen is going to happen There's right, there's wrong I don't understand why you've got two choices here Don't make them suffer and kill them Or make them suffer and kill them Why don't you kill people who are killing each other? Why don't you stab them again? I would do Can you stop that? Can you stop it? Sorry? You can make a difference though You can make an awareness That's what everyone's trying to do I'm trying to You come from a vegan side perspective I come with the same idea Where people are killing each other, stabbing each other I've got so many friends who have been stabbed A lot of things going like that I do go and protest like that Do the same thing At the same time I'm coming from the same idea where you're trying to come from With animals, when human means So what we can do Is make awareness, we can let the people not educate them Like I'm trying to do here But you do it with your friends and you say Put the knife down sort of thing It's not about putting the knife down Do you ask me to make different choices? I still agree You can't just leave everything There has to be a pain Involving certain things Life is life It's not always going to be fair to you With these animals who are going to it Has this baby lamb ever heard anyone? I don't know I can just see I can't just believe everything that I see You're just recording something Suffering, suffering, suffering Why don't you record people taking care of it They do, they do And I've got some of that footage On the end here My uncle Goes every week and feeds street dogs Or just gives food out So that's what I'm trying to say It's not always But he still eats meat That's what I'm trying to say But I'll say what he eats But when he eats the meat I'd say that he's paying for the animal to be He's helping them with one hand while he's hurting them with the other That's what I would say about that You can't say both of y'all One's got to get hurt to get another one Reaching up there Tell me how hard it was for you to buy your chicken sandwich before Really hard to walk a lot Ah, come on But how much harder would it be to find A vegan option Maybe a little bit harder and you could save an animal's life To be honest When I went to Natchez and I looked in the menu I barely even saw any vegan option To be honest I've got a vibe here which would help Let's just say it was a little bit I appreciate your time anyway Take care mate You don't want to take this? No, not worth it with you Do you want to take this? That was a tough conversation I didn't know what to say at some points Very Very strong minded I'd say It seemed like a good kid though You know A good kid but very strong minded And couldn't see it from the Trying to ask him to see it from the victim's perspective Eh Are you a vegan? Yeah More vegetarian sometimes I do But I could just do it with ice cream But I try and avoid it because they're just There's vegan ice cream Oh my god, yeah there is It's been a student It's quite difficult with a vegan lifestyle Because it is a bit like