 Ecotourism in Rwanda, and I think in the whole region, because we share the gorillas, the mountain gorillas with Uganda and Congo, ecotourism has a long history, and ecotourism came as a way of trying to improve the loveliness of the people so that the people could understand the value of the forest and the mountain gorillas and its habitat. Ecotourism has gone a long way. They used to have ecotourism with all the income for the government, and since several years now, we include what we call a revenue sharing benefit, which means that all the income generated by the ecotourism should be brought back to the communities. So certain percentage were affected to the community to improve the loveliness, to build and to solve their problems so that the people could not have to rely on natural resources in a park. Actually, presently we are giving 5% of the total income of ecotourism, and the mountain gorillas visit are for about 97% of the total income of the revenue sharing by ecotourism and tourism in Rwanda. A workshop of exchanging with a different expert on mountain gorillas' behavior, tourism, ecotourism, the good part of it was the fact that we went in the field, talked with the people, lived realities and discussed about how appropriate we can probably do ecotourism according to the reality of each of the countries, each of the species. I really like very much the way that we share with not only ecotourism in Africa but the reality in Southeast Asia with the orangutans. And of course I learned a lot from how the challenges are different from what we have in Africa versus to what we have been hearing from our community here in Indonesia. I think that there is a way of improving what can be charged, and I think by the demand and by the quality of services there is a way of making it exclusive. Because what we can do is eventually make it a low volume with limited people that can visit it but putting the price at a high price. I think the wonderful thing is that I've seen orangutans in the zoo but for the first time seeing an orangutan in his natural habitat was something exceptional. And that's when I think that yes I can pay the price because even myself being in a zoo with orangutans, having worked with them in the zoos, finding them in a natural habitat is something exceptional. It's a unique experience and I used to hear from people coming to visit gorillas that you know mountain gorillas is the best experience in my life. Today I can say yes it's one of the most wonderful experiences that I can talk on a wildlife visit.