 Roll call, please Bowers excused Decker Yesha Hanna Heidemann Koth Kittlesen Clowness Montemay or Rindflash Cirque Van der Wiel Voo and Wongamon 15 present we have a quorum now if Otherperson Montemay or can please lead us in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation Under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Marilyn looking for approval of the minutes of the Previous Council meeting President Moran Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I moved to approve the minutes from the last meeting We have a motion and a second under discussion. No discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed Motion carries Resignations attorney McLean Thank You, Mayor Ryan at a resignation from Willie Sharrer from the International Committee due to commitments that have something Lee and unexpectedly expanded For a motion from the floor President Board Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I moved to accept and file the resignation We have a motion in a second under discussion No discussion all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed Motion carries Mayor's appointments attorney McLean I hereby submit the following appointments for your confirmation to the business improvement district Rick S. Grogans Mike van der Steen and Darren Bricko Terms expiring 9 14 2012 signed by the mayor that lies over until the next meeting confirmation of mayor's appointments attorney McLean Henry Nelson to be considered for appointment to the housing rehabilitation committee to fill the unexpired term of Aaron Gabriel's whose term expires 426-2010 signed by the mayor From motion from the floor. Thank You, Mayor Ryan to move to approve the appointment We have a motion in a second under discussion No discussion. We have a roll call, please Born I bulk Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann cut Kittleson Clowness Montemay or Rinfleshe Suric van der wheel And Wongamon 15 eyes motion carries Election of the board of water commissioners member President board Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I moved to open the floor for nominations for the board of water commissioners And then I we think we have to ask if there are any other nominations. Are there are there any any nominations? From the floor vice president Gisha. Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I nominate art Stewart for the board of water commissioners We have a motion and a second. Are there any other nominations? For the board of water commissioners any other nominations? President board Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the nominations be closed and to cast the unanimous ballot for art Stewart as the new board of Water Commissioner second Have a motion in a second To close nominations I know this would be to actually Casting an okay to cast a need. Okay. We have a motion in a second to cast a unanimous ballot for Mr. Art Stewart for the board of water commission all in favor say aye opposed Motion carries a mr. Stewart. Are you here? Congratulations Public forum Yes, our one this evening is delcy Johnson and delcy can I have your home address, please? 1306 North 3rd Street, Sheboygan Have five minutes. Thank you Mayor Ryan members of the council and citizens Last week I obtained a copy of the fire department ambulance service financial and activity report for 2008 Some months ago. It was reported that the ambulance service made a profit of 406,188 dollars This of course was computed using only marginal costs and does not reflect all the costs involved in providing this service So in the interest of transparency when one does a full-cost analysis and figures personnel costs for 19 Paramedics rather than just the four new hires the profit becomes a deficit of 975,796 dollars That figure is even larger when one considers that the information presented in the report does not include any administrative Expenses not one dime for training although $2,000 was budgeted and not one dime for the vehicle equipment lease which was budgeted at $90,000 Adding the $92,000 one arrives at a deficit of over a million dollars and we still have not included any Administrative costs. I haven't asked so I do not know how startup costs are being accounted for or repaid But would I presume be an additional expense adding to the deficit and the deficit will grow even larger in 2009 when one considers as discussed at the finance committee meeting on August 24th that both runs and collections were down in the first six months of 2009 Personnel costs will grow by 10 and a half in 2009 because of the pay and bonus increases Paramedic firefighters received a 3% pay increase on January 1st a one and a half percent increase on July 1st and up to 24 paramedics received a 3% bonus on January 1st and We'll receive an additional 3% bonus on December 31st for a total of 10 and a half percent Also of interest I found is the fact that over time was 53% over budget and gasoline costs were 101 percent over budget Runs and transports exceeded projections by 35 percent which accounts for some of this overage But you have heard me speak before about observing ambulances tooling around town and down by the lake And I have spoken with numerous citizens on the north and south sides of town who have observed the same thing Evidently the ambulance drivers are not bothered by wasting gasoline and they obviously also have time to waste Either neither chief was Tuskeying or any elected official is telling them to stop this practice or they are not following orders It is interesting to know that the city of Fond du Lac separates the costs involved and providing ambulance services from their fire department services At the August 24th finance committee meeting Alderman Boren stated that Fond du Lac figured a loss of one and a half million dollars for 2008 They attribute 50% of administrative costs to each service 75% of paramedic firefighter personnel costs and 10% of all firefighter personnel costs are attributed to the ambulance service One would hope that this council would choose to follow Fond du Lac's model But unfortunately, I think that you prefer to see things through rose colored glasses Moving on to another topic While I applaud the goals and objectives of the 2010 city of Sheboygan budget resolution Which will be discussed tomorrow evening at the committee of the whole. I am curious about one of the whereas classes specifically the one that reads Mid-year impact negotiations requesting the return of a one and a half percent July 1st Rays failed to get any labor support thus putting the 2010 budget in further jeopardy I have been told that the public works union was willing to give up their July 1st One and a half percent pay increase and agree to co-payments for their health insurance in an effort to prevent layoffs But the city down and instead chose to lay off people. I Was at the salaries new grievances committee meeting on August 21st 24th when the issue was raised and the DPW Spokesman said at that meeting said that a meeting scheduled for 5 30 that day had been cancelled by the city I emailed Alderman bulk and Alderman Gisha on September 2nd Asking them if DPW had agreed to give up the one and a half percent pay increase and agreed to co-payments on their health insurance Alderman bulk responded on September 3rd that Alderman Gisha was not on the labor negotiations team That I had received less than half the story and that the issue was better explained over the phone I am still waiting for Alderman bulk to call me and explain the rest of the story And so I wonder where the truth lies The public has a right to know Former mayor Susha spoke a couple of weeks ago about the problems the SCTA Would you like an additional minute, please former mayor Susha spoke a couple of weeks ago about the problems the SCTA was having and getting information Alderman born Alderman Gisha and Alderman Clayunas are always very thorough and Answering my questions and concerns But sometimes it seems that some elected representatives and department heads Do not recognize the public's right to know I am concerned when there seems to be an effort to withhold information To avoid I believe being subjected to further questions or criticism Recently I heard either the mayor or an alderman talk about the need for transparency I hope that will be the reality going forward Thank you. Thank you Thank you again for speaking Dulce mayor's announcements on a Sad note this evening. I'm sure we all recognize that alderman Tom Bowers is not here this evening He fell ill Saturday afternoon and went to a local hospital at which time they he was flown by a flight for life down to Milwaukee He did go through a medical procedure Saturday evening and the prognosis is good and according to mrs. Bowers She hopes he will be back in Sheboygan within days So our thoughts and prayers are with him and that is why he's not here this evening So just think of think of alderman Bowers On a brighter note This Friday, September 25th at 7 30 p.m. There is a benefit for the Wisconsin Naval or the Naval Museum and Education Center of Sheboygan Which is going to be at the Weill Center John McGeverne is going to be doing his Neighborhood Tales show which is is entertaining to say the least John McGivers on WKLH Usually a couple times a week has been in numerous Productions in Milwaukee and nationwide for that matter Cost on this is $25 and it goes to benefit The the future Naval Museum in Sheboygan So if all of us can a can attend that it would be a great thing to do begins at 7 30 p.m. At the Weill Center you can pre pre pay for tickets or buy them at the door if they are available Normally his shows do sell out so if people are interested in going I believe I'll be there myself That is this Friday, September 25th 7 30 p.m. At the Weill Center should be a good show So he's always he's always entertaining One of the funniest guys I've seen so it should be a good show That's all I have for Mayors announcements Consent agenda we have 12-1 through 12 24 President board Thank You, Mayor Ryan I make a motion to accept and file all our O's and accept and adopt all our C's and pass all ordinances And resolutions Have a motion in a second under discussion Alderman Boak. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd ask that we deal with 12 23 separately Okay, we're looking to deal with 12 23 separately You want to do that first is it um if we can then have we have our motion for 12-1 through 12 24 excluding 12 23 sure under discussion on those No discussion We do mm-hmm roll call Boak. Hi, Decker, Gisha, Hannah Heidemann, Koth, Kittleson, Clayunas, Rinfleshe, Sirich, Vanderwheel, Vu, Wonkman, and Boren. I 15 ayes Motion carries now on 12 23 Alderman Boak. Thank you, Mr. Mayor I just want to under discussion mention that it's not often a government-created body moves to shut itself down So I'm really excited that the Water Safety Task Force did that as well But I'm also very proud of the work that the Water Safety Task Force did while it was operating Director Bittner I want to give a huge shout out to director Bittner who did a great job of keeping your the group focused and Administering the task force. It was a thankless job. It was sometimes like herding cats But he kept us focused on the things we could do and not just the things we wish we could have done As a news item the variable message board is is here and ready to be installed some of the things some of The other things that were done there were signage that was put up both at the beach and As you approach the beach there were four emergency phones put up to drive Drive instant response to that should there have been another near drowning incident and there were Countless rings put up at several locations along the beach on the north side and the south side So those are some of the things things took a little longer than we expected The variable message sign will be going in soon as we get into the late season But it's high surfing season. So we have that to look forward to Some of the the successes are the combined efforts of the Sheboygan fire department the Sheboygan police department Certainly the public works department the US Coast Guard was involved at every meeting former lifeguards from the community The surfing community was deeply involved in the production of the video and identifying the most dangerous points in town The Park District people from that were involved the sport fishing community again because they know the water So well along the coast I'd like to again extend our thanks to the Jacobs and Ross agency who produced the five-minute commercial that's been running around About water safety and there were some concerned citizens that showed up from time to time to voice their concerns So again that the water safety task force is recommending that it be dissolved because it's accomplished the goals It was challenged with and I would suggest we pass this So we have a we have a motion on 12 23 Motion to put apart put it upon its passage the RC We have a motion to second on 12 23 any further discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed 12 23 communications and petitions 12 dash 25 to be referred Reports of officers to 12 dash 26 by the city clerk Submitting it as a matter of record and ecology directory sharing earth-friendly happenings in Sheboygan and Sheboygan County regarding recycling and safe disposal earth-friendly services environmental projects and community ecology wishes compiled by Rich and Joyce Jordan and we have a motion to accept and file We have a motion in a second under discussion And just like I'd like just like to thank rich and Joyce for this work This is a came out of the study group the net on the natural step, which is a book which the Sustainable Sheboygan task force also studied and they were a secondary group that studied the book with John Hills their teacher and This is one of their dreams was to produce this this document to be used in the in the neighbor in the Community as a resource, so I really appreciate their time and their dedication to this effort. Thank you G President born Thank You Mary, and I just want to second what all their person clay on us mentioned and also But there'd be possible to get this on the city's website because this is really useful stuff We can do that. Thank you. Thank you Any further discussion All in favor say aye. Aye Opposed motion carries 12-27 by the city plan commission recommender Recommending authorizing the sale of city owned property at 1116 Huron Avenue known as the Little Red Schoolhouse with various conditions Looking for a motion Alderman hand Well, thank you, mr. Mayor. I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage In the we have accepted and filed and the ROB accepted the ROB accepted the file We have a motion in a second under discussion May I say I'm a little red schoolhouse? The city has owned this building for many many many years, and it's been vacant for many years We did have a nonprofit group By this building For so our asking price and they have also agreed that it is going to revert to the city tax rolls So even though they are a nonprofit they are going to be paying property taxes on it So it's a it's a good thing for the taxpayers Any further discussion? attorney McLean just for clarification is the The resolution is that with the conditions that the point commission is recommending also Says with various conditions. Thank you attorney McLean any further discussion You have a roll call please Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Cotte Kittleson Clowness Montemayor Rinfleshe Cirque van der Wiel Voo Wongamang Boran and Bulk 15 eyes motion carries 12-28. We are going to hold for 12-34 12-29 through 12-33 will be referred 12-34 Resolutions introduced 3 12-34 By Alderman Alderperson Kittleson authorizing entering into a contract for the North 6th Street flood mitigation project Alderperson Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules on this Because of the grant money that's involved we need to keep this project going we have a motion to suspend And we have a second under discussion on the suspension No discussion on the suspension only all in favor say aye opposed Motion carries to suspend the rules Okay, thank you Then we'll need a we're going to amend the resolution however We need a motion to put the resolution upon its passage first So I'd ask for that motion, please we have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under under discussion We are going to be amending this resolution because the project is being funded from two different source funding sources and If you need further explanation, I'd open the floor up to Chad Peleshev to explain what what we are doing here Anybody like Wait, we need to motion first we okay We need to read the resolution or to read the motion. Yes to motion to amend to Okay, we need to amend We're amending 12-34 Do you have a chain I do not I can read it if you want thank you after the account number in the last paragraph to add in the amount of 293,489 dollars and 63 cents and 2009 CDBG entitlement flood mitigation account number 209 3 3 1 5 0-6 3 1 500 in the amount of 97,829 point eighty eight Everybody get that Thanks Chad Any discussion on the amendment would anybody like to hear an explanation from Chad Peleshev from Nobody wants to hear Chad Okay Alderperson clients What Chad can speak I also wanted to just this is the final stage of this whole project. This is this is like yes Paving the streets. Okay. No, no, this is this is a different project. Okay. All right. Yeah, that's why we open the floor to We do we have a second on the amendment. Yeah, we have a second on the amendment Director Paul at Enders. Thank you What this is is it's a grant that the city applied for? Chad Peleshev wrote the grant and it was a it was the flood monies when Sheboygan County was hit with the flooding There was money that was available and this North 6th Street is actually about I think about 800 feet It's a small section of North Street just north of where we're working right now And it's so it's a completely separate project But it ties into that flood mitigation that we're just wrapping up on 5th and 6th So we're funding it in part with this the money from the state and then also We had to match locally and we were able to use our CDBG entitlement to do that so we're basically state and federal money to do this project to Correct the problems on 6th Street Yes, yes, and it's it's strictly timing why these two projects didn't go together Unfortunately, we're just about to open up 6th Street two blocks down the road And we're going to close it two blocks up the road But we had to wait for the funding to come through and the funding is just coming through now. So that's And for a person that lives on 6th Street, you know, I I feel your pain. So thank you Paul it So we have a motion to amend We need okay on the motion to amend all in favor opposed Past as amended. No, no, we need a motion now. We need a motion to pass the resolution As amended we need to have asked for a motion to pass the resolution as amended, please Alderman Rindflesch and I ask that the alderman add in With the RO deal with the RO as well. Oh, yes the RO 12-28 Okay, so we have a motion and a second to pass as the resolution and the RO as amended Roll call, please Gisha Hannah Heidemann Excuse me, cut Kittleson Clowness Montmiora Rindflesch sir Vanderwheel Vue Wankerman Warren Bulk and Decker 15 eyes motion carries 12-35 through 12-37 lies over To be referred 12-38 through 12-45 and if we may note on 12-40 that is going to finance and also The redevelopment authority so 12-40 also goes to the redevelopment authority reports of committees number seven 12-46 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 8364 based on his oral withdrawal of the license application president boron Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in the second under discussion under discussion. Mayor is Kevin M. Wade here tonight. He's not here mayor Mr. Wade Contacted me before by telephone prior to our last law and licensing meeting and said that he was not going to appear as Invited because he no longer needed the beverage operators license So we denied it based on his oral withdrawal for the license very good any further discussion And we have a roll call please Hannah Heidemann cut Kittleson clay unis Montemay or Rindfleisch sir Vanderweel Voo Wankerman Boran I bulk Decker and Gisha 15 eyes motion carries 12-47 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 8363 based on her record of violations related to the license activity and her status as an habitual law violator President boron Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in the second under discussion under discussion. Mayor is Tanya L. Neesing here tonight She's not here mayor very good miss Neesing appeared before our committee at our last meeting and After listening to her comments We recommended that the license be denied for the reasons that you just stated Any further discussion no further discussion may we have a roll call, please Heidemann cut Kittleson clay unis Montemay or Rindfleisch sir Vanderweel Voo Wankerman Boran I bulk Decker Gisha and Hannah 15 eyes motion carries 12-48 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 8358 based on his failure to include all relevant convictions on the application His record of violations related to the license activity and his status as an habitual law violator President boran. Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Have a motion in the second under discussion under discussion. Mayor is Jeffrey J. Shootie here tonight He's not here mayor very good Mr.. Before the committee at our last meeting and that after listening to his comments The committee unanimously voted to deny the license based on the reasons you stated previously any further discussion No further discussion roll call, please Kittleson clay unis Montemay or Rindfleisch sir Vanderweel Voo Wankerman boran I bulk Decker Gisha Hannah and Heidemann 15 eyes motion carries 12-49 and 12-50 will be referred Reports of committees 8 12-51 by finance authoring a transfer of appropriations in the 2009 budget Establishing revenue and appropriation for donation received for police canine Vice president Gisha Thank You your honor I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted if I may your honor we had a an Individual who I'm not sure at this point whether it was anonymous or non-anonymous Donate the money for not just the actual animal, but for the For the training of this animal and To have the Allow us to establish a second canine unit which would be Used for second and third shift right now. We got one person who gets called out all the time That facilitated the need for For a special vehicle canine vehicles are different which are the price tag of About twenty four thousand dollars. I think and we did not have that as a budgeted item I think Alderman Hannah has some words to to say regarding that and how that was creatively Handled by the chief and by the department Alderman Gisha, could you add the resolution to be passed also and I would also like to ask that the Tonight and that the resolution be put upon its passage. Thank you We need a second on that Motion the second and the third Thank you very much, mr. Mayor. I just wanted to comment on a couple things that the Back in the days when I served on the school board. I know how effective the police dog was And what a welcome it did so police force and how effective it was in both south and north high And I just think it's wonderful That officer and the canine were stretched pretty thin and this really Let's at second and third shift Become much more effective the police police department led by my chief iraq Was creative and coming up with the budget dollars I'm a soon synonymous donor But we want to thank the anonymous donor from black river Being so generous in this donation And if I may add this person I Don't think I would break his heart if I made him a not an anonymous donor Basically Fritz Romer my counterpart in black river also known as the mayor of black river Is the person that is generally generally generously donated This canine canine and the training to the citizens of Sheboygan Fritz is very instrumental With the neighbors against drugs program. You know a lot of the billboards you see around town, etc Our courtesy of fritz Romer. So if you see fritz Thank him anonymously I guess But no he's he does a lot for for the cause and he's a great man on top of it So I think for it's and I hope everybody else does too Vice-president kisha just to continue this. Thank you Session it is worthwhile to also note that chief iraq facilitated the entire cost of that vehicle through the remaining dollars from the dare program or is it the mad program one of those it was the dare program He had to get go through channels and get Approval from his some county counterparts who held that money and trust He facilitated that so not only is the dog and the training And the new dog available to us will be available to our citizens, but this vehicle that we described Earlier will be 100% free to the taxpayers of the citizens. Thanks to his and his counterparts efforts. So thank you And thank you chief iraq any further discussion No further discussion roll call, please kittlesons. I claim is montemay or Rinflesh suric van der wheel Wongamon boran Falk Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann and cut 15 on motion carries 12-52 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2009 budget establishing revenue and appropriation for American Recovery and Reinvestment Act for transit buses and vehicles All the person want to me are thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt the RC and the resolution be put upon its passage Second have a motion in a second under discussion. We're getting some stimulus money to sheboygan. Thank you Thank you any further discussion Vice president kisha Thank you your honor My name was one of the ones originally on this and some companion documents I wrote a letter to the Transit Commission into this council and to sue to remove my name from that document for some very specific reasons We all understand that Need for a transit system in the city of sheboygan. I think it's also fairly clear at this juncture with Riders and revenues and so forth that we need to take a look at how we deliver transit in sheboygan By adding these buses based on so-called free money Would just perpetuate more of the same and I think dilute the opportunity for us to take a look at a variety of different Options within our transit department to deliver a higher quality of service to the taxpayers I think the trend to be clear. I think the transit department is doing a lot with what they have but But the director transit director McDonald has been very clear that has funding diminishes and it will Service diminishes as service diminishes ridership diminishes the transit does not is not efficient for the riders as We as budget shrink budgets have shrunk for transit for a number of years leveled off for some and The result is a service that that is strangling itself based on The way they currently operate I Feel that by by adding five more Pardon me five more low floor tall floor, whatever. They're the big buses Is is a mistake and I think we need an opportunity here to And I'm hoping to use that opportunity to get the discussion started about the many different opportunities. We have to deliver this service certainly 20% of the transit budget only comes from the general fund of the city of shabuagan and therefore from the taxpayers Directly from the city of shabuagan the rest comes from state and federal dollars. However This the part from the city is about seven hundred fifty thousand dollars I think we can we can leverage that money save money and yet provide a better service But by continuing to put more of the same out there The opportunity goes away to do that so I'm hoping that this is an opportunity for us to say We need to look at this I don't think anybody would disagree that we need to look at this and we need to maybe Put a little not necessarily line the same but a challenge to the transit commission of which I'm a member to say What are our other options to actually increase service? I'm not trying to stop a transit system I don't think anybody else who will speak on this wishes to stop a trend that our transit service We actually feel that by stopping this it will maintain a transit system because if we keep strangling the budget it will be so Incredibly inconvenient to get from one side of the city to the other at a cost of about two bucks and take you about an hour That it will not be a viable Option for anyone. Why would you want to use that? So I've had my name removed from this and the other companion items And I will not be voting for it for that reason The only other note I will make is that the two million dollars is not two million dollars We have never paid dollar for dollar for a single city bus in the city of Sheboygan the entire history of the transit operation What it is is about a four hundred thousand dollar gift because we pay twenty percent of every bill with transit out of general fund revenues So I find that to be a little and it's not the transit commission's fault It's state and federal fault like to come in right in their horse and sheboygan say look at I got to two million dollars That's just a flat out falsehood and So to clarify that to clarify why my name which and would like to be off this that thank you And if I may add You know the the dealing with with transit and and and when we're dealing with State and federal money coming into transit What what the state and feds do is they match what we have it's not that we match what they give us It's not that if they give us a $100 we match 200 it's if we have 200 they match 800 so for every dollar that we cut going into transit they cut You know for every $2 they cut $8. So it's it's kind of a double-edged sword out there on the whole thing And then it is self-perpetuating but Alderman Hannah well, thank you, mr. Man, and I and I too also hope that we'll take it as an opportunity to look at a better way to deliver transit Increase ridership because right now the way we deliver it. I hear from constituents on this topic more than any topic They see an awful lot of buses driving around with not a whole lot of passengers on there And we need to figure out as a as a transit commission And as the management team at transit a way to deliver a service that increases ridership Gets people to where they need to be a more convenient time And I just hope that this is kind of wake up because you're absolutely right mayor. It's it's a double-edged sword You know, it's it's free money with a catch and at the same time It's an unfunded mandate because you're on the hook for maintenance and you're on the hook for staffing So I hope I hope we use it as an opportunity to revisit how we're delivering the services Thank You're Alderman Hannah Alderman Waterman Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I applaud Alderman Gisha's stand on this. I think it's time that the council takes a long hard look at the transit System and how we can better perform a more efficient job And he certainly is correct that if we just keep funding No vehicles and keep on the same old path. We're never going to make a really more efficient system And there's no doubt that We need a transit system in this city, but I doubt if there's an alderman or a person in this room Who as Alderman Hannah said hasn't received complaints from people and they say, you know How long is this going to continue that we send empty buses umbering around the city? So I took Vote no on this document. Thank you. Alderman Lagerman Alderman Bout I Will join this conversation as well It is of the two and a half years that I've been an alderman It is the most consistent topic ambulances come and go and all kinds of issues come and go But this issue has been consistent That people look at the buses whether it's morning noon or night. I hear from joggers I hear from bike riders I hear from shift workers that are on the road at odd hour I hear people that are on at peak times at eight in the morning and five o'clock at night And they say what in the world are we doing with these multi-wheeled? ginormous buses with one person on them and most of the time empty and It seems like a balm to that to say well 80% of it's from the feds so it's not quite as bad as it seems and No, the truth is it's as bad as it seems because guess what there's no such thing as free money this money This 80% guess what that's your money, too The Washington is sending in and if you pay any money to Madison guess what that's your money, too And so the time has finally come and I'm very pleased that Alderman Gisha and Alderman Hannah are showing some leadership on this That it's time to say stop. There's got to be a better solution. No one is saying we shouldn't have a vibrant Transit system in this city. There's got to be a better way to get from point A to point B Then get it waiting for a bus getting on a bus going to a hub in a small town like ours Waiting at that hub for the next bus getting on a second bus and going to where you want to go and then walk to your final Destination it's got to be a better way for that in a town of fifty thousand now the people that ride the buses I heard this when I was running for my my first campaign heard from the people the people who need the buses They really need the buses. They have fewer options than anybody else We need a transit system, but it is time for that transit system to be different than it's ever been before and if We approve these five buses There's no motivation for them to think differently. The system is uniquely designed right now to get the results It's currently getting and if we want different results, we need a different system. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Thank you Alderman Bow. Alderperson Montemayor Thank you again, Mr. Mayor this stimulus money if you remember what the stimulus money is this for is to Put people to work. So the factory that's manufacturing the buses Those people will be working and we can receive the buses now Those the money will be used at that factory to make those buses. We can receive the buses That stimulus money is the money we paid for taxes We can send our stimulus money that will come to us to some other community. I say we should bring it to Sheboygan Thank you Alderperson Montemayor Alderperson Kittleson are you You know what one thing I think we need to look at here without trying to sway opinion one way or the other I don't disagree. Yeah, we need to look at something different in the future But the question is if we do pass up This so-called opportunity here to receive five buses. Are we ready? Are we prepared? Infrastructurally are we prepared? Basically monetarily To to take that alternative route and and I think we have to ask each other You know ask that of everybody asked asked asked that of themselves if we do pass up this opportunity to receive Five buses are we prepared? To have the answer That's all I have to say Alderperson Clioness Thank You mayor. I agree with what you said and I think We buy these buses they can be traded in if we have a marvelous new plan That can serve the city better these buses will be useful as a trade into other cities that have need of large buses I've been told that transit is running buses that are really way beyond their life And then if we don't get them replaced will have nothing very soon or buses breaking down on their routes So in the name of people who use the buses I'm very excited if we can have a new plan I Just hope that the men who are on this committee will work at that and give us some suggestions And I'd be very happy to hear them at this point I think the need is there and for the sake of citizens who have no choice I'm going to vote yes Thank You all the person Clioness Any further discussion? No further discussion roll call, please Clioness I'm sorry. Do you all know what you're voting? And I means we're going to take the free buses the I means we yes, okay Thank you, Montemay or Rinfleshe Zurich Vanderweel Voo Wonkerman Boran, no bulk Decker Gisha no Hanna no Heidemann no Cough and Kittleson eight eyes seven nose Turning McLean Yes, this document is a budget transfer Resolution that requires a two-thirds vote or requires two-thirds vote Motion fails. Yeah, thank you Moving on 12-53 Yes 16 right not just who happens to be here is it just two-thirds I think two-thirds of the Thirds of all the members motion still fails 12-53 By finance recommending authorizing entering into contract for the purchase Is this what I just went through No, this is the company is the companion document by finance recommending authorizing entering into contract for the purchase of Five low-floor buses along with miscellaneous equipment and parts hundred percent funded through the a a r r a second We have a motion to file in a second under discussion The roll call please Montemay or Rinflesh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Siric Vanderweel Voo Wongamon Boran Falk. Hi Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Cough Kittleson Clowness 11 eyes for nose Motion to file carries Matters laid over 11-44 Resolution number 71-09-10 by Alderperson Kittleson Authorizing entering into contract for the purchase of construction equipment Including two articulated wheel loaders less trade and one rubber tire excavator less trade for the motor vehicle Division Alderperson Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I like to ask for a motion to put the resolution upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion under discussion You can see that the funding for the above items are included in the 2009 budget And the equipment to be replaced and traded requires repairs exceeding $56,000 and the economic conditions have resulted in the receipt of bids that are considerably less than the budgeted amount So it's a good thing to do Thank you Alderperson Kittleson. Thank you President Boran Thank You Ryan. I would like to ask Mr. Bittner a question if he could step forward on this Bill if I was wondering if you could tell me if if the department was to spend to spend the $56,000 for repair How much useful life that would give the equipment in lieu of purchase? The numbers that were quoted here come from our maintenance department and their things that The department is aware that needs to be fixed on this equipment The equipment as if you think more in terms of an old junk or car It's not fixed because you fixed what's broke It's still in some cases a 17 year old or a 15 year old piece of equipment And this is not the numbers that are here are not a refurbishing of that piece of equipment It's just things we know that have to be replaced at the current time. So I'm not sure I could suggest that Trying to refurbish this equipment or try to simply repair this equipment is a wise investment There are times a heavy equipment like this when you see equipment in the eight and nine a Ten-year-old range that makes a lot of sense to say give it a rehab go through everything You know spend twenty thirty thousand dollars. I don't think any of these three pieces are Gonna ask bill How often are these pieces of equipment used are these used summer time and winter time this this is The front end loaders are primary piece. They're major snow equipment and their major construction They move material that's moving salt move asphalt if we want to pave. It's moving dirt if we want to mill the road it's it's and the Back or what we call the excavator is what you dig with so any repairs you do out of the street is done with So these are what you call bread and butter pieces of ours. Thank you Any further questions for director bit more? Thanks, Bill We have a motion in a second any further discussion no further discussion roll call, please Rinflesh Sir, I want I'm sorry Vander wheel Voo Wongamon Warren Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Koth Kittleson Clayunas and Montemay or 13 eyes to nose motion carries 11-35 our number 186-09-10 by the purchasing agent submitting bids for the purchase of one motor vehicle division rubber tire excavator less trade all the person Kittleson Thank You mirror. I'd make a motion to put the Resolution the arrow the arrow just file it except in file Except in file to accept and file the arrow They have a motion in a second under discussion Alderman Rinflesh Or sake of time. I ask we take 1136 at the same time They will take 1136 with 1135 if nobody disagrees under discussion any Discussion roll call, please All in favor say aye opposed Motion carries 11-58 General warden on ordinance number 15-09-10 by alderman boran Amending section 2-112 of the municipal code so as to change the date of the first regular meeting of the common council on October 2009 from the first Monday to the first Tuesday of the month President boran Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage. We have a motion and a second under discussion Have All the person not to mayor Thank You, Mr. Mayor. Well, I was told that we want to do this because of the football game So heedless to say I said I can't believe it. I mean we do this for federal holidays That's true. We haven't done it for the olympics or a popes funeral or an inauguration I can't imagine we're going to do this for a football game I mean social engagements are important. That's true And certainly people can if they have the tickets to that football game go ahead and go but I can't imagine that we would change a council meeting for that and Alderman I mean attorney McLean This doesn't involve a Charter Charter ordinance change does it? No, it's not a charter ordinance. It's a general ordinance change that it's up to the council. Thank you Thank you all the person not to mayor all the person clients Just just a question do the Packers always play on the first? Monday in October on Monday night football is that why this is also No, they don't this is strictly. I believe for this year in October 2009 changing it for this year not that's not for October 2010 and the Packers don't normally I Shouldn't say don't normally but wouldn't usually play in the first Monday in October and they wouldn't usually play Brett Farve in the Minnesota Vikings on the first Monday in October That would happen to fall on a council night So, you know the question is is this a social engagement or is this you know part of the fabric of our society? That we would actually postpone a very important council meeting by 24 hours in order to watch the Green Bay Packers And that's the question we have to ask ourselves Alderman ring flesh Hey, mr. Mayor, I Will be definitely Using my DVD recorder for the game and hopefully no one gives me the answer But I've been saying that we do need to take our responsibilities as a council seriously Both following act rules of decorum within the council Towards relationships towards working with each other How we talk to each other what we do also though It is a serious work that we do here and I will not be voting to move it for the packer game Even though it's gonna kill me no game is not in the same time, but I think it's it's far more important that we follow you know the standards that we that our Four fathers have said to who's sitting in this council change I don't think they would have moved it for for something like that as well So now I will not be supporting it And if we have earplugs and blinders Who's ahead by the time we start watching Any further discussion President for it Thank You, Mayor Ryan It's been said that the council meetings have better ratings than Monday night football And this meeting that we are going to have the first week of October whether it be on Monday or Tuesday Just so happens that it is going to be a very important meeting because what it's going to come out of the committee of The whole tomorrow night is our discussion on how we move forward with the 2010 budget and speaking about Transparency, I think it's going to be a very important discussion on whether we have it on Monday or Tuesday night I would like to see as many people watch this on Tuesday night This is a very important discussion that we're going to have on this on this budget for 2010 And also, I think there possibly will be a few more people here to speak at the public forum on Possibly giving the council its marching orders or some suggestions for the 2010 budget. So For that reason, I think it's a wise decision to hold it off one night The it's not going to be the end of the world that we postpone it one night and have it on that Tuesday night for those reasons Thank you. Thank you president board Alderman bow. Thank you, miss mayor I'd just like to know if Dolce is a football fan and if she's a football fan. I want to have the meeting Monday night Thank You Alderman bow Alder person not to mayor. Thank you again, mr. Mayor. I Think lots of people should be here for the first meeting in October Yes, and by the way Packers do play on Monday nights off that that over the years that has happened quite often If it's on Tuesday night I'll need to be excused because I scheduled to teach a class on a night that I did not have a municipal duty Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Alder person not to me are Alder person kiddleson. Thank you mayor and just to add to that I believe if people are you know are going to be absent from the meeting We do have an order of things here in the council that people are able to conduct meetings And and conduct our business with you know with those of those of us who are here Very good any further discussion So we do a roll call. Let's do a roll call on that place. No, let's just do it No, let's do a roll call. Yes, and everybody know what we're voting on I vote will be to change it. Okay, sir Excuse me I need clear voices here. Come on. Was it an eye? Thank you Vanderwheel Voo Wangeman Boran Boke Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Cough Kittleson. No Clowness. No Montemayor. No Rin Flesch No, no Eight to seven eight to seven on the I'm changing the eyes have it then and all their person Montemayor is excused on Tuesday Anybody else want to be excused right away? All right. We're good The eyes have it motion carries Other matters authorized by law 12-54 an arrow by the city clerk Submitting a communication as a matter of records from the Public Service Commission of Wisconsin regarding the 715 and 920 area codes that are expected to exhaust Within the next two to three years and what possible solutions are being investigated We have a motion to file in a second Under discussion all in favor say aye Opposed motion carries 12-55 through 12-57 to be referred Any other matters authorized by law attorney McLean? We have 12-58 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2010 and June 30 2011 Is that does that lie over? Well, that's to be referred to law and licensing Motion to adjourn you have a motion to adjourn in a second all in favor say aye opposed We are adjourned