 Like Charlie Bronson's a good friend of mine, I've known Charlie for a long time. The system made Charlie Bronson. The Bronson is the system. That's his mum and dad. They lock him in cages, treat him like an animal. I know he's got a bad temporal record, but underneath all that, he's a nice person, Charlie Bronson. He does all his art. He's never killed anyone, he's still banged up now. And this is going on. I've got loads of mates who are still in there now. But my Cody friend, he's never come in home, right? And he's got these other kids, outrageous murders like kids and things like that. And they treat people more like me, who's after a few quids. A lot worse than what they do to a child if they want to bang us up when they lock me up, you know? There's been the feels out there just getting six months, the third sentence, 18 months and they're doing some nasty shit. Do you know what I mean? But again, the system is flawed. There's a fault in it. It's set up to fail. What was Charlie Bronson like then? How's he still in good contact? It was a funny story. We were in Franklin's and there's only got 10 cockney eyes. He's turned up there. Can you know what? He just fucking shut the gate of his hand. And we were like, what? But really? So they don't do things like that, mate. And then the geezer turns up, I'm standing with a fella and he walks out and sees the graphs. Well, I knew him from, I knew him. They were strapping bombs to security guards, right? I knew all about it because people would come from my area. Most armed robbers were sort of brought up in the area because you know where they are. Like, if you watch a film called Town, Boston was the main thing for armed robbers. Canningtown in Stratford was a breeding ground for people like me, you know? And so anyway, it calls him a grass. So I swear to God, I'll sweep the geezer's legs, kick the geezer's legs, knock him out on the floor. So Bronson went, fucking help it, why did I fucking kick that? I went, yeah. All the screws come out. We were in Franklin prison. And they were trying to take me off the yard, right? So they'd come walking over. I went, we're coming in. So me and Bronson were all about, so the cockney eyes were fucked. We had to have it off all the screws. So we had a big punch out of the screws. They've run, they've run, they've run. All the screws have run, started locking the cells in the blocks now. So they go, right, let's take the jail over. But never, never, ever happened in Franklin before. So I said, fuck me, I'll start this off, I'll get another 10 here, right? So I was going to come, let's just say, lock the cells. Anyway, it all gets calmed down, then it goes off again. And then Bronson's involved with it again anyways. So they put me down the block. So they said, right, if you don't come out of the block, don't get him out of the block. We're going to smash your jail up, right? So anyway, so they give in. So this is the funny story. They said, right, we want to hear what you want to say about cockney eyes or cockney double eyes. He said, we want to hear what you said. So there's going to be three governors, bring three inmates and we'll sit down and stop the beatings and all that's what we wanted, right? So he goes into the governor's office. There's a governor sitting there, a governor sitting there. Governor's sitting there. I was with Nicky Dumford at the time. So we walked through there. He's another category A. So I said, right, what do you want? All of a sudden the door goes bang, the door flicks open. And I like joking. He's standing, bollock-naking, big pair of boots on. He had a flissin' tube off at the night. And he went to the governor's door. And I like joking. Then three governors sat there like that. They sounded like Tom and Jerry. They went, they slept through the things like that. And that was Charlie Brunson. He was just like a fucking character. Yeah, because he only got jailed for a robbery at the time. Now he's over 30 years. Yeah, and he's still in there. I mean, there's loads of people in there like him. Do you think he'll ever get out? I hope he does. He's a nice bloke. I hope he does. There's loads of people like Paul Glenn. He should be released. He's my Cody friend. He never killed that person. Yeah.